Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E11 & E12 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Fear Edition  Season Eight Episode Eleven and Twelve  The Final Two Episodes     SHOW TITLES: Fighting Like You & The Road Ahead     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB  FIGHTING LIKE YOU  The horde led by Troy surrounds the walls of Padre. Madison and her people must fight for their survival to save what remains.  THE ROAD AHEAD  As the series comes to an end, the fate of PADRE's survivors seems to rest in the hands of an unexpected hero.        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 8, episode 11 and 12, the Walking Dead Fear, the Walking Dead edition, titled Fighting Like You and the Road Ahead, the final episodes of Fear, the Walking Dead. Episode description on IMDB, the Fighting Like You episode, The Horde led by Troy, surrounds the walls of Padre. Madison and her people must fight for their survival to save what remains. The Road Ahead episode, as the series of. series comes to an end. The fate of Padre's survivors seems to rest in the hands of an unexpected hero. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell, and Maximus Fisher. Welcome. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. The shows should have been called Storytime. I felt like what's all we got

during both episodes is Storytime. Anyway, hi, Jason. Hey. Maximus. Hello. How you doing? I am, excuse me, I have to drive my eyes. The final two episodes of fear are over. Fear the Walking Dead has ended. It could not happen soon enough. No. These two episodes, holy God.

Holy God. I mean, I know we ripped apart last week's episode, but these two episodes may have actually topped this. the final episode last week and I kind of feel targeted Jeffie I was like I said before

I thought well I'm off air that it was kind of like targeted at you but I think they were targeted it was targeted at this podcast I think it was it was a collection of everything that would piss us off all wrapped in one

and it worked the hilarious thing is so watching this with my father I couldn't stop laughing at some points because I knew how, if I was watching it by myself, I'd be like, oh, of course that happened. Really, that happened? I just, I wouldn't be laughing. But watching it with, watching with Jeffrey right here, I couldn't stop laughing because he was genuinely

getting so mad. Oh, that was just unbelievable. At one point, after like the second tease, which I'm sure we'll get to later. But I was like, the only thing missing now is Sherry splitting up with the one. White and saying she can't do it anymore and going her own way and then by the end of the episode coming back to him that was the only thing that was missing well I thought we might get it with there at the end with Dwight wants to go back to the sanctuary and I thought she was going to say I can't do that I can't do that D I'm going to go on my own again I

thought for sure that's what we were going to get I was a little disappointed actually and the ultimate and the ultimate conclusion was the most telegraphed ending ever I think that we were saying that was going to happen at the very beginning Yeah, I mean, it had to. It had to. And, you know, I know we're jumping ahead, and we can go through the episode if you want. Yeah, we have, we all, I mean, we, we, we, we, you jumped ahead through two episodes. We have two episodes to get through.

I know, I know. It's, okay, so Troy with his daughter Tracy and, you know, the Walker mom must kill Madison. The stuck and the muck walkers are set free for the herd. Where have we seen that before? You know, we're leading herds into the crowd. And okay, all right, we've only seen that a couple times, the main show, right? We've seen that a couple times during fear, really. I mean, with giant herds coming to town.

That's what, I mean, that's what ended up at the Troy Ranch, right? It was the giant herd coming. Well, it was him leading it, too. Yeah, that was his deal. And the thing that I thought, so right off the bat, I was like, Like, so the six-year-old was able to describe to Troy exactly where Padre is, the place that is completely impossible to find. She saw the lighthouse. I saw a lighthouse, which you don't see those on beaches and beach communities anywhere.

Nope, no, they don't exist. Okay. Okay. And when you're in, you know, Louisiana is the lighthouse in Texas, is the lighthouse in Georgia, is the lighthouse in Virginia. I don't know. It could be anywhere. We don't know. And is it down in Florida?

But let's march the herd to it regardless. Absolutely. Let's get the stuck in the muck walkers, free them up, and march it toward them. Let's go. And the slow walk with the herd was amazing. I mean, we were so, they were so close to them. We've seen herds being led before, and they were never that close. But I get, it's okay, fine.

And we had zero. this is, I mean, we're far along in Dead World and we have had zero look at walkers other than the slow walkers. Other than normal walkers, in fear specifically. Yeah, we've seen, we've seen zero walkers that are advanced with a different plague, which is kind of strange, actually, because I thought we were going to, I thought in the beginning, didn't they talk about fear catching up with dead? Even, why wouldn't they go to Alexandria or someplace where they knew people were, at least where they knew they thought where Morgan was going, that kind of thing? I don't understand whether the breakup at the end. I don't either. I don't know.

I mean, it's like, for someone that's never heard this podcast, they're probably be like, they're kind of nitpicking. Well, no, we're not. It's, there's been crap like this all throughout this show. things that you're you're not supposed to be able to pick out inconsistencies things that don't make sense things that are stupid you're not supposed to be able to pick them out that easily but that's every single episode and it's just crap writing it's boy that's for sure and they oh yeah came in town so then in that first episode we have and then uh all the sudden we have traps set we don't know by whom although we find out yeah we find out the long trap you know slamming the truck down the ravine

and having you were happy at that no doubt finally somebody's going to die and Troy is laying there with a tree limb through him

which I mean of course he survives of course he survives oh Jeffrey I didn't know an injury that brutal would be so overrated apparently that doesn't really mean much

it doesn't mean anything it doesn't mean anything technically it was in a shoulder blade so that's not an it's not an artery so instead of walking around like normal i mean normal okay so i'll give you that he gets that he survives i'll give you that he survives with the tree limb through his shoulder right i'll give you that and i'll give you that he continues to live and survive with the tree limb stuck in him but at the point when we just pulled it out and he's fine

stop it. And he doesn't bleed profusely from a two-inch hole in his body. So apparently he can shut his heart down so he doesn't, it doesn't continue to pump and still survive. It's medically plausible. And he buries his wife. He digs a hole and buries his wife. That one was unbelievable. That one was unbelievable.

Okay. Okay. March through the pain. March through the pain. Well, that's it. That's the whole thing right there. You have to just, you have to, the pain is what makes you get through. That's clear.

We've all done that. You just have to, the pain is what gets you through. I mean, holy cow. Just, at the story times of the wait, don't kill me. I've got a deal to make. And then a five-minute story of life, which was a lie. And then we got another story. That's a lie.

And then we have another story. That's a lie. But is it the truth? But is it the truth? But is it the truth? Right. Holy God. And then we find out who is setting the traps.

And of course, you know, then as Troy falls into another hole, survives, of course, saved by the group. I was still confused by the end of all the stories on why Troy didn't like Alicia. That didn't make any sense to me. He blamed her for his wife's death. That was basically it. Why? I don't So he goes

He goes actually Like Madison's confused too She's like well why so why did you kill her Because she did something to your wife Actually he saved her I'm like Okay Okay

See where this goes Yeah Okay I'm just gonna Because Troy Because Troy blamed Alicia For putting the thought of Always helping people

In her mind Which got her killed And he Which is this revolutionary concept that no human in the history of the universe has ever thought of. Maybe we should help people. I mean, it's only Madison and Alicia because they're Jesus one and Jesus two, apparently, because of this revolutionary idea. It's crazy. Okay, yeah, I'd be pissed too.

Screw it. But then we find out, Jason, and I know you're trying to make light of this. But then we find out that Alicia realized that. all these other her girls the daughter crowd and realize that more good is being done with them acting like her and so there's no reason to do anything

she has to go out and do more good because then it just continues to grow with the good of Alicia's girls she's Messianic Messiah martyr come on daughters of Alicia that's it well I do

enjoy, though, finding out something about the daughters of Alicia, why they were created. And I was just pretty much stunned, actually, but not really. One of the daughters of Alicia is Scott Gimple's wife. And so it's presumed that Gimple just created this Daughters of Alicia crowd so that his wife could have a gig. Except the thing is, Gimple doesn't write, except Gimple's in charge of writing this show. He's just in charge of the overall. Telling Scott Gimple, the executive producer, that he can't come up with this idea so his wife has a job? I don't think so.

I don't think you're doing that. I think you're going, okay, Scott, whatever. We'll just throw him in. Give your wife a job. That's just incredible to me. So ridiculous. Madison, it's okay. These women are carrying on her legacy.

That was last week. That was last week. We cannot let that die. That's got to remain. That goes on a T-shirt. the the the the the teases of Madison dying well before that we had crane come back yeah yeah he's the one the the the brother of Padre right the brother of the father the son of the head of Padre with his sister who's already dead and crane

because they wanted I think they wanted to tie up that loose hand because it ended in one episode yeah because we don't want to have the show have any loose hands don't want to happen but so then he had my his and he He gave us a tease of Madison and Troy dying with the bridge cut and dropping them into the muck and the quicksand. Finally, finally, we're just going to kill them both off. Let's end it. Cut scene. Nope, they're alive.

No, they're laying on the shore. And Daniel, oh, thank you for saving me. No, it wasn't me. It was Troy that saved you. Was it okay? This was the first time. The guy who had handcuffs on, just realized looking at you

that your eyes were lost and you had nothing to live for, I had to save you. Okay. All right. Let's label this death tease number one, shall we? This was the first time I knew that they purposely were targeting us and saying screw you. Mainly, Jeffie.

Oh, my gosh. I mean, of course, of course. course they're alive. Of course they are. And then Crane gets eaten by Walkers because he's been living, I guess, he's going to get fooled. I just, I find it. It was really weird how that happened. And then more story time. And when the Madison Oxygen thing is an off and on struggle. Which I, which I enjoy. Yeah. It's like Troy's heart. He can turn it off and on if he's going to be bleeding through a massive hole in his body. It's like medicine.

She can just turn her lungs off and on, which is. More story time. More story time. And then again, another story where Alicia, Tracy is Alicia's baby now. Okay. So. No, no. What?

Well, before that, we saw the, the big room, the big room of. Troy getting killed. Right? Oh. Okay. Do we have to do this chronologically at this point? No, we do not.

No, we do not. Well, you were happy with Troy getting stabbed. It was about time that he died. Madison killed him, which was great. I mean, I didn't, I actually, I honestly didn't expect that. I didn't, what are you, Jason? Genuinely.

She's holding, she stabs him with Alicia's, arm. When she's... We know it's a leash's arm. When she sent the six-year-old away, I knew that... I pretty much knew. That was the tip-off to me. And I was like, finally, she's actually thinking rationally for once.

Right. Everybody else wasn't. But I was. And again, that's so unbelievable. Well, Daniel kind of was. I mean, Daniel was. Daniel was. Daniel was. Daniel wanted to kill him from the beginning.

He's the only real. Yeah, he was the only one that's kind of real, which is weird because... I'm glad he found that those bear. in the forest that gave him his mind back. Yes. That's amazing. Thank you. Thank you.

That's a scientific wonder. Tingleberries that bring your memory back. If we could, we need that, actually. I'm all for that. I wish I'm a fan of that. People need to have those dangleberries. And then so then we have the, when we go to the final episode.

Then the final episode of. We start out with the flashbacks and Maddox. and looking for Tracy and there's no way they could find a little kid hiding in a log because where would the kid hide but inside this giant log in the middle of those fields surrounded by walkers you wouldn't look there that would be stupid anyway so you know she's hiding in the log which of course then you know they all go away and then Madison finds her of course of course of course she does of course she does and then they go to they go to get out of there they're going to go to fort worth We're going to Fort Worth.

This is just right over there. Just make a laugh to drive 1,800 miles. It's right there. No problem. I love Luciana. Luciana's line. I'm not driving you halfway across the country. Yeah, and I was like, when has that ever been an issue on this show?

