Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S6 E9 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

TALKING WALKING DEAD: Fear Edition… Season Six Episode Nine TITLED: ‘Things Left To Do’ WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB A stand-off occurs between Virginia and her rangers and Morgan's group. Ginny has made a lot of enemies and it's finally catching up to her. Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 6, episode 9, titled Things Left to Do. This is Talking Walking Dead, Fear, the Walking Dead edition. Wasn't a bad episode again. Pretty good, I think. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchrell, and Maximus Fisher. Episode description on IMDB, a standoff occurs between Virginia and her Rangers and Morgan's group. Ginny has made a lot of enemies, and it's finally catching up to her. I mean, you know, I enjoyed the episode.

There were some things that were kind of, eh, about the episode. I mean, we'll get into the things that happened throughout the episode. You know, of course, the ending was great again. So, you know, I enjoyed the heck out of that. Jason? Wow. Who would have thought that fear would be setting the standard for how the Walking Dead show should be done. I'm blown away by

that, the pacing, everything that happened. Keep in mind, this was the second episode. I know. There's things happening pivotal to the plot line. I mean, just I mean, I don't know how they keep this pace, right? Right. I mean, this is like if you're going to run a mile, but you start off running like

a, you know, a 10 second, 100 meter dash. I don't know how to make... Personally, personally, I don't understand that analogy. That's what I put it. That's what I put it. Okay. So, Jason, just to let you know, So apparently last episode, the one where John died, that was supposed to be the mid-season finale months ago, but because of COVID, it got delayed, and they made it the mid-season premiere. Okay. I'm kind of glad.

I like to. I liked coming out swinging like that. When you think about it, though, they've got, what, seven episodes left? How do they keep up that pace? I don't think they can. I don't know if they can. But if they do, I mean, if I'm like... working on the Walking Dead show, I'm like loosening my tie and like checking my, you know, fever or wiping the sweat off my bucks.

I'm like, dude, how do we even keep up with this? Yeah, I really like this episode. Like you said, the pacing was quick. It was definitely an action-packed episode in a few spaces. There are, again, like you guys said, I don't think it was as good as last episode, but I'm not saying that was bad. This is really good. Well, the Walking Dead riders, they'd be like, dang, you know, I would have put it in a great show about, you know, just how life is going on in Alexandria and how they're getting food. That's what I would have done. Let's check in on, you know, some of the babies that are being born. The day-to-day gardening on the other side of the dam. Right. No relationships that are budding around that garden.

To catch that reference. I'm so clever. That's awesome. So, I mean, we have been, we have talked about how they have tried to make Virginia this event. bad guy at Western Con really hasn't happened but you know that's where the direction they went so we had the you know Negan-ish lineup

When the cute lineup It would have been cuter had she killed someone actually Yeah I was actually hoping for that You know I mean that was the only way to make her Negan-ish I mean they were about they were

It looked like they were gonna kill either Grace Mr. Daniel. I know. You were so mad when... No way they killed Daniel. When the Ranger used the butt of the gun to hit Daniel.

At least at the end of the episode, and we can, you know, I know we're jumping around, but, you know, what they have done or did to Daniel's character is very disheartening to me. I love his character

and I don't like what they did to him. And at the end, he seemed to come back, so it appeared that the character was his idea of being this lost out of the world character but still alive instead of being Mr. Badass? Yeah, I think that I don't, I share your worry, but I don't think that's what they're doing. I really don't. Like, you know, when he was pretending to be like a silent barber.

Yeah, we knew that he was pretending because he knew that was a game. It was confirmed. He was working something. And I think when he got taken after the lineup, I thought that's the perfect guy for us that we need to get taken. Because he is badass and he's going to be doing something, you know, working it so that he, you know, gets free and kills off the rest of these Rangers. I just, I was like, that's the perfect guy to go. Yes. And I'll give you that.

I just, I want my man back and I want him being the man that he is. Right. Let's just take that over. he can sit down with Morgan and say, dude, you know, you can go off and be Mr. Zanich if you want. But I'm going to be the sheriff. Okay. We'll take it. You know, back to that lineup, it was just, it was funny to me because I did not feel any tension at all.

Like in the Rick Negan lineup, you were like, oh, my gosh. Like maybe it's because we knew the source material and we knew something bad was going to happen. They were kind of dancing around that they might change who dies. but there was still that just the way Jeffrey D. Morgan was doing it. Well, you were like, holy crap, this is diabolical, this is evil, this sucks. And when it was the cosplayer, you're just like, okay, whatever. I know, that's what I mean. She should have killed.

They should have had her kill someone, at least someone. I mean, maybe the, you know, maybe the wannabe female trucker twin. What's her name, Sarah? Yeah. Maybe we, you know, kill her off. you know but then there'd be nobody to take care of the handicapped twin but uh you know one of them had to have died maybe even we uh you know she i don't know not that i would ever think this way this is just you know an idea maybe you pull the baby out of grace and let that

that would have been out there i know and say there you go i don't know when i'm messing around anymore. Part of the problem I think was that I can't think of anyone that was there that I really would have cared if they died. Like, Grace is so new, I wouldn't really have cared. Sarah, the trucker, I wouldn't have cared. Daniel, I would have, Daniel,

it's been like the only one that I would have cared that have gotten taken out there. What about June? Nope. I want, yeah, I want her to suffer. And that would have been great if she just, like, hacked off her leg or something like that. So she had to hobble around for

what she did. Right. Why do you hate June so much? No, no. I mean, June would have done that to Virginia, right? Yeah, yeah. Or the other way around. What are you, what am I missing? Well, June is, I don't care about June because of how she was written with John. Like, you know, she chose that life over John. She chose to like give Virginia the benefit of the doubt when all evidence was to the contrary. So I don't care about June.

She can, uh-uh, no. She can't make up for it by the end of the episode. She can't make up for it. Oh, okay, yeah. I don't know. I know what you're saying. and we get that, but yeah, whatever. I don't know.

And then, you know, we, of course, the battle, the struggle inside Morgan of, you know, wanting to bring everyone together. And, you know, he's completely given up moving, you know, taking his people back to Rick. He's completely given up that line of thinking. His whole plan is building his, you know, the new world behind the dam, right? Yeah, really weird plot line. they just kind of abandoned there. I don't know why they even threw that in.

I don't know. No, I was... I was... After that line, when that battle happened, Strand was like, he surprised me. That was like a cool little surprise that he was really building that army just so he could...

I mean, that was what we were hoping for, that he was getting allies so he could confront Virginia when the time comes. Right. But as you can see, like, when he was like yelling at Morgan and not even considering the fact that they needed to get the other people back, you can tell that, well, I hope they're setting Strand up as not this gray area, you know, should we trust him or not, but full-on, you know, villain in the show.

I don't think so. I think from what we know of Strand and what we've seen from him the past, like, six seasons, he's always been this gray area character. For sure. And that's how they've written him. But I'm hoping they're getting away from that. Yeah. You think that they are with the way he ended with Alicia, right?

I mean, Alicia went back and was still, you know, with her, oh, Strand, come with us. I still love you. And he's like, no, I'll give you a reason to come with me, but this is not where we're headed. Yeah. So why? Like, why? So because you're building something that you can control,

and eventually that's going to become in direct competition with Morgan's group. So, I mean, I think, I think Stran could be a really cool villain. I think so, too. And he was worried about, I think he's talking about the other people, right? Not the masked people, but the end is coming people or whatever. The end is the beginning or whatever. The beginning people. You know, I think he knows about them, right?

That's the battle he's talking about. So, I mean, hopefully that's the battle he's talking about And we can let him go, you know, battle those people all we want And stick building our garden until he takes over, you know, one or the other, right? The end is the beginning people or Strand take over after that battle Because we have, what we have Strand and the mask people And the end is the beginning people plus Morgan's crowd, right? So we have those four and that we have to concern ourselves with now.

And who, I mean, other than Morgan, who comes to the top after that? I don't know. I mean, no way they let Sherry. I can't believe they let the, and then, you know, at the dam with Strand and Sherry, the masked people as they show up in the MRAP, and they just drive it away. This is why people just drive it away? No way. No way.

Our girl does not let that happen. I bet Al was thinking I want my MRAP back. Why she lets that happen? Why is Sherry still on the show? What's the point? You were really happy when she returned. I mean, it was a cool reunion

until we found out that they were going to turn her into something stupid. Right. And I mean, this is it though, right? Hopefully this is it for her. her because she are you know she told all all of this Dwight traveling halfway across the country for this bitch and

and she throws it at him like that no way you should have killed her right dad fine you want to be with me dead I'm at a loss for what the I know I'm an iron to the face for you yeah and you're going to walk away with me because of these mask guys no way well I'm sorry She is in the next episode.

She was in the promos for next episode, so hopefully we resolve this. I don't care. I don't know. It's a small gripe. You know, like, these little things are small. It's not enough for me to even dwell on. It's just kind of funny to laugh at and make fun of. But the show is good.

Plus, they use her with the shots so that we can see her from behind, which is enjoyable from time to time. Okay, keep her in the show. Right, that's fine. Just give me the close up there as they're standing in the crowd of her from behind. We're fine. She's still here. Because we got, you know, we got Virginia, you know, showing the cleavage, show in the chest for a lot of the show. And I even got some people texting me other than you and Max saying, disappointing.

Yeah. that's what I was going to say okay good we're tracking you're not alone you're not tracking Jeremy right in the middle of it goes ooh cleavage disappointing

why are you people like this really funny so anyway so then we get back to you know we have the struggle and we have the lineup and we do the deal and we have Dakota back at the dam

and you know Morgan you know gets you know, the only person that obviously could make that deal with Morgan and Virginia and not just killer was Sherry, and that's the person they run into. So they're back at the dam, you know, alive. And we do the whole, you know, she's wheeling and dealing to stay alive. And Morgan's going to let her go. Yeah.

Morgan's going to send her west with the kid. Oh, incredible. We have a twist in this episode that Dakota is not. Virginia's sister. She is her daughter. I know, man. You're going to talk about a soap opera. Wow.

It's so funny, you said that on the text, and that was exactly the same thing I was thinking. It's hilarious. It's like my wife loves Mexican novellas. My mother-in-law, when she was alive and living with us, I had novellas running in my house every day, man. This is exactly what you'd find out. You know, it'd be like, I'm really, she's really my daughter. or, you know,

that affair that I've been having is with your brother. Yes. My brother? What's going on? You can't love him. He's your brother. It was pretty...

That was a surprise, honestly. I wasn't expecting that. Honestly, joking aside, or any of you expecting her, Dakota to be your daughter and not her sister? No. Not really. But the problem is you have to kind of care, and I don't know that I did.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm okay with leaving her as her sister and just killing them both, to be honest. Fine, okay, darn, darn the luck. Right, right. And it was a straight, at the very beginning, just to jump back at the beginning, when June was burying John. And she takes the gun from him from the grave, and, you know, the ranger, put that down. What do you think you're doing?

I'm burying the guy and I'm taking the weapon from him, so we have an extra weapon. What are you talking about? That was kind of felt really pushed there. I just think the same thing. Yeah, it's like, why is it such a big deal that she would take her dead husband's gun as a keepsake? Really? Yeah, it was forced, for sure. Anyway, and so then we're back and Virginia makes the deal, right?

And she's going to do it. And then I was, the whole time that June was there, I'm thinking, just don't even stop talking to her. Just kill her. Stop it. And June, I think, was actually going to help her. I mean, she did, right? She rewrapped the wound and was talking to her. And Virginia should have just shut up, but instead was continuing to talk.

And she talked her way out of living. And it was fantastic. Oh, yeah. It was fantastic. Just put a bullet in her head for June puts John's hat on and walks away. So what happens to her? Right?

So we've got Morgan, we've got the damn people with the no-name land, right? We've got the mass people. We got Strand taking over Western Khan. We have the end is the beginning people. And we have June just storming off. What happens? Does she just storm off and come back?

Ask for forgiveness, sorry. That's what I ask. assume. Yeah. Or maybe, you know, she sets up the new June hospital and takes care of everybody. Or she's going back to the cabin to be a loner like John was. I mean, she could end up being Switzerland, right? And everybody uses her as taking care of their sick. She's too big of an actress just to kind of go off and you show every once in a while. Right. You know, I don't know. I would assume she, they showed her walking off, but I'm assuming she stays with the community. I don't know. Right.

She has to go be alone, but when we come back, you know, a time jump or whatever, you know, she gets back and we've forgiven her. We forgot to mention before she died, the failed execution of Jenny by Morgan. Yeah. Did you? I don't know. That felt really forced to. I don't know. I just, because we're all kind of wanting, knowing that he's not going to do it.

But they went through that whole process of him struggling about chopping her head off, but the whole time you knew he wasn't going to do it. So, I don't know, just seemed really forced. That's part of the, just what's agonizing about the Morgan character. I mean, you love Morgan, but it's like you love Rick, and you knew that you were going to have a season of Rick seeing a ghost and being all down on himself. And then you were going to have another season where he was. as being a badass.

Then it would go back and he'd be like, we're trying to reclaim his humanity. And then we had a season of Rick under Negan's boot. So they're just, right, yeah, timid Rick. I mean, it goes, going back and forth. And it's the same thing with Morgan. At one point he's sharpening his knives and the other one he's, you know, letting this lady that terrorize them go off and whatever. You know what I mean?

Frankly, I don't know. He's sharpening his knives in the next moment. he's planting cilantro in the guards. That scene, the fake execution scene, somewhat reminded me of the end of season eight where Rick spared Negan. I think that was what they were going for, like Morgan taking Rick's example.

There's a lot of comparisons of how they did Rick and how they're doing Morgan. I don't know, you don't, whatever, I don't know. Max pointed out in our text that this is pretty consistent with how they have Morgan. And I agree, it's just so agonizing. Yeah. Yeah, no question.

And let's, you know, we had, oh, shoot, I was, it's going to use an analogy for Morgan, which is kind of agonizing, and I don't remember exactly what direction I was going to go, because he's such a torn individual, and now he has grace with, you know, not his kid, but his kid. I guess he feels that way. He's going to bring a new baby into the world and be the father, ick. and, you know, plant green beans in the garden.

So, you know, there has to be a war, right? Something's got to switch him off again. And maybe, maybe even, like I said, hopefully, if Morgan wants to plant green beans, Daniel can take over. Yeah, yeah. But we find out in the preview for next week, right, the dam has a breach, which is not going to be good. I don't know who sent all the walkers to the dam,

but someone had to. I don't know if that was, if it's going to be Strand or the mask people or the end is the beginning people, but we see, you know, a horde or a herd coming to the dam, which, you know, is not going to be fun. The previews look good, man. I got to say, they don't look like they're letting up much.

So that's the whole thing, right? We have 16 episodes. We have seven left. in this season, and the first two have come out of the gate. They've got to do some serious, if they continue the pace. And it appears that they're going to. You're right on the last episodes of Walking Dead, man. They better hop sing.

Yeah. They're setting the bar. Like, it's so funny. That was my first thought, is like usually the Walking Dead set the bar, fear had to live up to it. Now it's like fear is setting the bar. Now walking dead has to live up to fear. It just seems so backwards.

And maybe that's what they want though, right? Because this is the end of walking dead and fear's going to remain. So maybe that's what they want. They're going to, you know, they want fear to be the leader because it's going to end up being the leader. And with dead, I think, at least I hope, I think

season 11 from what we've been told will be what we want it to be, which is giant... action-packed great episodes. Because apparently, quotes from some of the actors, they have been filming for a while, and they're at the time of this interview, which was about three weeks ago, they were filming for already like four weeks, and they were only on episode three of the season,

where usually when they film that long, they usually get through six episodes of filming. So that's how big these episodes apparently. are. I hope that's the case and not just slow moving through COVID protocol filming, which is possible as well. I hope that's not the case. For Walking Dead, it's going to be harder, in my mind, for them to really deliver, because they've gotten rid of so many beloved characters that, I don't know, like, they're going to have to invent plot lines that weren't there, you know, in the comics, and it's, well, to be seen, to be determined, if they can do it, but, you know, Rick's not there, Michone's not there.

Maybe Rick comes back. Maybe Rick comes back so that he lays the groundwork for the movies. That'd be so cool. Like, final season come back for a limited, you know, a few episodes. That'd be so cool. It's so neat. The object of finding him, right? And then he's back and lays the groundwork for the film so that the people, new audience, knows who he is.

That would be a hell of a surprise, and that would so interject. the fan base. Yes, it would. They've got to do that. Yes, it would. Yeah. All right. So next week, we're back with Fear, the Walking Dead, and their episode, the next week is called Handle with Care.

So we'll see if they keep up the pace. Previews look like they would. And we'll be here for you. So remember to subscribe to Chewing the Fat so you know when the podcasts are up. Of course, you know, talking Walking Dead is weekly and chewing the fat. And I work my tongue to the bone for you on that podcast every single day. Jason Buttro, Maximus Fisher. Thank you for another week of Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition.