Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S7 E10 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: April 25, 2022

Season Seven Episode Ten TITLED: Mourning Cloak WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB - When Charlie shows up at the tower unexpectedly, Howard recruits a young Ranger in training to determine the reason for her visit. As they journey beyond the tower together, Charlie's true motives are revealed. Join us each week as we discuss the latest developments in the new episode and what we expect in the future.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 7, episode 10, titled Morning Cloak, M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G, cloak. We should be mourning something, that is for sure. This is Talking Walking Dead, Fear Edition. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butcham, and Maximus Fisher. Episode description on IMD-B, when Charlie shows up at the Tower on Expectedly, Howard recruits a young ranger in training to determine the reason for her visit as they journey beyond the tower together. Charlie's true motives are revealed.

It was an interesting love story on fear last night. As I watched it, I was about, you go through what actually happened, and I think I was about three quarters of the way in. and I wrote in the notes, Tonight's love story, agonizing. It's in the notes. It has to be said. It's in the notes.

So, I mean, I have a feeling, and this is, I wonder, and I'll get your thoughts, and maybe I'm off base. But I just feel like, have we lost the budget

for fear altogether? Because when I, when you look at the characters for fear, Lenny James, we just go to the characters Morgan Alicia Victor Luciana Dwight Sarah Sherry Wes Daniel all credit only for this show they weren't in it that's uh I mean are we out as the budget gone are we history I don't understand it was really frustrating well we know we're

getting Daniel Wes and Luciana next episode but but how much right like they could have cut a trailer for this episode and we would have thought it was going to be great right with the with the acting talent like what's his name uh okay come dory john dory oh john dory senior yeah great awesome actor and he had little snippets and if they would have edited in just a few of his you know him yes june some of these others were like oh my gosh this is going to be awesome but then they're restricted to like five minutes of screen time or something yeah maybe maybe maybe Maybe tops. Can we say this? Howard was great in this episode. Yes, and it does appear that Howard is all in, right? We talked a little bit before as perhaps he was a weasel behind the scenes for Strand, and it appears that he's all in. At least this episode made it certainly appear that way.

Yeah, if there's anything to take out of this episode, it's just Howard has kill me written all over his forehead. Like, kill me in the most horrible way possible. Well, you don't like Howard? I thought you did. Oh, God. No. He's the sniveling, conniving guy that's behind the real guy in power that tries to act like he had some kind of power.

I will say, I do like the Strand Howard plan of if you're not around, we're going to kill you. I like that. Yeah. I do believe in that. There's so many times in real life that people would be dead, but because it's obviously a show that people don't kill. You know, like the young ranger, I felt like in real life would have already killed, what's her face? Charlie? Yeah, Charlie.

He would have killed her early on, you know, when he was out hunting butterflies. Now, I realized that, you know, we had to get to the love story and take your mask off and take a look at her and, you know, see who it was. I get that. But I feel like in real life, she probably would have died right there. What's funny is in the beginning of this, they kept on showing that guy. and I was like, Ali. Yeah, Ali. He was the guy, right from the beginning,

the note that I had written down was, this is the guy that's in the lighter colored Star Trek uniform that goes out on the away team. Yeah. Like, he's a complete unknown, comes out, they show him so much. I was like, okay, when's he going to die? In the beginning, the middle, or the end?

That's really the only question I had. I thought that too at the beginning, although about halfway through, I felt like, you know, I guess they could turn him into a, decent character possible. I genuinely kind of liked

Ali. What they did with him near the end was kind of eh, but I genuinely liked him as a character so far. And then I was

genuinely surprised they killed him. That doesn't excuse the writing this episode. I wasn't surprised at all. I knew he was going to die because he was a complete nobody.

But yeah, I agree with you, Max. I liked him too in the beginning because he was like, he was so calm and collected

getting that butterfly and then stabbing the walker in the head. I was like, oh, he's kind of a badass. I was like, I kind of like this kid. But then it went off the rails.

Well, I mean that... Well, you like the bowling scene, Dad. I mean, look, all right, let's be clear. I am not opposed to having a... I'm sorry? You did like the bowling scene? I'm so glad that's, too... I'm not opposed to having an episode

where I have to look at Charlie. I'm just not opposed to that. being a fine actress that she is. However, that whole bowling alley thing, the love story and the whole thing. I will say another good thing about this episode, no Madison,

which makes me think that gets me back to my budget issues, right? We announced this big deal of Madison coming back, and she's still not back. Yeah. What's going on? No, she's too high price of an, actress, right? I know.

I just got to use it very, very sparingly. I mean, she doesn't even get a credit only on the IMDB stuff. I think she might be saved for the mid-season finale. I could be wrong, though. Okay. But, I mean, we just, none of the big characters, it just really concerns me that the rest of the season is going to be budgeted issues. Yeah, even if you're a fan of Madison, right?

Even if you are on board with bringing her back, then you've got to be pissed at this as well. Yes. Yeah. Right? I mean, you're holding her, like, you're pissing off the people that are die hard walking dead fans by even having this abomination of a character back in the show. You're pissing off the other people that are just dumb that actually like her by not bringing her into the show. Right. I can't figure out the strategy. Well, that's the point, though, right? I mean, that's the point that Jason's making is that now you're making everybody mad. Agreed. If you're going to bring her back, let's get her back. Let's have her.

And I bet a lot, I'm just saying, I'll let the band-aid. I'm just saying, even though I haven't read a lot of reviews for this episode or none, actually, I'm betting a lot of Nick fans were hoping Charlie would die this episode. Well, technically she kind of did, right? She got radiation poisoning. That's a plus-ish. The Charlie character is so annoying to me. I did not understand why we're having this full-on episode, just a Charlie episode, as if anyone was asking for it. We did before.

remember when her and Alicia were stuck in the house? Remember that? The flooding house? Oh, yeah. Yeah, Charlie episode? Yeah, Charlie and Alicia. When Alicia was planning on getting revenge on Charlie, but then Alicia took in. They were stuck in that god awful house.

Half an episode featuring Charlie is half an episode too much. But she knew how to take out a board in an elevator that nobody could figure out in this pit building. I didn't understand that from the beginning. So I was like, she's got to be making stuff up because she just keeps on being annoying with all the questions. You know, like she kept on like, she's trying to act like she'd be a good person in the tower, but she keeps asking these annoying questions. And I'm like, what the hell? Like, you're not doing, making a good case for yourself. Plus, but then they were out, when they, after they left the tower and Ali and her are out riding the horse doing their ranger thing going to the pit for the elevator, I'm at one point, I remember thinking, shut up.

Yeah. Shut up. Stop talking. I know. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, but just the whole plot, it was ludicrous. Like we have this,

first off, Morgan, there's no way Morgan is sending a 13-year-old girl. It was not even 13 yet, right? She's about to turn 13. Well, I think she said that when they were in the sub and the systems were online,

it showed that she would be turning 13. So it's been a while after that. So she's, well, she's at least 13, and I'm guessing probably it's been what, how long since the, since the ground zero bombs has been a year? I don't know. I'm guessing. I don't, I'm not sure of the timeline there. So anyway, so 13 year old girl, there's no way Morgan is sending her off on some dangerous infiltration assignment. Like here's a 13 year old kid.

He didn't even want to send Alicia out. Right. Yeah, right. I'm going to send this 13 year little girl. And I mean, come on. Everyone's buying into this. It's like, it's like the plot from The Hobbit. Like she's what?

Some master assassin. Like master, not not master. Master thief that's going to go in and she's like, you know, proficient and cat burglary, this 13 year old little girl. Anyone else have to get a board out of an elevator? I mean, I will say, I am not an elevator repair man. And I respect all elevator repairmen. They did.

But I do believe with a screwdriver and a hammer, I could probably, take that board up. Right? Howard's like, I've read Lord of the Rings, right? So we need a thief, like a Hobbit. What's the next thing? Well, at least Howard's makes sense. Someone that is Hobbit size. Time out here. It can sneak in and do this. Let's get a third. Howard's plan makes sense. He's sending Allie, like if we have to go with this, he's sending Allie a new recruit who wants to be a ranger out to test him and to test Charlie who says she wants to live there. He didn't believe her. And he was right. Yeah, so Howard. was correct on this. Morgan, on the other hand. Right. If we were to believe that Morgan sent her there, which is, you know, again, I find that very difficult to believe, although that's what they... Also, another thing, too. Operation Deploy the Hobbit. Yes, that's a good plan. Another thing, he did send other people. That's why that one ranger committed, committed suicide. But we have other people who have said he did, so okay. Yeah, well, he was with, he was with, That Ranger that committed suicide that came back with radiation poisoning, wasn't he with Victor and now Victor's out alone waiting to sneak back to the tower?

Wasn't that the deal? I think so. Yeah, I'm so confused on who was doing what. I thought they were lying about the Ranger that came back dying as far as going to get that elevator part. I thought that, like, because they made that comment later, like, why is Strand sending people to the, the crater or whatever. I assume that meant ground zero and that's where they were getting the radiation sickness. I don't know. I was completely confused. Right, which I would, which I thought was the pit. And then I got the thinking that the, then somehow it made me think that the building was the pit.

So I'm not quite sure. I missed that in there because, right, they believe that they're sending people into ground zero because I guess the stalkers believe that there's more walkers in the pit than there was before. Right? Yeah. So. Hopefully we get answers at some point soon. I don't know if we'll have the budget for that. We're just going to leave everybody hang.

Well, with the promo for next episode, it looks like we're going back to Ground Zero with Arno. So. Okay. And I must say this as well. I was really excited that this next episode is titled Ophelia. And it's got Daniel in it. And I'm happy that they have my boy in there. I love him.

I love his character. except when you read the description of the show, it says that Daniel's worsening mental state ends up endangering them all. So they're still, they're going to make him still be crazy. And I hate that. He's too good of a character for that. That's stupid. I know. Though one line from the trailer, which I know you loved, which was Daniel said something along the lines of, I'm scared of what I'm going to have to do to them.

right well but that's because and i understand that and maybe that's when he you know he's lucid then he hasn't gone it hasn't it hasn't gotten uh nighttime yet so he hasn't had his sundowning mental uh breakdown but to continue on with the daniel mental breakdown boo i don't like that at all and i've been talking about that before it just drives me insane but it was really frustrating i mean once again, fear pulls the rug out from under success.

Right before our eyes. In the midst of an awesome trailer right before you see. It's so weird with fear because fear can sometimes be genuinely great and a lot of times can be just bad. The thing with fear,

like I actually thought this episode might have been them like buttering us up or getting us used to content like Tales from the Walking Dead or whatever you know like these standalone stories which I would be perfectly on board with if they weren't teasing this overall

larger story I'd be fine with it I'd be like whatever I'll watch it it's mindless fun you know what I mean and we can't expect the same because Tails has a different showrunner so but I mean but as it is now like teasing this story

this huge story and then we get episodes like today which I don't know. Like it felt like a one-off and then it also felt like they were copying world beyond in some ways. I don't know. And they try, you know, they're setting up with their little points of, you know, sending people to the pit and out and about with the stalkers. And, uh,

am I to believe that these stalkers are out stalking and a few walkers come through a door and they can't survive? Sorry. Yeah. No. I do not believe that. I was thinking the same thing. Like six walkers come out. I was like, come on.

Come on. Come on. And, Ali is just, you know, standing behind the door. So we did see, though,

that you can't really, like, unless you're all geared up, you can't really get close to the walkers. Otherwise, you'll end up like what Charlie did. That's why they were using guns. See,

this is the thing. But Ali had the guy breathing out of him, and he's fine. He was all geared up. He still had the mask on. Okay. I think I have to go back and look at that scene because I don't know that he did. It's obvious. It's obvious because they're used to raping the walkers and not fighting them.

So it's a completely different style. You know, they have to switch up their mindset on a whim and he can't easily do that. And I'm all four spending a little money to a little to advance of that theory. I know that theory is wrong, but I love it. Let's make that happen. I want to see more of that. So, and then at the end, you know, when you talk about, okay, So then you talked about John Dory, Sr.

And it was interesting that he sided with Howard and Jane was pissed. June. Or June. I keep calling her Jane, because I barely like her character. June. And June was angry at him for siding with Howard, and he's saying, no, I mean, Howard's, I got to get Strand's ear. I've got to be with Howard.

I got to be in there to get Strand's ear. Okay. So he's got some, at least. least method to his madness. But June gets all cocky with Howard thinking that Strand needs her more than Howard. And I'm kind of like, okay, I mean, I realize that you're the nurse doctor. But we could find somebody else to put the bandage on. Yeah.

I've hated the June character. Ever since there was that one scene when John was like basically begging her. and then he had to drop. Remember when she drove off and then he had it off the other way? Yeah. Oh, yeah, with Virginia. Because remember, she said she thought she had Virginia's ear too. Too far. I don't, yeah. You haven't learned that thing. It's like her. It's like Sherry. You know what I mean? Like, she's the same way. Like, how many times are you going to screw over this other person before you're just considered a loss cause?

Yeah, that's enough. That's enough. I agree. And so anyway, you know, this episode was a cute little love story. with Charlie and Ali. I will. And I don't believe that the guy originally in the beginning committed suicide. I feel like they killed him, right? I feel like that was the underlying message. I would say that, but Wendell, John Dory, Sr., Grace, and June were up there when it happened. They wouldn't lie about that.

At least I don't think June would. Okay. Yeah, June probably wouldn't. And it was good that, you know, we did get Wendell for, you know, know 30 seconds on the rooftop saying i'll go with you to get prepared to leave the tower you can tell me about my sister because i thought originally he was going to go with you and i thought i'm not going to take you out there uh i'm going to wheel your ass around out there with the walkers but he just met down to the preparation room man i like the character i just find it and which we've

talked about before i mean but i find it strange that he has survived this long. And even still here like the way Strand's running this place is if you bring value, you know? Right. He's an engineer. He just sits in his wheelchair of crying. He's an engineer, so

it makes sense that Strand's like, okay. He's an engineer. They just pulled that out of nowhere. He's a truck driver. Oh, and he dabbles in some engineering. You know, that's what he does. This way does. You know. You also build boats.

We didn't mention that. I mean, it's possible, I guess, you know, somehow we come up with the storyline that that's how he became paralyzed, had to be in the wheelchair. And instead of continuing on his engineering platform, he decided to drive a truck with a sister, right? That's so ridiculous. It's possible. And that's why he had the cool thing to get in and out of the semi, because he developed that, right? As the engineer, I guess. Obviously, you need to walk to be able to design things, you know, that those, that's obvious.

How dare you? How dare you? So dumb. You know, now, Jason does not speak for this show. Okay. You do not have to walk. We have to say this, which was genuinely surprising. So after fear, like a couple weeks ago, 61st Street came on.

So my guess was, oh, okay, talking, I'm sorry, the show that comes on after Walking Dead, or I guess the show that would come on after Walking Dead, or I guess the show that would come on after 61st Street would come on, but I checked. No, it's just a replay of this episode. There was no episode of Chris Hardwick's after this. I know. That's what we were saying early on. Oh, that was all there.

That was pre-recording. That was off air. So that does tell you maybe perhaps something about this particular episode, that even Hardwick was like, yeah, it's going to be a stretch for me to talk good about this show. So I got to go home. I got the new baby at the house. that and the overall hype for this series period you know what I mean like if

if it was that great you would think they would make room for it because you know what I'm saying like if it was still going well they've done that for the other shows they would have their new release and then they would still have Hardwick afterwards after right and they did the first couple weeks

right first or the first week they did a talking other show and so you know anyway it was just it was just a an interesting tidbit that he had he was not there and maybe maybe he won't be there now until the finale of fear and maybe they just take it away because he was begging he was begging last week to with the end of dead coming that he wanted to maybe amc can do talking sol and you know he can have more work and i know he was joking around but i felt like that was not really a joke It was more of him saying, hey, I don't want to lose this gig. It's been a great gig for 10 years. Why don't we figure out something to do?

It'll be great. Because, I mean, Better Call Saul is at the end, too, by the way. Just a side note. I realize this is Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition, but this is the final season of Better Call Saul, season. And it's a vastly superior show. No question. I just got done, I just got done binging the first five on Netflix.

and I just started. I'm going to catch up this final season. I think we're two or three episodes in. I mean, Bob Odenkirk is awesome. Are you going to be, after this show's over, are you going to be watching Breaking Bad? Oh, I don't know.

I've watched most of Breaking Bad often. I mean, that's long gone and over. But I'm just saying that Saul, no question. Far superior to fear. Oh, my God. It probably is. I'm not going to deny that. Oh, my God.

It probably is. No, it is. I haven't seen it. So I can't make the judgment. Definitely better. You know, every character that they go back and forth with the different entities are really good. I love the way they do that. Anyway, so next week, like I said, we've got, it's called Ophelia.

And hopefully, it'll be good. But again, we have no Madison mentioned. I don't know when she shows up. Max is probably right. She may show up at the finale, which makes, zero sense zero sense to me and just I don't understand

that thinking at all to make such a big deal about bringing her back and then not have her show up at all and then have all these characters in the show these huge characters for fear that we want people to love

and be a part of and they get a mention from underlings on the show during the episode we know Dwight's going to be next episode Come on. That's just, yeah, we might not even get the big names next episode. I mean, you know, obviously Dwight is a strong character, but I'm just saying that, you know, Morgan and Alicia and Victor, you know, we may not even get those. That's, I was thinking that last night towards the end. I was like, all the things they could do with this show. There is so many possibilities. And what do they give us? The Hobbit love story. That's stupid. Very disappointing. And I got to say this again.

Fear does it again. They did it twice in a row now. They take a character who I genuinely thought, oh, this guy's a cool character. The writing could be a bit better, but I like this guy's character, and they kill him off. Yeah, I mean, that's...

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