Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E1 | Game of Thrones

Episode Date: April 15, 2019

THE FINAL EPISODES OF THE FINAL SEASON  The Great War has come, the Wall has fallen and the Night King's army of the dead marches towards Westeros. The end is here, but who will take the Iron Throne? 'TALKING THRONES' With myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Amber Fisher IMDB Nine noble families fight for control over the mythical lands of Westeros, while an ancient enemy returns after being dormant for thousands of years. We recap the latest episode and look ahead to the future which is the end...   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 8, episode 1 of Game of Thrones, the final season and series finale episodes. The Great War has come, the wall has fallen, and the Night King's Army of the Dead marches toward Westeros. The end is here, but who will take the Iron Throne? We'll find out on Talking Thrones. Welcome to it, Talking Thrones with myself, Jason Buttrill, and Amber Fisher. Amber, welcome to our talking series. As I kicked Max out, I'm so tired of him. You're tired of him.

All right, so listen, the season premiere of Game of Thrones, this final season was last night, and I couldn't help but have to talk about it. I mean, it was just tremendous. You know what? It's kind of like, this show is kind of like, you know, I don't know, the cafeteria version of Game of Thrones. Because have you read any of the books?

Yeah, I've read the first one. Okay, you read the first one. So we do have a little inside deeper knowledge of the books a little bit. And have you read any of them? I have not. Oh, see, what, see. I need to. What am I doing?

What am I doing? So this is what, it's going to be kind of like the cafeteria version of Game of Thrones. We'll go as deep as we can, but really it was just wanted to talk about it. Yeah, well, you know, I was just thinking last night when I was thinking about this podcast this morning is it's so fitting that we do both Walking Dead and Game of Thrones now. I know. Because, like, what two shows have had such a big pop culture? Impact. I know.

These two shows. They sure have. Oh, they are huge everywhere. Did you see Twitter last night? On fire. It was like, it was all Tiger Woods, like for a little bit. And then boom, Game of Thrones. Yeah, Tiger took over in the afternoon.

Tiger took over in the afternoon and then, oh, that's right, Game of Thrones. Done. Yep. See you later, Tiger. And then that's all it was. Insane. It was. Absolutely.

I'm guessing. They're saying that, you know, a billion people will watch this. Yeah. I mean, I believe that. It's a worldwide phenomenon. No question. And I guess we should do a disclaimer because when you're talking this show and even walking dead, actually, you should say they're straight up spoiler warning. Oh my gosh.

Because so if you don't want to be spoiled. But there are a lot of people I heard saying that they're so passionate about this show that they're going to wait to the end of the season so they can bin watch it all together. Wow. I've heard several people say that. I don't know that I could do that now. How could you stay unspoiled? After I, after I binged the first seven seasons. Did you guys do that?

I did. I did. Yeah. And then I watched him again with Amber. Then he bitched it with me again. How long did that take? A week or two, maybe. That was a long time.

That's all I watched. Yeah. It's all I watched for a wrong time. A good time investment, though. So the beginning of the episode, tell me, go ahead, tell me, you can't tell me that you can't tell me that the March Interwinterfell wasn't cool. No, that was dope. Did you notice, and I made some notes on this, actually, that did you, you can compare

the pilot episode with that, they were almost identical in several ways. When King Barathean first showed up, you know, to Winterfell with Ned Stark and all that. The themes of music, exactly the same. It's called like March of the King or something like that. Yeah. Exactly the same theme. I found it interesting that throughout, except for that, right, that's the last time we really saw the, you know, the expanse of Winterfell. right so people travel all over this land in a matter of what seems like so fast what takes forever but you know as soon as that kid climbs up into the tree and looks out you see the expanse

of winterfell how big the army was coming in yeah i mean it was it was amazing and that was that so i don't know who that little kid was but that was brand stark in the pilot episode but now they just just changed it yeah yeah yeah remember he's like hanging out like this over the wall they're on and watching. Exactly the same. And Arias looks were kind of cool in that too. It was. She was kind of smiling at the kid, you know, like that used to be me.

And then like, and just her, I was like, and just her expressions I thought were really cool. You know, she would, she of course smiled at John. Then she like kind of looked kind of sourly at some other people like the, like the hound. She saw a gendry boy and big old smile there, a little. Right, I know. A little tension, I think, going on between next two. Yeah, that reunion happened later on in the show, though. that was definitely

she was ready for Ariabittiness there Yeah, I need you to make me a special thing and you know what I'm talking about. And you know, have you know what I mean. So there were plenty of reunions abounding throughout this whole episode

but especially, you know, I mean the whole Winterfell reunions were pretty astounding. They were powerful. I mean, if you look at when John turned around and saw Brands sitting there, just the look on his face. I mean, come on. Did it bring a tear to your eye?

