Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E13 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: May 17, 2021

Season Six Episode Thirteen TITLED: J.D.  WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB June splits off from the group in an effort to gather any information to help stop an oncoming threat.  Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 13, titled J.D. Oh, man. Oh, oh, man, J.D. That makes this Talking Walking Dead fear the Walking Dead edition. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher for Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition. The IMDB description June splits off from the group in an effort to gather any of information to help stop an

oncoming threat. Jason? Yeah, not as bad as I was expecting. Really wasn't. I was expecting it to be a dumpster fire as per the trend lately. But it wasn't as bad. In fact, for all the things that they were doing, which is typically

what I like, I like the investigation stuff moving towards the overall plot. I liked. I don't know. Did you guys have a sense of just, I don't know, maybe being slow at times. I don't know. I kept looking at my phone and I was like, oh, that's not a good sign. But it wasn't bad.

Maximus? Well, I said this to Dad and I'll say this to you, Jason. I loved this episode. I actually did. What a surprise. What a surprise. Uh-huh. Let me ask you something.

Max, has the check cleared? Yeah. I told you I didn't like last episode. So what did you enjoy the most of it? One of the big things was definitely how it, like, connected to the previous episodes. Like, especially with the story where John, when he was still alive, was telling the rabbi, the story of his dad and how we framed this guy. And we find out who the guy is is Teddy.

We find out it's Teddy. so it's like just connecting everything that we didn't think we'd even get dots to that's true that's true and it was it was enjoyable i mean uh we had the june and morgan kind of face off a little bit at the very beginning which was uh you know felt uh i don't know if i mean i guess that was that's the way you would feel after something like that happened right they were you know she would have felt that uh you know you could have been there to save the base Maybe, you know, doctor, nurse, June. But really, we know that that wouldn't have mattered.

Right. Oh, I actually like that scene because at this point, we're just sick of the ridiculousness of people like Sherry, people like June. You know, like, there was nothing Morgan was doing right there, but spit in truth. Like, I was like, I wanted him to be cold. I wanted him to slam her and I wanted her to feel all, every bit of that pain. Because, you know, that scene, like, was that, when was that? Was that last season where John was driving? He went along the split and went away from her and basically betrayed him.

That was, that hurt so bad. And I was like, hey. That was so bad. And, like, he was contemplating suicide because of what she chose over him. Not contemplating. He was going to do it. Yeah, he had the steps in mind. He was ready to do it.

until Morgan and Dakota showed up. Yeah, so June, that was her fault. Your fault that it got to that point. It was your fault that you were like, okay, I'm still going to keep doing this stupid hospital thing over everybody else. Yeah, part of this was your fault that they lost the baby. I'm just going to say it, yeah, part of it was your fault.

And I love how she keeps reminding people. There was a scene with, well, there was a scene when she's walking with one of the characters who we'll talk about here in a moment. And she goes, I can look at that. I'm a nurse. We got it. We got it, okay? She keeps driving that home and just drives me insane.

So, you know, then we had the Dwight out there with June and Sherry shows up with Dwight. A little post-business. Yeah, stop trying to pretend like you're only out there scavenging. Yeah, right. Okay. Stop it. As they run out of the bush. Hey, we're just out here looking for pork, you know, beanie weenies.

And then a little of the shootout, she's showing nothing but her chest. Okay. Okay. Okay. With scavenging. By the way, I'm not opposed to those shootouts. Yeah, right. But I like it now.

That's now like code for a little business is scapaging. Oh, we were just out scavenging. Oh, I got you. Wink, wink, wink. I got to scavenging. But no, no, he didn't, except Dwight didn't say that. He said they were trading behind the walls. Yeah, whatever.

Right, whatever. They were trading, all right. But then we run into the motorhome guy, right? We run into the motor home that June finds, and we see that it's Keith Carrady, who I love. I really like Keith a lot. And he plays, he ends up, he's missed, this is the scene that really bugged me a lot. when he takes June, you know, kind of hostage. And, you know, then he talks in this whole scene in the motor home about being a cop and he notices things.

But do you as you took this woman hostage and you still let her have her gun? Okay. All right. I got it. Okay. I mean, that's the first thing he would have done was disdiscuit. armor. Yeah, right, right.

