Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 4 Episode 9: "People Like Us" - 8/13/18

Episode Date: August 13, 2018

Joining me is Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher: THAT MAKES THIS ‘TALKING FEAR’ Welcome back…There has been so much dead news during this summer vacation / mid season break IMDB description… Morgan tries to help Alicia and this fractured group of survivors as a storm brews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Blaze Radio Network On Demand Season 4, back from the mid-season break or, you know, summer vacation, as we like to call it, episode 9 titled People Like Us. Jeff Fisher, joining me with on the cast, Jason Butchell and Maximus Fisher, and that makes this talking fear.

It seems like so much has happened since we've had an actual episode of Walking Dead, whether it be Walking Dead or fear the Walking Dead. So much has happened between the shows. I don't know that we actually have enough time today to fill this podcast with nothing but just talk of behind the scenes. Rumor and is that what you're talking about? I know.

Rumors, theories, confirmations. Actual facts of what's going on behind the scenes, what's happening with the shows. So, you know, and, outside of the show with their you know the talk show that's related to uh the dead series with talking dead oh my gosh i'll edit that out don't worry i'm not going to mention that and uh so let's i mean i guess we should probably just um you know say welcome back was an interesting midseason break between uh fear i'm back and uh joy joy is the word out of

I was thinking that brings you back. Maximus, thank you. And so we might as well just, we can start with, let's go through this episode and then we'll kind of talk about behind the scenes. We might have to just, we're definitely going to do a special episode before the Walking Dead starts up again. I might protest a little bit on that outline because I don't know if you can talk about where the show ended up last night.

I know. Without first talking about. who was leaving the regular show. Okay. I mean, we can do that. You know what I'm saying? Look,

I'm flexible. Because we had a good theory going on in our chat thing yesterday, which I think hits it exactly what's going on. I think so too. Do tell this theory. Well, okay, to preface that. So we know that Homegirl playing Maggie, what's her name?

Lauren Cohen. Whatever, her name is it? Orne Cohen. Yeah. British chick? Yeah. That's like saying, the British actor? Yeah, cool.

That's like saying, okay, 95% of the cast on this show. Anyway, so we know she's leaving. Right? She is? So her days are numbered. Yep, she's gone. She's leaving. She's not going to be on the show anymore.

And she signed a new deal for this season, but I'm not sure if it's, I think it's just this season. And she's already signed a deal and recording for movies and another television show. Yeah. Already doing that. So she's gone. Was it Linda Cohen? Is that right? I didn't look it up.

I think that's her name. Anyway. Anyway. What'd you say? Lauren. Yeah. And then we also know that the main character is leaving. We know that, and we've already lost Carl.

So we're losing all the main characters of this show. I mean, who from the original crew is still going to be there? Darryl. Darryl, Carol. Morgan, if he comes back. Well, we'll get to. Okay, we'll get to that. Because he's already, because he left.

Right. He left and he's on to fear, but we'll get to that. Yeah. Left to save. fear. And what she did. Which, which he did. Okay. But again, we'll get to that. So, really, I mean, where are they going, we know they're going to go back to the

Whispers, which. But what I saw in that trailer, it looked like they were going to do some whisperer stuff. Yeah, I think that's confirmed. Yeah, that's confirmed. Oh, yeah, it is confirmed. They're having someone play Alpha. Yay. Yes, they've already, they've already got someone already casted for Alpha, someone from the United

Kingdom. I can't remember her name now. What? Surely not. Surely not I saw an interview with her And all I could think of was you, Jason You know what?

If you're an American actor right now This is what I want you to go do Just go to the UK Go and invade all of their shows All of their like news shows Because all the British news commentators Pundits want to come here Go and just invade every single one of their shows

Do that for me please Infiltrate and see how they feel I know Just just complete You know what I mean Now we also know that, you know, Rick, Rick is probably going to be gone before the season is over, right? I mean, the way it sounded was mid-season.

Yeah. Which is fascinating. Which is shocking. I don't know if they're going to do it like fear did, though, with the, you know, he's dead, but he's not dead and we're going to remember him the rest of the season. Flashback. Yeah. I mean, you know what, guys, this might be my last season.

