Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 4 Episode 7: "The Wrong Side of Where You Are Now" - 6/4/18

Episode Date: June 4, 2018

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Season four, episode seven, titled The Wrong Side of Where You Are Now. That could be hold true to most of this episode and the rest of the season. Jeff Fisher here, joining me on the cast is Brad Staggs, Jason Butchrell, and Maximus Fisher, who, well, really isn't here. He's actually on assignment for the next few weeks. The assignment is called A Job. So while he's out earning money, he could miss the podcast. I've given him that right. And that makes this talking about.

fear. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Are you still dining from last night's episode? I'm just eating breakfast just to make this interesting. It, uh, because, um, hey, I couldn't believe that was it. When it was over, I was like, that's it this week. Let's talk about my food instead of the show. Because this food's really good. Is the next episode the, the, the, the, I believe so, yeah. Right. When we were done the last time, it said we had two left, right? So the IMDB. The recap of this episode was Madison's decision to help an adversary has unintended consequences. Meanwhile, John Dorey's life hangs in the balance. If they kill him.

I'm done. If they kill John Dory, man. I'm done. Let me just start this off with. I think you guys are being kind of a little unfair with this episode. Max isn't here, so we got to have the nice guy. A little bit. The episode was good.

Are you drunk this early in the morning? No, well, that was last night. Because that's like my typical go-to for the show. But if you had no expectations at all and you just turned it, turned it to this, you'd be like, that was action-packed? Yeah, it was. It was. It did have action. It had gun fights.

It had walkers. Okay. Let's talk about the gun fight. Oh, man. Let's talk about the- Jason finish about it. No. It was stupid.

But we'll answer my question. So you wouldn't watch it and say, hey, that was kind of cool? Well, I made the mistake of watching Westworld after I watched it. fear. Oh, after my comment? Which comment? When I said that I think that they were kind of copying Westworld with the whole like going back and forth the timeline. So you were you were just as bored with Westworld? No, I was thinking, well, Westworld has a plot. I feel like I'm getting somewhere.

There was a, you know, good episode. And then I compared it with fear. And that stupid gunfight where, okay, the vultures should have wiped out what was The four of the people had guns. I can't remember who's on whose side now because I forgot that Strand doesn't like Morgan and John. Right. And Alicia doesn't like Morgan and John and Naomi. So she shot.

So there's basically four people with guns shooting at the vultures. I couldn't tell how many vultures were there. But they had eight cars or eight vehicles. But they kept just showing like four or five guys. Yeah. They had at least the number of people to drive the vehicles, which weren't the same vehicles that was in the convoy later that's carried all of the walkers.

So they should have just wiped out the four people from... Jason's right, though. With the people that pulled up at the racetrack, it only seemed like they were just the drivers. Right? Because there was only four or five people. We should be assuming they lost some people in whatever skirmish happened.

Right. I haven't really seen that fight. No, which fight? We saw the beginning of it. We saw them unloading all the walkers at the stadium. But we don't know what happened yet. That could have been a huge fight that had mutualized your destruction thing. That's because none of this is making any sense.

It's jumping around so much before and now and then and after. And I couldn't figure out where in the hell anything was. Did you take your meds last night early grandpa? Apparently, I did. But this was a fine breakfast I just had. Vegetables. There was some meat in there and it was good. You're so angry.

Why are you angry? Because it's just the show. Why? It was, I thought it was entertaining. I was like, I, it left me wanting more, that's for sure. I ditched all like expectations on it. And I was like, you know, if I'm just now turning this, if I'm just watching it because, hey, it's supposed to be a zombie show. I got everything that I wanted out of a zombie TV show in that episode.

Right. And also the other, what else could you ask for? Who are you? And what have you done with Jason? Sir, what else could you ask for? You got, there was tons of zombies. They were using them as a weapon. And different kinds and different kinds of walkers.

All kinds of different walkers. There was inner struggles between camps. There were outer struggles amongst camps. There was battles. See, I think our problem with fear now is that we're expecting really good story and plot development that you see in the Walking Dead. Off of a show that's basically reinventing itself this season. They're trying to reinvent themselves with new character,

There's a new plot, new style, everything. So I'll just start again. Just starting now. And the reason that they can't just start again is because they had this backstory, so they're trying to do the before and after to get us caught up. Why didn't they just start fresh season four? Everybody's dead. Look who's new.

John Dory's here. Morgan's here. No, they're dead. Remember where the bridge blew up, they all died? They all died with it. They all drowned. They're gone. They can't make it.

Here's John Dory. here's Morgan, go. But no, we've got to intertwine these stories, and it's making no sense. And if it wasn't for the stupid desaturation of the color, I wouldn't know when in the timeline we are, because I kept getting lost. Well, I, since I'm, some kind of colorblind, that really doesn't affect me too much. And I told you, Nick is dead and he's still in the show. Yeah, because that's before.

But he's still in the show. That's before. Before what? It's before now. It's before the now. Everything is before now. Now we're before now. It's before now right now.

So when's the after? I'll explain it. I'm fully, I actually, I think I'm fully caught up. So I think I understand now what's going to happen. So there's the group that's in the, The what, the rangeover or whatever, that's going to branch off on their own because they're not going to be able to get into the stadium.

That fight's about to kick off. They're going to see what they believe is Madison's death, which she'll probably not be dead, which I'll be highly. Oh, she's got to be dead. They won't kill her. Yeah, because what's her face was supposed to be dead and she wasn't? Who? Naomi? Yeah.

So where is Madison now in the, in the now? Madison now is inside the stadium. Yeah, I agree. She'll be held up in there somewhere. Why? Why? Because they won't want to kill her off. They just won't want to.

So what we're about to find is them going into the stadium. What I still think when they busted through the gates and there was all those walkers in there, it would have been hysterical if they were playing baseball. That would have been a moment. But it wouldn't have been real. Duh. Wait a minute.

This is a show about people coming back. It wouldn't have been real, Brad. Walkers don't play games. How do you know? We know that from history. We busted in on them. They were sealed in there. How do you know they didn't organize their own baseball game?

Because we just know. Oh, for crying. We know it from history. It doesn't work that way. So she's hiding inside. Yeah, she's in the stadium. Remember that nobody else wanted to go back in there because they had the fire walkers and the burned walkers and all the aged water walkers. What I couldn't get was, why were the gates closed?

Yes, who sealed them up? That's. And I say seal. I use that term loosely. sealed them up. I don't know. See, that was, when I saw the gates closed, I was like, oh, crap. Maybe Madison held out.

And they were all going to still be alive inside. That's what I thought. And then they crashed through and they're all inside. I was like, how? They're all inside. And it was all smoky in there too. Why? Why was it smoky?

Because they were the fire walkers burn ones. There was no fire. Duh. Where was the fire? The walkers, duh. So they busted through. They weren't on fire. The walkers are all walking around.

I'll tell you one thing that's happening today is that you are pissing me off. I just don't get it. I want to get it, but I don't get it. I mean, it's not that hard. It's like they're playing this big joke on us by, let's write a bunch of nonsense for 42 minutes and see how many people critique it and say it's good. The problem is that they really tried to, they really tried to mimic and copy a show that's doing well, which is Westworld.

That's what I think. Hey, it worked out. Having them, having the audience guess about the timeline and what was going on. And then they get it at the end. And then they were like, oh, people would be doing theories on YouTube and the internet. It'll be great. The problem is that they just didn't do it as well. Let me, let me, okay, and I like the Westworld analogy, but let me point out that it's more

like the show beyond Westworld. Yeah, you don't remember that one either. It was a show in like 1981 that followed the original movie Westworld, and it was about all of... I am not crazy. And it showed all... It was about all of the robots after they'd broken out of Westworld, and it made no sense. It was canceled after three episodes, but they actually made five, and I watched that whole thing this weekend. Is it really?

That's amazing. Really, really bad. And that's kind of where fear is... It's a good idea, though. I like the idea. Right. It just they should have made it good But they didn't well that's the thing

When you do things you should do it good So in copying Westro Thanks for listening to talking fear It just None of it makes sense That's all That's I And I did have to point out

That all of the wooden structure in there That Madison was taken apart Oh God Was put together with nail guns Because there was no hammer marks over each year That's how much time I had to watch Each scene It was just

Hey we go through the group chat for a little bit because you talk about that in your group chat too. Because it starts out with Brad saying, okay, at least he's not dead. John Dory. But this is a lame-ass one-sided gunfight. The vulture should have wiped them out by now. He should have.

And I will say that I typed, feels like a made-for-tiv shootout, maybe because it was, but it didn't feel like a, it didn't feel like a, thinking about that text made me remember the shootout didn't seem real. And they usually try to make them feel real.

They have machine guns and they couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. Should have shot the little brat. Oh, I hate that girl. I do too. They should have killed her. There was no smith. Oh, they should have killed her off. And then I'm sorry.

I swear if they kill him and that's when they're over John Dory again. They better not kill him, man. So he basically spent the entire episode just laying there. Right. And he got paid for it. They moved. But he just had to lay there. I know, but they didn't move.

What a great gig as an actor. So I just need to, for the whole episode, I'm just going to lay here. Yep. What do I have to get in the trip? Nope, they'll pick you up. What are my lines? Lay there. Just lay there.

Every now and they go, oh. Look like you've been shot. I'm still getting paid scale. Yep. Because what's her face going to keep her hand on my chest? Okay. What's up with her, Dharma's haircut is, what did they do? Like her new vulture do?

Did you notice that? I thought she looked more made up. She looked like she had better makeup. And her, yeah, that's true. I bet you. I wonder if she went back and looked at the episodes very much. Uh-uh. I look bad.

I want to look better. You say, Ovi? Yes. She looked better. I mean, she looked attractive. You didn't think? Uh, the hero. Back to the group text.

And so this is, I can't keep these straight. I forgot. Strat doesn't like Morgan and John. Are we back to before? And now we're back to now. That's Brad trying to catch up and be figuring. I was trying to figure out where we were. And I typed, well, I was busy being a traitor.

That's when Naomi was when they were asking, you know, where are you been or what are you doing? I was busy being a traitor. Trader, not trainer. They did have a nice walkaway shot of your girl, though, getting out of the car and going up to kill Gucci. Oh, Alicia. Oh, yeah. By the way, the reason she was probably, this is my version of your critiquing some of the construction stuff. But when Alicia was shooting that gun, she was like, she wasn't holding it with her left hand.

She was like cupping it under her, do you notice that? Under her underarm. I was like, what are you doing? Oh, right. Yeah, she was. That's right. Like, so she should have been holding the grenade launcher with her left hand, but she was cupping it with her underarm. It doesn't surprise me.

That's why she was shooting like a store. looking at the nails. Well, this was my version of that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, when you have time to look at stuff like that, it's like, okay, the writing is not interesting. The writing doesn't have anything to do with the nails. Yes, it did. Whatever

Madison was saying at that time was completely irrelevant because I was going, there's no hammer marks on those boards. You were really studying that hard. I know, I know. I know. That's typically when I see a board in a movie, I'm like, where the hell are the hammer marks? Right. That's the first thing I look for. The hammer marks.

You have not written a book, Mr. Writer, on Home Improvement, like Brad Stag says. As an author, I can tell you that those are the ways we look for. Thank you. I did add the little girl to the death list. I want her dead now. It almost feels like if I didn't know that the timelines were like all matched up now between the other show and this one, I would think this was like Enid's like origin story. Pretty close.

The whole thing feels like that. like a rehash of walking dead. The vultures are like sanctuary. I mean, right down to dump in a bunch of walkers, but in reverse, because Daryl dumped all those walkers into the sanctuary, and now it's the vultures dumping a bunch of walkers

into the diamond. Yeah, well, the governor did that to the prison as well. It's like a rehashed, we're going to get you trick. Yeah. They still should have been playing baseball inside the diamond. They would have been real. I mean, they may have been. They could have just stormed the field after the one side won.

And that's what we just came in at the end of the game. That's a good point. I bet that's what happened. I wonder who won. Shirts of skins. The skins were coming up on the truck, so I'm guessing the shirts won. Last night, an HIV commercial. Is this the 80s?

Right? Right. Oh, yeah. That was weird. That was so strange. I hadn't seen that commercial in a while. Like since 1980. No, that's a new one.

Is there a problem again? I mean, is that not with you? Well, maybe there is. I have no flare-ups right now. And note of words right now. I will say that if you, let's, and we can, I mean, we talked about the, you know, Jason was upset about Dietland commercial. Yeah.

Oh, that was a more show. She's got hot though. You can have her in Dharma. your standards and it's kind of tanking lately Jason reminded us that the show is kind of like me watching the Giants I play the Eagles and football I just want everyone to lose quickly

so it'll be over and so but see now that that's worse than your review today Jason He's sobered up Yeah no I mean it's just like I think I just don't really care at this point

like because of like the Matt that's mostly when I see the Madison timeline Like I really do not care Like at that point, I just want the whole, that was mostly what that was in reference to. I want her, the old guard to just be done. Yeah. And move on with like the new character. I think I agree with you on that.

I do. I do like the whole idea thing of the before and now and now and before before. You know, that's what, I know it's confusing, grandpa. Before and now. There's now and there's before, but then there's before and the before. Right. Okay, so the before the before is after between the bridge blowing up and getting here. Okay.

Now the before now is just the timeline just before. Okay. Is that when everything's in color and everything's going to wash down? I don't know. Do they ever go back to the before? I don't, that's never happened. The before the before? Yeah.

Well, they talked about it. They did talk about it in the hotel when they were staying there. they talked about Roswell. Why didn't they stop in Roswell? They should have stopped in Roswell. They did on the way to now. But we didn't see it. That's correct.

That would have been a good set of episodes. They could have like found the aliens and stuff and a ship. Right. Maybe they could have been playing baseball. Right. I still can't believe they just dumped the Proctor John plot line. That makes no sense. Like that was actually kind of cool, I thought.

The bikers, remember they were there. who had the cancer or whatever. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, they just completely dump that. They keep doing that. They find something good. They spend like four episodes on it.

Then they kill them and they move on. Then it just goes away. Yeah. I know. One of the things that I've found interesting as well is that when we talked about it before is that how they now, I mean, it's a given that Badlands follows fear. Yeah. On AMC.

And I've talked about how mad that must have. have made Chris Hardwick or the show that usually airs after, you know, Talking Dead. And the show is, you know, they promo it. And this week, I mean, he's so pissed at them now. This week he didn't even do the live promo. Remember he didn't even do the live promo? The promo was, hey, coming up, we've got, you know, special guests and stuff with the printout stuff.

But it wasn't him doing the live promo. It was like, you don't do the live feed? No. Yeah. That's right. He put some on the screen. Who ended up being the special guest? I don't know.

I didn't. I went to bed. So we don't even know who. I forgot to look. And I went to bed because I had to do the morning show this morning. And I just didn't have time. I didn't stick around. Sorry.

And my father-in-law is a perfect example of what happens because he likes to catch a little bit of that show. Right. And he likes to catch a little bit of it. But he likes to catch it because it's out right after. And you get to feel the show. a little bit more of the show. Into the badlands? No, no.

No, talking down. And so by the time, so then he tried to get into the badlands, couldn't do it. And he goes away. He doesn't come back. Yeah. And that's what the ratings. They are. That's what the ratings are showing.

Tank's big time. And if I'm Hardwick, I'm pissed. Yeah. Yep. Well, it's. So we got the season finale. It's midseason finale. Or midseason finale.

I'm sorry. Is that really? I mean, is it, this was eight? This is episode eight? Seven. Okay, so Wow. It just feels like there's been nothing.

I feel like nothing's happened. Well, we've gone from, we've taken it from now to before. Right. Before to now. But really, yeah, the entire point of eight episodes was to explain what happened in one event. Uh-huh.

One day. Yes. Which is, that's why it's like, it feels like we haven't gone anywhere. Right. Because we've not gone anywhere. Yeah. Okay.

And we lost the lead character. Yes. Right. We lost Nick? Well, not really, because he was in the show last night. Well, that's true. So I do like the idea of the nobody dies, right? Because if you keep the timeline of always having the before and the now,

then you can have new characters and you can have the old characters. So you've got two sets of plot lines going. My brain is bleeding. But tomorrow should be the last episode of Nick. Should be. You mean this week? This coming week. Yeah, Sunday.

What I say? Tomorrow. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were sober. Apparently not. So, wow. So, wow. Time has gone really fast.

So that's before now and now before before. And we're here now. Did I tell you about my breakfast? Because it was really good. There was mushrooms in here. There's meat. Thanks for listening to Talking Fear. And we'll see you next week.

Appreciate it.