Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S5 E7 | Fear The Walking Dead

Episode Date: July 16, 2019

SEASON FIVE EPISODE FIVE EPISODE SEVEN FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TITLED:  STILL STANDING This is Talking Fear…  Join myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher each week, as we discuss the latest episode of Fear and look ahead to the future IMDB description this week Strand and Charlie seek safety. Dorie helps Dwight on his quest. Morgan stays focused on the greater mission. Elsewhere, Alicia refuses to give up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 5, episode 7 of Fear the Walking Dead, titled Still Standing. That makes this Talking Fear. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Talking Fear. The episode on IMDB description is Strand and Charlie seek safety. Dory helps Dwight on his quest. Morgan stays focused on the greater mission. And elsewhere, Alicia refuses to give up. I believe that the title still standing is wrong.

It should be titled tonight's episode, Monologues. Yes. Welcome to Talking Fear, Jeff Fisher, along with Jason Buttrill, Maximus Fisher, missing in action again. He's going to be missing in action for another month. Mr. I'm on the road traveling. Anyway, this episode was definitely monologue driven. And I don't know that I, if that's where we're going, I've had just about enough of the monologues. Oh, but I thank God for this, though, because it helped me crack the code of how they're designing their stories.

And basically, I think what they did is they had a little Fear of the Walking Dead workshop. Okay. In the off season. And they all went to Broadway. And they went to Broadway play after Broadway play. They did this straight for probably three months straight. And then they figured out how they were going to design their TV shows. Okay.

Think about it. But instead of the monologue. that you're talking about. In Broadway, they have the songs. Yeah. They're like, well, we can't have them break out into singing because that's just goofy. That's just not going to work in the genre. It would be really good.

It would be really good. I bet a lot of people would tune in for it. But I can't do that. You're the Walking Dead, the musical. That's basically what we have, only it's monologues. So it's like, you got some tension, you know. And then all of a sudden you hear this in the background. It's a wall of walkers.

A wall of walkers. who's danger, danger. Jazz hands and jazz hands and spooky jazz hands. That's what they have. Only except for the singing that comes in next, it's a Morgan monologue or an Alicia monologue or pick one. Yeah, pick any of the big major characters. They all had monologues.

That was their transition point for every single push in the story yesterday, this past episode. Yeah. Everyone. It's like, here we go again. No matter what. Yeah, it was amazing. I will say another point too is that when Alicia was going after the kids and she went through the maze of walkers all tied together. Yeah.

Okay, well, a couple things to that. Again, if that is not a Halloween set. Come on. AMC, you're missing the boat. Come on. You're missing the boat. And if you run a haunted house, if you don't put this in there, you've lost. Your neglect of duty.

You've lost. Yeah, shut it down. Shut it down. We're closed. Shut up. We're closed. But I will say that we're supposed to believe that these kids did that. Yeah.

These kids, all on their own. These kids that can't even, that can't even only have one way into their tree house that they built. They did this. Okay. All right. I got you. No problem. They made this maze of walkers with their guts tied them all together and that's what they did.

All right. I'll give you that. But I'd still, we talked last week again, and it's again, because Alicia is still focused on these kids. They said they didn't want to go with you. You said it would be okay if they decided that. Now you're not giving you're saying, no, it's not okay. It's not okay.

I have to get them out of there. It's a cannabination zone. No, let them be. Oh, no, Jevy. She's got to make up for her past transgressions for what she did was so bad and evil. What was it that she did that was so bad and evil by the way? Right. I couldn't think of it.

I was like, what, she said she killed people. Who does she kill? Everyone. Everyone that's alive today. And they aren't even as far long as the Walking Dead, the main show. But everyone that's alive today has killed something. You haven't survived to this day, even the children. You haven't, you're not alive if you haven't killed something, whether it be grinders or

walkers or grounders or whatever you want to call them or another human that, out to kill you. Yeah. Right? You're not, you haven't survived to this point without, without killing something. And just haven't. In self-defense.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big distinction.

Yeah. Because our group, yes, our group, our people are the people who do it in self-defense. Yeah. We're trying, we're the people that are trying to survive and get along and say, hey, join us, but you're the bad guys and say, no, well, we're going to kill you. That's the way it is. Mm-hmm. But you haven't, you're not that far along without having done that.

So, I mean, welcome to the world. when did she not when did she step out of line of that i don't know go on a killing spree like an offensive killing yeah i don't i don't i don't ever remember okay so yeah right unless it was unless it was after you know between the time that they ended up in texas and the dam exploded somewhere on the west coast and they followed the water train to texas yeah the wormhole yeah i kind of i'm kind of blanking on that entire season really because i don't remember i don't remember i just remember I remember, I remember Alicia and her mom, right, were like in a boat or something like that. The rest of them were on the dam and they got split up and somehow all got that.

Yeah. Then they all, at the end of the season, right, she was on the shore, right? She had washed up on the shore and there were still all kinds of people that were, had survived or had wanted to come into the dam community. Yeah. Not the dam community, but the dam community with the dam. they were all still on the side because they were outside of the fenced-in area. So that was the end of the season, I thought, right? I think it was.

How can you, like, what a weird, like, gosh, this is going way back. But that villain was set up to be a pretty dang good villain, I thought. That biker gang guy? Yeah, the wheelchair guy. The surgery, right? Was he in a wheelchair? Yeah, the head guy, didn't he had surgery and everything. Remember they pulled the bullet out and stuff?

Yeah. It was like a, wasn't it like a brain thing or something? crap, I don't remember. I thought it was something in his back. But anyway, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It didn't matter.

It was the whole deal. It was another casting, like, person from a son's vanarchy. Yes. That dude. So, I mean, their casting has been spot on, I think, with some of that. It's just, I mean, there's a, come on. Like, gosh, we're going to go way down the rabbit hole here. I know.

I know. And I guess we're, if we go back that far, we're actually, you're losing even more ground because that world has already gone. Yeah. Right. We've already, we've gone through the wormhole into the new world. Now, that world happened but didn't happen. But in that world, I guess is what Alicia's feeling bad about. And we don't even know if and what she did anything. We never saw her do anything out of the ordinary. No, I didn't, I didn't see it. And there was a lot more going on in those other seasons too.

Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, it wasn't just a wait for monologue, then move on, then monologue. It was like constant. Like there was always something going on. It wasn't always awesome, but I mean, at least there was always something going on. Yes. You know, one of my favorite times of the show, if I may. I loved the, when they were at the hotel in Tijuana. Oh, yeah, that was great. Wasn't that good?

Or Rosarito, wherever. I told you, I think I mentioned at the time, I actually stayed in that hotel. Right, yeah, you had one of your honeymoon or something there, right? No, but we did stay there multiple vacations. Because it's a closed off area outside there, has the beach and everything? Yes, I remember the story. Roserito Beach Hotel. Yeah.

It's a really cool place to stay. But everywhere, remember when they had like the train, the parade of walkers? They were trying to make go off the pier. Yeah, off the edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can all those places you can go to off that hotel. It was really good. But that was like, that was one of the highlights, I think, of this entire show.

Which is weird because we thought this season was going to be a highlight. Yeah. Good gosh. I mean, something's got to happen, right? I was thinking about this during the episode. Right now we've got really strong characters on the show. and we didn't even see Daniel at all this episode I mean he just disappeared

is he going to try to leave with them is he gonna are they gonna get him I mean we don't even know what happened to him right are they gonna bring him and skid bark along what happens he's got to show up as like the you know the white knight you know to save the day yeah yeah

so anyway they've got really strong characters we've got we've got Morgan and we've got Alicia and we've got Dwight and we've got John and we've got June and we've got Al and we've got Daniel and we've got who else your girl Lucinda or whatever

Luciana. Luciana. Yeah, yeah. And aside from the children of the corn, you know, which some of those kids are pretty strong characters on their own, you know, for what they do. But somebody's got to go. Right? I mean,

nobody, we haven't lost anyone. We haven't lost anyone. We haven't lost anyone. Well, aren't they... Strand is gone. I mean, I know that we're leading up to Alicia going, which I was really surprised. She's one of the originals. Yeah.

She's the last of the originals, right? Yeah. I mean, the last of the originals. The Strand? But he's not part of the... He was there in season one, but he wasn't the... He wasn't part of the originals, right? I mean, he was there because he was in that holding cell with heroin boy.

But the family. Yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, she's the last of it. And I don't know that she's, I don't know that I pick her to be the one to go yet. I think we've kind of turned her into, I know that Morgan is, you know, kind of, if we tie it into the big show Walking Dead, Morgan is kind of, they're trying to have him be the Rick.

But I think Alicia is actually more of the Rick. She needs to be more of the Rick than Morgan. Yeah, I liked her when she was, I was liking. her on this kind of like a cold-blooded pragmatic type thing. I like that. We're looking to the future, but screw you. Right.

Yeah. And Morgan was still kind of like the wise Obi-One cano. You know what I mean? She's got, look, she carries around her muffler. Stop. Okay, you're not convincing me that's anything else with a muffler. I mean, that thing, for sure she needs to move on to the...

Oh, speaking of the muffler. When she was like, it's a symbol of my past, I start sharping it, you know, when my mom died. It's like, so? It's like, I would have made anything out of a weapon. I mean, why is that so symbolic to her? Right. And then she's begging the kids to give it to her. Shut up.

I'll kill you right now. Give me my weapon. That's mine. A little brat. They're eight. Let's not forget. They're eight. Shut up.

I don't know who you think you are. You got a walkers trying to get through your little roped up fence over there. I love how it never occurred to them that that might go awry. You know, it's like, oh, this thing's going to keep us safe. But a legitimate herd of walkers. Well, they tied up a legitimate herd of walkers with their guts and they didn't think, you know, that might go bad.

Yeah. I'm not sure if the intestine's going to hold for another month. Although I did like Dylan's, like, the little reveal that that was like his nightmare. And they were like, oh, crap, that's actually kind of an interesting idea. Remember that? Remember Alicia was looking through his like drawing? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the start of that.

Yes. That was kind of interesting. Yeah, it was. And look, the tree forward and all of them to be staying alive. It's kind of cool. I kind of like it, although I would have, and their kids, so maybe they wouldn't have thought of having a backup way to get out. You know what I mean?

I'll give them some of that. But on the flip side, Alicia, okay, so you're there. You're going to save them. You're not going to fight. It's going to be my weapon. You see, we're going to kill these people, okay? Get out of here.

I'm going to save you. Get out of here. But she's still alive. We didn't kill her. No one died yet. No one died yet. And we were supposed to believe that Strand and Charlie, who I like, who's another character that's coming along as a pretty good character, the girl, who started out that

we're not liking the girl that killed her brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, she's not little anymore, but who was then, yeah. she's with strand and we had to drag the propeller to a point behind the balloon to raise the balloon that's going to stop the walkers, right? That's what we did. Okay. Wouldn't we just raise the balloon and guess what?

When we kill the walkers, we'll go back and get the propeller. I'm just not going to spend all this time trying to drag this heavy-ass propeller behind the area where I could raise the balloon. It's also ludicrous, but it was like, I, I like the visual, you know, when the, when the, the, the, the, the, the Walker faces were going into the balloon. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I liked the visual. Yes, it was.

And it was cool. And it was a cool visual, too, when Morgan went to Grace's house. And when he realized it was Grace's house. And then the Walker was in the window. And they had Morgan look out the window and you saw his face. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, that was good.

See, they haven't had a problem with, like, the shot. That's, like, I think we mentioned this before at the beginning of the season. They, they up their game. Even starting from last season. Yeah. They really up their game and just how they shoot everything. I mean, I have no, in the action sequences, I've had no gripe with. It's just, well, the way it's done, I've had no gripe with.

Just some of the scenarios are just kind of stupid. It's the monologues, right? It's the songs. It's the whole song. So there's Dwight and John, and then Dwight and John are struggling to get back, and we're finally going to tell we're finally going to tell Dwight about the letter and, you know, so we break into another song.

Break into another song about the letter. And Dwight is sad so he dances off. Right? And we can't, we're talking to June and you'll find someone to love. Right, you'll find someone. It's just. Even the balloon part, they raise it. And you're like, normally you'd be like,

okay, what you do in the real world is you figure out what your next move is. No, instead, Strand, again, you hear the snapping, and he goes off into his little monologue. I'm like, why are you monologuing? There's 80 walkers right on the other side of a little piece of like cloth held together by a rope. That they haven't figured out, I mean, this is a huge field.

There's no walkers coming from the other directions. Eventually they're going to do, hey, when we walk around that. Or other walkers. I mean, the whole 8,000 walkers are walking in that 30 feet of balloon. No, come on now. He's like, you know what this reminds me of? An inspirational thing I've been wanting to say for a really long time. Let me tell you, a little girl, whatever your name is.

I tell you, Charlie. Charlie. I was like, I'll tell you what I's like. I mean, she's going to be with Daniel though. She's Daniel's girl now. Yeah, you're calling that. I know she was a chin. I love that.

I love those two. Those two are strong. Yeah, he'll get a daughter replacement. Yeah, you aren't lying. She's going to be it. because she already fell into his love with the music and the knowing what he was doing with the traps. Called that shot right there for sure. That was really good.

And then we had the whole, I did like they finally realized, we did finally actually admit that they needed aviation fuel for the plane. And they admitted that they were actually, which we talked about before, aren't you at a gas station? That was June. Like, aren't we on top of huge tanks of gas? Yeah. You know, hello? And then, you know, so Al knows where to get the aviation fuel. And you knew going back there was going to drudge up the love memories.

That was so great. So June, I think we should be able to tell June. You were like, isn't everyone else in a hurry? You know, like, the whole world's in hurry. It's melting down. The nuke plan is going to blow. We've got to get this gas. We've got to get back and get this plane flying.

Everyone's in a hurry. We hurry up. John and Dwight get back. We've got to get back. I don't know how long it's going to take you to get back. But get back. We need to go. But wait.

I've got to do a dance number. We've got to sing first. Oh my gosh, this episode. It's so funny when you like, your complaints are like, they materialize right there in like one example. And it was like, I cannot believe it. This is why like the pacing seems so ridiculous, I think, to me. This is one of the ridiculous things on this. But the pacing specifically, you know, lead up to something.

dance number song. Lead up to some dance number song. And just as a side note in the middle of talking fear of the podcasts that you're listening to, on behalf of Truvada, I'm on the pill. Anyway. Non-stop.

The commercial is driving insane. Although I haven't seen another commercial inside the show that caught me by surprise was the commercial for Lodge 49, another TV show. And it said that's season two. I never saw season one. I don't even remember season one.

You didn't even see them in advertising? For season one, which is really strange. You didn't? I don't remember seeing Lodge 49. Oh, they did a big push. That must have been when I was recording in and fast forward through the commercials. It looked kind of interesting. I know.

You get the whole like. Yeah, I mean, it looks like a worth watch. Anyway, I just was like, wow, okay, season two already for that. So then we end up with, you know, Morgan. And it looks like we're going to get Morgan and Grace as the love couple, right? Morgan's all hot for grace. Oh, totally. You think we're going to get a little about that?

Yeah. The only weird thing is this whole radiation thing. You know, like, didn't she say specifically she didn't have as much time because of her exposure? Well, I mean, Morgan's, you know, going to say, don't we've got all the time we want your. I mean, that's what he was saying. Like, you know, I'm not going to let you act like you're dead. Yeah. Because you're not.

Oh, gosh. And that's what she was saying that, you know, you think everyone else's life is more important than yours. But together, we can make things better. But I don't know. Either they are setting that up or they're setting them both up to fail big time. Because that little, again, his little monologue over the radio about how we need to start living again. Yeah.

I'm so sick of hearing that. We need something for ourselves. And he's saying that to Alicia who now thinks she's going to die. And his new girl that he's getting sweet on. Right. Who will probably also die for the same reasons. Yeah. Radiation.

So them. Yeah. And Alicia knows right. She killed, for sure, at least the one walker that sprayed her with. radiation blood. Yeah. You know, because he had the little radiation monitor on his neck.

So, you look. Surprising. What they've been through. And what they know what the outcome is if you die or if you catch the walker disease. The radiation thing, for some reason, to me, is like the least of their worries.

I don't know why they're worried about it. I mean, I get, if the reactor blows, obviously a problem. But killing a couple of walkers, stop it. Who cares? look at where we're at okay the radiation is not going to if it might save me radiation might actually save me from becoming a walker I don't know have you seen Chernobyl that's some scary crap that's kind of a good point never mind but then we have at the end we have you know the sirens going off which saves everybody from the walkers right

because all the walkers are going to all the walkers the herds are all going to turn and go after the sirens yeah right that's that's the end of the episode And we get the tease of we go back to the warehouse guy for the next episode, show them talking to the warehouse guy again. Finally, good. Right. So, you know, we get that back in our picture, but we still didn't have Daniel. Okay, so what episode is this? This is seven.

Okay, it's been what? Six episodes. And we, that's a major plot point. And we haven't heard a word about it. Yeah, at least five episodes, right? We haven't heard anything. Dude. So they were just wasting time up into the midseason finale.

before getting back to what they really wanted to do. I guess so. That's all this was. This entire thing around this nuclear plant was just a waste. Well, it was a waste. It was a waste. It was a waste except they brought back in Daniel and they brought back Dwight. Right, but they didn't need to do this.

No, they could have been absolutely something else. Even fine. If they wanted to like, if that's how they lost the facility that they were at to this dude by chasing him out there, they could have met Dwight and, who else did you say? Dwight and Daniel. And Daniel on this rescue mission. because they're in the general, same general area. Yes.

Done the rescue mission, gone back and dealt with it. And it could have been an entire season of getting this place back. I'd have been fine with that. Yeah. Okay. A lot better than what we got now. Oh, kidding. I mean, I don't know.

I really don't know. I'm really frustrated with the whole thing. It's like they're like kind of ran out of ideas. And they're like, gosh, man. Like we've done walkers here, walkers there, bad guy there, bad guy here. What's something we haven't done? Nuclear zombies. And good. I like it. I'll give you. Okay. So that's, you know, fine. I got it. I don't know that I think it's a, I don't think it was, I don't know that I like the grace feeling sorry for, you know, you can't, they're all radiated. So she's trying to, I don't know. I don't know where I'm at with it. It just seems so pointless.

She's good. I think she's going to, I'm going to leave with him. She has to. I don't know if she survives, but I think she goes with him. Yeah, I mean, she has to, right. Morgan's not going to let that happen. Morgan's not going to leave without her No matter what Even if it's not a love interest Morgan's not going to leave without her

And there's now nothing for her to stay for She's the kids to Alicia to Morgan Yeah yeah They all have to have someone to save John's saving Dwight Right And now June is saving Al Morgan is saving Grace

Alicia's saving the kids We're all saving somebody Now we're going to hop on the plane And we're going to fly over the mountains So the season, the mid-season finale is the nuke plant blows as the plane is flying off over the nuclear plant, right?

Right. That's got to be the mid-season finale. Yeah. And if we have to wait longer than the mid-season finale to get that, that's a problem. Big time. And when is the mid-season finale?

I mean, we're at seven, so you're looking at probably another two or three weeks, right? Wow. Are there 20 episodes? Probably. Something like that. I don't really, to be honest,

don't remember. Crazy. As I'm looking that up, though, I'll, we'll take a break and just remind people that I know that they're still talking, they're trying to talk, there was big stories on getting Lauren Cohen back to The Walking Dead. Really? Getting Maggie back. Because, you know, her show did so well that she went to that she's, they've decided that

she didn't want to do it anymore. Is it canceled already? Oh, yeah, long gone. Oh, my gosh. The ABC was like, no, we're not renewing that. It's over. Oh, my gosh. I forget what the stupid show was, what the name of her show was.

But it looked like it was going to try to be okay. And some of those shows actually make it. But they don't make it on the big networks. It's really weird. The shows like she was doing was, they make it big on like TNT and TBS. But ABC and NBC, those kind of shows don't really. They're all the same. Right.

There's no variety. That's why shows like The Walking Dead. such a breath of fresh air. There's different. And by the way, the Emmy nominations were announced this week and there was no Walking Dead listed on. None? I didn't see any Walking Dead on the Emmy nominations at all.

Wow. They didn't even get the you know, they used to, they at least before have won, you know, best prosthetics, best, you know, best explosion in an episode and no one died. That kind of award. I don't think they got any of that. How crazy is that?

have. They might be in the makeup thing. I didn't look at that. And as far as ratings, weren't they like, like the number two? They were still strong. Yeah. I mean, the numbers were down for them. But overall, the numbers were still strong. Yeah, absolutely. They're in the top five for like all like shows. Yeah. Always. Still with that, they get no. And I will say I do understand now doing this podcast on Fear of the Walking Dead. And I'm only going to say this, I'm only going to say this once, but I do understand now why my man on the show that usually follows the episode called Talking Dead. Now we're not going to do it after fear. We're going to take a little break. Is that, is that so, but it'll be coming back for, I think it's going to be back for this midseason

finale. Oh, it is. And then, but then I think it goes away again for a little while until walking dead, you know, until it gets closer to Walking Dead. Wow. So, So at first I was like, what are they doing? But it was probably more him thinking, I don't want to talk about this show every week. Because it's difficult to talk about it and make it good with what's happening in the show. I mean, I'm a fan of it and I want the show to do well. But I mean, heck, we've done our best to talk good about it.

And it's still hard. Yeah. Because there's some things that need to happen. And I get that they're setting up for the movies. And they're, you know, I guess we're, to me, they're setting. up for the movies and they're setting up for the merge of all the shows. Just make it one big show. But in the meantime, let's give us something more than what the song and dance than the, you know, the Broadway. Yeah, Hardwick is, it's probably hard. You could tell he was a fan

and he's, oh yeah. Love and doing what he was doing. Absolutely. But now it's like, what are you going to say when you're like after fear? He'd be like, so Morgan, Morgan, the monologue that you gave at the 10 minute mark was amazing. Right. How much different was it the monologue that you did at the 15 minute mark and the 20 minute mark. Exactly. And again, John Doris here. John, how was your monologue with Dwight? That's every single question.

It's so funny. So you're looking at, it looks like we have 16 episodes for fear. Oh, wow. So next week. I mean, eight or nine is coming up on the finale mid-season. Yeah. Wow. But they haven't, they haven't, they haven't advertised that.

it can't be next week, right? I mean, the next week's episode is called Is Anybody Out There? Up Against the Clock, Morgan Gratian Leisure Work to Buy Time is Doreen-Dway race against the Elements. Meanwhile, Sarah and Wendell get help from an unexpected source. Does it show the date for the next one release? No. Dang it.

Next week, and then it doesn't give a date. So maybe it is next week. Possibly. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. But still, I mean, with, man, if this is the mid-season finale, Ooh. Okay.

I mean, but that does kind of line up with what you said would be the last episode this half season. Yes. Because the nuclear actor is about to blow. It's going to blow. The sirens going off. The walkers are going to go away to the sirens. So that gives them some peace. You still have that siren going off in the background, right?

It'll be annoying. But it'll be, that's the sound saving grace for the walkers because they're all going to go to that. Right. So it'll be just as they're trying to get the plane to stee. start, the siren dies. There's no more siren. Flash of light. Erie silence happens.

Yeah, and then you're looking at, we've got to go. This group will see the flash of light, and then you'll get one of them want to say, you know what, what that flash of light reminds me of? It's the inner fire that each one of us has to help people, and it'll be a 20-minute monologue. That's what will happen. Tonight's episode. monologues.

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