Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E6 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear & Dead City Edition

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Fear & Dead City Edition    Talking Walking Dead: Fear Edition  Season Eight Episode Six  Titled: All I See Is Red  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  Morgan fights his past as he and Madison race to stop PADRE's expansion.     Season One: Episode One / Dead City  TITLE: Old Acquaintances  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB :  Maggie finds Negan, and they travel to Manhattan; a marshal named Armstrong follows Negan;  Meeting a quiet young girl named Ginny    With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher      Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, season eight, episode six of Fear the Walking Dead, titled All I See is Red. Then we have season one, episode one of Dead City to talk about. We have a lot to get to today. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell, and Maximus Fisher. Thank you for coming along for the ride on Talking Walking Dead. A lot to get to today.

We had the mid-season finale of Fear of the Walking Dead and it was entitled, All I See is Red. And it was, I was okay. It was okay. One of the best episodes this season. Really? I would say that. Not the best ever, but. Well, I think I catch both of your drifts on that because I felt how both of you.

I guess I was a combination of the two of you, which sounds like. terrifying visually. But yeah, it was like, I like the content. I guess that's one of my biggest gripes about fears, because I like the content. Like I like, you know, like some of the best Walker battles in the entire, you know,

series, really, was last night's episode. No doubt about that. Fighting in the, you know, at the boat house, all that stuff. But I'm just tired of the context. I was tired of the all I see is read, you know, You know, they did a play the little noise and the little filter on the screen. They'll all, you know.

Flashbacks with the shots. I was like, okay, I'm just, I'm done with that. I don't care. Every time we turn, every time it's like we're in the middle of, he's going to die, and then we wake up and he's been saved. We didn't ever see the save. He's just been saved. I just got tired of it.

Me too. Made Madison to the rescue. How many, let's see, how many times is Morgan gone clear mode? Like, whatsoever in the entire show? Well, I mean, a lot. And that's fine. I don't mind the Morgan Clear mode. I mean, that's when we get our great walker fights and deaths and it's really good, right?

And he believes that he can't die and he just continues on his battle, which I love. But the whole thing of almost dying and then flashbacking, all I see is red. And the next thing, you know, he's waking up in a mud pit, you know, the quick sand and getting out and not knowing how he gets there. Madison saved him. And it's just, you're right. I was just tired. He kept saying, I thought I was past this. And we were like, oh, God, so did we.

Just get past it. Please, just get past it. Got some Daniel this episode, which was fun. You know, we didn't get to see the clearing, which we talked about last week. I was very disappointed in, although we did have some great Walker battles. We didn't get to see the shipyard clear, which was very disappointing. I really wanted to see that. I really wanted to see that.

And we never found out, you know, really, I guess nothing was in the shipyard because we had to get the coordinates that we had left in the binoculars of Dad. And we were fortunate enough to find him. What a surprise. I know. I said the same thing. He just comes walking out at the perfect time, you know. It's like, oh, there you are.

Hi, Dad. There you are. Morgan is tied to a board in a houseboat. And there's the guy we're looking for. Amazing. What are you? And the battle between Morgan and the kid, Mo, the daughter, all right, all right.

I don't know. I guess the episode was kind of fun, and we got, you know, and thankfully we're finally rid of Shrek, you know, thankfully, finally rid of error. So we're rid of, so the Padre villains are gone. Well, the brothers there, right? He's not doing anything without his sister. The brother didn't die, though.

He's still, like, he put her down, right? And he's still alive. I don't know what good he will be, but he's still alive. Was he there at the last scene? No, he wasn't. He didn't. He wasn't there in the last scene. They left it after it went to black after they met in a train car.

Right. So we have no idea about him. Who cares? Right. I know. I know. And then, you know, then we get to, I mean, I really, I want to talk about Dead City. so we'll just get the fear.

We'll get the fear. We'll get the fear out of the way. How about when Dwight and Sherry officially broke up after. Of course. After Finch died. I mean, the world, the world knew. We've talked about it on this show many times. Of course.

Of course it had to be over. I mean, did you even need to watch it? You didn't even need to be present when it showed them on screen. I knew exactly what was coming. I was like, well, here's the thing. They finally admitted after we had been saying this all this time, like, Negan and Shrike, maybe it's not just these A-holes that we're dealing with. Maybe it is a bit of us. And we were all like, maybe.

Maybe it is. Maybe it is. Do I? What do you think? It's so agonizing. Oh, my gosh. And I get, I get it that, you know, whenever, whenever a family loses a child, it's very difficult. to continue on for the couple.

