Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S9 E14 | The Walking Dead

Episode Date: March 18, 2019

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Season 9, episode 14 of the Walking Dead titled Scars. And there may be some scars after this episode. That makes this Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Talking Walking Dead with myself, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher. IMDB description and outsider's arrival forces Alexandria to rehash devastating old wounds. Eye-opening secrets from the past are revealed. So, before we get into...
Starting point is 00:00:52 into the actual what we thought of the episode. A lot happened in the episode that I thought was interesting. I mean, we talked last week about Daryl at the gate. It wasn't necessarily Michone that wasn't letting Daryl in. It was the other Dingleberries, right? It was Aaron and other people because Michelle was like, and you didn't let him in. So I eased up my complaint of her with Daryl at the gate
Starting point is 00:01:15 because they should have just opened the gate for him. It's Daryl open the freaking gate. Yeah, but I trust Daryl was. Right. Yeah, of course. Yes, of course. And then we were supposed to and did find out about the D section, scar, which is a questionable outcome for many.
Starting point is 00:01:37 We had the Michone and Nigen battle, which I thought was really good. I enjoyed that very much with Mishon questioning Negan about Judith. and Negan's like, pf, get off me. I'm just telling her the way it is. Maybe you ought to. And then we did get,
Starting point is 00:01:59 we were still setting up Mishon leaving throughout the episode. No question about that. There are bits and pieces of Mishon struggling and leaving. Now, that having been said. And we also find out that the whispers, at the end of the episode, the whispers see,
Starting point is 00:02:17 what's her face going into the kingdom. Lydia going into the kingdom. Yeah. So we know that they're setting up the whispers showing up to the fair, which will be fun. I'm getting for that. It should be fun. Now, that having been said. I was waiting for that.
Starting point is 00:02:37 That having been said. With just a gentle recap of episode 14. We've got a couple left. At the end of the episode last night, I thought, well, you know, okay, it was all right. I was all right. And then the more I thought about it, the more I thought, I really wasn't all right, because I did expect more from the D section story. This episode sucked. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Sorry, I can't hold it anymore. Oh, we were waiting. We were waiting for that. This was the worst episode I've ever seen of the Walking Dead. It wasn't that. Are you sure? Was it worse than the Terra episode? I don't even remember the Terra episode, but I'm going to say yes, it was worse than the
Starting point is 00:03:22 if you don't remember the Terra episode than by definition. Yeah, the whole Terra episode is pretty bad. Remember in the LGBTQ community episode? Oh, where she went to go. She was on the island. Yeah. Yeah, this was worse than that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:37 This is worse than that. I don't know about that. I don't know that I can go that far. I saw it. There was an article today that said, Walking Dead and AMC air one of the most traumatic episodes ever. No, I still think that's season seven episode one, but... Over the weekend, prior to the show, we got all kinds of why you need to watch tonight's
Starting point is 00:03:58 episode. I was punt. I was too. I mean, Gail Ann Hurd, one of the executive producers of Fear and has done a couple of movies that I love. She, you know, she was tweeting, you need to watch it. I know some Forbes articles were saying, hey, it's a heroin return to form. That was prior to the episode.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Then after the episode, there were a lot of Rippin. A lot of Jason Butchell reviews. Oh, really? Yeah. Like actual journalists? A lot of Jason Butchell reviews on the show, yeah. I didn't think it was that bad. It wasn't the greatest episode, true, but it wasn't the worst.
Starting point is 00:04:41 as you say. This was all they could think of. And Chris Hardwick, I watched the first 10 minutes of the talk show afterwards. And he said Children of the Corn. Yeah. Like, I didn't, like, that's the first thing I thought of. Everybody, that's the first thing everyone thought of. I was like, this is all they could think of.
Starting point is 00:04:59 This is all they could think of. So, I mean, like, you've got this entire buildup. You've got this, like, mysterious scar. And this is the plot line you could think of. I was so pissed. I was so pissed. I was like, this has got to be a joke. joke. We're being trolled.
