Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 8 Finale ‘WRATH’ - 4/16/18

Episode Date: April 17, 2018

Season 8 Finale ‘WRATH’ & FWD Season 4 Premiere - 4/16/18 JEFF FISHER HERE JOINING ME AS PER USUAL ON THIS WEEKS EPISODE BRAD STAGGS JASON BUTTRILL AND MAXIMUS FISHER   THAT MAKES THIS ‘TALKING WALKING DEAD’ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hey, it is. Oh, yes. Yes, it was a bigger deal than anticipated. But here we go. We hadn't fed the hamsters. Season 8, finale episode 16 of the Walking Dead titled Rath. They told us the war would end, did it? We also got the season premiere of Fear the Walking Dead last night as well,

season four, episode one titled What's Your Story? As they jump the timeline in fear. Jeff Fisher here joining me as usual, Brad Staggs, Jason Butchrell, and Maximus Fisher, and that makes this Talking Walking Dead. Welcome, welcome to it to Talking Walking Dead. All right. How long before we hear that song again? That's kind of depressing, right? I know.

Although I do kind of like the fear intro. I know. Well, we'll see if that's actually the intro because the last three seasons they've used different music the entire time. So they never had an actual theme. And it's not really a music. No, it's more just a... That's what they said for... Right?

At least Law & Order has a... Right. They need something. Even if it's just a... Yeah. All right, so we went to the theater last night. First, and welcome, for those of you watching on Facebook Live, for those of you are on Instagram Live, it's locked up so you're not getting it.

I'm checking out of it. I'm checking out of it. That's the way it goes. Just watch on Facebook Live. And the total audio podcast will be available. later this evening as well. Sometime in May. And if you want to call it 888-903-33-93, why would it be sometime in May?

That's what Jason said. Oh, you were trying to be funny. You know, it's funny because I don't even really have to try. So this is the cardboard cutout that. Glad I thought of that. It was so funny because I've asked for these before in my life and have always been told no. Mr. Staggs asked last night, they gave it to it. You know, we have a staff.

He thought I was cute. It was fantastic. And then I asked him for the concession stand. He got pissed. You have to know when to stop. He doesn't know Jeffie's dry humor. He told me to get it. So all of us were already cracking up.

He was looking at him like, dude, what are he talking about? What do you mean? It's connected for crying out loud. We can't get rid of it. So we have a staff. We have a lamp and we have Lucille. Hey, wait. My God, man.

I'm going to stand up and I'll let you have the joke. All right. I didn't realize. Morgan was that short. Right? I thought he was tall. British and short. Good God.

I know. British and short. All right. So, where's Lucille out? Right there. Oh, over here in the shadow. Oh, okay. With the lamp.

Right. Here's Lucille. Okay. Really cleaned out your prop cage. Yeah, look at the Negan light. I had my staff at home and I didn't bring it. This is Lucille. Ooh, got a little nick on it.

The kids must have been fighting. Right. They break it out here so after. from the wife. No, it might be. It's real, Jason. Wanna feel? Ow!

Stuff will cut you. All right, so. Yes. Quick thoughts. Right. Well, what I think we saw last night was actually the Walking Dead finale part one and the Walking Dead finale part two. Right.

Because it was just an extended episode of the Walking Dead with a surprise guest appearance by a couple of the Fear of the Walking Dead stars at the end. Which, can they keep up this quality as well? I don't know. My initial reactions, first of all, that was kind of dope. Getting the whole podcast there to watch the show. Yes, that was fun. Yeah, that was fun.

That was a good time. We had a, it wasn't a huge crowd, but it was, what was a half? Was it half full? It wasn't less than half full. It was distinguished. Okay. And we had good seats. We had good seats.

And every, it was cool. Everyone was like cheering. Everyone was gasp. It was a good time. So if you ever get a chance to do that, I recommend going to do another Fathom event for a... I would too. I would... But, uh, doc Thompson is, uh, is really messing me up right now.

You have to learn how to ignore him. Yeah. But, uh, but, uh, really easy. But I was like, I was very into, I would say the first... I was very into the finale up until the final five minutes or so. And then I was like, where are we going with this? I guess I'll just leave it at that until we get it. I have an Easter egg or a reference later to talk about.

We'll get to it. Calm down. I was just saying. I mean, we're driving here and all he wants to do is talk about this stupid show. Right? So I don't want to waste it. Save it for the air. And he's had a couple of realizations as we're driving here.

And I'm like, save it for the show. So now he's all excited he wants to tell him to save it for the show. Well, here we are. It's the show. I know. But we're not there yet. Right. So save it.

We're not there yet. So save it. What is your stupid thing? Oh, man. Youth is wasted on the young. At first, when you were asking how we thought about the shows, I thought they were pretty good. I did like the Fear finale premiere, but then again, it was my first episode of Fear Ever. Right.

He has nothing to compare it to. And if you have nothing to compare it to, it was good. Yeah. It was really good. I enjoyed the new character, the new cowboy character. John Dory. I enjoyed the new. the new SWAT driver character.

She was great. Al, who is a journalist? And we saw that we saw the end. They're out scavenging. Right. You know, at the end for fear. But before we get to fear, and let's stay on Walking Dead here for the season finale

because I was, I think, well, Jason, you're all right with it? I mean, you're all right with it until the end? The last 10 minutes, right? You've last five or 10 minutes. Yeah. I was so enjoying the rest of it. It was enjoyable to watch it in the theater with the crowd.

While the theater wasn't sold out that we were in that wasn't sold out, it was enjoyable to watch it with the crowd. Yes, it was. Yeah. People were cool about that. First, I thought, are they going to get all whiny if we start going, hey, hey. Yeah, nobody was fun. The clapping. Everybody was into it.

After we knocked that first dude out. We could have actually, we could have actually been worse. Oh, yes. And I think I remained, you know, tempered because it could have been a lot worse. And I thought, oh, no, for you, you were subdued. That's what I'm saying. I was actually stunned. The crowd at the theater, you're welcome.

Yeah. You did say LGBTQ at one point, and I was like, oh, crap. I might have to get right to swing these if someone steps up to Jimmy. The LGBTQ island when the girls showed up with the Molotov cocktails. Which was a pretty cool scene. Yes, it was, except, I mean, they didn't even look like it was a big enough crowd for them to worry about. Yeah. I mean, they looked like here they come.

one more step, you know, and there was like maybe 10 guys coming around the corner hilltop. If that. And then the LGBTQ crowd shows up only to let us know. With Aaron. Only to let us know that they, you know, Aaron talked them into it and they want to fight. We don't have any weapons, so we brought little bottles with fire in it. Okay, thanks. What happened to their guns?

Rick took them, remember? I didn't think they took them all, though. Yeah, they did either. I thought they left them a bunch. No. No, they took all. They took the entire armory. Don't you remember?

