Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E4 | Game of Thrones

Episode Date: May 6, 2019

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Season 8, episode 4, the last of the Starks of the Game of Thrones. The final season, the final episodes, recovering at all. What happened, what could happen, what should have happened on this Talking Thrones. Welcome to it. Talking Thrones with myself, Jason Butchrell, and my wife, Amber. Oh, no, Amber's not here. Missing an action. Darn the luck, we'll have to do without her.

Although Dylan Keller, who sat in last week and did such a great job, we asked him to sit in again this week in Amber's absence. Maybe you might stick around for the last couple episodes. We'll see how it goes today. But the episode, Last of the Stark's IMDB description, the Battle of Winterfell is over and a new chapter of Westeros begins. I enjoyed this episode.

I did too. I did too. This is Jason Butchall, by the way. You didn't announce that I am sitting at the table as well, but I am here this time. I did say Jason. You said Amber Fisher. I said Jason Buttrill and Amber Fisher.

Oh, who's not here today? You didn't say, do you say Jason? I retract my previous statement. No, it is not. That was the, for all the fear, talking, talking, walking dead fans. That's one of the most famous drops of the podcast. Thank you. Pull out when you screw up.

My son, Max. No, it is not. Although it was. Come to think of it. Anyway, which makes that line even better. Yeah, I introduced you. I introduced Jason. I introduced Dylan.

What a poor do I have to do? Fine, fine. It's no pleasing this guy. It's very hard. Yeah, yeah. I enjoyed this episode. I did too. There was a lot wrong with it.

Yeah, that's what I was about to say. A lot wrong with it. It's hard not to nitpick this season because it's the final one. And I'm like, I find myself enjoying it, but then saying, no, don't nitpick that. No, it's just great. It's fine. But there were some things that pissed me off in this. A lot wrong with it.

For sure. I know. I enjoyed the heck out of it. And then when it's done, I'm like, like, okay. All right, what's wrong with this? There was a lot wrong with it. I don't know.

If I was to rename this episode, wasn't it, the last of the start? Yeah, the last of the start. If I were the writer on this show, I'd be tempted to name it the episode of the brokenhearted. Because it was like, there were so many hearts breaking all over Westroos on this one. The episode of everyone changing their minds.

Yeah, right? Indecision. It's like, it's like they wanted to like, They're like, yeah, we're partying, everyone's on a high, but... Right. We're going to break this relationship. We started off with, you know, licking our wounds at Winterfield, which we knew we would. And the funeral scene was tremendous.

Dude. I loved the funeral scene. The pires. How many? It's like... I know. And they said later that only half the... They said, they said we lost half our forces.

I look like a lot more than half. Yeah. It sure did. Oh, my God. And yet, as long as we're picking it apart, when we go back, before we, I don't... I know I'm jumping ahead, but and yet we lost half our forces, but when we go back to our meeting room,

we're going to split everybody up. Wait, what? You guys go here. No, no, no, we don't want to do that. No, no. We're together now. Divide and conquer. And I know that Sonsa said maybe we should heal up a little bit more,

but no, no, we want to break everybody apart. I didn't get it doesn't make any sense. Yeah. It didn't make any sense to me. And then we had the big party, which was, you know, tremendous. And there were, like I was, there was, there was like two big, disappointments in this episode and um uh kind of three now because we found out another disappointment

in this episode that is a really really bad and we just looked i went back and uh to see if it was true and dylan brought it up and it is true so bad so bad what i know you haven't heard this yet yeah if you haven't heard it you're behind the times so as we're at the party in the big hall the Great Hall at Winterfell. And John is sitting off to the side talking to what's his face from the wildlings. And, you know, they're slapping each other and saying what a great king he is and what a great guy is. And Mary says, you know, getting her panties in a wad and getting all butt hurt there that she's not the one. Torrman's all.

Who gets on an effing dragon? A king. A little guy in front of back for life. Drink, puke. Of course it is. It's good stuff. So great. It's not part of the celebration.

Yes, it is. Yeah. tremendous. But as you look at the shot, there's a coffee cup on the table. That's very disappointing. That's crazy. And I know that they say that, you know, they're saying obviously it's a Starbucks, but then somebody said it doesn't, I think it's just like a food services cup. Yeah. You know, obviously, they're not a Starbucks in Ireland where they're shooting this for 55 days, but there's food services. Yeah. And there it sits on the table. Oh, my God. So great in the like the lead-in videos for this. Like, they're trying to hype you up for the season. They were like, the attention to do. Detailed on Game of Thrones is second to none from the costumes to the sets and a Starbucks cup. Not quite.

Whoever continuity is should be fired from every other job they have right now. In fact, the checks that we paid you, we want them back. How did everyone miss that? Like the continuity, there is a continuity person assigned to every six. That's their job. And then not only that. Probably not just one. They have one job.

And the actors. Like, where are you at? And she's right there, and the Starbucks cup is right in front of you. It's like she's about to drink out of it. Yeah. It's just amazing. I don't know. That is funny.

Yeah, I don't know that I'm disappointed with it because it's just in today's world, we catch it. You know, in the old days you go back and you look at the old shows and old movies and you find discrepancies and you go, oh, that's funny. I didn't catch it when the movie was going on. Thanks to social media, we catch it now, you know, right away. So that makes it. Blast it everywhere. Yeah. But, you know, the party was fine.

The other, go ahead. What were your thoughts, Dylan? I thought the first 30 minutes were really, really slow. I mean, after the party, when we got into General Hospital of Thrones, I just...

General Hospital of Thrones. It just kind of lost me for a while. And then the sex scenes, they weren't even like the steamy, you know, lewd sex scenes that we're used to. It was just like, hey, Jamie and Brian, they're finally, you know,

but that's one of my disappointments. I mean, that's the... The payoff. Yes. That is the payoff of it. Well, it is for me. It's a disappointment for me.

The payoff for Jamie and Brian. Yeah. No, it was, but I think the actress that plays Brian, she's, have you seen like some of her interviews?

Like, she's a really classy lady. Oh, really? Like, I think she's a, I'm not sure, like, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she's a family,

you know, woman. Okay, you're wrong. And she's, and she's really, but she's really, she always dress is really classy.

So I can see her being like, uh, no. That's fair. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I get that. I'm just saying for me as a fan of those two and they've been building this relationship up for so long now.

And to have the payoff be go to another shot. Right. Okay. They wouldn't have done this in season one. In season one, it would have been buck wild. Season one, she's got her legs on the ceiling. The logs on the fireplace are rolling out of the place. For sure.

There'd be a mistake going on. Is someone playing modern music? It's getting hot in here? Why is there like this bounce-c-b-b-ch-b-d-c-c-in-the-back? Season eight cutaway. But it was, I mean, that payoff was interesting. And you knew that what was going to happen to Jamie would happen, right? I mean, there's no way he's living that.

No way. He wants to. He wants to live that. And it's a dream of his, but not going to happen. To be honest. I was like the appeal of that tension between. them was now gone. So I'm like, I wish they were just left it as is. It was more of like this admiration type thing between the two of them and this like, and that kind of bred the

tension. I just wish they would have left it. I wish they wouldn't have paid it off. Like he has to leave before they have a chance. Yeah. That would have been better. I'd be more satisfied with that. For sure. Especially since we get the cutaway. When they didn't, we didn't get to pay up in the scene anyway. Right. Pretty much. Right. The point was they did it. And now he's struggling with, you know, now he's trying to be, you know, Mr. Guy hanging out at Winterfell, which he hates. you know, hanging out with a female that's not as good as Searcy. Okay, so, okay, so that is, that's one of the reasons why I classify this is the episode of Broken Hearts because, so they set that relationship up, lets you think that it's going,

and then boom, destroyed it. Right. So, like, is he going, that's what I didn't get. Maybe you guys figured it out, but like, so is he going back to Be with Searcy or is going back to, like, mess her up? I think he's going back to Be with her. You think so? Yeah, but I think it's going to mess up the public story that her baby is urons.

So it doesn't make any sense to me because Jamie's on this like redemption arc. Like that's why I thought his store where his story was going. Now he's they're backtracking on that. So I was like, he's like regressing. That's what he's said to Brianne, right? That's not, he's not that person. And he already said that he's, you know, no matter what, he'll, he's with Circe. No matter what.

That's what the either DB or David was saying in the after, after show that he's like addicted to her or something. It's like weird. Yeah, yeah. That's what made me say that. Well, this is the after show, Dylan. I don't know what you're talking about on any other shows. Yeah, this is the after show.

This is the after show. It's called Talking Thrones. I don't know. That makes no sense to me. That plot line makes no sense. Like I totally get it if he's like, I've got to go back and stop her. Then we're like, oh yeah, Kingslayer part two. Now the Queen Slayer, you know, I'm going to get it.

That might be an underlying thought though, right? He could maybe get there and try to. quell some of her anger and death rage. Yeah. Right. But I think... Right. But when he gets there... Oh, he's so taken out, you're on. I'm calling that one.

He won't kill Circe because of Aria doesn't kill Circe and be pissed. Right. We riot if Aria doesn't kill Circy. We riot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Straight up. But then, but if he does... He better do the whole stab. Yeah. I hope he does this exact same scene. She turns around. He just

shoves the sword straight into her back and be dope. I'm loving it. Single combat between... Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, no, no. Not, not, uh, Circe, but Uron. Yeah, you're on.

Your Honor. Yeah, Yaron versus Jamie would be a really cool fight, especially if he has to, like, overcome, like, being left-handed, but then he still wins. That'd be dope. He is such a douche that you're on. Yeah. Such a douche.

Oh, my gosh. That he's still around. I'm like... I know. Well, she's using him. I mean, she's got him wrapped now, right? She's using him just like she wanted working out perfectly.

Yeah, and we got to come back to that towards the end when we get towards the end's content because something kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Or anyway, we'll get back to that. Okay. The other disappointment for me was when DeNarius begs John not to say anything, she, of course, is actually right. I mean, as a fan of the show, you're thinking, no, John has to know, and it's his thrown back on down.

You don't know what you're talking about. Sit down. care. But in real life, she's right. You can't say anything, right? If she's going to rule, and if he believes that he is going to bend the knee and that she's the queen, he can't say anything because it will just spread and undermine her leadership, which we see is happening. Right. Right. Because he ends up telling, you know, and that was the disappointing part. They're out there at the frozen lake tree, god tree, whatever the hell it's called. I didn't see a coffee cup.

I'm not sure what it's called. They're talking to Sansa and Arias and Bran is out there. I guess it's motorized wheelchair. Somebody brought him out there. And he tells him. And then Brad is your choice. We're going to tell you something. It's a secret you have to swear.

Okay. So my big disappointment. Is this what you're saying? I'm not sure what you're saying is your, what's your, what's your disappointment with that scene? Her begging or? No. No. No.

I'm good with that. But as that's part of them, then going to the God's tree. So I'm just kind of merging two scenes there, her begging. And then John's showing up with the family under the tree and telling them and he's got this secret to tell them. And you're thinking, don't tell him. And then he says, and then he looks at Brandon with your choice. I'm just hanging out here in my chair. and the payoff we don't get.

That's the disappointing. It's not a cutaway. It's just, okay. And then he doesn't even tell him. Brand, go ahead. Take away. All right, so my disappointment with that scene. And they break away.

We don't even get to see their reaction. Yeah, well, yeah. I guess they just didn't want to tell the story again. Because they already, you know what I'm saying? They already told the story once. They don't want to just, they don't want to restate it for the camera. That's why I'm assuming they did the cutaway. All right.

Yeah. But I'm, I was disappointed because. John's character, he's, he's, one of the cool thing about is predictability. She knew that he wouldn't be able to keep that from his family. That's true. And he, but he basically promised to her saying, I will do with my queen ass of me. And then he broke that promise. Now that's not in, that's not how that character works.

So I was like, what are you doing? Like, at least be consistent with it. That's true. Like he, his, his loyalty and his word is, is everything. It's everything. That's what started the whole, like, double-crossed betrayal. He could have gotten, he could have alleviated all this and

got their help with the long night, you know, fight with the Night King. If he just would have done that little white lie. But he was like, do words mean anything anymore? You know, that whole big speech last season. So it was like, that's who I am. That's my word. I'm a man of my word. And now they completely went back on that. Right. Yeah, they

broke that promise and ended up telling his family anyway. That's why I was like, what are you doing? And we see how it's undermining her leadership already. I mean, and let's just say that and I love the, you know, so when Tery and Various were talking and he asked how many people know, and Tyrion says, I think, eight or something like that. And he goes, well, then that'll be 100 in a day.

It's not a secret. It's information. It's information, right. And you're right. Yeah, it's a good line. It's not a secret. It's information. And I find it, it's exactly what she said would happen.

And it also goes, you know, it's like, well, okay, why are you, I mean, one little secret is out and, you know, within a short time frame, it's everywhere. Dad kept his mouth shut for how many years? You know, the old man, the old man went to his grave keeping the secret. He didn't open his mouth to anybody. He kept his word. Yeah. So you're right, Jason, is that that goes completely against his character. So weird.

And we knew that Sanzo wasn't going to be able to, to, like, to. keep that? She doesn't, she doesn't have that sense of, like, honor that John does. She went to the school. She has that, she has that sense of, I'm going to screw Denarius. Yeah, it sounded like she used it on purpose. Like, she knew that Turing would start spreading it around. Yep. She went to the school of a little finger, you know, of manipulation. Yep. Yes. So she knows exact, she knows, oh, this is information I can use. We knew that exact, right at the point where she said, I swear, I was like, shut up. Shut up. Don't even bother saying I swear. Come on.

Doubt. Nobody believes you. Really good. And then we had, I, we went back to Various and Tyrion chatting. They chatted a few times in this episode that time. And then they did their tyranny chat going and goes. That was good.

I like that. That was a good scene except that Various, man. That guy is, I mean, he's the guy that talked Tyrion into believing in the queen. Right. And now he's talking Tyrion into, eh, she's no good anymore. Yeah, let's throw her away. Well, they're, I mean, they really are setting this. I mean, you can see it.

Like, DeNaris is, I don't know. I mean, next episode, I think she's going to go full on cray cray. Oh, yeah. I mean. My notes, I typed that Mad Queen for shadowing was hell obvious. For sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the family craziness.

For sure. The White Jacket family is all back. Dude, I mean, she, yeah, she, you saw the look on her face at the end. She's just like, she's out for blood at this point. I would say she has some kind of a point. Look, all the people that we go back to picking this episode apart a little bit, we'll go back to the people that are supposed to be on her side. She's breaking up the army, right, to attack different angles.

She rolls into Kingsland and with her two dragons, thinking she's all badass and loses one. That was amazing. Right? I mean, Kings Landing is nothing but giant crossbow city now. Yeah, what the... I mean, they've been busy building those bad boys. Yeah, and apparently they're mounted on these ships and like...

And I'm sorry, but that's the thing, something I was nitpicking. You're in two... You're in a freaking dragon flying high above the clouds. You don't see it? You don't see an armada of ships down there? Well, they were around the corner of a rock. Yeah, you can't see it when you're a mile above, you can see over the rock. That's the trick.

The ballista shoot in glass. They shoot around corners. Right, right. Yeah, it's one of those new, new arrows that bend. Come on. I know. I know. And he just sat there waiting for her to fly over.

And he killed the one and we missed hers. Right. Why not kill hers? Right. Why are we having hit the one without her first, guys? Right. You know, it was a good death scene. No question.

And it was definitely, you know, shock city. We're down to one dragon, man. Right. We're down to one dragon. And when they met at King's, landing, the dragon's back there in the sand. Kill them now. What's Searcy doing?

I know if she's going to kill everybody anyway, kill the freaking dragon right now. I kept waiting for her to swing back around and save them or something, but she just said, screw it and took off. Right. She's like, nope. Right. So, uh, it took off. I was like, oh, the crap.

And I'm really bummed that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, Searcy didn't push her over the edge. I thought she was going to use wildfire. I was, I was, I was convinced myself that she was going to burn her to death. Really? Uh-huh. But I get, because I thought they were going to parallel her with the Mad King, but I guess that's not right. I might not, I might just use the mark on that. I thought it was going to be a callback to the pushing brand out.

I did too. That's what I would have. I did too. I thought that as well. That's what I expected her to go up and say if there's anything, you know, when she said, if there's anything you want to say at the end, now would be the time. And then I thought she was just going to look out, look at them and then give her a push. You know, anything for love. So during that, during that scene, that's what I said I wanted to come back to later.

Because like, Tyrion's all, uh, you're for your child. and all this stuff. So like, Yaron's, I was like, wait a minute, is Yaron not freaking out about that? Like,

wait, how does Tyrion know about this baby? Because the words out. Is it now? I guess, he might be that, Uron might be that dumb. He might not know how long.

I think he is that dumb. Yeah, I think you're right. I agree with that. Yeah. I agree with that. Plus, well,

that goes back to, right? So he knows, right? I mean, he knows. What happened to the information of Tyrion and various

and knowing that they're just sailing in, and they don't know that Yoron's out there with the ships with dragon killer arrows and they're just cruising in and not only are they not only are they dragon killer arrows

but we lower them and we start we just blast all the ships to hell with these giant arrows and I mean it was just there's no information being being shared with Denarius from her people who are supposed to know the information

yeah you would think these like great war heroes would be like maybe we should go like do a little recon like possibly this castle has been taken by Circe's forces. And Kings Landing has been building these giant arrows and bow and arrows on top of the wall. And no one says, hmm, I mean, we ought to tell somebody. They clearly had enough time to fortify and build all these things. And Sans is like, can we take another week to rest?

Right. This is like, no, we've got to get down there. Right. They're already ready. What happened to the little whisperers, the little kids saying, oh, they're doing nothing. but there's got to be one that goes against a homeboy from Kings Landing, right? Yeah. It was there for various.

I mean, I know he's got a special little chocolate he gives the kids, but there's got to be one that says, well, you know, various was kind of good to me. You know who I think? You know the little birds or the little kids? I was thinking that, you know who I think is one? That little girl at Winterfell that was all, I want to fight too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know? She had that burned half part of her face. Yeah, she did.

And I was like, oh, that's from the wildfire, probably from the. I'm assuming that's going to come back. That could. Well, that's a good one. It was just such a random point that they stuck out in the middle of nowhere. We never saw her in the crypt anyway. Never. I don't think.

Yeah, we did. They showed her back. Oh, did they showed her in there. Yeah. She didn't have a big scene where she was in. No, she did not, but they showed her down there. She was in there. Okay.

Yeah. Because I remember thinking, well, why don't you grab a sword or a knife or something? Why are you just sitting there? I remember thinking you said you wanted to fight. You know, you were a little kid and now you're, and now obviously she's a little kid and she's scared in the crypt. I get it. But if she was that badass to fight, she should have stood up and fight down there.

I remember thinking that. So she was there. We'll see a payoff, I think, from that. Either the next episode or the week after that. She'll come back into play somehow. That's a good one. I like that one. So then we had the Kings Landing, the fight, the brother.

I love to, we can get back to The Hound and Aria taking off. Wow. The best road trip buddies ever. Back in action, part two. No, no doubt. And the hound is kind of better off now, right? He got from, he turned down the hooker at the party and talked to Sonsa. Oh, that was so good.

Sonsa came over and said, you know, she would have made you a little happy. What do you? It's the problem. But he always felt guilty, right? Because he said it all would have been different if you had just come with me. And she let him off the hook. Yeah. She let him off the hook.

So none of this. I would, yeah, I wouldn't have been me, right? It wouldn't have been me without this. That conversation was so good. I mean, that's the brand thought too, right? I mean, I can hate you, but this would not have happened. I wouldn't be me if you had to done this. Right.

And the same thing he said to Theon. Everything you did brought you home. Right. Kind of like a theme there going around. Yes. So, I mean, it was, you know, it gave, it gave Hound. I can't wait till Houndt kills his brother. Oh, I can't wait.

Clegan Bull. I want him to kill that big son of a bitch so bad. I want him dead. So that is why that's his unfinished business. Yeah. He's going down to fight brother. He has to. I'm not wasting any time with any hookers.

I don't have time for any of that. I want to eat. I'm going to have a little drink. And then I'm out of here. He's there for business. Yeah. And Aria's unfinished business is Circe. Yeah.

It's going to be, I mean, are we going to have, is it going to be Ari? Just to jump ahead to the last episode, how Circe dies. If Circe dies. Is Aria, you know, jump up and status. her at the baby. I think she does it wearing somebody's face. I think so too. You know,

I don't know who, but I think, you know, I think they may return to that. I mean, maybe she walks in as. Jamie. If Jamie dies.

Yeah. But then it would have to be, Circe would have to, like, wound him and then Jamie goes away or something, you know, I don't know.

If Jamie is breaking his redemption arc, I'd be very surprised if he lives through this, through this season. Right. Because there's no reason to root for him anymore.

Because my thing is Circe kills him and then knows he's dead and then Arii puts on his face, she'll be like, okay, well, you're obviously not Jamie. Yeah, I don't know how that. I don't know. I kind of thought it might be Jamie too. I just don't know how they'll noodle it out. That makes the most sense. But I don't, yeah, I don't. She'll definitely, she doesn't, she won't just waltz in, like freaking Braun waltzed into winter.

I thought she was going to kill Broad. I did too. I was waiting for that. He turned around and boom. Okay, he's been, him and Veron, Varae has been my favorite characters since season one. Yeah. And I've loved them personally. And I thought, I was like, are you?

comes up and slits his throw and that's how he dies, I might have to stop watching. I've had several moments that's this season. I'm like, if this person dies, I'm done. I love the fact that Braun and that just walks in on them at the bar, walks in

on Tyrion and Jamie at the bar. You love that? I did because where was everybody else? All of a sudden, where they're at a bar? I'll buy themselves and then he just walks in on him. Like in the middle of Winterfell, right? I mean, like, how does this, how does that work?

They're at war. Were they back in town? Were they, where they, did they go to the little town bar? That's possible. Maybe. I don't know, man. I was just like, come on. It's like 3 a.m.

You know, everybody's already asleep and they just, they're just closing it all down. It's not like they're at war or anything with the, like the queen that he is like the right hand manned of kind of. Right. Come on. Right. And, you know, he made the deal, right? The deal.

And he, he's wanted that property. for a long time. Dude, it gets like the city. Yeah, okay, we gave you that. All right.

Jamie's like, no, I'm not giving you that. High Garden is like the economic hub of the entire place. You put an arrow in my head, but no, and Tyrion's like,

yeah, you got, don't worry about it. I got you. I got you. It's all yours. No? That's insane.

Yeah. I think Tiering was just buying himself time because now Braun walked away and they have a second to breathe because if if he had said, no, I'm not doing that.

They'd both be dead. Right. It was just strange that he just showed up. But it was a strange. It was kind of out of nowhere, for sure. He's kind of overplaying his hand, because I don't think he's going to get either thing that he wants. And I think he knows that, right?

For him to threaten main characters like that, that's risky. And I totally, I totally feel you, though, because I did not think he was walking out of that. I thought, because he was backing up towards the door and like, wait for it, wait for it. I actually thought Breanne was going to step in and do something. Something, you know, but. That would have been good. No. That would have been good.

I've been okay with that. But he has to live to fight another day, though, right, so that we get him down the line because he's going to have to be on Tyrion side. He's going to have to fight for Tyrion. I hope so. He has to. Right. Me too. Those two are a couple.

And that's probably how someone gets into the castle to do something. Maybe that's how Jamie gets in or something. Like that relationship will play out somehow. Yes. He's the man inside now that they have. Quick point. We back up a little bit to, it was a, one of the sad moments on the show when they were,

when John was taking off, amazingly, he didn't want to ride the dragon. The dragon was licking its wounds of healing, so he wanted to ride his horse that I loved to. Well, he read through a few pages forward in the script and found out that he would die. He said, no,

that was going down. I'll take my horse. He's saying goodbye to everybody. And he says goodbye to, it says goodbye to Sam and the wife and they're having a, a new kid. And I noticed he didn't tell Sam. I guess we're just guessing he told Sam not to say anything.

You know, hey, you need to keep this between us. Yeah, we never saw him. We never saw him tell Sam that. He gave ghost to the wildling. What's his name? Piss me off. Torman. Torman, yeah.

He was, and Torman was great too when John said, you're not, Turman's like, you're not riding the dragon? What are you doing? You're riding the horse? Blood Dragon can't carry me. You're like two fleas doing it. You mean nothing to that dragon. He's talking about.

So great. But anybody did he gave him ghost. Is that his final episode? Like Torman just gone? I know. Well, I don't think so, right? John's got to come back to the north, right? Because he said so is the north.

He said that's where you belong. On the wall, though. He might just go up to his wild area and be done. That's kind of sucks. But that's where John ends up, though, right? beyond the wall? Yeah, John ends up back at the north because he's even told John,

you know, that's where you belong to. Oh, I remember him saying that. Yeah. So that's where they come back, right? John ends everything and, right, that's, I don't know how we get there. I haven't quite figured that one out yet, but that's where he ends up.

Well, that's the end of the series, right? There is a plot leak that, well, one of the, again, take this is the grain of salt, plot leak in air quotes, that the final episode is a big twist that they, find out that again this could be total horse crap right right but um they say that they find out that the night king is not the threat of him is not really done and they have to go back over the wall back to remember where the the point where he was making all the kids and he was making all the

white walkers chaper oh no way way up there way up there yeah where the baby was like on a little altar it was almost like stonehenge of right exactly that spot they so this plot like says he has to go up they have to go up there and do something so that he never comes back or something like that. Oh, I'd love that. I would love that. Right, because there's been nothing, no backstory of the night king or anything. At the beginning of the episode, Sir Davos was thinking about, he was asking the right questions. He was like, where's the Lord of Light? So is that it for the Night King? And then Tyrion was just like, oh, you'll be happy if you don't think about it. And I was like, oh, I do want to think about the Night King. Wait, did he say something about the

Night King? Sir Davos, what? I don't know if he said something about the Night King. He talked about the Lord of Light, though, right? He was talking about the Lord of Light just leaves. We, you know, we fought his war and where is he? And that kind of stuff. Dude, that would make a whole lot of sense because it seems such a bad payoff for Torman just to go north and that's it. Ghost just to go and that's it unless they're going to see them again. And he said that's where you belong there too, right? So that's what I'm thinking that's.

Oh, maybe? There was a line where... And that gets him there. That script line gets him back there. Yeah. There was a line where when Tyrion said he envies Brand and Brand says, don't envy me. I mostly live in the past. What if that's him?

He has to go back and be the Night King and live out most of his life in the past. That's been floating around too That brand ended up As the Night King somehow I tell you what At least he'd be able to walk It's true There you go

Just hang out in his little tree land there If it ends Where just he doesn't even go and pet the dog He just looks at it The dog whimpers with one freaking ear gone I know And then walks out as like No what?

Nothing I could not believe that I know I thought the same thing HBO said no more CGI You've got to Right. You want to take ghost with you.

And that's the whole thing. No, we're not paying for you to come up and pet the CGI dog. We're not paying for the CGI. We're going to let the dog sit over there and give you a sad look. Okay, that's all we're paying for. Is the CGI that difficult for a dog? I don't know. Just take a regular dog and enlarge him.

I don't know. Come on. You can do that. I mean, something, right? Come on. Something. It was so funny. The only thing I thought of the whole time was like,

you're not paying for them to pet the dollar? You guys. Budget's out. I mean, you've already looked a coffee cup on the table in the hall. Yeah. It's so bad. Could have saved some money by firing the continuity person or whatever and then use that for CGI. Thank you.

So we leave, we end it with, you know, with, we're getting ready for the battle at, at Kings Landing. And they just, you know that Kings Landing is going to be destroyed. It's going to be destroyed. I don't know how you get that dragon by those crossbows until you just have to make those crossbows run out of their arrow. I mean, how many did they make? Yeah. How many of the giant bows did they make?

We had, how many do we use out there in the ocean? And then how many do we have back at King's Landing? There's another reason that somebody might have said, they're making like all these giant arrows. Maybe we ought to say something. I don't know what they're using this for, but nothing? Yeah. I think it's going to be pretty obvious. I, from the leaks from the, from that aerial footage on Google Earth or whatever.

We, we know, it looks like a dragon goes straight through the front gates is what it looks like and just goes. Burns just straight down the main street. That's what it looked like. And she kind of tipped that off, De Nera's did when she goes, just leave the front gates open. If they want to come in here and kill all the citizens right through the main gate or something like that, then that's on them or something like that. So they, so somehow, I don't know, maybe instead of flying, she decides just to walk. drogan maybe I don't know maybe the arrows can't shoot down I don't know but uh like a strike team that's possible right like that maybe they can't bend down maybe they're just because they bent down on

the ships right we saw that we saw them bend down to the ships so they could shoot at the ships but the ones that king's landing might not be able to bend down to shoot down yeah so they're already high up so so that's maybe a good prediction she'll see that she'll take drogan straight down and just walk his butt up through the front gate I'll walk him through the door he could he could be like flying like a foot off the ground. That's what happens. Just coming in like really fast. Yeah, fly underneath the radar.

Yeah. Or the arrows, whatever the case may be. Because that's how you, if you haven't seen that Google Earth, check it out. Yeah. Because that's how it looks. It looks like a dragon is walking through. I mean, you don't see that obviously, but it just looked like a dragon walked through the front gate.

And that whole, and it looks like that's the destruction of the city with the dragon. Right, right, right. Yeah. It was fascinating. It should be a good episode. I look for more continuity issues. because you don't know what it's so bad

I mean we heard how much money they spent and they made such a big deal over over the 55 nights of shooting of the war and everything and they spent all this money and they've got what's going on at HBO? What's happening?

We've got continuity issues. We've got leak problems with these shows. What's happening? Can't afford our CGI. Right? Come on. I mean, Barry isn't costing you that much. Spend a couple more bucks out of Game of Thrones.

It's something they would, they really would have had problems with it had been during the first season. You know what I mean? Little things like that. But now it's like, but again, this was coming after what, like 55 straight days of shooting for that, you know, that one episode. You know, like that everyone at that point just like, man, screw it. You know, like. Well, if they, if they shot it in order. Yeah, if they shot it in order, absolutely. But you don't know when they shot the, they might have compared to the, you know, the evidence. There was like, uh-uh. That's true. Yeah. That's true. Did you leave the coffee cup there?

Yeah, I don't care. I'm just tired. Let's get this shot over with. Slap him on the back, drink some puke, let's go. So next week, what happens? Do we have two strong episodes left? That's it. Two episodes.

Both 80 minutes long. You know, I'm enjoying the distance, the length of the episodes. What happens? Do we lose King's Landing in this episode and then go to kill the Night King and end it? Do we have someone sitting on the throne

who dies, who lives? What do you think? So Amelia Clark, the actress who plays DeNaris Targary, I think she said that if you thought the long night episode,

the Battle of Winifell was big. She said episode five is bigger. That's what she said. I had seen that. So, and episode five typically is the huge, or I'm sorry,

the second to last episode is typically the largest episode. That was Battle of Bastards, hard home, red wedding. Then you come back and wrap it up. Right. Right.

The final one's the wrap up. So I think that this will be the decisive, who's going to sit on the Iron Throne type. Well, the decisive who's going to win the war. And we'll know at the end of the episode next week who won the war. That's what I think. And it'll all be at King's Landing. Yep, I'm with you.

I think it's kind of down to Circe or Danny who want it. And then you may have kind of John off in the, often like third place where he may have to take it. And so I think we're going to between, I think either Circe or DeNaris won't walk out of next episode. Right. And then, you know, and you know, and she's looking good, by the way. It's got the new outfit up on top of the wall. She's always looking good. She's, she's looking good saying, hey, I'm in charge.

I wanted her to push, I wanted her to push home girl off bad. I didn't want, I didn't want, wants his face to cut off her head. I just wanted her. You better say it now. Yeah, no, you know what? Never mind. See you. Just give her a show.

What I'm unsure about, though, is this political intrigue between Danny and John. I know. So they're going to pay that off this episode. There is going to be a crap ton of civilians that die, I think, in this fight. Well, you're looking at Various and Tyranny, you know, talking about, or Various and Tyrion talking about tyranny, right, going against the queen. So they're setting that up for the final episode, John versus DeNaris, I think. The final right to the throne.

Right. So I think, I think Circe will be definitively out. I think she'll either be dead or just out somehow, and they'll be setting that up. So whether they do the Night King, our whole theory or not, I'm not sure, but they'll have to resolve that in the final episode.

That just seems like it would take a long time. Yeah, no kidding. But, I don't know, but regardless, next week is going to be one bad A episode, another big fight. And so will this episode next week on Talking Thrones. Thanks for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe to Chewing the Fat with yours truly, Jeff Fisher,

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The baby's out. I know. I planned on talking a lot of today. We've got, with the announcement is out. We have not seen the child. We have not seen the child. But expect some royalty talk on chewing the fat.

Yeah. And a little update to the lineage of the kinhood. Oh, no. Yes. We have an update of that. And a lot of people would call that lineage. No, lineage.

Linge. Linge. That's what that. It's my word. Okay. Oops, good for that. Yeah. And you can get that on chewing the fat.

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