Starting point is 00:05:13 We're being trolled. Right now on live TV, we're being trolled. We've got to be. This is stupid. This is, okay, so what's the Max, I need a name. What's the chick that's running the show now? Angela Kang. Angela Kang. I think she's running the show into the ground. Straight into the ground.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Everybody thought that would be Gimple and everyone said Angela Kang was doing 10 times better than Gimple. Yeah. And pretty much everybody, in air quote, thought that fear was the best show on TV and it overtake it. Like the everybody in quotes are all collectively stupid. Like they don't, they're actually, I think they're after like a more like,
Starting point is 00:05:54 they're not judging the content on how good it can be. I think they're judging the content on just how virtue, how virtue signaled, you know, how, like, if we can appease the virtue mob, like how great it is to them. And they're like, okay, great, awesome. Okay, you said this in our group text, how you were, like, it was like all women leads. Like, okay, yeah, we had Mishone and then her old friend slash enemy Jocelyn. But then we also, of course, and Judith, but we also had Daryl, who was a pretty big
Starting point is 00:06:23 skid character in the flashbacks. Okay, so, yeah, like, so like James Woods got like a lot, there was a lot of backlash that he got for a tweet that he sent, which I don't remember off the top of my head. The quote is, now that the Walking Dead has become an all-chick zombie series, You realize they should have spent whatever it took to keep Andrew Lincoln. Hashtag estrogen fest. Okay. So I would never word it like that.
Starting point is 00:06:47 And I've been worried about how to phrase this and not sound bad. But when I have no problems whatsoever with strong female leads. I do not either. At all. I mean, look at Carol. Exactly. Perfect example. Carol.
Starting point is 00:07:03 I've got no problem with it whatsoever. But it really is to the point. I have a problem when it's like they're. really trying to make a political statement. And it's obvious that they're trying to shove it in your face. Right. And when it's in every single show, and if you have a strong male lead, it's almost like you are instantly branded a misogynist or, you know, it's all about white privilege.
Starting point is 00:07:25 You've got to make a political statement. Even in post-apocalypse, it's just males who run the show. Right. Yeah. That's where it would be. I don't, that's just now I'm getting that feeling. And like, I don't know. It's like every male character in this show has been, has really been, you know, delegated to a back burner.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Even the king for crying out loud. Yeah, that's true. He doesn't even make a decision unless he's like, uh, Carol. What do you? You know, I'm like, shut up. Well, okay, timeout. This is the guy that used to be like quoting Henry the 5th or whatever. Well, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:07:57 But now he doesn't do that anymore. He's like, what's the queen say? Well, well, here's the thing. Shut up. It's not like he's made the, it's not like he just gave the title of queen to anyone. He gave it to Carol. There is a difference. Still, though.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Sure. Still, though. No question. No question. And I'm like, I make a, maybe I make an exception because it is Carol. But it doesn't fit his character as what my issue is with it. Like we will accept it more because it's Carol, but it doesn't fit who the character actually is to do this. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Just doesn't. And it would fit better for him to be the king and for Carol to push back some. Really, unless you're going with what you said in it, where they're forcing the female lead down our throats. Right. I mean, Judith was pretty good in this episode. There was a male character that was set up to take over Hilltop. But even he was killed off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:52 And Tara takes over. Like, where did that come from? Right. Automatically Tara takes over. Just automatically boom you're in. I was like, okay. And by the way, the male character that was set to take over Hilltop was gay. so they
Starting point is 00:09:08 it wasn't just a man wow I'm just saying I'm just saying they continue to push everything down there you just yeah for all those listening
Starting point is 00:09:20 the look on Jason's face you just looked like he had an epiphany I mean really I mean they it's not it's never ending with AMC we've talked about that before
Starting point is 00:09:31 on this show and look do I give do I care about the leader being gay? No. Do I care about the leader being a female? No. Do I care about the leader being a male? No, I want someone to be a strong leader.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Right. But now, and I would not care unless it's being forcibly shoved down our throats. That is my biggest issue. So now I'm like, with this storyline yesterday or last night, I'm like, are you purposely just, are you staying away from, I don't know. I'm wondering if they're not even consulting Kirkman on the plot lines anymore. I think they might because, well, for one thing, because he wouldn't come up with this. In the comics, I'll just say this. In the comics, the, Ezekiel is actually was with Carol instead of, no, no, not with Carol, was with Mishone.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Right. Because Carol died back in the prison in the comics. Right, well, we've changed. I know. But after Ezekiel died in the comics, Mishone took over the kingdom. and Maggie's still in charge of Hilltop okay at this time in the comics
Starting point is 00:10:42 as well as of course Rick in Alexandria but he's not he's not here anymore well that's the problem and we've talked a lot about that too is the differences between you know the comic books and the TV because we've altered so much now that the timelines
Starting point is 00:10:58 are as close as we're probably going to get but as far as people No. I mean, the people is all thrown off because of contractual agreements, people dying off, the thoughts of what happens to characters. And what throws the entire thing off is Daryl's not even in the comics, right? So that's a, you know, that's a wrench in the mix already. But, okay, so that having been said, I do kind of, I'm with you on, it does seem like we did an awful lot to think. think how horrible this D-section was. And to me, with everything that Michone and Daryl have been through, this was not that bad. Well, has Michaud ever had... It just wasn't that bad. Tell me.
