Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E11 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

TALKING WALKING DEAD: Fear Edition… Season Six Episode Eleven TITLED: ‘The Holding’   WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB An infiltration turns rescue mission as members of the group dig deeper into an underground community Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe…   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 11, titled The Holding. And that makes this talking walking dead, well, fear the walking dead edition. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell and Maximus Fisher, episode description from IMDB, an infiltration turns rescue mission as members of the group dig deeper into an underground community. We find out that it is the, you know, it's the circle of life. we kind of we kind of guessed that but we didn't i don't know that we actually guessed that it would go as far as it did anyway jason butchro maximus fisher uh just a quick uh your first

reaction to a last night's episode i really dug it i got this like you know like jim jones david caresh you know like not mass suicide type but like just colt it was like i'm always fascinated with that and they i think they really hit it the entire time so i was i was fascinated the entire time. It really was. I thought this episode was really interesting as well. I thought it was very compelling and confusing

in some aspects, but definitely intriguing. Yeah, it was really interesting that we finally, you know, we got to try to figure out how to get down there and what's happening, but we found out that they might be actually underground and then our people

are already there. They've already figured it out. Yeah, that was a weird jump for sure. It was kind of fat. It was just fast. Yeah. And so, you know, there's nothing like living in the apocalypse in an underground, an underground parking garage. Who doesn't want to do that?

And of course, using Walkers as a fertilizer. I know. That was awesome. Now, and when they first showed that, I'm thinking, wait, because I get the, I get the using it for fertilizer. and don't worry about your stupid little dog nobody can hear it and the world knows that you have now a little sissy dog just as a side of it that's the wife's dog

that's the wife's I when they first showed the grinder of grinding up the dead bodies I'm like well I mean I get the being fertile people zoilin green is made out of people but I thought about, wait, the blood, right? I mean, we still have to worry about the blood.

He's already figured that out. My man is embalming him and getting rid of the blood. It's awesome. So he's just grinding up the body. Is that what it was? Yeah, the embalming fluid, yeah. Because I thought that was a punishment. Like, those people would not be grounded up and used for the betterment of society.

I thought the embalming was like the people that pissed them off. That's why I don't think so. I don't, I think the embalming was getting them ready to be fertilized. So why did he say you will not be used, you will be embalmed? Hmm, that's a good point. But I also thought he said it earlier in the show that, because they addressed that. They said, wow, it's not dangerous. And they were like, no, this is the way it's been done through the entire forever.

Yeah, the circle of life. I get that. I get that. But I was still concerned with, I mean, we still, I was concerned with, but they were only using the fertilizer for to feed that's what they were growing the food to feed the animals with right not the people or that's what they said

well okay so they said they're using the they're using the like you know they're grounding them up for fertilizer and they said that takes a couple months and then they use the bone after it's all dried up or whatever they use the bone for

for meal for the for the chickens okay so it wasn't the bodies it was the bones that were they were using for the ground up bones for the meal for the chickens okay Yeah, guys. Okay, so now, I mean, I don't know. Now you got me thinking about what needs to happen.

I mean, hey, look, I'm just here. The end is the beginning. I'm following the leader. Okay. Whatever you want to do, I'm in. Follow Lord Teddy, everybody. Follow Lord Teddy. Right.

As in all cult ideology, it's just like most of it doesn't make sense. And it's just kind of, that's why it's fascinating to me how people fall into it. But clearly this group has gone all in just off of like staring at some weird Walker tied to a tree and eventually they see something that nobody else sees. They see the circle of life, right? That's where it all starts.

Yeah, I kept on trying to think of what what the correct answer was for that. So I was like, what are you supposed to say? Like, I see life coming out around the dead or something like that. Right, the new beginning, right? It's where it all begins. Life and death is one.

Yeah. And, you know, we're here to create the future, but we can't create that until we nuke the above ground people. That's totally what it is. Okay, so it hasn't been confirmed that it's going to be nuking, but that submarine kind of, we think it's a nuclear sub. So they're trying to destroy a lot of communities above ground, and they said we want to destroy everything. Right. The sub, they want a key.

That probably gets into the nuke chamber. Sure. I mean, that's what they, I mean, Morgan has the key to the sub. Yeah. That's what they want Morgan. That's our guess anyway. We still have no clue what the key actually does. That's a key to Teddy's heart is what it is.

