Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 8 Episode 15: ‘Worth’ - 4/9/18

Episode Date: April 9, 2018

SEASON EIGHT EPISODE FIFTEEN OF THE WALKING DEAD TITLED, ‘WORTH’JEFF FISHER HERE, JOINING ME AS PER USUAL ON THIS WEEKS EPISODE BRAD STAGGS, JASON BUTTRILL AND MAXIMUS FISHER.THAT MAKES THIS ‘TALKING WALKING DEAD’ We discuss the latest episode with two predictions from this show coming true, and a look ahead to the season Finale next week. Also a quick look at the season premiere of Fear The Walking Dead next week.We will be doing a live Talking Walking Dead Podcast next Monday 4-16 at 6pm central. Stay tuned on social media for updates. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 8, episode 15 of The Walking Dead titled Worth. Jeff Fisher here, joining me as usual of this week's episode, Brad Staggs, Jason Butchrell, and Maximus Fitcher. And that makes this talking walking dead. All right, before we, there's a whole ton to talk about. But before we get to that, let's tease next week quickly. Next week, we have the finale of Walking Dead and we have the premiere of Fear. Yay! Fear the Walking Dead.

That is the best show. I mean, they are pumping that hard on us. It's starting Bob. It looks kind of good, actually. It does. That's what I'm saying. I've said from the beginning, Morgan will save it at least a year. So, Bob.

And he will. And Bob might too. Bob might too. If he comes out and they introduce him as Bob. I'll eat your songs. Can you imagine like they walk, or better yet, like the main, I don't know anything about fear. They walk up and then he walks up to them and they go, oh, hi, my, hi, my name's Morgan. You look more like a bob.

That would be great. You look like a bob. And we're going to do so then next Monday night, instead of our regular podcast Monday mornings and get it to you on Monday afternoon, Monday night, we're going to do it live. Because we will be so drunk Monday morning? Except me, I can't drink.

I know you'll be drunk too. We're going to force feed you. And in fact, I have to fill in for Doc that morning. Oh, you'll be drunk on the air. Have they said how long those shows are going to be? No, they have not. I assume they're going to be extended. Three hours each.

They're going to be three hours. All about it. Well, we're going to go see it at the theater. We'll do a quick Facebook live at the theater just to see how many people are there to talk about it a little bit. Because I'm hoping that seeing it at the theater, when the commercials are on, we get something different. Yeah. You know, we get, you know, maybe. Then they say there would be a couple extra scenes.

Yeah, I mean, I'm, we don't know what they're going to do. They said no commercials. They already said that. At the theater? Yeah. Then they'll run static between the women's commercial. I don't know. Static.

I just said. I don't know. I don't know if there's any local listeners, but if you want to come out. Especially if you're hot. Especially if you're hot. If you are smoking hot, you are invited. Well, that's why I'm coming.

Right. Why me aside from you? That's why I'll be there. All right. So let's get to this week. Well, live, the live talking walking dead next week, Monday night. It threw you off, didn't? Monday night.

I forgot. Well, I was, yeah. Right. I started thinking about what I was going to wear. Right. It doesn't matter. Monday night. We'll do it live at what, 6 o'clock?

6 p.m. Central, 7 p.m. Eastern. We'll do the Facebook live here, and then we'll do the podcast, and you'll be able to call in 888-903. Use that number to call in Monday night, and we'll take your calls, and we'll take your questions from Facebook Live as well. All right. You're welcome.

That's all I'm saying. All right, let's talk about this week. This will give Max's love before he burst his little bubble. Two predictions from Maximus that were correct. Simon was the big murderer in Oceanside. And that what's his face? What's her face was who naked? Laura.

Yeah. Great calls. 100% correct. And I was, did you guys listen to that other, I don't know what show you're talking about. A little bit. That other talk show after the Walking Dead.

Anyway, so what's his name, Stephen? Steven, He was saying that he was actually kind of pissed off at that revelation because he said that he wanted to know, he said that he would have played the character entirely different if they would have told him that that was what he was all about. Yeah, I heard him say that.

So he said that when he crafted the character, the Simon character, he added in like the comedic relief every once in a while and kind of, that was just, but he said that if he would have known that about him, he would have been a lot more bloodthirsty, a lot more like hardcore at the entire time. And he was pretty good at it.

I mean, think of if he was worse. well and let me okay since we're talking about him did you notice he did because i did watch a little bit more of that show he didn't buy the fact that nigan could beat the crap out of simon either no he bought it i think no he didn't he said well we really had to sell it and i was he was very on the fence about he was very very uh wishy-washy on the because i was like okay this doesn't make sense niggins I don't think Negan could have beat the crap out of Simon the way he did. Simon is a bigger guy, A, he's just, that fight didn't sell it to me. And how long did it last?

Like three short, quick scenes? And all of a sudden, Negan has him on the floor and choking him out. We watched like 90% of the fight and saw what happened. Yeah, but. And Simon got in a few good shots. Yeah, I thought it was pretty even, really until the end. But I think Simon, I still think Simon would have kicked Negan's butt. Well, that's not what happened.

That's not what happened. Also, it looks like Negan isn't going to die. I know. You're all happy about that. Wait, why does it look like that? That, remember, he had a theory about how Negan will probably die at the end of the season. I was hoping. I think he dies.

He has to die by sometime next season. By pure economic reasons, in my opinion. If they do the whispers, if they do the whispers, he's not dying. If they do the whispers, he's not dying. Which it's not really looking like they're going to. I know, but I'm just saying if they do, he's not dying. Well, that's if you believe that they're going to follow the. Which honestly, they might not.

But if they do the whispers, Carl should still be alive as well. Well, but here's the thing with Carl, now I understand why Carl had to die. In the comics, Carl is still a boy, right? Carl's still alive in the comics. But he's still a boy. No. Really? He's a teenager?

Yeah. He's grown up. He's grown up. I was like, he was going to be a girl. No, no. Like, what are you going to get at? No, I mean, he's still a young kid. It's like, dang, the show's getting progressive.

Holy crap. Well, he went through the operation. He found somebody in D.C. to do it. It was very clean, very clean operating room. No, I, my theory was that in the comics, if he had, if he was still a boy, not as opposed to a girl, that in the television show, he was becoming an adolescent and becoming, you know, he was going to be able to take on Rick at that point. Which in the comics, he is.

In the comics, especially when he goes into fighting, he doesn't wear the eye patch anymore. And he's like wearing kingdom armor. And he has a big, cool sword he made himself. Huh. Yeah, so. But it shoots your theory right to hell, doesn't it? So it was a stupid theory.

It was Max's theory. I'm pretty sure I was Matt. I told you, Max. I told you. I told you that wasn't the reason. You just wouldn't listen to me. Plus, as long as we were test on, Carl. All right.

Wow. Bull at her trigger. Actually, I went back and looked at some of those quotes to Max's prediction that Simon was the one that killed off the Oceanside men. And yeah, like the lines actually match up completely. Like, for some reason, I was thinking that they had always been in that Oceanside area. But specifically when they were talking about it, they say that, yes, we lived in a certain area. And then people came in and killed off all of our men. And then we found our new home.

Where did they live before? They lived in the sanctuary, I think. Oh, did they really? Oh. Yeah. Oopsies. And our boy Aaron stuck it out to try to, you know, he's pretty much talked them into fighting now. Yeah.

I really liked that scene with him fighting the walkers in the rain. I really like that scene. Yeah, I mean, he pretty much convinced them that they need to fight. That's the title of his autobiography, Walkers in the Rain. It was very pretty. But I mean, it worked, right? That was his plan. It did, yes.

Yeah. We don't know where the trader is. Eden's out wandering around. She's at Hilltop, probably. Even Gregory said, my intel was a little off. It's because he hadn't seen Enid. Enid was what didn't have any new intel to give him. Good point.

I'm telling you. Very good point. Anyway, and so let's, you know, Carl. Yeah. The boy. Beginning of the show. We're not going to go to the end yet. The beginning of the show.

Really? You're going to see Carl's letter with red. and reading it. I was dreading it. I was so bad. Me too. Actually, a lot of people thought the scene was really good.

Of course they did. I loved our walks. Those were the same people that loved Rick and Michone. When we were three and we'd walk in the park together, hand in hand. Remember when Grandpa used to come over?

Oh, yeah. And he loved me, but he really molested my sister. Right. Yeah, we just glossed over that, though. We don't talk about the molestation of Grandpa. Although we ever did that. Except Judith wasn't alive back before the apocalypse.

other sister the grandpa murdered but don't remember that just remember the good stuff it was just I just don't want to see him turn into Woosrick I know and you know it's coming it sure you can tell it when he looks down and there's there's your boy carrying there's Jerry carrying uh carrying Gracie the baby yeah yeah and it's just uh carry the baby yeah Gracie okay say good night Gracie no it was Gracie okay it was Gracie okay it was greasy say good night Gracie yeah yeah you know I just can't take it. And Michone with her deep in thought,

then she sneaks away and has to read the letter to Negan. Okay, that was a good scene, though. I actually liked that scene. But they missed a good opportunity to her, like, read the first two lines, and all of a sudden it should have gone into Carl's voice reading the letter to Noggan. It would have been a lot.

It would have been great. Yes. Because Niggins would have been here in Congress. Yes, exactly. Absolutely. So a production, a quick production, a little tidbit, he actually had,

an earbud in his ear. Rick did. Yeah. And he was, you heard that? Yeah. And he was listening to the, he actually listened to the Carl, what's his name? Chandler Riggs. Chandler Riggs read the letter. I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah. But anyway. It was a wissy letter. So yeah, so to Max's point, it was a good scene because the way they did it was good. I just don't want to hear that crap right now and I don't want to see that crap right now.

Okay, what about it? It was a great scene except for the wussy part of the whole thing. What about Negan's response to show reading the letter? What's that? What about Negan's response to the letter? Well, I mean, that was great, of course. He's had enough. And that's probably why they didn't switch to Chandler-Ring's voice reading the letter, because that would have been Negan saying, screw you to Carl.

Not Michelle. Right. Yeah, that's a good point, too, at the end. I was just going to say that because had it been Carl, he wouldn't have been able to say no. Because he was all ready to make the deal with Carl at Alexandria. Remember when then the fighting started? Yeah. And kind of a weird, I don't know, it was kind of a.

So at first, I remember, I think I texted at some point. Oh, we'll go through the group text. I was thinking that like, so I was like, huh? So I was like, Neegan was actually the lesser of the two evils. And Simon was proving to be the worst of two of the two evils. Well, that's what that's part of the deal, right? I mean, that's what they're trying to do is they're trying to lessen Negan as the bad guy. But not anymore.

They can't. Yeah, like at that point, he was like, nah. You know, it's like, you couldn't, I can't remember his direct quote, but he was like. I wouldn't. I wouldn't accept. No, I don't know. I wouldn't accept your surrender even if you came to me on your knees. Yeah.

So now he's like, and the only winning is killing you all. Yeah. And that like war of attrition strategy was just big news. But how many saviors can possibly be left? 12? I don't know. I mean, they've all, he just, they just mowed down 10 of them out there. That was a good scene though, where, with, uh, with Simon and Dwight and the other

saviors playing. And then you hear the whistling and then you're like, oh, no. And then 10 of them got mowed down. So how many can be left? They're like the incredibly multiplying. It was close to it. It was at least eight. Half a dozen.

Remember the ambush where they first? Like, what was that season seven or when, was that when Glendon? Yes. Remember how many there were? They kept doubling up every time they come up. Yeah. I was like, you kidding me with this? A set of scenes because that was like, wow, there's a bazillion of them.

So even if a fraction of those people are still alive, then they still got pretty good numbers. Yeah, there was a bunch of people that were at the sanctuary that really are warriors, but they're still part of the sanctuary. Right, but they're not the fighters, so they're not that scary. So all the ones that were captured at Hilltop and got out,

remember, they got eaten last week. And Morgan, I reckon Morgan. Yeah, and so, I just, I don't know. It's like how many can possibly be left. And what about the way Simon went out? Not the fight, but the way Negan choked him out. I just,

I just did not like that scene. Lucille should it... I agree, yeah. Okay, so what good is Lucille now? I was expecting Lucille as well. That was kind of... I really do. I think that the one-on-one, you know,

I get the reason why they did the one-on-one because Neegan had to prove that he's still in charge. With Lucille. I think, right. I think that had he just, after they wiped out his... After they, he killed the coup. Right. And he just had Simon out there by the dumpster when he was killing,

when he was sticking his bat into the heads of the, of the guys that had just been shot. That's when he should have just swung. Yes. Killed Simon. Yeah. And then drugged the dead body inside and said, everybody was trying to follow him. And I don't like Simon on the fence either as the Walker.

That was just silly. I actually kind of liked Fesson. Yeah. I didn't mind it. It was comic bookie. It was comic bookie. But that's a lot of times they do a comic bookie thing because it's, excuse me, graphic novelty. It was graphic novel.

And at the end of the episode, a bit a bit saturated, but we finally see Dwight become the right-hand man to Negan. Right before he, they find out, right before he exposes him. Niggins played that well, right? I mean, Negan brought him. Oh, you knew that something was going to happen. He could play that great. He brought it all together. It was really good.

He secured his power back, got his base back, one-on-one, showed that he was still in charge, and showed that he knew what was going on behind the scenes. He was getting lied to. He played it all. He brought it all back to him. But if you're Dwight at that point and you know, okay, I'm toast. Oh, and the fake plans? Right.

That was cool. Yeah, I mean, that was part of his securing. But if you're Dwight at that point, you realize, oh, crap, this is it. don't you grab for somebody's gun and eat the bullet because he knows it's not I mean he's had the iron now I mean he's gone this far as stayed alive yeah but I don't know once he saw her in there and realize oh crap they know I'm the traitor and I don't know it just seems to me that the only way out at that point is you eat the bullet so basically they're just using him now to feed to feed misinformation right to Rick in the game well that's what they did this time but I'm assuming right

But I'm not Then What was What's he going to I mean there's no way he's going to do that now Now right Yeah it is Well he's not going to

They can still have him keep doing it Still have him keep sending messages Stuff like that That goes totally against That's true It doesn't necessarily have to be him sending it Right He's still alive though

Unless The only way that they could get him To send false information Is if they find Sherry She's still alive and they threatened to do bad things to her. And Negan pretty much figured out he lied to him about it. Well, he did say, yeah.

I bet you're even lying about it. So I'll bet you Sherry shows back up. I think you're exactly right, yeah. And that's the only thing that would make Dwight turn on Rick. Rick at this point. He wouldn't care about himself, I wouldn't think. And what about Gregory? Well, Gregory is just trying to stay alive like everybody else.

Like Eugene, putts. Well, before we get to Eugene, before we get to Eugene, you have to, you have to, you have a bit that scene where Gregory was yelling at Simon and Simon just threw him down was pretty good. Yes, it was pretty good. Although I will say that I think that actually goes, that scene actually goes to what Stephen Org was saying on that other show. What is it? Og. Stephen Org was saying, Steve lets me call him Org. That's just the thing that we have. Like Org chart.

is that when he knocked him down and then asked him to get coffee, okay, had he, that character, he's trying to be kind of funny there, right? Kind of cartoonish. And that's what he said, had he known that he was going to be the Oceanside guy, he might have played that. That's another scene that he would have played different. Yeah. Anyway, it was an enjoyable scene.

And it's funny how Gregory has, he's such a douche, but he's stayed alive like the rest of him, man. He's got that knack for staying alive. Yeah. I mean, that's what you have to be at, right? All right, so let's talk about Eugene. Ashhole. Wow, nice.

Before we get to him and Norseed, what do you think of the beginning with him in the outpost and the other workers in Gabriel? Well, Eugene is, I believe that he's 100% gone now. You think he's Negan? Yes, absolutely. You cannot convince him. convince me otherwise. And I don't think, and I think honestly, if once somebody else knows how to make bullets, they should just kill him, be done with it.

And Rosita should just do that. Rosalie should just kill him, be done with it. She wants to anyway. And she should kill him in that skirt she was wearing last night on that other show. Oh, man, I wish we could, we need a whole other podcast to talk about that. Yes. Yeah. Babes on dead. I was like, what? Wow. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

It would have been even better for... It may have been mentioned in the group text that would... It would have even... It would have been even better for Jason if it was Rosita and Jadis on the other show. Oh, you dude. It just turned easy to have mass. It is... Right.

Temperature in this room, just shut up. That's because you're sitting next to it. Yeah. And I'm surprised that I didn't understand. You know, they took Eugene. I just seemed like they were smarter than that as all. I don't know. At that point, when they first started that,

I was like, what are they doing with this scene? Because it felt like they were just stalling for time. It was irritating to me. I was like, I don't care to see Eugene given all these instructions of these people. We know what he's doing.

And I was like, what are they doing? And then literally two seconds later, he walks outside, and his guard got crossbow bolt to the face. And I was like, what about the scene? What about the? How did he bury himself in ashes with his hands tied?

I know. You could still roll around in them. He wasn't just rolled around in them. He was underneath them. He had, I mean, he was very well, obviously. It was almost as if he was underneath a tarp. Yeah. And Darrell's smarter than that.

You'd think. Daryl's smart. Yeah. They both go right. It's like Scooby-Doo. There's no way. I know. I know.

Yeah. There's no way that Darrell comes around that corner and Eugene can't be seen. He doesn't think that he's... Daryl was like a tracker. Yeah. Come on, give you a break. I know. There's no way he doesn't...

Hey, what are these footsteps going into this big pile of ash? Yes, exactly. And why there'd be little puffs of ash blown up because it would still be settling... Yeah, there's just a lot. It wasn't like it was a week. And he had a week to bury... It was like literally, what, five minutes, maybe?

If that. If that. No, that's probably it wasn't even that. Right. There was no way that you could get that far where... That's what I mean. Daryl wouldn't have come around there and said, Eugene's just disappeared?

Right. Oh, look. There's a pile of burned body ash. I wonder what could happen if someone buried themselves in it. He is such a douche. Only Eugene would have the, hey, maybe if I throw up all over this hot chick, I can get away. How dare you? How dare you?

It was smart. You have to admit, it was smart. No, I will not admit that, Max. He threw up on Rosita. And if you think about what he threw up. He was dead to me before. Sardines and mac and cheese. Oh, gosh.

That's right. It was the same color. I didn't even think about that. It was so good. Think about how bad that had to have smelled. Oh, my gosh. And then we have that talk he had with Gabriel about him, like, using the bullets and saying, this could really hurt our soldiers. I'm guessing this was all that.

Well, because it's, no, it actually makes sense for Gabriel, especially because of his backstory of him walking his other people from the church outside. just him being a coward and laying him eating. And then he's saying, is this God's way of telling me I haven't changed? I actually like that about Gabriel. That is one thing I actually like about Gabriel. I like, I've liked his character.

He's a spineless weasel? No, his character development. Oh. But then he devolve right back into spineless weasel. No, that's what he's thinking. That's what he is thinking himself. That's the point. Have you ever heard the old saying you are what you think, Max?

Yes, I have heard that. weird because I just made it up. But the thing is, he's such a weasel. I mean for anybody to lock their congregation out of their church. Yes, and he admits that and he has regretted that every day.

And he's devolved right back into the weaselness. Oh, he's just a weasel. I don't think so. I feel you, Max. I feel you on this. Thank you. I don't think he's devolved. He's just like, he's just got like an inner struggle, I think. It's like he's not doing it. Like he has no choice. He has no choice but to be

he's at. He's blind and he's surrounded by bad guys. You know what I mean? Like I thought he was even being more harsh on himself than he had to be. Yes. Why does he just refuse to work then? He said he does fear death. Weasel.

Back to Weasel. Just saying. I don't know. It was hard for me to hate anybody more than I was hating Eugene in this episode. Me too. Me too. I was reading a comment saying You know, I thought I couldn't hate a character more than I already did, and Eugene just boosts expectations.

He has no kidding. Yeah. That's a fact. He did do a good job of making us hate him more. He's a scumball. I don't understand. I mean... With very good survival skills.

Yeah, I mean, he's lived, right? He's made it all the way through. I love the nickname. He's talked to him and he talked to our boy and Rosita into bringing him along, fooled him thinking he was the guy that had the cure. could get them to cure. He and Gregory could be roommates. Yes.

They'd be a force to be reckoned with. That would be good. Yeah. And then we have, and then this was kind of what on, so what's said on the other show is this is kind of disrespecting the memory of Abraham. Oh, yes. Yes,

totally. Because Abraham would right now be kicking Eugene's butt. Well, if Abraham was still alive, I don't think Eugene would have done this. Well, yeah. That might be true.

Yeah. Because Abraham already kind of forgave him for the... Yeah, and he was kind of... And Eugene started... And Eugene started butching up a little thanks to you. And thanks to that. And then the lineup happened. Yeah.

So he's... Eugene just go... He... Whoever he is most scared of at the time. And right now he's most scared of Negan. But, you know, we'll see. we'll see all right so

before we have to know next week I know I know I'm excited about next week actually it should be good they said the reports are that they had given like four different different angles

the way that it's going to end so I want ideas on who dies other than Negan which I know you think I don't think megan's going to die next week not now

yeah They will at least keep him as a cliffhanger until next season. He needs to be there for next year. He has, yeah, he has value as a cliffhanger. Next season he's still, I mean, he's been really good. And the reason he's been really good is because they've turned him into a nice, tried to make him into a nicer guy and tried to make into a guy that, you know, wants to. Well, he's always been like that.

They haven't changed his character that much. Yeah, because he wants everybody to live and live happily ever after. and now they've made trying to make Rick into the worst guy worse than Negan but then you know he reads one letter and then he pusses out again stop well with Negan they haven't changed his character that much everyone just and then I love how I've read comments like oh Negett's a bad guy kill him and then I read a comment replying to that saying you do know Rick was the one who killed all the saviors in the first place which made negan kill Abraham and glen right not that much different no they're not that much different no they're enough. Yeah, Rick and Egan aren't that much different. It just depends on whose side you come down on, really. Because Negan tried to keep his people alive, and Rick has done the same thing. Well, Rick would never subjugate people and use terror to make them do his bidding. That's a pretty big difference right there. I bet we can go back. I can't think of an example right now, but I bet if we went back and combed through

the episodes, we'd find an example of him doing it. I don't know. I don't think so. You don't? I don't think so, because it's always... Go ahead. No, I mean, he was always... he was in charge but there was plenty of times when I mean I don't think so I'd have to go back and because he's done some pretty heinous things biting the I mean the throat but that was to stay alive for him

it was revenge up for Carl yeah I would say in some of the instance where they're similar it would be they're both willing to use violence and they can both do it very effectively but I think Rick does it more in defense and then, you know, in defense of him and his people, and Negan is more towards like, well, how can I take advantage of this?

You know, how can I take advantage of people? Okay, so we started out with Jason wondering on the group text. I wonder if Rick will turn into pussy Rick after reading calls. Better not. Simon might be going down tonight. The show is just getting underway. I mean, there's a night he hasn't even started yet. That's what I was about to say Simon must be dealt with.

As in dying, no other connotation. This letter's gay. Crap. Crap, this letter's gay. Shut up, Carl. Did Gregory rehearse this speech with King Ezekiel? That was agonizing. Max loved it, though.

Of course. It was hilarious. Andrew G. needs to die. Maybe it's just me. I hate it when they do is they're stalling and that's what we're talking about a little bit right so we're going to

the first part just crawled what's that? The first part of the episode just crawled along. 30 minutes was over like that and it was like well that's they've done that the last two weeks though right?

Yeah. The first at least the first 30 to 35 minutes have been nothing really. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next 30 to 35 minutes

right? here it comes he's talking about ocean side max was right that's what I said no he wasn't I'm just teasing he keeps out effing with Dwight I know that he just kept messing with him the whole time that was good though

and you were right Max it was Lori in the car yeah it was and she was and she was she was out of all the time now then we had a side A side conversation about the Microsoft AI commercial. Oh, God, I'm sick of that. Yes. I actually, I like that commercial, but I'm tired of serious.

I did the first 4,000 times I saw it. Jeez, common. I don't care what I'm going to do with it. Shut up. But remember, you have more power in the fingertips of your hands than generations before you. And a little kid does the head exploded thing, and then... What are you going to do with it?

And then I thought... And then we made comments about how Rosita was wearing her weapons. And then Simon ready to kiss Dwight. That was a very weird scene. I thought he was going to, like, slip him the tongue. That was just so bizarre. He kept right up in his face. I'd think of the same thing.

Yeah. Negan does almost the same. I could have sworn I heard Barry White at the back. Negan does that same thing where he gets right in people's faces, but Negan does it to intimidate. Right. How do you bury himself with tied hands? That was so entertaining.

Then you say something like you must have learned that from Negan? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's no kidding. Yeah, there's two episodes in a row now where people with tied up hands have been able to do a miraculous thing. And by the way, I went back and looked at a couple of those great pictures of Negan in the trash dump where he's on the carboard and stuff and he's got the rope and he's got the gun. And one minute he's one minute he's tied up or the next minute he's half free. he could have got out of that easy

he could have yes by pulling up the way his arms were on the rope if he was at the point that he was at there's no way he had to stay in that position right we're going to have to recreate this with you tied up on like a dolly

remember he also had the pictures nice and lined up it's actually funny he did this on Sunday maybe for the Facebook live in the parking lot of the movie theater guys don't want to watch the show guys

I can't get out. Dwight getting it here. Oh, yeah. But he didn't die, though. He didn't kill Dwight yet. No. And then the finale is going to be dope. We'll leave it at that.

I think it is, too. I'm looking forward to it. And then also, we have fear. We've got to talk about a little bit of fear on the premiere. I mean, oh, my gosh. I don't know if I should just book through fear now, like the first three seasons of fear. I don't know if I should do that. I'm here.

We can synopsize it for you. It sucked We'll see you next week