Starting point is 00:11:47 What do you mean that bad? Oh, you mean? Oh, you mean? Oh, to be that traumatic? Yes. Right. Yes. Because, okay, so they got...
Starting point is 00:11:53 Has Michelle never had to kill kids before? Well, it doesn't matter. Well, actually, if you think about it, one. But the kid she killed, the one that, the one, the crazy kids. who's mom was getting with Rick at Alexandria. Oh, yeah. But my point is that the, okay, so I'll give you maybe the kid thing.
Starting point is 00:12:17 But I just found it miraculous how just it was, her and Daryl are separated. Daryl doesn't even show up. When she's starting to fight these kids, I asked out loud, in my living room, where's Daryl? And then he shows up at the end when it's all over? He did say he was going to scope out the place. I know, but it just.
Starting point is 00:12:35 We should listen. Like some of our past, when we were talking about this, we were like, oh my gosh, what happened? And then like I think, Max, you were saying you thought it was like a coup inside Alexandria. Yeah. I would have been fully on board with that storyline. It would have been great. Right. And because of that, you know, because that happened, Michona had to take a much harder, you know, more, you know, empirical role on, you know, this community.
Starting point is 00:13:00 I get that. For security, right? That's why security came up. She's like, now I'm just fully taking charge. Right. Screw it. You know, like, okay, that'd be great. But no, we get Children of the Corn that sneak in.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Okay, what was your opinion on Jocelyn? Jocelyn, Jocelyn. Oh, her friend? Yes. Oh, well, she's the leader of the Children of the Corn, but she just shows up. It was just weird. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:24 I don't, I'll never understand these, like, these storylines where, like, even members of the Whisperer group that they see these communities that they thought didn't exist, and they don't instantly want to become a part of it, you know, when you're living out in nature. It seems like the obvious, hey, look how awesome stuff is here. That's what Kirkman wrote, though.
Starting point is 00:13:43 That is what he wrote. That is something Kirkman did write in the comics. For the whispers. I don't deny it. I'm just saying, I just don't get it. Right. If you were out struggling as, what's her name, Jocelyn? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:58 If you were out struggling and you ran into your supposed good friend, and you have these children that you've been struggling with and you see Alexandria. No. You instantly want to go back to the trailer pulled by horses? Yeah. No. No, baby.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Not to get political on this, but it was funny when they were talking about this. But I'm going to. But when Chris Harder was talking to the, who was he talking to? He was talking to the super fan chick and he was talking to the. And one of the producers. And the producer lady was like, She's like, yeah, you know, like children, you know, they're easily, you can manipulate them. It's easier to get them to do what you want them to do, so it makes sense.
