Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E6 | Game of Thrones

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

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Season 8, episode 6 of the Game of Thrones, titled The Iron Throne. Yes, the final season, the final episode. We're going to cover it all. What happened? What could have happened? What should have happened? All of this talking throne. All right, we'll get to it.

We'll get to it. If I let this whole thing run, it'll be another eight minutes before the whole open music plays. and it will be, you know, will be calmed out into it. So, welcome to Talking Thrones with myself, Jason Butchrell, and Amber Fisher. Eight years, 73 episodes. You know, this last night's episode was, you know, in the aftermath of the devastating attack on Kings Landing. She's got to face the survivors. You heard it here last week.

Bran was going to take the throne. And hello. brand the broken takes this her own now before i for i let you guys go on your hate wandering uh just let's say take a second and just look back at the episode you knew what to expect from what happened in the other five episodes you knew what was going to happen by listening to the podcast and know what was going to happen how they were going to try to wrap it up um and so that you know, some of the things that we glossed over, that we just got to the end without worrying about some of the other stuff was, you knew it was going to happen.

So you should have just kind of, yeah, we're back and enjoyed the episode for what it was, the final episode. And I don't think you did that. I don't think you guys did that, did you? Jason. Jeffie, I expected, I watched last night's episode just looking for a discrepancy in the leaks. I was like, please, let one leak be wrong. So maybe the ending won't be as bad as what was, what they, you know, told us it would be.

But as every single leak started matching line by line by line. I knew we were screwed. So I stopped taking notes on the episode. And I started writing down plot points that completely, they completely abandoned. Just abandoned. Yeah, just went away. Just abandoned. I know.

I expect, like you said, you expected to, you know, that things weren't going to work out. Sure, but I expect the writers to show somewhat a little bit, just a little bit of competency. Just a little bit of competency. But they failed. Absolutely failed horribly. This was the worst written finale and probably entire season that they've ever done. And I looked on Rotten Tomatoes last night. It was around 50%, which is awful for Rotten Tomatoes.

The entire season is only around 70%, which is the absolute lowest they've ever gotten. They're usually around the, like, 9%. 95% for all the others. And this final season has been the biggest numbers they've gotten, too. I mean, which I get. You know, like, yeah. Like, so the more people are watching it and more people are pissed off with it. Yeah.

And I made a joke on the pre-stream about people upset wanting, you know, for them to redo the whole season with better writers. We've signed a petition. Oh. Oh, okay. You've signed a petition. Well, then we'll do that. Fine. Yeah.

come on so quick before we start going you know scene by scene and talking about what we what we enjoyed Amber are you gonna you're on the you're on the beat up side too yeah all right go ahead it was just I don't know it was boring there was no emotion to anything not not even took care of DeNaris. Was it, was it boring because you were spoiled or was it boring just, would you would have been bored regardless if you didn't know? I'd have been bored regardless. Okay.

Interesting. I mean, I was exhausted when I started watching the show and I kept thinking halfway through it. I'm like, I just need to go to sleep. I'm bored. I was just disappointed that I would just, you know what I mean? That's the way they did it. You know what?

Have you, do you guys watch Westworld? A little bit. Yeah. Westworld one is awesome. Season one. Westworld season two completely jumped the song. Yeah. Yeah, and the reason being is because, you know, it was such a cultural phenomenon like Game of Thrones.

So it was getting to that level. Yes, it was. But there was all these fan theories that started coming out, like, ooh, what's going to happen next? Ooh, I think this is, you know, and they are starting to pull in all these crazy theories. And I think the creators hit this trap. They got to a point to where they were like, you know what, we need to outsmart the fans. And we need to come up with a theory that they haven't thought of yet. So this was literally, this was so off base, so off kilter that I think that they looked at all the fan theories and said, we got to one up this.

So, like, what's the one thing that they didn't guess? Brand becomes king. John kills Daeris and then runs off to the north. Like, no one saw that coming. So they were like, screw it. Let's just go with that. I think they let the fans push them. We did see that coming.

Yeah, we did. Right. That's the thing. We did see that coming. This season. Yeah. But keep in mind, this has been written for a while now. Correct.

And the other thing is, too, that I read was the writer of the books. He gave them the outline. Yeah. And then walked away. Right. He said, this is where we're going to end up. This is where we're going to end up. And here's your characters.