Ever been an issue. You could drive to the moon in like five minutes. That's perfectly fine. That's never been an issue. It was just incredible. And Luciana is a, an automotive expert, I believe, now. So that's awesome.

That's good. A electric level mechanic. And then they all just show up all of a sudden. I mean, everybody just shows up. All of a sudden we have Victor Daniel and the crowd, they show up. Everybody just shows up. We're just there. Oh, my gosh, you're over there?

Yeah, we're here too. Okay. All right. Fine. And more story time. And then they get trapped in the garage. Yeah, and then we get trapped in the garage. And then we got the dingles all trapped at the Padres.

with the herd attacking. And so now they're both surrounded by walkers and Victor can't take it. So we're just going to fight all the walkers and get to the Lou Padre to save them. And we do. So it's great. By the way, just saying, Daniel yelling at Strand and Madison, he added points. Oh, yes. Absolutely.

They brought out, and I know Max was happy when, what's her face? who, uh, June, I mean, I understand her character at all, to be honest. I mean, she's a, she's a nurse, she's a doctor, she's not a nurse, she's not a doctor, she fights, she doesn't fight. That one scene where they're all fighting walkers and she's standing there with her hands on the kid's head because he got cut or something. I'm like, um, how about you kill some walkers? How about you do something?

We're just standing there with their hand on the kid's head going, oh, they're fighting. Are you okay? I'll take care of you here. I just, okay. I just, I don't understand. But she did pull out. She pulled out the Dory pistols, which did make me happy. Yeah, she pulled out the Dory pistols, which Max was all heavy about the flashback to give you a little touch of John Dory.

Was that not the weakest Walker battle ever? They kept cutting out, right? They kept cutting out, right? They cut out all the big battles. Yeah. It was all implied. That's it. Yeah.

at the garage and even at Padre we got you know we had a few deaths and then and then in the end we got the flashback of how Madison okay before we get to the before we get to that before we get to that oh that was T's three that's correct that was T's three that's correct because at the garage we get T's two which I which was okay so she's telling you a story about her dad after they all leave and she has the conversation with Victor which I think was actually might have been one of the actually better like scenes in this episode

of her talking with Victor before he leaves that's just perfect but then he leaves she gets in the car and then she's talking with Tracy about her dad drinking and I had she to tell Tracy that she killed her dad

amazing And then she's like, so you know what I don't know that we knew that before. I don't, I, we might have, that might have been an early season thing. I'm not sure. But then she goes, okay, then you know what I have to do. And shoots her in the side, which by the way, when that happened, dad cheered. He was very happy. Yes.

Finally. Let's do this. And I should have known. I should have known. It's my fault for not knowing that she, of course, was. survive because I thought for sure that was that was the kill shot yes we're done with her and then and actually he's go hang on saying guys who and in what world does a show tease someone's death three times back to back to back to back here the walking dead I mean

that's clearly an attack on us that's got you specifically you should be pissed right now that's like if they just like stood you up in front of the of a wall and just slapped your face three times as hard as they could and said take it jeffy screw you for screwing with our show for eight years i know i know i'm not apologizing i'm not i'm sorry no i'm not bending the knee but don't like her it should have died it's hilarious because earlier in the episode we forgot before the like she was talking with tracy about the necklace and how it didn't work and about how it's supposed to bring good luck it didn't work and then she tries to shoot her at one point and the gun's empty.

So she takes out the clip. Yeah. Puts the necklace in the ammo magazine and puts it in her, puts it in her pocket where she gets shot. Yeah. She doesn't die. We get it. She's not dead. It was hilarious because like when she woke up and then she started pulling something out,

and probably like, the necklace is what saved her. And he was like, oh, no. Of course. But then the aftermath of, you know. know, like Strand explaining, no, she saved us. And then the whole story about, yeah, she goes in. But then for real, this time she's dead. T's three.