I understand how horrific that is, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place, should it have Dwight and Sherry. Ugh, it was just enough. Which, you know what? The thing is, them reuniting that scene after they had dealt with the building with the rats was such a good scene.

Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, we all, happy he finally found her, right? And it was, they were there, they were together. And it's just. It's, it's what it is. It's like it's the show creators doing like the dangling the carrot with the stick thing. It's like and it's so lazy and the audience hates that. Like why they're constantly holding this out there.

And now they actually believe the audience cares whether they get together or not. We are so tired of it. It's like it's the same thing with the Morgan. Like we don't care like when am I going to move past us? We don't care that you move past it at this point. No. You've dangled it out so many times. We do not care.

Right. And the reason that you keep doing it is to save everyone's lives, which you finally realize that. Now, hopefully, you know, I guess he's past it now, right? I guess we've buried, what's your face, Grace Muckherjee. That's what I said on the tombstone, on the cross. But it was cool because I saw the grave. I was like, is that we got, we saw Eastman's grave. Yeah, we got your boy back.

I was thinking about you and your boy with the trainer. Jason, you are in the... No, Jason, I'm sorry, but you are in the heavy minority of Walking Dead fans that don't like that episode. Yeah, well, as per your own words, the majority like Madison and they like World Beyond. So, fuck them. No, the majority like Madison.

No, as for my words, they don't like World Beyond. They like Madison. There's a difference. Should I clap at that point so they know when to bleep? That's awesome. I mean, it really, it really is. And I find it amazing that I kept thinking to myself, boy, Madison, then the oxygen just never runs out. But she's got them stashed all over, right?

She's tank stashed all over, just like the walkie-talkies that never go dead. They're just always stashed and always charged, right? Because that's what saved the kid in the houseboat is, oh, we've got another oxygen tank stashed. Here, take this and swim away. Okay. All right, fine. No problem. You do that. It's convenient. Yeah. Yeah. It's smart to do something like that, though. It is, though. Always be prepared.

You never know when you're going to need an oxygen tank. Meanwhile, Mo, go back over there and practice your forms. Right. I was happy with that one. I was happy with that. Jason, we like Eastman. We like Eastman. We like Eastman. Okay. I was too. I did like the give her the staff and go back over.

and let me say goodbye and you go you'll practice your forms and remember you're always striking or there's there's only two types of two types of swings blocking what's the other one blocking and striking and it was hilarious too because you missed it dad but when he was doing when she started doing some forms he actually had this like little smile on his face and actually looked at eastman's grave and did like the motion of do you see this So now we've ended. Morgan is no longer. I was right.

Max was right. And that's what we're, you know, Morgan is going to trek off to try to find Rick. We saw in the opening of the show, the show open had brought up silhouettes of all the people in Morgan's life that are now dead. Right? We thought,

we thought the one guy was Rick, but he doesn't think Rick is dead. So it wasn't part of the silhouettes. Who was the people? Who were the silhouettes? In order, I think it was Jenny, Dwayne, Eastman, Nick, John Jr., John Isaac, no, Isaac, Rachel, John, Sr., Alicia, and Grace. Okay, but we think, now in the end of the show, right? So we got, we're rid of Shrek, and he's off.

Madison's the main character again. He's off with the daughter, right? So next, the last six episodes that we get are Madison back. We're going to do full source. circle of her being in charge like she was at the very beginning. And, you know, she wants to find all the kids and build a future world with the parents and the kids and everything. But at the end, we see Alice, or Alicia's arm, right? So was that bad guy, was that Alicia? With a grown arm again? Do you think she just grew back her arm?

I don't know. I don't know that she's a salamander, grows it back. I'm not sure. You know, who is the bad guy? A lot of people are thinking it's Troy from season three. Which one is Troy? This guy. I don't.

He's from the dam. Oh, Troy from the damn. The guy, the guy. I don't even remembers him. The guy who Madison hit with the sledgehammer. Okay. Is that the biker? Now, the biker's the drug guy, right?

In Texas, or in the desert. And he had surgery, right? The biker had the back surgery. I'll put it up to the camera for Jason to see even... Ah, crap. Don't worry about the keyboard. It's fine. Don't remember him.

So I think the moral of the story is if that's who the bad guy is, they screwed up because no one's going to care or hardly remember. Now, it could be wrong. That's just a theory, but a lot of people are thinking that. Okay. You know who I think the bad guy is? Uh-oh. Travis. I think Travis is the bad guy.

That's just a thought. That's all I'm saying. There's going to be another two-way mirror in that, like, conference in that little interrogation. He's going to be behind that one. I loved how the, with Morgan and his ending on fear actually ended with him talking on the radio going, I'm going to leave you this message. every day at dawn and keep the walkie on for a few minutes. And I was like full circle from the beginning of dead.

Yeah. I thought it was, it's interesting too that now they have no problem mentioning Rick now that they're actually shooting. Right. You know, the show is going to happen. We were begging for it on the regular show. Right.

Got nothing. Got nothing. And we get it in fear. Okay. All right. But I was right. Morgan's going to the Rick and Moshone show. That's possible.

And I think my. theory is, Dwight is going to show up on Daryl. Oh. Why? That's possible. Yeah, I mean, because he's leaving, what's her face? Well, he said he's going to go back home, so he's going back to Alexandria, maybe, but

I think, just part of me thinks, like, Dwight and Daryl had such a good, like, chemistry of, like, I hate you, but I understand you, because they were, because Dwight was based off. Darrell originally because Dwight showed up in the comics first and Darryl's not a comic character

but they had such a good dynamic of I understand you but I hate you remember? Well if he said he's going to go back home we might get him in Dead City right because we we have Negan and Maggie let's we can all right so fear wrapped up for midseason finale

Maggie is gathering the children and they're going to go off with Daniel's crew Madison not Madison and find the parents that are still alive and the kids that are still alive and hook up and build the great society that Padre wanted to be in the beginning. Yay. And so Morgan's going to go off with Mo to try to find Rick and that crowd. And Dwight told Sherry that he's going to go back home. Okay, so we get to Dead City, right?

And which I thought, you know, it was, well, that was very enjoyable. had a lot of fun watching Dead City and old acquaintances, and it was good to see Neegan kind of being old Negan again, but not really. You know, just kind of wading through things. Maggie, you know, she really realizes that she's more like Negan than she wants to even admit to herself, which I love. But if the bad guy in Dead City right now is an old Neganite, then if Dwight comes home, we might get Dwight back with helping Negan, even though he doesn't want to.

Yeah. I, just from the opening, well, sequence, I really enjoyed it, because it was like, kind of like glimpses of this world

that you knew existed, but they wouldn't show. Just like the random, like organized crime groups set up in an old Route 66 motel. I thought it was just kind of cool. That was awesome. My only complaint or gripe on it was this new group.

I was like, oh, God, another new group, you know, this new Babylon or whatever. Oh, and the Marshalls. Yeah, that's separate. That's the Marshalls, right? That's separate. Yeah. The Manhattan bad guy. What's the guy's name?

Croat. Croat, yeah. Which I also like that he's a former savior. That's kind of cool. Yes. Yes. I loved how, like, as soon as she did the whistle, he's like, oh, you're talking about that, Croat. Yeah. Yeah.

But like I didn't, I don't, I'm still not really sure why they needed to throw in these marshals in the New Babylon. I mean, I guess maybe that will reveal itself. I hope it does to be a bit more impactful. But right now I just don't really care. I want to see Negan, Maggie, and the Croat in New York City. I don't. Yeah. It's just an added annoyance, I guess, to me.

It is. And the marshals are there with the new law and they're hunting down, you know, Negan and other criminals. I kind of like the girl. what's I forgive me I don't know her real name and I should have looked it up but the girl that ended up being killed from the marshal I love her as an actress and I was sorry to see her go you know she's been in a lot of really cool parts and I thought she was gonna you know hang around for a little while and then you know she's not there an entire episode is just killed already it was really weird that was crazy she's I at first I thought that she was a returning character from one of the other shows on in walking dead

I was she, who was she? But no, I just got finished watching Picard. Yeah, yeah. She's a lot of great stuff. Yeah. She's a big role in Picard. But yeah, she's a big actor. Yeah.

And I was really happy that she was going to be part of it. No, not so much. Well, she was part of it for 10 minutes. Yeah, for 10 minutes. But I know I would have liked to see her hang around. It was great seeing Negan again, Maggie. I love the scene where she's explaining what Croat did to her, where they surrounded her in the dark, lights on,

and before she sees anything, she just hears, whew! That was awesome, the flashbacks of Negan. They actually showed her killing red. I know. Her dream shows the Negan kills of our people. Have they ever showed it that graphic? I don't think so.

That second when he hits him again and you see like the blood's going shooting up. I don't ever remember seeing that. And he, you know, the bend down face to face with the bat and is behind him and stuff. Some of those scenes, I don't know that we've seen those. They were there. They were, I think they were there. Okay. I mean, it's very possible we have.

I mean, I could have blocked something that horrific out. But I just, it was fun, it was fun to see it. Anyway, I mean, it was fun to see her. It was her nightmare. I know it was terrible, but it was still fun to see. And then right after she wakes up, Negan speaks to her. That was just funny. That was funny to me.

