Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S7 E6 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Season Seven Episode Six TITLED: Reclamation World Beyond / Season Two Episode Eight / Returning Point WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB for Fear - Morgan searches for Al, only to discover that he's not the only one looking for her, and that his search may have put a target on his own back. EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB for World Beyond - The group sets a new plan into motion; a relationship is leveraged; a betrayal forces others to take action. Listen each week as we discuss the latest episodes and what the future may hold in all things Dead… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 7, episode 6, titled Reclamation. We have Fear the Walking Dead. With the Walking Dead world beyond thrown in as well, we've got all kinds of things to talk about, which makes this Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it, Talking Walking Dead, myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher, the IMDB description. Morgan searches for Al, only discover that he's not the only one looking for her. that his search may have put a target on his own back. Now, we can go through all the show notes, and we can, you know, we can find Al somewhat interesting, but I will say twice in my show notes, I wrote down something that I don't know

that I've written down before as I was writing show notes for the show. I am so bored. Right. I cannot take it. Right. I was actually almost wishing for the baby crying episode. I don't know what it was because that's funny that you say that because I was trying to figure out why I was so bored because I was like it was action the entire time. There was like bullets flying.

There was like walkers dying. And I was like it's almost like they tried to create a boring episode and an action packed hour. I don't know what it was. I really don't. Max, I know, is a big fan of Al. I don't mind Al. I'm okay with Al. I'm all right.

I think if I go biased, I liked it because I really do like Al. She's a great character. Yeah, she's a great character. She is, though. I got it. We got you, Max. We got you. We see what's going on.

You know you don't at all. However, if I go by, objectively, I'll agree it was kind of a boring episode. But why, though? I don't know. Like, we had CRM. We actually had CRM again. Yeah. But I guess it's because it just focused on that one story that I don't really care about.

So I was like, and there was nothing really being given up as far as the overall CRM stuff, I don't think. No, not at all. And it's just these two random soldiers out searching for the runaway soldier. And Al's the would-be know-all. I mean, why wouldn't they just kill everything in sight? They already were. I mean, they already tried to kill them. And the standoff with Morgan and the soldiers and grace and then getting away.

And it's just, I don't know. If you would read the description just off of like, I don't know, TV guide, if that still exists or whatever, then it would be like, you know, two post-apocalyptic, you know, soldiers hunt down our two heroes. will they survive. I'd be like, dude, I'm watching this. It'd be dope. Yes. In a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland. I'm like, but no. But no.

And I got that we got the, you know, we're in the post-apocalyptic soldiers and a helicopter with their weapons and we killed them with a pre-apocalyptic cannon. That was kind of cool. I know. But it was

just and they actually fired the cannon correctly and loaded it correctly. I know I've done it before. Yeah, okay, Mr. Civil War reenactor. We got it. Okay. It's fun. No doubt. It was cool. It was fun to watch. But, you know, I don't know. We got jet fuel to fire up the old. I guess it's not an MRAP, right? It is. Yeah, the MRAP. Yeah, okay. Like, yeah, we, like, it survived a nuke. Right. Yeah, I mean, that's a, that's a badass vehicle. So no wonder it runs on jet fuel.

Never mind. At this point, that MRAP is kind of like dog from the walking day. Yeah, the dog. I'm like, it's been with so many people and it's gone off with so many other groups. I'm like, at this point, I'm like, where's your loyalty, dude? Like, I don't care about you anymore. They all know how to drive it. It doesn't matter.

They just slide in and go. Wait, are we still talking about the MRAP here? Yeah, well, I am. Okay, you're talking about it. Because we even got, we even got a little al-Binness going on at the end. Isabel returned. Right. We got all of that.

And yet it still was just, oh, please end. Yeah, I know, right? Like the Isabel stuff, like I cared about it until I realized they were not going to use it to reveal any more CRM stuff. Right. So I'm like, I don't care about you. There was no point to the, there was no end game. Right, exactly. And at this point, that's why, maybe that's why, because I just feel like they're wasting time by just giving me,

they think that I'm going to like the action and all the shootouts and all this stuff. And hey, we're even throwing the CRM. But you're not leading anywhere. I disagree. I think they might lead that. They might lead somewhere in the future hell, maybe in the final episodes of World Beyond or hell, maybe even in the movies. I'm not getting us in credit.

We'll show up in the movies. I'm not giving them the credit on it. Because it's like the end state of this season is not CRM. It's getting down to Padre and the showdown between Morgan and Strand. But they haven't even shown Alicia yet. Right. What are they doing with that? I mean, what do I say?