Now she's dead for real. How she saved them was very similar to how she did it in the stadium, right? With the flare leading them underground. I don't know you guys. I'm just like the whole time. I'm like, what is happening? How are they doing this to us three times in a row? That's unbelievable.

What? Unbelievable. So, and again, we don't even, at the Padre, we get a little bit of the fighting. They're stuck in the fort. And, of course, then we get the flashback story of how Madison saved them. Like I said, very similar. Yeah, it's the stadium story. A full circle moment from the stadium to now with the flare. But let's analyze this act of heroic kindness for Madison.

She's basically in a basement when this thing explodes and the entire building comes down on top of us. She's behind a- Let's not minimize that. She's behind an iron door. Yeah, behind an iron door. That was open, by the way, and they showed the flames bursting through the door, through that hole. You know, the food door or whatever, you know, the opening on that metal door got there because that was the prison doors. And she had her oxygen mask on. Yeah, of course.

And that's what saved her as unbelievably. plastic oxygen. The concrete building coming down on top of her is also an issue. That was probably my biggest issue. But I don't, I guess we'll get to that a second. Oh, because there was access to heavy equipment because that's what it would take. So someone clearly was operating heavy equipment.

Yes. Then it cuts back to Tracy. Then it cuts to Tracy after he, she dug her out and said it took, it took almost two days to dig you out. Oh, that was the heavy equipment. That's six of them. And then drag her to the,

The beach. That's right. A town out of the beach. A six-year-old. Okay. And then she says it wasn't for this. It would have saved you. And when that happened, I paused the show.

Tees three. And I had to look at that. I just, I had to pause it and look at dad. I didn't say anything. I just paused and look at it. It was just terrible. And then the greatest moment in Walking Dead history happened, people. Oh, the biggest surprise ever.

that no one predicted? No, no, no. We predicted it. We predicted it. Oh, no, no one could have saw that coming. Okay. But I actually, No.

Jason, I wish you were here for this. So, what happened? I don't pause or whatever. The next five minutes happened. They're talking. They're talking. They're talking.

They're talking. They're talking. And then the beach behind him. Dad says, why doesn't Alicia just show up? Hello? Is anybody here?

Cuts the figure in hood. Like a millisecond after, he said, oh, why doesn't Alicia just show up? Hello? Is anybody here cuts to stranger in hood? I pause it and just start dying laughing. I couldn't hold it in. I just had to pause it and laugh. I thought for sure that, I mean, the way they did it is different than I would have done it

because I expected her to have like angel wings coming out of the ocean that you saw in the background from the tent. And on the third day, she arose. Right. Right. I mean, holy God. Now, it was timely when I said, I mean, why doesn't Alicia just show up? Hello? Hello?

And her explanation. Her explanations is like, yeah, so I heard that, you know, building exploded. I heard some radio chatter. Of course that could only be. Yeah, the radio chatter. Everyone's listening to everyone's radio chatter because there's walkies everywhere. about how building explodes. I was just carrying around and repeat her in my back pocket.

By someone named Madison. She explicitly says by someone named Madison. And she was like, I know it didn't make sense to me because I thought you were dead, but I had to check it out. Because only that. There's only two people in this world that like to help people. That's only Madison. No, there's only one person named Madison in this world is what I'm trying to get at.

Not only that. It's not only that. It is only two people, period, in the world. Because they are the messianic saviors that are more effective, you know, when they're dead, when they're not around. I will say, everyone fell in love with, oh, that's so nice. Skin Mark's back. Daniel got his cat back. Skid Mark's back. So we didn't get to see the queen, the savior, carrying the, bag with the cat in it.

But there it was in the tent. Oh, what's that? Oh, it's the cat. It's Skidmark. That reunion was so much better than the Alicia Madison reunion. Yeah, it really was. And I don't think the show creators intended for that. I don't think they saw that.