But how you get there is up to you. Yeah. And so they were left on their own to their own devices. And that's where you end up losing some of the characters. And we can talk about that as we go through? Can I add to that? But that should scare the crap out of you. If you're one of the people like on Twitter last night that were saying,

wow, now I can't wait to read the books so that I can get the ending that I wanted. I don't think you're going to get the ending that you wanted. wanted because George Aramarton Martin. Yeah, he gave them the major plot points. That's where we he got to the end. He said this is where we're going. How you get there is the problem. Right. I mean, that's what I was that's what I was disappointed in was the how we got there. Right. You know, because the whole, you know, for, for instance, the, uh, uh, Tyrion talks John into, uh, taking, uh, Dinerius down. All right? So he talks him into that. But then, it's like they have this big meeting at the end.

We don't know how they got everybody back to King's Landing. You know, John's in jail for getting rid of Denarius. Tyrion is talking them into who's going to be king. Not one word about John. They jumped a month. Not one word about John being king. He's the reason that this all happened. He's the air.

And that's one of the plot points that I wrote down that they didn't do. Not a single one of them mentioned that he was Agon-Higarian. That one. What about all the notes that Varus was sending out to tell all these people and let them know? Like they completely abandoned that. Right. All the, and I think every single person sitting there, maybe besides a few of them, knew who John was. I think so too.

But no one mentioned it. It was insane. How can you not? She didn't mention it. You know, the siblings didn't mention it. And if anybody to come forward, they were. would have. Antirian should have mentioned it too. So what was the point of the whole he's Agon Targaryen? I don't know. Nick, Nick, welcome to Talking Thrones. How are you? Hello, Nick.

I will damn you, Nick. Call it. I hope a dragon burns you to death. Be nice. Okay, hello, Nick. Hey, I got cut off. Sorry about that. Okay. Then I apologize. for saying I hope a dragon burned you. What's up? Why, the way Circe and Jamie died was really, really,

really, really lame. Yes. Agreed. You agreed? Agreed? My biggest theory that I was telling people was like,

all right, no, they didn't die like that. There's no way they died like that. They're going to crawl out of the rubble with their three good hands and they're going to be like, oh,

hey stab are you right and I agree with you Nick but you know as we talked about last week here is that if it was any other season that probably would be true yeah but they had to wrap it up right I mean you had to they had to wrap up the season they had to wrap everything up in a bow no matter what no matter how they got there well because they were at the end right they said they decided that hey we're going to be this is the end and we've got to wrap everything up so as we just talked about a little bit before you came on the line is that, you know, Martin said, hey, this is where everything is going. This is where we're going to add up. How you get there is your own business. So that's why so many things were left unanswered is because they just,

they had to get like he's leaving it up to the audience to interpret how we got there. Isn't that the show's job? No, how the writers, what the writers did. Well, yes, the audience expected the, expected the the people to wrap it up and the writers didn't right they said okay well we're going to get here and yeah never mind the stuff in the middle that's fine we're already there never mind and so that's why you're so frustrated at least i am anyway with the way things ended what was your most frustrating moment of last night uh mine well one was that uh surcy and jamie and jami died the way they didn't and didn't survive two probably that uh probably that nothing happened with with Drogon and John.

Like I thought that he was going to be the one that took everything over. That was the last we saw. I thought that he was going to like mount, like since there was technically no throne left, he melted the throne with his fire breath. Hop on a take, I'm the man in charge.

Yeah. Yes. Mount me, man. I'm a dragon. He's a Targaryen. One who can rides the dragons. But why wouldn't Drogon just take out John? That didn't make any sense.

Because he's a Targaryian, right? Nick, thank you very much for calling. I appreciate it, man. and take care and I appreciate you listening and I appreciate you participating. That was the deal, right, is that he's not going to kill John because he's a Targaryian and he knows that he rides the dragons and he knows that he's the man. But book is, that's not factual in the book. Like in the books, Targaryians fight each other, mounted on dragons.

So just because he's a Targaryen doesn't mean he's off limits. He can still be taken out by a dragon. They have affinity with the dragons and they share an affinity. But if there's an enemy Targaryen, then in the books historically, they've taken out the other people that are fighting against their Targaryen. So I guess the writers forgot to read that part. I guess. I don't know.

Like that scene, that was an interesting scene because I was like, okay, we knew what was going to happen because we had already. Yeah, it's the same thing. This entire scene we had already talked through. But you know that the writers wanted to like, it's almost like they wanted to do something different or something like that and change their mind. I don't know. It's like it just didn't make any sense.

I don't know. I was okay even up to that. I was okay even up to that. What through me really was afterward was the, really? I mean, he's just, we're just going to, we're gray worm's going to throw him in prison and he's not going to be the king. He's not the one that takes over. Yeah.

