Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E7 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Fear Edition  Season Eight Episode Seven     SHOW TITLED: Anton     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  Strand fights to protect his new life when it is threatened by the arrival of an old friend.     Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'll talk. I'll talk. I'll talk. Season 8, episode 7, the walking dead, fear the walking dead edition, titled Anton, the final episodes of fear the walking dead. Episode description on IMDB Strand fights to protect his new life when it's threatened by the arrival of an old friend. Myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell, and Maximus Fisher, making this talking, walking dead.

Welcome to it. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, season 8, episode 7. Excited. Excited is not the word I would use, but it is a word I'm using now for the beginning of the end for fear, the walking dead.

So, Jason, welcome. Welcome. Hey, how are you? Good to see you and hear from you. Man, there was a point yesterday where the app for AMC Plus would not load. And I was like, damn it. Is that a sign?

I'm not going to be able to watch this. Oh, crap, that really sucks. But my idiocy was like you started troubleshooting. And I reset my Apple TV and then it worked again. And so I was able to watch. Oh, that's good. And then 10 minutes into the episode, I was like, this is gay. Happy?

This is happy. Yes. There you go. That's happy. I mean, of course, I mean, we started off with the, you know, Padre has fallen. A little quick recap. We got it. And the new world that Strand is all in charge of, which is wonderful.

But, you know, of course we bring back. I mean, the fear began with Strand being in love with the cartel guy down in Mexico, right? So, I mean, that was all part of the deal. Well, I get it. They have to bring, it seems like they're trying to tie this in a bow, and they're trying to bring all as many as they can of the original cast back together so that they can have the, as much as they can have the original cast, right off into the sunset together.

Right. Yeah. So I get that. The problem is no one cares about any of the original cast. We don't care. Daniel. Daniel, I'll agree. Like, every time he would ride in, I'd be like, oh, that's, you know, it's cool to see him.

I want to see Morgan. Oh, he's gone. We're not going to see him. And I want to see Morgan. And I wanted to like, Sherry's back. I thought she was going to be gone. Oh, my gosh. We did get Sherry.

Dwight's gone, right? Dwight's gone. So no, no Dwight. There's no reason to watch. It really isn't. It's like the story. I don't know. It's a strange thing.

The one thing they have going for it is to tie it to the overall picture, which is CRM or even Commonwealth or something like that. That's the only interesting angle I could see them take this in because the characters and their story does not do anything. I don't care for any of them. Well, wait, they brought back the farmer. They brought back Troy Troy Otto I remember us talking about it because last night when he showed up at first

I was like it is it's him it's Metroningen and he's back and then I remember now we talked about the farmer Oh see that would have been that would have been fun if they brought Metro Negan back I would have enjoyed that

I was so happy I was so happy that's where they are where the writers are for the show of coming up with ideas they all sat around a table for probably weeks pitching ideas. And one intern was like,

what if we bring back that one dude? I can't remember his name. None of the audience remember his name. No one cares about him. But what if we bring him back anyway? To drive the story. We barely remember Madison hitting him with the hammer. Barely.

Well, you actually didn't? No. To be honest, I didn't either. I didn't either. I didn't remember the scene. They played it a couple of times. You know, her remembering and him, you know, having a flashback.

and I was like, I don't remember that scene. I don't at all. It was such a dark time within the show in a bottomless pit of dark times that I blocked it out. I don't know. But you're right. I love the idea.

It makes it a little bit better thinking about the group sitting around the table going. That was their big idea. I'd love to get this guy back. What about the guy that she hit with a hammer that we can say didn't actually die? It's amazing That's like the McGuffin

You know the thing that drives the story in these things Right That is like that's like the hardest thing But it's also supposed to be like the most important thing Right Troy is the McGuffin The guy no one remembers and cares about Right

That's funny enough The seat at the end actually wasn't that bad His acting was actually pretty good But the lead up to it was the weird part There was a number of things that I had issues with in this episode. Well, you know, when you say lead up to it, okay, so let's talk about the group.

Okay, so Strand has got his hotel, and we're living large with the Germans, and we're in love with, uh, what's his face, Frank, and his son, who we find out, you know, he ended up telling his wife that he was gay and coming out. It was all wonderful,

and we're all in love, and it's a beautiful thing. And, uh, Anton, who is Strand is, his new life and it's wonderful. But then the group shows up looking for Madison. So Madison shows up.

We get our crying hug and Strand knows that he can't admit that he's Strand. You just can't because he's already wiped Strand away from this world. So then the group shows up to take Madison. Who are these people? Well, I mean, he does not look scary. It does not. It's just a group of guys with a couple of rifles. I don't understand.

Well, then we find out Troy. hired them. I know, but who are they? So what? We're talking to him in the bus. Kill him. The guy looked like a set. The leader looked like a 17-year-old that had like a bad hunting hat on.

He's coming in trying to be scary in a bus. We kill you. Have a nice day. We're done with you. We're done with you. We drag you out back. And when the next crowd comes, have you seen them? No.

Have a nice day. No, I'm busy eating. I'm busy making breakfast with my solar panels. Okay. leave me alone. Yeah. There's no way that group survives in reality in this world. Right.

They're not focused on defense. They've got a badass hotel that they just let people walk in and out of. Did you notice the name of it? It was like emissary suites instead of embassy suites. Right. Okay, you got to me. That was pretty funny. That was clever.

That was clever. Are you kidding? What do you mean? They wouldn't survive. They have a bus blocking the walkway. That's a good point. What are you even talking about? They're good.

There's no other way in. But through that walkway where the bus is blocking. I just, okay. All right. And look, I get it. We've already, we have to, we've bypassed some, you know, reality for the entirety of all the shows, right? I read a review from a guy about Daryl Dixon who was just ripping it apart. And some of what he says was, you know, legitimate complaints.

But in our world, in the Walking Dead world, and in specific, particularly Darrell Dixon for this story. You know, we've let some of that go because we just, we just have. That reality is not part of it. It's like, yeah, that would never happen in real life. But, okay, we believe that it happened here because it's in the walking dead world. We've already let that go. And so same here.

You know, there are some things that we let go because in reality, it wouldn't happen. But in our world, it happens and we let it slide. I got it. But I just, I do want some semblance of reality, just a little bit. Whether it's a scary guy or the group is heavily armored or comes in with the tank, something to make you feel like you're scared of them. And there was none of that. Yeah.

I don't understand it. I can let, I can let that stuff go if it's a good story and I care about the characters. Right. None of that is present on Fear of the Walking Dead. Just so strange. And then, how many times? We are so close. So close.

So close. To just letting Madison die. I know. I was like, we had a couple fakeouts. Again. Are we doing this to me? That's what kills me the most. I think that's another writer's trick where they know there's a big majority of people like us.

And they're just teasing us. They're like, if we put that moment in every show, they'll sit at the edge of their seat and want to tune in next to a Gonna kill her. She has to die, please. Oh, no. Oh, look, there's a tank of oxygen hanging from a tree. Okay, she lives. Oh, I can't.

Oh, okay, I just can't. Every time it happened, I was like, I was like, I always looked at dad and went, they did it again. And he just, he had this face of, are you kidding me? She never has to worry. Basically, if she ever runs out of oxygen, just look around, there's going to be an oxygen tank. Yes. You're good. It's amazing.

And she's laying there. We haven't found an oxygen tank yet. And people are chasing us because of you. Here, let me put a sword through your skull and show you to them. Here, we're done. Have a nice day. Nope. No.

Oh, look, under the pillow, there's a lost oxygen tank. Okay. All right. I was so bummed. There's so many times when it could have happened yet. No. All right. Now we're all just better life.

the children and then Hammerhead Rancher shows up. Hammerhead. It's just, I just can't. And then when they were running, okay, here's another thing. Now, Madison and Strand have been through quite a lot in our Walker world. Okay. So they're running from this group of walkers into this pretty sweet library. I don't know where this library was, but I enjoyed it.

It was pretty sweet. And she can't close the door because, two walkers have their hands in a skull through the door. You stab them and close the door. And Strand has his old sword. I don't understand why that was such a difficult task. I had the same thought. Exactly same thought.

You gave up on that one kind of quick. We did. And I was like, Strand has his sword. It's rusty, so the edge is dull, but the tip is still sharp. Just stab them. Stab them and close the door. Okay. All right. But no, instead we're going to tip over bookshelves and hope that they and then have a long conversation about why we're, why we love each other and what we're missing.

We're here for the kids. And I told Alicia goodbye. And she told me she loved me and forgave me. And I never thought I could be forgiven. At this point, the way they did Strand, at this point, we don't care if you're even serious at this point. Because you've done this a thousand times. That's your deal. That's your deal. You can't be redeemed at this point. And I'm okay with it, but why try? Yeah. I mean, own it.

He has done this a ton. He did own it last season when he was the head of the tower. That's when he owned it. That's true. That's true. And then, you know, at the end with Hammerhead, he, you know, tells Frank that, you know, I've told you so many lives. I thought, I thought they were actually going to do it.

I thought they might actually kill Victor. And I'm like, that would have actually made me upset. I've been like, you killed one of the best characters in this show. The one of the few characters, like one of the only characters I care about, which is Strand. I get it, you don't really care about it that much, Jason. He's one of the best characters in the show. I'm more interested in the bad guy's winning at this point. I want them to kill all the characters.

Then I'd be more invested. It would. That is awesome. Now, then Daniel shows up with, of course, they drag June out. June. And they drag. And they drag Sherry out. Oh, my gosh.

Okay, we're going to drag them out for what I guess. Padre has fallen, but we still believe in the cause, I guess. No, Padre hasn't fallen. They're building it and they're building the new Padre with all the kids that were left. And Troy doesn't know where it is. That's why he was after them. You know what? I understand their premise.

I got it. I just, if you're going to hate something, make sure you hate it correctly. Don't be incorrect. So, and why wouldn't, okay, here's another thing. Why wouldn't my man, Daniel, just kill him? That is, that is a good question. Why wouldn't they come in and to rescue Strand and Madison? He's going to be pissed at Strand.

Obviously, he's a little shocked at seeing Victor, you know, or Anton or whatever. But he's there to rescue Madison and help. Why wouldn't he just kill Hammerhead and the rest of him? I don't understand that at all. I love that line from Daniel, and Strand goes, thank you, my friend. And he goes, we're not friends. Right. I know that he's there, and he's, you know, we're not friends, but I'm saving you because

you're with Madison. It's all good. But I still am confused why we just didn't wipe out Hammerhead. Because we wouldn't be able to suffer through the next, what, four or five episodes or whatever god-awful number there are of the second half of the season. And then we had Troy bring out Alicia's arms. saying he actually killed her, which if they gave

the hint, but oh yeah, Alicia is dead, dead. And we see her, imagine we see her Walker next episode, like they hinted in the preview. They hinted in the preview that Madison sees a one-armed walker, right? Yeah. And then she thinks, is Alicia, let's hope it is. At least she'll suffer some pain.

I was thinking the plot twist has got to be. She's still alive. Yes, it has to be. Because, yeah, they're clearly trying to get as many of the original cast back together. So her being at the surprise. Oh, I'm still alive that they find out in the last episode or, you know, episode before something like that.

You know who's still alive? Nick. He's dead. No, I know he's dead. I know he's dead dead. When they were sitting around the table and they brought back Hammerhead, I don't know why they didn't bring back hubby. I mean, he crashed in a helicopter.

He could still definitely be alive. That's got to be still the table. You guys are all stuck on that one. His character was turning into a good character when they knocked him off. I agree. Why did they never show his death? I don't know because I believe they wanted to keep it on the table, right? Just like Madison.

Right. And Madison apparently needed the money, so she agreed to come back. Maybe Dad is not. Maybe Dad says, yeah, no, I'm done. That makes sense. If she gets her daughter back and her husband back at the end would be huge for the people that just really love this show. It'd be huge.

Oh, that's true. Alicia with one arm and a broken leg, saved by dad, with one arm and a broken leg. And we're all just one happy hop-along family in the end. Sucking on oxygen tank. We're all just one happy ICU unit of family. I see you unit of family. It would be really good. Really. I'm okay with that.

I'm okay with that. We've got, what, five or six episodes left, something like that? We've got until November, right? So next week is episode eight, Iron Tiger. The search for gas, search for gas leads to an unexpected reunion that Madison uses as an opportunity. Okay. Maybe we're just seeing Madison's perspective of running away and then finding the hotel. that's my guess

oh yeah that could be that's because we see her at the train we saw the previews of her at the train and stuff and that's when Padre fell right so that is possible of her perspective which would be another wasted episode really when we're wasting we're wasting important ground

with just seeing her perspective of that was the Troy season the same season the husband died allegedly see that was season Troy was season three so I'm not, I can't remember, let me look up. Yeah, look that up, because it might have been.

It may have been. Because Hubby was, in a helicopter flying, was he flying to save them from the ranch or something? See, that sounds familiar? It does sound familiar. That's why he was in that helicopter because he was coming to rescue them

from the Cowboys and Indian camp. I think that may have been. That sounds, this is sounded kind of very Perfect. It is. I can just hear the conversation between Troy, like on a radio, a seat, you know, a walkie-talkie saying, oh, you still think your husband is dead, don't you? And then everyone's like, do-da!

Yes. I think it was season two. Oh, is it coming out of Mexico or something? I think so. I think it still works. I think it still works. Because he's like following at, trying to catch up to him. Tell you what.

You guys go home, come back to me tomorrow with the plan. And we'll revisit it at the table tomorrow. Okay. That is awesome because that absolutely could happen. And, you know, again, I'm really, I guess, you know, I guess we, the fans like June and the fans like, I guess, Sherry. And, you know, I know I, I know we're fans of the show and overall, but are we? Because I feel like I'm, you know, I will say this. Haven't I said how much, how much I'm looking forward to the new Rick and Michone show?

Oh, God. Man, I cannot wait to have Rick Grimes back. After this episode? No, after this episode, I want it back bad. What are you kidding me? I can't wait until February. Genuinely, what if, what if the Rick and Michone show is like Dead City and Daryl Dixon and just fear and world beyond are right there? But then we have, but here's the thing, we know world beyond is going to have to connect in some way to the Rick and Michimichon show because as Jadis is in it. We know that. Right. So we have to have fear give us an, uh, uh, an over arc of, of CRM world. It has to be, right? It's such a, I don't know if I've made this comparison before, but the Walking Dead universe has totally become like the Marvel cinematic universe to me to where it was so great in the beginning. And then all of a sudden,

sudden I just felt obligated to, like this is how I'm with fear. I feel obligated to watch it, even if it's not great content, because it's like all connected and you just want to know what's going on in the larger worlds. But now I'm to the point where I don't even bother watching any of the Marvel movies anymore because they all suck. So they're getting dangerously close to that if they continue in the fear vein. If they stick to the Daryl Dixon vein, then there's, I think that's where, hopefully I think that's where we're at, right? I hope. We already made the commitment to ride out fear to the bitter end, to the bitter end, which we're doing now. And I mean, would it have hurt anyone to not do these final episodes and just have Morgan walk away and be the end of fear?

No one on this podcast, I don't think. no really i mean that would have saved him some money they could have spent on rick and mishone because they obviously spent you know on dead city and darrell so i mean it would have saved him some money uh to just say yeah you know what fear is done uh maybe give them one episode maybe uh going into the rick and moshone show if there's some uh you know arc to the to the to the meetup and that'd be done with it. Yeah. Because now we're going to get, if Max is right, and he probably is, we're going to get the

flashback next week of we'll get some new scenes, but mostly it's going to be her perspective of catching up with Strand, right? That's how she got there. So there's a wasted episode, just wasted. And we were right about Daryl Dixon as well, now that I'm thinking about it, 100%. when we talked about they said that Carol was going to be a part of the next season

that's the whole season it's the book of Carol Oh God, no You were right Max That's the book is I was reading about it the other day It's the book of Carol It better not be

Unless what I read was wrong And it's very possible I mean I believe everything I read on the internet So it's possible that someone would think That it's not correct that that's what their deal is. Yeah. So,

back for that. If it's the same writers and, and producers and everything, I think it'll be good, but it's not what I'm expected. It's not what I want. I know. I'll still watch it,

but it's just not what I want. I mean, when you, when you compare and contrast Daryl Dixon, but from fear, it is such an insane. Files apart. Oh my God.