I will say, Teddy was a great character. I mean, he showed up at the end. I kept waiting for him to show up because we saw him in the promos. And he's a great character. So far, I loved it. He really, I mean, he owned his character really good. He owned that scene at the end. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like him. I wish they would have went a little more, I don't know, I just kept thinking Jim Jones. I wish they would win a little bit more like that, like my children type, you know, that type of dude or something. He might get there. Yeah, he might get there. Yeah, he might get there because he wants, you know, after listening to Alicia and knowing that she is, you know, one of the leaders and the strong personality, he, you know, that's a fight for him to win her over, man. She's one that if he wins her over, she's the new leader. Yeah, I got to say, I kind of wish she would have gotten offed on this. I was expecting to. Me too.

I don't mind Alicia as much as you guys do, but I'm just saying it's like it would have been interesting if they did kill her off, but they didn't. They made us all believe that she was going to go like mom and burn fire. I totally set that up I absolutely I was just wait okay good good then the only thing left is Strand

who that makes him mad right I mean that he's the last one from the first opening fear Daniel too right no was Daniel part of the first I mean he was there for

I guess he was the very first show too yeah they showed in his barbershop yeah yeah yeah so and we've made him crazy right we've made him crazy so strand would be the last sane character if alicia were to die

yeah and alicia they just they never show her like once in a blue moon she comes out and it's usually something annoying so I was like I don't but I don't really have an issue with her it's just it just it just it just it just looked like they were going away from that character

which right I will I will say that during that scene and I hate to you know I don't want to I know I did enjoy the episode. I mean, if you compare it to last week's episode, this episode won Emmys. So, which I don't think it did, because

there were several scenes in this particular episode that I thought, come on, can we act better than that? Just a little. We just do a little bit of acting better. That's a little. That's all I want. There's a little bit better. But when, you know,

the group and I just, when they went to get away and A, frustrating, they go through a door they have never been through. Why would you do that? Why would you break away from the people that are trying to kill you? When you know that that door to go through gets you out, why do you go through another one? I didn't know. Okay.

And second, she couldn't get out with the others and start the fire? Yeah. Okay. That's what made me think that she was dead. because why wouldn't she just go with them? Yeah. Max? My guess.

I saw that coming. I told you this last night. My guess is that she wanted to stay behind to fight them off just in case they would be able to catch up with them if she just ran out after starting the fire. That's my guess. Okay. All right. Which is stupid because walls of fire should be sufficient enough. than home girl standing there with a pocket knife.

That's it, though. That's it. And it was fun. I mean, it was, you know, it was enjoyable. And I will say that, you know, we did. It was, you knew that I thought before we met up with Wes's brother, Derek, before we met up with him, I actually thought Wes was. starting to get one over by the end of the beginning people.

I thought he was starting to, you know, see the light. Before? Yeah, before they met up with Derek. And then when Derek came out of the elevator, I felt like then we realized that the brother was all in, and Wes realized, ooh, ooh, he's lost his mind, and these people are crazy. Yeah, especially when he saw the,

he saw the evidence that he was a part of the attack on the gas station or the refinery or whatever, all that stuff. And when we were looking through his room, we saw some very familiar looking logos, did we not? Yes, we did. Yeah, it was it. That's, I mean, so where did they get that stuff? Well, well, if we remember in the room with the embalmed wiremouth walkers,

there was a CRM soldier that Al looked at. Yeah, that's right. She thought was her girlfriend. Yeah. Which I guess it was not her. It was not. Because obviously Al's going to go look for, you know, the beer lady. But they must have gotten that stuff from the other buildings, right?

The other little safe spaces that the helicopter people, the beer lady, were dropping off. And we know they have them. And at least one thing we know from world beyond, they have drop-off points. they have drop-off points. We've seen that. And at least one of the beer people that were in the embalming room would have had those maps, right? That's where they got them from was her.

She would have had that information. So, I mean, that was kind of, and I will say that it was it was different hearing. The underground garage people called them posters, the walkers.

Yeah. Called them posters. Everybody has their own little, what are you talking about? posters? Yeah, they're really getting to the bottom of their barrel on those names. They're going to be called daisies at one point or something stupid. You're like, what? We've had

eaters, biters. I would say as the show went on, one of the commercials, just as I know this, we've got three things to talk about today on talking, Walking Dead, Fear Edition, that isn't really to do with the show, except that took place, you know, kind of during and around the show.

One is, I want a special fat guy moon pod. The commercial for moon pod during the show, I want one, only I want a fat guy version. I'm just saying, moon pod, I'm just saying, throwing out the idea, special fat guy moon pods, please. Thank you. It is kind of discriminatory.

I'll give you that. Thank you. And then there's the other thing you want to talk about. Well, we'll get to this. that. We'll get to that. I just found it. So now and then we have, you know, they, they go back and they finally, you know, they hook up with Morgan, and they know who Morgan is, and they're going to have to go try and rescue Alicia, so that's where our battle comes. Oh, we, we forgot to mention, Wes's brother died. Derek died. Well, yeah. I mean, they got into the fight and, you know,

he got bitten by the, you know, the tree is life person. I was surprised they killed him off. Well, somebody had to die, right? Which made, I mean, somebody's got to die. That whole episode went with that's the only one that died, right? Yeah. That scene didn't make it sense to me. I was like, why are they, why did they give him, like, one last chance to convert his brother? Right?

Yeah. It's like, I just thought that was kind of dumb. He was like, yeah, can I give him one last chance? He kind of gave him the nod and they went out. I was like, oh, come on. You were like two seconds away from embalming them, but you're going to give him one last chance. Well, he believes in his brother. And Derek was all in, right?

I mean, he's all in. So we've got to give the guy, you know, one last little shot to save his brother so that they realize. To see how Teddy sees. Correct. Yeah, we just got you, tell me what you see. I see you out of your freaking mind is what I see, bro. You described it as that structure as a parking garage. Is that, I thought I just assumed it was like a fallout shelter or something.

I thought so, too, but by understanding is that that's a parking garage. It's an underground parking garage. They said this or what? Yeah. I think so, yeah. Yeah, and some of the, and other reviews and talking, and I said that it was an underground parking garage. And then it made me think that's, you know, as you look at it,

the way they walk and cover spaces that it is a parking garage. I don't know, you know, how many levels, but you're guessing at least probably, you know, half a dozen to a dozen levels underground, right? Huh, that's, well, a parking garage is not exactly a nuclear fallout resistant. No, but it's got concrete. You know, that's actually some, I just thought of something. That is not something we have had in the Walking Dead before. That'd be cool seeing a nuke go off.

You've not had a nuclear explosion on the Walking Dead before. No. We've had an asteroid hit, right? satellite satellite yeah yeah and nuclear fallout from a reactor

shutting down they're kind of they kind of like this theme it seems like yeah they do funny how that happens weird I know

so anyway at least as we get through the episode you know they all they all live and Teddy is going to try to win Alicia over

I like his character I hope they continue with his you know his brainy cult leader kind of guy. He already, you know, he's got them all in line, man.

He just keeps beating him to death. He's the perfect cult leader, and he keeps beating him to death with the, with the audio tapes as they're working. And, you know, he's got them, he's got his right people out going above ground to kill off and get as much as they can from the people that lived like we used to. Those are, those people are wrong now. I mean, he's I love cult leaders.

I'm all. Yeah. Also, the fight with Alicia and the one guy in the final scene, that was a good fight. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun in the embalming room.

Oh, that was brutal. Yeah, that was so good. Yeah, that was a great fight. And it was fun to see the, you know, the stab in the eye, and then the thumb in the same eye after he pulled it out. Awesome, awesome stuff.

And then her drain it in his blood Yeah, that was awesome. And then, of course, you know, and Teddy already knows, right? That, you know, you come in and you stab him in the head, and then they don't turn. So he takes care of his embalming man as he's trying to, you know, show Alicia what a compassionate ruler he is. Hey, so something that I was thinking about, I just remembered, is when the two brothers were talking, and what's our guy's name? Wes. Wes. He asked his brother, he said, did you had like an infiltrator at the refinery?

And then he just went, blew straight past that and said, did you know that I was there? So I guess the hint was that they did have an infiltrator inside the refinery. Yeah, they did because they triggered an explosion. Right. So where is that infiltrator? Because the group clearly doesn't know where Morgan is. So the infiltrator is still not with them. My guess is they're dead, because I'm betting with these types of people, they're willing to die for the cause.

I mean, let's say we're right about them trying to set off a nuke. Someone has to say behind to set the thing off. My guess is there are people willing to die for the cause. You want to set off an explosion at an oil rig. Someone needs to set it off. Yeah, I mean, yeah. They didn't address that. I'm assuming, yeah, I mean, they obviously don't know where Morgan is, so the infiltrator are still not there, which means that that really was an accident, or it was Daniel's fault that dynamite kicking off last episode.

Right. So they don't have an infiltrator in-house anymore. That makes sense, is that, well, what makes sense is they had the suicide infiltrator, right? A tag town, yeah. So when the show first started, we had a little fun with, uh, the hotness of one character. Oh, geez. And, you know, she looked pretty good last night.

Although which one is, now, you claimed Jason Fault, and I know what you meant in the text that it was someone else. But, Max, you said it was Luciana, right? I think that's who he was talking about. But isn't who we are calling Lucian. Which one is Elthia? Ophelia? No, Althea.

Al. That's Althia. Althea is Al. Right, that's okay. Because I'm thinking, who the hell is Althea? Because I read something about Althea. And I was thinking, oh, no, I thought that was Luciana. Who's Ophelia?

Ophelia is Daniel's dead daughter. Yeah. Was she ever on the show? Yes. Yeah, well, early on. I mean, right, she was part of that. She was part of the trip to Mexico, and, you know, when Daniel, I guess, lost his mind and burned the place down, remember at the drug dealers compound, the drug lord's compound with the lady. Yeah.

That's what he was referencing last week about being crazy. Plus, we see in the promo for next week that they're doing it again. Right? They're talking about grace losing her mind and having amnesia or something. Are you serious? That's what they said. They said, Grace wakes up with the case of amnesia and sees what has become of her friends after she has been gone for years, and she struggles to put the puzzle pieces together on what has transpired.

Okay, they literally have two writing teams, one straight off the set of Young and the Restless, and the other one a little more normal. Right. Because these are ripped straight out of soap operas. Everyone's got to get amnesia at some point. Someone goes crazy. Somebody sleeps with his brother. I know.

I know. I was amazed when I saw the promo. I was like, oh, man, what are you kidding me? And the episode after that is a June episode, it looks like. Yeah. So the episode, the next episode 13 is June splits off from the group in an effort to gather any information to help stop an uncoming threat. So who could that be?

So the next two episodes seem like throwaway episodes to me. That's what it seems like. I mean, we already know June is broke. I mean, that's what she's doing, right? She's running the, you know, the UN hospital in the middle of everybody. So everybody goes to her for help, right? Her and the twins, the trucker twins. Does anybody care about these plot lines?

I mean, June goes off to figure stuff down. The June thing might get them, these might be okay. Come on. They're dumb. Especially after this week. I mean, let's get, let's have the bad people. Let's go. Right.

I mean, you've got enough there. Just run with that. You don't have to do these stupid soap opera plots. I don't know. There better be a lot more going on in those episodes. I don't know. We're kidding. And there's 16 episodes, so we have what?

We have five left. So they better... Better hop to it. I'm kind of digging the nuclear explosion, though. Me too. I'm hoping that happens. That would be great. That would be great.

Maybe like a low-yield explosion is a little smaller than what they thought, but even still, you know, devastating. That'd be kind of cool. A low-yield nuclear explosion would be far worse. for a lot of things because the smaller nuclear explosions means more radiation. Look it up, this troop. The bigger the explosion, the less radiation. No problem, they're rain, man. Yeah.

We got it. Max is totally rain man. I love it. I will leave it at that on talking Walking Dead, although I do want to just a couple of quick thoughts. AMC. There we go. There we go. AMC.

AMCC what are you doing programming, man. Who is running your programming? AMC TV. So last night, they run fear at its regular time. And it's an extra long episode, by the way, and it added an extra 10 or 15 minutes to, you know, advertising time programming. And then the show that they've been promoting,

the gangs of London, one of the top shows now, it's one of their new shows that I've been promoting the heck out of it. It's been really fun to watch. A lot of violence. A lot of craziness. It's been fun to watch. Which might I add, usually comes on right after fear. Correct.

Unless they have their live dead show, which is, you know, talking dead with what's his face? Hardwick. Yeah, Chris Hardwick. And I can't ever remember a stupid name. And, but they haven't been doing that after these regular episodes because it runs on AMC Plus. So it's usually dead, gangs of London, and then a repeat of dead. Or... Motorcycle boy.

Norman Reed. Norman Reedus. Yeah, you know what's his face. Stupid ride show. And then they have another showing of fear. So last night we get fear, and then we get fear again, and then we get Gangs of London. And then we get Fear again. And both shows, Fear and Gangs of London are extra long shows.

I had to stay up extra late. Okay. I had to stay up extra late. I don't believe in what. I could have, you know, obviously. obviously. I don't. You go, I just record it and watch it later. No. No. It's my Sunday night viewing, damn it. Who's running the programming there? Hopefully this is just a one week occurrence. Do you, do you think next week there, it won't be like this? I don't understand. I don't understand.

