Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E5 | Game of Thrones

Episode Date: May 13, 2019

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Season 8, episode 5 of the Game of Thrones, titled The Bells. It's the final season, final episodes. We're covering it all, what happened, what could have happened, what should have happened. Boy, a lot of what should have happened on this episode of Talking Thrones. Welcome to it. Welcome to Talking Thrones with myself, Jason Butrell, Amber Fisher, sitting in in Dylan Keller. I shouldn't even say sitting in. You're just joining us now, Dylan Keller.

There's two more episodes. one left of the Game of Thrones. The IFDB description, forces have arrived at King's Landing for the final battle. I saw the HBO quick description was Various betrays his queen and Denarius brings her forces to Kings Landing. The penultimate episode of Game of Thrones. I think my title for this episode would be crazy. The world has gone mad. I don't know, something like that.

It was a cinematic, actual masterpiece. Cinematically, visually. I thought so, too. It was great. I thought it looked really good. But the story sucked. I was going to say, left something to be desired, but that's a more direct way to put it. No, let's be blunt here.

We said we'd riot if certain things happened, if they wouldn't happen or whatever. I think it's our journalistic integrity. to riot, you know, at the moment because I don't. I disagree with that. I disagree with that. Are you serious? Yes, I do.

We said aria should kill Circe. That was one of our riot points. Okay, well, all right, never mind. But that's one of the minor plot things that didn't happen that pissed me off. There were a number of things that, um, disappointing, disappointing. That we wanted to happen. Character arcs that were destroyed that I wished would have continued on. Right.

with this episode that was, you know, that was, it was hard to take. Jeffrey, um, let's, let's compare it to fear and walking dead for a little bit because that's what, you know, where this podcast started,

not that actually focused on really. But, um, you know, we, we always said that, you know, fear had, had a hard time because it didn't have the,

you know, the canon wasn't already written for them. So they had to just make up all their own content. So, and then fear started struggling big time because of that. Um, walking dead would always have a leg up on. them because they had all that rich stuff to pull from.

Correct. Well, the seasons, like, leading up to, I guess, you know, last season and all that, like, it was all written out. Like, they had this wealth of information, this huge world that George R. Martin had written for them. All they had to do was just converted to the TV and bam, there you go. And it was great. But the further they've gone away from his book, the more it sucked.

And, like, I'm sorry, but, like, the episode three, Batter-Winterfell, that was a huge letdown. Big disappointment. Big disappointment. Like, again, not even visually as cool as it could have been because it was at night, but whatever. Story-wise, like, it just didn't fit. Like, I was like, I don't understand some of this stuff.

Like, it's, we didn't get any kind of backstory in the Night King. Like, there's just bam, like the boogeyman of the entire show is not just gone with no explanation. So, yeah. So let's, okay. So we can, you know, we can kind of walk through the episode a little bit, you know, in the beginning, we see. you know, various writing his notes, you know, to whoever he's going to send them to.

I don't know if he sent them or he burned them or there were some more on the desk that were already written, right, that we saw. We don't know if those were sent or what happened. Must have, right? Must have sent some of them. Right. It had to have, right? That's what I was thinking.

When he burnt the last one, I was like, was that the only one he wrote? Surely not. No, and you see there's a, there's a shot that shows a pile, a small pile of them, you know, or a few on the desk that have already been circled and stamped. And then, you know, I love that, you know, he knew his time was up. Take the rings off. Take the things. I will say the good thing about Circe is she didn't take any jewelry off at the end.

Various took all his rings off. It says, time to go. I know I'm going to be, I know I'm going to die. I'm going down. And Circee, she was all jeweled out. She was still accessorized out at the end. If, well, I'll get to that. We'll get to that.

And then I thought at the very beginning, my, when they brought, when they brought various down and, you know, De Narius was, you know, going to kill him, I really did. I mean, that was really a slap in John Snow's face. I mean, I kept waiting for her to say something to him at that time, you know, like, this should be you. Right. And she was, it's interesting. She, when John, or when Tarian first came and she, he, he, uh, he. she blamed John straight off. Right.

And he was like, no, Veris. And then she was like, well, actually, it was Sonsa. And she was very like biting to Sonsa. I was like, holy. It was John's fault. Right. I mean, it was all John's fault. And he was 100% right in that little speech, though.