This is episode six. Yeah, six episodes in. And we just, you know, we believe that Alicia is that Padre. Yeah. We don't know if she is. This is something that, so like if you're watching this, you probably, you know, listen to a lot of, you know, blazed content. But like, I remember writing for Glenn way back in the day when I was first learning.

He was like, you can't hold off a tease for that long. He's like, you got to at least, like, give him a little bit of nuggets, you know, throughout the show. But you can't just, like, have this ultra long tease. Right. Eventually at the end, then you reveal. Look, it's too long at this point. You've got to show us what we're building towards. Pay off has to.

more. I'm shocked from you guys because you're actually asking to see Alicia. Never thought I'd see this day. I like Alicia. I like Alicia. Okay. Let's back up for just a little bit. We're asking to see some end game.

Yeah. And some what's going to happen. And if that means Alicia, that means Alicia. But to have just I mean, we barely care about Al. I know we all love her, tramps and around. We've got to tell the story and all that. And she's the one with the MRAP and it's such a cool thing. But then when she fell in love with a helicopter lady,

then it all went to hell. And so I barely care about her. I have zero care for the girlfriend. I mean, I get we're in love and she's wonderful, but I have zero care for her. Unless she knows something that's going to lead us down the CRM road, which hasn't been revealed at all. We know they want to kill her. We don't know. We know that she knows what? Where some coordinates of some buildings are? I mean, I don't know.

Yeah. What sucks with some of these characters, like Al, I was excited when she first came on the show because she's actually a big name actor. So I was like, oh, they're getting some resources. They can do a lot of cool stuff with. Alicia, a big name actor. The John Dory is really the only one I think they paid off. well at all

and they killed him and that sucked but at least they did it well but a lot of these big name actors these big faces they have all this like firepower as far as acting firepower and they're not using it right like I don't care about the story with Al

just don't care they're just wasting the potential of it it's just kind of I can agree with that it makes me worried for the extended universe the extended walking dead universe because if this is their A game

they're burning us all out on mediocre content right now. They're just burning us out. Well, anybody watch Daryl and Carol, which sounds ridiculous as it is, but if this is what they're bringing to Daryl and Carol, I don't think I'm watching.

They're written by different people. Yeah, the whole thing is run by Gimple, but the showrunners and the writers are different for each show. Right. So. But it doesn't matter if, as long as they're given this, hey, this is where we're going to end up.

You know, right. Like, I don't think it matters. You can have the best writer in the world get on there. If we're not moving towards something that's enjoyable, it's not going to make a difference. And we're going to have, and if they're being told by Mr. All-knowing Scott Gimple that, okay, well, this is our end game, but we don't want to get here through this process. Your process has to be something else.

Your process has to be this over here, and we're not going to give anything away. to this end game because we're going to give it it away in this show, you know, eight, ten episodes down the road. No thanks. Yeah. I said this last week, I think, or maybe the week before, but a big worrying sign to me was that Jadis on World and Beyond was not in the original plan. Like, they just kind of after the fact were like, hey, do you want to maybe be a part of the show again? Maybe we can figure out something.

What are you talking? That was what had me actually wanting to watch the show. And I got to tell you. She has been awesome. Yeah, she's great. She has been awesome. It's hilarious. I just got to remember because I remember us talking about Jadis and the scavengers when she first showed up on dead.

You guys hated her. Because the scavengers were stupid. They were stupid. And she even knows that. She just used them to her advantage. We know that now. But she was cool. The scavengers were stupid, but she was cool.

Like I remember, remember that little look she gave Rick where she was like, you know, you and me well you know something like that where she was a little suggestion and Rick gave this look like oh crap uh no I mean she had two of two great lines last night in world beyond the first one was if I'm right and I usually am yeah yeah jace another and the last one was uh safe for too long and forgotten too much they've been safe for too long and forgotten too much she's ready to wipe them all out yeah and she did and she ordered it she didn't hesitate she didn't mess around she was like yeah Yeah, that's, sorry to hear that. Yeah, kill him. Dude, that's why she's, she is written well. And she delivers it well. But like, she's actually a good villain.

Like, you would actually, she's so cold and non-emotional that you, that's why, that's what makes her so scary. And that's for the cause, right? And she's concerned at the end of the show because she knows that, well, she calls it the rot, uh, has gone so far that it might be the second death. Right. For them. Yeah, it's gone too far.

And there's too much. There's too much. And even if she kills them, it's not going to be enough. Yeah, when I was in the Marine Corps, the rot was something completely different. So that kind of threw me out there. Me too. I know. I know.

There was this kid on the island. Oh, God. I love the island of Spice. But one thing that's really interesting, too, like, okay, I guess we're moving on the world beyond now. it started actually World Beyond started with the flashback yeah the flashback with the mom

building the building the globe and it was actually Jennifer's mom who actually set up everything like under the books so that didn't seem that seemed interesting to me yeah setting up the non-aggression pack with the River City people that we know now are the perimeters. That's what Jay just called them.

The perimeters, not the river city people. Amazing he should call them what I call them. I don't know why that is. And, you know, so it was, and it was, uh, did we, we didn't lose anybody the world beyond, right? Right? Only, only, only hubby Dennis got shot. Yeah, he did that. But he's not dead.

No, we lost one person. We lost the, the one guy from the river civivity people. The weasel. The one that Huck shot dead. Oh, yeah. And then we lost. Which was a great scene. Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was. That was great. That was a cool scene. Because that was the only way out of that for her was to kill him. I knew Dennis was going to get shot. Actually, that he was going to die. I don't think they'll kill him. Because I think I saw him in the preview.

Like, they're tending to his wound or whatever. Right. They are. But you knew when he was like, when he was being a total badass, like, and like concussion grenades and like just taking people out. I was like, oh, he's, this guy's so bad guy. Can't have a cool character. Can't have a cool character on World Beyond.

She can't. I mean, Salas is still hanging in there, okay. My boy, Salas is still hanging in there. Okay, I like him. And that's not bad. Yeah, she's, I guess. I mean, she's one of the less cringy characters on the show. It's just so hard to get around the major cringe game.

You're always, you're keeping. growing on hope. I know that. That's a lie. And then, of course, there's Iris, who we didn't get much of this episode. We didn't not get much of Iris. Whatever we got was too much. She's still alive. I was hoping

that maybe she wouldn't survive the blast. And she was caught in the rubble. Oh, damn. Does she get blown up? Oh, darn. We lost her. Oh, bummer. We did get the obligatory you know, Iris little speeches that they're trying to turn her into like a total badass or something.

I'm like, oh, come on. I know, we've got to do what we've got to do. The funny thing is, though, like, you could tell Hope doesn't agree with everything Iris does. You could tell that. Which is good. Which is good, because then Hope could say, no, you need to, how about zip it? Okay. How about zip it?

And I, the way it was treated with the going, to get their the general's kid Mason Mason when they went to when she went to get him as you know a hostage it was almost like Iris didn't know that she was doing that I was confused with that

because she came back with them and then it was like they all knew oh yeah he's going to be our hostage but when she left to go get him she did it running away from Iris and Iris didn't know what she was doing, I felt. I didn't quite get that crossover, but anyway, that's... But she was in on that to get him as a hostage, right? Yeah, that's what I mean, when they, when she brought him back, right, to the bunker.

And Percy immediately tied him up. Yeah, I mean, they all knew that he was going to be, that he was the hostage. But I'm just saying when they split up, you know, she gave, hope gave her the backpack. and said, I got to go, I'll be back, I'll be back in time. It was just, I don't know, it was weird. Yeah. I don't know, I felt like that was a disconnect. So you could definitely tell Mason's confusion when he's in the bunker.

He's definitely like, what the hell is going on? Well, I mean, he is daddy's boy, though. And while that's a good move for him to be hostage, it's, you know, he's not going to, he may pretend to be on their side at some point because of, you know, the horrors, there's no way. He's,

you know, screw that. He's going to, he's going to, oh, dad, everything was horrible. I know,

son, but it's what we do. Let's go. I loved, uh, jadis is kind of like talking through of everything that happened after the fact. Uh, she was all,

you know, they knew we'd, we'd go into full lockdown when this happens. They, they wanted to, Yeah. Yeah. It was a great scene.

Yeah, it was like, she just, they just need to have a whole lot more of a Jaydison show. Got to. Absolutely. I know, I know you were happy because they gave you a badass silesine.

Yeah. Oh, he was great. I mean, he's, he's struggling with, uh, you know,

wanting to, wanting to like Dennis and not liking him. Because he's a, yes, he doesn't like hug, but he's, you know, he's telling her,

I got it. Right. But you want it. But he's always had this small connection with Dennis, so they know each other. It's like, you get what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So I also see, just as a side note, that fear the Walking Dead is moving out of Texas at some point here.

I mean, I'm not sure if they're done filming this entire season of fear here in Texas. But apparently they're moving to Georgia. they're moving out of Texas because I guess the latest Texas bill cut some of the movie money for the state and so they're like

okay well we'll go to Georgia they do this all the time and screw themselves like a lot of people don't know that like Texas was going to be like a second Hollywood for a while like there and there was all these tax cuts and they were like the place where we work was like one of the main

hubs for it. Yes it was like they were filming a robocop they were filming all these like big productions. And then they did the same thing. They stopped like tax cuts or, yeah, tax cuts for, yes.

And cut the budget. So they moved on. It's the same thing. Like, Texas is stupid on that. That's for sure. You know what that means, though?

That also means that we're not going to be staying in Texas and fear anymore. So, well, we've been wanting to get out of Texas anyway because of the nuclear wasteland it is. And some of it went to Louisiana. So, that's probably the excuse they'll use. Yeah.

I'm sure. Yeah. And so it was anyway, we're down to the last couple of episodes of World Beyond. I originally thought I would be happier that the end of World Beyond was going to end. Oh, don't see it. Shut up. Say it, Dad. Say it. If you'd haven't to cut to the chew-in-the-fat promo and go to... I really appreciate everyone listening.

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I don't know. And that's a good question. So you should subscribe on any platform available to you where podcasts are available. Jason Butchell, any final thoughts on Fear of the Walking Dead and World Beyond this week?

We head into Thanksgiving week. For those of you listening live, today is the 22nd of November 2021. Kind of disappointed in this year's fear. I wish they could have just, they gave a lot of visual things that were cool, a lot of hints of things that were cool. But they prolonged the Padre thing way too long. And I got a feeling that the last episode, is the last episode Padre or is next episode Padre? Let me look down here. I know we have the last episode.

This is Bajar. So I got a feeling that the best episode of the season is going to be the final episode, which is too bad because they could have had a lot more. Maximus. I think, yeah, I agree with you that fear has been kind of disappointing. Hopefully it gets a little better. It seems like it will. World Beyond, it's been getting better.

I'll admit that. World Beyond. This season already is 10 times better than the first season of World Beyond. I think we all can agree on that. I think world, yeah, I think World Beyond is like, I'm not disappointed because I just go in thinking I'm always disappointed over the concept of this show. And then every time something cool happens, like Jadis or something like that, it's just bonus. So whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. It's going to be fascinating to see how they end it. Yeah. And they end the whole thing, because it was a two-season deal. And it'll be interesting. What was the thing that we talked about yesterday about how World Beyond was going to end? There was a theory I saw floating around. On this show, talking walking, go ahead.

That the theory is, our crew's going to lose. Not all of them will die, but they'll lose. And that's how the show is going to end, and that will lead directly into the movies. They kind of got to, right? I mean, they can't win. Right. Not and continue with CRM, right? No way.

Right, exactly. Yeah, they have to. in some manner they have to. I guess they could all end up back at River City and paint for the rest of their lives. But that would be it, right? It's hilarious. The only reason to watch this show is because I have a feeling that people like us are just hoping to get some kind of Rick reference in two weeks. That's like the only reason.

I know. Every time a walker shows up from a side room, you're like, is that him? Right. That's not Rick, is it? Well, if he's a walker, then there's nothing to it, then. I understand that. But that's, I mean, we're looking for the shot, right? We're looking and we're getting maybe even if it's a flashback to Jadis, you know,

being, uh, coming in from the trash people. And she's bringing Rick. And then we find out where she took him, right? Something. Fine. I'd be fine with that. Right. Even if he still has, you know, shrapnel in him and he's wounded.

He's almost dead. There he is. We know where he is. Okay, cool. Yeah. I know. Me too. Even though you still think that the movies aren't happening, especially, even if the first one happens, you definitely don't think a trilogy is happening.

Not a chance. Even though Gimple keeps saying it. Not a chance. They don't have a script written yet. They don't have a script. They barely have. Gimple may have a rough draft idea on a wall where he wants it all to go. And what about Kirkman?

He's helping with the movie, too. I know. But they're involved in another big lawsuit. now over money, uh, between AMC and Kirkman and the whole crew about how there, how money was split up. I put the story in the, uh, in the show sheet, that show prep sheet that I sent. And I haven't read the whole thing. But it's all about, uh, the lawsuit between them and money and AMC. So if that's ongoing and I know it's just business, but those just business lawsuits always, always mean that things get pushed off because of the lawsuit.

And so if that keeps getting pushed off even more because they're fighting over pennies, okay. All right, you're never going to see it. Yeah. Never going to see the outcome of it. Just a thought. Just a thought. I know.

I know. Thank you for listening to talking. Well, you know, well, go ahead. I have one more thing to say before we end. Will the Walking Dead movies be like the Avatar movie? movies. Yeah, it very well could be, right? Because we've had one and Avatar 2 is coming out next year. And the world is clamoring for that, aren't they? You can't stop people from talking about when will Avatar 2, let alone three, four, and five come out, right? And Jason,

if you didn't know, that is a thing, it's been confirmed. They're supposed to be three, four, and five after two. Which is never going to happen. What, Cameron's just not going to do it. He'll be dead. He's not even going to be a lie. There's no way it happens. Anyway, thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead.