Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E8 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Fear Edition  Season Eight Episode Eight     SHOW TITLED: Iron Tiger     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  The search for gas leads to an unexpected reunion that Madison uses as an opportunity        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 8, Episode 8, The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead edition, titled Iron Tiger. It's the final episodes of Fear the Walking Dead. Episode description on IMDB, the search for gas leads to an unexpected reunion that Madison uses as an opportunity. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buck, and Maximus Fisher, bringing you talking, walking dead. Welcome to it. How are you? Jason, Maximus. You know, I'll just go as I will start. I will say they keep dragging them out.

They're dragging out characters you thought were gone. And they keep pulling them back in. And they also gave it me at least maybe one, maybe to one good one and maybe a couple of small ones of, hey, we're going to kill Madison. And no, we aren't. We're going to let the, she's going to survive. and that just they keep tugging out my heartstrings every time they tease me with her being death. So much.

And yet, you know, this episode was... It was better than last weeks. That's my opinion. That's my opinion. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Max. Wrap it up. Tell us why you felt it was better than last week because I don't disagree.

I just think it was a bit more character stuff. And the ending was a shock. I think that was a surprise. just basically that more characters that we kind of care but used to care about and that's why the ending was such a talk other than that it was better just it really mr buttrill you know every once in a while you you know you let loose a turd that doesn't smell as bad as the other turd there's one thing that two turds have in common is they're both shit but i didn't need the turd that fan on this stuff. So it's okay. Language, Jason.

I didn't turn the fan on. Yeah. I feel like they the writers are obligated to tie a bow on all the characters because I guess that should be sympathetic. There is an audience out there that really liked fear.

I mean, I think it's, I don't know. It was a smaller audience, but yes, they were out there, absolutely. And some of these characters were gone and not really ever put the bed. Right. Or put the coffin. Or put to Walker.

However you want to say it. So they're trying to like bring all these characters back so they can give them a final send-off. Yeah. And the only problem is for viewers like me is that I don't care about any of these characters. So it's real. I'm sure it was a great episode. If you really like the character Charlie. If you really liked her, if you had some kind of.

emotional connection to her, you really like this episode. And you were probably very, very sad at the end of the episode. And it was, look, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a big tie for the show because she obviously, you know, killed Nick and it was good to, you know, the Iron Tiger and she's trying to do good. Yeah, that Nick names. That was like, that's like a call sign. If you, when you were a kid could pick your own call sign.

I was right. I'm going to be crazy. It was just CB handle. you will be fire breeding dragon and he's nighthawk break one knock go ahead iron tiger go ahead break one nine i mean you got it's awesome that's good stuff right there everybody has to have a a cb handle you have to a cool one yeah absolutely so i mean it was and it was so it was fascinating to see uh charlie uh you know climb out of the cab but uh that was the reveal that's what cracked me up. This big reveal.

They wouldn't show her face and turned him up as Charlie. I was like, uh, okay. I know, Charlie though, looking all badass. Look at all all, uh, Fear of the Walking Dead Goth. Uh, looking good. I don't know if I would describe that as badass. I like Fear of Walking Dead Goss.

I feel like Walking Dead emo. Yeah. It's looking good. She looked in. She didn't look bad. Sorry to see her go. Okay. What? Oh, so sorry.

Pulled at my heartstrings. I was like, I can't get through this episode for more reason. You would have been mad if it was Daniel to go, though. Oh, yeah, there's no doubt about that. Well, we'll get to the end later, but Daniel really made dad happy at the end of the episode when he called out Madison. Yeah, he should have just killed her, though. See, there's another one of this type of. I can't take you anymore.

I've had enough. We're done. He's like, I think there's one writer that's like, I'm going to make this character the outlet for the people that really don't like this show. and like so I'm going to secretly call everything out. So when he's like, I've had enough, I'm getting out of here. We're like, right? Can I go with you? Can the camera follow you instead of following her?

That'd be amazing. We had the other big reveal at the convenience store too that we showed up. You know, they've been living in this area for, I don't know how long. And all of a sudden we stumble upon another convenience store that no one knew about with the old sign. Take what you need. Leave what you don't. Leave what you don't. Thanks, Morgan.

Everything is just a perfect socialist union. We all get along. It's a utopia. Because that's how it works in a post-apocalyptic world. It sure is. If a group of people, if half a person, let's say a half a person. So just from the waist down, but he's somehow walking around and sentient. With the starfish stuck to his head.

With the starfish and barnacle stuck to his head, if he shows up and sees a full convenience store full of goods, he's not just going to raise the whole thing. He won't do it. He'll just take a stick of gum. Just take what he needs. Carry on. Leave the rest. Did you forget Morgan was the one? Morgan was the one that came up with this idea,

and that's why they did it for like a whole season? And it was stupid then. And it was stupid then. Thank you. Because people are inherently great. They're angels. They wouldn't take advantage. Now, we found that out even in the episode.

It was just, you know, so anyway, we had the big fight. And that, of course, was where, you know, Madison, this keeps, for some reason, because there was a few walkers with one arm, which was a great move on Troy's bar, by the way just to have a bunch of walkers with one arm so it keeps bugging her thinking that it's Alicia that was a good move I like that one a lot you know so she starts banging on the window banging for the walkers okay all right calm down that's when they should have killed her again and they almost did the one that once the walkers broke through but no broke my heart was almost close and that's where we had the big reveal

of luciana showing up another one that can I You know, I Daniel always cared about it. I get bringing her back because, like you said, you know, Jason, we're tying up all the loose ends of the show.

And if you haven't been sent to Walker Coffin or whatever you've been sent to, then we have to bring you back. But, okay, so Luciana comes back. Great. And she's the one running.

She's got several convenience stores. She's delivering gas. And she's made a deep. deal with somebody she doesn't want to tell us who where the gas comes from where the refinery is okay all right great yeah I mind that one less like I'm like okay you know she it made sense it's you know the character is better but Charlie makes no sense to me why even bother I can see why you bother bringing back Luciana why even bother Charlie Because one, she was on the rafts when they all got sent away.

And two, she was the one that killed Nick. And Madison didn't know that. That's the main reason why. But Fear the Walking Dead Extra number 12 was also on the rafts. And I see Feel the Walking Dead Extra number 12 in the same regard as Charlie. Except a lot of people don't. She's a named character. Except no, she was a strong character for the show.

Yeah, she was. So strong. Oh, she was. She killed off one of the lead characters. Didn't know what. Which was awesome. Which was awesome. Which was awesome.

I want to go back to our podcast when that happened. I'm sure we were all three just distraught. I'm sure we were torn up by the fact that you. I remember recording that. We were all mad that Nick died because he was one of the better characters. Well, he was, he was. The druggy? Yeah, he was starting to become a decent character.

That's because he started to take on Morgan's beliefs before he died, remember? Oh, I'm sure I was just totally in love with that as well. Someone do the research. I'm sure my reaction then was exactly the same as it is now. I hated Nick. Could not stand him. Even when he was eating Walker Brain? I was a fan of that.

He wasn't eating it. He was smoking it. Oh, yeah, he was smoking Walker Brain, right? I apologize. Don't remind me. how air quote awesome this has been such a great ride awesome

so at the end Luciana kicks out Madison we're all done with Madison because Madison sent Charlie a suicide mission basically into whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we didn't know that it was a suicide

mission until the end okay I wanted Charlie to go in and kill Troy the term suicide mission doesn't always involve an actual suicide. Just this mission happened to actually involve that. I guess since we're going to talk

about suicide, we have to say if you or someone you love are facing suicidal thoughts, dial 988 at any time. Okay, that's the suicide and crisis lifeline available to you 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Okay. So, Madison sends

Charlie into kill Troy. And so Troy has got the truck surrounded. I'm sorry, Troy has got the Iron Tiger surrounded. Oh, God. And so she's talking to Madison

and when the door opens, she doesn't shut the L.C.B. radio off. She leaves it on. Now, that was just dumb. Just dumb. Yeah, I agree. She was in. She was doing what she was sent to do. And I get it. That's the storyline, man.

They had to find out. Okay. All right. Fine. But I just felt like that didn't need to happen. Yes. You know, she was, she wanted her to come back because she left Nick's bone dust in a can for her with a letter. All right. Great. Thank you.

Appreciate it. We got to have the whole story. If we went back to where we buried them, we dug them up and cremated them, put them in this can, we've been carrying them around all this time because we don't know where the best place is to throw the bone dust. Okay. All right, sure. You got me. That's what you've been doing.

That's what you've been doing. No problem. So they get into it. Troy is obviously taken over the Strand Hotel. We did. Through that, though, we never did see Hans Fronson. Not this episode, but they said. Whatever, Luca.

Klaus. Very Klaus, whatever his name is. Hans, Franz, Luca. I can't. I just, I can't. And it's Frank. Yeah, Frank. At least try to remember names from recent episodes.

I get it if it's 20 episodes back. That's one of them. I don't care. I know their characters. It's okay. I'm with them. But no, they're on the island. Like, that's where they were taken.

They were taken to the Padre Island, basically. Okay. That's what Stran said. Oh, because Stran said with that with Daniel's people, the people there when they split up on the boats, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, my God.

They're so, they're such pivotal characters. How dare you forget about them? I don't dare you. I apologize. I'm saying trying to remember recent characters. So then we're looking. We're back at the hotel and Troy starts freaking out over some kid, right? That was out at the, it was out presumably not in the hotel and out at the tanker, at the tanker that exploded.

And he starts freaking out all in that. And so again, here's another character that should be dead because he's a bad guy. We're faced with he's a bad guy. And we want him dead. And we have an opportunity to kill him, yet we don't. I really, that whole mindset, I don't understand. I didn't understand that entire encounter. Because you had, so there's two sides opposed to each other, pointing guns.

but everyone was running past each other's lines and it was just weird. I don't know. I was like, wait, are they hostile to each other? Or are they just like, eh? Kind of hostile? Well, after basically Troy ran off looking for his kid, which we find out later,

hey, he has a kid and he blames Madison for the mom's death, even though we don't know who the mom is yet. After that, basically, things went haywire and I don't think anybody cared at that point. We never did find out who the mom was. No, we don't. That's going to be a reveal, I guess. Yeah, hostile encounters don't work like that.

I mean, for they can. It's an option. All right. All right. Okay. Who's wrecking these episodes? All right. Not you.

Okay. Aren't you calm down? Barney Fife, apparently, is writing these episodes, and he's just doing a bang-up job. So, all right. So then we, you know, know, Charlie feels that the only way to stop this whole thing is to commit suicide. Okay, well, sorry about it, but see you later. Take care. I was genuinely surprised we got that. That was a surprise.

Well, yeah, I guess so. I guess it was kind of surprising, especially after all the time had passed and she was trying to do all this good. and I guess the forgiveness of Madison hadn't shown through yet, so she was still feeling sad about killing Nick for some reason. She also didn't want to give up Padre. Yeah, okay. I mean, we still are on this utopian Padre thing, and I just... Because they want to build it. Her initial introduction to the show was with Metro Negan, wouldn't it?

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. At the ballpark. Right. Because that's what Madison let her in. That's what Madison let her in and then she betrayed them to Metro Negan. Who was the one that killed Dory?

Oh, that was the, that was, uh, the, I can't, dang, I can't remember her name. The, the cowboy girl's, uh, sister. So that wasn't Charlie? No, it was not Charlie. That was the cowboy girl. It was the cowboy's girl's sister that got killed by the nuke, who went along with, who went along with Teddy. There's been so many of these characters. I'm having a hard, like, kind of similar.

Like, I wouldn't say her and Charlie are similar. They were very different. One was insane. And they went along with one. Charlie was totally sane. Charlie, I was just going to say Charlie was totally sane. Did she go along with... She blew her brains out.

Yeah. But did she go along with the serial killer who wanted to nuke the world? I don't think so. Should they go around with Metro Negan, though? So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And she tried to pretend that she was, you know, going along with doing good this whole time, but really didn't matter to her.

What was her stupid name? You're right, the cowboy, the cowboy girl. Okay. The girl in charge of the cowboy camp. The cowboy camp girl was Ginny. I remember that. Yeah, that's Jenny. Her sister.

Yeah. Yeah, her sister was the one that killed Dory. Ha! It's hilarious. So anyway, they start fighting, and that's when we find out. that, you know, now we're, now we're all mad. So we're at the point now where Troy is still alive. We're guessing.

Dakota. Dakota. Dakota. Both north and south. But that's who killed John Dory. The, uh... Cowboy Charlie. Maybe just call her that.

Cowboy Charlie. I like that. Dakota. Cowboy Charlie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't know if Troy's kid is still alive, although we're assuming I guess that she is. She did because she wasn't in the tractor that exploded. And of course, if you're a little kid and a gas tanker explodes, you live. That's the way it works.

So we don't know if she's still alive, but Troy is still alive. Madison is now off on our own. She leaves, right? Daniel doesn't want anything to do with her. Daniel's pissed at her. And funny enough. Luciana doesn't want anything to do with her. Strand is just strand. Going off to delete another community. Yeah.

That's his destiny. Yeah. That's his thing. This is what he does. This is what he does. At this time, he's going to go off. He's got Hans Franz and Luca or whatever their names are. What's their names again?

I'm not doing it this time. You name Hans, Franz, and Luca. Luca is that way he's Hans Franz and Luca? I should give him their names. They don't know what their names. That's what I was asking. Yes, you do. I don't.

Anyway, it's, uh... I love that part where, where, uh, Madison is like, no, it's got to be you that does it. And then the, her continued dialogue kind of started playing off in my head or an alternate dialogue of like, I know we do this to you every time. But we're seriously, for reals this time. Like super serial. This time you're going to be able to handle it. Yeah.

I know you've betrayed us every single time, but you have to do it. She doesn't know that. She doesn't know that for one. Madison wasn't there for the tower. I'm going to give her some insider information at this point because of how ridiculous this all is. But no, and Daniel was mad at her. It's funny because we all, funny enough, at the end of it, me and my dad, me and dad were just like, yes, we agree with you, Daniel. Thank you.

Get rid of her. You are the voice of the people. If you don't want, if you feel bad about actually killing her, just take the oxygen tank and send her on her way. That's all you have to do. But all she has to do is turn around and look under the next rock and she's going to find another oxygen. I did not realize that in the future, oxygen tanks actually did grow on trees. But they do. That's awesome.

I love that. That's awesome. So then Madison walks off. And are you still looking? If that's her that walked off, she's still looking pretty hot if she walks away. Just saying. Anyway, I watch the full scene. Not too bad.

Yeah. But what's weird, though, about this? I think we've had this conversation before, but every time she would get mad and go into a rage, it's as if you and I were trying to act that scene out. We're not acting as we would suck at it.

She is awful. Okay, so maybe you'd be, you're better than I am. The thing is, I have seen her in other things. She is a good actor. I know, but she was horrible last night. Like, that was awful. It just sucked. Do you think it's just fear that does it?

Do you think it's just fear? I do. Actually, I do. I think part of it's the writing. It doesn't make sense. She can't get into the character because the character is ludicrous, ridiculous. So, yeah, I do. I think it's just fear. I think she was in some of anarchy. She was great. She was in Deadwood. She does a good job of selling how much she loves the character, though, when, you know, on the promotional tours and everything. While that hasn't happened because of the strike, she definitely has in the past sold, you know, how much she loves the part and how meaningful it is. but it certainly doesn't come across. Yeah, because the Walking Dead writers aren't writing that script for her, for her to sell the character. She, she like, that's all over.

So she can act, you know, but when they give her a script, it's like, everything goes out the- The thing is, I said, that's 100% true. I said this after the episode, I looked at dad, and with everything he said during the episode, like, him agreeing with everybody, like, or like, good job, Madison, you know, good job. Like, when, when Charlie actually did shoot herself, we all knew, okay, Madison, that's on you.

Like, we all knew that. But the thing is, I said this to Dad, and he agreed with me. I made him tell me the truth on this one, because he likes saving this for the show. I said, I think Madison Clark for Jeff Fisher is the worst character in Walking Dead history for him that he hates the most. Because even characters from world beyond that he liked or disliked, the ones he disliked, and the ones we all dislike from World on were somewhat forgettable. You can't forget Madison Clark and how bad she is.

Because they keep ramming her down our throats. They keep teasing me with killing her and don't. That's just, yeah, that's 100% true. She's number one on the list. That's why I was so happy when they announced her return. I think if you look back on the episodes, that we have done, you'll know that I was, man. I remember telling the story, but I got to tell it again.

I was out of town when that got announced, but I watched that announcement live, and I was watching it live because I was like, oh, what's the big announcement going to be on Talking Dead? What's the one Hardwick got? And then they show her, like, Madison Clark is coming back to Fear the Walking Dead. I start laughing because I immediately get a text that just goes, oh, no.

Like, that's it. Just, oh, no. And I get nothing else. So bad. So bad. So we're wrapped up. Madison is off on our own. That's where we're at. Strand is, I guess, going back to run hookah-luka and Hess. What was their names again? Now you're going Hawaiian. Hans Franz and Luca. Yeah, Hans Franz and Luca. Yeah, Hans Franz and Luca. And Daniel is off with Luciana. So that next week, we go to characters that I see are just, we're not even going to get any of these new.

character, any of the action that we had from these characters going on now. We get Dwight and Sherry. We get Dwight and Sherry in June again. And they're back. I guess I'll give you the title of the episode, Sanctuary. So. Dude, we saw, when I watched the trailer, I was like, oh,

Dwight's back. Okay, I guess he's not leaving the show. Because we knew Sherry wasn't. But I was like, oh, I guess Dwight's not leaving the show. But then I watched it. I'm like, are they in the sanctuary? because it looked like big concrete walls, a metal barbed fence. Oh, is that what's happening? Yep, and that's the title of the show, Sanctuary. Oh, wow, that's kind of cool.

So we'll see. Well, you say that, Jason Butchell. You say that, and I'll play that back again in the office. That's kind of cool, because it's going to be a Dwight Sherry thing all over again. Yeah, but when they're insufferable, and I guarantee you at one point, she's going to be like, well, I'm leaving. And he's going to be like, well, I'm going to go to their separate ways. Just remember, after their kid died, they officially broke up and went their separate ways.

It don't matter, Max. It don't matter. At one point, we just assume off camera, Sherry apologizes and says, I'm sorry. And Dwight's like, I am too, babe. I'm sorry, baby. I love you. Here's the thing. If there's a few, like I've said, there are some highs of fear of the walking dead.

They're rare, but they're there. One of the highs has been Dwight, honestly. He's been one of the best characters in this show. Like, I get it. They kind of brought him downhill a bit over, like, one or two after some of the seasons. But especially when he was introduced, looking for Sherry, and when he found her, that was a hell of a good arc. Yeah, it was. Yeah, the problem is they break him up every episode.

So I'm like, what is the point of the arc? I agree, Dwight's, because he's more familiar and he's from the mothership show. I'd like to see more of him. Yeah, I think that's the reason. Just because he's from the mothership. Still got, we're still hanging on to that. And then Morton,

because Morgan's gone and he's going off to probably Rick and Michaud. And just the idea of a full episode of back on something we're familiar with just sounds so refreshing. It does. Like if there's actual saviors, you know,

and they could even get some of the same actors. I don't know if they could, but hopefully it will be. Yeah, that would be. All right, so there's the, you know what? I'm stopping right there. I'm leaving out a high.

I know. We'll look forward to the sanctuary. Can't wait. Should be exciting with Dwight and Sherry. And you know, you know, Dwight. I'm sorry, baby. I love you. That's what's going to happen. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, and myself, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead.