Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Season 9 Episode 4: "The Obliged" - 10/29/18

Episode Date: October 29, 2018

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The Blaze Radio Network On Demand Season 9, episode 4, the obliged. Jeff Fisher, joining me, Jason Butchell and Maximus Fisher. Oh, man, I tell you, this season so far, including season 9, episode 4,

was tremendous. And what, does that make this? Talking Walking Dead. This thing on? Jason. Wait, everybody to be quiet. Okay. Man, I got to tell you that these last four episodes, including this and more importantly, last night's episode, was what got me hooked on Walking Dead.

Absolutely agree. Absolutely agree. Last night, oh my gosh, we haven't had one of those in so long. This was an amazing episode. There's only so many. episodes I felt like this on this show. Episode number one, absolutely for sure. Yeah. The episode where they were in

the box car and he was like, they don't know who they're messing with the wrong. Yeah. Like, I got it then. It's like very, but this is like, I'll never forget this episode. I will not. And to almost to the point to where I don't think that they can live up to next, next week.

I don't think it can, I don't think it can live up to it. I don't, I almost could just stop watching this week. Just skip ahead. I might, yeah, or just stop. Totally. I won't. Don't get me wrong. I won't.

But I probably could and be fine with the season as is. I mean, this series as is. If we weren't doing this, I believe you're probably right. I don't want, I know I'm jumping ahead here, but I don't want to watch next week. I don't. They can't do it. They just won't be able to do it right. Well, you saw the preview of what next week was.

Yeah. You know what they're going to do is it's going to be all like he's, alive and going through seeing everybody in the past and he's back at the hospital and he's back riding through Atlanta and he's going to go through and see all the past people and then the end is going to be him on the rebar. No. Absolutely. No.

With the walkers just eating him alive. No. Absolutely. I would throw something through my TV screen. Absolutely. That's what it's going to be. I would be buying a new TV. I'm telling you, that's what it's going to be.

That's what it's going to be. We're kind of skipping ahead here, but reasonably. No, I know we skipped way ahead. I know, but I'm telling you, that's what it's going to be. And we can fight about it as we go on. But, okay, so the, as, you know, it started off great. You know, we had, you know, Maggie and she's going to go to Alexandria, and we learned, you know, we talked a little bit about this last week,

about how, you know, the communication was like, yes, they're letting her go. Which, that surprised me from the get-go because I thought that she was going, I thought they were both walking to Alexandria. It looked that way, right? Yeah, but no. Yeah, but no. So, Darrell went to back to the camp and Maggie went back to Hiltop. Right, but we talked about that last week, though, that it seemed like because of the preview

that you called that, split up. Yeah, and they did, and that didn't make much sense. Yeah. The way, from the way it ended to where it left us. Yeah. So in the beginning we see Maggie packing up. We see her pack up like a crowbar. And then she talks to Jesus.

And then after that conversation, she heads to, so you start sending out to Alexandria on the horses. Yeah. And so, and, you know, she's taking her,

you know, her security lady. It looked like she's from the kingdom. I don't remember where she's from. We'll just leave it at that. And the, and I like the, I like, you know, then we get Daryl and Rick, right?

The Daryl and Rick fighting. Why are we skipping over that? I seem to remember a little pot calling the kettle black comment in the text message. What do you mean? At that point? You commented on the bodyguard? Made a little comment. I was like.

I don't recall. Seriously? I almost fired back. I was like, I don't think that you can really say that, Jeffie. I don't recall. I'll look again. Okay. I'll look again.

Let me see what I got this. Hold on. Yeah, as we're talking about, I can't believe you don't remember that. Did you find it? Let's see. Oh, you've got to. If you don't find it, then I'm going to find it. I would too, but I don't have my phone on me.

Yeah, you, son. Let's see, let's see what it says here. It says, in love with the New World nannies. So because Maggie gives the baby to her nanny before she takes off. then that's when she starts talking to Jesus and her security lady says, you ready, you ready, Maggie? And I said, easy there, security person. No, that is not what you said.

That's a quote. That is not a quote. I text to you're easy there security person. No. He is misquoting himself as he's reading it. Easy there, fat chick with no food. There we go. I looked at it and I was like

way too easy I'm going to let that slide but I will call him out tomorrow Calm down over there Maggie's in charge Settle down with you and your horse over there Tick me off They're struggling for food But not her

She wasn't fat Okay But then we see Daryl Rick talking to Eugene. Yeah, we had the Eugene segment, and we had the, you know, the Rick talking to Carol, saying, you know, the world is beautiful

and it's better because of you. Every scene was like a big setup for the goodbye. I know. The Eugene scene was basically saying, no, I appreciate you. Everything you've done. It's okay. You could tell everything was a wrap-up. You know, it's like, oh.

I know. And here's the thing that scene with Carol, there was an ad lib in it at the end where Carol's just looking around and like not knowing what to do then Rick says get out of here that line was ad-libbed the get out of here was

that's funny and and then we get and that's another thing where everything was to wrap up for the goodbye because when when Rick and Darrell get into the walker trap

into the giant hole the hole in the ground when they're fighting because you know they're obviously they you know Darrell's taking Rick and taking him the long way to Alexandria and that's when he realizes. Wait a minute, what's going on? They stop and they fight.

I was expecting more fisticuffs there as well. I wasn't expecting it to. There probably would have been had there not been the whole. And so they rolled down the hole. But, okay, so that whole scene was like old days walking. That whole scene was tremendous. Gut-wrenching, man. There were so many parts of that when I'd say what, like there's been a couple

Darrell scenes, Darrell Rick scenes, that I've like felt some bro tears coming on. That one of the worst was for me to, you know, you know, it's like one of those, we were choking it back and making sure no one in your family is like watching to see, you know, if you're tearing up. But the one, remember when Darrell escaped from the Saviors? Oh, yeah. And they're at the hilltop. And they both just kind of looked at each other and both just kind of burst into tears.

Like, oh, there's something about the scenes between those two. I just can't, like. I mean, you talk about they went from, I mean, they went from, you know, all out good to all out mad and hate to all out coldness like crap we're screwed to back to all out love again yeah see it was really good oh yeah the um the uh i i would when he said i would die for you for darrell talking to rick i was like dude don't do that come on well the only thing that was the wrap up i think in that scene that felt made it feel like the wrap up was when he said brother brother yeah stop it He wouldn't say that.

In season two, he would just be hollering, take my hand. Let's go. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's the relationship with how it's grown. Yeah. Okay, so I know where I see you're coming from. It was like, it was a little force. It was a force.

It sounded forced. No, it did, but then I was still glad they did it. Because, you know what I mean? It was just like the both of them, it was like no hard feelings. You know, like at the end of the day, this is who we are. Right. I still loved it. It did, but I feel you.

It definitely felt a little forced. And it proved Darrell right when he said when it's our group, there's nothing we can't do. Yeah. And he's right. What about when they were talking about Carl? Hey, well, you know, Carl's dead. Move on.

But it did go to explain, though, like why Rick is so diehard. Yeah, exactly. And pursuing this. You know, it's like, and then Daryl can understand. You know what I mean? So, like, I don't know. It was a very good, I thought, wrap up for the two of them and the animosity. The screw up that they did last, you know, the season finale last season.

Right. Where they tried all sinister, make it look like everybody had turned. No, no one's turned. It's just there's differences like in any family. Yes. Which is how you look at this. There's differences in fights in any family. So I wonder if, and then we had the, the Nigan and Michone.

That was another great one. No, see, when we go back to the very beginning of the episode, when Michelle is going through her, you know, where we're stuck. at Alexandria with the kid and then at night she's going out killing walkers with the sword and I think there was you know that was more of a lot to break down on that there's some good walker kills in that I feel like it was more her like just keeping in training than struggling to be you know what I mean there's more of her training epa's like he's got to go extra it's got to go to the gym and the gym in her world is killing walkers with the sword okay yeah I yeah I you could

They were definitely setting up that conversation with Negan later. Yes. Because he was one to say, you're like me and with the bat. We kept getting bat references in the kid's story. And she killed the one with the bat because she got caught off guard with the one Walker. I thought that was Lucille for a second. But then we realized that it's not. Well, the blood and gore kind of made it look like.

I think that was the point. Yeah, that was interesting. That was kind of cool. There's so much to break down with that. At first, I was like, okay, they're setting up, you know, Michone as, like, the leader. Like, this is the stuff that she's. she's going to have to leave behind because now she's putting into a leadership role and she doesn't like it but then i was like i wonder if they're setting up michone as the rick style leader

but nigan as the needed enforcer like he's the guy that they need out there basically kick an a you know i i don't know i don't know if they're setting that up or not but in the comic books does he become that he he plays a pretty big part later especially when rick says okay you could help with this. Since we're not going to have Rick saying that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, who is, I just don't see how this is going to reconcile.

I don't know how Daryl's going to allow this. I don't know how, who are the other originals that will, Maggie and Daryl and Carol. But Maggie will be gone soon. She's like half, yeah, I mean, she's half gone. She's going to, what they're going to do to her probably is, uh, right?

So Rick dies and we've got to do the morning for Rick. And because of, of Rick's, because of the martyrdom for Rick, Maggie will let Negan live because that's what Rick wanted, right? I guess. There was a scene. I watched the end scene of the last week's episode right before I watched this one. And it didn't stick out of my mind, but when Maggie was like, when she was talking to

the Oceanside Chicks, she was like, you did this because of me? Remember because they said when they saw, she was actually, you could tell she was actually mortified at that idea. She had to let it go because she knew that she kind of opened Pandora's box, but she was like, you did this because of me. Basically, I opened this box. Yes, you did. So I think that was some more like foreshadowing for later.

She's going to have that decision, then she's going to have to rein it back in. Right. There's all a little bit of Jerry this episode. I have a theory about that too. Can't have enough Jerry. I think you're going to be sad with my theory. Oh, no.

In the beginning, we see him right. Jerry death. We see him right up and give Rick the news that, hey, Maggie's going to Alexandria, and then the whole saviors coming to get revenge on Oceanside, which we need to talk about. And I called him Hefe. Yeah.

Heffey. He's so great. But I think they set up his death last night. How so? Because when the Saviars came to fight Carol and they called her

little old woman, I want to Carol to just rip his eyes out right then. Tell me you didn't. Yeah, no kidding. He was just a little old woman. I want her just to reach up and poke his eyes out of his skull. Called a little old woman this.

It was a little weak, by the way. Whatever. Whatever it was, I want to Carol to just destroy him. And she did. But while that was going on, okay? So remember we saw Jerry come out of his, come off the side, right? He's got his... Axe on his back and then he pulled out pistol.

He's got his lumberjack sword. There's lumberjack sword on his back. And he's got his gun, right? And then we go back to Rick and Darrell and we hear gunshot. You think? I think Jerry gets shot. Oh, better not. I'm fine with him getting injured.

I don't want him killed. Yeah, he better not. Uh-uh. He better not. He has it, because they're going to be down so many like likable characters. That's true, which saves him. No question about that. That definitely saves him.

Or at least his chances. Yes. See, that's another great thing about this show. You know, like, we're like literally, I literally don't know. Like, they could do anything. Like any one of these characters could die. I would be deviant. I'd be so disappointed in some of these.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we've all grown to hate the Savior guys, right? I mean, we want them gone. Well, not all of them, just the ones that were had led by mud. Well, maybe so. But when you get to the point where I think you agree with, right, we shouldn't have let them live. I certainly agree with that.

Well, one savior at least who seems to have at least switch sides, other than the guy at Hilltop is the blonde girl with the barcode on her neck. She seems good. Did she? I don't know. Didn't she jump out with the rest of them? Yes, she came in with the other ones. I don't think she was with the rest of them.

I think she looked like she jumped out with the rest of them. She's the reason the chick on the horse fell off and stuff, right? That's how we got the lone ranger horse freed for Rick to hop on. I was wondering where the heck that came from. I was like, how the heck did this horse just show up right here? I was like, come on. Remember it's because the girl, our girl, was on the silver, the Rangers horse. And that's when they started shooting.

And it just happens to make it to that around where that hole was? Well, they were close. You heard the shooting from the hole, so they weren't that far. Come on, man. Because Darrell said that's from the camp. He knows. He knows where gunshots come from. He's Darrell.

I got the impression they were a lot further along than just that area. No, you can't possibly go that far in a motorcycle. Don't be stupid. I was like those gunshots sound like they're in the backyard. I was like, what the heck? No, Daryl was just driving Rick in a circle. He wasn't taking him anywhere.

Don't be dumb. Let's go analyze. So then the horse shows up. I'm sorry, go ahead. Before we talk about the scene at the end, I kind of want to analyze a little bit the conversation of Moshone and Negan. I know you love Negan. No kidding.

I do. He's all Negan. It's all right. No, I get it. What would you pick out? Well, of course, in the beginning, they were talking about, you know, he mentioned his wife again and stuff like that. Good little Negan backstory. Mm-hmm.

And then at the end when around it, he says, oh, you're not afraid of being me, you're afraid of becoming me. That was a good line. Yeah. Negan, I mean, we're getting to see just a little bit how crazy he is, right? I mean, he's in love with Lucille, which is always, which is, you know, a little weird. and then he's banging his head on the brick waller at the end after he talks. It was really good talk with him and Mishon him, and he's kind of right. I mean...

That's so not true, by the way. I don't think Lucille is back at the tree. Yes, it's got to be somewhere. No, Rick hasn't somewhere, right? Didn't we see that? No, we didn't see. I don't think he had Lucille. At first I thought it was, but then I got a closer look at it,

that thing he was hearing in the beginning. That wasn't Lucille. No, but I thought we saw it. Regardless, she's coming back. You know she's coming back. Oh, we know she's coming back, but I think if Michone was telling the truth, once he escapes, first place he's heading is that tree to get Lucille. Does he escape in the comics?

Yes. How? Well, the son of parents that died in Alexandria due to the whispers, he let Nekin go to get back at Rick and then. So this is going to be a while then. The whispers have to show up first. The whispers have to show up, and we don't have to show up. And we don't have Rick.

Yeah. We don't have Rick anymore, so it's going to have to be. Mishone is. Yeah. I guess, Mishone. Yeah. It just seemed like they were really setting that up that she's going to step into the role. Okay.

Yeah, whatever. I don't know. I don't know. Hey, wait, was Rick gone? No more Rishone. That's true. That's a bonus. That is a bonus.

One silver lining. That is a bonus. I wish it was the other way around. Yeah. But that is a bonus. Oh, what's wrong when we were shown, guys? I'm sorry, I just know you guys say it is. And Jesus was with Maggie.

I didn't quite understand him last night either. He's tearing me both ways on him. I want to like him and I don't want to like him. And I just, he seemed to think like he seemed to be opposite of what he believed. Yes. In the beginning, right? When he was talking to Maggie. You know, because of the screw up with the last season season finale.

Like his character would not be on board with that. Right. He wouldn't be on board with hanging Gregory, anything. And now, like, it's just completely screwed up. Yeah, I don't. It doesn't make any sense. No. Anyway, it just was really, really strange.

And now to the. I mean, Maggie could have very easily just turned around and I was, shut up. You supported me for all of that. Like, you're talking about it. Yeah. Now you have a problem with it? I'm going with the fat chick. I'm out.

Is this joke? Do you mean the security? Security, yes. Security, yes. Or security detail. Maybe it's Maggie. When Maggie tries to get Negan, that's when he escapes. That could be it.

That's possible. They could take his escape a little earlier. Yeah, they're going to need to, right? I mean, they're going to need to bump that up because they're going to have to have somebody to hunt, somebody to hate. And he could escape when we bring in the whispers, right? I guess.

And where did that hole come from? We've been living in these camps for how long now, and nobody knew that hole was there? Well, because they always stayed on the roads. That was off the road. The only reason they were in the hole is because they were fighting and they fell in the hole. Okay. If you say so, I mean, I'll give you that, but I find that hard to believe.

It could have been a whisperer thing. I think you said that in the group text. Probably not. They don't dig holes like that from what I've seen. Well, that was their first one. Then they realized, why did we do that? They don't do it anymore. So then, of course, Rick and Darrell get up.

out of the hole, which was tremendous, of course. I mean, it was like the old Walking Dead days. You knew they were going to do it. It's just a matter of how they were going to do it and what was going to happen. It's so good. But then they break up. You know, they split up because Rick can't meet in the bridge. We've got to take the walkers.

Darrell, you go your own way. And even Darrell was like, okay, okay, I'll go. But you lead them to the bridge. The bridge won't hold them. It will collapse and then they'll get swept upstream. And he doesn't want to hurt the bridge. He doesn't want to destroy the bridge. And then the other setup, too, that was so forced was be safe.

Yeah I'm not going to say that It's just not going to say it You guys have they've done so many things Like just like that like this should be routine You know what I mean This would not be a old Holy crap

Like this is so routine It's those two been doing Just you know I'll meet you here Okay come on Right Be safe You know so there was There was a leak that was floating around

YouTube last week They pretty much called that scene exactly So there was gonna be two opposing like herds Rick was going to lead them away. They said at the last minute, those saviors were going to come up on one side and corner him and actually shoot him. Oh.

And I was like, if he dies because the saviors shoot him, I will turn this TV off. I will destroy it and send the bill to AMC. But you just said that you would destroy it if it ends the way I said. There's multiple ways when this could happen. Name all the multiple ways on how you would destroy your TV. The list is long and distinguished on that, Max. And either way, I'm probably going to be sending AMC a bill.

And I'll know it when I see it. So when I see it, you... Name away. He dies that you won't destroy the TV. He would have to go out in a blaze of glory, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Commando, you know, taken out like 5,000 walkers at once.

See, that's what I think. That's what I would have liked. That's what I would have liked. Something like that. I would have liked the, you know, at least maybe try to ride the horse through the herd and he's killing and then he ends, you know, something like that happened.

Single-handedly saves the entire. A stupid silver, high-o-silver, lone ranger horse tip him over. And for those of you that haven't seen it yet, the spoiler alert. Rick falls off the horse onto Rebar, okay? He's sticking through him. And he's laying there with two giant herds coming at him. So. Rick Grimes the powerful taken out by a rebar.

I know. And a horse. I know. It's very sad. Very sad. And there's no way he gets out of that. I'm sorry. I know that the Walking Dead rules means that he does.

I know that. And that's good. I'm okay with it, but I don't think he does. I think all we see next week is the Rick Grimes memories, and then we're right back to him on the rebar dead. Okay, so this is why you're wrong, but it's a good theory, but they've already showed promotional pictures of him walking away with the blood from his side coming down his leg.

Dreaming. No, like that's him dreaming. Actually walking away. No, he doesn't. He's going to get off, he's going to pull himself off. By the blood loss, he's going to make it back to the bridge. This is what I'm predicting. I think he's going to make it back to the bridge.

He's going to be hallucinating as he's walking back. Okay. He makes it back and then everybody comes together because Rick made it back and gives some last speech or whatever. The final Rick Rhymes speech. The final Rick Rhymes is the speech and they let the herd destroy the bridge, which he didn't want to happen. Right? They let the herd destroy the bridge and fall into the water, which he didn't want to happen because he wanted to save the bridge. And so they all have to, that will be the, that'll be the end, right?

So they have to. He's going to lead the herd back to the bridge. Right, because he doesn't want to. Yeah. Right, that was the whole point of leading, tried to get them away from the bridge, but he's going to have to. Yeah. To save his own life, or at least thinking he's going to save his own life,

and drive the herd into the water to save everybody else's life. You know, that's what sucks is, yeah, because, so everyone will still be at the bridge, right? Except for Maggie. She'll be the only one that won't be at the bridge. Oh, and Michone. She won't be there either. Oh, crap. Huh.

I would have assumed that they would have gotten everybody together for that final scene. Well, it's no problem. They just walkie-talkie, everybody. Get everybody involved. Relays. Everyone get the relays. Rick's about to die. Relay this.

Okay. Okay. Relay that. You know, one thing is, Andrew Lincoln, he's always said his favorite episode has been the pilot. of the show, the original episode. Right. And he said this season has an episode that, in his mind, rivals that spot for his favorite.

It had to be this one. Had to be this one. Yeah. Yeah. The dialogue was so on point. Like, I didn't even care that there wasn't a lot of action. I didn't really care. Because it was so good.

And there was enough action. And there was enough action. But there didn't have to be. Because usually when there's a lot of dialogue in these, I'm like, come on guys, let's do something interesting. But I totally didn't care, which is very rare for me on this. Here's the thing. Angela Kang has been amazing at screenwriting this.

Yeah. She's not writing this, is she? Well, she's the show director, I guess. She's not the director. The show runner. Yeah. But they're in charge of it. Yeah.

So, yeah, she's done a great job, no question. So, all right. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead. We could go on and on about this episode. You need to see it if you haven't. No question. Next week we'll be very, very telling on what to expect for the rest of the season. I'm really surprised we haven't milked it to midseason finale.

But, you know, oh well. Any last thoughts until the next week? AMC, prepare for a bill. The only way out of this. Are any of us prepared for next week? I don't know. I don't think so. So Pat Gray just walked in thinking that he can just walk in.

into the studio whenever the heck you want. Shut off. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. It's an okay show. Move on. But Rick is going to die. I don't care.

I haven't cared for three years. Die already. Thanks for listening.