I know, I get the point of we had to see the gun, and we had to see where did you get that gun and the initials on it and, you know, connect the dots, Max, between, you know, father and son. But it was just agonizing that Mr. Cop, I noticed everything, but I left the person I was holding hostage with their weapon. Oh, okay. Right. And how he was so easily disarmed after that.

I love that. I actually love that. Okay. sweetheart you know what i mean that that was good that was pretty funny that was good that was really good but it was nice to see that you know to you know to you know used max's uh phrase connect the dots it was nice to see that we know who the bad guy is and we know that he's been a bad guy forever and you know this guy's out to get him and we get the same framing backstory from the old man that we got from the sun and you know that was kind of nice yeah and

That is interesting. Like, that backstory on the main villain now is I really enjoyed. Like, just hearing that he was, he's always been a cult leader, you know, since the 70s, was it? Or something like that. Yeah, a long time. I like, I like how they're writing that. I really do. It's just like it's eerie and cults are, I don't know, darkly interesting.

Right. As always. And, you know, the top that got him, John Dory Sr., that, like, technically framed him for something. Ruined his life, though. Yeah, it did. Now we know, and he knew he was the bad guy, and he knew he just had to do this one bad thing to get him gone on bars. He just hated doing it. Right.

Right. You know, you do the wrong thing for the right reason, but it never ends up well. Right. I mean, his life was ruined because of it. What's funny is when they had this title for the show, J.D., I thought it was June Dory. And then I noticed that, like, everybody on the show now has the initial. initials, J.D. The father, the son, the wife.

I'm like, on. Right. Come on. Right. Thank you. And we have, you know, I liked, it was good. That's another, just as a side note, it's another person from Deadwood on fear. Yep.

Which was interesting. He said in an interview that I happened to catch after the show on that other show that airs once in a while after the fear. They actually aired it. They actually had an episode. I know. And then there, don't even get me started on the AMC programming again. Don't do it. Because they aired fear and then they aired

talking and then they aired fear again and not gangs of London. I really ticks me off. I don't understand it. And then they heard gang. Is gangs on like a mid-season break or something? No. No. It just, I just...

The new episode are coming on after the replays. And you can watch them all, although I get what they're actually doing, and they're just, what they wanted you to subscribe to AMC Plus, because all the episodes are up on Plus.

I saw, I looked on Plus, and they're all up. So they want you to just subscribe to Plus so you can watch them. And they don't, they don't care about them. All the theater episodes are up on Plus? No, all the, all the gangs of them. Yeah.

Got it. Anyway, so, I mean, they just want you to subscribe to Plus, and they're doing that for fear as well. I get it. And, you know, whatever, it's fine. But he, anyway, he talked about getting when he was asked to do the job to work with Garrett, John Dory, Jr. He absolutely said yes. He said, yeah, I worked with him. You know, he's the reason I had to leave Deadwood after four episodes or, you know, and I definitely want to work with him.

He's a great actor. And then, oh, by the way, yeah, you're not really going to work with him. You're just going to be his dad. That was funny. Yeah. You know, it's funny. And again, I mean, another great character, which I thought for sure I was going to be bummed out again,

that they were killing them off after one episode at the end, right? And they didn't. They didn't. No. We haven't. You're saying, hopefully. That was a surprise because that's their, like, that's just their. Yeah, their modus operandi.

Yeah. That's their outline now. They just say, introduce, like, a big name actor, dead by the end. every time. So now, I mean, if you think about it, what's that? He's going to be the one to kill Teddy. It's my guess.

That'd be good. I don't, you know what's going to? I don't think so. I think Teddy kills him and Morgan kills Teddy. Just a thing. Or June kills Teddy, one or the other. Right? I mean, he's got to lose, right?

His life has got to be worth nothing for the frame. Now, were you expecting June to be dead? at the end of this episode? I was. I was. I absolutely was because she was on the home screen of the open. Yeah. And then you hinted at that in our little text chat.

Yeah. And then they showed, like, I think in a commercial, like halfway into it, that she was going to be on talking. Yes. Oh, crap. Yes. Same thing. And, oh, here we go.

I mean, that's the new hint, right? That's another modus operandi. You're on the home screen. So they threw us off both last night. Yeah, that's good. It's interesting. Yeah, it was really good. And the director, who was really, I really enjoyed hearing from her in the show that follows once in a while.

And she talked about all the walkers in the show had special meetings and all the meetings and all the details that were with the different walkers. That was interesting. That was fascinating because the one walker had, you know, barbed wire wrapped around it for Nigan. And the one walker was the same walker walking the other direction as the end. of Neeg and Dwight. It was just interesting that these walkers, you know, they put so much emphasis on what the walkers meant, you know?

I know. I don't get that. I'm sorry. That's stupid. In a zombie show, you just want to see their guts fly out of their stomach or their brain fly out when they're decapitated. That's all we want. I thought to myself, Jason,

that's so dumb. I don't need art house crap from the walkers. I'm a fan of art house. Hey, I'm a fan of Art Housecraft. I think I am, too. I kind of enjoyed it, too. I want to see their heads blown off in the most gruesome way. Which I also love.

They had a flower in their mouth which signifies, you know, the piece coming. Oh, shut up. Shut up. How about the RV walker, the ones where the guts wrapped around the transmission? That was cool. But what did it signify? It was. I know it looked cool.

No, it actually did signify something. I don't want to know. Shut up. I don't want to. Oh, my God. It actually did it. It was tremendous what she pointed it out. I can't remember what it was now, gosh.

Oh, my gosh. I should have wrote up down. That's what happens when you put non-fans of zombie content. She is a fan, though. I mean, she was a huge. I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I would have done that if I was a fan of the show, but not a fan of zombie, you know, fan culture.

Right, all right. Don't make the zombie stand. Pretty much all of a ton of zombie movies, including Night of the Living Dead, and played a ton of zombie games. Yeah, I'm a fan of zombie culture. I like, and I like of significant meanings. But you're a millennial. No, I'm not. Gen Z.

I'm not a millennial. Oh, yeah, he just bypassed that all together, too. Yeah, never mind. Is it now? Are we already out of millennials? Yeah. Yeah, I'm Z. But you were raised my millennials.

That's doing worse. No, I wasn't. I got news for you. I wish I was a millennial. I bypassed all of those, my friend. Are you not 30, Jeffie? What's going on? What do you call someone that was born pre-1900?

Am I just a turn of the century Z? Is that something like that? I'm not quite sure. Oh, crap. So I'll tell you one of the things that, was less than interesting for me, and I'm not quite sure why we needed it other than, okay, was the Dwight Sherry, I got to go back and kill Negan, then we're going to be in love, and we'll just start over again.

Okay. I mean, you already took care of bidsness out there with the horses, and, you know, and it was cool seeing the horse keeled over in dead, too, although it made no sense why she was wanting to kill the horse like that. I guess it signified her life. Oh, that's what you do when you put down horses. No, I mean, there was no point in her driving the horse to his death. The whole thing.

She was just in a hurry. I didn't really get that either. I think I was looking at my phone at that point. I started tuning out the entire Sherry Dwight, like, oh, I'm leaving. I'm going to go kill Negan. I just did not care. I was like, I don't care. Yeah, that's a fun part of this episode, which is really,

And it was reversed at the end, you know, like... Right. Anyway, yeah, it was like, it was just more of... Go ahead. I mean, it would have been a way if she had gone to connect the shows, though. Yeah. That'd be interesting. Yeah.

So, I mean, she could just disappear and, you know, a year from now, show up with the stories of what's happening there. Something like, they would connect the shows, you know. It's crazy. where they've gotten to this point in fear. That's one of the main things I look for in watching the show, is how are they going to tie the two plot lines together? Yeah.

I keep looking for that. They really need to start doing that more, I think, just to keep our interest in it, at least the old school fans. I don't think the new school fans really care, but for people like us. Well, I mean, they're still going to be, you know, trying to tie it together with the movies. So, I mean, they've got to connect them. They have to. We got the cult episode.

We did get some references to CRM. Yeah. And we saw in the preview for next week where we're going to get a flashback on Teddy. It's a Teddy episode. You know, before his breakout of prison and what happened when the world went to hell. The entire episode is a flash? I don't know that. I don't think so, but the opening is.

The title of the show is, oh, the title is, oh, no, that's the next episode, right? 15. The next episode is Mother. Alicia is held prisoner by Teddy. There she reunites with old friends and must confront her past as she hopes to move on and escape. So it's going to be Teddy and Alicia, yeah. That's interesting to me. Yes.

I'm in on that. I'm in too. And so then the next episode, episode 14 is called Mother, and that's where they, I mean, called USS Pennsylvania. So that's the sub, right? Yeah. So. So next week they set up what they really want to do, which I assume is blow up the world.

We all think in the nuke. We're all thinking the nuke. Right. Yeah. Long live petty. The end of the beginning, everybody. Yes. It should be really cool.

I mean, hopefully, after last, this week was okay. It was okay. I'm okay with that. I mean, you know, we got to see. I think I would have also been okay, although I'm happy that he's still alive for the show. I would have been okay with John Sr. dying on Jr.'s grave.

That would have been, the symbolism, yeah. That would have been nice. It would have been okay, but it just would have been so typical of how they screw with. I know, I know. It would have been typical, but I'm glad he's still alive. So I think, ooh, maybe Teddy and John Dory senior kill each other. That would be interesting. Yeah, and that very well may happen.

That very well may happen. I hope they use, I hope they use Jenna Elfman a whole lot more and not in like an annoying way, like, you know, what she did with John, Jr. because like I was like I don't know what the deal was I don't know if I was just getting emotional or what or at the state I was in. Oh my God. But when she was reading that letter, I was like, I was serious. I was. I was serious.

I was. It was good. Like you usually don't get that level of acting on this show. So I was, it was very noticeable. Never mind. Just forget the fact I said emotional. You just don't get that level of acting on this show. That's a better way to put it.

Shut up. I can see your smug little face. I'll let you to discuss your little heartfelt bull crap, and then I look at back to the show. Oh, my God. They had their funeral and their eulogy. It was so touching. Shut up. Can we go back to talk about Sherry and how hot she looked and that would see?

Oh, you, Dad, don't you love the notebook. I read the letter, and it was so touching. I finally got it shot. Wait, what's that? Jeff is a fan of the notebook? I do love the notebook. Yeah, but I love what's her face. Oh, oh, sure.

You like the girl in it. Shut up. Shut up. Don't start bogging people down with facts, Max. Okay. So we had, I did like the, you know, it was nice to see finally, I guess, have, you know, our closing moments with with junior right i mean we're we're now we can we can move on and worry about teddy and worry about the end of the world coming after the end of the world um i did find and it was

and it was funny ish when uh john locked june in the john uh thank you here i'll wait um them. But I did there's another thing. Oh my gosh. We go to the store, which is, you know, they set up with if it's still there, if it hasn't been burned down and things change so much. And there's still stuff there?

Oh, yeah. That's the one John always went to when he was still living in heaven. I know that, dear, but the point is that there's still, we've had Virginia and her crowd go through that. We've had our crowd go through that store, and there's still medical supplies there.

Medical supplies, yeah. That's what I was like, oh, come on. Come on now. No way. You couldn't find alcohol in any store during the whole two-week lockdown period, you know, around this area. But zombie apocalypse. In real life, right. Let's go down to the bait and beer store and get some alcohol.

It's like, show God. There's no same thing. John was there the whole time. John and June were there. Virginia and her crowd were there. Morgan and his crowd were there. And we still, we'll just leave it there for someone else. I wouldn't give it a pass if it was just John.

Because John doesn't like taking more than he needs. So if it was just John living there, you could give that a pass. The rest I... But it wasn't. Yeah, the rest I have to it. Thank you. I mean, that's almost as bad as the police of... I was a cop for you.

I noticed things. Do you? But you go ahead and keep your weapon as I have you hostage. Okay. All right, thank you. But, look, it was an enjoyable episode. for sure. And it was, you know, it was fun.

It was fun. And we are building up finally, right? It didn't seem like it was a complete wasted episode, which was a bonus. That was a bonus. Yeah, last episode, the only thing that really built everything up was the baby dying and then them getting the key. Right. Now, I will say, Elfman on the show that followed, talked about how struck she was with how evil Virginia was on her first episode.

And I thought, I must have missed that episode. Because, no. You know, when she came in and jumped off her horse and she was in charge of the, you know, the cowboy con people, she wasn't scary at all. Not at all. No.

Well, while I agree with that, I definitely 100% agree with that. I don't, I think we're a little spoiled because I don't think anything can beat the introduction of the Saviors and Negan. I don't think anything can beat that. I can't think of every single, besides Metro Negan, let's just pretend he never happened. But every other villain has been a lot more scary than her. Every single one. I can't think of another one, because she was just so goofy. What I can think of one?

Uh, the, the crazy lady who kept, who poisoned the water bottles. Remember her? Oh, yeah. She was just annoying. Like, even still, she seemed more, she seemed more dangerous. Yes, she was more dangerous. And she wasn't leading a group, right? She was just a crazy lady out killing people.

Yeah. Uh, you know, and because we had, you know, when you go back to the very beginning, I mean, we had what the drug lords, right, that Daniel burned in his, off mental state and then we had the ranchers and we had the guy at the other dam that Daniel

was with right the crazy guy in the wheelchair that needed surgery yeah the drug lords that got us into Texas who else I don't even remember that might be it but even if you just go across shows like if you go to the

walking dead you know I mean I think that's what that's what makes it even worse because that's what we that was what we originally got started on so like people like the governor you know you know the whisper or Snegan I mean even the people at the

eating people city Terminette. Oh Terminix yeah that was good. That was great I mean who I mean you never you never forget Rick in the train car you know they're messing with the wrong group of people to this day man to this day like I hate always talking about that episode but I mean right before

that mid-season finale, I think it was the mid-season finale when they're just getting, they're all lined up and they're about to get, like, they're in a slaughterhouse, about to get ripped apart. I know. Dude, you could feel that tension. You just don't get that in episodes nowadays. You don't. No, you don't.

And that's really strange that you don't. And that's something hopefully fear is building up to. Let's hope that they can pull that off. Don't pull. Let's hope that they can pull that off. I know. I want them to. Can you imagine there's a, oh, can you imagine a tie?

This is how I think it might be. There's a timer and the nuke's about to go off. And you have people that we're trying to get the, you have two options. Run and see if you can get out of the area or try to stop the nuke. How do you think that will go and if that happens? Hopefully that's a good tension thing. I'm curious what they're doing with that for sure.

Like I don't know if they're just going to be getting nuclear weapons from the submarine or if they're going to, I think a bigger catastrophe would be like if the nuclear reactor went thermal. Because that would be, you're looking at my, more of like a Chernobyl type thing right there that would be a lot more devastating but i don't know i don't i'm curious for sure it's a submarine i don't think it would have a nuclear reactor it would more have oh yeah that's what they have it's a nuclear sub it's a nuclear sub that's a nuclear sub that's what they have we don't have any more non-nuclear subs and we couldn't uh no we've sold those to uh Taiwan and south korea no more diesel engines on u.s they're all nuclear

Like the documentary down Periscope on the show does. Yes. That's very informative. That's why we can't kill off Grace though yet, right? Because she's the only one that has info on the nukes. That's true. Yeah, she did work on her nuke. So maybe she dies saving the crowd with the reactor.

That's a very good point. She's absolutely your exigates, really spot on. That's got to be her role. deactivating that or doing something with it. Yeah, and going in and knowing she's going to die, and that's just, you know, like the guys in in Russia, right, that just walked in and they knew they were going to die, but they had to go in. It was just part of the deal. Anyway. I know what, hold up.

You are really on to something there. I mean, I hope we know they listen to our show anyway, but that would be almost like a creation, a recreation of that would be a hell of a season finale. Yes, it would. Now, here's the question. I've seen a lot of people talking about this now. since we got introduced to John Dory Sr. and we know his history with Teddy, do you think Teddy is going to die this season or next season?

This season. Oh, you've got to kill him off this season, right? I don't think they make him a long-term villain. I don't even think he's worth that, really. But I think he's interesting for a season. I don't think he's worth multiple seasons. Absolutely. But, I mean, we've got to shut that.

Let's get rid of the parking garage and the poop place. plants and the Walker plants and let's move on. Move on to CRM. That's the guy to be going on. Yeah. This is fun, but you need to be using this as a vehicle to get to more CRM stuff. Well, as soon as we get to CRM, that's World Beyond. Yeah, well.

Yeah, well. I don't care about World Beyond, but I do care about CRM stuff. All right. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition. Jason Buncho, Maximus Fisher. We'll be here every week. Make sure you subscribe. If you're listening to this right now.

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