It really was. I will say the, the, uh, the reunion between Madison and Alicia was. really not that good. I mean, I don't know what I expected because they both are, you know, tremendous actresses. So when they're in the scene together, they're, you know, what happens is two positives

make a negative and that's her. That's what it was. Yeah. And then we find out Troy lied. Tracy is actually his daughter, not Alicia's. There's no way Alicia had a baby. I mean, she even, I, we knew that. I mean, I even, I was like, so Alicia had this kid, and it was eight years ago.

And there's no way that that was Alicia's kid. No way. And yet Madison still believed it. But there was just no way that that was true. And that's what, and even Alicia was like, I don't have a kid. Nobody's, nobody's looking to do business with the angel savior with one arm. But then we cut to the, we cut to the final scene where they're all splitting up. We have June and Odessa going to go back to the cabin in Texas.

John's old cabin. Oh, can I go with you so I can learn to be doctoring? Oh, okay. We have. That was so random. That was. As if we should care. I'm right.

We have. Why do we care that she's going to become a doctor and learn to learn from June? We have Dwight and Sherry deciding to go back to the sanctuary. That's when I thought for sure if she was going to say, I can't D. Yeah. And then, but she agrees. I'm going to go take care of Skidmark with Daniel. I'll go my own way.

And then we have Luciana and Daniel still heading out together, which like I, like every, I was so, like that reunion with Skidmark was amazing. That, that, that, that, that was great. And why wouldn't they show themselves? So they don't, they don't have a reunion with the whole crowd. But we get the, uh, the mirror shot. The mirror shot with Victor and his, his family, his family. You know. After this entire show at this point, like instead of making Alicia and Madison the, you know, the saviors that are more effective in their absence, I think Skidmark makes a better case for everyone, you know, continuing Skid Mark's legacy.

I will say with the breakup. I will say with the breakup of all of them, it does offer the opportunity for more shows. It does. And then they say they're heading. LA. They're heading to LA. Yeah, Alicia and Madison. And Tracy. Oh, yeah,

and the kid. And so, you know, so, I mean, it could happen. We could get Alicia Alicia and Madison's LA Adventures. See, I don't, yeah, I don't think so. It seems like to me they know that that's a dumpster fire of a story, and they just sent them west. To me, I think that the ones that went east are probably the ones most likely to become.

and show up in future shows. Dwight, Sherry, that group. Basically, that's it. Morgan, because he's probably going to be more accessible. Well, he left away at this point a while ago. But June and Blue Jay or whatever the hell her name is, send them back to Texas, Madison and... Strand.

Send their asses back around. Strand is just traveling so he could literally be anywhere. Yeah, please don't bring back Strand. No reason. I know. Strand with our main characters, this seems so laughable. It's like bringing a comic book or like a cartoon character into a real, you know, live action show. I will say that I looked at the The Walking Dead Instagram account last night.

And they have a picture of Madison. And what's your reaction to the series finale of The Walking Dead? There are 514 comments. It says they asked for you to drop your reaction. below. The top first response that comes up is the best part is Daniel got Skidmark back.

But then we get to the show has been awful since the fourth season. So glad it's painfully over. One thing about all these comments, which Dad did seem surprised about, there's a lot of fear fans that loved season 1 through 3 and when Morgan showed up, a lot of people hated it.

Yeah. And then we get to, I think my favorite comment from, uh, oh, I know this one. What's the deal? Fear never lets me down. I'm letting me down. Right.

Accurate. A lot of people, a number of the comments like the Madison and Alicia reunion. I did not. I mean, I knew we were getting it. We talked about it. Yeah. We had to get the reunion. But it just felt it should have been more eventful than it was. Yeah.

It didn't come close to the Sherry Dwight reunion. No. Not at all. I get it. We make fun of what happened after. But the Sherry Dwight reunion was genuinely one of the best moments of the show ever had. Except remember that part where Al was like wearing not too much clothes. Oh, for the love of.

We all remember that part. Don't really. All right. So that's, wrap this thing up because the show is done. We're back in February with the new... No, we don't have we don't have any more talking, walking

dead for the rest of the year. No, we're done. 2023 is over. And we had to end it on fear, didn't we? Yes, we did. They couldn't air this one first and then give us Dead City and Darrell. No, they we need some, we need some downtime, I believe.

Yeah, it is surprising that they did give us like fear in between Dead City and Darrell, instead of giving us Dead City, Darrell, and then Fear, it would have been much better

for the franchises. Really good, bad, great, great, bad. For the past couple years, fear just felt like it's the show that they wish didn't exist, but they have to wrap it up somehow. And so I'm sure they're all

just like, oh, thank God, this is done. I hope that's true. I hope that's true. I really do. I agree with you, Jason. I think I know. I think I agree with you on like basically gimple going, okay, it's over. I can actually focus on what we need to.

Just imagine being gimpal and you're in the editing rooms of both Daryl Dixon and fear. And you're seeing what a masterpiece Daryl Dixon is. And then you're looking over at what's being done with fear. I mean, I can't imagine. That's got to be, I would say hilarious, but for him frightening. Good God. Yeah, no kidding. But, you know, for.

Over coffee, the wife said, I want to be in the final episodes of fear. You better make me into final episodes of fear. All right. We'll make up some kind of, we'll call Alicia's girls. Fine. The daughters of Alicia, get it right. The daughters of Alicia. You can be a part of that.

I claim that name. By the way, I was hoping Tracy kind of was Alicia's daughter, only to validate that name. Yeah, that would have validated it for sure, daughters of Alicia. Okay. So I will, and we are going to end the episode today with the little. Merle Haggard, just like Fear did with Mama Tried, which is a classic Merle Haggard song, because you just have to. I have to follow suit with the episodes.

So we've done their own grave, but thankfully it's over. Final thoughts, Mr. Ruchrell? This show is, I guess, a warning to anyone that wants to do a really cool show, but doesn't have the amazing budget to do it. they got close and season one was probably the only one that I thought was okay

if people go all the way to season four I just can't do that in my opinion because I constantly was thinking about what it could have been and not where they were taking it so it was always like ah that's why it was like okay that episode was okay these last next four were bad

oh this episode was okay it was like that through the entire series but a good idea and concept that they just didn't have the might to pull off in my opinion. Yeah, I have to agree with Jason on this. As a finale, these two episodes were not that good.

As a series, like, fear had some high highs and like they're like, like I said, there were some like characters or episodes that were genuinely good. Like almost every episode that starred John Dory, it's amazing. But like,

other times it just wasn't good like, to put it lightly. like they like I said this show wasn't even a roller coaster it was up this is bad bad bad bad oh my god that's just some of the best things walking dead is given us bad bad bad bad bad

oh that was good bad bad bad bad I mean good good actors will carry bad bad riding and they had you know the what's Morgan's name what's his name I can remember yeah

anyway yeah Morgan that guy that's that's the same what we're talking about. That actor is really great. You know, he could have carried the show. The Madison actress is just horrible in this show. She's pulled it off in other shows.

They kept trying to give us kids who are terrible. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. But then you kick off, like Max pointed out, like a great actor and character John Dory. Like, again, he could have been a part of a core to carry the show. But they didn't. They never used to it. Yeah.

And then they killed him off. with a kid I would just say that for the most part fear for the most part was not good yeah we got eight seasons of it and man were we lucky

thank you thank you for listening to talking Jason Butchrell Maximus Fisher myself Jeff Fisher thank you for listening and we'll see you when the Rick and Michaud show show up those who live those who live

we'll see if that show can keep up with the Dead City and Daryl Dixon show goodness. You know, I hope so. I hope it does. But I have a feeling. It's just my own old gut feeling that it's not going to. I hope you're wrong. I hope you're wrong so much.

Thank you for listening to Talking, Walking Dead. kept on turning till mama couldn't hold me anymore. I turned 21 in prison during life without the role. No one could steer me right, but Mama tried. Mama tried. Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I deny. That leaves only me to blame because Mama tried.