No, I don't cry. You lie? Shut up. I'm not crying. You're crying. I don't cry. No, that was good. Yeah, he was generally good to see him. And then, of course, Brand is turned into like a major toolbox. Yeah, oh, I'm not. He's Mr. Seuss there, right? We don't have time for this. Come on, man. Can you drop that? That's like one of my criticisms of Brand. Like, come on.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, they kind of took his personality away. Big time. You're a badass. We know it. You know, you don't have to act. Like, I don't know. Like, he's always in a, like, he's constantly like in a state. of over, I just smoke too much weed type thing. You know what I mean? That might have had something to do. I don't know. With a fall from a tower and being paralyzed,

that's all. Shut up. My question is this whole episode, and I'm going to bring it up now, where was Hodor? Well, I mean, he's dead, right? He's gone. So we did see the episode of... Did he die? I guess he's a white now, right?

Yeah, yeah. He might show up later. Yeah, he'll show up there. That's a very good call. And that would be ridiculously traumatic. He might show up in what is that episode three coming up and that big battle. Well, look, that's what, look, and that's what we spend a whole bunch of time. And we'll jump ahead a little bit. We spend a whole bunch of time in the tombs of Winterfell, right? And we even in some of the previews, we spend all kinds of time in the tombs.

I mean, that's where John finds out his bloodline in the tombs. So are any of those people coming back as well? Whitewalkers? Any of the old, any of the old Starks coming back? You know what's crazy is I've heard that, that's like a fan theory, that something,

they're predicting that something guard, is guarding the tombs of Winterfell. So kind of similar to like the same magic that was used in the wall. Yeah. Because apparently the same person built them. Yeah. Way back.

And we know, we know from a previous episode that there's other ways out, right? So we saw them struggle in the tombs, but we know that there's other ways out. not only just the one way out in the tombs. And that's another fan theory, that that's how, like, they're going to survive, like, that they're going to, like,

kind of there's a secret tunnel that's going to get them out of there. But they did. You notice in the, in the intro sequence, which was redone, which was very, very cool, by the way. Yes, it was. Also shown from the Night King's perspective, which was different. Like, it came through the wall, the hole in the wall, and then all the places were he was on the Conquer next.

But they did a special thing on the crypt. You notice that? They actually took you inside the Crips of Winterfell in the intro sequence. Yeah, and when the floor was rolling and walked through this tunnel and everything, it was actually pretty interesting. I mean, that's expensive. They rolled out. Dude. I want a play set like that.

Yeah, for real. I want to build a play set. Yeah, that would be really cool. So we had, and then we had, we had Tyrion. Oh, can we talk about how much Sonsa was being a douche? Yes. But she's, okay. We absolutely can.

We absolutely can at the beginning. changed? Yeah. Winterfell, yeah. I know, but she's like, come on. Like, what do you, the whole thing I'm, the entire time I'm thinking, what else did you expect was going to happen? Like, you have two dragons, this, like, the, what they said,

the largest army in the world at the time, and you're not going to accept that. Like, otherwise, you're just literally going to get rolled over once the King King comes in. I mean, it's almost like back to the beginning of the series that, you know, she wanted to be queen. Maybe that's the same thing now. She's still kind of, yeah. Because John gave up his crown and she now doesn't have anything to the throne. Yeah.

She never had anyway. I tell you what, she's a dark horse. We should do like a little pool here for the one that actually wins. There's so many different, there's so many different theories. I tell you what, it's Game of Thrones. The one you came up with. That wasn't me. I wish it was, but I'll take credit for it.

It was me. Okay. Well, you're the one that's true me. That was me. There's two theories that I find fascinating. One theory is that Brand is the Knight King. Yeah. I like that theory. And I like the theory that in the end, whoever turns out to sit on the throne,

whoever it is, then takes off the mask in its area. That's just aria taking off the mask, which I thought would be really cool. But there's the aria stuff. There's going to be a big twist at the end. There has to be. You think something happens like, I don't know, like Jamie Lannister kills Cersie or something like that. Right. Well, they gave look.

Jamie air-quoted and then Aria takes off the mask. Something like that. I don't know. And I find at the end, right, we hadn't seen Jamie the whole episode and Jamie just rides into Winterfell at the end. I mean, that was amazing. Right? He just rides in. He's one of the most hated guys.

And he just sneaks in with his arm. He just rides in. And then eyeballs brand. He looks a little different. Yeah. You wouldn't see him. He's looking rough. He's looking rough.

He doesn't have the gold locks, you know, handsome JV anymore. Yeah, he looks a little different. Absolutely. And you don't see, you know, he's, he would, you can see where he wouldn't, people wouldn't realize it was him. Yeah. Right. With his, with, you know, the black robe and the horse, he's riding in and he's quiet.

He's looking around. But the eyeballing of Brand was great. Yeah. It's like, oh, man, I thought I killed you. I don't, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I think he's probably like, oh, oh, crap. That was like his face. Like, this is all about to go south fast.

Right. I don't think Brands going to have an issue with it. Because isn't that weird, the Yoda, everything happens for a reason, you know, for a purpose type thing? Right. Like you think about it, he didn't get his powers until after that happened. And does he even really remember? I don't know that he's never, I don't know that he's ever shown that he remembered who did it, right? Oh, I don't think he even needs to.

I'm sure he's gone back and looked at it. No, no, I understand. But, I mean, we haven't ever seen him remember. Yeah, we've never seen a flashback or one of his memories. No. Yeah. I'm assuming he knows. Yeah, I mean, he knows.

I mean, before when he was like, yeah, I'm sitting out here waiting for my old for an old friend. He knows. Yeah. But I think he's out. Yeah, I think he's out there specifically to tell him that to say, look, this is like, you know, I think he's going to say something along the lines of this happened for a reason. We're good.

We're good. I guess we're good. But I wouldn't be here right now without that incident. Something like that. I don't think that's going to be a big deal. I think the biggest deal is going to be when he confronts all the northern lords, kind of like in the same scene last night where. they first presented

what's her name, DeNaris to all the Northern Lords and everyone was all. They were pissed that John gave up the king of the North. One of my favorite characters is the Little Bear, a little Mormont girl.

She's awesome. She's awesome. Every scene she's in, she steals. It's like the only person I'm looking at. She's awesome. She's like, I got this. I'm not taking any crap from any of you.

None. This is how it needs to be. Yeah. She's a care who she's talking to. It was kind of cool, though, because that's at the point when Tyrion was like, all right,

I got this story. I got it for you, John. Don't worry about that. I'll take care of it for you. And I do like the, I'm sorry, go ahead. Oh, well, speaking of Tyrion, you know, when he went and spoke to Sonsa about her leaving my wife left. Now, the question is, are they still married? I think they are right?

Technically, they're still married, right? So that can come back around. Yeah, because it could. So if Tyrion gets the throne, she's still the queen. Tyrion is so going down. He's high. He is high on my death predictions list. Really?

very high. I love tear. That will hurt. I do too. He's probably my favorite character, bar none. Peter Dinklage is awesome. I like Braun. But yeah, I like Braun, too.

But yeah, like all the bad decisions he made, I think they were foreshadowing it last season. You know, with all the crap that he screwed up last season. And she even said last night, I used to think you were the... Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So he's getting set up for the ultimate death. Something bad's an event.

And there is a... There is a... There's a well-known Game of Thrones leaker out that did a big leak, I would say, a couple months ago and talks about Tyrion, which I can go into if you want. Yeah, let's hear. Go ahead. You want to hear this, Amber? Not really, but. All right, so you like your ears. If you don't want to hear this, just hit fast forward 10 seconds, wherever the podcast works.

How dare you. But so the leaker who called everything last season, like he basically released the entire plot line. and I can't stay away from these things. I read the whole thing. I knew everything was going to happen. Everything. I love it too. I mean, he got a minute detail.

He even called the, in this episode, he predicted the, in real life, he's dead now. Yeah, probably. Oh, HBO went after him with a lawsuit. I bet. Oh, wow. Yeah. But yeah, he called a lot of things that happened last night. He called the ARIA weapon thing.

He said what was going to happen. Needle? Needle. He talked about, oh, no, no, not needle. The staff that she went to Virginia. But she wanted the special injury, right? We don't know what that is. Is that to go on an arrow?

Or is that the... Her dagger's going to be fit on it. That's what he said. Because it looked like it was two pieces. Yeah. The picture that I saw, it was quick. He's going to fit Aria's dagger on top of it. And she was in the trailer swinging that bad boy around.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he called that and he called a few other conversations that did happen last night. So again, if you don't want to hear this, fast forward. But so he's saying that Tyrion has made a deal. with Searcy and that he made a comment last season that I always think about my family first and that Tyrion behind the scenes is deathly terrified after he saw Samwell's family get slaughtered and she killed them in the field of fire. Yeah, she did.

That he knew that he had to make some, I guess, preparations to tone her down. So he's made a deal with Searcy and he's really fighting for the Lannisters. He's more fighting for the Lannisters right now than he is for her. Well, he knows. He said last season, right? The only person that seriously listens to is Jamie. So he went to Jamie to talk about that, to bring the armies in and bring the white walkers to her. Yeah. But I found it fascinating that he's still wearing the hand of the hand of the queen.

But Homeboy, the mad doctor, has now wearing the hand of the queen as well. So who's the hand? He was a... Is it Tyrion or is it the mad doctor? They both are. They both are. From their queens. I mean, it's just...

Yeah. Kyron is the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, Tyrion is the queen, a hand of, De Nairius. But, I mean, I was thinking, I was actually thinking that he was still the hand of Circe, but that never happened. Right. Right. So that makes sense then, yeah.

But I found it fascinating that he knows that, we can't trust Searcy, right? There's just no way. No. There's no way. She brought in the new, the new, I found it the new golden company that we hadn't seen before, right? the company, the ships and the army with the golden company that was new. So her new Navy.

Yeah, her new Navy. And I found it one of my favorite parts of the whole thing. What, no elephants? Right. That's so good. What do you mean? So this I'm to believe this golden company and Duran or whatever his name is, who's the, Uran

is the head of the ships, right? Uron is the head of the Ironborn. He can do all this magical stuff and even end up with the queen. He finally talked his way into betting her finally. He's like I've done all this stuff and what have I got for it? Nothing. You're showing me nothing. You better

give me a little queen business here soon. She's working. She does. She's working him hard, man. She clearly can't stand him. I know. But no elephants? We can't figure out a way to bring elephants? Come on now. Circe you wanted elephants. Well, do you want to hear the leak? Yes, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Okay, so the leak

is that they find out about Tyrion's betrayal and backstab. And in the final episode, he's executed in the Dragon Pit for treason. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. Which will suck.

Yeah, it will be really good to see. Yeah, but it makes sense. Like, Sons is like, you used to be the most cleverest man ever. Like, everyone knew this. It's known. How are you all of a sudden duped? Right. Doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense. Unless you're just playing us all. He's pleased playing them all. I fully buy into that leak. I think that's what's going to happen. But we had. we had Circe's hand

give what's his face, Braun, the crossbow, right, to kill who? It was supposed to kill Jamie and or and or Tyrion? Right? That's the crossbow that Tyrion used to kill dad,

right? Taiwan, yep. So, because I love Bron, I was like, this is a freaking family, man. I was just trying to get, I was just trying to have these three women with me. That's all he wants. He wants a castle with some horrors. That's all he wants.

He's so good. He's so good. Of course, I tell my wife that they do not do any nudity in the show anymore because she cannot watch the show because she hates the opening. But the open showed us nudity and adult content. But it says a lot of time, I was like, don't worry about it. But she doesn't watch it anyway. Of course she comes in, she brings me

some chips and queso because I was all into the show. And she walks in right at the scene with Braun, with his friends. I was like, no! I know again. She goes, told you. And I was like, no. No, it's just a... But that was quick.

It was quick. Compared to what it used to me? Yeah. It was just, all that was was a throwback of... Here's a little nudity for you. What's funny? The last time I did this was when, what's the guy, Pedro Pascal's character that fought the mountain and the mountain crushed his head?

What was his memory? I don't remember his name. You know what I'm talking about? He was the, he was the, you raped her. You murdered her. Oh, yes. Yes, I don't remember his name. That guy?

So anyway, so he has like a scene, he has like a threesome scene. in that season. And I was like, yeah, they don't do it anymore. You should totally come in and catch up, watch it with me because they don't do it. She walks in again probably bringing me chips and queso because I'm pretty predictable. And right there. So I'm like, I'm 0 for like 20 on this show. I'm like, good gosh.

Okay, so you had chips and queso while we had our gut Oreos. I saw those actually on Twitter. That was dope. Those were great. I mean, Oreo spent some money on those as I digress from a Game of Thrones. But Oreos had the cover, right, the packaging, which you think, okay, that's, cool. But the cookies themselves. The one side was Oreo and the other side was the different families, different houses. Oh wow. They spent a fortune on those. That's cool. That's

cool. I mean, I felt almost bad eating them. I was like, I should probably save these. No. Johnny Walker. There's still two more packages at home. Johnny Walker did a special like Johnny White Walker. Yeah. Yeah. That was really cool. Oh, I need to go get a bottle. That's what I'm saying. And there's a bottle of wine too. I pulled some up today and there is a bottle of wine. Are they like the talking ones? No, they're not. Oh, that's...

I would love to have that. Another thing these shows have in common, like, they're merchandise. It's so good. Have you gone on HBO shop? No. They have a mug that's gorgeous. For Game of Thrones? Uh-huh.

And it's got like the crown around it and it's got all the houses and it says Game of Thrones, it's got the logo. Take my money already. Right. Right. $70. money. Fine.

Until we get a sponsor for this show. We're not buying with HBO. We're not doing it. It's not happening. So I found it, I've also found it fascinating that you'd think that I know that the Deneer, you know,

Queen wanted to go say thank you to Samuel for saving what's face his life and doing the right thing. But you'd think somewhere along the line. Somewhere, somebody would have told the queen, this is the guy you killed his father and his brother. Remember?

They wouldn't take a knee, wouldn't bend a knee. And you had to, you know, you killed him in the pit, remember? That's him. So just remember that when you're talking to him. None of that? Yeah. He catches him all off guard. Like, ooh, that's him?

Oh, yeah. No, I killed him. Sorry. Ooh. No, for Sam. He was like heartbroken. You just watch his heartbreak. He didn't like his father and his brother anyway.

They kicked him out. For his father, you could tell he was like, all right, well, okay. Yeah. Sucks for him. But the brother, he really lost it on. and that's interesting how they so later when they do the whole you're you're not really who you think you are you know you're leona stark well yada yada yada um he threw out that uh do you think that um she would do that she would do that she would do that for you because she did this to my family like yeah so they're

kind of building this like tension between john and her but like john was like he said earlier to sansa when they were like having their one-on-one time he was like uh he said titles don't matter. Like, why are you so hung up on titles? He's not going to... If you're watching the show hoping that John's going to be sitting on the Iron Throne, you're going to be disappointed, I think. He's not sitting on the throne. He didn't give a crap. He never cared about the titles. Sansa was the only one that

cared about that forever. Right? I mean, she's always wanted to be queen. That's why, if the Iron Throne still exists, which it probably won't, right? That's possible, yeah. The whole break the wheel thing. The whole thing's going to be different. I don't know how. whether it turns into some kind of Republic or something like that, I don't

know, but it's not going to exist like that anymore. I don't think they probably even destroy the Iron Throne. In the Dragon's Fire. In the Dragon, yeah. That's exactly probably how it I think that's exactly how it happens. I think you're right. The Circe's sitting on it.

Were they with her sitting? I don't know. It's not out of Georgia R. Martins, like you know, it's not out of his character to let Searcy end up winning it or to let Sonsa end up winning it. It's not. No, it's not.

That's what's cool about the show. I have no idea. Yeah. No, it's not out of his character at all. Right. And I just recently heard that it's beyond the books now. But the gentleman that wrote the books is now... Well, he's been behind the show anyway, right?

He's always been there. So, yeah, I read something interesting on that relationship. So basically he gave them the main plot points. So this is going to happen. John's going to get resurrected. You know, this is going to happen. This is going to happen. And this is going to happen.

up winning the Iron Throne or whatever. But he was like, write whatever you want, put in extremely new content, you know, completely different content, new characters, whatever you want to do. That way the show and the TV show and my books will be different. That's what give people incentive, even though they know the major plot points to continue reading because I'm going to have all my own, you know, different characters and subplot points and all that stuff. It makes sense. So that, I mean, it's just sales point. Right. Sales point. No problem, HBO. I know you've paid me gazillions for. this, but I want to make a few more gazillion on my books.

And the tradeoff was the show creators left out some of the big characters actually from the books. Like, for instance, Catlin Stark, you know, Ned Stark's wife. She ends up getting kind of like resurrected in the books. She's called like Lady Stoneheart. And she's all kind of crazy after she's killed and brought back, basically. So she acts like her sister? Exactly.

Right. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So the whole family is got, I mean, between her and John, they've both been resurrected then in the books. Yeah. Yeah. It's a whole, it's a resurrecting family. Well, I saw or heard a rumor that John might be coming, or no, Ned, Ned coming back the season.