I know. Unless it's like they just pull a holy crap, you know, this ended up being good for. for some weird reason. I don't know. But I mean, every time, I mean, I've said this before, every time they veered off of the original plot line, you know, when they've got,

when they've done something besides, besides Daryl, really, is really the only thing that I was like, okay, that actually worked out pretty long. They always hang their head on him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Right. I mean, yeah, it's made them cocky. Yeah. You know, it's like, oh, see, yeah, we did Daryl, you know? Well, let's see. Shut up and just watch.

I mean, typically we've done that. But, I mean, every time they veered off, it's usually when we've had the biggest complaints on the show. When you screw with that, we end up getting pissed. Right. So now we know that they're going to, now we're still talking about Walking Dead here. We haven't even touched on fear.

We know that they're going to time jump walking dead. Yeah, about like they did in the comics, maybe about a year or two. Okay. All right. So now let's move to fear. Okay. We time jumped to get Morgan there.

Right? It'll take him at least a season or two because all he did was whine that he wanted to go back to Virginia this whole episode. I got to get back to my friend Rick. I miss him. I wish I had to left him.

We shouldn't have broke up. I love him. Which makes, again, which makes no sense because when he left, it was like, the writers made it out to be like, this was his last shot. Otherwise, the character was probably going to commit suicide or something like that. Like this was the only choice.

You know what I mean? So there's no reason why he should all of a sudden within what a few months be like, okay, screw it. I don't want to come back. Although it makes no sense. Although it would be cool to see Al and maybe John or June in, uh, in, uh, in, dead. All especially, especially John. Imagine John and Rick meeting.

Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Well. And see now that's where we get to the. point. All right. So we're going to spend this season of fear, at least this back half of this season of fear, Morgan trying to leave. He's not going to be able to because we've got the big storm coming in, which is, you know, the giant hurricane. I don't know that it's been confirmed, but they were filming in Austin, Texas, and that's, you know, they were filming during Harvey.

So I'm sure that that's, you know, they've used it to their advantage. There's a hurricane. We're filming. I like that scene, you know what I mean? But did it not, did it not seem like a rip off of another show to you? The opening, the opening scene where the, and they did it again in the middle of the show, too, where the walkers are flying through the air. That was amazing. Yeah, it did, I was so, such a great, I love the movie Twister. One of my favorite movies of all time. And that was definitely Walker. I was thinking, we got debris, we got debris. Cows! We got cows! I was thinking a little bit of Shark Nato in there, too.

Yeah, yeah. I got to go. We got cows. That's so funny. Yeah, so, I mean, that was kind of funny. Now, so my theory, and our theory, the show's theory, is that they're doing all of this because I got to believe that maybe Walking Dead is good for another season. Maybe. I'll give you one more season.

Rick not there. We're going to try to hang our hat on Daryl. We're going to try to hang her head on Michone, Carol, some of the other characters and working big, and then make it work. But I think really what they'll do is that will be the final season of one of the shows, whether it be fear or Walking Dead.

And they're going to just merge them. I absolutely agree. I think this is the final season. final season of two shows. I bet you they end up just calling it Walking Dead and just keeping that. But think about that, this episode, like that bomb they dropped out of nowhere, where Morgan's like, yeah, I'm thinking about going back. We were like, what?

I was just like, huh? It's such a 180, 180 degrees like shift. I don't think this is what I think. I think that, so they had Morgan go to try and save fear. They had all these other characters go hired on. all these other actors, big names to save fear. They got rid of the actors that everybody was agonized with. But then I think this happened.

I think that, so they had every intention of keeping two shows going. But then Rick quit. What's her name? Andrew Lincoln. No, no. Lauren, go ahead. Her. And then they had her, Maggie, also jump on that bandwagon.

And so now they were like, they had a switch. And they were like, oh, wait, crap. Now we have to have all these other people that we wanted to save this show come back. and save the original show. What about... I bet you they scrapped the entire script for what they... For fear.

I bet you. I bet you they had the script planned out, or at least an outline. I bet you they threw it away, whited it up, threw it in the trash can, and said, okay, now we're completely redoing this season to have them come bail out walking dead.

What I'm wondering is, how do you think Alicia would do on dead? Well, that's what's so funny is Morgan tried to think, make her seem like she would get along with them of those people. Alcoholics strand. They really build Alicia up because she's the last of the original crew, right?

She's the last of it. Strand was not really, Strand was in the first season, but he wasn't part of the original. It was the family. Yeah. She's the last of the family. Everyone else is gone. Well, we, yeah, I mean, we kind of think Madison died, but she did. At least that's.

She could look. Madison could be alive. They could absolutely drag her out of the woodwork saying that she was, been living in the cellars of the stadium underneath, you know, living off Walker Poo for a year and now she's finally dug her way out. They could, you know what I mean?

They can absolutely bring her back. They could, but they'd be stupid to do it. Very doubtful. Yeah. What were you guys like when Madison died? Great. Standing up and cheering. Yeah.

That's like that's how bad the character was. Like, I did not care. Like they were trying to force an emotional response out of you. They sure were. Them all crying on the video that Al was doing. The whole show was based up with the older characters was they were trying to force them and our responses on us.

Nick became a better character. But then he got shot. Well, yeah. I mean, both the dad and Nick were becoming better characters and then they killed them off. So that's fine. Goodbye. Have a nice day. We didn't care when Nick died.

We didn't care when Madison died. All their main characters. we did not care when they died. The guy cared about was the old man. The Salvadorian guy? Yeah, same. It's the only guy I cared about. Yeah, same.

What about? But it's like, so they knew that they did not hit on their lead actors. They knew they didn't hit on them. So they had to bring in all these other people to save the show, which again, cracks me up, Jeffrey. You and I always talk about this, is that the media was like, what an amazing show. You're like, Madison, the matriarch. You know, and like all this great stuff.

And this is overtaking. walking dead, then why did you fire? If it was everyone, send it in a completely different direction, and now you're going to merge both. Probably you can emerge both shows. It sure looks that way. And they definitely don't have to.

That's walking dead right there texting me saying, shut up. Don't let people in on your theory. It's right. That's totally what's happening. It is. You know, even the storylines are doing now, like, okay, so to get back to last night's episode.

But they're all like, you know, strands. Strand's alcohol. I love the mansion, but strands and alcoholic. He's a drunk alcoholic. He's always been a drunk. Yeah, but this is, but not to this level. Like perpetually drunk. And they've got some, they've got some Austin house outside of Austin that, you know,

a relatively nice place. A little bit. A little bit. What's her name, Luciana just sitting in there like in a daze staring at the wall? Records? Listening to records? Yeah. Well, she, no, they're not just records of discs because his strand went in and turned off

the stereo, so she was also, she did have CDs, but she also had records. You guys said, but they had, she, they kicked the turntable in the movie. Can I bring in an old school pop culture reference really quick? Sure. Did you, have you guys seen the, the Golden Child, Eddie Murphy, one of my all-time favorite movies? No. No, it's been a long time. You haven't?

I think I like old movies, so. So, I don't, so maybe everyone listening to this. this might not even get this. Maybe I was just an idiot for loving that movie. It's possible. Late 80s or something like that. Yeah, I understand. Eddie Murphy walks in. You're gonna make me watch it now. Eddie Murphy walks in to get like this like, to hear from the soothsayer down in this like basement. And it's like some like half, half dragon chick or whatever. And all you see is like her silhouette. And there's like music playing in the background. She's like smoking cigarettes and she like tells the future.

And then when he's leaving, Amy Murphy's like, and you, you're not a normal chick. Can't be sitting in the basement all the time. You know, listen to records and smoke. cigarettes and the moment I saw luciana i was like oh my gosh it's like listen to the record smoke a cigarette you're not a normal child it was so great and then uh the the walker that went in the house yeah they made that that that whole scene was like uh really strange not sure why they it was almost like it wasn't real but then they it seemed like they filmed it like they wanted us to think that it wasn't real you know almost like um What's the, shoot, I can't remember this stupid movie I'm thinking of now.

Speaking of old movies and the way that they shoot them. But that whole fight scene was Strand and the walker and behind her and she wasn't noticing. And then, you know, then he finally kills it and gets up and kicks the turntable. And she's like, what? Every storyline, that one right there, even to Alicia, you know, like she has nothing to live for. She's living in the garden house. She had that one, that one, you know, like, you know, virtue project that ended up being pointless. Basically, what they're saying is, you know, as a writer, I noticed these little, these little nuances.

And, you know, like, how they're, how they're setting all these things up. Yeah. But as a writer, I, I noticed, I noticed what they're doing. See where they're coming from. Yeah. But what they're basically doing is, is they're, they're setting up every, they're illustrating how no one there has a reason to live in this location. Right. They're backing, they're, they're giving all the,

evidence that Morgan is going to need to eventually when they all get together go, look, you're just you know, the half dragon chicks smoking cigarettes in the basement listen to records. Why are you here? You're just drinking all the time, doing nothing.

And oh, and by the way, did you notice? He was all like, this is an extensive, like very nice wine collection. And then they show him driving in the car with a twist top bottle of wine. It wasn't even a cork bottle. Come on, man. I didn't notice it. I was like, literally, Like went to 7-Eleven and got that wine.

Oh, crap. Did you get the great wine? Oh, no, shoot. Hey, set per, you know, PA, go off. You don't take the good stuff on the road. It literally got a production assistant to run out of 7-Eleven and get that real quick. So funny. Crack me up.

I didn't notice it was a twist top. Twist-top, yeah. Go back and watch the other. It cracked me up. And so, yes, absolutely. And you've got, you've got. Alicia, who is just there. I mean, there was the walkers with a pinned help.

Well, right, because she has. no reason to live, right? That's her little task. And then we have John and the wannabe wife who are struggling. She doesn't want to go back to the cab, and he's trying to... Because she was like, again, with her, she's like, I don't want him to know me for that person.

So they're going to say, okay, we have to go somewhere else. Well, I got to know her for us. Dead. Let's see. I'm tired of her. First was... Episode two. We knew her. We first met her as Naomi. Then we found out she was Laura, even though the timeline why she was Laura first. And then after all of that, I was thinking, oh, her

real name's Naomi. No, but real name's actually June and Naomi was another alias. See, the writing her almost is, to me, they're writing her almost as like the current version of Nick. Like the person that they want you to like, but they're so unlikable. It's like, you can't just, you can't just lie to the audience the entire time. And then all of a sudden go, oh, but now I'm me and everything's great, right? No, because if you, if you're, if it's anything like Nick, we know that this person is going to be a douche the entire time. And she has been. and then we had our girl, Al.

Charlie, or what, no, no, well, Al is, there's another one now. Al's going to want a document. She's already said she's going. She's on board. Right, she's on board. She's already, she's got the truck. Apparently they've got, they're hauling a wagon of gasoline behind that thing because it's about two miles to the gallon.

So I'm sure there's plenty of gas to get across the country. I love how she said where she was welding the new artillery. And then she was like, I made compromises to weld that thing on. yeah yeah so you know we're gonna we know that she'll probably gonna lose something in the storm you know some of the truck will be maybe maybe and maybe the truck will be harmed enough to where they're gonna have to you know walk to virginny virginny so and then we've got to the girl right charlie yeah who agonizing who killed nick still try to like her i don't know she's running away that's word ended, right?

Yeah, she's running away, which is, that's what makes, so they'll bring her along. Did Luciana go after her? Yes. Yes. Because she went back in, she was going to let her go, and then she went back in and saw the books from the backpack and knew that it was just a little girl that wanted to read. And that was also, if I remember correctly, that, also, if I remember correctly, that book she left inside the house was the one Nick gave her.

So, yeah, probably, yes. I'm sure it was. I am right. And so, you know, look, she's this psychopath little chick who is not afraid to kill, has been hanging around all these psychopaths for the past two or three years, whatever the time jump is. And then she's down by the riverbank and a walker comes and she's frozen. She's like a deer in the headlights. She can't do anything.

Stop it. I just want to point this out. Baby Carl would have taken that sucker out. Absolutely. Taking him out. Well, he did almost the same thing. in like I think the second season when he was at the swamp and then

Earl saw the Walker and he just backed away and he couldn't do anything after that then he started killing walkers but right right because he realized I need to kill them but she's already killed she's been running around with the Voltures forever I mean she's already killed Nick I mean the vultures are dead the vultures are gone so yeah I mean she's just I noticed the one scene And I thought, is that Charlie?

The very first scene when they didn't introduce her when Morgan was talking to John and she's sitting in the front of the bus, she just see the open out of the back of her head. I'm like, I mean, she doesn't turn around. She doesn't say hello, nothing. She just sits in the bus. She didn't say a word this episode. Good. Yeah. Thank you.

It was a strange. And so I really, by the end, we're getting into the story. storm, right, which is Harvey. And that's going to completely slow them down. They're breaking off. What about John? She took off, didn't want to stay with Morgan in the middle of the storm, which is so weird. I mean, maybe she'll blow away.

We'll be done with all the original cast. You know, that she does, that her barrel knife is made out, completely out of metal. Right. We're in a big storm. Yeah, I know. There's lightning. That'd be a shame if she got killed. You asked what about John?

I think John will, I think they telegraphed it. I'm almost, it's almost guaranteed that I think he'll go back to try and at least look at the cabin, but it'll be destroyed. Because again, they're telegraphing this so hard. Everyone's got to come to the realization that there's nothing left for them there. They've got to move on. You really think the cabin would be destroyed? I think so. I mean, he locked the door when he left.

Yeah. That was really funny. Yeah, I think so too. Because not only, I think you're going to find that the people who, you know, there's other people alive actually and it's probably destroyed it's going to be open and torn apart well no one really found the cabin when he was living there the only one who really found it was laura or june when she washed up yeah he should have pushed her off oh look she's dead push her off you know i there was actually a lot of good things that are like in this episode i thought i think like

there was there was a lot of good walker action there was there was uh the the the the dead scene where Morgan and Alicia dropped those. Oh, where they dropped? That was dope. The lumber mill? The log jam. That was dope. The whole lumber mill scene was good. I expected a little bit more from that, though.

I mean, yes, it was good. You're right. And it was enjoyable. It was a good, fear, dead scene. And, you know, because she was going to try to attack them. And he's like, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we'll just get them out here. Let's go. But I don't know.

I thought it would, we, I thought we were going to at least introduce another character. And then we, and then she walks in the office, you know, a dead Walker guy in the office. I don't think we get any new characters because they've got, now they've got a, they've got a, they've already got a ton of characters. They're going to be injecting if our theory is correct into the other show. That's true. I don't, I don't see, like, I think it's a good thing, actually, because I think fear on its own is a bland show. Yes. It's like, it's not.

And dead without Rick is going to be. A bland show, really. I mean, they still have the comic storylines, but they don't have the strong personalities to live in those stories. Well, they have Neegan. He's not Rick, though. I don't know. He's not Rick. Negan is a great character, and it has been a great character for Walking Dead.

But Rick is, he's our guy. He's the guy that's been there from the beginning. He's the guy that wrapped our hearts around that show. One thing Andrew Lincoln said about this new season, Andrew Lincoln said, has been very vocal on what his favorite episode has always been, which has been the pilot, the first episode. He said this season, which I've looked in interviews, he's never said this about any other season,

that there is an episode in this season that in his mind rivals the pilot. I'm sure. And they're riding horses and they're back to the beginning. They say junk like that before every season. No, no. Andrew Lincoln. When it's his last season. Andrew Lincoln has never said like his,

something that has rivaled his favorite episode. He's never said that. Imagine that. He says that in his final season. Like, of course he's going to say that. As long as we're on this, he says, he'll pisses me off. It's Andrew Lincoln leaving. Dude, you have been on this ride for nine years.

And now you're going to leave at the end when, let's just peek it up. You can't be Rick for another season? At least a full season for crying out loud. Right? You can't be Rick for another season? I mean, they, I mean, you're already typecast as Rick from the Walking Dead for another few years. So just ride with it.

So he's, the next storyline after Whispers is the one that's not fully out yet, right? The Commonwealth, yeah. Yeah. I haven't finished that. I haven't, since I went to summer camp, I haven't finished. I haven't caught up with the comics that much. He's always got an excuse of why he hasn't finished. That's why you're here, Max.

You're the expert. Thank you. I'm still, well, how am I supposed to be the expert on fear? There's no comic equivalent. That's a good point. That's why it sucks, too. There's no reference point. Yeah, there's no good storyline to back in it up.

You said when they changed stuff too. Carol died during the prison and Morgan died, I think, way before that in the comics. I think fear has done a dramatic, I won't say dramatic. I think fear has gotten better. So what's hilarious is when the media was saying it was great was the lowest The lowest of the low point. What was that? The Cowboys and Indians.

And the ratings proved that. That was the middle of season two, right? Like the, I don't know. I don't even know what season we're in now. Four. This is four, right? I guess it is four. But that was the worst it ever was.

And that's when they were like, okay, we got to drastically change things. But. And when they changed it, I thought that they were headed actually in a good direction. I did think that they were headed in a good direction when they were coming to Texas with the drug lord. Yeah. Because I thought that will make a good. show. Those loads will make great shows. And then they went away with it with a time jump. Well, I mean, so the show has gotten better. Yeah. And I think it's, I think it's, I think it's just

new characters and you care more about the characters. Not a lot, but you, but at least you do a little bit more. And some of the new characters you care about quite a bit. Like John, I do not want to see him go by that. I'm in that mean death. Yeah, no, I don't either. He still needs more time. He needs, he needs, they need to give him more screen time for sure. What about Al? He needs to be a little bit. I know he's rehabbing and he's recovering and he just wants to, he's trying to be nice to the little girl and everything, but screw her.

It's kind of like, a good analogy as like a football team, like a good football coach will like not just run his system be damned because it's his system. And he'll... You're wrapping around the players. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

So that's exactly. You're right with my thinking here. Like I hope they're not trying to. a force, like, let's say, Alicia, and give her all the screen time because they so want her to be the new Madison. Like, no, like, you've got some very strong characters in, like, Morgan, John. And I'll give you an owl, because I actually kind of like her, her character. Oh, yesterday is yesterday.

What? Yesterday is yesterday. What do you mean? That was her big line. Oh, yeah. Yesterday is yesterday. Oh, then there was her. Is that a thing?

Then there was her in June When they were driving down the road They stopped because there's a tree in the road And then by the stop sign There's a box Yeah, full of stuff that's creating Where's that from? We don't know and we don't even know

If we'll go back to that right Because once the storm hits That stuff is lost I mean he even the no I'm just calling it the box of he now The box Road I think it was Take what you need

Leave what you don't I'll meet you by the river Okay so that was the one storyline that had me kind of doubting our theory. Because I was like, if they find another group that's like, like virtuous or whatever, like they'll stay. They'll stay. Exactly.

So when I saw, when that happened, I was like, hmm. But they may never, but again, that could have been from the, from the episodes before they scrapped it. And they just left it because they can just make it go away because of the storm. Maybe they've searched them out and they find another destroyed compound or something. Or they were going to bring in a new group and decided, oh, no, we can't do that. We're going to go back to Virginia. Yeah.

Virginia. It's like it's the 20s. What's going on out here? I'm not the news. What about John and Strand driving around trying to find Charlie? I don't know. I don't know what to think about that. he's trying to save the kid for some reason.

I mean, everybody has their, see, everybody has their reason for being there, right? We talked about, we talked about Alicia going after the, you know, help me people. And Strand is hanging out of the house, getting drunk, living large in the big house. And what's her face is just drinking, playing records. And Al is still trying to document. Al's just the same. And John is rehabbing, but he's trying to raise a little kid. So maybe, maybe the kid dies.

And John realizes I'm going to go with Morgan. It'll be something like that. Something like that. Maybe we go back to the cabin. The kid dies. And then because they're going to leave what's her face in it. They're going to leave Joan or what's her name? June.

They're going to leave her for some reason. They all like her. And so they'll all go out. I like your idea of going back to the cabin and having it be destroyed. And that leaves them nothing. No ties. Maybe the little girl will die there. Please.

You want her to die Is she the new Enid? Yes Yes she is agonizing How do you think they're going to do Enid in season nine? All right, we're not going to get into dead Oh my God We can't go

I've already got people yelling at me to get the hell out of the studio So we'll wrap up fear Thanks for listening and then we'll give you We'll get into dead for sure I mean we've got a few more episodes of fear you know, the last half of season four before we get into Walking Dead and where there'll be plenty of Dead Talk. Plus, I mean, I've got to talk a little bit about my boy Chris Hardwork at some time, too.

They really are after him. So thanks for listening.