Really? And they didn't even show that. They didn't show gray worm. Like the original leak said that John goes and turns himself in. I guess that got cut and they didn't show that part. Okay. Yeah, well, gray worm was out there, right? I mean, he passed him going in.

Yeah. When he came up and ran into the dragon under all the ash, who's a good little dragon? You are. I got to go in and see, I got to go in and see her. Who are you? Talk about it. And Great one was being such a douche, man. Oh, he was hungry.

But again, that was the deal, right? They were fighting for her. And for sure, that was a big deal, which is why I like Nick's idea. I don't mind that where he, you know, Johnson just hopped on, said, you're mine now. Yeah. I'm the king. But then even if we don't do that, even if they, you know, he takes, he takes scenarios and flies off into the happy sunset where they can go be sad together in the islands.

No one sticks up for John and says, he's the guy. Yeah, sorry, she's dead, but that had to be done. He's the king now. It's because they all, they all got selfish at that moment. They all wanted, they all got what they all wanted, except for John. You notice that? Yep. Yeah.

Sonsa got exactly what that conniving little chival. little chick wanted. Oh yeah, Queen of the North. Queen of the North. She wanted to be the power. She wanted the whole kitten caboodle because she even said, Brand doesn't want it.

Yeah, right? She was quick to go. He doesn't want it. She like, right from the beginning, she's wanted to be the monarch. She was always jealous of John when that happened. She wanted to be the monarch

and she wanted the North completely separate. That's one when they changed it to Defender of the Six realms because now the North is not counted as one of the seven. Correct. She got everything and more out of this. And this goes back to the

first episode when they're talking about going to Kings Landing and she's like, but Daddy, I want it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It goes right back to her little whining. She always wanted to be the queen. Always wanted to be. Oh, man.

She was born for that. And then Tyrion got what he wanted. Right? I mean, he's free. He's going to be the hand, which he's in charge. Right? He's got the handicapped king who's going to go fly off as the three-eyed raven from time to time and look for him.

a dragon. Okay. And while he does that, Tyrion's in charge. Okay. So plot point number two, that doesn't make any sense. So in the previous part,

was that episode one or two of this season, Bran was like, I don't want to be king of the North. I'm the three-eyed raven. I don't want to be king. Yes. But all of a sudden, he wants to be king of the entire realm.

Maybe that was part of his vision. Yeah, he saw it. The one that he took off while the war was happening. And Winterfell. Oh, when he went bird watching? Yeah. Yeah. The other birds told him, hey, this is the way it's got to be.

But I'm not surprised he picked Tyrion because if you go back to how Tyrion treated him since he was pushed by Jamie, you know, with the saddle, starting with the saddle of how to build a saddle for a handicapped person, always treated him normal. Not like he was broken. Speaking of Jamie, I mean, the Kingslayer, and he was dedicated to being the king. He was killing the king before the king became king. or trying to kill the king. Exactly. It was so,

it was, I felt like if it was in the other season, like we said, they would have still been alive. Because Tyrion, you know, just stumbles downstairs where he knows they're going to be,

hoping they're still alive, climbs through the rubble. And there they are, and their little womb altogether. That was probably the most emotional out of the whole episode. Which part? Yeah, when Tyrion found Jamie and Serzy.

Oh, yeah, yeah. He, he, Inglidge is the star of this series. Oh, come on. He, acting wise, far, he's leagues away from everybody else. Yeah. He's so good.

He's one of my all-time favorite actors, I think. Straight up. I love watching him and stuff. Yeah, he's done a great job. So we have, uh, so I found it, you know, we'll back up a little bit and we'll, we'll go to afterward and we're finally, uh, we're coming down in, uh, the queen is, you know, talking to her, talking to her warriors after she's burned the city

and she's on top of the rubble that was pretty good I did enjoy that where she was saying hey that's where you found out no John you know she's going to burn down the world when she said from Winterfell

to Dorn She's going to burn down the world I was like Winterfell? I know I know That's where she totally lost it That's where she got the knife

from John, right? I mean, there was no way that... And John wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt so badly, you could tell. He was like... Just showing him, we have enough. Yeah, just show some remorse. Mercy. Show some remorse and show you're willing to give mercy.

And he would have been sold, I think, at that point. Yep. But she did not give an inch. And then, you know, he goes to see Tyrion in jail after Tyrion throws his hand pin down because he let his brother go. That was good. Yeah, that was really good. He had talks him into killing her.

and Tyrion talks him into it For what? At the end He's even saying I don't even You know Was it worth it? Because I got nothing out of it

We all got something John So screw you Hop on your horse And go back to the north Yeah I mean he fed him that You know the love is the That was a good line

Love is the death of duty Yeah And he's like duty is sometimes The death of love You just think of that? Yeah I know And then so pushing him into this Like this is your duty

To do this This is your duty to take it for the team basically and get completely screwed over. What an awful ending for a character that's been, you like didn't know, like the first season, you thought it was Ned Stark. We found out that he's not the main character, tragically. Yeah, no kidding.

Then going forward, you're like, okay, maybe it's John, maybe it's Danny, and that's who you're falling the entire time. And then you find out at the end that all of that was wrong. I don't, I guess, like, I don't know. It's just like, it's not even a good surprise. If it was a good surprise that have been all about it, but it's such a lame surprise, I guess.

Like I said, emotionless. No emotion. What is like, let me, I guess it's so hard for me not to rant on and on and on about the writing of this, but like the stuff that they teased that they never got around to. Like, okay, last episode with the Aria and the White Horse. Yes. What was the point of that now? She walked out. She walked out, right?

I was, I was, there's a, I go, where's the horse? I mean, did you only pay for the Uber halfway that were through the city? I don't understand. But they were setting up like on the pale horse. I thought like Arias, you know, to kill. Four horsemen of the apocalypse. Death rides on a pale horse. So where'd that go?

Why even do it if you're not going to pay it off? Because it was a good ending. And then it was just like, I will start someplace else. The what? The Red Witch Prophecy. What was that? The Green Eyes, Blue Eyes. Yeah, right, right, right, right.

They never finished that. That's another one. I forgot about that. Do I even do it? Why say it? I mean, I'm going to say it right now. This is now Game of Crows because it was a total murder. That's good.

I was calling a game of trash last night because that's the only that I get thinking. All right. Dude, what about last season? What about the baby that they kept teasing over and over and over again for DeNaris and John? They kept teasing again. Yeah, they did. Remember at the Dragon Pit when he was like, maybe that witch, you know, you can't have children? Come on.

mentioned the children at least two or three times. So everyone knew that was just going to be a plot point. They never even approached it again. And there were some teasers that she was pregnant this season, but it was just never, it went away. It's just gone. See, it's because I'm telling you, I bet the fans were like all on that.

And then the show creator's like, oh, we've got to do a Game of Thrones twist. You know, we've got to change this up a little bit. Okay, we may guess everything, but don't change things. Because now you made it boring. They let the fans, they always say like their big thing on, like the petition is like, you know, fans don't get to tell us, you know, what, you know,

we do. I think the fans led them down a certain path. So the fans basically called all the cool theories. Then the writers are like, well, crap. Now I don't know what to do. Well, maybe they should have went that way. And just really won up the theatrics of it. I mean, it was nice to see after, you know, when she finally went, Denarius finally walked into the, you know, into the room that wasn't a room anymore. She destroyed it. But the throne was still there. And she finally got She just added a skylight, man. She got to touch it, you know. I mean, she was, that was her throne, man.

Remember she had dreamt about it? The throne kept, she never could reach it quite. You know, it was just out of reach, and that was her dream. And it was getting there. And then she finally reached out. I mean, that was a powerful moment for her to have that throne there. That was hers now. Yeah.

And I like the dialogue that followed up, you know, the, when she was a kid, you know, thousand swords could only count the 20 type thing. Yeah. See, that stuff was good. But the whole tragedy with the whole DeNaris thing is, you know, we all love that character. Right. You know what I mean? And there was so much like development towards that character.

And this just did not fit. Yes, they foreshadowed this and a few things. But you can't go from, oh, my best friend just got decapitated to I am completely crazy at this point. Just immediately, oh my gosh, I'm crazy. You know, to where I will kill a million people, women and children. It made no sense. But you watched her losing it. You watched her snobled.

nap as she sat on the wall sitting on top of the dragon looking at the red keep and just getting angrier and angrier until she just snapped and killed a million people it happens it's a woman come on it happens that's no question about that i don't know i don't know i there was this there was too much stuff for me it was rushed this whole season was rushed to fit into six episodes I looked at him last night and went, wait a minute, number six. I thought it was number eight. Yeah. I thought there were eight episodes.

Oh, you know what? You know, actually, you know what I wrote down on that? I remember back in season four, remember back in season four when Drogon, the dragons were eating everything and Drogon accidentally killed, or no, not accidentally, Drogon killed a little girl back when they were in Marine over there. Yeah. So that was, that was the catalyst for her to say, she was horrified. And she was like, oh, my gosh.

So she chained Viserion and Rhaegar down in those dungeons. Oh, the catacombs. Because of that. Yeah, that's why. You're right. And I was like, she went from being horrified that one little girl died to slaughtering tens of thousands of little girls. Exactly. Yeah, but they were just part of the city.

They were part of Circe's city. They had to be done with them. Right. And especially when Grey Worm had all the soldiers on their knees. Oh, another great seat. Because, him and John got into it. Right.

I thought they were going to see it. Because I read somewhere that they fight. But I guess they just interpreted the whole grabbing his arm. I don't know. I thought John would just kill him right there. But he had, he had, Gray Room had all his guys there with him, you know?

That would have been good. That would have been great. It would have been really good. But again, okay, so then we get to that point. But at no point after he kills Denarius, do we get he's the rightful heir? Everyone, I sleep in jail.

We sleep in jail. It's ours now. We got it. Don't worry about it. We got everybody here. He's in jail. We're good. Rightfully, shh.

Shh. Don't say anything. So now he's just the forgotten king. So the only point of even revealing who he was was just in the end, ultimately, just to have the conflict between DeNaris and John. Yeah. That's the only purpose it served. That's it. That's it.

I'm sorry. Sorry, that's piss poor. And still to the end, she thought he loved her. Well, he did. He did, but she just kept trying to pull him in and he was just like, nope. I mean, and she knew that the reason, and that's another thing, she knew that, I mean, that's why she respected him because he was a man of his principal. You know, he did not back down.

You know, he had a certain set, he had a code and he walked that code, you know, in a very straight line. And then all of a sudden she assumed that he would just abandon that code and they would go and kill and pillage and go crazy on the world, killing millions. Again, that does not make sense. Does not make sense. My still, the thing that really, I don't know, just kind of irked me the most was there at the end.

As we, as we've gone through all this, then we end up getting to, you know, we get into the, you know, the meeting of the states, you know, all the representatives. Best scene, best scene of the episode. Representatives, when they're all there. In fact, there's another scene that in that scene when all the representatives are there, we have another continuity issue in that scene.

Are you aware of that? Oh, you're thinking of a different scene. So you're talking about the trial scene when Tyrion's brought out in the handcuffs. Yes. Right. Right. Okay. I was thinking of a different scene.

Yes, I am aware of that. I saw that. Where there's bottled water. Yes. On the set. On the set, right behind Sam's leg. I wish, and I'm really bummed that, you know, it was, you know, the coffee cup was a food services cup, but Starbucks owned it right away.

Yeah. I wish, like, that, you know, Sam's Club would have said, hey, that's a members mark purified water bottle. You can get those at Sam's Club every day. Especially since they found out how much free advertising money Starbucks got. Right. What was it, like, $4 million? There should have been, I mean, Poland Springs, anybody, any water company should have owned that right now.

There's going to be, like, some backroom dealing in some of these, like, really popular shows. You know, like, I don't know. Just turn them into Easter eggs. Like tide pods or something like that. Hey, could you actually have like a tide thing like right behind the counter? It's so, it's what's so bad about that is that? I mean, what are they trying to be hallmark with just product placement? Yeah.

Without commercial? Yeah. I wish they were. But, you know, you could buy this crossbow at R.E.I. The. Cabela's on. I really find it strange that that's twice in the last two episodes. or last three episodes where we have a big issue with a shot a scene that has something in it that

shouldn't be there and that's it's just another way of them saying we just get just get it over with yeah we're just done phoned it in we're just done yeah you're fine you're fine no we're fine there's a water boat yeah whatever nobody's gonna notice no it takes too much to cut it out and it really doesn't take that much to cut it out but we didn't see it because we didn't look because we didn't care And the show's been known for great writing that went out the door this season and great attention to detail that went out. How horrible is it? You go out like that. You go out like that?

I know. Wow, you're not sounding like a fanboy right now. Well, just let me down. The water bottle really let me down. Because I get one, I get one where you got a lot. You missed one. Okay, I got it. Now we're looking at six episodes and you have two, two things that really stand out.

your audience like you didn't care? Yeah. That hurt. Yeah. That hurt. Now that scene. Let's go. Then we'll get back to that scene.

They're all there. We don't even address how they all got there, why they're there. Sansa said she was never going to go there again. But there she is. We have, we got. Oh, and they also said that they would never lead. They always had to have one stark back in Winnerfell. Nope.

They're all there. Completely blew that plot point. Completely blew it. Right. I'm sorry But you had Then you had We brought in

What's his name? Sam No not Sam Who's the Who's the kid that's the That ended up breastfeeding From his mother He was there

Sweet Robin was there As the older guy It was good to see it They're all there I guess they're all there They're all there making decisions And not one And we talked about it earlier

In the podcast But not one person mentions John Snow Yeah Are you freaking kidding me. I know. That's absolutely. He's the guy. He was the guy that we went all through this for. We had the Edmund Tully guy stand up and give his little start to give his speech. You know, I can be king. I'm here going to be king.

Uncle, sit down. It was so funny. And not one person in the world thought, yeah, no, he could be king. Yeah, not happening. I don't know. Nice try. Just go ahead and sit back down. I love to, I actually really like that because you could see he like, started looking around and he's like, dude, this is my shot. This is it. You got to take it. Right? You got to take it.

If nobody says anything, I could make it. Go for it. I'll regret it the rest of my life if I don't say anything. Go for it. Because I could have been king. Now is my chance. That was my chance. Okay.

So, I got this. No, you don't. No, he don't sit out. And once Sonsa told him to sit down, he like staring at her and all that. And she just nods her head and he's like, okay. He'll get me the legs back to the seat. And then he thumps on the thing. He's the old sword.

Oh, that's great. Really good. So then we get back to, you know, so then we decide, right? John, Brand the Broken is the one that's going to be in charge. He's the king. He's the man. Because he has a great story. That was his rationale.

Well, that's Tyrion is selling it for him, right? He's the one comes out ahead. Peter Dinklage with an amazing monologue. Oh, yeah, of course. It was great. Two or three of them were great. But, yeah, he did a great delivery, but just idiotic. premise because everybody there had a great story pretty much.

I mean, actually, Sonsa probably had the best story there. Besides maybe Tyrion. Tyrion had a great story. Sonsa had a great story. She was sent off to be the queen. She should have been the queen, but then everything spiraled out of control. Her father. Witness her father being beheaded.

She gets sold off to Ramsey Bolton. Well, first married to Tyrion. Right, married to Tyrion. Okay, so no. Her story is miles ahead of. brand at this point. Brand what? He fell out of a building.

You can commute with trees. Shut up. That's stupid. He can commute the trees. He flies with ravens. And yeah, you can fly and you go birdwatching with ravens. Shut up.

Who cares? Somebody glued a third eye on his head. Get out of here. So good. So then we have, I know what meeting you're talking about now. You're talking about the meeting of the city council now. That was one of my favorite scenes of the show.

That was a good scene. And it was interesting that you see, and come in and sit at the hand chair. You know, that's his dad's chair, right? I mean, that was the dad's chair, man. And he sat down and it was really telling when he sat down. He got what he wanted. He sat down and he realized, these chairs are crooked.

I got to straighten up. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure, if I remember right, there was at least one time and maybe two, when they show the dad doing that. Oh, really? The chair's up around that table. No kidding. They show the dad doing the same thing.

We're straightening up those chairs. Pushing them all in, making them all straight. Yeah. that was when I think that was about the time that Aria was his little house girl you know when he left and then he came back to be the hand but Aria was his house girl for a while back at their home

I think it was around that time anyway it was just you know he was doing the same thing but again you see how everyone got again how they got everyone got what they wanted so like Everyone except John Thank you Braun got what he wanted He got High Garden

And he's in charge of the The coin. So yeah, the richest kingdom in the realm. The richest kingdom, plus he's in charge of all the money. So he's the man. He's living large. He's just under brand as far as power is concerned pretty much in this, which is insane. Well, yes and no.

And what's the first thing he wants to rebuild? Well, the brothels. Oh. I mean, he's got to have a place for guys to relax after they've been working. There's no doubt about that. I'm kind of with them on that. Priorities. I am too.

Yeah, I want them on that. You can't ask these guys to work so hard and then I have a place to go. They're going to get new ones. Deneers burned them all. I know. Do some far off recruiting. Yeah, no kidding. Well, that's what he was saying, right?

Tyrion was making the joke at the end where he built, where he had a brothel underground, right? Remember in the, in the, in the taverns. So, I mean, he just do that again. We'll start there. But, but, uh, Brian is, uh, head of the Knights Guard, which I thought was really cool. Yeah. And, uh, Padrick Knighted. And, and Padrick was knighted, but then, you know, Brienne was head of the guard.

But I thought she wasn't going to leave Sata. that's what I thought too because I was like she had promised the mom to always watch over her children so we don't know how we ended up getting so she's watching over did she say children her daughters wasn't her daughters because because technically she's watching over one of her children brand oh that's true I'll have to check that see if it was her daughters or was her children but anyway that's good tweet that out later Yeah, that's true. But also, what's his name?

What's the... Sam. So he became a maister, which is what he always wanted. He's a grandmaister. Always, that's what he always wanted. And we got the headmaster of ships. I'm failing on his name. The other guy.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He should be John's advisor. Yeah, he was John's advisor, big whoop. How am I forgetting his name? Insane. All right. So talking about the grandmaister, I'm sorry. How sad is it that we had a complete plug?

of the book. Yeah. Song of fire and ice. It actually did have a product placement. It was another product placement. It's like, here, here's the book. That we're writing. And I called that a while back,

but I said it was going to happen differently. Remember, I thought it was going to be like the show, the epilogue was going to be him writing the book. And he would close it and say a song of ice and fire. That's what I thought was going to happen. Pretty close though. And Terry not mentioned it at all. Oh, that'd hurt.

And then we saw, We saw Brianne writing Jamie's story. Yeah. That hurts. You see the X writing your story? I don't want that. My ex would have written different things about me, I think. Okay.

My entry. I'll write your story, babe. Well, you're not my ex, baby. But, you know, if that were to happen. If that were to happen. I don't want them writing. That's fine. No, I got it.

Don't worry about it. I wish they would have shown her entry in that. That kind of disappointed me. I thought she was going to turn in and it was going to be supery and a tar. That would have been cool. Yeah, it would have been. Anyway, I'm just asking for way too much. But again, right.

I mean, we're asking for way too much because we already do and we already discussed that some of the things that would have been really cool to have happened and play out weren't going to play out because it was the last season. It was last shows. And we got to wrap it up and tie it up, ship it off. Okay. Can we get to Aria? Sure.

Let's get to Aria. Seriously. she became the Columbus of Westerfield. She's going to see what's out west. She's going to see what that was, but she's got the badass Winterfell ship. Oh, that was awesome. I love the boat. I mean, they commissioned the Winterfell ship off to go with her, no problem.

The big giant Winterfell sails and that we're off to go. And again, that's not in the canon. That's not factually correct either. Someone has sailed west and gone all the way around the world. It had to have, right? It had to have. It's happened. Yeah.

And it's mentioned. In fact, I think the purpose. The person that found DeNaris's eggs was the one that did the big sale around. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. What's his face?

Yes. Thank you. Again, they weren't paying attention or they forgot. They were just not paying attention. They probably just weren't paying attention when they wrote it. But I've noticed multiple fans point that out. And I'm like, dude, you got to be kidding me with this stuff. Right.

I know, it's tough. It's tough to take. Looks out. I'm trying to be a fan boy. Trying hard to be a fan boy. It's hard. Just enjoy the episode. but we've come to expect so much more.

I think that's the problem, right? We came to expect so much more. And to have it just thrown up and saying we've got to wrap it up and don't worry about what we disregard because that's just the way it is. That's tough to take. And banishing John to the Knights Watch again, you know, no children, no family.

But, you know, when he arrives, of course there's Giant Spain, which was like, okay, and ghost? And then he just takes up. We got to go see with him. He petted him. Is everybody happy? Finally.

And then they just leave, right? It looked like he was just abandoned him. It was just like he can only spend so much money on the CGI. Okay, that's it. Don't worry about, don't worry about the, if he's got to pet him, we're not fixed in the ear. He's just too much money. So he was ordered to take up the black at Castle Black on the wall. But he said, he looks like he's just abandoned it, right?

He said screw that. He took the crowd. He made sure the gate was closed and I'm out. I didn't know how to take that, whether he was being belliger. or whether that was just kind of a given that there's nothing to protect. There's no Knights Watch. There's nothing to protect on the world. So what are you going to do?

Or was he just leading them back so he could find another Redhead. He could say that he was rangering, I guess. He was out rangering for the Knights Watch. An indefinite rangering. It's not a lot of, it's been a while since I've been back there. Nobody's really looking for me. I'm fine right here.

He's going to go look for another wildling chick. And I don't blame him. You know, really, let's think critically here. What did we really expect John was going to do? We knew that he didn't want the crown. No, but we did. We talked about him, at least, I feel like he should have, the crown should have been his to give away.

And then for him to leave. That would have been so much better. For him to leave. Yeah. The crowd is mine to give away and I'm going, you know, and then I'm leaving. Or I don't want it, but it's mine. Yeah. And it's my, I am the blood.

that's mine. I don't want. Here you go. And then we get to whoever to be king. If you want to give it to the brand, fine. He, you know, walks over and sets it on Brand's head and says, I'm out. Whatever. But that wouldn't have been fine because that still goes against all, every other plot line they've had this. Okay.

But let's stop before we even just, before he, whoever, prior to who becomes king, it should have been his to give. To give. Yeah, yes. Totally agree. I would have been more satisfied with that regardless of you get. But yeah, but the they did it was just such a slap in the face.

Of all of it. Of all of it. And I guess in a perfect ending, they would have had John, DeNaris doesn't go crazy. They win the battle against Searcy. You know, Aria or Jamie kills Searcy, something like that. Or just even, they get off on the boat and just sail away never to be seen again and have a little baby. And they kind of just over there somewhere. Who, I don't know.

I wanted Searcy to die. Oh, well, everybody wanted Sertie. I did too. Her death was not even close to being good enough. No, no, not at all. But the other thing is too, how quickly was Sam shot down about, well, let's just give the power to the people to vote? Yeah, no, that ain't happening. Yeah.

It was like, ah, tyranny still reign. Well, you know, that's the whole thing, right? At the end, it was like, asked me in 10 years when John said, you know, did we do the right thing? that has me in 10 years. I mean, that's what they're hoping for, right? I mean, it's going to fall apart and we'll, has to start again. Someone still needs to go pee off the end of the world.

Right. Right. Right. Back to the first episode. Right. So, I know, that... It's over, man. It's over, I know.

Thank you for... Gosh. For watching it. For watching. I'm speaking for HBO. Now, thanks for watching the eight years and 73 episodes. I really appreciate it. I kept thinking that it was 72 episodes,

but somehow I missed an episode in there. It must have been the... Must have been the very first episode. I don't, because each year had 10 episodes. And then the last two had six. That's 72, not 73. And everybody kept saying 73 episodes. So my, I know, look, I know I'm not big on math.

I got it. 18 is my number. And we're sticking with that. But I just seemed weird. I don't know where I missed an episode. It had to have been like the very first teaser. episode or something. Maybe.

Maybe like the pilot. I guess. I guess I don't know. Because they talked to all. I talked about the pilot never airing. Right. Because it had different actors. It sucked.

All had different actors. I guess we're still counting that. I don't know. But it is over. Thanks for watching 70 plus episodes. Here's your kick in the nuts for your reward. Exactly. And you know, at least they could have taken it to seven.

One for each of the realms. Well, look. It was disappointing, though, a little bit about that. because we found out that, and maybe I don't know what's 100% true, but I mean, everybody was saying, hey, we only had six episodes. We only had so much time to wrap it up. And then HBO said, no, no, no, no, no. We said do what you got to do.

You know, the report was HBO was like, no, no, no, no, no. You're not throwing us under the bus. We told you go and do what you got to do and wrap it up, but, you know, make it right. And you said, well, we could do it in six. And we said, okay, do it in six. So if you're not doing it right in six, that's not our fault. That's your fault. And so it's just kind of strange that they're fighting amongst themselves.

I mean, the whole thing kind of crumbled at the end is too bad. And I think we crossed him over to our side. I think we did. I think we did. He was fan boy status and now he's disgruntled. So maybe we say, you know, you still stick. You buy the DVD set through season five. You know, the package one through five.

but then that you're good. I don't know. Like, season six wasn't bad. Was it was season six where, where we found out about John when he was named King of the North? Was that six? Five or six, somewhere in there.

Yeah, when he was named King. I love that. Like, that whole scene, I remember when they showed the Tower of Joy and his mom, Leanna, and then they, like, she held up the baby and then showed his eyes and then it morphed into his face

and then they named him King of the North right afterwards. I was like, oh, that was good. That was good. It was just like this episode, the final episode almost.

Oh, yeah, totally. It was just that good. Exactly. So final thoughts, Amber. Can we just start, forget about everything that happened? Go look for a new show to talk about. Absolutely.

I'm glad it's over. I think it's a great lesson when the writers or the show creators I feel like they have to, I don't know, like one up the audience. Outsmart the audience. Yeah. Don't do that.

Stuff that ends up happening. I'm just glad finally the buildup is over. And, you know, it was fun to watch. It was a great ride. But it's finally over. And fear, the Walking Dead starts on June 2nd. And we'll be back with the talking fear on June 3rd. So thank you for listening to the talking series here on Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher,

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