Really? Flashback? That's what I'm thinking. It has to, I bet it has to do with one with John Snow and with Brand having a vision of that whole scene and somehow forwarding. it to John, I guess. Hmm. Maybe. I mean, oh, we also have an opportunity.

I mean, is he there in the tombs? Yeah. Did they bring his body? That was the statue when Sam was talking to him. No, I know, but is he there? Oh, I don't know. I'm pretty sure. Statues there, but is he there from the, from,

from, from, um, from, uh, king's landing when he got beheaded. Pretty sure he is. Was that whatever been brought back to Winterfell? I thought it was. Well, was the broad. I thought it was. Yeah, I don't know. And I found it also, you know, the, we'll go to the Dragon Rides now with De Narius and John.

I want to do that. That was really, really cool. I cannot believe they did that the first episode. I thought that they were, a couple things from that episode, at first from that scene, tremendous and so much fun. I thought maybe they were going to go and maybe have a look, see about where, you know, the White Walkers were. and maybe where everything is, maybe take a look at the wall. And then, nope, we're just looking for a place so we can be quiet and head to our business.

Yeah. Yeah. And another callback to another episode. When he was with Eagrid, and they were all getting it on in the cave. Yeah. And she was all, we could just stay here and know whatever. She was like, we can stay here for a thousand years. Thousand years.

They all want to stay with John for a thousand years. This is going to be hard to keep up with. But I think they're going to do a callback to every single, you know, tons of scenes from all the other different seasons. I also found out that in past, in the books, now obviously we've just said that, you know, the books are beyond, but in the books, only Targaryians can ride dragons, right?

So it's surprising that she didn't know that. Yeah. Right? Or she believes that she has enough power over both of those dragons that it didn't matter. John could ride it and it wouldn't matter. She could let anybody ride the dragon as long as she was there. Yeah.

And it'd be okay, right? But in the past, with her family, only her family could ride the dragons. In the books, they had so many dragons and not enough riders that they called out all the bastard people and all the half kids and anybody. And if you had any kind of Targaryen blood in you, you could ride the dragons. You're riding the dragons with us. So it's surprising that if you were staying with the books, you would know that, well, he's riding a dragon. He's got to have some of my blood in it. Yeah.

And if you notice that, what's the name of that one, is it Rhaegar? It's named after his father, actually. The one that turned into a comedy. Yeah. All of a sudden, Game of Thrones is a comedy with their, when the, when he was looking at the dress, staring at the dragon. Oh, I know.

Oh, that was so great. I'm laughing. I'm going, when did Game of Thrones go comedy. It was so good, though. That is a crowd to be cracking up. It's like, you know. The pets looking at you while you're trying to make out. Yeah.

Excuse me. on the end of the bed. The dogs at the end of the bed going, I don't know what the hell you think you're doing. You know, it's interesting you point that out because I watch it on HBO now, which by the way, if you haven't watched it yet, you're totally spoiled this episode, so I apologize. But if you haven't, if you're watching on HBO now, it drops actually last night's did. A few minutes. A few minutes before. Yeah, they said, I read an article that talked about the app would drop a few minutes early.

That's crazy. At like 8.54, I like just, I kept looking every minute. And that was a sudden at that 854 or something like that, I was like, holy crap. And so I'm like, bam, my caseo. Why? Kezo! He's yelling at me because I had it on Hulu and they're playing all this beginning and everything else. They're coming in with this feed and all.

Yeah, it was fine. It was fine. But I'm not going to change it then because then it's like, you never get back on. Because it starts about two minutes late. That's fine. I can settle. I can rest for that as long as I'm locked in. I don't have any reloading, loading.

Oh, gosh, nightmare. But we didn't have any of those issues from HBO last night. I didn't hear anybody having issues with that. I mean, they were on top of it. Which is surprising. I know. It was running perfectly. I know.

They were predicting in the billions of people watching that show last night. Holy crap. Oh, man. But anyway, but on HBO now, they, like, afterwards, they had, like, these, like, behind the episode type things. Did you guys watch any of this? I did not. So, like, they had that, so it was behind the episode and had, like, the show

show creators Dan and Dave. And one of them said what you just said, said John's not too quick. He's not too bright or quick on the uptake because he was addressing the fact that only Targaryians can ride. Right. And so it's not even dawning on him. How's this happening at that point? Well, that's what I'm saying.

I think that that's why I meant by saying I think that she thinks she has enough power over them, right? I mean, that's where you get around that. She thinks she has enough power because she even smiled a little. Like, no, I got this. Don't worry. Just get on. He's not going to do anything.

with I'm here. When I'm here, you're fine. Right. I got it. You know, and really, that's not really true. So how's this going to play out, I wonder. Like, are they going to be both be like the aerial, are they going to be the Air Force and the episode three battle?

Oh, man. I don't know. Plus, you've got the, the Winter King riding his, right? Oh, man. That fight, what's up? Well, I was thinking, speaking of the dragon that's now with the White Walkers,

does she still have any power over that dragon? I would, maybe he'll notice a second, but. That's a good point. It's a good question. I don't, I'm thinking, I'm thinking not. Does the white, and if you go with the Targaryen blood thing, does the, does the Winter King have Targaryen blood? Is he part of the family? People are saying that the Winter King is Stark, actually, which kind of goes towards the brand thing.

But, yeah, they're theorizing that he was a Stark king or something like that. created. Yeah. I don't know. I think that maybe how that plot line could play out is maybe not between DeNaris and that dragon, but maybe even Brand. Because Brand might be like to do his little warging mojo. Yeah.

And like, I don't know, something like that. The dragon is this three-eyed raven. There you go. And, you know, another thing is, too, I bet there is going to be a fight of some sort between Sensa and DeNarius. Because honestly, they're both. both the same. They want that power. They want to be queen. Mm-hmm. Even though technically De Narius is queen right now. Yeah, she is right.

But they both have that same arrogance. Yeah, they do. You need to kneel to me. Yeah. Well, she was, and De Nairis was about to say, when she was talking to John right before her little writers came up to tell them about the dragons, they're not eating, she was like, you know, and if she can't, you know, see me as, or she can't learn to respect me then, and then she got cut off. Right. She was ready to. to start to fight. It was damn well you didn't finish that statement, girl. Because I was about to go south very quickly. Real fast. I know. I know. It was very interesting in how they played that too as they brought up the,

yeah, they're not eating. Cut her off. Yeah, yeah. Here they come. Because she was ready to, you're right. She was ready to say, sounds about her and start getting down on some knees around me. I think that's going to change. You know what I mean? Maybe next episode. If they dwell on that too much. I'm going to be kind of annoyed by it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, like last season when it was like Sansa against Aria, but it wasn't really. They were just pretending, but the audience didn't know about it,

but they dwelled on it so much. Yeah, it felt like, okay, come on. I was tempted to just fast forward through it after a while. You want, as an audience member, you wanted to say, get over it, let's go. You guys are together. Right, right. Together, let's go. I get they have to do it in the first episode.

But John will bring that together. I mean, right? at least for now because he knows the fight that has to take place, right? Whether, I don't know how much that hurts him knowing now that he is the true heir, though. I don't think, I don't think, I think for honor's sake, he's got to tell DeNaris probably next episode, I'm guessing, but I don't think they, I'm assuming that they're just going to kind of come to an agreement not to say anything, right? You're going to have to, right? I don't think they will. I don't.

He doesn't care. She might not believe it. She might think that Samwell's telling him that because she killed his family. She, maybe. She's so threatened, you know, and she's so laser focused on becoming queen that she's just going to see it as a threat to her. Right. Or they could just have a Searcy and Jamie relationship in the end.

I think that's how it continues, really, right? Yeah. Because they're obviously a thing now. Like, you know, they're being fairly open about it. And maybe that's where it stops, right? John puts a pause on that, realizing it. And she's like, what's going on? I don't think he will.

Because she, watch her. After last season, is there any question that she's pregnant right now? Oh, right. Remember, they had that conversation of the dragon fit, and she was all, I can't have kids. And he's like, did you ever think that she was, that witch wasn't a good, not the best of sources? Right. She's so pregnant right now. Right.

And we're going to find out. Watch next episode. She'll end up getting sick or something like that. And they're going to be like, oh, crap. Right. She's pregnant. And we know that Circe is, Circe,

is she pregnant with Jamie's kid? Because Yaron said that he was going to give her a baby, right? A prince. But that was the first time that he'd been with her. Right? They had teased that a little bit last year. But last night was the first time they'd obviously been together. Oh, wow.

Circe can use that. That's right. To say that it's not Jamie's kid. It's Yon's kid. for sure. I don't know. I don't think that she'll end up having a kid. I highly doubt it.

