Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 4, Episode 15: "I Lose People" - 9/24/18

Episode Date: September 24, 2018

Jeff Fisher with Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher IMDB description… Fear The Walking Dead The group's hope falters as they seek a way out; Alicia and Charlie reunite with friends. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Blaze Radio Network On Demand. Season 4, episode 15, I lose people. That's the title of it. Jeff Fisher, along with Jason Butchrell and Maximus Fisher, and that makes this talking fear. Okay, okay, okay. The IMDB description for Fear of the Walking Dead

was the group's hope falters as they seek a way out. Alicia and Charlie reunite with friends. As we began our case study on the next to last episode of the season with fear, I found that at the end of the episode last night, Jason Butchrell text me, it was good. It was a good episode. I enjoyed it. Jason, have you sobered up? Howard, I'm, you're, I just have.

You're sobered up from last night. You're okay, all right. You did the tire opens very sarcastically, and I don't get this. I don't. This would be an interesting episode today. Are you seriously down on that episode? I kind of have a little. Really?

I thought it was pretty good, actually. If you're a fan of the genre, how do you not like that episode? See, I think that's my new take on this, is I'm not worried about, I'm not worried about the story stuff because I don't think that the current story has anything at all to do with the future of the show. Right. They just want this core group to somehow merge. And there, that's what we're, we talked about this even a few weeks ago, that that was how this season was going to end, right? Right.

We'll finally, we'll lollygag along back and forth until the end. We're all together going to Virginia. That's the end. Right. So all the stuff that happens in between then is really inconsequential. It's just if they stick to the genre, if it's like, the core stuff of why we like these types of shows. You have to look at it like that, I think.

Like the plot line with the, what's her name? Martha. Martha is stupid. Do you think she will die? Eventually, yeah. She'll do something very, very bad to make us want to hate her even more. I don't hate her. I just want her dead.

Yeah, it'll happen. But they're just throwing more crap at us. Anyway, but yeah, but it had everything. It really did. An escape from a, from a hospital, which again, it's been done a couple times in the Walking Dead. But the fire truck was new. Fire truck was new. I mean, it was, and kind of cool, too.

Yeah, yeah, it was. And we had Alicia and Charlie rescue Strand and John from the island. Cut across the floodwaters with the tank. Which was cool, right? I heard like an A-team soundtrack. Like, you rolled across like, dun dun dun dun dun dun da. It's like, yeah, that's kind of cool.

It's got to the Smokey and the Bandit Rescue. Right, yeah. The soundtrack, if you remember on Smokey and the Bandit, and I do because a friend of mine actually had one of those transams at one point with the five speed. But Bert Reynolds, rest his soul, who just passed away. The transam that he drove in the movie was an automatic,

but the soundtrack was the stick. So, I mean, that was definitely what I heard when they were crossing the water to rescue them. That's a cool scene. Calvaries. Yeah. So what's you not like? Is it all plot stuff? You know what drives me crazy is some of the little things that would be.

And we've kind of gone over some of this before, but the helplessness drives me crazy. They would not. on the roof. They would not be that helpless. They haven't made it this far being helpless. Except Jim, who has been in his beer or refinery until this point. Whatever.

Okay? He still wouldn't be this helpless. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. We're falling off roofs at the hospital, hitting cars with the alarms going off. No, the batteries are still there. The batteries are still fine. Amazingly, the fire truck still works.

Well, no, they set the transmission. No, even Sarah set the transmission. sucks. We towed it, but the ladder mechanism still works. Right, yeah, I know. We towed it. We didn't get a chance to film that part of the show where they towed the fire truck, but it happened. There's a suspension of disbelief and I think all of them. Absolutely. Any of them, right? I mean, I get that. I get that. Like when we say, you know, if, and I don't want to, we're going to, we'll talk a little bit about walking dead here because we've got a couple weeks away from the

premiere of the new season and we'll get into that. that on a separate podcast, for sure we're doing a pre-pre-podcast of that. There's a lot to talk about before the season starts. But there absolutely is a separation of reality. There has to be, right? I mean, it's for the show. And so you expect that, you know, whatever happens, you know, Rick is going to survive. Whatever happens, you know, someone is going to survive because that's what they do.

It doesn't, you know. What do you mean? He couldn't jump across the roof of three buildings in reality. real life. Stop it. He just did it. You know what I mean? I get it. Well, he didn't jump across the roof of three buildings. But you get my point. We're suspending reality. I got it. Still, that jump could definitely be made in real life. Yes, it could. But again, we've reached a point where we're supposed to, we've time jumped. And I mean, I know. You're still bringing up we've time jumped at this point. Because there's all this time has passed. And yet we're in the middle of things. We're

where time hasn't passed. We're acting like no time has passed yet all this time has, but yeah. Let's say the people who are truly kind of experienced in this world from what we've seen in this show. Morgan, John, and Al. Okay. Anyone else? Okay, Sarah and Wendell.

All right. And maybe Martha, because she's crazy. I mean, all of them, really. They're supposed to be all of them, right? And that's what drives me crazy about the helplessness. What now, Morgan? Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

I do. But I tried not to, I tried that. I'm trying not to focus on those things. Okay. So let's not focus on these. Let's talk about the good. You know, it did have everything that we like about our dead shows.

We had lots of walkers. We had lots of walkers. Lots of walkers, some dads. I would have liked to seen. Which has been missing from fear. I would have liked to have seen more of a hot, What more of what we wanted to see of last week, too, is more of a hospital clearing than actually just showing them already dead.

I thought they were going to do that because Morgan goes, maybe we go back the way we came. I was like, ah, okay. We finally grow some hair on our chest and let's go through it like we did with the prison. We start clearing out hallways. Let's get out of here. Then when they went down, they were all just dead already. Yeah, these guys been up on the roof wondering, what are we going to do? How are we going to survive?

And Al's down a few stories working. See, what would you, if you have a hospital that's got some supplies in, medical supplies, stuff like that, a lot of room to forage, and it's got a generator system. Right. You don't even think about maybe turning that into your sanctuary? Well, they said the generator was running low. So you still. Go down to the MRAP that has a never-ending supply of diesel.

Thank you. And then just hook it up. Just hook it up. That thing never runs out. It did run out a couple episodes ago. Maybe they could tow a new one in. But you make it work. They don't even think about doing that, which those are just like random thoughts.

I know. Maybe those are some Bradys. Then we had Jim this episode dying and then at the end he did die. But they were all the way up in the roof. So it would make sense to me. Let's go back to the hospital a little bit. It would make sense to me to at least try to clear. a pathway from the roof to the ground in that, you know, one, one stairwell clear.

And that's doable. I'm sorry, that's doable for these people. And then if you wanted to sanctuary it, then you go back in and start clearing out, clearing out half floors, you know, in floors, rooms. That's like, yeah, they obviously did not watch the 300, which was one of the or they didn't watch the regular Walking Dead either. I mean, that hospital is where once her face died, right? When they were the cops there was that still Atlanta?

Yeah, yeah. I've never seen 300. You've never seen 300? Nope. That's your fault. No, that's not. That's my, I've... This is not as good as Gladiator.

Everybody thinks it is. It's not even close. What? Oh, yeah. What do you think I'm named after? Oh, yeah. Well, it's a good movie. It is a good movie.

But the 300's better. It is. Not even close. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to name my kid Leonidas. How about that? How about that? I will say that I did love the, uh, the Persian bad guy.

Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's freaky. Yeah. I did like him. The show was dope. Yeah, it was, but, it was all right. That was good as glad either.

Anyway. As I was going to say, another graphic novel, but I guess that's. Yeah. I mean, you as a writer. So anyway, uh, those of us that could give a fly and grab a bunch of writers. He just don't understand. So Jim got, so Jim got bit. Then he was dying this episode.

Um, yeah. But again, to pivot back to the hospital, though, because one of those scenes that made it so interesting, like, it was stupid, the car alarm was stupid. The first time it happened, I thought it was stupid. But that's exactly right. Like, that was one of the scenes. Or like, this is a cool scene. Yes. Like, you know, he's carrying the walker up there and he's, like, swinging him by its feet.

Give it a toss. Yeah, that's like, let's give him some credit. Let's get the show, you know, running some credit. That was cool. Yes, it was. That was some things, like, if it happened on the Walking Dead, I'd be like, okay, this is pretty awesome. Yes. Yeah.

You know, but I mean, yeah, stupid stuff happening, you know, the entire time. But I think you pointed out during the group text that, like, they're up there feeling sorry for themselves, not knowing what to do. Ows working. Owls actually do put some work in. Yeah. What are you doing? That was impressive. Very impressive.

We didn't seeered all this episode. We just saw, they went into the generator room and then there was a letter with the written C word on it. Yeah, but all that, when they went down there, I mean, there's, you know, there's, instead of them having to clear anything out, it was already done either by Al or the thing or when the thing collapsed. The collapsing, right. But still,

either way, good that when you when you work hard every day, son, then luck happens. He had to be prepared for that luck. Where the heck did she go? I don't know.

We saw her in the trailer for the next episode though. Yeah, because that's what they're looking for now, right? They're all together except for her. So once again, you heard correctly on this podcast, a number of weeks ago when we told you that that was going to be the the duration of this season

and then we're going to end with all of them on their happy way to Virginia. That's another thing. Roll credits. That's some of the things that is irritating. That they like, everyone just kind of like takes off for the sake of splitting up, it seems like. It's like why would she not verify? You know what I mean?

Like she didn't verify if everyone else was dead. She's like just screw it and taken off. Yeah, that was dumb. Like what? Right. I don't get that. What did you think of Al's letter? Oh, um, I, the whole reference to the C word pissed me off.

Oh, right. That was what they used that, right. Yeah. The PC world in there. That's right. Oh, you got to be kidding me. I was like, I'm sorry, but in the zombie apocalypse, political, political correctness goes out the freaking window. But does it?

I was thinking about that after you and I talked about that a little bit in our group text because I, you know, too long, too long. long for me to, you know, start texting back, but I was thinking that doesn't go away. Okay, so right now we're in a, we start a zombie apocalypse and you're with a group of people and you're trying to save each other or whatever. I don't know that it goes away so easy. I mean, really, I don't. I mean, I realize. Every other law breaks down but that one.

It goes away. It goes, well, because it's already embedded in us, right? I mean, and so are the other laws. People, people are, you know, it takes a bit for them to break through. killing the walkers and you know have you killed anything else you know you're killing real people that kind of thing it takes a while stealing from people but you're not stealing from people are you the breakdown of society do you work for the government now instead but the one law that maintains is the law of political correctness you work for the government now I find to bail a pot on the beach and

the police say I'm stealing from who we have no justice but social justice is still going on Damn it You're right You're right C word Imagine this group How dare you Imagine Imagine this group

In the Walking Dead Like there's this one spin-off episode Or one-off Where they just go Where it's just Our normal group Walking around And then they meet these

This group And they have claimed They have called themselves The sole We all know they are actually real, but social justice warriors and there's a whole group of them. You better take back, we're going to have to edit that out of this podcast

because these writers will take that idea from you, Max. They're going to steal. We're going to make a gang and we're going to call the social justice gang. Yeah. I mean, that's basically what this show has been about from day one. S.J.W. on the wall. Tag it. Tag it.

Alexia, tag it after we leave this place. That's right. That's going to happen. That's going to happen. That's going to happen. You're probably pretty close to that, Maximus. That's no doubt. That is 100% true.

So let's stop imagining that right now. We've already had like Cowboys versus Indians in reverse, getting justice for Native Americans, which is fine, I guess. But you don't have to, you know, hit us over the head with it. They had the evil patriarchy of, you know, the husband killed so you can make way for, you know, the matriarchal leader. He was already dead. I mean, it's just, it's, it's nonstop. They slap you over the head with this. Again, there's no problem with, you know,

there's no problem with strong female leaders. But when they're trying, when they're slapping you over the face with it, day in and day out in Hollywood, season five. We see what's going on. Episode one, S.J.W. I definitely could happen. I absolutely could happen.

I absolutely, sadly, I want it to happen now. What did you guys? think of Jim's death? I mean, look, it was, it was good, right? Yeah. You've been, you must, that must have hit you hard. No, I'm just trying to talk about something else because we were going in order of the show and the next up was Jim's death.

And then we went off after you guys started talking about 300 and Gladiator. He died at the end, didn't he? Around there. Yep. Because we didn't see it, right? We just hear the car alarm. He jumps, we don't see the fall. No, no, no, not enough budget for that.

Oh, and then we see the, him getting his face. We see him falling into a mattress so she don't see the mattress. And turns into a walker. So you tell me that his head. No, that's like, yes, that's no way. Way. I'm sorry, if you throw a while, that's, I'm glad. Come on.

You throw out our disbeliefs. I realize that we're throwing out our disbeliefs of the real world with this show. No way. I'm sorry, does he survive a fall on top of the car? there's no way he survives enough where they had him do that to divert the walkers. The walkers would have eaten him. Yeah.

He was still human dead. Fresh death on top of that car. No way that survives enough for, uh, ooh, witty woman to start writing on his face. I'm sorry, it just wouldn't happen. No, I don't buy it. Oh, and speaking of the witch lady, we had her shoot at Alicia and Charlie before she passed out and then we captured her.

We captured her, so you know that she's, I mean, they're really forcing her character on us as the bad guy for sure, right? Because there's no way you knew, I mean, you knew she's not going to be in there when they came back. Oh, yeah. I mean, that was. I thought it was going to be worse than that, unless she was going to actually take someone hostage or something like that. Or at least one of them would die. Yeah, I thought so too. So look, okay, I got it.

She's the bad guy. You wanted to be the bad guy. I'm sorry, the bad person. Okay, whatever. I mean, I don't necessarily... I just don't know. I think we can come up with a better one. Oh, you think?

Yeah. I don't see how in any way in the cutting room floor or the concept floor, they were like, you know what would be a really good, you know, like we got Megan, we've got the governor. How about which you will? I mean, how about this lady that is not scary in the slightest? She's not intimidating in the slightest. She doesn't have a group.

She doesn't really have any mode of transportation. Doesn't even really have a good gimmick. But she shows up everywhere. But she shows, maybe that's her. Maybe she does have a secret power and we just don't know about it. And that will be revealed. Maybe. She has the power that Jason Voorhees has on the Friday the 13th movies.

Just hope he's always right there for the kill. I mean, I guess so. They did show her looking. got a map on this episode. They did. Which I was like, huh. Like she was trying to like plot through the flood zone. Like was she trying to, I guess, trying to see where they would go, I guess. I don't know.

I don't know. She doesn't have to see. She knows, right? She just appears. She's that's where they're at. Oh, and we had a. And moves incredibly a lot faster than they do. Right.

She just intercepts them all the time. And she didn't have to worry about any. You're making me go negative. She didn't have to worry about any of the walkers. She left the vehicle, the Jeep. The van. See, that's another thing. Walkers are dangerous to everybody else, but to hurt their pets.

She has to pretend that she keeps them away from her. But how does she get to the beer guy with going through all these walkers? They just disappeared? Wait. Just makes them disappear? Because he fell off the roof to bring the. the walkers to him. That was the point.

That's a good point. I didn't think about that. That was the whole point. I was just thinking that the fact that his head would have exploded, basically. And it's the same thing as sticking a knife in their brain. It's the same thing. So he wouldn't have been, he wouldn't have reanimated. Well, he could have landed on his back on.

Yeah, I mean, if we're suspending reality for a little bit. I get to still being, you know, landing on the car and then, you know, reawakening as a walker, or as he called the meat puppets. Yeah, that was good. But I do like meat puppet. And he was peeing on the meat puppets. And that's what, and he said, you ever seen one of the meat puppets all cut up like that?

They're crawling around. So, I know, it's fantastic. I did like that a lot. They had some good lines in this episode. Yeah, your girl had a couple, the trucker, right? Yeah, what's her name? Sarah. Sarah.

Yeah, a couple of good lines. Philosophical fart. Right. Was a good line. And listen to your physical. I can't even say it. We forgot. Philosophical fart.

at the end of the episode, Jimbo's Beerbos. That was stupid. I thought that was stupid. I did too. It was dumb. It was dumb. That was eye roll worthy to me.

But she had some other line that was good, though. What was it? Well, that was the C word too, right? She was also the politically correct C word, right? Was that her? Yeah. Yeah. She had a few good lines.

It made me think, though, and we were talking about this in the group test, it made me think that they had future plans for her. Just because it was building up her character so much. Right. Yeah, but I believe that. What about Wendell? What about Wendell?

I don't think so. I don't know. I mean, it's tough to say we need to get rid of him because, you know, it's, you know, he's part of the, you know, he could quickly become part of the SJW. And, uh. Okay. Out of both shows, who would take, who would the SJW gang take over character-wise? Like, who would be in there from both shows? In the gang?

Yes. I don't know. I don't. I think if I start name and names that I'm incriminate myself. Yeah. Yeah, no, let's not do that. Oh, we had, we had Charlie Carl

this episode a little bit. Yeah, with the hat under the car. We saw that coming. I was glad that didn't last. Me too. And I was so happy, John, John was like, oh, thanks for the hat back. I was so happy didn't go,

eh, keep it. Oh, no. That would have been too much. I would have been like, no, no, no. Yeah, no. way that was his hat and uh so we'll see i mean they're all together now we ended we got you know we still got crazy lady we find al they've all they all got in the back of the you know the vehicle uh apparently full of gas and ready to rock and roll wherever they want to go uh and uh we have to

look for al and then we'll go to virginia because they all waited to hear what morgan wanted to do what they were going to do. So I can't tell her. Are they make, is Morgan stepping up into a leadership role? Or is he, there was parts in this episode where I thought both ways. I know. They keep, they make a decision. You're going to be the leader.

You're not going to be the leader. And they didn't, they didn't clarify that at the end, did they? No, because they all sat there. We came back for you. We're waiting for you. See, that's my, that's my, that's my, and I don't mean to be negative, Jason. And it hurts me that you think that I do. but

but that's my whole point behind you know the whole helplessness thing come on it's so hard not to be negative

on this show because you it's just like expectations of the walking dead you're never going to live up to them it's like it's like a sequel

you know what I mean it's like there's or like remaking a book you're never going to do it right you're just not and that's why that's why fear is just

so difficult to pull off unless you're terminated you can't live up to it that's that That's a good exception. That is a good exception. And back to the future.

Quit talking. Quit talking. No, I'm not feeling in the back to future movies. I didn't think any of them lived up in one. Did you? Back to future? No, I don't know. They were all pretty.

They were enjoyable. Yeah, they were enjoyable, but not live, not the same. But my point is you can't live up to it. You know, it's absolutely impossible. So, like, when we watch these, we have these expectations of the stories. And I really tried. Look, look, look, look, it may not appear. this way and sound this way, but

we do try to not be negative. As he's cracking up. No, seriously. I mean that. I don't want to be negative all the time. I'm a nice guy. This show's good. That's what's the problem is like I, like, I am a zombie movie lover.

I love the genre, but like it's like, but I wouldn't just watch a TV show if it's just about zombies. Like the thing that was different about the Walking Dead is the story and the characters were so awesome. Right. It was so good. So for the first. time we had that brought to TV.

And really, in movies, there's not even really, well, 28 days was a good one. There's a few zombie, good zombie movies. But my point now is like, now we don't have good story to back up the genre. Now it's just, you have to watch it, not because the story is awesome.

You have to watch it if you enjoy, like, classic, like, you know, like escaping from the building type zombie scenarios. Well, maybe that will change. That's all it is. Maybe that will change in season nine of the Walking Dead coming in a couple of. weeks. We'll talk a little

I mean, I don't know that I want to get into that here because there's a lot to talk about with that. So much news coming out of the Walking Dead camp and how are not doing a back-to-back? How many weeks of this do we have? One more. Oh, the finale is next week.

Finaleas next week and then Dead starts premiere the following week. They're not back-to-back. They're not back-to-back. There's one week in between? No. No, it's a bang, bang. Fear ends next week. following week the seventh is the premiere of walking dead got it so we still have we still have the final uh i lose myself uh of fear of the walking dead so does that hint at a morgan

morgan struggles to find the strength to help friends in dire need before it's too late so he's struggling they go to find out we're going to lose somebody and somebody's going to die any prediction any death predictions well if you're going to go to Virginia and you want a safe trip you got to get rid of the crib right of course you would say Wendell

oh sorry does that PC oh god the SJWs is the gang is coming is that PC I mean you know See, again, it's tough for me not to be negative, but sorry, he wouldn't have survived. You might be right. I don't know. I don't think they get rid of his sister. I don't think they'll go rid of Sarah.

Sarah. I don't know. It just seemed like they spent a long time building, they spent effort, invested effort into really making her. Yeah, they did. But I felt that way last week with the beer guy, too. And then they show them, show them got, you know, with the bite. That's true. I fully thought he was going to be going to Alexandria.

I thought so too. Yeah, I think we all did. Kind of a big waste of a character, really. It sure is. They built him up pretty good for the whole beer thing, and then it's just gone. We just left it to him to give her the recipe and then give her the silent.

Let the rest of the world hear the secret. What? You kidding me? It's like, I don't care enough to care about the secret. I don't either. In fact, I would have cared more had he said, oh, I'm going to give you the recipe. Okay, it's 100% F you and jumped.

That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to tell them, F you to Oliya, that's my recipe. And then it jumped. That's what I wanted to happen and it didn't. So. I'll be good though. I would have. Thank you.

And I'm not even a writer. Doesn't take much to be a writer. Oh. Oh, hey, Jason. How you doing? I didn't see you there. Anyway. You wrap this up.

or something bad happens. All right, so we got the final week of fear, as we said, then we got Walking Dead. So maybe next week we'll wrap up Fear and then we'll do a separate little pre-walking Dead cast so that we can actually talk just Walking Dead because there's so much news coming out of the Dead camp. And there's so many talks and ideas of what's going on. And I really want, I mean, I could, you know, spend all kinds of time on that. But I don't want to take it away from Fear. because it would be negative on fear, and that's not this show. Oh, yeah, you never do that.

Thank you. See you next Monday.