I mean, she called Sansa that, you know, she told the secret knowing that Tyrion wouldn't be able to keep it. She was right. I think she was right on that. Yeah. I don't, I don't know, man. I like her a lot. But I always root for the. underdog and the underdog is the person with no dragons so but the underdog used to be denaris

right like that's that's maybe one of my biggest issues with some of the writing with taking her mad for a while for a while she was the underdog but then the dragons became kind of a trump card after a while sure but like but you know rightfully earned i would say yeah that's true i mean she definitely raised them and like they weren't i mean they gave her trouble and she had to get she had a work cut out to tame them so i'll you know i agree there and just yeah her you know you know, getting sold off and, you know, like her crown was, you know, stolen from her, basically, and then raped and, you know, by the person she was sold to, basically. And, you know, just everything time and time and time again to finally getting, you know,

some power and then to turn crazy. That's my biggest issue. She just turns crazy. Like that. There's a, there's very little. That's why I said my title, my title should be, you know, crazy or, you know, you know, gone, the world's gone mad. Oh, look who's finally decided to join.

Oh, hey. Yeah, thanks for starting without me. That was not my call. No problem. Yeah, I know who's call it was. Oh, look, who just decided to join. Look, the show only starts at the same time every week. Don't worry about it.

Remember I know where you sleep. So we've just, look, welcome to it. And we have decided that, you know, the world has gone mad and it's crazy. And the episode, Jason is a fan of saying that the episode, what was the word you use? Oh, yeah, that's the word. Very unhappy with the episode. And I think Dylan is right there with them, actually. More or less, yeah.

I mean, it was what the cinematics were there, like you said, the effects and the dragon flying everywhere. So it looked good, but, like, the supporting structure of the story kind of just wasn't there. Like, I'm watching the dragon. I'm watching the explosions and the Golden Company get annihilated. And I'm typing on my phone, like, disappointing episode. It did go off the rails a little. Yeah, Golden Company.

Good, good, that is a good example. That was a good example. Yeah, like, I thought they were supposed to be awesome. They didn't even exist in the episode. They just like literally in the first couple seconds they were wiped out. Right. And the head guy started running, right? Chicken.

Yeah. He got knocked down his guys. They were running away. Yeah. I'm scared. But they were building them up so much. And then bam. And you thought at least they would, at least instead of being so scaredy cats,

they would at least say, okay, we're going to fight with you. Yeah. Right. We're going to fight with you. I've seen a lot of theories on that. Right. There was reasons for them to do that. And it just felt like they just didn't have time.

So the writers were like, all right, let's just have the dragon. Right. They set it up nonstop. They were like, they never broke a contract. Did we mention that they never broke a contract? Did we say that a couple? Yeah, but if we didn't, they never broke a contract. Like, okay, you're setting something up.

They're going to break a car. And they're dead. Of course, of course, you know, Tyrion is begging for the bells to ring. You know, asking, look, if you hear the bells, have mercy on the people of the city. You hear the bells, have mercy on the city. John Snow, if you hear the bells, stop the assault. So, you know, apparently, and this is just me, apparently, John decided not to tell the guys until middle of the battle. So who's listening then?

Oh, no, no, stop, stop, stop, don't hurt them. Don't hurt them, the bells are rigged now. Then they started raping and pillaging pretty much. I mean, it was a great for all at that point. And also, how can you can expect Deneres to hear the. bells up in the sky. Bells are only heard on the ground. Everybody knows that.

You don't hear bells in the sky when you're flying on a dragon. So what is she going to do? Nothing. Continue to burn the city. She was sitting on the dragon on the wall at that point. I think she could have heard him. She heard those dang bells. She had her headphones in.

De Nairis Dineris, you watch the torch. They're waiting the bells. Oh, no. She has AirPods in. Oh, no. It was, it was amazing that she. And it. that's another time where I thought,

okay, well, why don't you just fly up to the red seat and kill Searcy? So let's just burn that thing down. That's what I thought she was going to do. And let some of the people get rid of. That's where I thought she was going too. Because I kept looking at the Red Keep and she was getting angrier and angrier. And you could see her devolving. Yeah, into the Mad Queen.

But I thought that, I thought she was just going to concentrate on the Red Keep. Or even maybe the Lannis or soldiers. The whole time I'm like, okay, but at least she's not burning the whole city. And she's burning the whole city down. I was like, how did, that's what? I'm like, I just did not, I just got angrier and angrier the more I was watching this. I'm right there with you. I just didn't want her to be that.

I know. And I don't. You know, what's crazy guys is that George R. Martin did give the main plot points to the show creators. So he's like, these are the things that are going to happen. So you can write around these things, but this is the main plot. So this has got to be, right? Like how the books will go.

I guess so. It doesn't make sense. It's making me doubt the entire story now. It sure does. Especially with, let's take a couple of story arcs that I was really kind of bummed with. The main story arc that I was bummed with is that, Circe and Jamie, you know, they end up together, which is fine. And they have the big, you know, Jamie finally struggles to get there because he's, you know,

the walls closed, the doors close on him. and he has to go the long way around. And then to get there, he's got to fight Uron, which another disappointing arc with Uron and Jamie. Because they fight, you know, Jamie, I love the fight. I love that. I love the fight with Jamie and Yaron. I love that Yaron was thinking we get another point of his,

of Yoron saying, you know, I got to kill the, I'm the king, it's my baby, you're this, I'm going to kill, his last words were I'm the guy that killed the king slayer. And yet, I want, crap. I wanted James. How come Jamie just didn't say, the kid isn't yours, dude.

Oh, yeah. Before, I'm going to stab my knife into your skull, but the kid ain't yours before I do that. I was waiting for. That would have been so much better. Yes. So much better.

He's a little bit too happy at the end. I feel like I would have popped his bubble there. Yes. Exactly. He was like, I killed the Kingslayer. And I love the king of the baby. Shut up.

It's fine. And I have my seed growing inside your sister. He goes, no, you don't. Right. That ain't cheers, bro. There's a sword in your skull. You don't give Huron that last line. I know.

That's just bad writing. And then we end up with, and I would like to say that the world, I guess, believes that Jamie and Circe are dead now right under the rubble. Yeah. Is it possible that they're not? Sure. Sure. Why not?

We didn't see them. I would like to hope in the back of my mind that they're still alive so that at least we can get a good death for them instead of just being buried in the rubble together. If it was a different season of Game of Thrones, I would say, yes. that's entirely possible. But every single theory that we've said, hey, maybe this is going to happen and maybe this is happening

is all been squashed because these writers suck. Like all these theories that we're like, hey, maybe the Night King is really this, this and this isn't going to happen. Or hey, maybe this will happen. It ain't going to happen.

As a side note. It's so vanilla now. As a side note. I just read a story this morning and I'm sure that you're a big part of this, Jason. Angry Game of Thrones fans, Google bombed the show's creators

so that the photo shows up when you search for bad writers. That's great. Everything to do with that. I heard that the creators said that for the last few episodes, they were just going to go to like some island or something like that on vacation.

They weren't even going to pay attention to social media or like anything because they just didn't want to... Well, because they know, right? That's by a good idea. Yeah, very... Because they know, right? They blew up some story arcs

and they blew up some other stuff because I guess you kind of knew it was going to happen. Right. It's the final season. There's nowhere to go with it. Like you said, you know, it's the final season. It's almost impossible to do justice. They have only six episodes to cram all this stuff in. You know, they could stretch it out. I guess the money wasn't there. But if they stretched it out, you know, maybe some of these arcs have more satisfying ending. How is the money? Exactly. How is the money? How is the money? How do we not have enough money? This is going back to last week's episode. But how do we not have enough money for John Snow to pet wolf goodbye?

Yeah. Yeah. Ghost goodbye. Thank you. Thank you. And we get the, so we get that. And then we have the, and so we'll get to Ari in a second,

which I heard the whole story thing with, with the hound was very fascinating. But we do get the, the hound and Gregor battle that we wanted. Clegan Bowl, which was pretty good. And we got to see his face. Right.

I mean, that was pretty good. I wasn't thinking, And I didn't really know whether or not we'd get to. He is the bane of Westerfeld. Westerfell? Or Westerfell? Whatever.

Okay, just don't mind me. The whole King of Thrones. The whole thing. That was fun. That was fun. Although I will say, you know, after he, we found out that he actually, that Gregor actually was still kind of human, kind of knew what was going on in his world. Right?

we always thought that he was still under just the under, I'm, you know, a Frankenstein-ish kind of thing. But he didn't listen to, what's his face? Who's the? Kaiburn. Yeah, Kaiburn. Didn't listen to him, threw him down, killed him, said, no, I'm fighting my brother. I don't care about you. But then, Sirce just walks by.

I go, why didn't he just, you know, just for the, cut her head off. Just for a quick. He totally just stabbed her right there. Right. I wanted that so bad. At least hammer it. I don't want, look, I want, sir. I didn't want, sir.

I didn't want Sertie to die this. I'm buried in rubble with the love of my life. No. Honestly, I thought Haria would be waiting for her down at the bottom of the stairs. Just for a moment. As Jamie. And I had that first,

the first meeting, I thought the same time I thought that. I was like, oh, that are you? I was kind of mad because I thought Yeron showed up just to kill Jamie just so she could wear his face.

