Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E8 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: April 12, 2021

Season 6 Episode 8 TITLED: “THE DOOR” WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB A reunion with an old friend helps pull John Dorie out of his darkest moment yet. Back at Lawton, Virginia demands answers.  Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 8, the mid-season premiere, 6B, to be exact, titled The Door. And that makes this talking Walking Dead, and it's going to be an excellent addition of Fear, the Walking Dead edition. All right, welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Mitchell, and Maximus Fisher. episode description on IMDB, the reunion with an old friend helps pull John Dory out of his darkest moment yet. And back in Lotton, Virginia demands answers.

That doesn't do this episode, Justice. No. Before we get to the actual, you know, wrap up of this episode, we can talk about, you know, the signs that we got in the beginning. But I think we just have to start with the end. All right.

I know the rest of the episode was great, right? We won't start with you. We'll start with. We'll just say that the rest of the episode was a tremendous episode. Jason? I felt like I was watching like season three, season four of Walking Dead, that level of a show. This is amazing. Fear has never gone to these heights ever, ever.

I was, I mean, I was, and I was watching it, as I have been lately, as a skeptic. Like, I'm just ready to poke some holes from the opening scene where he's just, like, picking people off about to commit suicide. It was amazing. It was like, yeah. That was a great thing. Gosh, Walker kills, story, everything. Amazing. Yeah.

And, uh, Maximuth? This episode was amazing. And at the, well, some of the best writing in both shows, great acting across the board. by everybody in this. Yeah. It was just great. That being said, the ending was sad. Max was wound up at the ending, man, because we lost them.

We lost them. John Dory. Dead. That's fine. Okay. Okay. Let's just jump to it. Okay.

Let's go through. Our little text, like, first of all, I was pissed off because Jeff, he wasn't answered my text again in the show. Well, I, look, first of all. Let's just go with, I actually looked down at one. You're copying Hardwick, Sam. At one point, I looked down, I thought, why isn't Jason texting me? I didn't have the vibrator on.

I had it off. Which is very strange for me because I like the vibrator on. But anyway, so, you know, I apologize, okay? Yeah, well, anyway. But it was funny towards the end of our texting, or like, right when we actually started texting. Yeah. Like, Max was pissed that.

You know, right after he got shot. And I was like, I didn't think he was going to get shot. I completely didn't think that was going to happen. When it did happen, I was still like, oh, I totally get what they're doing here. They're setting up, he needs a reason to live. I was like, that's the entire thing. That's what I thought, too. I was just shocked.

That was a shocking scene. And that's exactly what it was, his reason to live. Exactly what it was. But I thought that was the theme of the episode. Like, that's what, okay, now the rest of the episodes will be him taking care of this girl. And even though he got pushed into the water, I was like, eh, you know, I'm still confident in my theory. So, I thought that it was, at that point it was like 9 p.m. Central, I turned the channel.

I was like, satisfied in my, you know, I was like, hey, I'm obviously smarter than everyone else is. I know what happens. Dude, you, you missed it the entire ending, which is just unbelievable. I don't even know why I have you on the show. Like, the ending was great. I didn't know the actual ending until we were talking like five minutes ago. And I was like, what? I still kind of think you're screwing with me.

So for those of you that haven't seen the episode yet, it was been out for a week. And I will say that I actually did pull the max for the entire week. I didn't look at any of the spoilers, nothing. I wanted to just enjoy it on Sunday night with the rest of you. And so the ending, after he gets pushed off the bridge, you know, because he found out that Dakota was the one who murdered his boy and was responsible for the death of what's her face. Janice.

Yeah. So remember that knife, the bone handle knife? Yeah. So we find out she's the one that killed Cameron, and then Virginia most likely definitely knew about it. So what she was covering up for her by blaming Janice. And we're just one second to interrupt you. That is one of the things that I'm talking about with the show,

is like they paid off a mystery. Like I feel like in the Walking Dead, they wouldn't even have paid that off anymore. You know what I mean? This was just dropped in an episode. Like, oh, crap. And he would have just walked around with that little chip from the knife forever. Yeah, or it had been something stupid, you know, like some other person.

