Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S8 E9 | Talking Walking Dead | Fear Edition

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Fear Edition  Season Eight Episode Nine     SHOW TITLED: Sanctuary     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  Dwight and Sherry confront the demons of their past to secure a better future for themselves.     Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 8, Episode 9, The Walking Dead, Fear of the Walking Dead edition, titled Sanctuary. Episode description on IMDB, Dwight and Sherry confront the demons of their past to secure a better future for themselves. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butrell, and Maximus Fisher bring you Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Jason, Maximus, episode 9, I will say it was probably in my eyes a better episode. the other episodes were, but then that doesn't necessarily make it great. But I enjoyed seeing the flashbacks and the whole sanctuary thing. But once again, there were some, there were some issues with the other. I'm sure that Jason, you're champing at the old horse bit to tell us some of those issues.

Well, yeah, I mean, it's fear, right? So it's going to have those issues. But I mean, so the premise was dumb. Sherry coming back to grab Dwight again, you know what I mean, to link them up again because he's the only one that can help them in this fight. It's a dumb premise, but it was the best episode of the series so far. Yeah. Yeah.

It was the best episode. Now, I will say at the end of the episode, I wish I was recording because Max is going down the list of, well while you're in the neighborhood, why don't you stop by? See, just about maybe 10, maybe 15 miles down the road. There's a place called Alexandria. Look, Dwight, I know it's been a while. A lot of things have changed. So if you go check there, there's a place that they're a part of now called the Commonwealth.

I bet they'd gladly help with the Padre situation. How much more enjoyable would this show be if that happened? Right. Right. Ezekiel's the leader of Commonwealth. He'd be glad to help. I guarantee it. I was thinking the same thing.

I was like, gee, I wonder where there's going to be world-class medical services, just a few minutes down the road. And we get none of it. We get none of it. And we get to the sanction.

You know, he obviously gets back to the, you know, their original house. And it's all just heartbreaking. And the picture. You get the flashback to Daryl, like saying,

I never want to see you again. Right. Of course, there's still fuel in the lamp. Hey, guys, just for my own sanity. And I think Max is the best person to answer this. So where are the events? So Padre is what, off the coast of Texas? Is that right?

I don't know where Padre is. I'm thinking. It's right there. It's down the road, make a laugh. I'm thinking like coast of Texas may be Louisiana. Right. Like that maybe we were in the swamps, right? Mississippi, Louisiana, somewhere in there.

So now for the for the audience, where is the sanctuary? Virginia, D.C. area. We know this. Okay. I just want to put that out there out there because there's sound. It's almost like they're just going to grandma's house across the, you know, across the city. The truck that they're driving is good gas. It's great gas mileage.

So don't worry about it. I was thinking, I was thinking, I was thinking, Wow, Dwight really traveled a while on foot, which like Morgan did. Remember, Morgan did that when he went down to Texas. That took a while. He walked it. And that took a long time. Like they showed, that took a long time.

But fuel is such an issue that they're having to get it refined from Luciana or whatever. It's like, that's fuel is a big issue. Yes. But not apparently for this one truck. This one truck is just amazing. Let's run on solar panels, I guess. No problem. It's good to go.

I don't even worry about it. It's incredible. Plus then we ran into the new sanctuary crowd, the Mad Max sanctuary guys. And I don't know. I just kind of feel like we've come down the road quite a ways. I would think that they would be tougher and smarter than they were. Yeah, I was hoping for like a remnant, like a holdover, like someone that had been there in the past that was like... They're all dead.

But they could movie magic that, you know, like the world. one dude or girl or whatever. There could be one hanging on. Yeah. And you know who that one hanging called. Remember Dwight. I mean, I guess so. But the one that was hanging on is freaking Croat in New York.

So. Yeah. But I mean, the point is they easily could have just, you know, did TV magic and flood that. One of the Mad Max guys could have been a gardener at the sanctuary. Something like that. Yeah. Absolutely. But it's been so cool.

I kept waiting for it. Like if, like, you know, Dwight is peering in and they're all kneeling before this new guy. It would have been awesome. That would have been cool. Yeah. But whatever. Of course,

the building is crumbling. And I thought, I thought the building would be in a lot better shape than that. I did not get that at all. How it was, the concrete was literally splitting in two. I was like, that's what happens when you,

when you have, you know, dead people walking around like that. The walkers are going to crum. I mean, it's, I, I,

I'm trying. trying to think here. Maybe it's just like because it was never kept up and it's just old and dilapidated now. Yeah, I mean, that's what they're, that's their, that's what they're trying to make us believe. And obviously, that's the way, that's the way they worked it. But it does seem a little strange. So apparently, because we did watch the little like behind the scenes thing, Jason, something interesting. They didn't use the original, like, set. They actually had to rebuild the sanctuary set where they're, where they're filming. And they did a good job rebuilding that set. they were all happy about that

and it was kind of cool and you know I did enjoy you know seeing the the iron hanging there of course we have to see that and the you know the old rooms and you know that was that was fun and having the flashbacks was kind of fun it would have been it would definitely

would have been better had one of the Mad Max crowd remembered and also I mean all this time and we have not, like after our group destroyed the sanctuary

and maybe that's where the walls started crumbling and stuff because we, they had the wars there, the battle there. Well, remember, we, for a while, we try, Rick tried to, like, make it one part of the actual group. Like after, after he'd capture Negan, Rick tried to actually, like,

bring the saviors in to their group and actually like, make, have them live with with everybody in the sanctuary, but nothing grew there. Nothing would work there because it was a factory. Right. Well, I mean, Negan had his group going out and about for the farmers to give food to the crowd.

No question. And that's exactly what happened. I mean, it was fun to see that. The Dwight Sherry thing, I don't know. I'm kind of over that. I mean, I really am. It's just that whole Dwight Sherry thing. I know there, you know, it's love forever.

And we made insignias in the wall and where it's with you and me forever. But is it? Is it? And the end, I was just, I just facepalmed the entire ending like monologue where he's like, I left, but I shouldn't have left. And I came back. Now I'm coming back. I was like, how many times have the two of them between the two of them said almost the same? The exact same words.

Probably at least five. We're family. You know what I'm upset about, though? Every time there's savior stuff like either mentioned or something. like you, or whatever, I'm always upset when they don't play

Easy Street. They have to do that at least once. There was a song when he was walking through and I was like, oh, how do they not play Easy Street?

I know. What a fail. Definitely that. Definitely. But, of course, they don't. Because there's too much

of a tie to the main show, though, right? That's why. I wouldn't say so because they did a ton of ties to the main show. It's so funny the one episode that's salvageable is just a big flashback to the main show.

Right. The one salvageable. And then of course, you know, of course, Dwight gets shot. Of course, Sherry goes out to, you know, shoot a million walkers with eight bullets. I don't understand that. And, of course, the fence falls on her. Okay. Oh.

So Dove, aka. Dessa. Why did she leave and go get shot to begin with? I didn't catch that part. Why did she leave? She was trying to run away, but then she got shot, so she came back. She was going to abandon them there to go back

to Padre? I don't know if she was going to go back to Padre, but she was tired of being with them, right? That was the premise. At least that's what I took from it. And then she was attacked by the Mad Max crowd, and And obviously got away and was shot through the glass, but only in her stomach.

And it was really weird. And then returned back to the house. See, that was some of the issues that were just kind of annoying. Her entire character is really annoying, but she did say some. Like, I was rolling my eyes and shaking my head, but she did say, this is why you guys can't save us because you can't drop your stupid crap. And I was like, there's some truth to that. There's truth there. There's truth there.

As you're like, Dwight, get over it. Sherry, get over it. June, get over it. That's like, we've all been saying that forever. Yes. That was, that was nice. No question about it. And then it was, of course, we're going to save ourselves inside of,

we're going to save ourselves inside the sanctuary. In the furnace. I will say I didn't love back up a little bit. I didn't love when a Mad Max guy first conunders. fronts Dwight in the sanctuary and Dwight throws him in the furnace. That was awesome. Like, you don't know who you're messing with. I've been through this.

And like exactly how Negan did that one doctor. Yeah. Yeah. This has happened before, bro. Yeah. And that's, and that would have been a good time for someone of the other. I'm actually out to go,

Dwight. Right? And then bring back a little bit of the sanctuary notice, remembering that, oh yeah, this is, this is Dwight. He was here in the beginning.

Yeah. But, you know, obviously they didn't, and it's... They got it... They can't deliver you a cool episode, Jeffie. They have to tease you with a cool episode. So all these things that you know would make it better, they can't actually give it to you. Well, they did.

That's fear. They did. That's for sure. Another thing we've gotten to a cool episode, and I'll say there is one episode in fear that I will say is genuinely cool that I've seen, is the episode, is the flashback episode with John Dory

where we see where he kind of began him living in the house, him just going to, him just living alone before June washed up. That was cool, in my opinion. Yeah, those are enjoyable. I think the best, now it's the final season. You know, this is almost over, what, two episodes left?

Three, three or four. So, like, I think bar none the height of this show, the very best episodes are like the very first few. First three or four episodes were the best episodes of this entire series. Well, we definitely had

higher expectations then. We definitely expected things to happen that didn't. You know, we really wanted there were, I'll give you that. I haven't gone back and watched them. darn the luck.

You know, you're right because although I expected after viewing the first three or four whenever, however long it was, we realized that we're not going to get what we wanted. Because we really, we were teased with we were going to get the entire beginning of the dead. And we never got it.

Well, it was, yeah, there was this cool tension in the, in the very, very beginning. Because remember, like, they were in Los Angeles, I think. I didn't know exactly what was going on. Every once in a while a Walker would pop up. Like, I think Nick was like doing drugs somewhere, like a crack house or something. Yeah, it was girlfriend. O'D, right? something like that yeah yeah then then just walkers pop up and like they're terrified because they've

no clue what what the hell's going on there's news reports they're driving by walkers attacking other people that was cool but that's the kind of thing they did it that's the kind of thing they did in darrell too in paris at the very beginning when she was seeing you know the reports were just they weren't nobody knew exactly what was happening but it was still was still happening yeah those are good times yeah that was dope in the dead world yeah those are good times in the dead world yeah Those are good times in the dead world. But then it ended where I think they were going to Strand's boat and they looked back, the city was a flame. And you knew that they weren't going to be in the city anymore.

They were going out on the ocean. And we were like, wait, what? That's kind of not where we want them to go. Correct. And then it just kind of fell off the rails after that. Yes. We've had some, I know a lot of season one and three, like a lot of that stuff isn't that good. But when Morgan showed up, we had some great, I think we had some great moments.

like John Dory, Al, like some of the CRM stuff. Like, we've had some, like any, a lot of things with Teddy, in my opinion. I know we're going to go over to this in our finale retrospective, but I just thought... Wait, we're having a finale retrospective? Aren't we? Well, yeah, we've got three episodes left, and I think the last two are on the same night. Yeah. The last two are on the same night the Sunday before Thanksgiving.

So that means that we'll do, you know, we'll do the final retrospective that day. And we'll be done until Rick and Michan. Yep. Right. So that happens in February. We're supposed to anyway. That's what we're told. Nice.

Yeah, I know. Something to look forward to through the holidays, no question. I don't know. I did enjoy the sanctuary stuff. It is a little, I know we have to let things go, which we have. Oh, here we go. I know we have to let things go, and I get it. But, you know, like, what Dove is saying, you can't let stuff go,

and June is still whining about her daughter. And we've, I mean, those days are long gone. I mean, we do have to get past all that. And I know, you know, Dwight and Sherry are worried about their kid named after a bird. I got it. I got it. Okay. But, uh, you know, and of course, look, it's a fence on top of the furnace. Yeah. It's a sign. Okay. Okay.

It's just, it's heartwarming is what it is. Heartwarming. With this show, I think I've learned to be able to get through it just by trying to appreciate the little minor things that are cool that might happen. And there was a lot of Walker fighting. There was a lot of, There's some good walkers this episode. There was some good walkers. There was some good walkers time to the chain, the metal helmet walkers. Yeah.

Those definitely were being used as soldiers for someone, which was kind of cool. Yeah, and the familiar setting was cool, the sanctuary. I mean, that stuff was cool. It's just the biggest issue is we do not give a crap about any of the characters, really. Dwight a little bit, even though he's very annoying. Well, it's just funny. I kind of like Dwight by himself, but when Sherry's introduced, I've, I, I do too. I really like the way down his own.

I love that scene. I'll admit, I love that scene when he came back to the house and Jay was dead, the guy he was getting insulin for, and he kills him. They just sits down. He remembers Daryl, like, telling him, hey, make it right. And he's just screaming, I tried. You should have killed me when you had the chance. It's so funny. When Sherry showed up, I was like, oh, here's Sherry. I just assumed that she had found another group that she was running around with now. I did too.

I didn't think it was the other Podger people. Exactly. Here it is again. She was with June last time. I know what I thought she was with another had found another group. I absolutely thought the same thing.

That's exactly what she does every single time. But no, she actually, you know, I guess likes June for some reason and Dev, we're good to go and we all believe in the greatness of what Padre can be. So I did, staring at it ahead, was going to talk about do what oh when dwight was talking about uh killing himself and why don't

you kill me and stuff i feel like that's every character that's now alive every good character that's now alive i mean you don't you're not going to kill yourself you haven't killed yourself by now you know that it's take what it takes to survive but you do ask yourself you know why am i still alive why am i still here in this new world um and maybe that's the maybe that's the inside struggle and maybe you're here to create Padre and make things better for the future. Okay. Yeah, but now Strain's in charge of Padre leading into what we saw at the end of the episode. Yeah, that was fun.

That was fun seeing Strand dragon, the little kid. That's Troy's kid, right? Yeah. Drag her in to help me save Padre. Okay. All right. We'll see. Well, see.

What did you think of that, Jason? I don't know, man. It felt like here goes Strand being evil again. That's what it felt. That's Troy's daughter. They were looking for her last episode, like at the end of it. Yeah. I don't know.

We're seeing him with the beret on and like, I don't know. It's just we've grown so accustomed to Strand, you know, tapping into his dark side and then never learning a single thing and then getting run off by the, at the end. Except now with him in charge of. like kind of Padre and what's supposed to be our group having to help him because we're on his side now.

It's going to be interesting to see where this goes. Hey, well, the next three episodes, we have Keeping Her Alive. Madison makes a discovery that could lead her to the answer she seeks. So, I mean, what does what does she find?

Remnants of Alicia's poop and we know that she's alive and we have to search for her? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just asking. I'm just coming up with ideas. Alicia being alive makes way more sense to me than them finding her dead. Yes, absolutely. Yes.

And then the final two are fighting like you. The horde led by Troy surrounds the walls of Padre. Madison and her people must fight for their survival to save what remains. So are we going to have another big, that's just another stadium fight around Padre, right?

With a horde of walkers and Troy wanting to get his daughter back and taking over Padre. So we're fighting that. Who comes to the rescue? Does Dwight and Sherry come up from the rear and fight, or are they inside by that time? Are they back? Because it only takes, what, a couple hours to get from Virginia to Louisiana?

People don't know about that, but yeah, that's completely true. Yeah, well, you just take the express lanes. And then the last road, the road ahead, as the series comes to an end, thank you, Jesus. The fate of Padre's survivors, seems to rest in the hands of an unexpected hero. So they're all dead, one person left standing. Is that Alicia? What it sounds like.

They're not really hinting, but I mean, that makes the most sense. Alicia's standing at the top of the wall of Padre with one arm. One arm and a bunch of oxygen tanks from mom. Whatever, what a bunch of oxygen takes for mom. Mom is just at the bottom of the wall, dying because they're out of oxygen. We haven't killed her yet. I mean, they're never going to kill her. It's never going to kill her.

Like the teasing they give you is some of my favorite ones. Maddening. Maybe they will. I mean, maybe that is what the good thing that comes of Fear of the Walking Dead is that we finally get the real death of Madison. That would be awesome. That would be awesome, but they won't do that. I think that if they bring Alicia back, that'll be the Madison has undergone all this, you know,

heartbreak and tragedy, but she's finally reunited with her family, you know, at the end, where it all began. What if Daniel dies? Yeah, all those guys might die. Daniel, Strand, maybe Sherry, with the white left, holding her in his arms, crying at the end. I thought that they were going to kill off Dwight this episode.

I kind of did. I'm surprised they didn't. See, I think that as much as it's agonizing, a death of Sherry or Dwight would be, would suck more than Strand, any of the others. Yeah, it would. Because it's because we've known them longer, I guess.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they're right. They're from the main show. Absolutely. And the biggest heartstring pull of this entire series was the two of them, bar none. The biggest emotional response from the audience was that one. When, when, like the episode when they were in the, the rat building and they, like, and then he gets, he, he, he's on the radio.

He's like, well, Sherry, like, he hears her and he runs outside and there she is. That's one of the best scenes in the show. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right. So, I mean, we have, we have the final three episodes to look forward to. And believe me, I am looking forward to them. because then we'll be done.

Then we're on to Rick and Micheimshone in February. I'm interested to see how they are going to wrap it up. But I think it's probably going to be it. We have Alicia standing on the wall, raising her one arm and the other one just hanging off the side of her. Maybe she snaps the Troy's metal piece that he had back on and says she's back. Put her name on the handicap.

parking space there at the front of Padre and we're moving on. I don't know. We'll see. I don't know who else the unexpected hero could be. Who cares? At the end, whoa, whoa. Whoa. I mean, we do. That's right. We do. It's Al and her helicopter

girlfriend and this leads into Rick and Michoen. I would like that. I would like that too. Yeah. I would like that too. Or it's Madison's husband and Lisa's dad flies in, comes back

with Al and they just come in with the helicopters and save the place. He's screaming out of the helicopter window. They never showed a body. We told you. He's dead. I'm still alive.

I'm still alive. I love you. That's good. I want that to happen. I want that to happen. All right. Jason, final thoughts of this episode, episode, what is it? Episode 9?

Yeah, but like I said, best episode by far of this season, the first half and the second half, by far, the best one. But, again, that's not saying a whole heck of a lot. Right, right. Maximus. I agree with Jason. This has been the best episode this season so far. uh maybe there have been some scenes here and there in different episodes that are better but like as an episode this one's one this one's definitely one of the better ones uh we're we're in the we're in the final three

area now so fear's almost done boys we're on we're in the third we're in the third uh walk we're in the third walking dead show that's ending we've had funny enough world beyond the newest show ended the quickest we had then we had the original Walking Dead and now we're having fear after, by the way, fear's been going on for eight years. That is pretty incredible. I mean,

they have not let this go. It is incredible how they have not let this go. And it's almost like it's a, it's a kind of a time slot hit. And by that, I mean, it's because of the Walking Dead, fear has stayed alive with the crossovers and the,

just even the subtle ties to the main show has kept this show alive. Oh, no question. If it was on its own, no one would be watching this, I don't think. I don't think so either. I mean, they've clearly got a base of people that, I guess, grew up watching this and liked this show. But I don't see how that carries it into being re-uped for another season.

No way. And yet, eight freaking years. Nuts. Absolutely is nuts. Anyway, okay, so let's wrap this thing up. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. I appreciate it. Jason Butchow, Maximus Fisher.

We'll see you next week for another edition of Talking. Walking Dead.