Starting point is 00:14:40 And by the way, you know, we should totally lower the voting age to 16. I'm like, this is exactly. No, she didn't say totally, she didn't say that. But that's what I was thinking of my head. Okay, because I didn't hear that. I was like, oh, my God. Did she actually say something like that? Like, literally.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Well, but she's talking about easily to manipulate kids. And that's the same token, we want to lower the voting age. Yeah. And the congresswoman from your state. is trying to do that. I'm sure you voted for her. And now you're like explaining why it's dangerous, you know. You don't see the,
Starting point is 00:15:10 you don't see the parallel there at all? Yes, they do. Of course they do. They totally see it. That's why they want to lower the voting age 16. Someone asked, what was the deal with like, why did she have them brand Daryl and Michelle? Now, one thing about that scene...
Starting point is 00:15:25 Did we ever know why they branded them? Yeah, she said mark your kill. Kill what you marked. Okay. Yeah. And one thing you have to admit was, that even though you might not have liked the episode you have to admit that branding scene was done good yeah i did like the branding scene i did it was you know as far as i just didn't care
Starting point is 00:15:42 well my my issue now is every time there's like a they they like capture them or whatever i compare it to the good old days and i was like i wanted this to turn into some like a scene of uh like remember when they got uh what was the community where they got captured by the cannibals yeah terminus terminus terminus terminus terminus um I kept on to compare it to that. Like, remember the scene where they were putting them in, like, the slaughter room? Yes, and you just knew. There was, I mean, there was no way.
Starting point is 00:16:11 That was tense. That was good. Because you thought for sure they were going to go down. Oh, God. I thought there was multiple people. Yes, I did too. You knew that the core probably were safe, but I was like, dude. But then we also had, but in that we had more people as well as the fact that Michone was pregnant in this scene.
Starting point is 00:16:27 So. Yeah, I know, I know. But you're right. And one of the other things that I found, interesting is that when we did that, we did that scene and going back to that, you were tense and okay, so you were waiting for Darrell and Michaud to get out of that before the branding. Now, we knew they got branded because of the, you know, where we were at in the time jump with the branding, with the D-section scar.
Starting point is 00:16:53 But, you know, when it was all said and done, then they didn't even show us how Daryl escaped, but Darrell, you knew Darrell did, you know, when he was, when he freed them. You know what I mean? He killed the guy, freed them after it was all said and done. I mean, that would have been, I don't know, in the old school, it would have been part of the deal, right? That would have been the full picture. Yeah. You're right with that.
Starting point is 00:17:14 I don't know. I just... Okay, let's go on Judith then. What did you guys think of her this episode? Well, I love Judith. She was the only good part of the episode. I love Judith and she's ready to, you know, we need to, her and Egan just need to run the joint. She is, she's an amazing little actress.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I know. Like I'm fully sold every time she's on camera. And like if it wasn't for her, like I would have nothing to watch last night. Like literally. I was like, I was literally just looking at my phone the entire episode because it was like so boring to me. And it did make you want me. It's stupid. Because I mean, you get that little segment of him in jail and you're like, why do we not using him so much more?
Starting point is 00:17:50 You get that really quick, you know, like two minutes and then it's over. And it's so great. There we go. Come on. Okay. Well, we had an whole episode dedicated to. We pretty much had a whole episode. dedicated to him a couple episodes ago, so at least we got that fix.
Starting point is 00:18:03 He, well, I didn't, I don't know, I don't know, because even still it was, it was intercut. Like, it wasn't, it was just a few scenes here and there. Literally the amount of screen time was what, 20 minutes, maybe? Maybe. Maybe. And so then, all right, so we have, I just didn't feel like this was as bad as they made it out to be for some reason. I don't know why. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Maybe it's just, maybe I'm leaning towards the Jason. I got to mention this. What you said, like, you said this in our group chat. I'm expecting Captain Marvel to fly down. Because I was just on this, like, I was on this, like, just kind of rage-fueled, like, wow. I mean, it really feels like they're really doing the social justice, like, push on this show now. And I was like, before it was like, there was none of that. It was just a zombie flick, you know?
Starting point is 00:18:57 like a TV show. As a comic book fan, like, of comics in general, um, the person, I just wanted to say this, do you know how long Carol Danvers, the person who is Captain Marvel, has been,
Starting point is 00:19:09 like, around? Like the, so you said Captain Marvel, right? Like Captain Marvel would fly down. Oh, yeah,
Starting point is 00:19:17 yeah. Uh, and the whole social justice thing. Do you, do you know how long actually the character of Captain Marvel, her, has been around? No,
Starting point is 00:19:24 Max, how long has her character been around? 1977. What's your point, though? I mean, there's always been good female superheroes. Exactly. But the way they're portraying it now, and the actress that is fully on board,
Starting point is 00:19:38 I think, with what they're trying to do when she said that she didn't want white men at her press conferences, really says a lot. And then when they marketed the entire thing around, I'm with her, and then it changed, then they added in the,
Starting point is 00:19:53 uh, oh, or the hero or whatever afterwards. Between that. And if we're going to talk Captain Marvel, between that and Samuel Jackson being Samuel Jackson, you know, that movie has done well, has done great, right? I mean, it's done great all over the world in the U.S. and globally. And yet they get away with saying the crap that they say is just amazing to me. Just amazing to me.
Starting point is 00:20:17 I can't believe that that movie did as well as it did. Good luck. I'm just tired of it. You know, I'm like there's, you always think that, okay, they're not going to put it in sports. then it hits the NFL. And I'm like, okay, well, come on, just don't hit Marvel. You know what I mean? Then they start hitting it with Marvel.
Starting point is 00:20:33 They sure do. Okay, well, at least they're not going to hit the Walking Dead. That's a safe fashion where we can like... But AMC's been doing that for quite some time. I mean, they've been seeping that in as the seasons have gone on for Walking Dead. As far as, you know, the faces of the LGBTQIA elemento crowd. I mean, has been slammed into our faces. And I'm not saying they wouldn't survive at the end of the end of the new world,
Starting point is 00:21:04 but it does seem like an overwhelming majority survived. Yeah, I don't want to. I'm a small percentage. I just want to reiterate that I have no problems with, you know, like, I don't know. I've got no problems problems with really cool female leads and characters. Same. Same. Or any intersectional group you want to say, but now I just feel so forced. Because you think it feels like they're shoving it down our throat.
Starting point is 00:21:31 Yeah, and they're shoving it. And they're trying to change the story almost to cater to it. And then maybe that was my biggest issue with this whole Children of the Corn thing. It's like, now it's like the story is getting warped. And they actually thought that that was worthy of the Walking Dead story. And I'm like, no, it's not. It's that this is not worthy of this show It shouldn't even be here you forced it in there to begin with
Starting point is 00:21:57 Yeah, and then it was bad I mean, I don't know I'm just like it got me for a second really Not for a second, it's got me very worried About the future of the show But we have two shows left this season Before we go on to that We also had a little bit of a mention of Carl
Starting point is 00:22:12 When they were standing over his grave Yeah So did was that was the sea In actual white coral I think it was it. Did they do it on purpose? I think it's funny that you... The coral?
Starting point is 00:22:30 I cracked up at that. That's really funny. I hadn't thought of that. It was. It wasn't just painted rock. It was coral. That's so great. That's really good.
Starting point is 00:22:40 If they did that on purpose, then bravo to that. Yeah, no doubt. So we have two episodes left. The Calm before and The Storm. So that means next. Next week is all pre-fair, right? Everybody's at the kingdom, pre-fair, and lovie-dovey, and we've got to do this, but we're concerned about a little bit about what's happening on the outside,
Starting point is 00:23:04 and then we'll see the whispers gathering, right on the outside, and then that'll be the end. And then the next episode will be the storm. The final episode will be the storm. Do you think they'll actually show the heads on pikes? They have to show the heads on the pike. They have to. It would be so AMC to not. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:23:22 It would because, look, they didn't show the kids getting killed last night. That was a big deal. They cut away where she was killing. Well, they never really show kids. She was killing walkers in today's time. Well, I thought. But then we went back to the kids who were already dead. Well, I mean, I think they'll show it on camera.
Starting point is 00:23:40 But I don't know. It would be so AMC to not show it at the season finale and then wait for the reveal at the season premiere next season. Like you get a bunch of shocked faces as they look out into the fields. And you see the silhouettes of heads. And you do you don't actually see. Yeah, it's right. You see the tops of the heads or something or the backs of them or something.