It's just a lot of inventiveness anyway. Like, oh, crap, what do we do? Let's just play the same show three times that night. Three times in four programming blocks. I'll give you even two in those four. Okay, no problem. Or two in the main three, you know, starting at, you know, television evening watching at, you know, 8 p.m. or 9 p.m. Eastern. But to run them back to back, when you have a new show, I mean, that's just, I mean, did I leave

it on their network? I probably shouldn't have just a piss. off. I thought about that actually is changing the channel just to make a point, but I left it on. So that just ups fears ratings because I didn't watch it. I just left it on.

Has gangs overtaken fear? I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a good point. I wonder if they have. They may have. If they have, I could see playing gangs right after fear. But to me, it's just stupid.

If you're going to have a show discussing fear talking, then it should always come right after the show. Right, which sometimes they don't. They have run fear and then run gangs and then run talking. Yeah. They've done that before too, which, again, I'm with you, kind of dumb. They've done like all three of the scenarios where it's like where it was fear talking and gangs and then fear gangs talking. And then fear, gang, ride.

But when talking's not airing, but there's no ride, there was no ride this week. No, there was not, so there was just another fear. So it was. Dumb. Fear, fear, gang, fear. I usually never watched talking. Like, maybe I would watch, like, the first 15 minutes of it or something. But when they went away from live, it lost all of its appeal for me,

and the rest of whatever I even had for it. But I, like, I'm not going to watch a pre-recorded, badly produced talk show about the show. And the production has actually gotten a little bit better for it, but I'm with you. We must remember this is in Chris Hardwick's words every time recently. Well, everybody, welcome to Talking Dead Home Edition. Yeah, the Home Edition. It kills me. Just kills me.

And just a quick note on it. I know we're breaking away from Dead Talk real quick, but I will say that I saw your review, Jason, of without remorse. Oh, my gosh. on Amazon Prime this weekend. And so I watched it. It took me all day to make it through it. I stopped it multiple times to do other things and then finally got back to it. It was the last thing I watched, the final 45 minutes I watched before I went to bed like late at night and I started it early in the day.

And it was, I was expecting so much better. Did you read the book? No, and that's why I, but I saw your review of it. and it made me wish I had. I was so pissed, man. So, like, let me rant for just really quick. So, like, that book, I got into reading Tom Clancy books when I was deployed overseas. And so I was just, like, powering through them.

And with Howard Morris was awesome. Like, it was probably, it's by far my favorite Tom Clancy book. And it's just such a cool story. And when I heard there, when they announced this show, I was like, okay, cool. Like, I was excited. And I was like, watching that show, it had nothing to be. do with the book? So, like, why would you take the title

and the name of the main character? But Jason, it was based. It was based on the book. No, not at all. It was funny. I actually watched the review. I haven't seen the movie, but I pulled up a review from one of my favorite reviewers and a lot of the comments were

based on a book that the producers and filmmakers didn't even choose to adapt. I don't think they read it. I don't. I don't don't. They just knew the name of the main character and that was it. And they just wrote a completely different story. I mean, I thought that was just a huge dick move to Tom Clancy.

I mean, he'd be so pissed. They had rights to the title and they just used that and made the movie they wanted to make. Yeah. This is a title. He's a cool sounding guy. Let's just take the name. And I was like, what do you do? See, that is why Hollywood is suck right.

It sucks right now. If you want to see a good movie, I mean, I hate to say it, they're all being made overseas. You have to watch dubbing or subtitles, which I hate to do, but there's nothing good coming out of Hollywood right now. Honestly, subtitles doesn't really bug me. Okay, yeah, I can not through them, too, but it's kind of crappy to do it. And plus, and a lot of times, just when they, a lot of the Netflix shows, if you watch the foreign shows and then put it into English, the voices,

like I would watch part of it with subtitles and you get used to the character's voices, the sound of the actual character's voices. And then when you change it to English, the voices don't necessarily match the character. Yeah. It's just weird. And so it's really weird how when you have the voiceover, you know, I could be the voice of, you know, the little kid.

Come here, Bobby. What do you need? Yeah. Yes, Dad. Or Susie. Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. Susie, how was your day today?

Fine. All right, let's get out of here. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition. Be sure to subscribe to Chewing the Fat so you know when every other show drops on the Blaze Podcast Network. Jason, Maximus, thanks, and thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition.