Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S7 E16 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

TALKING WALKING DEAD / FEAR EDITION  Season Seven Episode Sixteen  Title: Gone     WELCOME TO IT…With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher  The sixteenth and final episode of the seventh season of AMC's Fear The Walking Dead. It is the one-hundred and first episode of the series overall. EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB: Morgan finds a new ally who turns out to be more trouble than he bargained for.  Join us each week as we discuss the latest developments in the new episode and what we expect in the future.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 7, episode 16. Yes, the season finale, titled Gone. That makes this Talking Walking Dead Fear Edition. Welcome to it with myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butrom and Maximus Fisher. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Episode description on IMDB, Morgan finds a new ally who turns out to be more trouble than he bargained for. And of course, this is the 16th and final episode of the seventh season, the 101st episode in the series overall. It was less agonizing than expected for me.

Yeah? Jason? I was holding out any reservations in the Madison character until I saw how, you know, the new Madison under newer writers. And now she's just as dumb as before. I didn't see anything different. In fact, that's exactly what I would expect from how you would write a character like her to do something completely idiotic, you know, and use that as your driving force.

But the plot was dumb. The people behind it are dumb. Madison is dumb and gone is pretty much how I feel about me watching this show. Oh, no, baby. Season 8 is just around the corner. And it sounds, and season 8 looks like it. might be actually good because we have Fondre. You say that again.

You say that every time. Do not say that again. Oh, it's like, did you see the preview? Oh, my God. It looks great. I'm the same thing of myself. When I'm reading about, you know, I'm reading about, I'm listening to them talk about it, watching the previews of what they're working on.

I mean, they're talking about, you know, a very different environment that will be different in many ways. It's going to be centered around with the water, you know, because if we, and we'll get to the inner workings of the episode, but at the end, they're headed out to what you think is Padre, although

I don't think that is. I think the ship is just... No, I think the ship will take them to Padre. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the ship takes him to Padre, right? It looked like, it looked like a medical ship or, you know, a wannabe battle ship from the Coast Guard, something like that. Yeah, you're not

rebuilding society on a ship. On a ship. No. You're just not doing it. They're not that big. If anyone that's spent time on a naval ship, you know, it's cramped, it's small. It looks big, but it's not big. It's small.

Right. Especially, I mean, how many people you get on a ship, you're not rebuilding society. Right. No way. This is not going to happen. But it does look like it could be interesting. Shut up. Shut up.

That's the problem with this show, right? And that's how they keep people watching it. They're great at concept. You know, a new show set in, you know, right at the beginning of the zombie apocalypse and how will they survive in the big city? Sounds interesting. First few episodes are good. Actually, first season was probably good.

And then we got everything following. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that. And when Morgan came on, oh, these episodes are pretty good. We got a cool new character in John. George. Great concept. We got Morgan now, blending the series. He's great job.

John Dory, this really cool cowboy who has Such a good concept. Yeah. I agree. So did you, what's your initial reaction, Maximus on the season finale? I agree with you, Dad, and less annoying from Madison than I expected. But I still was like, that's kind of dumb with the whole Padre thing. Yeah, making the circle back to Padre was okay.

All right, we got you. I, you know, so I admit, like, so my issues with Madison, right? So my biggest issue is that she's still alive. We'll just get that out of the way. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but we can't, we can't use that right now, unfortunately. So my second big issue is why she is so terrified of these Padre people. Right. Because it doesn't sound like she's been to Padre. She's only been dealing with these overweight looking rednecks that are not scary in the slightest. And they're like, oh, if you think. that what happens now wait until they get a hold of you you're going to have to give some context to that because from what we saw was not scary no we what we know and what we've seen in the past from the universe that's what i was about say i mean we've seen people like megan you know we've seen the whispers like these people are not scary in fact like the in uh the the the mercenaries and the walking dead are a lot more scary than these people oh the reapers the reapers and there's only a few of them So why does she think that to save her two children, you know, Nick and Alicia, she has to run off and be a kidnapper, you know, a serial kidnapper.

I don't get it. Maybe I'm not, we weren't supposed to get it. Maybe that's something thingling out. We're probably not supposed to get until next season. That's my guess. We'll probably find out more about Padre next season. Again, will we? Will we?

I mean, will we find that out? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like that's just going to be this elusive. We're never going to know. Trying to get a grasp above it and we're never going to have it. You know, I don't know. The beginning of the episode, though, I will say, I did love the idea of Morgan Camping in the Trees.

That was a great idea. That was a good. Awesome with the raft. I love that whole idea. I'm happy that the kid is gone. I'm happy that I don't have to hear that crying. kid. I'll tell you that. What's wrong with? It started with him crying, with her crying. Right. And he's out wandering around looking for food. He's got to listen to mom sing. Glad to see the batteries still work. So we'll go out that cranked up for him. No problem.

Batteries up to walkie still work. Good. Like to hear it. That's another thing with the with this show is like a big McGuffin for the past series and a half has been this baby. and, you know, a side McGuffin would be it crying. That spurns the plot, that pushes the plot even more. But the ultimate is the damn baby getting kidnapped. How many times, right? Like, okay, who's the baby getting kidnapped now? We're to run off and find another group.

Oh, you know, it's strand. Okay, got the baby back. Oh, she! Almost said it. Oh, crap. Now the baby's kidnapped again. Let's go off in this direction. I will say, I,

had the over and under and I lost on McGuffin how many times you were going to use that term today. You know, I'm a writer. These words just kind of flow out, you know. They just kind of come out. So I apologize. I'll pay you later. Thank you. I thought it was

only going to be one. So honestly, I'll go more, baby. I'll go more. One thing I didn't mind this episode was the posse of people try, like of the parents trying to get their kids back. I didn't mind that much. Okay.

Can I say what annoyed me about the parents? So that totally made sense and I get that. And the posse is a great MacGuffin to push Morgan, you know, to link up. I've already lost. Okay. But

the posse, I do not understand why they're wearing burlap sacks over their head. I don't get that either. And it was like a competition with it was like you know like in the military we have a bad mustache uh like month where everyone grows a bad mustache it was almost like they had a okay guys this month we're gonna see who can make the scariest looking burlap sack right you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying it didn't seem it didn't seem like they were wearing it as a safety purpose you know like that wasn't they wouldn't have the mask on to keep them from the walkers well what's the point

i didn't understand what the point was either it was really strange the main guy would take it off So you know, you get his point across. He put the mask back on. I'm like, why are you wearing it then? I will say I did enjoy when he threw it to Morgan and I was like, I'm not wearing this. I'm talking about. This thing ain't going on my head, bro. I'm not going to, I'm not going to go out of my way to put this thing on my head.

Although the one, there was one dude that had one that I gave him points for being clever or creative with it. He like cut the bottom so it looked like a beard. I saw it. It looked like he had a beard. They were like wrapped around. So it did look like a dreaded beard. dreadlock. It looked like the bad guy from one of the

Pirates of the Caribbean movies where it was like exactly what it looked like. It's just dumb, right? It's just dumb. Right, just dumb. And it was a good it was a strange kind of double-cross thing with the girl.

What's your name, Ava? I guess your name was. I was surprised they killed her off. And it was fast. Right? I mean, they tried to tell him not to go to the boathouse and then the next thing you know they're floating up to the shore dead yeah and so that's supposed to i guess make us believe that the padre guys are badass right they're that's supposed

to make us believe that you didn't want to mess with these people okay um all right you got me and i will say this uh one of the disappointing things to me and i know it's the show i got it we're suspending our belief of things but there was absolutely no reason why Madison would not have killed Morgan in the beginning when she came to take the baby. Absolutely no reason. Well, she hasn't killed any of the parents either. Remember that? Yeah, I guess.

That's why the, that's why the posse exists. That's why Ava faked being pregnant. She doesn't kill the parents. She just takes the kid. Okay. All right. You're right. But she killed a crap ton of the parents when she was going after Morgan and stole the baby initially.

Right. So she stole babies from all of them and then just shot them indiscriminately when she went to take. So why not just... Another baby. I didn't understand why, again, I know it's the show. And, you know, I don't want Morgan to die. I got it.