I love the Maggie boots with her little blade. She gets the knife out. Yeah. The Joker boots. Yeah. The Joker boots. Yeah. That's awesome.

That's awesome. So we're after her kid and, uh, what's his name of a crow. I'm just going to call him. Croat. Herschel. No, Crow at the guy. Oh, Croat.

No, I know the kid's name is Herschel. He's trying to be badass, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that works out. But it was, and, Some of the scenes in the city were awesome. The falling walkers from the building. The falling walkers were great.

Moving herds through the city that we would expect. You know, her, well, the opening scene when she sees the walkers, you know, walking along the, well, I get, for lack of a, it's the boardwalk there where the, we're in Manhattan. It's, that was, that was great. I mean, those moving herds are just got to be moving around the city. it's when they first got there I was like that the guy the junior marshal was like where are all the what do you call him he didn't call him walk

chompers choppers for all the chompers like what's going on why are there's nobody here yeah they're already heard it up wandering the city my man we had chomper's they heard Maggie call them groaners to like the other group

oh yeah oh yeah that one is that one new I think I think it is I don't think we ever had growners before they're digging deep to come up with new names. No doubt. But all the city scenes were exactly

what I was hoping to see. And it was what we were hoping to see. We've said this before in fear. That's really what we wanted to see. And they barely scratch the surface. If they can keep this up for a full season, we're going to, we're in personal this. Now, hopefully we get hopefully,

you know, so now we're going to be racing to find Maggie's kid, Pershiel. And I mean, that's the point of going into the city. So we're fighting against Crow's people. And then they're on the run from the Marshall. Does the Marshal even ever team up with them? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I don't see. I'm just like, I'm not

interested in him at all. We have no idea why, what his deal is. I've seen him before. He's a good actor. I have seen that actor. Yeah, but we have no idea, you know, what's his point, right? We don't, like, we have no vested interest in New Babylon. New Babylon and the marshals. and whatever new law that they have. I mean, he called it, he called it something.

His name was Pearly Armstrong Marshall, but they, oh, Tranquility Order and the Federation. All right. So, okay, well, we've been so. Yeah. You don't know, so. And it was dangerously close to the group in fear, like the one that we just, you know, the cowboy group.

Yes. Yeah. I was like, oh, Virginia's group. yeah I was like yeah sure was yes I don't know I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt I'm gonna say hey this is gonna be very pivotal and it's gonna work out because I loved everything

else I'm just yeah I'm not gonna I love by the way I just don't understand it the opening song with the the opening sequence like the intro I loved yeah it was very good yes it was very good I enjoyed that as well and I rewatched it something actually interesting that's kind of cool

um the you actually could see like once when they show the Statue of Liberty, you could actually see the World Trade Center, like, halfway built because the pandemic of the zombie virus started around like 2009 or 10-ish in that universe, which is when it was halfway built. So, like, it's just kind of halfway tall. Nice. Yeah, on the Statue of Liberty during that sequence, it showed like curtains up on the crown of the statue of liberty. So it got me thinking that we're actually going to go into it. There's going to be people living up in there. I still hope they do something like that. And he teased it how he never

saw the Statue of Liberty. So I was like, I thought that was the first place they were going. Yes, they might happen. They might have to to run once to try to get off the island, right? Have to. It would be fun because you're right. His dream has to go. They have to go there. The dry cleaner Walker was, the finals killed the kills and the dry cleaners. He should have picked up a new suit on the way out. I don't know why we do that. What are we doing there? Oh, then there was the old crazy lady that we saw twice. Yeah, I'm not quite sure what we're making of that, although she's probably just, she may help them in the end, right? She's against the bad guys.

So she's going to end up maybe helping them. And I did like a couple things in New York. At the end, the wire kill was awesome. The wire kill was good. The wire, when the guy was trying to escape him, and he just cuts the wire and drops him up, was awesome. That was fun. but the bags of roaches

when they were hiding from the herd was awesome that was really fun like they just see you have a couple on them that would get off get they couldn't stop them climbing on them and then opening a whole they move a bag and then Nagan's response nope

what would you do in that too? I don't know that I would have said no but I would have moved I'll tell you that moved quickly. I did not want any of that happening. I've had similar situations happen in a swarm of cockroaches at one point living in Florida, and it is not fun. It's really creepy.

Really creepy. Get that. I know. I know. And someday, if you listen to chewing the fat, I may tell that story. I don't know that I've ever told that story out of the air. The swarm of roaches. Oof.

It was not fun. that those weren't it's Florida so it's not just any regular roaches they're palmetto bugs I know it was nasty oh cow holy cow is that my ex-wife's house anyway she wasn't one of them no I'll just throw it I'll give you a tease she wasn't one of them okay she was her own special nah it reminds you was fine just a joke a bad joke so I loved I thought Dead City was great man first episode I'm looking forward to it we're good fear we've got we've got the break and I don't know that I'm actually looking forward to the final six but we'll be be there for it, but we'll definitely be here

for Dead City. I'm looking forward to that a lot. Oh yeah, and something I just realized, no Strand. Yeah, no strand in the first, yeah, so nothing at all, not even binoculars away. The only binoculars we got were the dads that had the special coordinates in it. But they showed

Strand in the preview for the next half of the series, though. Oh, they did? Yep. I don't know that I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, that I was surprised you guys didn't mention that. He's one of the big players in the last half. MC Plus doesn't really show like.

I haven't, yeah, I didn't see the pro. AMC Plus doesn't really show like next time on. Yeah, he's back. So he's still around. All right.

So we know that he probably was up in the trees watching him with the now that they're all, now that they've got it all settled. He thinks he could swoop in and take over. He's like, now I know who I needed to manipulate. Right. But it wasn't his

It wasn't his hand with No, that wasn't his arm. No, that wasn't. That wasn't strands. Yeah, it looked like a chick. That's what I... I've seen a lot of people say it's Troy. I could be wrong.

They could be wrong. I mean, it could be Metro Negan. Oh no. That's who it is. Metro Negan. He's back in his silk shirt. He rolls in with the old RV. I'm back.

Something to look forward to. Can't wait. You know what? Jason, dad, you know what we should do? We should watch the whole stadium arc again. From the beginning of season four to Madison dying, just to remember Metro Needs. You know, Max, that's a good idea for you. You could do the show.

If you really care about this show, you could do that. No, we want us. You need to join us. And inform us exactly what happened. Maybe we miss something. Maybe we miss something. We need you to tell us what we've made. Jeff, he's going to be working late at the studio.

Yeah, I can't. Look at the time. Crazy. Man, we are out of time today, too. I'd love to talk some more about Metro Deegan. All right. So any final thoughts, Mr. Butchell? Yeah, it was, Dead City was refreshing.

You know, it's like something new, something exciting, and it was done in a cool way. Fear, not so much. I'm ready for it to end. I don't want to hear about the second half. But it makes me excited for, like, the new shows that are coming out. Darrell Dixon and Rick and Michone should be pretty cool.

I agree. I know I'm a little more lenient on fear, but I know it has its big ups and big downs. But I hope it gets better. But we're going to be missing Morgan. Madison's the main character again. Oof. I know.

How, okay, sorry, I don't, I've said this before, but she's a good actress. How is she so bad in this show? I don't know. Even her voice is annoying. Bad. I mean, some could make the case that Travis doesn't want to come back.

That's the whole thing. He's happy to be gone. He's like, thank God that happened. One could make that case. That's why they didn't show his bite. He faked his death to get the hell away from that chick, and he's gone.

He's like in Cabo right now. Just chilling. Yeah. Let's be honest. We all loved him. I get it. He got on our nerves a bit, but we're all going to miss Morgan until we see him again. He's sipping my tides, man.

He's just like, hell yeah. But so I hope the next half of Fears Good, Dead City. I agree. I agree with Jason. It was refreshing to see like tons of walkers, a crazy bad guy that I love that he's a former savior. That was just, I love. Yes. I love the story of Negan.

being like, oh, I wasn't, I was bad, but the people under me, I kept them in check. Right. I was the bad guy, but, you know, I knew right away that he was going to be worse than me. I had to keep, yeah, you're right, I had to keep me. Yeah, remember Simon? Simon was clearly like a worst person than Negan. Right. Right.

Right. Well, at the time, we believe that, I mean, even Negan has made the case that he had to be the way he was. And that's one of the reasons, right, to keep his guys in check, guys that were ready to go off the rails. And so, you know, him being that bad guy, I mean, he had to be. Look, I had to kill your I had to. I had to. Otherwise, I did love, he did say one line, Negan did say one line that I loved. You know, you know what? Maybe we're all the good guy or hell, maybe no good guys even exist. Maybe we're all just the bad guys. Like, he did say that. And that was a, that was a great line.

And having survived and making it this far into the new world, I mean, you pretty much have to be, right? All right. Let's wrap this thing up. Thank you. for coming along for the ride today. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, myself, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Be sure to listen and subscribe to The Mother Show, Chewing the Fat with yours truly, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening. We'll see you next week on Talking Walking Dead.