Like, oh, you have the knife. But no, it was a major plot line. And it was just. Yeah. Yeah, no, it was really good. And then they, you know, I will say Morgan and Dakota did a heavy sales pitch on getting John to go with them. I mean, both of them were selling hard, and John was having none of it. Yeah.

He was having none of it. I'll get you across the bridge. We had some good Walker kills. We had the Walker truck scene on the bridge, and we had John and Dakota prior to that getting to know each other. When John works on the truck and tells her his dad's story. Exactly. That's pointing to he needs a reason to live. That's why you did not see that ending coming.

I mean, I usually see these things come. coming a mile away. I was so sure I turned the TV off when I thought the show was. Again, and again, when we were watching it. We thought that too. Now, yes, the scene where he gets shot, that was definitely meant to jump scare you. Like, it was shot that way. But I agreed with you. I was like, okay, he's going to live.

No way he dies, right? No way they killed John. And Jason, I'm telling you this. After we're done recording this, go watch the ending. Oh, I'm going to watch the ending now to see how that you guys reliant to the whole time. You're screwed with me. This would be nice to watch the show we're going to talk about. Anyway.

That's what sucks about how the regular show has gone is there's so much plot armor with all the major characters. Exactly. That's why we did not see this coming. He's like, no way. He's too big of us. Right. And so in the scene that you apparently are too good to watch, he is underwater and he sees the picture of his dad and him. And he says to himself, remember he said...

Well, he sees the picture, he swims up, and then there's the door from, like, from the truck. Right. Or something. That was a door. Yeah. And he grabs it, and he goes, like, not today. Yeah, the line that his dad always told him, you know. So, and you think, there it is.

Right? There he is. He floats down, and they're going to save him, and that's part of the deal. And you're kind of like, I was kind of like, okay. I mean, that's the walking dead plan, right? Nobody dies, the plot armor, right? Nobody really dies that you care about. Yeah.

You know, the guy on the horse gets killed and you go, oh, yeah, we knew him, so. But so then when he floats up to the edge at the cabin and June finds him, awesome. He comes up unexpectedly already dead as a walker. He turned fast. That's brutal. That is brutal. And June has to take care of him? Yes.

Brutal, man. It was definitely brutal, man. Definitely brutal. And I will say, just as a side note, she was on the show that follows the show that comes on after the show. And June was. And she was at home or in whatever, you know, dwelling she was in. She looked really a lot better than she does on fear, by the way. I mean, holy cow.

Yeah, I was impressive. Anyway, but this has a side note. Now I have to watch that show too. Just the beginning. So you look and you go, oh, yeah. There was actually some important stuff on the show that comes on after the show. Yeah, and it was interesting because Lenny was, Lenny James was on there, she was on there,

John Dory was on there, you know, they said goodbye. I mean, he's been on there for, what, a little over two seasons? Now, I mean, he's a, as a fan of the show, I will miss his character. You know what I mean? Oh, sure. He was a strong, strong character for the show. Yeah.

And I don't think they did enough with him. I think they could have, you know, highlighted his skills, his unique set of skills. Yes. A lot more. But whatever. I mean, yeah. He's probably obviously a lot more expensive than some of the other actors, so they can't have them in every episode. And a lot of people have hypothesized that.

Yes. You know what I fear is that the John Dory actor wanted off the show because of something else. I hope that's not the case. I hope this is the writing team and the producers turning a leaf on shocking us and getting back to that. The way they discussed it last night, it was not him. It was the show. Good. It was the show.

They all seemed to, they knew about it. Obviously, they were filming. before the COVID break. So they had to stop. They were almost, they weren't quite done with the episode. So they had to come back, you know, months later and finish it up due to their COVID restrictions in the lockdown. So they've all known.

And he said he knew, you know, prior to that with the reading. They came to him and said, you know, dude, this is what we're thinking. Dude, think about what this does for the rest of the show. Like you now have no clue what they're going to. know, who might die. Which I might say made me happy. Yes. Here's the, I said this before we, I said this before even we called you, is fear has, this is the one big advantage fear has over dead.

Dead has to at least follow a certain structure that the comic book followed because there are some characters that don't die. There are some that do. Yeah, they change it for the show, but they have to keep that story at least somewhat similar. because they're following the comic. And at this point in the comic, where we are in the show, not a lot of people die. Yeah, they've proven to go way off the canon storyline. True, yeah.

But they still follow the storylines. Somewhat, yeah. But fear doesn't have that. Fear doesn't have that at all. So that's the one big event where they can do whatever the heck they want and not have to follow source material. Now, I'm really surprised. I mean, that, I mean, Morgan came close

and didn't do it killing Dakota last night which I you know would have been to me it would have been awesome just cut her head off right there on the bridge you have a nice day oh and Jason you missed another twist that they revealed

what was oh yes for next episode what are you talking about what Dakota said to Morgan oh yeah yeah yeah okay so I know we're like jumping around but I think that's fine because he missed it

so let's do it Okay, so after she shoots him and pushes him off the bridge, Morgan walks to her, and he's like, what did you do? What happened? Where's John? And she, guess how she responds? Floating down the river with a bullet in his chest. Dang. And that's what he, I mean. And then he was just, and then they were talking, and he was like, why, why, why, just why? And then Morgan's like, mm-hmm. And then he holds the, and then grabs her hand and holds her, his,

axe to her throat. Yeah, she should have died there. Yeah, but then he was, she was like, I'm the reason you're alive. Like, of course, at first I was thinking, oh, yeah, because he needs her for bribing Jenny, like his bait. Right. Man, what would be great? That's not the case.

No, that's great if they, I don't know how long she's going to be around, but it would be great if she morphs into an even better villain than the current one. She will be. She will be, because they're trying to make, uh, she's, With this episode, they made Dakota into a really crazy out-of-her-mind person. And they're still trying to push Jenny or Virginia or whatever the heck her name is in charge of, you know, Cowboy Khan. Yeah, Al-Anne. Yeah, Lawton.

Into a bad person. In fact, the premiere and the sneak peek for next week has her – she's got all the people in jail, right? all the other, our other team in jail, all our family. So they tried, she has them all outside. She's going to kill the pregnant lady, Morgan's girl. What's her name? Grace. Grace.

And they're trying to make her Neganish. It's a Neganish scene. Oh, come on. I know. I know. I know. I know. But I would love to see, you know, Morgan ended up talking to Dwight on, you know, I guess, the special Morgan Dwight's that phone

and telling him to you know get ready for battle because it cuts to a scene with with Dwight Alicia Charlie and Al walking to the dam they're in the dam yeah they're in the new home

and so they're ready for battle and I just want right now everyone wants to go to dead yeah right no question and June is definitely when she finds out what happened will definitely want Dakota dead. So I'll be pissed off if there's some kind of redemption arc. I hope that does not happen.

I'd be fine with a time jump after the end of this, after the end of this season, and she's a little bit older. I didn't get to, I didn't get to finish what I was saying, though, of what Dakota revealed to Morgan. So during that, when Morgan was holding the axe to her throat, she goes, she she says, I was the one who saved you at the gulch. Remember

weird? Remember in the gulch when Morgan was bleeding out and shot? And then he's surrounded by the walkers coming at him. And then that's when the season ends, and then when it starts up again, he's in that car or he found out he was in that water tower or whatever, but he was all

bloodshot, but he was kind of stitched up. That's how he was alive. Yeah. We find out, Dakota at least says it was her, where she was the one who left him that note. She was the one who killed those walkers and left him in the water tower and actually he'd like had him stock up on, gave him those antibiotics

because they were stocked up. If you believe it. If you believe her, as you know, that she was the one who saved him. And I don't know that I do. Because wasn't she there? I know, and you actually, this was part of the show you watched,

wasn't she there when Morgan was telling John about the note that was left for him, uh, after he survived and he didn't know who did it, but that's one of the reasons he's still alive. They were in that convenience or whatever. Wasn't she listening to all of that?

Yeah. So I think that, I don't know that I believe her that she was the one that saved him. But, okay, even if she was, tough. Thank you. Chop your head off. I mean, she's like the ultimate, like, user of people. Yeah.

You know, yeah, she's using him to get what she wants. And she obviously has no morality on it. Right. And guess what she was like, she said I snuck out, I followed them to the gulch because I wanted to see my sister get taken down. That didn't happen, but I saw I could save you and that was a good thing. So I did. And then she was like, you are the only person that could take her down. That's why I'm doing this.

And if you believe that, then you know that she's turning into the bad person because she wants her sister dead. She just can't kill her sister herself. Because that's the reason that she killed Cameron, right? Yeah. Because she said that Cameron was the only that knew her way to get out of the town, out of Lawton, and was going to tell her sister. And she couldn't have that. See, that is the makings for a really good villain. I know.

A sociopath with no morality. Right. It's a lot better than the cosplaying cowboy. Right. So maybe they go back, maybe they go back to Lawton and Dakota ends up just killing her sister to make up for it. to pretend like she makes up for it. She kills her sister, but then she takes over, right? There's your time jump.

Then she takes over. Yeah. I'm pretty cool with that. I'm really cool with that. Now, I think the big question, though, is how is what is it going to be the character development for June Dory after this? I hope she suffers and suffers hard. I mean, she's got to feel that crap right now, and it's all her fault.

I mean, she chose to be with these, like, evil people. over John. They could have just taken off and been happy, but she chose that. So it's all her fault. I hope she suffers for the rest of the season. That's a great, great point. Go ahead and help Ginny tape up any sick person that she can find

and just suffer. That's a good point. I'm feeling like she has to be angry and come after Dakota, suffer. Suffer, yes. I like it. And maybe she ends up then working for Dakota. Right at the time jump, she's still there. Yeah.

Good. Good. I don't think that's going to happen. I like that a lot. I saw a comment on this, and one of them was, after this episode, could June be the carol of this show? Yes, she could. Oh, gosh, yeah, probably. Yes, she could.

But, I mean, I believe that our plan is better. I like our plan better. I want her. Yes. That would be awesome just to let her say. Now, I will say, that Lenny James said in the show that comes on after the show that comes on after, that it's been dark, you know, it's been dark, and it's going to get darker.

So, good. I mean, I love that. I'm a fan of that. Yeah, I can't. I tell you what, I am just floored on how it changed. Right. I noticed it. I mean, you really could notice it from the very beginning, but, like, it had everything

that you want in a Walking Dead show, you know, like, The surprise at the end, like, mysteries revealed throughout a great walker kills with, you know, a mini horde and getting through it. Yeah. The Walker death of like the Walker under the tire constantly. Yeah, awesome. But the tire is great. We've had two great episodes back to back. Here's Negan and the door.

I'm pumped. I'm pumped for the rest of this. I mean, I'm more, I'm a lot more excited about watching this show than I was, you know, watching the bonus episodes for sure. And maybe we have, maybe this is a way to make Daniel stronger character by getting rid of John, which I'm a fan of. Yeah. I like, I always love Daniel. And so let's go ahead and get him back into the game plan then. Mm-hmm.

Because he was part of the crew that was, you know, in the jail, right, at CowboyCon. So, you know, that whole group needs to be together again and Daniel needs to step up. Yeah. sure. Because our crew right now is the trucker twins, Daniel, Dwight, Al. The trucker twins. I can't even, I can't.

Yeah, that's just a, that's a goofy cast. I really don't care about. The trucker twins, Daniel, Al, Dwight, Charlie, Luciana, Grace, Morgan, June, and I know I'm forgetting one person. they're going to do everything they can to save Grace, right? Because she's got the baby, and she's Morgan's girl now. So, I mean, they're going to do whatever.

Now, the good thing is, and now that they, you know, they gave you the flip of killing John, the good thing is, nobody's safe. Yep. No one is safe. I love that. I love it. That's what made me happy last night. I was sad.

I'm very sad to see John go. I was very surprised that they let him go. You know, you can make all the jokes about paychecks and everything else, but it was a great way to send a message, nobody's safe. And I love that. And signals a direction change. Like before, the person that would have died would have been one of the trucker twins, and none of us would have gave a crap.

But everybody on all the characters would have been pretending like this was one of their main characters. Right. And they would be hoping that we would feel the same way they do. And we'd be like, okay, whatever, this is stupid. No. Like, kill off a beloved character, you get everyone's attention. Yes. Bravo.

You're surprising. Fear the Walking Dead got to number two on trending. That's the highest it got. Yeah, because it was shocking, right? It sends a message. I mean, you're either really angry, and you think that it's, you know, you're pissed at gimple, and there were a lot of people that were ticked at the whole fear for killing off this strong character. But I loved it.

I mean, again, I didn't want to see him go. I love the character. It was well worth the showtime to have him in it. But I love the message that it sends. Yeah. People will be pissed off, but they'll tune in with more interest. They will. I remember.

There's a difference. If you would have killed off Lenny James' character, Morgan, then you're probably losing people from watching the show. Absolutely. So that can't happen. He's got a hard for a part of him. I think you can still do that. Yeah. I think you could do that with any character now except for Lenny.

Right. Except for Lenny James. I mean, Morgan. Yeah, he's basically the Rick of the show. And when Rick left, a lot of people left the show. You know what I mean? It was great. There were great all kinds of little tips that John was going away, though.

And Max even caught it at the very beginning. I caught it. So you know the guitar intro. and there's always like that art piece that zooms out. Did it look familiar? See, a lot of people, and he's trying to remember what it was because it was just the beginning of the show, right? But it was...

So it's John on a... The art piece with the guitar riff is John on a bridge pointing a gun at a group of walkers. That was Rick's last episode, and they always have that in the intro of Dead now, with Rick on the bridge pointing the gun at the walkers. It's a lot like Rick. It looked like really close.

As it opened out, Max is like, ooh, did that Rick? Did Hardwick talk about that at all? No, no one mentioned it on the show. I was just like, there's no way that wasn't done on purpose to remind you of Rick's last episode. That's good insight. You know, like, what's that show Ozark? They leave little clues in the beginning sequence. We should start paying attention to that more and see after doing that.

Yeah, really good because it was a great call. Because when you see, I was like, yeah, it was kind of like Rick. I'm sure that's kind of what they're doing, but it absolutely was what they did. That's great. Yeah, it was really good. And, you know, I really enjoy, I mean, the episode was great. There was only a couple of times I thought, okay, get to it. Only a couple times, I mean, it was just slight, okay, get to it.

And I don't remember if I go back, maybe it was, maybe it was the work on the car when he was, you know, talking to Dakota about his dad and stuff. I'm, all right, get to it. Well, you were happy he called her a know-it-all. Yeah, that was funny. That was funny. Okay. Just know it all. You know, she's trying to, you know, she knows, right?

She's trying, now we know, we look back at that, and we know that she knows he was always the one looking for her, right? She's the murderer. And she has to try to get in his good graces. And she even said, I pushed you to do the investigation because I knew that my sister would never let it get to me. If it was ever found out, I'd still be safe. And now she was convincing him to come with them because she's, and then kind of like Negan's sense, people are a resource. She just these tools that she can use. Absolutely.

I like how they're writing her. I think this has got potential. Yes, it absolutely does if they go that direction. This is the one little difference from Negan, I could tell, like you said, like people are a resource. With Negan, even though he enjoyed it a little too much, you could tell Negan at least cared about some of the people who was under him. Like, if people died, he cared about it. Yes, I mean, she could actually be more hardcore, really. Yeah.

Yeah. It sucks you so young. Because I really want to see them develop this more. That's why either a time jump and they continue along this line or, I don't know, I just wish she was at least, I don't know, 18, 19, at least. That's the actress's age, the actress's age is that. Well, that would get to the time jump, right? because it'd be tough to sell her in charge of all these older guys that are still alive, you know,

because they're like, I'm not listening to you, sweetie. But if she, if they have her killer sister in front of everyone, when she's trying, you know, sis is trying to be an eganish next week in episode nine called, what the heck is the, they didn't, what the heck is? I'll look at it. Hold on. It says things left to do. Things left to do.

So, you know, maybe we, maybe she kills the sister off at the standoff to make a point that, you know, hey, I know some of you know that I killed John, but I just killed my sister. So let me live. And then. The closer they get to that, I mean, if we're right, the better. Like, you know, in the next couple of episodes. Yeah, that needs to happen. Yeah. That needs to happen.

kill, let's kill Jenny, Virginia off and get rid of her. Yeah. Who thinks she's... I know. I know. I'm sorry. I don't want to say anything negative, because I can't after this episode. I really can't.

But, yeah, nothing with this episode, but that, Virginia, no. No, this episode was really good from top to bottom. All the, you know, all the direction, all the production, everything was really, really good. And it had to be, right? Because they gave everybody the plot twist. and some people that didn't watch the entire episode also thought that it was a good show. Same.

Yeah. So, the way they did John's Walker, too, if you actually look at his eyes, there's still some color in them, and then you watch as they drain and just become all white. Yeah, he's really good. He was just turning, and it was real, I mean, it was as dramatic.

You do have to go watch if you didn't see the episode. I'm going to watch it. So this is, you know, talking, fear, the walking dead. I did get one question from a fan. We don't have to answer it today. But I want to ask the question on the show, and you can email Chewing the Fat at theblaze.com or, you know, contact me on social media any time.

But this question came in and said those, and he prefaces it by really a question for Max. What, Jason and Mitreach, chop liver? I don't know. Yeah. So he said his neighbor never watched The Walking Dead or Fear of the Walking Dead. My reaction to that would be move. But which episodes or season would you guys recommend for someone who hasn't watched it from day one if they wanted to get caught up to speed quickly?

Looking for something like the Star Wars Machete Order. I know Max will know what this is. Thing is I do. Yes, I do know what the Machine is. an answer off the top of your head or you want to think about it an answer next week? Off the top of my head, I would say if you're going to watch the show

like, if you want to watch a show watch it like from beginning to end, but you said quickly, that might be tricky. I don't know the episode, like the numbers. Season wise, if you decide to watch it all in order

or I'd say all of dead until season eight, once it gets... That's not very fast. No, I know, I know. I know it's not. But let me finish. Like, order of watching, because I had to give a friend at least a watch order.

Watch Walking Dead and Fear at your own pace until season 8 of Dead. And then after you finish season 8 of Dead, don't go right into season 9. Go into season 4 of Fear, because that's when Morgan shows up. You don't want to watch Season 4 of Fear before 8. Yeah. And then World Beyond, watch World Beyond after season. At your own risk. Or don't.

Watch World Beyond after season 9 episode 5. You don't need to watch World Beyond. What you need to do is just listen to this show. And we'll tell you about, we'll sadly watch that show and tell you a little bit about it. That's about it. Okay? We're at the rest of that show. So I'll look into it next week and actually think of a better way to watch it quickly.

All right. Yeah, there's no reason to watch Fear until, like you said, season 4. there's no reason whatsoever because everything else they completely abandon all the other plot lines I actually forgot about this a lot of people were like could this a lot of people were like

could this be another another thing of saying fear's time is numbered or fear or fear is losing its traction by killing off one of its main characters because a ton of people were upset that they killed off

Madison and Nick in season four Nick, I like. Nick was good. I know you guys didn't like Madison. The only timeline that stays alive a little bit with the Madison is, what's your face, the daughter, right? Oh, yeah, Alicia. Alicia.

And she recalls mom every so often after, you know, in season four and beyond. So just know, you know, tell your neighbor, look, when they refer to Madison, she was the mom. Thank God she's dead. And you don't have to go back and watch those episodes. Yeah. They forced her, the husband, the son. They forced them all on us. Yeah.

And it didn't work. The death of Dory is nowhere near the deaths of Madison and Nick and all them. It seemed pretty obvious that they died because they were doing a complete reset. They were going in a different direction. Yes, because they were following the direction of this show, which they should do again. So, by the way, Gimple, I'm sorry, Mr. Gimple, you're welcome. Yep. All right.

Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead Fear, the Walking Dead edition. We will see you next week for episode nine, and we'll see if it's just as good as episode eight or episode eight was. Be sure to subscribe to Chewing the Fat, too, so you know when these shows upload, okay? All right. Jason Butchow, Maximus Fisher. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead.