Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E14 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

TALKING WALKING DEAD: Fear Edition… Season Six Episode Fourteen TITLED: Mother WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher. EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB Alicia is held prisoner by Teddy; there, she reunites with old friends and must confront her past if she hopes to move on and escape.  Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 14, titled Mother. Just another fantastic episode of Fear the Walking Dead, and that makes this Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher, and that open had Alicia on the cover. Was it her death knell? No. We don't know. Pretty close, though.

So, quick thoughts, Jason? I want to apologize for those that are actual fans of the show that tune in to this podcast, and you've got to hear me complain and moan about it. I really want. But however, I am going to. I really wanted to like this episode, and I wanted to like it even from the opening scene, which I really like the opening scene with the, you know, her laying

there, and you could tell they're trying to indoctrinate her, you know, with his recording on in the background. Yeah, that's the thing. I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, like that. But then it's like, it's so hard to get into that. It's like, I understand what they're trying to do, but their actual implementation of it sucks, as usual. Like, why would you make it seem like this guy's so charismatic?

And he's like a Jim Jones type dude or David Koresh, but he's so obviously just loony tunes insane. Like, who's following that guy and believing what he's throwing out there? Well, I mean, we saw, right? I mean, we saw people like Dakota, you know, that have been lost in the woods, lost in the ether of the new world. Yeah. Okay, whatever.

I'm sorry. I'm just like some of these guys that are like level-headed, like that dude's brother. Do you realize people like this exist in the real world and actually people follow them? This isn't all fictional. From, no, cults, yes. But from a total Looney Tunes cartoon character? No, I don't think so. Like, he is a cartoon character.

That's how he's, and the actor's good, so I don't, I assume they're wanting him to act like this. Yeah. But he's so Looney Tunes cartoon, it just brings me out of it every time. I thought this episode should have been named Mother. I should have been named fortuitous because I kept on saying in the back of my head, oh, wow, that's fortuitous that that happened. Oh, wow, well, that's fortuitous also that that happened. What do you know?

What are the odds? Anyway, that's my opening remarks. Max, I liked it. I actually, I thought it was a pretty good episode. Wow, that's a surprise. I never would have thought Maxis. How fortuitous. How fortuitous.

Is it okay? But no, I thought it was good. I like Teddy. I do. I think he's a pretty good character. I can't wait to see what happens when him and John Dory Sr. meet. That should be fun. Or meet again.

Yeah. The opening scene with him in the prison was great. I love that scene. Wasn't expecting the ending, honestly. The ending was interesting. Oh, and I know I'm getting a little ahead of ourselves, but it was finally confirmed. We were right about the nukes. Yeah, I mean, that was, they definitely, I mean, how fortuitous.

You're right. Yes, absolutely. And that's, you know, that's definitely the deal. I'm with you a little bit, Jason, but, you know, I mean, the cartoon character is kind of what you're going to get out of a cult leader at that time, right? I mean, he was on death row. I love the beginning in the prison. That was awesome. And they did it really, when you look at the articles on the wall, you know, against John Dory, the officer and all that.

I mean, that was a great, I enjoyed that scene very much. That whole prison scene was really good. And it made him realize that his wackiness could survive in the new world, right? And it has. I was right. I was right. I just needed to be patient. I love that line.

See, okay. Yeah, I like that scene as well, and that leading into Alicia laying on the ground and getting... Right, right, right. It was great, yeah. That was, but my, yeah, and I thought it was so cool, like, see, that's the things we wanted to see from fear, like in the beginning. Yes. Like, what would happen in a day. I thought the same thing that television report was exactly what we wanted.

Yeah, I know. And we got it. At least we got some of it. But then again, but what pissed me off was how, again, that's when I started seeing the loony tunes of this guy. Like he's giggling while he's curled up. You know what I mean? And like, I'm just like, oh, come on, man. Like, I don't know.

I just wish they wouldn't go there. I was, you ever been on death row before, Jason? My gosh, man. There was that one time when I visited you was the only time. And I appreciate it. Thank you. That meant a lot to me. I know.

I'm kind of with you, but I did enjoy. I mean, for the most part, I enjoy. I enjoyed the I enjoyed the episode It was You know It was I figured that it was They threw a curve a little bit

With the what's his name? Cody Cole Cole Yeah Cole And his You know Strange group

Seems like I mean They were out there Surviving on Just being marauders Right Yeah Since the stadium

It seems like They would have have either grown or been killed off by now. But, you know, okay. You're not living off truck tires. Well, then again, though, the thing is they're by the stadium. So the only real threat they had before everything went to hell there was Metro Negan. So probably not that big of a deal.

So that was, and that's a good point, they didn't have much of fear from those types of villains. Um, that was fortuitous part number two for me. Pretuitous part one was Dakota just showing up, you know, hey, what luck, you know, you showed up right when we're going out. Um, she goes along. That was her, that was her plan, though. That's what she said, right? She got in with, uh, with the cult, you know, the, the cult members were out, uh, you know,

I guess dancing in the road collecting people that believed in them. I don't know where they're getting all these people, but they're getting them. And she just happened to jump on the truck right when Alicia was getting let out for the first time to go. Remember what Teddy said. He sees these things as signs. Remember, Teddy did say that. Yeah, Jason. Oh, yeah.

And then the Cole thing, again, fortuitous part number two, the entire point that Teddy is, is that his name? Yeah. That Teddy wanted to prove through another way just happened to be better with Cole miraculously showing. up members of her group. I was like, oh, come on. Like, it seemed like a bad reality show that you know is scripted when it's not supposed to be so obviously scripted. Right.

That's why, like, I was half thinking maybe Cole is working with Teddy because this is just so perfect for what he's trying to do. That's true. It was, it was that. I enjoyed the, you know, him going. And you look back at him getting the course. that he said was his mother that we find out wasn't. But, I mean, he gave that corpse an awful lot of love for not being mom.

But, I mean, I guess that's what every mortician does. Well, he was also, well, he was also trying, again, trying to prove a point. So I love that one scene where Cole's shooting the corpse. And he's just like, like, what freaking psycho are you? And he's like, I'm not the one shooting shotgun shells on a corpse. That was good. I actually laughed out loud to where my wife walked in from the kitchen, like trying to see what I was watching when the corpse flew out of the back of the truck

and he was like, mother! Actually cracked up hard at that. And I hope, just as a, you know, to wrap up your little story, that you then sent your wife back to the kitchen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Those sandwiches aren't making themselves, dear. Thank you. Come on.

Snacks have not arrived yet. Yes, I'm laughing out here. That always goes over great, by the way. I love that. Man. So anyway, it was, I would have been, and then we get into, we have the coal people, and we get into the, you know, we talk about the corpse and then Teddy, and he's, I, I thought in the end,

okay, these people have been out for quite some time out of the, and they were there at the stadium and then they'd been out of the stadium. It seemed to me that they would have fought better against a couple of walkers. Yeah. They got decimated. It seemed like it was too easy for them to die like that. I'm sorry. Come on, they've been out there for a while.

At least Cole got a cool death. I was actually expecting Alicia to let him live and then just bang. Yeah, that was nice. What I thought was the, I don't know, if hubris is the right word. but the confidence of the show creators just think that they could just re-address these characters and we wouldn't have any idea who the hell they are. I know.

I was like, like, they thought that the show was so great during that time. Instantly, we'd have total recall and they're like, oh, that's who this, that's ours. I know. I know. Even Maximus. Even Maximus. I got to find out who these people are.

I was there during that time. I jumped into the show during that time. And it could have been anyone, any one of that crowd, they pull out of their butts for us to bring back, right? Right. So I looked it up. I'll admit I haven't seen season four in a long time, so bear with me on this. But so apparently Cole was one of the main side characters during the stadium era when,

and he was in like six or seven episodes, and then he supposedly died with the rest of the stadium when they all got walker-fied before Madison burned it down. Right. And I love the definition, main side character. Oh. Oh, okay. That is the, that's kind of the term now. He's just the guy in the crowd.

Right. I mean, they pulled anybody out. But main side character is like 99% of all the characters on this show now. Right. Could describe them all that way. I mean, every walker on the show is the main side character. And there's almost more attention if a walker is going to get killed than any of the side characters are going to get killed. killed, or even some that they think are main characters.

To call people, the stadium people, I mean, I'll even give you barely cared that they lived long ago. I could give a flying crap now. I know. I think one theory people have,

and they will say this every episode all people, but specifically this one, because of the title of it and what the promo was, a lot of people thought, oh, that means this episode, Madison's coming back. Yeah.

Oh, man. I would have turned it off. That would have been. Straight turned it off. I think it's hilarious how they keep on going back to these little lineups. Oh, we had some success with the first one. Now let's just have one every other episode. That little lineup, just like in the last line was.

I loved Teddy. I can't deny it. I love Teddy sitting down in like the Chris cross-second. Yeah, that was amazing. Oh, he wasn't sitting in Indian style. Oh, sorry. How dare you. I cannot.

I know. Chris cross applesauce. It was a joke. Chris cross applesau. But I just, I love that. I love that part where he's just sitting there. Can you imagine Teddy in the Nigan lineup and he's just sitting there where everybody else is on their knees? That be great.

But you're right. That lineup, I mean, we just keep seeing lineups like that's the success. No? There needs to be tension. It's like the entire time I was thinking about it. It worked amazing. I'm like. Okay, there is a lineup.

Who do I really care if one of them gets offed? Do I care if Teddy gets off? No. No. Do I care if, uh... Dakota? Dakota? No.

Do I care about Alicia? Not really. A little? A little more? Little more. But they hardly ever show her. So it's like... The funny thing is, you guys are...

You guys, this includes me. I'm with you guys. I'm just saying we're in the minority of not really... you're liking Alicia. Okay. Okay. I don't know who these people are. Like, the most vocal, like, on social media and stuff, I don't think that, like, because

every time I comment and complain about this, usually everyone says, oh, yeah, I don't, I don't watch the show anymore, you know, yeah, I don't care either. But they're not the ones that are, like, posting, oh, my gosh, great show, so tense. Alicia, thank God she didn't get hit. I don't know. What are the ratings? Have you checked the ratings on this show? They're so good.

Really? I have not. I have not. I have not looked at them in a while. I will do that. I will cover the ratings next show and next episode. I'll break them down. I'll take a look at them because before the last time I looked, the numbers on the cable were not that strong.

But again, it goes back to people. Then they broke it down with delayed watching and AMC Plus subscribers. right so I don't know how many I don't think we get the breakdown of how many AMC plus subscribers are actually watching that show I mean they have those numbers but they're not sharing them but it'd be you know so they there it's easy for you to figure that all I think they have six million subscribers now something like that I know their goal was in the next couple years to be at 10 I think or at least between six of nine.

So, you know, they will, all those numbers mean to them, everyone's watching each one of their shows. It's a weird, their fan base is so weird, I think, for fear. Because you got people like us, right? And probably a lot of people that listen to the podcast that are old timers on the show. Absolutely. We're here forever. Yeah, and we're going to keep watching it. And in my case, complain about it.

I'm not going to stop watching. I'm literally only there Because I started something that I'm gonna finish And I'm holding out hope That they show how the shows tie together Yes Well, here's the thing, we get it But hang on say

But then you have a new audience That they actually maybe have fallen in love with these characters And they really do care about them I'm just curious like which Demographic is larger I guess Is it us or is it the brand new viewers that really care about Alicia.

I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, I don't know. And then, I mean, for them, that's a difficult question because they've got to try to please both sides, right? And I think maybe that's where the newer shows come in, pleasing the new crowd and bringing in the old audience to say,

yeah, well, okay, we're here. We're here. We're watching. Yeah, but, yeah, I agree with you guys. They have to try to balance new viewers with the old school ones. But a lot of people want Madison back. A lot of people have said since Madison died, they want her back. She shouldn't have died.

Like everyone was calling it a mistake when it happened. All right. Well, let's do a scientific poll here on Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition right now. This is a very scientific poll. Jason, do you want Madison back? Hell no. Maximus, do you want Madison back? Not really.

Jeff Fisher, do you want Madison back? No, 100%. We do not want Madison back. There you go. That's official. It's a very scientific poll that we polled humans, actual viewers, different demographics, actual male viewers of the show, 100%. No. Now, you should post a poll.

When you post this podcast on Twitter, you should put that poll up there and then tag all the Walking Dead stuff. So maybe we can get some people that haven't listened to the podcast, which I don't think there's that many in the world that haven't heard this podcast. But maybe we'll find some people like Somalia or something, you know. There are some people in Djibouti. Yeah. There's a couple. Yeah, yeah.

On the island of Guam, there might be like a little subsection of the population I haven't heard. It's possible. It's possible. But maybe that can help us figure out some of this, like, audience, you know, in the demographic breakdown. I really am curious because I don't know if it's if we are carrying this show forward, the diehards, or if it's these people that actually want Madison back. I don't know.

Right. I don't know. Right. So we got to see that since we moved out of the parking garage now, we know that we're headed toward the bunker underneath the hotel, right? That was a nice hotel. I wonder where that's at. I tried looking for it. I think it was...

It's just up the road to the left. No, I tried actually... I tried looking up like the Fear Hotel and everything else. I think, I don't know if that's a real place, but... Well, the only hotel... And I'm not sure that it's a real place either. But I think... I mean, I know there's a hotel with the bunker that they talked about with that storyline in West Virginia.

Yeah, the Greenbrier. But that's not Texas. So it could be a mismatch. of actual place and a made-up place for fear. I don't know that. But it was cool. Let's see.

And we've got the crazy man locks Alicia up at the end. And we have two episodes left to find out how we wrap up season six. And both of those episodes are we take next week off. They take next week off because, you know, I guess it's a holiday. Yeah, it's Memorial Day. I want to find out, I hope they explained the Dakota thing because the last time we saw Morgan was saying, yeah, thanks, but no thanks, we're not there yet,

you know, when she kept saying I want to help. Right. So I guess she snuck out, that's what I'm assuming, to go do this. Okay, maybe she snuck, here's my theory. We might get it proven or disproven later. She went out, she snuck out or left to help and actually try to figure out what the heck was going on with the end is the beginning people. Then she met up, found them, because honestly it's probably not that hard to find them after a while with all the slogans.

You just track them. Then when she decided, okay, I'm going to fake joining up. Then when she did, she met Teddy, and she actually believed what he was saying. I buy that theory. That she turned because she realized that Teddy was making him. more sense than Morgan. And she's the perfect candidate

for a cult member. Yeah. I mean, she's had a screwed up life. Just wants to belong. Yeah. And so, I mean, I buy that theory a lot. That she went out with good intentions and, you know,

obviously got turned around again. Yeah, she, her explanation of, uh, that she realized she would never be part of the other group and she has a chance to be a part of a group here. I mean, it makes me think that that is what's happening. I think there's still a small possibility that she's really just working an angle and trying to get inside to try and do something.

There's a possibility. I thought that too until she, you know, until she pulled the gun on Alicia. Right? Because when we already knew, he had already told Alicia what the deal was, right? what because uh you know she had earned the truth today according to teddy and so she knew what the keys were for and so you know to alicia i no longer need you i should i'm gonna kill you now and then Dakota pulls the gun on her i mean that's that's a case she needs to die yes she will okay everybody already wanted her wants her dead for killing john but then they went then they some people

were like, okay, Virginia died, okay, but we still kind of want Dakota dead. Now, I'm betting people are even more pissed at Dakota more than they already were. I mean, I'm, yeah, I mean, I barely care that she was alive now. But if we're going to turn her character into that, she definitely needs to die soon. Yeah. Have a nice day. Sorry. You killed John now that.

I mean, she disturbs that. I don't care what kind of redemption arc if they would have planned something for her. She still needs to die. Yes. Now, one thing I heard people say, which I told Dad this, I wanted to hear your opinion on this, Jason. If Nick was still alive, do you think he'd buy into the end as the beginning? Probably. Who?

At one point, yeah. I don't remember his mindset when he died. At one point, yes. Yeah, the mindset when he died, he was giving up the smoking Walker brains, and he was working on Morgan's. Zen book, Zen book, right? Oh, I know. So he might be, you know, practicing with his own staff on top of the dam with Morton.

That would actually be cool. I'm sorry. Speaking of Dory, John Dory, the actor, what, do you know his name? Garrett Dillan. So he was in that Army of the Dead. Yes, we saw, we watched that. We watched that. Army of the Dead was good.

Oh, my gosh. It was awful. What? Oh, my gosh. It was a fun ride. It was a good ride. Come on. It was just a fun ride.

It was a parish of action movies or zombie movies if they were making fun of them. Or I couldn't tell the entire time. No, Snyder was completely serious with it. He wanted to tell that story. All right. Oh, my gosh. You are, I don't know what. I like Barbie of the dead.

I don't know. I don't know what's happened to you. The wife is coming out of it. the kitchen and now you this uh why you guys are liking so many these episodes oh come on it has destroyed you army of the dead was a fun ride that was a fun ride i i i enjoyed it it doesn't have to be real and and there was so much of it we're not going to start i am not going to dutch you can listen to chewing the fat with for an actual review uh on monday's podcast oh i'm coming on that one i'm coming on that one

So we have two episodes left of fear. We have the USS Pennsylvania and the beginning. So we'll, you know, the final two episodes of season six coming up next week we're off. I would like to read you a couple things that was pointed out to me on Twitter over the weekend. It was sent to me from Anna, thank you, saying, hey, didn't you guys talk about this on Talking Walking Dead? And the answer is, why yes? Yes, we did. Our operating principle right now is single hours that are very different week to week,

Gimple said. We left the door open to tell longer, maybe multi-episode stories in the universe. We want to keep it really flexible. But to start out with, we want a bunch of very different stories where the audience isn't going to know what to expect. It's a grab bag, an anthology spin-off. Huh. Huh. For the anthology series they announced.

Huh. And it's called Tales. I would like to say, just a little credit. Right. Yeah, what do you think? Robert, Scott, just a little, just throw talking walking dead of bone, just a little bit. Because remember, we talked about this when it first was announced a couple months ago. Yes, but not more into the specifics of what they were doing was exactly what we had said should happen to all these shows.

and remember we were doing that when we talked about how they should end up with fear, which they ended up doing. So I'd just like to say, just throw it up. I'll even one up that. Two words. Royalty chicks. I think that is deserved. Yes.

I mean, they're talking about returning of the prequels and fleshing out characters, and whoever lives through 11 could come back, and it doesn't even matter. matter if you're alive because they could bring you back as a prequel. I mean, we, like, I, every, like, everybody wants a Negan making the Savior's miniseries. Everybody wants that. I'm, I'm okay. I'm not opposed to a royalty check, just to be on Jason's side. I'm not opposed to that, but I will take just, you know, just to.

Oh, I have, Scott, just, just to, you know, I was listening to one of our fan podcasts of Talking Walking Dead, and I thought, You know, that's a pretty good idea. So I called up Robert and Robert said, you know, that's a great idea. And we got to work on it. What do you say? Just to think. That's all. That's all.

Now, I have questions to ask you, Jason, and you, Dad. I asked you one of them before. One, that involves this show. Do you think the nuke will go off by the end of the season or do you think will stop the nuke? Oh, no. I already, I predicted that last week. Go ahead, Jason. I predicted that last week.

I figured that it was not going to go off, and it was going to be leaking stuff, and that's why we sent what's her face in, because she's the only one that knows about the nukes, and she's going to die in the sub. And that's going to be the end of grace, for sure. It is very fortuitous that they have someone that has dealt with nuclear fallout before.

It is, isn't it? It's already poisoned. She's already lost a kid. She's already distraught. Yeah, she's gone. Have a nice day. Now, the other question, oh, sorry, Jason. I think that, I don't know if they have the balls for a detonation. I don't think they have the balls for that.

But some kind of fallout, I think, would make a lot of sense. Yeah. So that's what I think I'm predicting, is something happens, and there is some kind of radiation fallout. Yeah, I think I can agree with that. I don't know if they'll do the whole giant mushroom cloud, kaboom. But they should, because that would be cool. That would be cool. Although we could have a giant explosion with the torpedoes that explode or something that, you know,

that's when, maybe that's when Grace goes in and, you know, saves them by shutting down the actual reactor. You know what I mean? But the explosion would give you some fallout, right? Yeah. Where they have to move. They can't be, they can't be where they're at. Yeah. And then the other question is a theory I've had for a while.

I've told you guys this and you always dismiss. it, but there's a theory going around that Daryl will die in season 11, and that that whole Carol Darrell spin-off show is just a ploy saying, oh, it's not actually a Daryl show is not happening. We just announced it to make you all think Daryl has plot armor. It's an interesting theory. Darrell and Carol sounds like an idiotic show to me. I already can't stand them together as it is the way it's gotten. So everything around, can you imagine it?

It would literally be Ozzie and Harriet. They're constantly thickering and fighting and splitting up and coming back together. And that sounds atrocious. So I'm not on board with that. Unless they change somehow. But I guess I could see that towards the end. of the season? They better not do it in the beginning

because he's one of the only interesting characters left. We're there. We want to see that survival with him through his eyes. Right. Yes. So if it's in the first half, you're committing show suicide on that. Plus, they could still pull off the

using, going back to Gimple's you know, anthology of prequels and everything else. They could still pull off a couple of seasons with Daryl and Carol as when they were alive. before they died when he was in the wood with the house, and she was coming to rescue him.

And then there was also that year and a half period where they were just together, killing walkers and living life. And that could be the, you know, that could be a show as well. You know, it would be instead of, you know, now, it would be, you know, five years ago. Right. You know, pre-death. So they could pull that off, too.

I got to tell you, I don't mind if the majority of the characters die by the end of season 11. I don't know. I want Judith to stay alive. She's one of the only ones that I really hope stays alive. She's the future, right? She's my future. Yeah. I wouldn't mind it if Negan died. Oh, he could die. Yeah, I hope he has a great season with a lot of him in it. But at the end, I mean, this is the end, so I don't care if most of them die. Yeah, let's wrap it. And that's what, I mean, for the most part at the, you know, end of times, that's what's going to happen. I mean, they're staying alive, but they're staying alive to fight for the future, knowing that death is impending, right? I know.

Really, we all are in real life, just to throw it out there. I know in the comics, it ends with, like, Rick dying, and Carl being, then it skips time to Carl over, I think, 20 years later, and Carl is still living happily in the Commonwealth, Alexandria, kingdom, hilltop community, and it's giant now, and they're all together, and they haven't seen a walker in years. Yeah, I'm okay with that being Judith instead of Carl. And like Glenn Jr. Yeah.

Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah, that's good with that. No problem. All right, so we'll see you in two weeks after the next few years. So we'll take, all right, fine. Go ahead, celebrate Memorial Day. Take it off.

Have fun. Do what you got to do with your family. but remember that Talking Walking Dead is here. So thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Be sure to subscribe. You can do that on any of the bio links on my social media. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher. Thank you so much.

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