Completely agreed. Every character in Daryl Dixon, it has a purpose. It has depth. They're all good. Even if you don't like some of them, it's got depth to it. And they mean something.

Yes. And fear, I don't care about any of them. They mean something and they know where they're at in the new world. You know, we've been in the new world now long enough where if you're still there, you know where you're at. You know your place.

You know what's dangerous. What isn't? And that's where you're at. And we get, I find in fear, we still have people that seem to me, anyway, don't.

know the world therein. Yeah. And it doesn't make any sense to me. Fear has been a nonstop trek for that next community. They never found the community, whether it's been a baseball field, a ranch, whether it was a Rosarito Beach Hotel in Mexico, whether it was... The cartel house. The boat. The ship.

The dam. Emissary suites. Damn, yes. The tower. every time it's all it is Padre all yeah everything that's absolutely

so hiring he's like we had that and walking dead for the first like couple seasons but then they found Alexandria and that was like

done this is the place remember Morgan's like place out in the desert or whatever that was the new community yeah the dam the old old

the broken down dam oh that's the dam I was thinking of another dam I think back into Mexico wasn't that that was a dam as well yeah but that wasn't a broken down

damn. That was a working dam. There's a difference. That's where I thought we had lost Madison at one time, right? Because she just went floating down the river and I was all happy and then of course she lived. And then she died again. Yeah, because the guy

was the biker in Texas? Was he the damn guy? Or that was the guy that was up against Daniel? He blew up the dam, yeah? Yeah, the biker guy blew up the dam, right? Yeah. Back surgery on the table in his office.

Yeah. Oh, gosh. Way back. More crap than never mattered. Right. All right. So anyway, we're back with fear of the Walking Dead. It was great.

It was great. It was great. I'm sad that Anton, Victor Strand, had to come out of hiding and lose his love. But will he lose his love? Because Frank said that he could be forgiven. and there's nothing but love. The boy

believes that Victor is just like a father to him. It's wonderful. Klaus, right? The kid's name is Klaus. Yeah. And all the German tourists who live because of bus is blocking the walkway. Good for them.

Yes. Good for them. So, all right. Jason, what is your, what are you looking forward to? What are you looking forward to? And fear of the walking done. The end. The end. I bet, I bet, Jason, I bet when the final credits roll on the final episode, you will just be clapping.

You'll be like, it is over. I will be up off my chair, uh, couch. You are absolutely. I can honestly say that I'll be wiping tears away. I'll be wiping tears away. I'm joy. Maximus. Yeah, this episode was not the best.

definitely kind of starting off with a bit of a low for fear. I know there's a lot of lows for fear. This isn't the lowest we've had. We've had some lower, in my opinion. Can I say there is a way to turn it around? There is. You make that connection to the larger world.

Have to. If you do that, you redeem it a little. And it gets better. But if not, I don't know what we're still doing here. You have to. And I feel like the way this show has gone, if they make that reach to the bigger world, Madison will then reject it.

Why? Because it will seem like it's not the utopia she's dreaming of. I don't know. Who cares what she wants? Right. The head of CRM is like, just cut her off the oxygen. Okay, just sorry. If you live after a couple of days without the oxygen, great.

But if not, I'll make sure someone puts a knife in your head and we'll move on with our lives. You know, it's weird. We did kind of, a couple seasons ago, we had that connection to CRM with Al. Right. And then she found her girl. They left in the helicopter. And we haven't seen them since. Right.

So we do have some kind of connection there. And that's when it was somewhat interesting. Yeah. I was actually interested. Let's be honest. So I could come back. If that may save it, if that comes back. Can we want to season four introduced two of the best characters from the show, John Dory and Al?

Yeah. They're both gone. And they're both gone now. Is she dead? No, no, she's alive. She might be in the Rickham Moshone show. I'd be happy about that. I was one of the best characters.

Well, she could be the arc between fear and Rick and Mishon right in the new world. That could happen. which I'd be okay with. Let's hope that happens. All right, this has been Talking Walking Dead. Jason Butchow, Maximus Fisher. Thank you for coming along for the ride. You know, another exciting episode of Fear next week.

And we'll see you then. Talking Walking Dead.