That's kind of jacked. Apparently I don't. Because I thought they left them. My gosh, Brad, why don't you watch the episode? I should. I should go back and watch it. I thought they left enough for them to defend themselves. Yeah.

I guess they didn't. I thought, too. I didn't. So you're apparently as stupid as I am, yeah, right? Didn't you tell me I was stupid before I get you? So we did. Oh. Check your text.

So in the beginning, we're ready for battle, you know, ready for battle with, you know, Rick and Negan and both of them are trying. You know, Rick is, you know, making every. Everybody requestioning, you know, we're getting ready for battle, and we've got people at Hilltop, and he's ready for the battle, and then Negan is getting ready for his people, and he's sending his detour people out to get killed. Right, yeah.

So it's great, which is kind of, you know, shows his character a little. He's willing, he didn't want to do it. Right. Right. Well, he did say those were some of Simon's men. Yes. So, you know, he's going to teach him a lesson, right? And that's fair.

I get it. And then one of the things that, caught me is that's when Morgan was still losing his brain a little bit where he attacked the kid. Henry. You know what it is. Well, even Morgan gave Rick a hard time about lying to the guys

back at the bar. Yeah. Right? I mean, he was like... Oh, no, wait a second. You're the one who defended his lying. I know that. And I still kind of do. Except that now they're trying to make it seem like Rick's all goody-goody. Well, no. You don't get to both sides of the

I actually like that scene. Why wouldn't you get to eat both sides to the cake? I'm talking like, Morgan saying we're worse than we were. That was a good scene. It was a callback to like first season really. That was classic Walking Dead. You know what I mean? Yeah.

You very easy. That's probably why they did that, I'm assuming, since this is his last episode. They gave them one more scene of classic, you know, season one callback. And then of course, we had Jerry and the king. Gosh, that got delivers every episode. Did anybody see the irony in the fact that Rick and Negan fight? And after all of this time and Rick and Negan have been right at each other's throats, that he ends up getting him with a shot of glass?

Wow. He's had guns aimed at him. He's had, you know, vehicles aimed at it. Did you just skip all the way through the outline? Yes, he did. Rewind. I am just saying. We'll talk about that later.

Yes, he did. Spoiler alert. If we're already there. No, we're rewining. You guys are. Jumping around like a bunch of kangaroos, I can jump to. We weren't jumping around. We weren't. I'm starting to follow the script a little.

What script? No one gave me a script. Oh, you mean the one you didn't hand out? You mean the one that doesn't print from this computer, but you were sent an email, all of you today. I just heard like four or five excuses from both of you. That was awesome. Good back and forth.

Hey, well. Oh, wow. It's never my fault. It's never my fault. Hi, welcome to the program. Oh, that's you. Sorry Okay, this is where

Jason, you speak It's your turn I mean, okay So then we have the battle You know, we have the detour And Rick and We get to see Rick and Michone Walk off hand in hand

Ready for battle Which was only Which was one of the old We both caught at a both who did an annoyed glance In the theater That's all that Which was the only Roshone scene

Which was the only Only Roshone scene, kind of. Michon. No, I said Rishone. Oh, yeah, Rick and Mishon. No, it wasn't because at the end they have a scene, too, with Nigen. Benefer. That wasn't really Rishone.

That was just them setting the line with Negan. Hey, you're jumping ahead. You're not following the outline. But it was Rick and Mishone, and it was Rishone. Mr. We're going to put them together. It was because they were there with Nigan setting it right. True. Being a couple.

Why, you folded like a cheap suit. Damn right. What's wrong with you, people? Back to what we were back to before that. Hey, what's the detour there on the outline? What are you talking about detour? Well, that's where they came in to the Negan people, the Simon people where they were going to die,

where Simon left them there to die. I mean, where Negan left his people there to die, to fool Rick. Yeah, yeah, decoy. Yeah, I put detour. But, you know, that's what it was for, it was set up for that. Is Gabriel's jumping out of the car? Is that a part of that as well?

Right after that, yeah, in that same time period, because that's what Negan is riding with Eugene and Gabriel, yeah. I got to tell you. That's when we find out he sent those guys to die from Simon. Dude, watching Eugene deliver that, I wanted to, like, jump through the screen and strangle, choke that dude out. Well, when he was pointing, this entire season, I've wanted to do that.

When he was pointing the gun at Gabriel? That right there, yeah. Oh, my gosh. That whole chase scene. And then when Egan rammed Lucille into Gabriel's gut? Gabi. I knew he was getting off right there. I just knew it.

I was so surprised. I know. I was expecting a Lucille. I was expecting him to get his head bashed in. And that would have been great. I would have been fine with that, really, because as we're going, up to this point, no one has died. Except for the people at the detour, right? At the blockade on the road.

That's it. Right. And those people we don't care about. Negan didn't even care about him. We don't care about him for sure. Exactly. No one died that we cared about, right? Exactly.

If you want to jump ahead. How weird. It was my turn. I'm trying to follow the staking outline. Did you know what I said up until now? When I said up until now, we haven't lost it. Then he just jumps right ahead again. I think you started this when we started talking about fear from the get-go.

Do we move over Jerry and the King or are we still back at Hilltop? No, we can move back to Jerry. Okay. Jerry and the King. Because I want to go back to. to Jason's love for man, that guy delivers every episode. Dude, he does. Every episode.

He does. I agree with you. Jerry's amazing. And him sharpening his axe. Who would have thought this dude? Hold on. We're going to go ahead. Go ahead walking from the camera.

Actually, I kind of want to see this one happen. Come on. Oh, man. It looks to kill. If you're going to leave, walking front of the camera, do it now. Go. Because we're waiting. This is going to be in the audio, so not a lot of people will know what's going on.

It doesn't matter. This is theater of the mind, baby. Come on, do a Bruce Lee jump over that camera. I want to see it. Back to what we were talking about. And yes, Jerry delivers. I've had enough of the king. Oh, come on.

He's great comic relief. He's not the king anymore, right? He's still their leader, but he's not the king. What was the line again? You and me were both making fun of the theater. I don't remember. It was after the Jerry. They're over there, they're yonder.

You know, something stupid. Here yonder. He was still in his Shakespeare. Shut up. Just say they're over there. But I love the... Here yonder is not used anymore. I love the king.

I love the king. That's just me. I do. It is. He's great comic relief. As we gaze across the Grand Thunder, there they are. It was just so sad. Dine eyes have seen them over there yonder.

So, all right, so if the king is the king. The king is always going to be the king. Jerry's always, Eugene. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. So was Eugene planning this the whole time? But I don't think so, right? He said that he didn't even get the idea until Gabriel screwed up.

Yeah, but. Because he said with the, with the Gabby. So which side is he on? Well, it seems pretty obvious that he's always been for some way of fixing it. That's what it's, that's the impression I got. that he's always been trying to fix it somehow. And he just hadn't been able to figure out how to do it until that point. That makes sense.

That's the way. If it's not that, then I'm back to hating Eugene. Right. And then, of course, Rosita punched him in the face. She got him good. For the puke. Yeah, well, good. I mean, that's fine.

I would have. Okay. So prior to the battle where we find out that Eugene rigged the ammunition, and his little act with Nigan and the boom boom and the cha-cha the whole okay boom boom stop it he's all he's just the whole Eugene speak okay whatever so I'm I guess I'm a total hypocrite because I hate King speak but I don't mind Eugene speak yeah Eugene speak is funny I don't know I don't know it just drives me crazy and he's yeah I mean he just wants to live right his whole point is to that was the whole

of him is to live so whatever he has to do to live he'll do. His best chance to live here was to adjust the ammunition, right? So Rick wins. John's asking, John is totally jumping the outline here. He's asking a question on Facebook live. I mean, John, you're jumping the outline, but the question is, is Maggie becoming a governess? I know. And Chris asked me that in my ear a moment ago.

I was going to get to it. Yeah. Why are you jumping ahead in your little? Because John sent me 20 bucks. Oh, okay. And 20 bucks is 20 bucks. Let's make you $20, though. Yeah.

She absolutely is. And that's kind of an agony as the Isaac scene, too. Why in the world? So I guess we're jumping. We are. We're jumping. I don't care. You have to jump.

Why in the world? Brad, that's the question. So after it's all said and done, they're pissed. Maggie's pissed that Rick didn't kill Negan. Right? Yeah. Because they had the fight. Understandable.

For her. Yeah. For her. Been somewhat, Daryl. How is Daryl? Daryl just let Dwight go. Yeah. How can he be pissed with Maggie?

Yeah. He's been listening to Tara. Yeah, I mean, with Rick. How can he be pissed at Rick because of Maggie? No. And then Jesus has been the let's let them all live forever. Yeah. He's sitting in the same room.

Yeah, the way they showed Jesus. He was like, he was given that like evil. That's right. Girl, preach on. They're all in the dark office of the cabal against Rick. That entire scene made no sense. No. None.

So who asked this question? John? Is that who's that? John. So Maggie's becoming the governance, but I don't understand the cabal. Yeah, I don't either. That makes no sense. And I read an after interview with the director.

And he said that, actually, no, who's the main guy ahead? Scott and Gimple? Yeah, Gimble or Gimble? No, Gimble. He was saying that. That, that, that, what you'll call it? Yeah, that, that, that was indeed what was happening. He was, gosh, I'm forgetting all their names now.

That Daryl and Maggie were legitimately pissed off. I told you not to drink before this. I know. And they're setting up that kind of conflict, that kind of insurgency for next season. So I was like, there's got to be something I'm missing here, but he's straight up confirmed it. Yeah, that's what's going on. Okay, well, yeah. No, I get that.

They've got to create some kind of conflict. But that conflict, it would seem to me, would be better suited for Maggie if she's going to go up against Rick, right, is to bring in her new lover boy, the handyman that's going to start building things. Al. His name's Al. Or Alden. From the Saviors. White Jacket. That's all, you know, I can build things. I've been looking at it. I can build things. If you can build things, you'll never be without a job.

Go ahead. Well, thank you. That's true. Okay, I believe you. Just want you to know that. I mean, I was doing it. Okay, Mr. Handyman. I got it.

Just because you can build things, doesn't mean you want to. But if you can, you'll always have a job. Just remember that. So why wouldn't Maggie, like, bring him in? Handy Manny. This Handy Manny, the Savior. Yeah. That guy.

Yeah. Bring him in and say, look, you know, we're going to start this, and now we need to go up against Rick because I'm pissed. He didn't kill Negan, who killed my husband. And I'm still, it's only been, it's been less than nine months, because I haven't had this kid yet. So why plot this overthrow of Rick? Why not?

She didn't? I don't think that her, from what I caught from the conversation, I don't think she's going to overthrow Rick in that sense. I think the only thing she wants is to kill Negan. Let's all remember that Maggie is pregnant and hormonal. We've all been around pregnant women. Is she? And she's a woman.

Is she? And she, oh, she's well, I think. but if she's hormonal, you just get the hell out of her way. But you bring her a good point besides Maggie, though, Daryl. That scene right before that was like he was giving in to Rick's

like way. Like, yeah, let's let him live. Well, they hear the battle. Maggie did say she was she thought Rick was right with saving the saviors, just not Negan. Well, yeah, yeah, no, I know. By the way, everybody agrees the mutiny doesn't make sense. Right. I mean, I don't understand why

why Darrell and Jesus especially. Those two guys, I've been for, well, Darrell has not been, but he just let Dwight go. And so he was kind of leaning toward Rick, right? But Jesus has always been, let him live. And now he's going to be with Maggie against Negan. I mean, maybe he's just got the, you know, the Maggie hate for Negan.

I mean, they all want to see Negan die. You could even argue that his punishment's almost worse than just getting off really quick. Well, and that's somebody else that, Mold Burns commented here, in what way is a throat cut, not death in that world? Well, you can't actually survive from a throat cut. It just depends how deep the cut is.

When did you go to med school? I did, but I do know. I'm in Boy Scout. I do have. That's right. I forgot. Almost an eagle. Right.

It's okay. I'll save him. I do have some medical training. So, right, because he didn't. Cover that throat cut up. You'll live. Which means, which means from the. Rump some dirt on that thing.

Pee on it. It just means when you, when Rick swung that shard of glass, he had to be so precise. Right. Not too deep. Not too far left. Right. Just right there. And he did it like that.

And he got. And once again, once again, Rick is stop sneaking who had the advantage of killing him. Stop sneaking. And I love, you know, look, I'm a Rick, Ravis fan. I'm okay. I wish he would have, he could have bitten. Negan's throat out again. I would have been fine with it.

I would have been okay with him taking a shard of glass and cutting his brains out and throwing them all over the mountainside. It's fine. But he doesn't, right? So, Negan's got the upper hand, and Rick is down, and he brings up Carl. And

so Negan gives him the 10, and once again, Carl starts winning him over, right? Because Negan loves Carl. Always has. Carl was the future for Negan. And just as soon as Rick is saying we can all live It's a new world

And he's got Negan almost convinced Oh, instead I'm gonna cut your throat with a piece of glass Once I'm just like the guys at the bar It's just like the guys at the bar You can come and live with us You know what isn't that no because I'm gonna kill you And then exactly that's exactly what happens in the comics too They're talking and then Negan starts to agree with Rick

And then Rick slices his throat Right and it was amazing to have those two beautiful Stained glasses hanging from a tree in the middle of that mountains. It just happened to break. It was a shard of glass there. Right. What was Maggie's response in the comics, Max? She was upset, but we didn't get to see her response until later because is right the way the call that that the way all out war ended in the comics.

We just see Negan get his throat slit slit. Rick. Then Rick bring, then they, then he says save them. I can't talk right now. Sorry. That's good because we're on the air. Yeah. Just don't worry about it. No pressure. Rick says save him. They grab a stretcher.

They bring him into Alexandria and then that's where the comic ends. Next comic's a time skip. So we don't really see her immediate reaction. I just know that she's mad. Yeah. Amy says, Darrell showed mercy to Dwight, but willing to overthrow Rick.

I know. I know. I don't think they're going to overthrow him. That's just me. I think they just want to kill Negan. Right. And I'm willing to maybe go that far, maybe. But not Jesus.

Jesus wants everybody to lose. And Sylvia, obvious, there's something wrong with Sylvia because she says Maximus is doing such a great job. Sylvia, don't. Sorry about my voice. Whenever my mind goes a million miles on an hour, I stutter. Thanks for watching, Aunt Sylvia. Yeah.

All right. So we have the war, and now we're supposed to believe, and I know I'm ripping it apart, and I don't, I just wanted, I wanted, For some reason, I feel like I didn't get what I wanted from this finale. Well, you know what they say. Oh, and Enid. You can't always get what you want.

I know. We saw her once bringing a... They shoved her in the woods with the crying baby, right? Here, take this locator. That's what you do with a traitor. Take this homing beacon. You get in New Jersey. Give it to Edith.

I don't think... I don't think she's a traitor now. I was on the fence, but now that the war's over, I honestly am, I don't think she is. Yeah, and you can think that. You know, we'll find out next season. That she is. Okay. Except that all this.

I got a question. Maybe you guys understood this. I didn't. So did they, did Rick and the gang realize or walking into an ambush or did they not? He said, which the end, because he knew, didn't he said it's a setup. Yeah. When they were leaving the decoy. But then they walk, yeah, I thought he was going to avoid walking into the trap because he knew it was a setup.

Yeah, because it's remember. But then they ended up walking into the trap anyway. Right. So like Negan was like narrating it, you know, saying they're going to find something that shows. And then the very next scene is the king, look there yonder. A carrier pigeon has dropped thy message. Shut up. Okay, what about?

But still, I hang on to say it. But still. So then the king hands on the message off. But something happened. Maybe I just missed it. but then, like, two seconds later, literally Rick was saying... They're walking along the hill there. Oh, so this is a setup.

I was like, wait. Remember Negan said one of them was carrying the map. No. Yeah, yeah. And that's the carrier pigeon that the king found. Right. So then how did Rick go from there to claiming there was a setup? Maybe he didn't believe.

Leading us to believe they weren't going to walk into an ambush, but they walked into it anyway. You know, that's a great question, Jason. And Heather, I want you know about Jason. Adidas or Anne. Jayness was actually... We don't have any idea why he walked into a... No, we don't, but we do know that he was walking along the beautiful countries. It really was.

And then the savior magically multiplied by 10 again. And then they... Right. As they were walking by, they see this giant herd. Yeah, the giant herd in the valley was great. Which I have something about that herd. When they said, I've never seen a horde that big. I was like, that sounds familiar.

And then when they're walking off, you see fence posts or pikes. And I was just like, because the whispers, the way they mark their borders, is with pikes in a row. And then later during the battle, you see pikes on the field. So the whispers are coming next season. That's what that hard is. So again, on that interview that I just listened to, like everyone was asking them about that scene. And they were asking, is this a, you know, a hint to next season. And he said that he didn't have any intention of doing that.

He said that that was just a... Or Gimple? Gimple. Gimple's not on their show anymore now. Yeah, he goes to... He's on both, I think. Nope. He's only on fear now.

He could have been deflecting, but he said that that way, he goes, the main purpose of that... Well... There's a new showrunner on Walking Dead. He was saying that the main purpose of that scene was to have Rick say, look, we've all got a common enemy, basically. But he totally could have been deflecting. They're dead. We're alive. That was my best Rick and person.

That was good. Cor! You just needed a... Oh, we forgot to hear Horatio. We forgot to talk about seeing Rick wearing the policeman uniform again with little Carl in the beginning and then. Yeah, you know, okay, the Andy Griffith show opened. I got it. It was.

It was very cute. Fun fact, that was the very last scene shot from the entire season right there, that scene. It makes sense because he didn't, because he was a fully clean shave and a beard. Okay, but then he was on that show that. follows the others last night with a beard again. Are you serious? So he just likes that look, I guess? Apparently.

And Jeffrey Dean Morgan had a fuller beard. Yeah, he did. Oh, yeah, he's been growing out as Santa Claus beard again. Well, yeah, because Jeffrey takes some time where Rick doesn't need that much time to grow that Santa Claus beard. Oh, so what's the lady that said? What about Jadis? Oh, how Jadis will fit in with the, with the Heather Astah, how she, how do you mean? Do you mean Ann?

Do you mean Ann? Ann now, yeah. We'll fit in with the rest of the year crew. How do we, how in God's name, do we go to the, I'll give you that Morgan didn't know about the helicopter because Morgan wasn't there. But how do we go to the trash dump and leave Anne? Mm-hmm.

You know, hey, Rick wants to say it's okay. You can come live with them now and be a part of the new world. And don't, I mean, how does she, I mean, the helicopter doesn't. exists. That was the whole... Let's break that down. We know that she was waiting for the helicopter. She was trying to signal it.

So all of a sudden now she was not worried that this other guy, Morgan, as she leaves, is going to stumble upon this, you know what I'm saying? The helicopter's going to come back, see Morgan, or... Or did she communicate with the helicopter and say, It's possible? I'm going to be in Alexandria. Pick me up there. Possible.

And she didn't know she was going to be in Alexandria. She was sitting at the trash dump. Overlook that. So she's going to be in Alexandria. She's going to Alexandria, we think. So if she might be, and to go to this question, she might help in being the force multiplier as far as technology is concerned when the hilltop and all that starts developing a lot more rapidly than Alexandria.

She's obviously shady and connected to whatever this group is. Maybe she can help even stakes out. But are they really going back to Alexandria? Because if this herd is out there. I was just trying to think. We've got who's going to be in charge now, right? Because Dwight's gone. Does Dwight come back with the wife and take over?

Because we've got the Savior's just all of a sudden it was like one, one, they all shot at the same time. Hurt their little hands. And some died. Some died. And then. Yeah. Guys, we're done. We're not going to fight anymore.

Except when there was, when they were all the lineup, when they backfired some of the bullets hit them in the head or the chest, which killed them. Yeah. That was a dope scene. That was. But being a weapons expert, Jason, explain exactly how that primer would cause the bullet to fire backwards. Yeah. Just the casing would come back.

Well, it just blew up the guns, right? It didn't necessarily. In theory, but that wouldn't, I mean, unless you got popped in the eyeball with the casing, I mean, that's going to give you a nasty burn and it's going to hurt like hell on your hand, but it's not going to kill you. Yeah, no. Well, some of them didn't die, right? Yeah, some of them didn't die.

We just shot them because Rick said, now and then they who they didn't kill surrendered okay oh I'm got a bad hurt on his hand I give up I know I know we've been fighting I've been out in the wild surviving waiting to get back to Negan to tell him that

Dwight was the bad guy but with this one little oh I burnt my hand I got me it was kind of odd it was it was it took me completely I didn't even realize what was happening when it happened I was like I was yeah I wasn't I thought someone was shooting them

I remember what that I remember what that happened the entire theater cheered. I remember when that happened, the entire theater cheered. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because then they want to,

you want to say yay to Eugene, which, no, sorry. No, but that's Brad, I totally feel you. That's exactly what.

I thought somebody, I thought they had a, I thought it was an ambush to the ambush. You know, like, dang. Whoa, it's a triple devil double double.

Which would have made sense if that was actually the LGBT people. Right. They found their new way of weapons and came to help save them, right? Instead of throwing a couple of wine bottles with fire,

in it. Right. And blowing him up at the hilltop. Wasting perfectly good wine. Thank you. If there was another lineup, I was going to be so pissed off. I was not down for seeing Rick on his knees again. I was like, no, I can't handle that. Thank you. There were a couple of emotional scenes in there got me. Which ones? The ones where I was crying next to you. I'm trying to hold your hand. I mean, surely you knew. I wasn't just trying to hold your hand. It was because I was I guess the one. You know, Max was sitting next to you too. He's a minor. He said he wasn't looking. Okay. The one emotional scene that kind of got me was the one where when Rick said save him

and then Maggie's reaction to pretty much with Michone hold pretty much. That was really good. That was good. It was powerful. And she deserves to have that feeling. So another fact from the Gimple interview. Yes. So that wasn't supposed to go as long as it was.

But everyone stopped basically in awe of Maggie's performance. And so he just told everyone to be quiet and let the cameras roll. I thought that was really dope. Really? Yeah. So that was not supposed to be that long of a scene. but he just let it go because she was like tearing it up. Which, that was an amazing scene.

You could almost tell that she wasn't American. What? You mean every actor pretty much is British? Well, here's something interesting, too. She has part of a pilot for, I think, ABC or NBC. Oh, yeah, because she hasn't signed a new deal yet. Right. So we don't even know.

We don't know. It's just a pilot. The pilot may sell, it may not sell. Is it signed? Have she signed for the season next year or the year after? No, I don't think she signed for next year. So we don't even know if Maggie, if she does come back, it may be just as a recurring role. Who knows?

Or they might have a new Maggie, right? I don't think they'll get a new Maggie. We couldn't. Would we buy that? No. Do you buy a new Maggie? I don't know. Unless she has a horribly disfiguring accident.

And you're like, who is that? I'm Maggie. And you don't know. That's the thing. And then you're like, that's it. She goes up against Rick and they pour acid on her. She becomes two-faced. She becomes two-face.

Yeah. And many. What about Carol? Carol's just Carol now, right? I mean, she went off. What's the way left? Oh, Chris Cruz is saying things in my ear now, so. Oh, okay, good.

So what about Carol? I mean, what's Carol? Carol's nothing now, right? She's going to go back. She's Morgan's gone. She'll go back to making cookies for the kid. Right. And living at the kingdom, right?

Yeah. I don't, I never got that. Her and the king will take care of a little business. Because for some reason, they're a couple. They're a better couple than Rick and Michaud. I have to agree with you there. I mean, at least there's some chemistry between the two of those. Yes, that's for sure.

And then what about the one of the... I did like the Carol as when she was walking with Morgan. I was sort of like that guy. Oh, Jesus. What about Then what about the talk between Daryl and Dwight Where Dwight was like, I know I am here

That's a good scene. That was a good. It was good. And we got a little happiness for Dwight Deerle of. Daryl should have killed him and we should have moved on. You said you didn't want Dwight to die. I didn't, but Daryl should have killed him. We lost absolutely no one. Not one person died.

One person. A bunch of saviors died. We killed a few walkers. I don't even know if we killed a few walkers in this episode of Walking Dead. When we moved into fear, we started killing Walkers again. You mean when we moved into the walking Bob? Yes. Anyway, but okay, what about the...

Oh, hang on said, but the Dwight scene, that would have been better. That would have fit more if he would have killed him. Absolutely. With the way that they ended the episode. Their relationship, Darrell should have killed him. Right. Right then. Put an arrow...

He said, I'm so sorry. He got down on his knees, arrow through his head. pull the arrow out, drive away. Then goes back to the hilltop and then he's like, yeah, we're damn straight. We're going to uprising against Rick. Right. That would have made more sense. It sure would have.

Then there's the next scene after that or after the whole Maggie thing is Negan laying like this and with a bandage around his neck. Well, that's when, you know, Michone and Rick are trying to. Which I honestly, that was a really good scene. What did you call them Rich. Reshone? I didn't make that up. Which, by the way, if Carol and the King get together, they'll become Carol King. Thank you, Raquel.

What about Ezekiel? What about his... He doesn't even know who Carol can. No, he's just like, old man, shut up and move on. Whatever. But that was a good scene, especially when Rick was like you having people... I can't talk. Well, let me add in the fact that Jeffrey Dean Morgan said that Michone was really pinching his throat.

He said, well, she was really leaning into it. And he said, I couldn't do anything. I was handcuffed to the bed. He said, I'm going, so she was really getting into him. Yeah. Would have been a shame to lose her last night. I'll tell you that.

I know. I think she's going to take Andrea's death from the comics. That's just me. The more I read about those actors, the more I'm surprised on how, like, method a lot of them are. Yes. Like, because we already knew that, like, remember the, what was that one,

the other fight were Negan got his nose broken? Yeah. So apparently the, the fight that they had were, you know, this final fight. Yeah. They were doing the same stuff. Like he said they were rolling around the ground. They had to take constant breaks.

It took three hours. They said to film that fight scene because they were just going at it. I know. Actually fighting on the ground, like going after it. I know for a fact, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, he has said he's not method. He said as soon as they say action, then he gets into character. And as soon as they say cut, he's done. I remember a scene with, do you remember, and Maximus will not know who this person is,

but there was a comedian, a TV star named Jackie Gleason years ago. I know who Jackie Gleason. I know who Jackie Gleason is. Good, thank you. That makes me happy. And he was filming a movie, and the scene was him supposed to be come running up and breathing heavy from running around the block chasing someone. It's kind of how you are when you just walk around the corner. And so when they said, okay, we're going to shoot the scene.

Don't you want to go around the corner? And Jackie Gleason was like, no, it's called acting. I'm going to stand here and breathe heavy. We'll be good. Roll the cameras. I don't need to run. That doesn't need to happen. That's funny.

All right, so there you go. Season finale of Walking Dead, we are, it's a new world, right? We're in the new world. Negan is all but dead. Rick wants to live life beautifully with Michone and raise the little babies and have us all get along and put flowers on the table every day, I guess. and Maggie may or may not have the baby may or may not be back next year wants to kill Negan and go against Rick

having her cuckoo-c-c-choo against Rick with Darrell and Jesus and Morgan has had enough he can't do it anymore he's out again and now he goes for a walk and then he's gone first he's in no first he starts living in the junkyard which we had a Rick

but he was already on his way he was already leaving that was the deal he was going he wanted to be alone he wanted to get out out of there. The junkyard was to heal. During that healing time is where we get the visits and that was in

fear. Right? Was that still fear? Yeah, that was fear. Yeah. Fear was the visits of... Jesus, Carol, and Rick. We went to see it at the theater. We went to see it at the theater and one of the things that they did, which I kind of liked

and I wish they may have done something different with it. No commercials. Thank you. They went the entire Bulls shows Hey and there were no commercials There wasn't even a pee break between them quite frankly

I know I would have kind of maybe like Maybe an interview or two And they're just to set it Talk about a scene Maybe one of the some of the big scenes That they did To have somebody tell us about that scene I'm sorry grandpa

But that 45 minute episode is too much You couldn't Well I just said that They could have They could have sprinkled something I mean Basically I bought a

a large drink. Basically, we bought tickets to see no commercials, and that was it. Don't you start on Grandpa, Grandpa. What we did is since we were outside goofing off, we missed some of the earlier interviews at 730 because they started shooting some stuff at 730. And then we did get the guy that does the other talk show, whatever the name of the at the end. You want me to do it?

I'll do it. I'm not going to say the name of the show. Today, really, I have no problem with that. I'm not going to say the name of the show. I'm not going to say the name of it. I don't have a problem. I know you're not. The mic's going to be off soon.

All right, so we're into fear. And so go ahead. Morgan's at the junkyard. No. The mic was cut off. See how easy that is to happen? Wow. Nice.

Oh, now it's all back on. So we're at the junkyard. We're at the junkyard. And what happens? Oh, wait, you're talking about you. Yes. Did you hit it with his bat early? What'd you do to him?

And then we have Jesus come and talk to Morgan and then Carol and then Rick. And they're all charged. Don't leave. Don't leave. Come back. Morgan's like, would you people leave me alone? I know. I took me a little while to get rid of what's her face and.

Jesus. I got rid of her. I just want to be left alone. Yeah. You can't run. Yes, I can. Watch me. Because this show is going to, this show, technically this show, fear just jumped ahead five years.

So they didn't start at the junkyard, though, did they? They started with Doily, right? No. Oh, well, yeah. They started with Dory. That was just, like a teaser scene. Just talking out into the, that was amazing. I love that entire opening sequence.

That was an amazing. That was cool. Which one? Where? He's turned by his truck. Just talking to the air. If you're out there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was really good.

That was an amazing scene. That was so good. That was really good, yeah. Just, because that's what you got, that's where you got the title of the show, too. The title of the show is, what's your story? Right. That's where he has. So what's your story?

Yeah, that was really good. And there was so many, this episode, if you, I am actually, I'm ready for this season. I am too. Just the little things, just the little nuances that they did in that, just in this episode, like you and Brad, you and me were talking back and forth. Oh, it was the. Just remember the shots and everything? Yes.

There was like a back shot from him. Like, it was just insane looking. Yeah, they spent some money on this one. Yes, they did. And for whatever reason, they want fear to succeed. So they're dumping into it. And Raquel wanted to know if that other talk show aired in the theater. No, it did not.

Nope, he just teased it, though. He teased watching it after. But it was, I mean, I did think that they started to get, I mean, here's Morgan walking. And here's the close-up of Morgan's feet walking. And then here he is driving. And then he's driving. Because with a full tank. and then an empty tank.

Well, he found the candy. He must have gone a long way because the tank went from full to empty. Because that Cadillac with that 400-sized engine gets a lot. You can travel, I don't know, a whole 150 miles on that thing. And then when we saw the snake, what I lean over and say to you, Jason? And they're in the desert. Yeah, you see, we're in the desert now. Because there's a snake.

So how long do you think it took him from all the driving he did walking and running to go from Virginia to Texas? About 10 minutes. In real life or in the mood and fear? Because in fear, it only took him about a minute. Yeah. No, I'm talking, in real life, how long do you think it would take from Virginia to Texas? Oh, I don't know. Depending on, yeah, depending on how fast you walk, right?

He was walking, you know, we ended up wearing out a pair of shoes, right, for whatever reason because we went from, we went to a new pair of shoes. Right. And then you came to the last guy with the duct tape around the shoes. You know, somewhere along the line there was a roll of duct tape he found to tape his shoe. You're looking at weeks. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially in that world. Yeah. Several ways. And he might take a time. They saw him stop. Oh, there's a lot of sightseeing on the way. Well, you saw him stop and stay in that little trailer, right, and eat. Look at that.

It's the world's largest thermometer. Holy crap. And it's not broken. Look at that. I got to take some selfies with this. That's insane. Yeah. Is that the ball of twine?

By the way, the steam engine was invented in this set and in the show. John Dory was also, I'd forgotten about this. He was the dad on Raising Hope. On Fox. But I recognized it because as soon as we saw him, we're like, who is that guy? I know him. He was on Deadwood with Kim Dickens.

So he goes, he played two different characters on Deadwood. I like his character. I do too. He's a very likable character actor. And I'm a writer. So this was sticking out to me. We used that term loosely.

Very, very. Yeah. But the writing was on point. It was. It was really good. And then we have the new character, Al, come in, with a SWAT fan after they get cat

right yeah she was good okay so that that actress is also famous yeah she's the girl that was on Taken uh huh so the so they spent some money they spent I mean these are name actors that character actors but they're still yeah no I mean she does a good job look I'm a writer

and uh she does a really good job on how she how she said those words and uh I'm trying to come back but I'm like nope that's too mean nope that's too mean Sorry Sorry

So do you journal every day? I'm not really Dear diary It's called blogging today I'm sorry, okay I never thought I'd be right to you this letter Look They might make fear better than Walking Dead

It could happen if Scott Gimple is going there This is where we're at with it now right I mean this season look I said it would save them For at least a season and it will With the way it was set up last night, it will save them for a season. There's bigger stars in fear now than there is in Walking Dead, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. More established stars, absolutely.

I'm sorry, I was just, I don't, we were saying that the reason they were going out into the woods is because they didn't have the budget. And it's always seemed like every move they've made is because they didn't have money. This is the only time since we've been watching this where it looks like all of a sudden they have an influent fusion of tons of cash. But why all of a sudden? I don't know. Why in season four? Ah, hell, let's make this thing work. Why not?

It's a completely weird. It's a complete over. The cinematographer, they must have spent a boatload of money just in the cinematographer alone because he is completely different than what they've been doing. I want to know the story between John and the story he was talking about Laura and her with a pistol. He lost her. He wants the gun back. He's looking for the pistol.

Nobody's seen it yet. Susan in Pennsylvania, you're on talking walking. Hello, Susan. How are you? Hello. Hello. Hey. Hey, Jeffrey.

Hey, guys. How you doing? Fine. Thank you. Good. Well, I watched the show last night. Enjoyed it. I thought, I don't know how much.

I just tuned in, and I'm not on Facebook, so I haven't been listening live. Oh, you've missed some good stuff. I know I have. I have. I have listened to the older ones after the other. And Susan, just as a just as a. point of fact, we also found out that Jason is a writer. Yeah.

So I'm going to attack right now. You need to get my back here. Go ahead, Susan. I'm sorry. Well, I'm actually the, I wrote a book. It's up on Amazon. It's called Faith Fighting and Forgiving. Life Lessons from the Walking Dead.

Oh, how we got rid of this? Awesome. Why haven't we received our copy yet? Because she wants us to buy it. I see the Facebook post right to hawk. trying to hawk that darn book. I retweeted about it, apparently. You did, you did, Brad, re-tweeted.

You are a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. Now you just need to go on Amazon and get the book. You will like. Susan, is this your first book? It is my first book, yeah. This is just a helpful hint from me. This is just me, me to you.

There's nobody else here. All right, just me to you. A lot of times what authors do is they write a book, and like you did. And it's a fascinating book, I'm sure. But so that people in, I don't know, radio and television, podcasting.

This is where you asked for free stuff. They, for instance, like you, what would happen is you would send me a copy. And then I would read it and interview you about it. And then other people would purchase it.

And then that's how it works. So please give me free stuff is what he just said. I'll pay for it. I'll be nice. So Max will not pay for it because that's my mind. And we'll, I will be happy to, if you want to offline send me an address, will be happy to send you a copy. And I think that a great idea would be to have one last podcast to sort of wrap up season eight and then have me on for about 10 minutes as a guest after you've had a chance to read the book.

So really, this wrap up podcast for season eight interferes not enough for you. You coming on live and hawking your book That's not enough for you Now we've got to read it And actually do the interview on another podcast Well Susan I want to hear some of these life lessons Just shoot a few off top of your head Well in relating to last night

Specifically the season finale And the whole thing with the all-out war The second part of the book deals with When you're faced with a predator leader You can't be neutral You can't, and Rick has, this was the tweet that Brad retweeted, Rick has never, ever been the same as Negan because he's never killed as a predator. That's true.

So in the book, I go through, and the book just goes through the end of season six, it came out about a year ago. I counted and went through all the humans, not walkers, but humans, that both Rick and Carol have killed. and they're all justified. Okay. Even the, even the attack on the Savior, the first attack on the Savior satellite compound, because, you know, they already knew who this group was. They already knew that the Saviors will go and beat somebody to death in order to subjugate your group.

You know, Abraham and... I think it was Rosita. Yeah, they were already attacked on the road. So even that, which a lot of people, list as you know oh well Rick's gotten as bad as Negan because he's not he's not fighting for the same reasons and that's the chapter one of the chapters is called the why of fighting it's true in our world when you hear things like you know oh well it wasn't a proportional response or whatever you know proportional response is a way to just keep

war going hey Susan you're using some really big words and Jason and they're getting really confused. Plus, I mean... I understand everyone they're saying. Jason was the one that asked the question, but, you know, how much longer do we have to... I thought you were going to go into another chapter. So, if I want to purchase your book, where do I buy it? Amazon.

She just said that. And the title one more time. Faith, fighting, and forgiving. Life lessons from the walking dead. Awesome. Thank you very much, Susan. I appreciate it. Just like we agreed, the check is in the mail and it's $200 bucks to me, right?

Susan, it's S-T-H-E-G-S. They couldn't hear that, yeah. Yeah, no, she's gone. By the way, Sean just said, did she suggest that Jeffie read a book? That's a good point. It's probably got big words. Yeah, and some pictures.

I bet she doesn't have any pictures. She's not having rights for that. That's true. That's her first book. She's not paying rights for that. Back to fear, what do you guys think of the truck that Al has? That's a nice truck. It's a SWAT truck, right?

I'd like to know where she gets the gas. MRAP. That was the first thing I had an MRA. I heard you. Five miles to the gallon, does she not have a tanker hidden somewhere? Because that thing ain't going very far. She's driving around all over at night. They're driving around. Uh-huh.

Chasing walkers around. Dude, when does fear lead the way in the Walking Dead franchise with cool like Walker destroying like gadgets and stuff? I know. Like that thing when they mowed down with that crazy lever that they kept talking about, with the machine guns. That was dope. The hand grenade inside the, uh,

The trailer killing the whole slew of the... That was dope. Oh, yeah, the FEMA walkers. That was the FEMA trailers there. That's what that was, yeah. That was definitely FEMA trailers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. So those were all FEMA workers.

That's what happens, FEMA. Holy crap, man. They did everything right in this episode. Yeah, that was cool. Up until the point where they reintroduced the old characters. Ex. Exactly. And the old characters, I was thinking, why are they out scavenging?

But if they're living, if some of the previews had them, living in some stadium you know group, some commune, some 60s commune commie group where we're all for one, one for all, except not really. Right. But they're out scavenging to bring food back. I mean, they're just doing what everybody

was doing for Negan. Yeah. For the stadium, right? Yeah. They're going out, scavenging and bringing stuff back. Yeah. And people. So they're... Oh, and Morgan's going back to the I don't kill people. Faze. So how many seasons charity wants to know, how many seasons do we think Walking Dead has left in it? I don't know.

Multiple, I'm guessing, just because of the comics thing. It's been on for eight years. Hopefully the Whispers show up next season. Hopefully. So ratings dropped pretty significantly this year, right? Sure did. And this should have been the biggest season ever with Negan. Right.

I mean, it should have been, they should have knocked it out of the park. But people, it's just, eventually it just gets old. Yes. And the big episode with Enie Mani Moni Moe went against what they were hoping. You know, that killing his big death scene and, you know, the season. the season premiere and the death of who's going to die and everything was so huge

but they had been kind of a really they saw a lot of gore but it just didn't seem so since it was gore against human and Walker it didn't seem as real

as it did when Negan was killing another humans that weren't walkers and a lot of people kind of fell back on that yeah but this answer is question. Because everybody's saying about two years left, which makes sense for why they're putting their resources into fear now and why Scott

Dimple. Just ride walking dead out. Yep, write it out and ride onto this one and make it the good show and then you got another 10 years of... Okay, but here's a problem with that. And I can see it and it makes, you're right, it makes absolutely sense when you're sitting around the table talking about it. But here's a problem, and they didn't call me, so I mean they should have.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm here. Yeah. Scott. They didn't They didn't think like Morgan is going to save it for a year Okay But the other characters from fear I know Max this is out of your purview Since you haven't watched fear yet

But Since I haven't allowed you to watch fear yet I can marathon fear in my room if I wanted to But Not after tonight Wow There went that plan Max don't ever telescope your attack plan

The characters on fear we don't really like. Yeah. I mean, we haven't. But that's why they've added John Dory and the, what's your name? Al. So hopefully. Al. Al.

Al. And Jenna freaking Elfman is going to come on at some point. She's in the IMDB now. Really? Jenna Elfman. Yeah. So there's been some considerable. Okay.

You know, they could actually, now that they have the star power and they start seeing people talk about some of these guys. dusting off some of the original. Exactly. Yeah. Do it. By all means. No kidding.

Nick, you're out of here, buddy. I don't watch none of these. Madison, you're out of here, girl. A lot of people still kind of like Nick, though. Yeah, the kid. Nick is great. I love when he dusts himself in blood and he just walks with the walkers. Are you talking out of the air?

That's pretty cool. I like it. Are you seriously? Oh, I am seriously. Hi, Chris? How are you doing? What are you doing? He's in the next room.

You can't reach him. No? And he can. Puerto Ricans are everywhere. Chris is and I've talked to a lot of people that really like, they like Nick. Nick is cool. Yeah. I mean, okay, so he, you know, he's a junkie, so on.

So who's the... He wants to walk around, kill people with his armor. I know. So who's the leader of the group in fear? Madison. Madison. Okay. Not for long.

Yeah, I mean, right. What's weird as I like her, I like the actress. And she's good and everything else. But this show, because of the writing, I think. She was great in Deadwood. That might be. Everything they have her say, everything. Although it didn't seem to change much when she was with, what's his face, Strand.

And plus, I like to drink with you. And it just doesn't seem like her for some reason. I don't, but. And some people are suggesting that Rick, Andrew Lincoln, wants to leave Walking Dead, which, again, would indicate, okay. Who said that? And somebody suggested on Facebook Who's it?

The bill. Wait, so that's a rumor or that's, they're just saying that? It would make sense. Again, he's probably kind of had it up to here with playing Rick after eight years and wants to do other stuff. That's generally what happens. Yeah, but I mean, he's got another good two or three years left to ride it out. So that's probably, you got a couple more years.

So that's probably why he's saying, look at a couple years. I mean, he's got, we're already, they were already got the first probably five or six years they got no money from right right i mean whatever deal they had was for episodes and the the residuals for repeats go to amc but now i guarantee they're getting residuals yeah the last yeah the last three to four seasons that money's going back to them yeah well he's got to knock out a couple more seasons so he gets so he gets into that if they renegotiated contract so they could have gone back instead of we want residuals from seasons one on through yeah for syndication he's in the bet he's He's like, they're now in the position like Friends was.

Yes. Or if he lose one, you're screwed. Yeah. If he backs out, he could probably ask anything he wants. And they're also in the position of it's too much money to do. Yeah. You know, we're losing, we're losing. You know, like fear, they dump the money into fear because they're not paying for characters.

Yep. Yeah. And so Walking Dead has had all the money for the walkers and the fights and the big scenes and the hord. But the characters now want more money. So yeah, well, yeah, there's a Walker in the bush over there. I am still just completely baffled on why they decide to give them so much money. This is my fear is that now it's going to turn. See what you did there.

I see what you did there? It's going to turn ridiculous. Writers do that. See, that's it. Boom. Clever plays on words. Take that. Take me from my...

Continue? What were you saying? But this is what I'm afraid of. I think that they're going to make this completely crazy political. I just got the feeling. Because I can't imagine why they get so much. money in Hollywood. I don't understand it. But that's my fear. But AMC is based in Atlanta, A, and B, they're shooting it in Texas. So, I don't know. I mean, it's possible. They've already

worked awful hard jamming the LGBTQ and the gay crowd down our throats in the shows and making it with multiracial, multiracial relationships. I mean, we've, it's all fine. I really, I personally, I don't care. But I'm just saying they go out of, their way to make that happen. Right. I got no problem with it either. But it's when you're so obviously trying to shove that down everyone's throat. That's when it doesn't even make sense. You know, like, you're like, okay.

It doesn't matter. Annie wants to know, can they wrap it up and lead them towards civilization in two seasons, 32 episodes? I'm guessing that would be on Walking Dead. So that will kind of, but then at that point, if the timelines have paralleled, that means that things are well, they also, well, they time skipped. Well, yes. Yes. Yes. Fear did.

Fear just jumped the head. But if walking dead, if everything's fine on walking dead, then it's got to start getting fine over here. Exactly. So what needs to happen is what's going to happen, if they spend all that money on fear, they'll shut down Walking Dead, and anybody that's worthy will just come to fear.

Yep. Hey, Max, when will they finish, when will Kirkman finish New World Order? I don't know. He hasn't called you or anything. Well, what's typical? Like, well, how long did it take for the All-Out War series? to play out?

It took a full couple, I think two volumes. I don't know how many issues that is made. I think it ended like at issue 50, I think all that war, because all at war

of course started with issue 100 when Negan first showed up. So I'm just, what I'm getting at is I wonder if they'll skip the whispers go straight into

New World Order. I don't think they're going to As a writer, I can see where you'd ask that question. If that is, however, what's your face in,

except here's the thing. With them showing that giant and for one moment and they also had what's his face, Savior Boy, talk about building things from the book that Searsucker Lady left.

So they're still keeping that train alive. But I don't think they will skip the whispers because if that giant herd and the spikes with them marking their borders, which is I'm guessing a direct thing for the whispers, I don't think

they're going to skip the whispers. That's just me. It's possible. I'm just saying. Me, I'm wondering who they're going to get. You've got the same look on your face that Jeffrey had when he started talking about Bob. What? I did not. What if someone later in the season is talking to Morgan and he goes,

you look more like a Bob to me? You look more like a Bob. What's your name? No, you're not Morgan. We're calling you Bob. Which just means they listen to the show. I'm sorry, but that was the all-time greatest moment in this podcast. It was.

You're getting an award for that one day. Yes. We're going to make sure. We do have posters to give out, don't we? Yeah, but we're, I'm not giving anything out now. I'm not doing it. We're live. We've already done an hour.

If Susan wants a poster, she's a caller, she can have a poster. Do we have any other colors? She's going to send me a book. I'll send her a poster. She will send her a poster. And then I don't want any more callers. We're done for me, buddy. We just turned the phone lines off.

Down the lock, we pulled the plug on the phone lines. And thanks for watching on Facebook. It's been fun. And thank you for listening on the audio podcast, which will be up. Wouldn't Brad? Certainly by next month. Yeah. I mean, I think June, I'm going with May.

May. Yeah, at least if it's not up before the end of May, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, forget it. It's over. All right. Thanks. This has been Talking Walking Dead.

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