I mean, just another crazy whack job kid from Searcy. I hope not. Right. Because then it'll continue. Then you'll have one more heir for the Lannisters to fight over the throne, and you'll have the John and the Targaryian. The Targaryen kid. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, yes. And it just keeps going. No, Circe needs to burn in the throne from the Dragon Fire. That's what I want to happen now. She's either going to die miserably or she's going to win the whole. whole damn thing. It was so funny that this show kind of started that where you have absolutely no clue. I think that's why it became so popular.

Yeah, nobody's safe. I thought, didn't you think that Ned was the main character? Oh, yeah. In episode one? Oh, my gosh, yes. I'm like, okay, there's your main character. All right. So you pick your, he's the Rick Grimes.

He's the invulnerable guy. And then, uh, no. Yeah. And then, yeah. No. No. No. Right.

No. Not going to happen. You know, this is, this was how we, we've, we've, we've. Jeff, you kind of poked fun at the way like Walking Dead does their setup episodes. Yeah. And then it's kind of annoying. And we're like, okay, I could have not watched that and been perfectly fine. Still been all right.

This was a set up episode? Sure was. But look at all the crap that happened in it. Well, it was a setup episode. But then also was a setup to, they had to recap all the other seasons, right? Into one episode of saying, this is the final season. We've got to bring everybody back together that's still alive and even dead. And we got to let it put everybody in their play.

and this is where we're all at now. Winter is here. We're all here. And you've all been with us up to now. Here's where we're at. Now let's go. Yeah. Yeah, it was a really great set up episode.

That's how you do it. Yeah, they did a great job. We didn't even mention the Yara rescued by Theon. That was another huge thing that happened. Right. I love the head butt. Yeah, oh yeah. Totally.

And there's another thing about Yaron. So, A, he can't get elephants. offense. B, he puts a couple of bougie little guards that can't even save his person he has enslaved. Let's her get away. I mean, he's not as good as he thinks. He's just not as good as he thinks. I love him as a character, though. He's so awesome. The actor does it so well. Just not as good as he thinks. All right, so this episode was a little under an hour. And the next few episodes, I think, are going to be longer than an hour, so I can't wait. And anything else you want to add before we wrap this up?

Okay, little under an hour, but they had five freaking minutes of recap and an intro sequence. That pisses me off. I don't care about the recap. I just watched last season. I just watched last episode last week. I don't need a recap. Don't do that anymore. That pisses me off.

I want more content, not recap from the last episode. HBO, if you need a hand on that, give us a call. Yeah, give us a call. No problem. Just call me. I am so stoked. I think next week. Okay, so yeah, next episode, I'm assuming

DeNaris and John figure out what's going on between the two of them, or John's lineage or whatever. I'm assuming that happens. I really have no idea beyond that. Oh, Jamie will have to confront the Northern Lords. That'll be a big part of it. And DeNaris. And DeNaris.

Is she going to feed him to the dragon? Oh my gosh, her dad. Yeah, she killed. He killed her dad. Anything they want. Yeah. Wow, that's going to be a good link up. Meetup.

Going further, will there be another dragon egg? Oh, very interesting. Oh, yeah. And maybe those, that was another theory in the tombs was dragon eggs, more dragons. But we don't have enough time this season to have those grow up. Gosh, man. I cannot believe this show was ending. They grew up in one season.

They became full-sized dragons, though, but that's a, it was still, that one season was a lot of time. You know, it doesn't, I don't know. I don't think you can grow them up in one season like that. Time means nothing in this show. That's true. It's so hilarious. It's like. A week, a month, a year, same thing.

Yeah, it's like, yeah. You just got back from the wall? Yeah, I just went to the wall for me. Yeah, yeah, I just got back a couple minutes ago. Then I took the Navy over to Westroast and hung out of Kings Landing for a little bit. But I'm back here in Wintersville. I was like, what? Yeah.

And they're like, Cinder Raven, you know, 2,000 miles south to warn so-and-so, literally happens within 10 minutes. You're like, whoa, what are they feeding those ravens? No temperature changed, no weather changed. No, the raven is speed raven. All right, well, thanks for listening to Talking Thrones. Our first episode of Talking Thrones and we'll be with you every week. In fact, I'm thinking maybe the last two episodes, we may do a Talking Thrones live and recorded in the afternoon so that you can participate on the phones and talk to us about the final two episodes on Game of Thrones as well. So thanks for listening to Talking Thrones. Jason, Amber, appreciate it. And don't forget,

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