Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 8 Episode 9: 'Honor' - 2/25/18

Episode Date: February 27, 2018

Jeffy Fisher; Brad Staggs, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher discuss the latest with the death of Carl and why Judith should, Lick the Wound... Also a look ahead with Morgan. A look back at best kills and it was just a dream. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to it, Season 8, Episode 9, Honor. That makes this mid-season premiere recap, Talking Walking Dead. With myself, Jeff Fisher, Brad Staggs, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher. Welcome to it. This is where the music will play. All right, we've got the music. We've got the open over with. Now let's get on to the show.

Dear Lord, help us. Dear Lord, help us. I found myself just wishing that Carl would die Well may I point out that right off the bat Just be done with the house good We never actually saw him shoot himself Nor did we see him go in the ground

That's true No we did not but we saw a grave being dug And dirt being thrown in a hole As well as a body under a tarp I'm just saying We never saw him shoot himself Nor did we see him go in the ground That's true and it's possible that you know

Maybe Judith snuck back in lick the wound and he's healed I just saw that tweet oh wait why that was just a text oh is that oh yeah because I you know I didn't want it I had I tweeted lick the wound Judith I don't know that that would have gone yeah I don't think it would have I don't think that would have gone well no one would have been shocked yeah it would have gone viral so that's very possible see what I did there it would have gone viral thank you you're welcome So anyway, you know, it was, it was, I enjoyed the episode. I enjoyed it very much.

Did you cry? No. Did you cry? No. I was kind of torn. You, well, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, not at all. You hesitated just then.

No, I didn't, because the only time in Walking Dead when I really felt compelled to, like, show emotion was during Glenn's death. And I was kind of expecting this. I was hoping this was either going to be one of two things, as profound as the Glenn death sequence. Right. or like a Judith lick the wound type thing and he's not really going to die. Either or. If it wasn't either of it's like,

that's how hard the writers had for this. There were expectations huge on both sides. They really couldn't win with this at all. So I was like, it wasn't as good as the Glenn scene, you know, show. It wasn't a Judith like the wound scenario. That's still funny.

That's still so funny. Welcome to the stage. Judith lick the wound. Episode 10. Wow. Band name. Did you cry, Max?

I was close to, honestly. I was teary. So you're the only man here who will admit that there were tears in his eyes? I would admit to you when I cry.

I cry in movies and I'm not crying at that. You did, Brett? Yeah. Really? It was not emotional with me in the slightest.

It was, I'm sure it was my strange connection with Rick. You know, I've always felt very connected to Rick. So I'm sure that's

what it was. That's like a, yeah, that's like more like he's the one with the beard, right? That's like a physical attraction. He's the day, yeah, always big time. No, I thought it was very touching. I think it was very touching. I thought it was a very touching scene. Okay, so which part? The very ending in the church or the one before? Yeah, in the church. In the church, yes, that was a very touching scene. You had one job, it was to love me. The thing, yeah. That's what that was good. Yeah. I agree. The part in the tunnel, though, I was, I could

not get into. It seemed overly drawn out. The part with Judith, which could have been good, but that was so horrible because you could tell Judith was not playing the actress was not playing ball. And the crying that they moved in it. That was the first time that she never cried like that. That was a sound effect. Yeah, it wasn't her. It just did not sound. Yeah, I could tell that.

That's one thing I could tell. I could tell that I was editing. And then Carl's speech could have been good for he's all, you know, like mom said, you know, that I was going to survive. And then they cut to Judith and she's like gnawing on her hand. You know? That's why I was hoping she was getting ready to lick the wound. I was going to look her hand and put her hand on. What about Carl giving Judith the hat?

Yeah, that was good too. It was good. It was all part of the deaths. It was just, they literally could have had, you know, a doll there, and it would have been more believable than the performance that. I'll tell you who had the horrible performance. And maybe it's just because I'm, you know, not happy with her performances overall anyway.

but uh michone that was forced i i don't know if you there was one scene when rick was leaning over carl and michone was in the background but it was you know still a

a clear shot of her she was in the background but a clear shot and i mean it was so forced at least it felt like it to me i think anytime the two of those are the two those two characters together everything's still forced so yeah that's probably what it was Maybe I can agree with that one, but the relationship between Michone and Carl, I don't think that was forced. I did.

That's the one I was talking about. The whole point where I was trying to get into that. And then she goes or one of them said, you're my best friend. You too. I was like, where did they become best friends? Well, it goes back to that. That was back during the prison era. Yeah, when they went, remember, and they broke into the restaurant there and they pulled up the whatever it was.

That was a bonding moment. Yes. Going to Terminus or whatever. Yeah. They shared a couple of scenes together, but I didn't get the sense that they respected each other equally, and, you know, they had this amazing friendship. They held hands. It's not something they have, it's not something they built on every episode. No.

Not even every season. Oh, and this, and this episode of Talking Walking Dead is sponsored by Big Cat bars. Right. Which. Could we not have a Kit Cat bar in the Walking Dead? A Big Cat. I noticed that too. Why didn't they, if they just had a Kit Cat in there?

This isn't the first time Big Cat has shown in the Walking Dead. Oh, okay, thanks. Why don't they just have a Kit Kat? Why don't they? I don't know. When did they show Big Cat before? But when Michone, Rick, and Carl, a few seasons ago were walking across the tracks, and Carl was sharing his candy bar with Michone.

It was a Big Cat bar. Don't you remember? Didn't they sponsor one of the Walking Dead's, one of the events? Kit Kat. Yeah, and then I swear that they did. It's bizarre. Big Cat might be one. You know, it might be a KitKat brand.

I don't know. I just don't know why they didn't just. It just feels like, I felt like, come on, Kit Kat. Right. Yeah. And that might be walking dead. They might not want to. Yeah.

Which seems to be impossible because they want all the money they can get from everything possible. Television, yeah. Yeah. They want it all and they want it now. All right. So then we had, let's move to, let's move to the dream sequences. Well, at least we know who they were now.

Yeah. I thought it fascinating that it was Carl's, right? Yeah. It's funny too because that's what was driving some of the conspiracy theories about it. They were like, no, because Rick had that dream, so we know Carl's still alive. You got bit by a freaking whisperer. Yeah. Or Judith lick the wound.

Wrong. We need T-shirts to say that. I know. Judith lick the wound. Save Carl. Wow. Get Amber on that. That'll be a good one.

And then Negan. giving Lilith a big hug. Lilith. Oh, come morning to you, darling. Oh, stop it. I just, you could still just see him with the apple. Yeah. Wait, Lilith.

What did I say? You said Lilith. Judith. Yeah, same thing. Yeah, what's the difference? But you could still see her pick, him picking her up and like snap in her neck or something because he still looked evil.

He didn't look all. Then snap. Like a stepford husband. Yeah. or something. Yeah, that was just, it was creepy to me. Although, I bet you were happy to see Jerry. Oh, always happy.

It pleasing me indeed to see Terry. The armor that he's wearing, is that the kid's armor? No, that's Morgan's armor. That he's wearing? He's wearing this much of it. Morgan is wearing Benjamin's armor. So who is Jerry's wearing? His armor?

It looks like this, I mean, it barely covers anything. Well, I'm sure he went to the fat guy's store, but they don't have his size when he picked it up. Oh, you just triggered the guy in the middle here. Thank you. We apologize, it wasn't fitting. Did it not look smaller than usual?

Is it always like that tiny? The armor. Perhaps he's gained a few pounds. I don't know. Television's been very good to him. Yeah, absolutely. It's like the shatner. Jerry didn't rush by the husky section

to pick up the armor. At least he's still alive. And it was a dream sequence. so it really wasn't real. Wait, what? Thank you. It could have been real. Don't do that to me.

Don't do that. All right, so then my man Morgan, who I'm in love with. I love that Morgan. Also known as the Terminator. Yes. I love that. Emotional whiplash from that guy, though. I know.

Well, that's what I mean. Same crazy. Same crazy. This particular Morgan, I love. The guy that will, he must kill you. If you're even close to being a walker or against him, you must die. And you will die, and I will not die. The best death scene I ever saw before Morgan's scene last night was the one actually when,

it was actually in fear. When, who was it when Nick, like, put, what did he do? He, like, pushed his thumbs through a walker's, like, I sock. Yeah. There was something crazy like that. But now this tops it. Morgan, ripping of the guts out. That was really good.

That was good. That was good. I shot the heck out of me. I was like, what? I couldn't believe that. Remember my favorite one, I think, was Rick biting the guy's neck and cutting. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that was my favorite because Rick was close to being dead there, right? And so he had to, it was either that or die. And, you know, when he bit the guy's neck, it was tremendous. I think someone. I think that was my favorite other than, and we'll get to fear because now we've got Morgan, this is a perfect example of how they've given us Morgan for fear. Max was right. Morgan's just going to go away, right?

because that kid killed Gavin. Right. And that shocked Morgan back into his emotional whiplash mode. Of not being, no. He went from, no, I'm going to kill everybody to see him that kid kill Gavin. Yeah. And now he's going to go, what does the world become? I can't be this.

I've got to go. And he's just going to go away, right? And so then. If he goes off and finds another frigging guru. No, he won't find another guru. I swear. He's going to go away because his guru is fear. No, but the thing is that'll...

They're sending him to fear. That's what I mean. His guru is fear. That will have taken place before all the events that are now taking place on the Walking Dead. Maybe, right? I don't know. I don't think they can do that. I mean, that's what we don't know how they're going to work him into fear.

My idea was... He will save that show. My idea was Morgan, after this, he goes off somewhere. And then that gives, you know, Lenny James the free time. to do fear, which he's filming now. And then after he's done with that, he comes back to the main show, and then he tells everyone,

oh, I was staying in a barn or something. But that... Oh, so you think he'll leave the show, like for a season or two and come back? So you think? For fear, yeah. So you're saying... The timelines are on the same timeline.

No, well, no. No. See, that's where I think we're wrong. Okay. I think that he's going to be Morgan. Okay. He's walking dead. So he just goes away.

Max may be right. He does a special appearance once in a while, whatever. You know, we find, they shoot him in a cave somewhere, you know, whatever. Right. And so he could come back. Let's say fear does fail or goes away after a couple of scenes. He could reappear from the top of the mountains. But I think fear, I don't know that he will be our Morgan on fear.

You think it'll be a different character? Possible. He'll be him, though he was in season one. The bother figure. But still, but still Morgan. Yeah. You don't think he'll be Morgan. You think he'll be Lenny James as some other guy.

Yeah. That would be ridiculous. It can never cross over. It wouldn't be, yeah. The two series could never cross over. It wouldn't be a crossover then. Yeah. Don't look at me like that.

I'm just throwing ideas out there. The sound he just heard was Jimmy's head exploding. Did you have someone? Someone. I thought this was we were under the no judge. If I remember correctly, when you try out ideas, you might want to make sure some of them are good ones.

If I remember correctly, Greg Nicotero said, Morgan, this episode reminded him of Michael Myers type killer. I'm sorry, I'm still trying to get past the whole other character. He wants to beat up on me. I'm thinking that we may need an intervention.

It's still funny. Yeah, that's pretty funny. I was... It's bored away. This is a thought. That was great. Yeah, it was. No, what I'm saying is I think, if I remember correctly,

Greg Nicotero said Morgan, this episode reminded him of a Michael Myers type character. Morgan in this episode, okay. Well, he's just a killing machine, though. Yeah. Without the mask. I love that character. I love it. I mean, even Carol was, you know.

Carol was like, what? My favorite one of the scenes was great when Carol, when he said something to Morgan, and she was like, I wasn't worried about them. Yeah. I know. She always had that look like, dude, we got to talk. It's crazy. We got to have a talk.

I'm not worried about them. And then when he ripped the guy's guts out, Ezekiel, Carol, and Gavin while are looking at him like, don't mess with Morgan. That was tremendous. And Gavin, Ezekiel, the king, almost had Gavin talk turned around. I don't know. I don't know. I think Gavin was pretty hardcore.

He was going to. Well, in the end, I mean, he said that. He came back with that. with that's why it's always ends. Yeah, I just say, yeah, I think that he had made his decision and he's one of those guys. Yeah. He knew. He's neat.

And then he gets whacked by a 10-year-old. You know, tremendous. How did he sneak up on him? How does everybody sneak up on so many people in that show? That's what I want to know. Because all of a sudden, something from behind happens. How did you get through all those leaves and all that brush to sneak up behind him and no one hurt? He's a 10-year-old kid.

with a stick, a pointed stick. How did he get over there to begin with? Who let him go? Because remember the other woman was watching him? Yeah. Well, no, we saw, Morgan saw him run into the city. Yeah. He was across the way from where Morgan was at the wall.

He was over in the buildings running in the building. So he had followed. Oh, she did. He did mention that. We saw him. Yeah. Yeah. One great line.

The girl said was, you against all them, they don't stand a chance. Oh yeah, I know for Carol. Yeah, absolutely. And where was the Naked Walker? Well, we got a Naked Walker this season. Oh, I thought it was just... Oh, I thought it was...

I completely forgot about that. I thought it was supposed to be this episode. I kind of did too, but then I happened to think maybe that's not what they meant. So we have to go back and kind of double check on the Naked Walker. I wanted the Naked Walker. I was watching the show that airs after... Here you go.

I don't want that that... Put him back on. Put him back on. I was watching the show that airs after Walking Dead. Thank you. And one thing Greg Nicotero said was when they talked about the whole naked walker thing. He said, there will be a naked walker, but you can't tell if it's a male or female. I was going to say, how would you know?

No, he says, because there will be bite marks in particular places. Yeah. Well. Yeah. Again, if that's like the standards and practices of AMC, you can't see, let's say, boobs because of the improper. But we can, it's okay to walk, to watch dead people walk around. I mean, yeah, it's like, walkers. Yeah.

They technically can show whatever they want, can't they? Yeah, that's why they're cable, right? Yeah. So, yeah, why would they be concerned about whether or not it's? I think they're just making a big deal out of it because it hadn't been done. I see. Sorry, I'm bringing to you a lot of it. They're going to see it naked.

Walker. He said the Gary, yeah, okay, the Nicotara said it'll be, it'll happen. That's what Max just said. I was just said he watched it on the show that comes on after Walking Dead. Hey, he's, he's your offspring. I'm just double-checking the boat. After the whole Morgan could be a different character, I don't trust either one of you. First of all, now you're pissing off.

That's the whole Morgan. Right. You and I are about to fight. Boxing match between, boxing match between, Brad Stacks and Jeffrey Fisher I only my wrestle You're gonna be laughing on that again The time we needed cameras in here

Was that point right there It's gonna get real confusing When they hook up with Rick and the gangs On the other end of the country And say, look you Morgan? No, no, I'm Bob They've done it all the time Television what are you talking about?

You're right I just somehow don't see that working out well for these guys It's not like it hasn't happened I swear you're right I'm going to turn the mics off we're going to fight Let's at least get it on somebody's phone So we can YouTube it

Okay So I got one All in all it wasn't that bad of a No It wasn't that bad of an episode I kind of You know I'm really Really really still

Just overwhelmingly surprised That they killed Carl Yeah same And that's what I was talking with Max Earlier today about was What was their plan? were they trying to accomplish with killing off Carl? Where they say, were they heading off the, you know, teenagers know everything thing that

they didn't want him to butt heads with Rick? Were they just doing it to get rid of the actor? Were they doing it to, I mean, what was the reasoning behind killing off Carl? Because he's so much, I mean, he's such a big deal in the comics, right? Yeah. I wonder if it was a family decision. Did he secretly want out? Channel Riggs wanted out and his family wanted out.

But I wonder if they did a deal with like the show creators. said hey, they'd take the heat. Yeah, or maybe even the show creators said, hey, don't worry about it. Put it all on us. Yeah, because people would, I mean, I think that the, the show fans would hate the actor if the actor wound out. Absolutely. So they can pin it on the producers.

Yep. That may be it. I don't know. That makes sense to me. Oh, we finally see him get bit. That's true. Yeah, we did see him get bit. So much flashback.

I wonder if they had that in the, I wonder if they had that shot in the can the whole time, too. Because if you go back and watch that, you see him look down at one point when the Walker when we first saw that scene but I bet they did there were so much that looked like it was just pre-planned you know like well of course it was pre-planned but hmm right and then we see a lot of prep work that went into that and then after that we see him clean up the wound to get on a new shirt and then start playing around with Judith and writing down the notes oh you're taking Kodak snapshots yeah it's called Polaroid yeah and where did they get the film

polarites well I mean with all their scavenging around Right. Oh, yeah. That's true. Right. It would only be four-year-old film by now. It would be longer than that, right? So how many years are they into the apocalypse? Did you still buy that film? I think at that point in time, all of the factories are shut down.

No, I understand. Oh, now you mean. I swear to God, you and I are going. Actually, Polaroids are coming back. I don't want to sound like my man, Francis, but you just made the list. To do moon. now it's your question now there's what nine it's eight seasons I've always assumed it went about year by year I don't know yeah I don't think we're I think

that's wrong though right I thought that how many years are we into the apocalypse that I don't know wait a minute what the same heck do we have mine like to trap he knows everything I'm guessing I'm guessing my guess would be five years that's my guess I could be wrong since the end no since the beginning of the show I think we might be five years into the Apocalypse. Right. Well, you need to be out of that.

You need to find. There's homework next week. Yeah. Because that's something we expect from you to know. Right. You are the... You're the man with that. Color statistician.

Right? I mean, that's why you read the... You know, this would be the third zombie kill for Rick this season. You know, last year we were a little afraid we're going to lose him in that last... I was wondering if we were going to see the scavengers this episode. I know. And that's one of the things, right? didn't see nigan well my girl man my girl hasn't been seen a long time I know well we did see

megan but yeah right in the dream see well yeah and Polly McIntosh's name was in the credits too but I also think that uh if you see the the previews for next week I think we're gonna find out that we're right if our girl is the traitor Enid oh oh so what they yeah because didn't she say that you they showed there was a scene like her saying you can't win or you're going to lose this. It was something where it was leading into or around where she was, she's going to fight for Negan win the crowd.

I just felt that way. Well, maybe it was just me hoping. It was just me for hoping that, you know, we're right. I'll retweet her little, we are. We are. She had a sweet little divide to Chandler too, by the way. So I don't know how. Yeah, I saw their little cute things.

Andrew Lincoln's was the best. singing his little song and I love you and he's in London no London things pissing me off Oh God I heard you know I like their little fun commercials with Jesus and what's her face but he's you know he's got to talk

in his English accent I know Those of you In the UK listening to this I just joking I don't think you were But no we're not But actually no we're not

And stay off of Star Wars I don't want to hear an interview Star Wars, hello, governor. Shut up. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, my God, no kidding. Do not start the second revolutionary war.

We did it once. We'll take you out twice. All right. Final thoughts? Anything? Well, we still have some goodbyes. So I got a question for Max. So did all of the people,

this goes into the next few episodes, has there ever been a time in the comics when everyone left Alexandria and all met up at Hilltop? The kingdom, Alexandria, and everybody coalesced under Hilltop. No, I don't think so. So I was curious because

There was a point where Maggie in the comics took over as Gregory, which he already has, and she gathered everyone in Hilltop and brought them to fight, but that's already happened. So I'm assuming they're advancing the timeline

rapidly. I think they're going to advance it pretty rapidly, and I bet you we don't see, I bet you this is over by the end of the season, don't you think? The war? Yeah. I'm wondering if Negan's going to Yeah, I think in TV, Negan might die. I think so because I think he's ready to go on to another project. Well, I think so, too.

And you know what else I think? I think that they're tired of if they stretch it out, they've made him such an evil guy to the fans, all right? And my gosh, they took Carl away this year. So the only saving grace, right, is in the next season and a half, maybe, tops, is when they build up kill. and Negan right so you've killed a bad guy and you've killed the guy that we love to hate and you've gotten rid of him otherwise if they stretch it out i mean in the comic books he's still alive he's still

dancing around he's still alive in the comics he after the whole whisperer thing he's just walked off and now he's living on his own in a abandoned house near or something in a field that sounds like a great life i think you're right though i don't think they can afford him no so he's got to die yeah and it would not be fitting enough. There would be no closure if he just walks off. Right. Or just disappears. No, Negan never disappears in the comics. So, and he's a pretty big part of the

Whisperer storyline as well. He is. Well, they've already changed all of that, though. I don't know if they're doing the Whispers though. That's another question I have. I mean, but they've already changed the thought of us believing that they're going to follow the comic books, right? We've already broken

away from that plan. Yeah. That's, and that's what they want. Yeah, I could go, and that may have been the reason for Carl's death. Right. That's what they wanted. Anywhere. Right. So, and that takes us back to, now that they've made the hardcore fans, which we obviously are upset that they've killed Carl,

they've got to, something has got to happen to bring us together and be happy about our group again. Right? Because Morgan's going to disappear. We've shipped him off to fear. He's somebody that we love, and he's just going to disappear. We haven't had that good team spirit. No, we have not. We got the winning team this year.

Be happy. We're together. We're now we're at the hilltop or we're in the cave or we're in some place where it's okay. And we're planting seeds to watch the corn grow again. We haven't had that in a while. Negan in the comics is almost killed, but he survives and Rick just locks him up in the cage and Dwight takes over. Right. But I'm just saying on TV, the TV show.

All that can happen and Negan dies, and the fans will love that. Well, and that's what remember Darrell said. We all need to be together, all of us in one place, and then what did he say? We'll be a force to be reckoned with him. No, he said all of us together in one place will be their worst nightmare. There you. That's where they coales.

And that's what's going to happen to you if you start with me. I'm going to go pour the mud bath right now if you want to wrestle. This is Talking Walking Dead. Thanks. See you next week.