Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S5 E15 | Fear The Walking Dead

Episode Date: September 23, 2019

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TITLED:  CHANNEL 5 This is Talking Fear… With myself Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB When Virginia makes a statement, Al responds in kind; facing dire circumstances, June leads the search for a new place to call home; with Grace's condition worsening, Morgan makes a tough call. Listen each week as we discuss the episode and look ahead to what the future may hold… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 5, episode 15, Fear the Walking Dead, titled Channel 5. That makes this, Talking Fear. Talking Fear, that is, with myself, Jeff Fisher and Jason Butchrell. Episode description on the old IMDB, when Virginia makes a statement. Al responds in kind, facing dire circumstances. June leads the search for a new place to call home. With Grace's condition worsening, Morgan makes a tough call. Hi Jason, how you doing?

Why, hello there. Good to see you. I have a feeling we're not going to agree on this. I don't know. I don't know. I just, the beginning of the show was, you know, making the recruiting tape from Virginia. Al all wound up that it was a lie and not the truth.

Okay. Okay. So right there. This episode in a nutshell was exactly like the rest of the season, which I could say for every episode, which was I enjoyed what was. I enjoyed what was going on, but the stupid things that were injected into it

made it almost unwatchable. But I enjoyed what was going on. Yeah. Can you agree with that? Yeah, I guess. Kind of. Except there were a few points when I, you know, I talked about last week I just make

showdown, rundown notes on my phone as I'm watching the show. So I just remember the episode when I look at the notes. And after making of the tapes, which is about a quarter of the way down. I wrote, I about walked away here. See, that's the problem with this show is that those stupid things really do make you. Like, I was a major eye roll moment right there. I was like, oh, come on.

They're really that been out of shape. Oh, they want to make a rival documentary. And oh, that's what I do. Right. Like, shut out. Okay. Come on. That's dumb.

And, you know, I know that we had the, you know, we had the tapes and how hard it is. and the one tankie of gas and the brother and sister reunion and we're going to keep painting the trees and we've got John and June struggling because they still want to get married or at least John does. And we have the rabbi and we have the artist that is all hot now for what's her face painting on the trees

and wants to paint with her. Yeah, okay. Air quoted. We're going to do a lot of paint. You aren't lying. A lot of that painting going on. Under the tree. I mean, okay.

And we had, when you go down the show, we called it. They were going to go to find the other humbug's gulch. Okay. We called that. I knew it. The only thing we don't know is we haven't, which we called, by the way. And we'll find out that that's where. Virginia's from.

Guaranteed next week we find out that's where she's from. That would be a huge freaking Nostradamus moment. And I think that's all you, I believe. Guaranteed. That's all you on that. Absolutely has to happen. The reason why, so I didn't, I wasn't buying into the whole going to one of those places

because I was like, do you just think about the narrative? We, the cosplayers, we want to outdo the cosplayers. So how do you do the, do you go to cosplay land? and then you won up the cosplay. Yeah, you sure do. It's so ridiculously dumb. Only Fear the Walking Dead could pull it off. They do.

They're doing it. They do. Oh, my gosh. It didn't happen this week that I thought would happen is that Grace would die. Yeah. I thought Grace would die to have, but it's close. You thought she was dead. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was it. But apparently, you know, you get to find a couple of intervenious bags of water and, you know, you're good and you can walk 100 miles. Yeah. And those would be littered all over the zombie apocalypse wastelands. Absolutely. You find those all over the place.

You find that you trip over them today. So you can imagine how numerous they are then. I mean, dude, shaw. We saw, we did see, which I, thank you, at least Daniel said on tape, I want to stay at the mall, take everything we could out of the mall. Uh, duh, do you think? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But I liked the, so the, let me stop hitting on it, rag on it for a second. I liked that I actually don't mind some of the videotape footage. I kind of, I like the found footage type thing. It was just that they were trying to one up on a documentary like, you know, that's what we do. You know,

we'll do it better. Shut up. That's what made it stupid. But I like the kind of like found footage look. I like the fact that, you know, they made a big deal about June still trying to find, you know, a place. And she's like kind of just, they're going off of faith, you know. There's a good moment

with the rabbi where, you know, you're Faith has brought you this far. Right. You got to go with it. Keep following it. So I like, in these types, in zombie movies, I like scavenging. Like, that's what you do. They did some of that.

Right. You know, moving from place to place, trying to find something. They're doing that. So at least, again, if you're just looking at it without thinking about the overall, the overall plot, you're like, yeah, this is part for the course for like a zombie flick. I'm in, I'm into it. Yeah. I like it.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. And I could have watched it without knowing any of the plot, I'm, watching it and I'm like I think I'll continue watching this show seriously and I don't understand speaking of with the group as we circle the wagons and they're trying to decide what they're going to do and they're getting short on supplies and they've got to head out and figure out where they're going to go and what they're going to do and how they're going to feed everyone and then uh uh the only way we can find and know that the original humbug's gulch is close by is that

they get a breach from a walker. First, I want to shoot the person that built the fence over there that had the bridge. That person is dead. You're no longer part of our group. Sorry. Exile. Yeah, you're done. Goodbye.

You know what? You're right. I don't want to kill you. Leave. Yeah. Good luck. God bless. You're not part of us anymore.

You don't know how to hook up a fence. Which just killed me. We have a breach for that. Just killed me. But, you know, we find out. And then we get to the bridge. The bridge scene was obviously, you know, the power scene of the episode. You know, some of them got across the bridge.

A bridge starts to break. They've got a, you know, they got a face off with the Virginia. Which, again, wasn't bad. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. I like the setup. But again, the fact that some cosplay chick shows up with their cosplay play group. In a Jeep this time, by the way.

In a Jeep, which is a pretty bad a Jeep, by the way. I know. But. Beasts a saddle soars. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't it? But there's like, so four people. And they're, Morgan's.

group. Their entire group is what? It's stifled by four people. Four people. There's over a hundred at least. And you have John Dory that could take them out in probably point five seconds. Dwight walk up to a shooter in the head right now. They have neutered him, man. Oh, straight. What are they doing? Yeah, come on. I mean, I know you're doing something different. I get that's the point of the

thing. We're doing something different. But you still have to protect your crowd. You still have to protect your people. You're going way too far with this. Yeah. When someone points guns at you threatening to kill you or else, you defend yourself. You have to. You have to protect your people. I don't care what you're doing. I don't care if you're, you know, a group of Mormons out there or something like that.

Right. Staying true to the gospel. You know, like, you still, you defend yourself. Have to protect your people. So four people showing up with guns. I don't know how many guns are in this group. There's a lot. Yeah.

They're not even showing them. They're not even pulling them out. Like, why even have them? Right. Just say, hey, oh, we picked up a lot of firearms. Do you guys like to have these? Here you guys, what's up? We're still not joining you.

You can have all our firearms. We're going to change. We're different. What? Stupid. I know. I know. I don't get it.

I did enjoy it. And when we're at the bridge, I liked, I liked Virginia calling the herd as the boys shot the guns in the air, bringing the herd over. And, you know, that's when they went to the break. And I'm thinking, well, just block the gate with the cars. But they came back blocking the gate, which I thought, okay, good. At least we have some sort of brains going on. Yeah.

And, you know, they get across the, of course, they, get across the bridge. We've got the, we've got Tom doing his documentary. He's got to shoot himself on the bridge doing the live selfies with the video cam and then falling, crashing and dying. But we still got the video. Again,

that made no sense. He still got the video. He can see the bridge crashing around him. And they're like, let's go. No, I've got to get this. And he was even smiling. He's like, see, told you, what we're building? What are ridiculousness is this? Come on. they was so stupid you couldn't feel bad for him literally right if that would have happened to anyone

I don't care even if they had only been on the show for a half a show or something like that you still wouldn't feel bad did anyone that was watching that care at that point no because they made him look so stupid and plus again we lost a character that was there for what an episode and a half yeah that we're supposed to fall in love with yeah so we care about we didn't lose any of our people grace didn't even die

none of the people that have been on the episode for a long period of time came close to die. Because they know, so we're in a weird position against the show right now. So usually the show has that leverage over you, where they have a group of actors, they can do whatever the heck they want to do with them. And you're like, no, please don't kill them. At this point, they're like, no, we can't kill our actors because we literally have no one strong enough to continue to lead this show.

But they do. Who? If they, if they... Well, not with the writers they have. Yeah. There you go. I mean, that's the whole deal. right. The showrunners, no way. Yeah. They can't. So they're already there.

Plus, I've got, and we'll get through the show, but I have news that I believe we called on this podcast again, which proves that they listened to us. Beyond the Gulch thing? Beyond the Gulch. Okay. Beyond the goals. I couldn't believe it when I saw the headline. I almost called you and I thought, nope, I'm saving it for the podcast. We'll get to that as well.

