Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E4 - Talking Walking Dead: Who Killed Cameron?

Episode Date: November 2, 2020

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD SEASON ONE EPISODE FOUR TITLED: THE KEY Who Killed Cameron? Is our title to the show… Today THIS IS TALKING WALKING DEAD / TALKING FEAR and a little World… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB FEAR John is settling in as one of Virginia's rangers when a mysterious death sends him on an investigation that makes him question everything he thought about himself. Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future may hold in the aftermath of the Coronavirus pause for AMC and The Walking Dead Universe… Talking Walking Dead / Fear / World Beyond will be as needed in the Universe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 4, The Key for Fear, the Walking Dead. That makes this talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher for fear. John is setting in as one of Virginia's Rangers when a mysterious death sends him on an investigation that makes him question everything he thought about himself. That's what IMDB. said. We can

cover the whole thing, but it really should have been either who killed Cameron, should have been the title, or maybe you know, we go back to the old you know, Quinn Martin production tonight's episode.

Death of a copper. A death of a law man. So, first impressions, Jason. I like that. It was a little less going on. So I love these standalone episodes, but then when you don't get like a payoff at the end, like, you know, more of this is what we're driving to towards the grand finale. So at times,

it kind of felt like it dragged a little bit, but it was like a Western detective story. Yeah. Really? So it was interesting change of pace, I guess. Yeah, I agree with you, Jason. I thought it was really good. And with the whole Western, Who's the Murderer, was a really cool thing. And it was Good seeing John again. We hadn't seen him in a while, so that was good. Yeah, it was nice. It was nice to see that. Go ahead.

I'm sorry. Well, I said last week that it appeared like John had bought in. And I guess that was kind of the whole point of this episode. Yeah. He was like, he was turning a blind eye to how jacked up this group is. And he was just focusing on making the community feel safe. But then towards the end, you know, he's like, okay, what the heck am I doing? Like, yeah, I mean, he's sold out all the way.

He's sold out all the way. I mean, even in his letters, right? The letters which, you know, obviously were being read by the premier, Ginny, the world leader. But, you know, he bought in 100%. He even said in his letters, some of our freedoms are as okay to give up. Well, wait. Right.

Okay. Thank you. And then it cracks me up how, like, Hollywood will do these themes. You know what I mean? Right. And they don't realize what they're doing. Right. Except John decided against it.

Right. That's the point, though. I mean, that's the whole thing, right? They do the theme, and it's like the theme is freedom. And yet, that's not what they fight for in real life. But that's another story. Sorry. I don't need to take Talking Dead Down, Talking, Walking Dead down.

My bad. But it's true. Agonizing. And we got to start out with, you know, the episodes, started and ended with Morgan, so it keeps him involved, which was good to see. And, you know, obviously the key, that was the whole point, right, was the, John gets the key to the city and becomes part, you know, his, for selling out for the, you know, the premier, the world leader, Jenny, he gets a key and she brings the wife back.

She brings everything. Funny how that works out in a communist society, how the oligarchs run everything. Anyway, no, no, sorry, I didn't mean to go down that road. Now you're doing it. And so, I mean, there's big trouble of brewing, right? I like that. What's with all the key symbolism? Like, it's everywhere.

I know. I'm not real sure. That's the key on the flag, right? And the key of the city. And then we have the key for the sub. Yeah. I don't know. Really, we have the key to my heart.

Yeah, the keys, like, so the different colors are, like, rank, I'm assuming? Yeah, I guess. Maybe. Because he already had a key at the beginning. Yeah, but that's just a lawman key, right? I guess. I think so. I think, like, different types of keys signify different rank or whatever.

And there's the big golden key, which means, like, oh, you're one of the head guys, like the one Strand has. Yeah, counsel. member or whatever. Yeah. It was good that the fight between John and Strand. Yeah. It was kind of fun to see because they both have bought in, but

you want to believe that that can't be, right? This is all a ruse. And I don't think it is. I mean, I think in the end it will be, but for right, you know, in the beginning, like John bought in. He was the lawman. He wanted to just make sure that people were safe, right? Yeah, and Strand, you mentioned that fight. It was so satisfying seeing Strand get the crap beaten out of him.

Because he personifies the type of personality that is just despicable in this. Right, not wrong. You're not wrong. But I think that's why we love Strand, but you're not wrong. He's like willing to do anything, you know, sell out his friends if he thinks that, you know, it's going to benefit him or possibly even help his friends. but he'll still sell him out regardless and get him off. He's willing to do a little bit of evil and screw everyone over if it thinks that it, I don't know.

He's just, I don't like straight. Although he did, you know, when he did help John out when he didn't have to, right? He did help him out when he didn't have to. He was kind of on his side saying, I want to save you. I'm going to bring you in, especially like when he when john was went behind everybody's back to go talk to uh janis the uh the prisoner and uh you know when they came in strand was like oh see you got my message thanks for showing up

yeah you know so i don't know that jenny actually believed it but it was a good cover right yeah but he but he didn't care if he was sentencing this girl to death did he didn't care in the slightest he was like whatever she's a clothes washer who cares we can find other people to wash clothes. Thank you. What do you think this is? And it was a fun scene when John went out to see her. That was always fun when he really realized that, you know, she was dead and they, you know, up the, they up the sentence early and it was, you know, him shooting the walkers.

And, you know, it was a good, that was his turning point scene of he had to do it, right? Yeah, they don't show his gunplay enough. They really don't. I know. They should feature that more. I know. He's the band. It's like every time he takes it out, it's like Michael Jordan walking on the court.

You know something cool about to happen. Do that more. Show it more. I think they're doing that on purpose. I think the reason they're not showing his gunplay more is because they're trying to hold this off. So when it does happen, it will be all the more satisfying. I hope so. I mean, it was really cool.

And it wasn't bad. the grave kills were not bad. Oh, the Grave Walker kills, yeah. The Grave Walker kills were fun to see. And we don't know, I mean, I don't know that we ever will know, because it probably doesn't matter now, but we don't know where they come from. All of a sudden, just two walkers showed up.

I was thinking of the same. I thought someone, like, did that on purpose. Yeah. Let them in to kill him. That could have. Maybe they did. Yeah, that's still a high possibility. And then I liked, you know, when he, you know,

I know everybody loved his little talk with the rap. Because we got the rabbi a couple times, right? We got the rabbi at the funeral, and we got the rabbi talking to John. And, you know, he was there for the fight. But we got, but the talk to John where John was talking about, you know, his dad and how his dad, the lawman, decided to plant evidence and put a guy away. But it was the right thing to do. on behalf of people who may have or may have not broken the law, that's never the right thing to do to plant evidence as a law man.

Okay, never. That's not the right thing to do. Yeah, I had forgotten about the rabbi altogether. Right, I know. I'll slip my mind. I disagree. Like the whole scene where John was talking about his father, that was probably my favorite scene in the episode.

I'm not going to lie. Yeah, it was good. Yeah, I like that. I like those, like, characters. That's what makes you like these characters when they can, like, build the backstory. Like, fear does it, is doing it better. Walking Dead does it well, um, besides the, uh, you know, Morgan Zen episode. Um, why would you think I would go there?

I knew it. I knew it. I could feel it. Um, I, but who does not do it well is, uh, world beyond. They suck it. Just stop. Just stop even trying. Oh, my gosh.

That, we can, if you want to, I mean, we'll just, we'll finish up fear and then we'll talk a little bit of world beyond. Because I know, you know, this is talking walking dead and we're in the universe. And, you know, the Sundays, for those of you that are watching without AMC Plus, Sundays are, you know, fear and world beyond days. And that's the way it is. for those of you that are on AMC Plus and watch it early. Tough. They live with it. So, and I kind of, it was, it was, Morgan and the Hound was, you know,

those was kind of a, there was an interesting, interesting kind of thing at the beginning and the end with Morgan and the Hound. I'm not real sure. I, you know, I don't know, it feels. It's weird that he's. completely taken over the persona of that bounty hunter. You know what I mean? He's like in his clothes, wear his hat, uses his weapon, adopted his dog and stole his truck.

He's got to do boots. He's got all of it. Except he made the axe longer mixing it with his staff. Right. All right. What you do? That was a couple of good kills there for him too as well. I wasn't expecting those two guys to die.

They showed up. I was like, oh, it's these guys. And they were like, we need the key. And then Morgan just slices ones in the moment. open with the gut and then them within the heart. So we did get confirmation that, so I thought

Virginia was like the person that was, yeah, that was yeah, so we found out that that's not the case. They were on their own. That's a different group. Right. According to what's coming up next week,

they talk about Dwight and Sherry teaming up with another faction of people. to take down Ginny, which is probably those guys, those guys team, right? And so Morgan, I guess, the IMDB description is Dwight and Sherry team up with a mysterious faction of people to take down Jenny when Morgan unexpectedly offers to help a power struggle ensues. So we're going to get a fight between this group and Morgan before we even get to the fight with Jenny, right?

That's good, man. That episode actually sounds really good They need to have Dwight and Sherry Moore because they were just They were fire In their episode Like I watched before I watched last night I saw the end of you know

Yeah Yeah Oh that was so good With the music and everything I was like This is rocking I hope they have them more Look

Nothing means more but love I'm so happy to see it Hey Oh you're right You're right Hey back on on Morgan and the Hound. So whose shirt

or jacket? I don't know. Was that? And it felt like the Hound knew the accident was coming. The Hound gets down off the seat. It gets down into the thing. I felt like when the hound did that, I was like, what is the

hound know? Why is he getting down there? The hound's straight up magic, man. Right. His tracking ability is called Guinness. Because all they have to do is he smells something. and they just drive in his random road in Texas.

It doesn't matter where, and he'll find it sitting inside the truck. And on top of that. He had the window down, remember? Morgan had the window down. The dog went out inside the window, smelled, probably barked in the right direction, and that's where Morgan went. I don't think he barks. He's so magic.

I think he actually talks to Morgan. Morgan told him to bark when he finds the guy, right? But then he crawls down into the well in front of the scene. before the accident like, you know, I love you, but I'm not going to get banged up here. I'm going to crawl down here and wait for this accident to happen. This dog, he's like, yeah, so Morgan, yeah, take a left up at that Wind Dixie up there and keep on going down to the circle K. That's where I'm picking up a cent. I'm going to turn my head and bark that way. That's the way you need to go.

I think I smelled something, I don't know, in Arizona. Just go that way. It's funny. Like, I don't know if Californians are a Hollywood. Hollywood people don't realize how big Texas is. It's not like Rhode Island or, no, even that's too big. It's not like a small village, you know. Right. Right. I mean, I don't know if it's a country.

If you're driving around these roads, just random, this is, you're talking about weeks of just driving around Texas. Like, come on. Right. Plus, and I don't know, maybe they don't know in the Walking Dead universe about hounds and how far they can smell. I realize they're good, but not as good as this bad boy, man. You can, what's crazy is all the places they are, have you seen that? I think you might have showed it to me. Someone did, but there's a website that's got like a year before.

That's kind of cool. Yeah, it's really cool. And I know that we're supposed to bypass reality for a little while. So, okay. No problem. I've bypassed reality. I did like, there was one thing that I wanted to talk about that I liked the, one of the Grave Digger scene was really good.

Janice was strand fine. Sold out for the key. Oh, the tooth pull. And we have to talk about the great tooth pull scene. Oh, the tooth pull. You knew that was coming. Right? He wasn't when Jenner, you got to get that taken care of.

And you knew that he was, you know, that was his way of getting back in himself. And for those of us that have actually done that before, you know, take a pair of pliers and pull a tooth out like that. You know, you reach a point where you overcome the pain. I mean, you know that, Jason, as well as anyone. Oh, yeah. I mean, that one time I cut my pinky off because it was, you know, you know, had a little arthritis. It was hard to have blood of flu. It's like whatever.

But you have to admit that that scene made, I can't speak for everybody, but the truthful scene kind of made me cringe. It was just like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's no doubt. But, again, you reach a point where the pain is, you're through it.

You're through the pain and you just yanked that bad boy. So maybe I was reading too much into it, but I saw that as, you know, like, just kind of like symbolic for his mind. mindset in general. Yeah. How he was, you know, he was putting up with something really bad, you know, in the community, but also within his own body, just let the investor in there.

And at the end, he was like, nope, screw it. I'm excising this crap. Right. That's actually a really good way to look at it. It's pretty cool. And they surprise you every once in a while. Yeah. As a writer, you would know this.

But overall, these episodes have been fantastic. I mean, fear has really pushed the envelope this year. I'm very happy that they listen to us. Yeah. And now, you're welcome. We have season one, episode five of the Walking Dead World Beyond, Madman Across the Water.

Oh, God. I tell you what, and I know that this show was made for, you know, the teens, and they're big on being, you know, the numbers have been strong for it. It's a time slot. Yeah. Shut up.

Yeah, I mean, it's advertised as cable's number one hit. No. It was new number one hit. I haven't seen the numbers, but that's what they're advertising it as. So, okay. All right. Plus, they are, also they're talking about the possibility. Everyone is talking about the possibility of Andrew Lincoln showing up on the season finale of World Beyond.

Wait, they're saying that as a theory? Yeah. because apparently his name appeared on the casting list of the IMDB season finale list. And then it was deleted. An insider pointed it out in AMC, oh, that's not accurate. And they took it off. Oh, crap. So now all the conspiracy theorists are like, he's going to show.

He's going to show up as part of the testing facility or something. That'd be cool. Yeah. We get to see Rick again. I mean, that would save that show. All right. I mean, there's the only reason to watch it. I watched that whole thing last night with, I mean, I never thought anybody was going to die.

There's no, there's no tension of anyone dying. They're traveling across the country. They've run into no ricks, no governors, no jinnies, no Niggins. They're just strolling across the country with a couple of walkers every now and then. I don't, I'm seriously. I mean, it's just like, well, something's got to happen somewhere, right? Something did at the end, but it's like a, I set a record every episode of this of eye rolls, where, you know, like every time the supposed leader of this group, you know, the, you know, the chick that, you know, looks like Jeffie,

you're, uh... Irish? Yeah, Iris, there we go. The world be on Jeffie. Why do you think she looks like me, Jason? It's like it's you in a skirt, you know, and a little spear. Whenever time she's like, follow me. I'm like, come on.

How about no? Yeah, how about no? As if these two adults are me like, yeah, okay, we're following you. Yeah, what, gee, I don't know. What should we do? Let's ask Iris would never happen, ever. They didn't really, they weren't asking her, though. They did, they did pretty much plan against her with Elton.

And then she'll be like, oh, crap, we don't have a boat. And she's like, who's the build one? Let's get the air conditioner and, like, put some duct tape on it and get some nail polish and stuff. I'm like, okay, there's like 12 eye rolls right there. I'm like, come on. I just can't stomach this. And we saw them go into the water. We didn't see them get across.

The next thing we know, they're across, and everything's fine. And I realized that you think, well, you know, he needed the engine with nail, polished powered to get across because of the current. But people have been crossing rivers. Humans have been crossing rivers with currents for a lot of years.

I don't know. Like for thousands, like tens of thousands of years. Because you just go with you paddle and go with the current until you get across to the other side. That's what you do. Well, it just

even I was like, you could just paddle you don't really need a motor, but... That's so funny. But that makes for a less interesting episode. When they're playing MacGyver with the nail polish and engine, when Jeffrey would have been like, uh, but we can just paddle. I have these two pieces.

I have these two sticks. What are we waiting for? What are we waiting for? We're waiting for to figure out some machine. And what about, uh, the main focus on this episode was Elton. and his backstory. Oh, yeah, I mean, whatever. And you got to see, you know, he misses his mom, I got it.

And we knew that Whatcher Face killed his mom. And, you know, that's the end. I got it. And the thing that I like the most, and one of the things that they should have played off on, which we have not seen, is we did get a lightning bolt that knocked down a pole that went into a building that was full of walkers, right?

That was supposed to create, you know, the empties, they call them drama. But I would have been nice to see some walkers get blown up with lightning or something. We haven't seen that before. They didn't do it, but it would have been nice. That's true. So anyway, not only that, but I was thinking, you know,

getting blown up with lightning bolts, a few rabbit squirrels could join the party. Something. Right. Thank you. You need to be on the think tank at AMC. some of these things. It's just ridiculous. Come on.

We're by a river and we're not fishing for food. We've got a couple of walkers chasing us. And then he ties the fish line up around the trees. And then they just stand back and watch them go up against the fish line.

I mean, what the heck? What the heck are they doing? I think, I agree with you. They should have killed them while they were backed up against the fish line. I couldn't believe it. They're just standing there like, there they are against the fish wire.

What do we do? I think the reason was I think Felix was tying them up, like the backup, and then one, he knew he probably couldn't take all of them out one by one. I know that's dumb. I know it's dumb, but let me finish.

And he's waiting for one or two to come around the trees and then kill them, and then after that, then he's going to just wait for that. But that didn't happen. They ended up, their fight against the empties is pushing them back and running away. That's riveting. That's really sad.

Okay. How many people in this show, the main characters-wise, have killed zombies? Felix, Huck, and Silas. Yeah, and to be fair, they've walked, I guess next week we get, they introduced a new character, right, this week. So next week we get at the end. Next week they talk about the new character being introduced. So we'll see if they have some fight with other humans, if that happens. But overall, if it wasn't for the universe,

waiting to see what's going to happen in the future. Especially the CRM. And knowing, thankfully, this is only two seasons. We're done with it, right? We've got to force ourselves to sit through this for two seasons, for the universe, for the sake of the universe. That's what we're doing this.

So you don't have to, listening to Talking Walking Dead here, don't put yourself through it. We'll do it for you. Right. Here I'm Talking Walking Dead because it's a struggle you don't need in your life right now. There's too many other things going on. Really, all you need to know is if anything ties into the larger world. Because the story is stupid. Right.

It's a team model of what seems to be the beginning of, but it's not the beginning because it's after. They've been in this university for 10 years now, right? Yeah. So I guess maybe after 10 years it's cleaned out, but that's where we're at with fear and walking dead and it's not cleaned out. I mean, we still have plenty of people to deal with. Walking Dead's more like almost 15 to 20. What do you mean? I'm not sure about World Beyond, but like I said, fear is just at, I think.

Oh, timeline. Timeline-wise. So Walking Dead would be about 15 to 20 years after the world ended. Okay, so fear's got to be there too then. Nope. Fear takes place, I think, just after Rick left. like maybe a year or something. They haven't caught up with Dead yet.

Okay. And World Beyond? I have no clue about World Beyond. Yeah, because they don't either. That's part of the problem. Anyway, we'll back to the real show that has mattered and thankfully is now finally good, fear, The Walking Dead.

Very enjoyable. And I find myself looking forward to the episodes every week. So I'm happy. I'm happy that's happy. happening. Yeah, for sure. So thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. We'll see you next week. Jason, Maximus. Have a great week and remember, you know, don't just push the walkers away. Kill them, okay? Yeah, thank you. Yeah. Oh, and remember to subscribe to Chewing the Fat. If you're listening to this and you're not a subscriber, what are you doing with your life?

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