Starting point is 00:23:58 And the only one that you would realize was real was the dog. Well, hey, dog survived in this episode. I know. Dog's still barking. Still going strong. Dog is still barking. I got to love that. If dog dies, we riot.
Starting point is 00:24:12 I want that truth. Wow, that is like so like that because that's how the Negan Glenn scene ended. Like everyone was trying to analyze Dark photos to see who was actually in the lineup. Watch it be some of the... We riot, guys. That's exactly what they're going to do too.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Everyone rioted during the Negan cliffhanger. Everyone rioted during the Negan cliffhanger. I mean, that's what they're going to do, though. The Negan cliffhanger, where you didn't know who he hit. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's what he's talking about. It was cool, though.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Everyone was like, what? And then you realized that that season finale was awesome. But what? The people breaking it down was hilarious because they were like they were analyzing shadows and like which way he was turned. The first time he said E-D-E-E-D, it was here that meeting. Yeah, exactly. Right. So ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:25:03 Really funny. So ridiculous. I'd be fun to look at if we don't, if it's like that with the Pikes, but. Yeah, very well maybe. So something that's exactly. That's exactly what they're going. We've just, we've just told you what the end of this is. Oh, gosh.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I wish they. So we're going to have to wait until season 10. to see who all died. You know what? It's so painfully obvious that the things that we enjoy about this season, like let me say some good things. Like some of the gore stuff I really liked with the whispers. Like most of all the stuff with the whispers I've loved.
Starting point is 00:25:32 That was really good. The fight scenes, like showing when beta was all cutting out the mask, when Alpha, like, did the execution. Like, that was all real cool. All the stuff that is on the main storyline I've really liked. The problem is, is when they're trying to figure out how they're going to fix all of the stuff they've added.
Starting point is 00:25:54 You know what I mean? Like the, like the D-section and all that stuff. Or kind of like going around how they're, you know, fleshing up, you know, the change in Carl's storyline plotline going over to Hank. You know, like, all that stuff is like, you're like, what? You know, like, or, you know, like, Tara's now leading Hiltz? Like, what?
Starting point is 00:26:13 You know, like, all this stuff, it just doesn't jive. And maybe that's my, my big. biggest issue is, you know, how they're handling the storyline. How they're working it into the storyline. Yeah, it's just, it's not fitting. And maybe, man, maybe that's just it, right? If we go back to what we talked about in prior episodes, budget-wise, when you sit down and you start writing stories, when you start having to concern yourself with the budget is
Starting point is 00:26:40 when things start to happen that you don't, wouldn't happen if you didn't have to worry about a budget, right? You were, if you weren't concerned about making payroll, then you'd think, well, let's do it this way. And, you know, there's very few shows anymore that aren't concerned about a budget. And when you watch the new shows on AMC and Amazon and Netflix, you know the shows that have a budget and the ones that don't. I mean, obviously they all have a budget, but you know the ones that have a budget of spend what you have to to make it right. and the ones that have the, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's,
Starting point is 00:27:18 we only gave you this amount of money, that's all you could spend. I mean, you see the difference. That's what you said about Negan. I think, about Negan, I think, even though you said, you know, the difference of translating between the comics and TV,
Starting point is 00:27:30 I think I have two reasons why Negan hasn't shown up other than the fact you don't think they can have enough money to pay Jeffrey Dean Morgan this season. Okay. One of them is, like you said, but in translation, they have to change some things. In the comics, he shows up less during this part of the comics.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Right. So he shows up more a little after, so he'll probably get a, and they're probably saving him for season 10. Okay. I hope that's true. I hope that's true, too. But at this point, I mean, comics, schmomics, you know, to these writers, because they've completely just so gone off the rails, you could easily write Jeffrey Dean Morgan into the script more. Yes. And, you know, even though he was still in prison, screw it, take him out, do something
Starting point is 00:28:16 else with him. You know what I mean? Like anything to have an actual good lead character on here. And then hopefully we'll make that happen. I mean, like I said earlier, I'm good. Judith and Nigan, I'm all for them running the joint. Yeah. No problem.
Starting point is 00:28:30 See you later, Michone. Oh, you got to go. You're struggling with life. Bye. I don't think that. Negan can never be a leader again, though, right? Can he? Not the way he was.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Well, definitely not the way he was, but... But you wouldn't be able to have, like, Daryl still on the show, could you? If he was... I don't think normally... Okay, so let's... Well, okay, let's think about that for a second. Let's say that Judith is in charge, and Degan is like her right-hand man bodyguard. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:29:00 All right? So, like, he's not in charge, but he did... I mean, his deal would be she's in charge. We do what she says. And he's just... just the enforcer for Judith. And the guy that just kind of whispers, hey, do this.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Yeah, I think it would be best if we do this. Yeah, no, no, there's no way. Come on. That's good. That'd be great. The guy that murdered Glenn, your best friend, is now controlling your best friend's daughter. Glenn wasn't Judas' best friend.
Starting point is 00:29:29 Glenn wasn't Judas' best friend. Glenn wasn't even around. Glenn hated Judith. No, he hated you. Dude. It was funny, though, like how up, when Michone was talking to Nigan, and how she asked if Negan told her the stories of what he did to Glenn and Abraham,
Starting point is 00:29:45 and then Negan said, yeah, I did. Yeah, he told her because she needs to know. A couple of things that I noticed inside baseball. Last night, we've talked a little bit in the past how they've set up their commercials during Walking Dead where it's back in 60 seconds, which is a great way to advertise. It works well for many shows. It works for many shows on the Blaze as well. I mean, it works.
Starting point is 00:30:10 You tell people you'll be back in 60 seconds, and you know as well as I do, you wait. I do. It's only 60 seconds. So you listen to the commercial and you're back in the show. Although last night I saw them set us up with a tease and then instead of 60 seconds, it's 90. It's back in 90. So they added an extra 30. They teased us a little bit of the show and then back in 90 seconds.
Starting point is 00:30:32 So they added that extra 30 seconds in there. That was nice of them. I bet you they're really having a struggle with this because like if you say back in 60 seconds, you run. like one or two ads, you can probably charge a lot more. Oh, yeah. You know, if the numbers, the analytics are saying, oh, more people are staying around to watch. They stay for that, absolutely. So those commercials get crazy expensive.
Starting point is 00:30:50 You aren't kidding. So then they're getting like these, like, all this ad revenue and they're like, hey, well, let's extend this out of the 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I also, oh, I also noticed that the show that comes on after Walking Dead, AMC is trying to push their final, their final season. season of into the badlands.
Starting point is 00:31:12 They're doing it again, by the way. The show that airs after Walking Dead gets pushed back an hour. They're doing it again. They're doing walking dead into the band, badlands, and then. That'd be so bad. The show after. Chris Hardwick, I would strike. Because he seemed last year when it finally ended of the whole hour wait,
Starting point is 00:31:32 he even said he was really happy that he was back. Yeah. No kidding. Because this is crap that they do that to him. that. No kidding. I don't know. I don't, why do they have that, uh, what, I don't understand why AMC doesn't release it after the final, you know, season finale?
Starting point is 00:31:50 Like, why do they have like two episode gap, or I'm not gap, but, uh, right. Over. I don't know the answer to that. And it's strange that they do, although it, uh, could mean that, uh, you know, into the bad lens if you, I tried to get into it. And it really. It's kind of genre. I know.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Like very niche. So, I've never seen. I might have to watch it just to see. You know, they kind of know that. So it's like, well, sneak it in. It's going to be a time slot hit after Walking Dead, right? It's actually a good show. It runs into a lot of the other problems that, like, it just gets way too over the top the further you get into it.
Starting point is 00:32:23 And you're like, but the first season was pretty cool. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks a lot for listening to Talking Walking Dead. We still have two more episodes left of Walking Dead. And that means we have at least two more episodes of Talking Walking Dead. And hopefully our reviews will be a little bit better, but we're not here to lie to you. We're here to set the record straight for Walking Dead on Talking Walking Dead.
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