I was like, that is so dumb, but then that didn't end up happening. It didn't even happen at all. It's so dumb because, oh, wait, it was. So, I mean, that was fun to watch and fun to watch.

It just die. Why would you die? That was good. And especially the actor that plays him is just, I have a lot more respect for him. Because like there was just a lot of emotion in that fight. That wasn't just him. He's been a lot of emotion in the last couple episodes really, right? Yeah.

For him. Yeah. He's what, the third actor to play him? There was two or three. Oh, the mountain? Yeah. There was two or three different guys that I remember we did. Yeah.

Yeah. From season one. Yeah, it was a completely different looking dude. But not the hound, though. No, no. I'm specifically talking about the mountain, but Gregor does, there was three, really?

Yeah, for the mountain. There's not a lot of us that can pull that roll off. That's so I could understand. There's so few of us out there that can pull that off. Oh, be brief. No, but also, the way the hound died, I mean, they both died together. But, of course,

he dies in fire. He dies in fire, which was his biggest fear. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, very poetic to go out that way. Absolutely. And it was a worthy fight, worthy battle. I wish he would have won.

I would have liked to maybe seen him. Get a spin off with Aria? Yeah. No? Okay, whatever. I would have loved that. I would like to, you know, just at least maybe Aria finds him in the rubble or something. You know, still breathing before he dies or something, you know, the final goodbye.

I was expecting it in a Terminator, you know, like, you know, the... He walks out of the... Half the mountain. Yeah, the mountain with the... You know, like the music and he's just like crawling through like half of his body, like going after people. Goes after the... Goes after the... Goes after the dragon.

I can't die. The, you know, what we missed right before that was the... One of the... There was a handful of scenes that I just actually liked from this episode. episode, one of them was the Jamie and Tyrion scene. That was awesome. Tremendous. Oh, were you crying?

Tremendous. I wasn't crying. You were crying. You were crying. So ladies the gentleman, Jason was praying. Dude, that was so good. Yeah, it was. I was like, oh my gosh.

And I told you totally, you get the betrayal, you know, Tyrion's betrayal, which again, some of the leaks that I spoke about before, pretty much every single one of them has been right. pretty much every single one of them. Think of it. He's the last, which is the final Lannister now. Yeah, and he's so dead.

And he was the one that he was the, he was the one that the old man hated the most. Didn't care about his creating the legacy of the Lannisters and he's the one left. So a little bit of trivia. So Tyrion killed his brother, I mean his father,

and it was on real life Father's Day. Now Circe just died, the other Lannister. She died on Mother's Day. Kind of insane. And she was pregnant. Oh my God. And she was pregnant.

Pretty nuts. I don't think they did it on purpose either. I think it just happened that way. But it's pretty wild. And here's something, Charles Dance, who played Tywin, he would, after every scene shot with Peter Dinklage, would apologize for treating him so horribly. He felt so bad. Wow. Get over it.

And here's the other thing I read. That pisses me on. You know, Tyrion. Do you think Dicklidge has been treated worse than that? And Tyrion almost wasn't. Because the only person they had in mind to play him was Peter Dinklage. So if he would have said no, Tyrion would have never existed in the Game of Thrones. I tell you what, Terry, Peter Denglidge is one of my all-time favorite actors.

I know. I want to meet him. He's so damn good. Oh, I know. So we get that end. And we get the, you know, he gets, let's Jamie go and, you know, the read. But let's get to. And Davros smuggles him out.

And he's like, I'm not going to like this. Yeah, that was good. That was good. You're the greatest smuggler at the world. I'm not going to like this, am I. The, the hound and aria. Oh. You'd think.

And I know, I get it. I get it. It was the last season we're traveling in. I'm here to kill Queen Cursie to the guard. Let me by. Go ahead. You check with whoever you want, but we're going to continue on. Where are you going?

I'm Arias Stark. I'm going to kill the queen. Move on. Go ahead. You think maybe the hound might have told her, maybe it wouldn't have worked sooner, to say you go any farther. You're just going to die.

So why don't you just turn around? Because I thought, no, she's not going to turn around. He's going to kill the queen. But it was getting pretty ugly. I mean, it was getting pretty ugly. I didn't expect her to submit. I did at that point at all. And I was pissed when she did.

actually. It was like, again, that does not, didn't fit at all. The character. But I think the moment was when he actually grabbed her face in that gentle manner that he meant it and she realized that. Because doesn't that go to back something John did with her or somebody? Maybe. Maybe.

Like touching her face. I don't know. Maybe. Is that what he did? I thought he like grabbed her behind the neck or something like that. He grabbed her behind the neck, but first it was like on the side of her face. Then he grabbed her neck.

So he threw her down, but it was in love. You're probably right. It was kind of weird for her to ride all this way, and she's like, now you write, you write, you're right. I'm not going to do it. Yeah, that's not. Okay, yeah, you're right. That's not.

I've been going one direction in the entire show, but because we had this one little conversation for 60 seconds. Yeah, you're right. I'm going to go. And maybe she turns around if he says, look, you know, I'm going to fight my brother. if the queen's there, I'll kill her for you. I'll throw that in. But he doesn't even do that.

No, he has the opportunity to do it, and she strolls out by. No, thank you. Just a quick cut. Head off. That's all I wanted. It's all I asked. The way she died is not justice. No, it is not.

No, it is not. What spun this entire show is because they had this incestuous relationship. Right. The entire show. So, like, they're responsible for everything and for them to just die so stupidly. their whole thing I mean I get dying together you know look they're born together right they're born together as twins yes Jamie and Circe and so they and they created how many children together that are now you know all dead but so I get dying together but just isn't

justice and remember in one episode he said he would the way he wants to die is in the arms of the women woman he loves women right multiple there right but You know, look, but Searcy was the only one. I mean, she's the one that stuck to her guns the whole time. She never changed. Nope. I will say that. Yeah.

Well, as I'm thinking about it, she's the only one that's stayed, you know, I'm Searcy and, you know what? I'll die before this thing is. I'll tell you that. Or I'm going to rule the world. Either way. She cracked me up while the city was burning and like everything was clearly lost. And the whole time that Khyburn's like, hey, we got to go.

Like, the war's over. And she's like, nah, we're good. We're got it. It reminded me a Baghdad Bob. I have never. I have not finished my wine yet. Remember Baghdad, Bob from the second Gulf War? Yes.

Where he's like, what are you talking about? There's no U.S. soldiers around here. They haven't invaded Iraq. But if they did, we totally kicked their butt. They're outside. And Baghdad fell. I mean, I will say that seriously, whatever they paid her was well worth the money for her. Because all she had to do is just stand and sip wine for about the entire season.

just look out the record I know look angry look a little happy look a little satisfied everyone else is like these intense battle sequences and stuff and she just stands there drinking I mean I will say one episode

she got to go she got to pretend like she was going to go to bed with your honor and have sex that was about it okay that was it yeah the rest of the time we're just standing looking out over the city going hmm

it's either we're all die or I'm going to rule it all that's true that's so good and the actress that plays Sarah C she actually gets crap on the street. People actually give her... For being Circe. They give her...

I bet. That's hilarious. I bet. And Jason, I found out something you're going to love. Because you always talk about Lord of the Rings and stuff like that. I read that one of the swords from Lord of the Rings is actually in the throne.

Are you serious? Who did that? Was that the two show creators? The show creators and the writer. George Aramar? Yes. No kidding. That was his. nod. That's so cool.

I was thinking that it was the horse at the end with Arya. Because doesn't, doesn't, don't they have some big horse at the end of Lord of the Rings? A special horse thing at the Lord of the Rings? There's a lot of horses in Lord of the Rings. I know, but the special white horse. I'm serious. Don't they have some Lord of the Rings special white horse at the end? You're the Lord of the Rings expert, not me.

Gandalf rides in on a white horse, but I don't, that's all I can remember. Okay. All right. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. but if you're listening to the podcast I'm just going to watch Lord at the ranks to know. Yeah, I know.

I was speaking of cameos, did you guys see that Aaron Rogers did a cameo? That was a small one. I mean, a real quick one, fast one. It seemed like,

uh, well, it seemed like, awful fast for it to be Aaron Rogers too. You know what I mean? He would have been worthy of more than that, I thought. So that means that he can't act.

I, well, not surprising. But I, so the cameos are kind of cracking me up. They had Ed Shearin a couple of seasons ago. Yeah. But Ed was a big one.

That's what I mean. Yeah. And he was there around the fire, had some lines. Yeah. He was the big one. Aaron Rogers. I mean, Aaron Rogers, Mr. NFL superstar.

We'll just let him run by the camera for a second and a half and then we're good, okay? I mean, you got nothing. Get him in, get him out. Right. What's that UFC fighter, Connor McGregor? He did a cameo. Yeah. There was a, I saw a big, I saw clips of all the cameos throughout the seasons.

And there was, I think there's one, who was it? There's one band that's been in a couple of times. Yeah, the Scottish band. Yeah, they've been on it a couple of times as different warriors and different fighters throughout the seasons, which is kind of fun. You know, it pisses me off? All the British cameos in Star Wars? I've probably gone off on this before, mostly because they just cast a bunch of British actors

and our freaking show. But then all of them get cameos. Like James Bond guy, Daniel Craig, did a cameo. I'm like, dude, get out of our show. In what? He was in Star Wars? Yeah. Yeah.

The Force Awakens. Who's in the Force Awakens? Wow. Yeah. I guess why, but we don't have an answer. Because they can. That's all. Because they can.

And, you know, look, some people in this room are upset with a lot of the United Kingdom actors and actresses portraying the characters. And does I even mention the Washington Dead? I want to go there. We'll be here all that. I'll go off all day. What? Do we have to have another tea party? Yeah.

We don't want them in our movies. Right. So funny. So we have Aria, you know, all of a sudden at the end, she gets the white horse and rides out, right? So what's her story arc? Does she, has her story arc now to kill the queen? Right? She still got to kill the queen.

Oh, that's kind of what I thought they were doing when she's kind of looking around or all the rubble and everything. I felt like they were leading her to go kill. Yeah, I mean, the, the trailer for next week gives her looking still. angry at what appears to be um denarius but you know who knows because look there's a lot of ground to cover right i mean you can't just while John Snow is

the guy um a lot of the people the unselli are still they're there for her they're not there for snow the rest of them maybe but i mean you saw how they acted when uh you know John said hey stop the bells are ringing and

a homeboy was like so Melisandra said that she would when she was listing off all the colored eyes that she would kill green eyes was one of them I was talking about this last night about the difference she changed it though right it did change it went from brown eyes blue eyes green eyes and then right before she killed the night king it was brown eyes green eyes blue eyes so blue eyes is denarius okay that's where I'm going with it but again we've thought a number of things that were supposed to happen because of prophecy and story arcs that all of that's gone the azora high stuff they completely blew across that i'm like good gosh and we do know we do know in plenty of you know one or two interviews of uh of martins that the books were going to be

different than than the show right but they they like they set it up in the show like having the comet, you know, oh, you know, when Danny DeNaris was, was it when she gave birth to the dragons or whatever? Yeah, the dragons were born and she went into that big fire. And then the sword in the Tower of Joy scene when he put this, when Ned Stark put the the sword right where Leonas Stark had just given birth. And it had the, it had the logo of the star, the meteor or whatever. It was obvious they were setting it up, you know, like, but they just, they haven't spoken

of it since. It was almost like that was just a hat tip to the fans just to. kind of give them something. Just a little Easter egg. Just as an Easter egg, yeah, from the book. It's just lazy. No, I agree. I had been binging all those theory videos,

and I was waiting for something really, you know, deep and cool, and I just was really disappointed with what we got with the Night King. That's why I'm like, I don't even want to, because there's tons of things that we could come up with right now. In the final episode, they'd be like, oh, this would be so cool if this happened. I guarantee you none of it's going to happen. It's going to be so vanilla and bland, we're going to be pissed off. People are saying for this episode that Drogan was going to have, you know,

armor, like maybe, like, maybe more dragons were going to show well. I heard that too, yeah. Like, how's are you going to get into the castle? Like, no, she just walks in. Yeah, she just walks in. And I tell us, get back to the battle a little bit with Drogon and the dragon. I mean, he's the hardest work and fight her round. I mean, that guy at the end of the day,

he puts in, he's got the highest count. He puts some work in. He's like, I mean, sooner or later, he's like, Denarius, I'm done. You can keep telling me I got to fly, but we're going over here for a little bit. I need a little drink. My union mandated 15 minute. Yeah.

I did like the way, you know, I found it fascinating how she came on to the battle and started destroying the ships and destroying the city from, you know, behind and so fast and on them from the side. That was pretty striking. That was a good battle plan on her part. Yeah. Suddenly she learned how to fly a dragon. Right.

And then suddenly the scorpions couldn't fire straight, you know. Well, it's very convenient. those two things happen at the same time. It was convenient, wasn't it? Can I hear? I mean, you ditch that first one pretty well. A little turn, well, he ditched it. Yeah.

So I heard a rumor that she also might be a dragon. Deneres? Yeah. I saw it somewhere and I didn't finish reading it because I got sidetracked. I'm telling you, anything, any kind of cool theory you can think of, you can just throw it right out the way. I think so, too. Because it's not going to happen. And can I, do you want to hear more reports in the leak zone?

Yeah, let's go. You want me to do that? Let's go. Before we get to that, I just want to leave you with just a couple of my favorite tweets from last night. One was at the end. Well, actually, these both were right at the very end. One was a tweet from Euphoria hit. So Brand sent an Uber for Aria to bring her back to Winterfell.

That was the Whitehorn. This is so good. And D&D really threw away all of Jamie's redemption arc. Danny's whole protector of the innocent storyline, Ariaseless assassin skills, brands three-eyed raven abilities, and all the hype around the Golden Company away in just one episode. Really?

I'm, yeah, I'm mine-in-law. I actually thought you wrote that. I know. This is exactly what I've been saying. Exactly. My favorite one's the poster of how to lose a guy in 10 days, but it's how to lose a fan base in 10 years, and it's their heads over the...

But see, they're not going to lose the fan base, right? The fan base is just... But they'll always have some arcs. The fan base just wants those story arcs to happen. And we expected more because just like when we were talked about, we expected all of this, you know, great things to happen. And they had to ram all of this into six episodes or decided to ram it all into six episodes, right?

And it just, you know, it's never going to be good enough. Yeah. It's never going to be good enough to get it all in. They still could have done better, though. Even with it condensed. You know what I mean? I agree. I agree.

But I, you know, overall, I think I still enjoyed the heck out of this episode. I enjoyed the show, sure. Yeah, I'm still, I still like watching it. I still look forward to watching it. I'm just disappointed that, like, that's how, this is how they're wrapping it up. And they're just not doing justice to some of the characters. There's storylines.

It's whatever. Okay, so leaks rushed. All of it seems rushed. Let's just get to the end. Yep, for sure. We just need to get there. So the leaks, every single one of the leaks that I've been talking about. And again, if you don't want to hear this, fast forward for another five minutes or whatever.

If you don't want to hear this. Like your ears. Whatever. But the leaks about, I was just reading a few of them, I think it was last week right after we had this podcast. And they were everything they had predicted for last episode came true. So everything and everything they predicted for this episode came true. So, I mean, predicted it right down to how they said that Uron and Jamie would fight. and they'd both mortally wound each other.

Boom, got that one. Okay. They predicted that, that Ray. all would die by the scorpions. They predicted that Jamie and Circe would die together when as Rubble came down on them. They predicted everything. Even the Clegane Bowl where they would both fight each other and dive into the into the fire, everything they predicted has come true. So they've got a pretty strong track record. Very strong. Now, someone's got some serious inside information. Right. So they're, they're leaking. Again, if you don't want to hear this, you don't

be spoiled, but they're leaking that Tyrion goes on trial and that there's a trial. In front of DeNaris. And that DeNaris has him killed and he's dead. So he dies. Well, she had said that if he betrays her one more time that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. It's the last time. They predicting that a grayworm and John square off in a one-on-one with John killing grayworm, which I really am looking forward to seeing that.

I'll take that. That'll be fun. That will be good. They're predicting that. There's the bad. that, you know, the queen has got, you know, the unseller. She's, she has to, we have to lose those for John to be king. Right. They're predicting that this is going to be a tough one to hear, but they're predicting that DeNaris asked for John's loyalty. He says that she's his queen.

She turns around. He stabs her, kills her. Stabs her in the back, I believe. See, they say that she, and as they said, it's a really emotional scene where she starts crawling away and she touches the iron throne. and that's the last thing. She says that Drogon, for some weird reason, doesn't kill John.

John's a Targary? I guess maybe. I don't know. But then Drogon takes... Or he's all fired out. He's like, you killed me a couple days ago with this whole fire thing. I can't even get the fire going again. I just got to burn in a city for you.

I'm done. Sheesh. But apparently Drogon takes an heiress's body and they fly off and never be seen again. Which is very anticlimactic again for me. But then they say that, John goes back up north. Yeah, that's what we predicted here last week to, and I believe that. I believe that to happen.

I'm out of here. And they say he takes the black again at the wall, which I don't even know why you need the wall anymore, because there's no white walkers left. So that doesn't make any sense to me. You don't even need Castle Black anymore. He might do it out of, you know, because he stabbed his queen, you know,

so he just has to hang out there at the wall. With the criminals, that's the self-posed. We're right. Well, no, like, there just is no Knights Watch anymore. He's just like, I'm up here. I'm the Knights Watch. I'm in trouble. But I thought the wall was destroyed, right?

Yeah. Well, part of it was, but if there's no Night King, why do we need a wall? Right. It doesn't make sense. I figured he would go, you know, he's going to end up with the wildlings, right? That's what, yeah, right. Go live up with them. That would have been more satisfying than him taking the black again at the wall.

Or go spend his days in the spring wishing the redhead was still alive. Right. I'll just hang out here wishing maybe she'll show up. His real life white, in real life white. Yeah. you were also saying that somebody had leaked that they might have to go deal with with the Knight King again or he has some way to come back

and like that would have been cool but I guess that's not what they're saying no no and that and that was a completely different leaker that said that and then the final one that leaker doesn't even know what he's talking about Dylan what are you what's hilarious is there's spreadsheets of the of these leakers and they're comparing their record their track record and they found I know and they're saying okay this one is this so this guy's full of crap this guy's full of crap

And there's this one that has nailed every single one. He's the one that just says, uh, look. It's absolutely insane. And these are the leaks from this one guy right now. So guess who you think? Who do you think it becomes the king? We now have DeNaris dead. We have John gone.

Who do you think it becomes the king? Brand. Or queen. Brand. Are you? Why do you say that? Brand's the last sole survivor of the Stark's, right? That's what the leaker says will become king.

He's the last male. Why would the three-eyed raven become king? He's because he wants for nothing, right? He wants for nothing. He's the guy. he's seen it all and he's the last of the stark bloodline, last male, except for John, you know, except for John. That's just barfola to me.

But John is not stark bloodline. Because, right, and Circe will have the north. Circe he'll have the north. What's this say happens? I'd be fascinating to see what happens to Arias. Does she just go off? You meant Sanza. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sonsa.

I'm sorry. That's what I was hoping that would happen, though. I really wanted the North to have him to. pendants. Yeah. That still can happen. And so, Brian gives that.

I think it will the way, you know, Sanzo was just like, we are not giving it up. Sorry. Yeah. And so, and Brand gives her that, right?

Brian says, you're on your own. Have a nice day. Man, if this is true. That's kind of disappointing, though. I'm with you on that.

But. Wait, did they say how Aria died? Yeah, that's where I was getting at is what happens to her. They didn't mention Aria at all.

So, who knows? I'm still going with her sitting on the throne, peeling off a face. I like, the idea of aria killing deniers i don't like the idea of john killing her i think i think if aria kills her with john there i think we i'm okay you know john's like yeah okay no no don't try's to stop her

but don't put the knife in her heart okay he's like well i didn't stab her myself right but the realm is a lot better off what do you think the line sticker with the pointing and comes back up week. 80 minutes is going to be a long one. Hopefully it won't be too Game of Throne, boringish or boorish. I hope not. I don't want it to be boring at all.

So do you agree with the leaks? Are you there, Amber? Are you there with the leaks? Any last thoughts? Come back to me. I don't know. Dylan. Those leaks sounds correct for, you know,

how the season's been going. Right. You know, if you're telling me this in season five, I'd be like, no way. But yeah, no, that sounds about right. I will say Varis was my favorite character since season one, and I was just really disappointed to see him go. He was the Batman.

He was the one who cared about the people. Yeah, he always cared about the people. That was his main concern, although, you know, there were a few things that he did wrong. Well, I agree with you, but he still, I liked him a lot. I was sad to see him. Yeah, it was a good character. No question.

And that's why I kind of thought that he might make it through this at the, at the beats. Maybe, you know, maybe somebody speaks up for him, but, nah. He's not important. No, it was more of, I'm going to kill various, but that's a slap in John's face. Like, you should have kept your mouth shut, bro. Yeah. I'm back to you.

We know Jason believes in the league, so 100%. It could be bull crap. It really could be. But it's scary, the track record that's, they've got, this guy's gotten right. So he's called, he nailed this episode. So, but it could be, like I said, literally full of crap. Maybe he knew about last episode, doesn't know about this final episode. Who knows?

If this is true, it's the. worst storywriting I've ever seen apart from the early days of fear of the walking dead. Because they got lazy. I think they got lazy, but yeah and no. I really honestly think that I'm rooting for ARIA.

I'm all team Aria. That's my girl. I'm going with her on the throne. Santa has the north. John just goes his little pouty way. You know, but I think he flies out on a dragon. Oh. Because

just the dragons were gone for a month. How do we know there's not new ones? That's what a lot of people were saying. When she was at with the Dothraki, what season was that? I don't know what season, but yeah, Drogon just flew off.

And no one knew where he was at. Right. Yeah. So he was off taking care of dragon business. Yeah. They're asexual in this world, so they just lay eggs. So it's very positive. In the documentary.

The documentary. It's a national geographic, I believe. The documentary, Jurassic Park. life will find a way. And so then there was one. And thanks for listening to Talking Thrones. Don't forget to subscribe to Chewing the Fat with yours truly Jeff Fisher. So you'll be alerted when Talking Thrones comes up and we'll see you all here next week.