Oh, come on. I hate it when people, I hate you. All right. That's it. Okay. All right, you talk to me up to you. All right, you talked to me up to you. Fear the Walking Dead Star says showrunners are open to the idea of a musical episode.

Oh, no, you're kidding me. Oh, my gosh. What are we even saying? Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Thank you. Heard here first. Wait, why did they say they were open to it?

Did they say they heard that some people were talking about it or what? Yes, according to Talking Fear podcast. It says right in the story. At least that's what I read between the lines. I fully expect to see that soon. And to get paid a little something. Absolutely amazing. Come on.

Wow. No, no, thank you. Of course, now listen, obviously in the story, it's got to be an integral to the storyline. Does it? Does it? I don't think so. I mean, I don't know if it would happen to be in a hallucination

or a dream sequence. but just where it would be a tangible. They're already setting it up with the whole, they had Daniel and what's her name seen the last episode, two episodes ago. Other people have good voices. And What's Her Face was playing the guitar this week? Yeah. You watch.

It's going to start and someone's playing singing a song and then they'll like transition to another scene. The other person's continuing that line. That's episode one next year, season six. Oh my God. The musical. They are literally, I think they have just a bunch of ideas on a wall that like, you know,

you would never actually do, but they're like the producer was like, just throw out anything. Obviously, some stuff will not be good ideas, whatever, just throw the wall. And then they gave everybody in the room darts. And they're like, this is what we're going to do for the show. Oh, what's that? Okay, musical episode, done. We're doing that episode both of a lot. We can get there.

Random, uh, random chick gets cancer and goes looking for an MRI machine. Oh, you nailed that one. Oh, we got that. We can get there. Come on. So bad. And then my favorite part, I think, last night is when they realized that

they were going to have to walk. They were out of gas. They had the crowd. They were going to have to walk. So we got the game speech from Morgan after Al was busy editing the tape for Tom. And we're going to have to walk. So we got the game speech from Morgan,

which he couldn't even get everyone to say right. I mean, he gave the game speech, and he goes, right? And only a couple of people were like, yeah, okay, okay. Nobody says like, yeah, right, yeah, let's go. Yeah, again, that was one of those stupid things. He was like, come on, everyone's waiting on you. We have some major decisions.

They're all sitting there in the sun waiting for her to finish editing her freaking documentary. Are you kidding me? In her documentary war. This is not how people act in real life. You know, it's so, and again, we've talked about, a suspension of disbelief. You know, you have to, this is not reality.

And you have to enter into that to watch a zombie movie or TV show. Of course. But this is going too far. I'm more likely to believe that zombies exist than people act or behave like this in a real life. Well, this is where after the game speech from Morgan to the troops in my notes

and off down the road they go, this is where I write in parentheses, here is where it felt like the longest episode ever. I mean, I was ready to go. I think I checked. time at that point just to see because I had assumed it was over. Right. Yeah, no, there wasn't.

I mean, we had to go through. We had to, you know, we had to walk through the desert with the Jews wandering, you know, aimlessly looking for Jesus waiting apart the sea. Was this, was this over 60 minutes? No. It was, really? It was normal. It felt like it, yeah.

Wow. Let's get to the walk a little bit. And I know, I know, look, before we get to arriving at the gulch, which is a another agonizing point as they were walking through the fields and stuff. All right. So I have a couple of issues and I know that we're supposed to, what did you say? We're supposed to. Suspension of disbelief.

Suspension of disbelief. Okay. So let's do our suspension of disbelief for just a moment. All right. How and whom pushes that wheelchair through those fields? You've had a major issue with this wheelchair. I really do. I really do.

I mean, I know, look, I, I'm sorry, but you're just not going to live. I'm sorry. You're in a wheelchair. No, you're not going to make it. I wish you would. Man, do I want you to live? Sorry, not going to happen.

Yeah, that would be a major ordeal, just getting that guy through. Not to mention 50 miles of pushing a 200 plus pound guy. Was a 50 or only like 5 or 10, right? I don't remember. I guess it was 50 from the get-go. and they did go on cars for a while for quite a ways, yeah. Yeah, so they were, yeah, what was it?

It was like five to ten miles. When we saw the sign finally to the gulch, it was like five, another five, right? That last push was another five. Yeah. Still, there's a long way to be pushing somebody in a wheelchair. Yeah. Yeah, a little too long.

I mean, you watch them, you know, struggling over the ground, which of course, you know, you're walking, you know, it's a, it's not, you know, they're not walking down a paved road. And then they get to the gulchin, there's wheelchair boy yeah holy cow

and the chick you pointed out earlier she sitting in the car she was passing out from lack of fluids and that was when they had it hooked up right but she can walk in the hot sun all the way up there

and be perfectly fine I mean I thought for sure we'd at least have Morgan carrying her for a little while but he never did yeah I thought for sure he was just going to pick her up through her over the shoulder and uh and just carry her for a while but it never happened

I also, one of our Facebook fans who sent me a note last night, said I need them to explain how they keep a pool so clear and clean during the apocalypse of Paradise Ridge. So, Justin, suspension of disbelief. Suspension of disbelief, my friend. That's all I'm telling you, okay? So now we're at the gulch. All right.

Full of walkers. What were you expecting? Were you expecting it to be? I thought it was going to be burned down. I expected it to actually be burned down. I thought they were going to have to just go through some, you know, go through some rubble. It would have been, I was expecting something bad because so much of their hopes were centered on that. Yes.

Yeah, and I'm going to agree with you. I didn't think it was going to be Walker. I thought it was going to be something else. But I'm okay with Walker. I mean, now we're up, now we're going back again to, you know, the prison. Right. That's what I thought. My first thing on that was why is this all of a sudden game over scenario?

I couldn't believe they were so devastated. They couldn't do it. You just start clearing it. Rick and the gang cleared the entire exterior, then went cell to cell, clearing out the inside of the prison. Well, they didn't do the whole prison. Remember, they only did that one wing.

Right, but still. No, I know. But I'm just saying they did the, they got the, they started clearing the land. And then they, you know, then they got it together to start going inside. Right. And that's tons more dangerous than this right here.

I couldn't, right. All the walkers are out. You see them. Open up a gate and just walk in one direction. Open and close. Open and close. Open and close. Right.

What's the big deal? I don't understand it. It's just amazing. Open and close and you send a couple on the back to keep them so they're not overcrowding the gate you're trying to get out of. So you have some in the back trying to go after. You know what I mean? So you're not getting overwhelmed.

I just, I don't get it. So again, in the other show, this would have been a problem that they have to fix. And it would have been interesting. Figuring that out. Right. But their first inclination was to go, let's give up. Now we got to call Virginia for help. Dwight just walks away and leaves.

Right. What? I walked farther before. What are you doing? Yeah, I'm at Wits' end on some of that crap. But, yeah, and call the person that. I mean, Dwight had to have been there. Dwight had to have been there when Negan cleared out the buildings, right?

When he cleared out the buildings for the sanctuary, right? I mean, that didn't just happen. You could just walk in and say, oh, it's mine. Yeah. That's amazing. Why have people with experience in these things in your group? Right. You know what I mean?

It would just walk away. I can't. That's it. That seriously is the only cool thing about having some of these characters from the original show with these newbie guys. Thank you. I mean, that's why you're like, oh, they've been through it. Imagine what Dwight could bring.

He was there at the founding of the Savior. Do you don't know how to deal with certain. No, he's not even a deal with it. You know, because he's, I don't know. I don't know what he's all about. Daniel was with, Daniel was with the dangleberries at the dam for quite some time. He was, he's not unaware of how to clear walkers and handle that. He was all by himself at the, well, not all by himself.

He was when we found him, but prior to that, he was at the warehouse with all his stuff, had people there. I mean, he was all, what are you doing? Remember that scene? Imagine if we're in that, if we're in this group, you and me. And there was that scene where Morgan's like, if anybody's got a better idea, I'm willing to entertain them. And then you and me, it'd be like, are you kidding? I got a couple.

Open the damn gate. I got a couple. Let's let him walk out. Yeah. Can you call on us? I got a couple. How about we push wheelchair boy down the hill? Let him hit the fence.

And when the walkers come to get him, we'll kill the walkers. Okay, how about that? There would be this strange vendetta between you and that guy. It'd be so awesome to see. This thing. I want him to die. I just want to use him as a decoy. It'd be so uncomfortable every time you guys are in the same room.

He roll up and Jeffrey every time, be like, you mother. No, I got to stay away from him. He's going to roll into me. Back up into me with those swords on the back of that chair. I'm gone. So it's just, it just, it just. That's where I'm at. It's just.

That's the title of the show for me. I just. I just. I just, I don't know. But you're right. And we've said it for the past, you know, I don't know, at least half a dozen episodes that alone, setting aside the bigger picture of the show. Okay. I guess, you know, I like the episode alone.

Yeah. But I don't like it at all with the bigger picture. Right. There's nothing to do with it. Yeah. It's just so strange. Knowing the bigger picture makes you hate this. Yeah.

And it's so hard, especially that final scene, not to look at the bigger picture and just be utterly disgusting. It's so hard. Did you watch the preview for the next episode? Yes. So it sounds like Alicia is the only one that's like the voice of reason. I don't know where she was when they were all conflicted at that point. But she actually says, I think we can take this place, or I think we can clear it or whatever. Let's go.

She cleared all other places. They cleared baseball stadiums. They've cleared the stupid. They cleared the stupid tree house. She's done it all and she's going to just stop at this? She was there, right? When they were having this conversation? So why didn't she say something then?

Who knows? Maybe her and Paint Boy were mixing paint to paint a tree. I don't know. Huh. I don't know. I don't know if that implies that their call goes unanswered, which I hope it does. If Virginia rolls down to save the day, I might just turn the show off. And just not care.

Is it the season? finale? Yeah, this is the end of season of season five, right? We're in season five, yeah. Right? Was that, the look at my nose. I can't remember what the whole season. Yeah, season five. Yeah, season five episode 15. So next week is episode 16. Yeah, the final season. And then we go into Walking Dead. And it's, is it one week off and then Walking Dead? October 6th is Walking Dead. So you're looking at, no, I don't think you get a week off. Oh, wow. You just end it And then the next week we go into Walking Dead

That's awesome Yeah So right Good Good riddance I know But the sad thing is Is that we've all been fooled

By the previews of the other show as well So hopefully You know It looked good It looked good The previews for the season 5 opener Looks so awesome I know

The previews for the Midseason opener or yeah when the show came back yeah looks so good I don't know but again it's it's easy for them to pull out cool looking footage because they actually do have cool stuff in the episodes they really do they have cool stuff in the episodes but they just they it's not it's not a wonder they don't give a hint to the storyline or the plot line at all in any of these previews they never do if you notice right right right right like you can tell where the walking dead is going like they are trying to silence the whispers it's going to be

like a war against the Whispers. You know pretty much how the plot line's set up. And we know that we, right, and we know that we find out that, you know, the, what's your face, the whisperer knows that they went out, they crossed the land like they weren't supposed to.

Yeah. And we know that they wander right there. They're like migratory. So they were down south for the winter. And they came back up. So they come back up and they're going to take their property back. So we know all these things about the Walking Dead.

Right. It hasn't deterred us. It actually makes us want to watch the show. Now, the fear does it the exact opposite. They show their cool blow-up scenes or Walker fighting scenes with no mention at all to plot. And so I really don't understand. My father-in-law watches the show with me every week, and he was sitting there last night and at one point he's like, what happened to them going and meeting up with the other crew?

I thought they were supposed to. I thought that's what they were on their way to do. What other, oh. I mean, the whole point of Morgan was saying, I know. a group that's building a better thing, we're going there. Isn't that amazing? How they completely abandoned that? That's just gone.

I'm telling you, I think they expected the ratings to drop significantly when Rick left. I think that was right around that time. I think that was their contingency plan. They were like, you know what, let's reunit because we need Morgan, let's get Morgan back over there because he's so strong. Let's get these new guys with good, talented actors that we have. Let's get them in. And even if we, if we have plans to bring Dwight in, we.

we can still go back and bring Dwight, show that Dwight's back in with us. And then we have the conflict with Darrell with Dwight. It would all work. Yep. Yeah, it would all work. And I bet you they did some demographics searches and they probably found that Fear had its own independent audience, you know, people that didn't really fall the comic books, but liked, who knows, those people are out there.

Absolutely. They're stupid, but they are out there. But they were like, you know what, if we add these numbers to these numbers, then we're back up to where we were? I guarantee you that that was their contingency plan. But then when the ratings didn't fall off as much as they feared, see what I did that? I know. I got one.

Thank you. If I had a rim shot, I'd give it to you. They were like, okay, screw it. Let's see how far we can take this. But the contingency plan is still there if we need it. Sure is. I guarantee. They're probably looking at it again for this season.

I bet you they are. Because Morgan can always say, oh, hey guys, remember that idea that I had, that one group? Yeah, we have to do this. Cosplay land didn't work. out for us, but I know a place back to be. Okay, so let's look ahead to the final episode, right? We've got to clear the land at Gulch. We're hoping that

there's still something inside, right? Weapons, food, bedding, stuff that isn't ruined by walkers. I'm surprised that they didn't make any note of how bad it would have smelled. Because usually when they come upon a huge

herd that's cattled up like that, you get the smell. You know, the in the world of walking dead, walkers tend to have a distinct smell. You know, they're dead. And they eat live things and turn them dead. That's kind of nasty.

So we've got to clear that land, which will be great. And that's probably what's going to happen, right? They decide it goes unanswered from Virginia. They decide to clear. Then Virginia shows up at the end. Yeah. and it's interesting how there's all these like there's this chain of old wild west theme parks all over the place there's multiple of them this was the original one this is the original one

i guarantee you this is where virginia worked and and they're guaranteed and they're out in the middle of absolutely freaking nowhere no it's right there smack dab is where people people show up all the time what are you talking about there's housing complexes and everything out there Oh, wait. No, there is it. There's nothing out there. And they're not even walking on a road. It's literally in the middle of a field.

There's no infrastructure to get people there. It's so obvious that they just constructed these, like, faux buildings in the middle of a field somewhere. It's so stupid. True. There's absolutely. There's not a parking lot. No freeway. Do people park, like, 10 miles away and walk in so they experience?

Is this West World? I don't know. Is that part? Yeah, that's part of the experience? Yeah. Yeah, you got to ride a horse in from 10 miles out. I mean, this is how the pioneers got to this. Yes.

Back in 18. Take you in on a wagon. Take the wagon train into a humbug's gold. Right. That's exactly. There's nothing. You're 100% right. Now there's nothing.

So goofy, man. It's unbelievable. There's no lights. I mean, it's completely nothing. I don't know, man. To answer your question, the final episode, I'm going to assume that they either can't get a hold of them or she says something real smart alecky back at them

like you had your chance now it's over type thing because it does seem like they backtrack a little bit and start to clear the thing. Which, duh. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can't believe that they would go this far and not at least attempt to take this over.

But hey, that's part for the court. on the show. Because once they go towards something, you think they're going in a direction, they just circle back around. It's just so circular. Even with the relationship between Morgan and Cancer Chick, you know, again, it witnessed. He, which she comes around, he pushes off. He comes around. Now she pushes off. Yeah. Stop. It'll make it too hard. I just wanted to, don't. But you were all about it before when I wasn't all about it. Yeah. Come on. Now, now we're here walking in a field with you almost dead. I want to make it right with Now watch this.

She'll end up not having cancer. It'll be something that Joan can fix. And she'll come back around. What's going to happen? Somebody's got to die. I don't care, Jason. Somebody's got to die. Now Morgan's going to back off.

I don't know. I don't know if they can kill anybody. Somebody's got to die. This is my world now, damn it. She can die, but who cares? I know that. So that's like. So that's like losing Tom.

It's like losing the guy on the bridge. Who was, you know, okay, great. and it was funny to see the selfie with the video camera and him going down, you know, and we're sad that he left and the sister and we're going to push on for Tom. And we have all of that. But somebody's got to die.

The only person for it to make any real impact is if it's like someone like John, Joan, Morgan won't die, Dwight won't die, I doubt. I would like, I think that the only other way, The only other reason, I mentioned it last week, if Charlie dies, Daniel goes off the deep end then, right? Yeah, but they haven't developed that relationship. Right.

But he said it. I mean, he did say it once. I don't know. You know, if they show, if they come out on the episode and it's like the first two minutes or just him palling around with her, she's dead. Yes. Straight up, she's dead. I mean, you might as well, she might as well have that.

Charlie and I'll go up. Star Trek uniform with that one color. you might as just put that uniform on it. Charlie and I'll go over here on this side of the gullets for you guys. No problem, dead. Yeah, dead. Gone. And they're gone.

Yeah. And they're gone. And Daniel will come back on. I'm going to kill all of you. Just put the away team uniform on her right now. She's done. So, at least something to look forward to. And then we have Walking Dead season 10, the premiering the following Sunday, October 6.

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