But it didn't make sense to me why she wouldn't, why it was such a big deal to keep Morgan alive. You know, I'll kill you if you follow me. Why not just kill him there? And I remember her whole entire reasoning for doing this for them was because she's afraid

If she doesn't do it for them, they're going to go after Alicia and Nick to have them do her job. So they are so powerful and they have nothing better to do. There's nobody else available. They're going to go on a scavenger hunt to find one person named Nick and one person named Alicia, which they have no idea. It could be in Louisiana. They could be in Georgia. They could be in Texas.

They don't know where the hell they are. But she's so frightened that they might try that. She's so frightened. You know, she's got to do this because that. possibility is out there. Right. It's also possible they could find like, you know, cast members from Disney World dressed up as Mickey Mouse. I mean, they could even find Mr. McGuffin. They might find Ms. McGuffin. Yeah. And have them go find eggs, quote unquote, eggs. Shut up. I mean, good God, man. Eggs. Really? I will say that, you know,

perhaps, like, I know it sounds like, you know, she was actually brainwashed. It was almost a cult kind of thing. that when they had her in the, I guess it was the belly of the ship, right, where they were brainwashing her. And, but the point was is that the only reason she was really doing it was because they have access to oxygen. Right. I mean, that's the only, in my estimation, the only reason she did any of it was because she needed the oxygen or she would die. I thought, I'll go out and get some kids for you. Just make sure you keep my oxygen tanks full. The oxygen thing, yeah, I was thinking, it was always in the back of my mind that they might have drugged up.

that oxygen, so that's why she was acting so crazy and just out of character. But then I realized no, because there's no depth for Madison and Clark, and she's just written horribly, and you can get her to do anything, because she's just dumb. The character's dumb.

We had to figure out a way to get her back, but get her back into the episodes. I mean, I like the way Morgan found out who she was. Okay, I have two scenes I really like this episode. The one where he found out who Madison was, that was a good scene. and the scene in the crypt where she breaks open the grave,

it pulls out the grandpa shotgun. Yeah, that was a good scene. I like to do, yeah. And I like to set up to it. There was like, I think twice. Like one, when Morgan walked in, he saw like an old World War II photo of him holding that shot. Yeah, yeah.

And another one, when they were in her room, he was holding that same shotgun. They made a point to show that. Yes, they did. That was cool. That was a good setup. And as, you know, Madison's Circle Kill at the beginning, was cute and you knew that you knew that she was going to I do like I did like the the parents the mask the

burlap sack people I did like the way they you know they bury you know head above sand and wait for high tide so you drowned so you have the beach full of walker heads yeah I kind of like that that was kind of cute yeah that was in the when you watch the AMC plus version of it, one of the show creators talks about how that was like an wait in the old west to kill people. And they heard about it and wanted to incorporate it. When I first saw that, it reminded me of,

was it Creep Show 1? I think it was, either Creep Show 1 or Creep Show 2. One of the little mini episodes in that movie was the same thing. Was that? Yeah. Nice. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, so it was a throwback to them. And that was kind of cool to see. Although, again, you know,

the where are we getting where are the Padre people getting all of this stuff I mean it's been we're a long ways down the road now and I mean the shelves are empty people are scavenging we've had nukes go off and the Padre people are still looking to raise children and have access to oxygen and food just seems I mean I don't know where that's coming. from military base makes the most sense to me i was always thinking that you wonder where i was always thinking that you wonder where rye island but then i now i'm thinking guantanamo bay cuba would be a really cool spot to have podre end up at they got boats there there's a naval port you'd have that a naval boat it's on an island and a huge military base i think right i'm leaning now more towards guantanamo bay and that's the closest i mean if they're they're in the Gulf now, right, are close to it. You know, access

to the Gulf. I was about saying, I wonder where they fully are. Because they're not in, they're not in Galveston anymore because it's Louisiana. Yeah. They're in Louisiana? Yeah. So, I mean, you have your, the ship is going to be in the Gulf, in the Gulf of Mexico. So

you're the only, the only place out there are oil rigs. And that's not big enough. That's a, you know, that's not big enough to have a city. I mean, I know that there's small cities in and of themselves, but you're not reinventing society on an oil rig. And it reminded

me of, you guys ever watched that? Was it a show on crap? I can't remember FX. I can't remember it was on for a long time called The Last Ship. Yeah, I watched all of those. Yeah, well, I watched, anyway, I gave up, I think, the last season. So I haven't gotten that far. I'm in the first season, but remember the first

season plot where they had to go to Guantanamo Bay in a ship that looked almost exactly the same of that one to get supplies? because there was a ton of supplies. I was like, it almost sounds like they're stealing from the last ship. Oh,

that's very possible. Maybe. That's a good call. No, because I, we gave up, uh, I say we,

my wife and I watched that, you know, I was forced to watch it. Okay, I was forced to watch it with her. It's not bad. No, I enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it very much. We got into it. And then I, and then it started to get, I don't know, it gets really good, Jason. I'm sorry.

I'm not spoiling anything for you. Continue to watch. Because I forget how many seasons, It's like five or six total. I mean, there's a lot of episodes. And it's fun to watch. It was well worth it. Yeah, it's fun.

But that's right. That's where you're at. Maybe they are stealing from that. But I'm just curious how they're going to do Padre as a whole. I disagree with you, Dad, where I think they'll tell us, like, what their plan is next season, what they plan on doing and all that, why they're taking kids and from parents. And if a person's pregnant, they split them up and have them live separately because no attachment. well i mean that's what they told her right but if it goes back to the jeff fisher theory where the children are the uh the cure oh not this again it's good uh it was good be it

that that's kind of go along with your theory that uh you know maybe the children who were born here and the during the uh during the time of uh the end of the times they're the cure they're immune And it might not be every kid. You know, maybe the mother, it had to be, you know, that's why they have to take them and test them. It might not be every kid. It only might be because the mother, you know, drank some tainted water or she was, she got pregnant after the dad was already infected. You know, there'd be something that would. But everybody's infected.

But not totally. Everybody may, not totally. the disease isn't isn't showing itself in everyone until you get bad well right so but if you were

look I'm not a scientist or I'm just playing one here for the show all right and I'm just saying that there would be different ways that you could make it work and you know they can call me Shamblis Gimple whatever they can call me

let me know I'll talk them out I'll talk them through it we'll figure it out The carrot dangle for Alicia is kind of agonizing to me as well because you know what that's all about. Like, for one, that's the McGuffin to push, you know, Madison to continue. Already be. But the B part of that is that they're leaving it open in case her show doesn't do well on the other network. So it's like, you know that was a clause in the contract that, hey, I want to move off and do something else. but just in case that gets canceled, just like, what's her name from Walking Dead?

Maggie. Maggie. Just in case her other show gets canceled. Oh, we'll just bring her right on back. You know, so it's like a... Yes. So stupid. Nick's dead, though. Nick's still dead.

He got shot and buried. Nick and hubby, but I mean, it does... It don't matter on this show. It really does not matter on this show. They could bring him back. Watch. I don't think they could bring Nick back. He'll have like the same weird medical immunities that we should.

Alicia had and that's what brought that's what was able to have him fight off whatever was going on with it. You do realize it's been like two years as well and he'll climb out of the yeah but this will take place you know hours after they bury him. He walks out and they don't matter. They don't matter. I don't think that's going to happen. It's never happened

in dead before where someone survived that. What was he eating down in Mexico? The monkey brains or something. Yeah. That's the cure. That's the cure. The cure for a shot. He didn't turn. he'll come back on a white walker

he'll come back like benjamin and uh you know the walking dead like half white walker half walker but he didn't turn he got shot in the chest don't matter it don't matter Madison burnt up in the stadium so did uh Daniel he burnt up in a more of that basement yes he blew up the house they bring them back so it's stupid being burned is different from getting shot this thing don't matter in the show oh my god are you kidding pain

I'm stating facts. I will say it it's interesting how they bring them back. I'm with you, Max. I don't, you know, Nick is not coming back. But darn there everybody else can. I mean, they leave that, they leave it open to bring them back. And it's kind of agonizing.

Because, you know, if we're done with Alicia, be done with Alicia. Let's go. Well, Howard's not coming back. sorry who's what do you mean i was making a joke saying you oh everybody can come back jason how would you bring back howard not remember who howard is the moment i don't either what the strands guy oh bad guys oh yeah bad you can kill them off he's not a big character though he was he was maybe

maybe a b minus for a year character that's it I liked him. I didn't necessarily want him to die, but oh well, off the roof. Jason hated Howard. But on the flip side, every single character on Fear of the Walking Dead

could be rated as B-minus. All of them. Except for Morgan. What about Dwight? As how they're using him? Yeah, with the way they're using him, he certainly could. No kidding. He just shows up to get screwed over by his wife

every once in a while. Why? He forgives her at the end. He shows up. They ask him his opinion. The wife says, no, that's wrong. We're going to do it my way. And they do it her way and it's wrong. Oh, you're right. Duway, we should have done it your way. I'm so sorry, do I. I learned this time. I did. Let's ride off on our horses together. Yeah, yeah. It's okay. And then as they're riding off on the horses, she goes one way and he goes the other. I thought you wanted to go to the beach. No, I want to go to the mountain. No. That's really the way it is. What a clown show. What a clown show? So funny.

That's actually the best way to watch this, sorry, is if you just think, just as you're seeing every show, just pretend that it's a bunch of clowns getting into a car and tripping over their big feet as they come out the other side of the other door. If you think like that, this show is amazing. I don't want to think like that, though. I don't want to. I really don't. So we have, I mean, we've got, we, we, I was hoping that maybe we would find out when Walking Dead would start up again for the last eight episodes.

We did not find that out last night. I can't wait to watch the plan. They're still just promoting, you know, coming, coming soon because they're busy, AMC's busy promoting the end of Better Call Saul and their new big series dark wins. So they're busy promoting those. So we're going to have to wait for those to play out before we find out when the mothership comes back for the final eight. Yeah, that's my guess because after this, it was like, okay, so they're waiting for the mark, when the, after these shows end, then that's when the marketing is going to heavily punch in. At least we'll find out probably at the end of Saul, right? So we have six episodes starting July 11th.

So we'll find out somewhere during the Better Call Saul when Walking Dead is going to start. Probably October. That show's ending too, right? Yeah, final six episodes coming up. This last season's been really good. Yeah, I've been watching it. It's really good. It's really good.

It's really good out of it. And then we have two spinoffs, one that's out and one that is coming out. Right, we have Dead in the Water on AMC Plus, right? That's already, is every episode? Every episode's been out since the beginning. Okay. All right, yeah, they uploaded all of those.

We've got that. And then we have the tales of the Walking Dead coming out. Now, they claim that, You have it labeled wrong. Yeah. Dead in the water follows the USS Pennsylvania, right, as the crew survives the apocalypse and the submarine. But the tales of the Walking Dead are separate episodes, right?

Yeah, like each episode or two follows a different character. We know for a fact one episode does follow Alpha, and we get to the return of Alpha, which Samantha Morton, great actress, glad to see her again, but... Yeah, and they also talked about one of the episodes was featuring the plane crash sequence from the World Beyond pilot episode, their first episode when the plane crashed.

Oh, you get to see why the plane crashed? Yeah. Nice. We get that and we get the aftermath of that because we only saw flashbacks of that from World Beyond, right? because the one girl, the daughter, killed your boy's mother, right?

Elton. Elton, yeah, Elton. How can I not ever remember his stupid name? The corduroy suit boy, Elton, from World Beyond. So we've got some stuff to look forward to. So before, once we find out when Walking Dead starts up again, we'll do at least one episode and maybe two days. depending on what we have to say about Tales of the Walking Dead and Dead in the water.

We'll recap those. And we'll talk about going into the final aid of Walking Dead here on Talking Dead. Well, I think Tales of the Walking Dead isn't AMC exclusive, AMC exclusive. AMC plus exclusive, I mean, it's going to air like normal. So we might do episodes of that. No, I don't think we need to do episodes of each one. I think we just recap it at the end because it's only like, six episodes right tales of the walking dead is only six episodes maybe so once we find out uh once

we find out when walking dead comes back we can do you know we can do one or two episodes and recap tails recap dead in the water and then we can talk about what we expect to happen in the final eight of walking dead because i i'm ready for i'm ready for walking dead i'm i don't i don't care about season 8 of fear. I care a little about the other two shows of the universe. I care a little

about the new Daryl show that they're promoting. I know Chamblis, the guy that wrote and directed and did a bunch of episodes here for fear, he was broadcasting from London last night when he joined Hardwick.

So, I mean, they're already setting up the groundwork for the for the European Daryl Show. Daryl Show. That's why Carol didn't want to go. She wasn't going to be in Europe. So it's really,

we'll see. We'll see what is left for the universe whether or not we're going to find out if we have any of the movies yet to come. You know who lives in London? Oh, God. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Right. So instead of being in Georgia, we're going to film it in Europe. Great time to have Andrew Lincoln pop it out. That's not a bad call.

Yeah. That very well may be why they're filming there. That would be cool. Right. Wow. So Carol and Rick hate each other. That's why she doesn't want to go. No, don't do this.

Don't do this. That's why Carol didn't want to film in Europe. We know Rick was on a boat. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Maybe Rick's in Padra. No, but we do know that that would be a way for them to film the movies, though, and not do it here. Actually, hold on.

I just thought, what if Michone's in Padre? Because she was on a boat and then left, obviously, but often, like, we saw her, like, with that, those mobilizing people? I mean, it's possible, but she's not coming back, right? There's been no. And she's not, Michelle's not coming back to fear. That'd be shocking, though. No way. It would help.

It would help. But, yeah, I doubt it, too. no way I mean she left the walking dead because she went to play you know the superhero movies and she comes back to the dead universe in fear

they better back up the AMC plus money truck for that yeah she's kind of I think moved beyond that because I can't imagine with the way they use their stars where they use them for like two minutes every four episodes why even bother to do that it's not worth it to her no

she's already been part of the universe and she's move down. She doesn't need the Maggie or the Alicia come back to her if another show doesn't work out. She's her stuff has already worked out. Yeah. Yeah, she doesn't need it. Okay. So

what are we looking forward to, Mr. Butchrell in the universe in your mind? I'm really interested in the Daryl show. I think that's going to be cool. Just the opportunities for like brand new walkers in Europe, you know, as teased after World Beyond, I think it could be really cool. That could

inject some fear and excitement into the genre. I'm really looking forward to uh, Negan and Maggie. I think that's going to be cool. Oh yeah. Duh. I forgot about that. That'll be,

that will be a fun episode. That's dope. Yeah. I'm not looking forward. And of course I'm looking forward to the end of the actual series, the actual real series. I'm not looking forward to fear because I just don't think that they have it within them to make it a good show.

And I think that the writers are awful. and I don't think they have any real direction or anything new or any creativity to make this show watchable. I just don't. I'm still going to watch it. I'll watch it until the its finality. But yeah,

it's just kind of laughable to me at this point. Is it worse than world beyond, do you? No, no, it's not worse than the world beyond. Max? I'm definitely excited for now, I know it's already out, but I am interested a bit in dead in the water. Tales of the Walking Dead seems interesting. Depends on what they do.

with it. I'm with Jason. I am excited for the Daryl show and the Negan and Maggie show and obviously the final part of season 8, I mean season 11 of dead. So I hope that goes well. Yeah, I do too. I hope that we are not the reason that we haven't heard the release date or you know the premiere date is because they're busy reshooting stuff or work you know reworking some stuff for those episodes. And I hope that's already... I think we've already... I hope we've come to the

fruition of that. I think it's already like in. There haven't been any rumors of that at all or things. They've already taken down half of the sets over there already. So... If there's not, what's sad is if there's not a major Rick reveal

or revelation at the end of dead in the final season, I'm going to be so disappointed in the entire show. Me too. And that will also mean that the movies are dead. I mean, there's no way. Nobody knows who he is. We have to bring him back.

We have to show Spotlight Rick to move on in the universe. It's just absolutely be disappointing. 100%. All right. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Have a great week. Have a great few weeks because we'll see you again when we find out when we're going to have the finality of Walking Dead. make sure you subscribe to chewing the fat and you'll know exactly when that happens