Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S9 E10 | The Walking Dead

Episode Date: February 18, 2019

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Season 9, episode 10 of the Walking Dead, and that makes this, of course, talking walking dead. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead with myself, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher. Of course, the IMDB, another arrival at the Hilltop colony, reveals information about the leader of a hostile new group of savages and a party searches for Alden and Luke. All right, so yes, it was enjoyable. No, it wasn't so great. I don't know. I've kind of torn between the episode, actually. Yeah, I liked it.

I was just... Okay, first of all, I want to start with this. Why can't we have gotten this episode for Negan back when they were really getting into Negan? Well, with the backstory. They should have, great. With the flashbacks. What a big, perfect.

They really are pushing the flashbacks with Alpha and the Wispers. Which was cool. Absolutely. Which we asked for. I dug it. We asked for that with Negan. Yeah, I'd say, but with Negan, that's exactly what we need. And that would be probably one of the better episodes in the series.

And it would have saved some of the audience, I think, with more of a Negan backstory. Right. And just this bad guy who's going to kill everybody with his bat. Right. You have a little bit of his backstory. Humanized him. Him explaining it, but we never actually got it. No, I know.

But no, we never got it. Right. We never got the feeling of him struggling with his family, struggling with his wife, struggling to the new world coming out. and then realizing that he needed to do this to survive. We never got that. And how did we not get anything at all on Negan tonight or last night? Nothing. We were at Hilltop, almost the entire time we were at Hillbaw.

Come on, man. I know. And you know exactly why, because they are trying to string these episodes out. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, why should we do that? And we can just like, we can do a whole episode, you know, later when Negan's going, come on, man. Like, you know that's exactly what we wanted to see.

We wanted to see that. wanting to get a lot of whisperer stuff, but we wanted to see the, like, what did, what happened after Negan walked into Alexandria with Judith? They were probably going to flip their crap once they see that. Well, we don't even know really that, uh, that, uh, Michelle knows, right? Because she was on her way back. I don't think Michelle never knew. Yeah, she was on her way back from Hilltop.

Oh, yeah. All that was going on. So she doesn't even know. They're both going to walk in together. Watch. You know what I mean? That would be, that would be funny. One road.

They're going to meet in the middle and she's going to be like, what the heck? Draws swords. I just went out for a walk. That would be something vegan would say too. Jews and I went out to lunch. And we're just coming back. Hey, fancy meeting you here. But yeah, but I enjoyed the episode.

I was just so pissed off because literally, and we've complained about this before, but last night it seemed even worse. Every, what, 90 seconds were cut into commercial? They couldn't even get a coherent sentence out. And even, it just seemed like every 90 seconds, but it did seem like there were quite a lot of commercials last night. It was almost as. Now look, they have to pay the bills.

I get it. Yeah. They got to pay the bills. Sure. I know. That didn't really bug me. I had to watch it on DVR. He watched it on DVR, so he just fast forward, which, by the way, by the-

That's the way to do it. Well, and remarkably, he watched it on DVR. And then it did actually bode well to the night every 90 seconds a commercial break because I was sitting there working and he was watching on DVR. The next thing I know he's done. so that's how fast the show was. And literally, what, did it take 15 minutes to watch it? I bet. 15, 20 minutes?

It's like he just started. I was like, it's over. Oh, okay. That's the way we should have watched it. Good gosh. It was good to see. I mean, I don't know. They're really pushing the Tara in charge,

taking the bull by the horns at Hilltop. That's okay, I guess. I know you don't like Tara that much. I'm not a little crazy about her, but okay. She seemed to be okay with taking the bull by the horns and being in charge, which, you know, okay. I guess. What about Magna and her group? They are agonizing. They need to make a decision.

They're either in or they're out, right? Well, they kind of already made that decision by the end of the episode. Okay. I don't get how they've survived solo. You've talked about this on other episodes. Like the people that like actively act stupid, like you probably shouldn't be alive still. You would be dead. It's natural selection.

He would absolutely be dead. She was talking about with that guy Luke or whatever. Is that his name Luke? Yeah. She's like, yeah, he's a survivor. He's in good hands. I was like, shut up. He's a fat guy that tells jokes and stuff and goes searching for musical instruments.

He's not a survivor. He would have been the first guy that freaking died. I'm sorry. I'm not buying the fact that he's in the level of like Daryl, you know, ultimate survivor. No, he's not. Not even close. He wouldn't even make it on the show survivor for crying out loud. Is he killing people with his trombone slide?

Come on. What about, okay, what about Yumiko? Give you a break. I don't know. She's the Asian girl with the bone-in-girl. Magna, though, homegirl is hot. She's got tattoos. I'm replacing, officially declaring on this podcast,

I am replacing that other chick. What's the name? Rosita. Whatever. I don't remember her. I'm sorry, girl. Cheating has its consequences. And that's just, you know,

talk about mess with the bull. You get the horns. She's getting the horns. You know what that just reminded me of something? Remember that scene when Gabriel was talking to Negan in the cell? And Negan said he heard Rosita talking outside and then Gabriel said, and I don't know, I don't want to hear what she knows about me through that. And he goes, who said she was talking about you?

Right. Right. Thank you. We always thought it was just Negan joking, but who knows? Yeah, no, it wasn't. See what I've had to deal with? The entire city of Alexandria, apparently, was like, in on this.

Multiple different people. I am done. Magna, you're the new it girl. Then after Rosita gets her head on a pike, he's going, and Gabriel's going to go after Magna. Dude, she's a German actress. Do you know that? I looked her up immediately today when I replaced Rosita with her.

She's a German actress, but has no German accent, but if you're not, I mean, I'm annoyed with all the Euro actors on the show. He just said she's not a Brit. At least she's not a Brit. She's definitely the Euro. So then we had my beautiful. My beautiful Henry is kind of agonizing. Who?

Hank. Hank. Got it. I saw the text. I saw the text. Oh, Hank. I can't take it, Hank. He's agonizing.

This is what Daryl needs to put an end to that. Only he won't because of Carol. Right. No way. I mean, that's tied to Carol. Right. And every so often he becomes, Hank becomes such a jerk. But then ever so often he's like,

oh, I'm glad you're friends with my mom. Just to win Daryl back over again when Daryl's about ready to put a crossbow on his skull. Yeah. So what is wrong with Henry? He should be smarter than he is. He should be smarter than he is. But I know that there, you know, that's the plot line, right?

Of Hank and Lydia. He should be certifiably crazy. But Hank has taken over for Carl. Carl, right? In the comics, because in the comics, Carl and Lydia are a thing. Right. And in fact, what we miss out on when Carl and Lydia meet in the comics is, Lydia Licking Carl's

Eye Socket In the comic book That's pretty awesome In fact Yeah it's real awesome I saw that the Walking Dead Not the Walking Dead AMC But the Walking Dead Twitter account

tweeted a picture of the Comic Book page Of Lydia licking Carl's eye socket saying We missed out on this now Really funny Really funny And then we have

I really did enjoy the alpha flashbacks because it really did enjoy what pushed her to the edge. Okay, so while we through this, because half the time I thought that she was just lying because there was like three different versions. Yeah, it seemed that way. Of the truth. Now, I was like, is she making this up to hide the fact

that her mom is like this total bad A and crazy? or is she actually conflicted and scrambled in her head? I think it's the latter. She's scrambled in the head. It feels that way, right? It does feel that way, because the stories were conflicted with the flashbacks from her telling the story. Yeah, and even Daryl said the most real one he said sounded like the one where his dad was a singing to her. Right.

So there was one version where her dad cuts his beard off. and says, you know, you always like this, and now I'm doing what I want to do. And then there's another version where the beard is still on and he gets bitten by the walker. Right. And then the last version was the mom had her hair chopped off. She was the crazy one,

and she stabbed the husband, her dad, with a knife at the end and killed him. I think the last one is the real one. Yeah, the last one does appear to be the real one, probably. It's just crazy, right? I mean, they were living in this basement, hiding out, and mom was crazy to begin with, really. I mean, let's, Alpha wasn't the loving homemaker anyway, right? She's the kind of whacked out of her mind anyway.

And then this happened, and she, you know, she grew strong. I do like the makeup of Alpha and the face. Oh, at the end. What happens, that's what happens when you wear, I don't know, dead people's faces on your face. Yeah. Your face gets kind of jacked up. Yeah. You have to admit, though.

That scene where you see Connie and Kelly walking in with the guards, and then you look up and you see just all the whispers walking forward. That scene was awesome. Yes. And look, the whispers, they've built it up to where it's going to be really cool. I don't know what kind of battle we're going to get next week. I hope that they don't. Next week we saw a little bit of the previews of what's going to happen,

but I think that's going to be the beginning, and then the rest of the episode is not going to be anything to do with Hilltop. You're going to get the beginning. I didn't see the preview. You're going to get the beginning where Alpha, again, asked for her daughter. And Darrell says, no, no. And the preview was a wrong answer. Oh, right, right.

And then they're going to go to probably the kingdom. Wrong answer. And then go to the kingdom as they're getting ready for the fair or whatever. Their parade that they're going to do. Right. I mean, literally, they could just show that opening scene where she says, his wrong answer, and that would be the entire episode. Because that would take about 15 minutes to get through.

You know, another 40 minutes of commercials. Fourty minutes of commercials. We're done. That's the next episode. So we have three segments for this half of the season. That literally could happen. I mean, who really cares what's going on at the kingdom at this point? Is there anything interesting at all going on over there?

Well, no, except that that's kind of another sacred ground, right? I mean, they're getting ready for their fair and they're still battling to stay alive. You've got the king and you've got Carol and you've got Jerry, right? They're still going to be alive. And the whisperers who know about Alexandria. No, the whispers don't know about Alexandria, I don't think. Yeah, they do. We've seen pictures of them watching Alexandria.

And we know that they know about Hilltop, but I don't think that they know about Kingdom except what Hank was telling Lydia. Yeah. Right. Are you going to keep calling Hank now? I think so. That's his new name. agonizing. Just because I think it ticks him off,

which makes me want to do it even more. Can I circle back around? This is a question for Max? In the comics, is Lydia also conflicted? Or does she hate her mom? Or how does she feel about her mom? She, I'll admit they made her a little, in the show, they made her a little more conflicted

than she is in the comics. She doesn't like her, she did like her mom for a little bit until she realized how bad her person she really was in the comics. but they didn't go into it as deep as they did in the show. Okay. So what they're probably doing is just setting up that she's kind of scrambled.

She doesn't, maybe she doesn't, but I bet she's going to get, she's going to eventually go back to her mom and then probably come to that realization later that her, okay, mom is a bad guy? Well. Does she turn to a turncoat? She turns coat, yes, but. Yeah, because Hank has taken Carl's place, right? So in the comic books, doesn't she, she falls in love with Carl, right?

Around those lines, yes. However, one other thing, too, is later in the comics before she even turnscoat, due to when she stayed at the hilltop, she changed so much. Alpha actually exiled her. Oh, wow. Okay. So she didn't want anything to do with her daughter. Nice.

Nice. We'll see about The Whispers. I mean, I'm kind of, I don't know why they don't know why they don't want, The whispers don't want anything to do with anyone else, right? It's their land. Everybody else has to die. Nothing else changes. That's kind of, we'll see.

Can't wait till the border scene. I mean, it's really hard to, I mean, it's a new world out there, though, fighting the dead with the whispers around, though, right? Because you, I mean, you don't know what's dead and what is. Oh, it's an awesome idea by Kirkman. You know, it's really as freaky, like not really knowing, you know, if you can trust what you've come to believe. Right.

Because because the walkers have become a job. joke at this point. Right, which we talked about at all. I mean, the Walker's have our second second thought. Yeah. Nobody can. Yeah, whatever. It's literally like, you guys seen that movie Zombie Land? No? With, uh, is it Jesse Eisenberg? The guy to play in the social network? I think that's

who's in it. It's, oh, and Woody Harrelson, he's also in it. But it's funny, it's like, they show how, like, ridiculous zombies are. So at one point he just runs in a circle, just to get away from him while he's trying to, like, get his keys out. He can't get his keys out. He's like, crap. So he just runs in a circle. And, and And they're just, uh, barely following him.

He just keeps running around. And he's like, got to maintain your cargo, or cardio. But that's how they are. It's like they're not scary anymore. You know, they're just, they're nice and slow and everyone just kind of like screws with them. And the only way that they're scary is when they're in the large herds. Yeah, right.

When you get overwhelmed, which is what happens to a lot of people. But now, even if it's just a group of 10 of them, it's unpredictable. They don't know. So it's like, it's brought a freakiness or creepy factor to it. Which is cool. I like it. It's cool. I like it.

And we talked last week. I liked the idea of how they sneak up on you. And then they're like the Velasaraptors. Coming from the middle of the clever girl. Yeah. Then there was also the, you had the guys from Hilltop, including Magnus Group, looking for Luke and Alden, and then they see the horse being eaten. And then they realized, like, it had a cut in it that wasn't a bite mark.

Right. So, I mean, that's what I'm saying. So, you know, they left some for the walkers to eat. But they killed it first. Dude, where the heck is beta? I thought he was going to show up standing next to her. I couldn't wait to see, like, this big dude, you know. I was like, oh, crap.

Yeah, that actually doesn't happen in the comics. In the comics, she does, Alpha shows up to Hilltop almost exactly like that. No beta. When does he come out? He comes out when Negan meets the Rho of Whispers. When Negan first meets the Whispers, that's when Beta shows up. Is Alpha around at that point or no? Well, that's after the whole Alpha.

thing. Once Negan fully gets out, okay? So he's let out, right? Doesn't escape or he escapes? Someone lets him out, but it's a mixture of an escape. Interesting. How are they going to do this then? I wonder if he's not

really going to make it back to Alexandria. Ooh, that might be. Because he can't just go back into prison, right? That might be. Because he wanted to go back. Judith going to bring him back. Maybe Michon, maybe they run into each other on the road like we talked about

you know, they're busy on their traveling on their way back to Alexandria. They had to fight together or something? And Judith says, you know, yes, I knew that he was out but now he's decided that he wants to come back and Michelle probably freaks out. And when Michone is freaking out with Judith, Negan

says goodbye. It's something like that or it's got to be a fight together because that's the only way it's going to like. So what happens a little bit? Try and change. When Negan meets the whispers for the first time, he actually starts making fun of them. And he starts making fun of this stupid dead mask.

Yeah, pretty much. He goes, are you guys like literal monsters under there? Do you have like weird scarring or are you just freaks? And then and then Beda shows up and like he's right behind him and he's towering over Negan. and that he's like, like, hello, Mr. Frowny McTunives. And actually, Negan says, is, look, you might know how to fight,

so you'll probably kill me. But these guys, they probably just sneak around and stab people, so I can kill them right before you kill me. There you go. Yeah. I don't know, we'll see it. It was fascinating to see this episode. We'll see where they're going.

We do see that they're, we were kind of right in the, after the midseason. premiere is that they're going to milk this season, right? Yeah. So I'm really kind of disappointed in and I hope that changes. I hope in the next couple episodes we get the non-milking episodes.

Like I said, I think the season finale will be the Pikes. Yeah. I don't know. We've got a ways to get there right with the milking system. But the Pikes will be at the end of season 12. They'll easily be able to do it though because it's like they're running,

they're like, right now they're running two separate plot lines and each plot line is kind of like taking the lead in each, You know what I'm saying? So they'll do something with Nigan and Alexandria one episode. And they'll check in. We got Hilltop and they check in. And then next week we check in with Hilltop and we go to Kingdom.

Gosh. Because they showed, I think we did see some footage of some kind of fighting going on with Jerry. And I hope he survives. We did see. There was some footage. I don't see Jerry. Yeah, there was some footage that showed him. I don't forget where I saw it.

But I didn't see some footage of the fighting with Kingdom. Now, that might be a couple episodes away. You know what I mean? But there was some footage there of the kingdom fighting. So, you know, who knows? Jerry said on the Pikes. No way. I hope that doesn't happen.

And we still, we know what we didn't see last night was dog. Oh, that's right. We didn't see dog. That's right. So, I mean, he could be already dead. Well, your prediction was wrong, kind of. What's that? You said he would die within the first three episodes.

We still have another episode to go, bro. I mean, my prediction is still standing strong. And I liked the little tour that Hank was giving her. That's the doctor. And he's giving it to the tour the whole thing. Shut up. That really ticked me off. And then they trip over a stupid rock and eat a worm.

It's just agonizing. Stop it. I can't believe I ate a worm. Can we go back and hold hands? You have to admit, though, that conversation with Daryl and Lydia, It was pretty good. Both of them. Yeah.

I mean, okay. That's good. And it's good to see, it's good to see Daryl, you know, breaking out of the Daryl mold a little bit, even though he does, you know, he doesn't want to.

I do like the conflict within Daryl of him not wanting to be who he's becoming, of him just wanting to be the guy that stands behind Rick and kills people. Yeah. And yeah, I got you, bro. Dead. Yeah. You know,

I, I did enjoy that those. types of scenes. The problem that I get pissed off with the show is that when they forget that this is a zombie show and that you see less and less, you know, of the walkers and like the conflict with them and it's more of the, oh, you know, my name's Hank and I just want to be loved. And my name's Lily and I too want to be loved. I could roll you my egg if you need. Shut up.

Just get to the, you know, survive. in a world of zombies. Come on. Well, that's the little point, right? I mean, we're moving past that. Sadly, that's the truth. Robert Kirkman has publicly stated, I think, before even the show came out when he was talking about the comics,

it's pretty much a drama show with zombies as a supplement. Right. I mean, we're working toward that, right? The beginning was, of course, struggling with the walkers, but we're working toward the walkers being being washed out and then is a struggle for the new world,

hoping that it was going to change and go back. And you're never going to get that back. But we still have giant herds of walkers. I mean, we haven't gotten rid of all of them, right? I mean, we've still remember we've, I mean, if they don't die, I mean, we still have, we walked by that one prison or power camp or whatever that stunk so bad. Remember that had the herd that still in fences? I mean, if somebody opens the gate to them, there's another massive,

herd traveling around. Alpha isn't going to guide them. Yeah. And then there's the one that that they saw at the end of the war with Negan. Right. Okay, but I'm just saying, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And those, you know, you've just got herds wandering or a giant herds. That's what the overwhelming comes from. So. You know what doesn't work with TV that probably worked tons better in comics? Is having these like,

like expanding the world? So I remember back in the day, it was just the group. It was Rick and the gang and you followed whatever story it was, even if it was slow, it still seemed more fast-based than now

because you were just with the group. Like now it's like we've got a group in this community, a group in the other community, and a group in the other community. We'll bounce around through different plot lines and all the different characters and stuff.

Sometimes we'll get back to the main group, but sometimes we're just going to cons sometimes we're going to have a full-on episode of Morgan turning into Buddha. Right. You know what I mean?

It's like, Wasn't that a good episode, though? Don't get me started, Max. So let me just ask the question. So, you know, that's like, I guess my main issue with, like, how the show runs now. It's like, it's so much easier for them to stretch it out and milk the advertising revenue because you can do that. But before it was just like, it was always the group surviving in the world. And that's what we fell in love with, right?

I mean, that's what we, that's why it's different now. When we, when they even talked about, they felt like we could do. do anything together. Right. And that's the group that we fell in love with. Right. And it's still good show. It's just like if you pour a little bit too much water in the whiskey, you know, it's just,

it's watered down a little bit because of all this other crap and the stories spread out all over the place. Well, on top of which, they have to kind of do that now. I mean, they've had their hand forced with some of the big names leaving as well, with some of the group leaving as well. So, you know, might have changed a little bit if some of the big names in state because you're still, you know, that's still part of the group. but now that they're going and have gone,

you're going to have to do that. Your main characters are spread out over, what? Three communities. At least 15 miles from three different communities. I want to know about Carol. I want to know about Daryl. I want to know about, I guess, Michone, but because that core group right there,

I want to know about them. But the problem is N. But the problem is you can't, because they're in three different locations, spread out over tons of miles, and they can easily bounce around all over the place. I want them all, get them all together.

Like how, they should never have done that. Like, that's kind of a bad on Kirkman, I think. He should never have taken Carol, I'm sorry, what's her name, Maggie, thrown over a hilltop, all these other ball over the place. It works in a comic. You know what I mean? It just doesn't work in a TV show. I don't know.

You have to admit, though, it was, yeah, I do agree with you, Jason. But one thing that was kind of cool, at least, was Henry telling Daryl on how come, Carol grew her hair out again. We were all wondering why'd she grow her hair out. How we know. She'd never said that before, huh? I don't think there was ever an explanation until now. No, there wasn't.

But I think we kind of, I mean, right, we knew that she had a, you know, tough life as a homemaker. And, you know, that's why she's such a badass in the new world because she put up with all this other crap before. Were they not setting up a alpha? Alpha Carroll title fight? Yes. I cannot wait to see that. That will be awesome. Because they're kind of having, they're like,

my mom could kick your mama's butt. Oh, my God's you. They're totally setting that up. It's going to be a fist-on-fist fight. I cannot wait. We don't need to have that in the UK either. That needs to happen in Vegas. MGM Grand, baby.

Can't like, Seasas Palace, maybe. You have to admit, though, this one, you have to admit, we all know Alpha is probably is a great fighter. So this is going to be great. Are you going to bet on Alpha over Carol? Oh, no, no, no. I bet on Carol. We are done here. I am betting on Carol.

Okay, fine. Who we bet on Daryl or Beta? Oh, I don't know. We haven't seen beta yet, so we don't know what kind of badass heels. Plus is Daryl. Daryl doesn't lose. All right. Daryl gets his butt kicked and goes off and heals his wounds and comes back and wins again. He was in a cell for half a season. That's what I mean. He goes, he gets hurt. He goes away and licks his wounds.

and comes back to fight again. That's Darrell. Yeah, Darrell's like the only one. I mean, he's really the only one that's kind of kicked Rick's butt, right? Like multiple times. Like every time they got into a fight, it was like, Derek would be like,

all right, screw it. I'm backing down. I bet you they'll have them, we know they're going to square off Beta and Darrell. But I bet you it'll end before there's any kind of resolution. Yeah.

And they'll both get some licks in. They'll both get split up. Plus right in the middle of the fight, we'll have to go to a commercial. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead. I appreciate it. You can subscribe, rate, and review on the podcast. And of course, you know,

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