Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Talking Fear S3 – Ep13 ‘This Land Is Your Land'

Episode Date: October 3, 2017

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Fear the Walking Dead. This is Talking Fear. Season 3, episode 13, this land is your land. This is Jeff Fisher, along with Jason Buttrill, giving you your weekly recap of Fear the Walking Dead. But first, and I mean needed this week, is just a little hit from the real Walking Dead. See what I mean? That just makes sense.

Put you in the right frame of mind. but then we have to go back to fear the Walking Dead. Jason. Yeah. Last week. What do you mean? We needed that little dose of Walking Dead. This wasn't the greatest episode ever.

What do you mean? I needed to hear the music of The Walking Dead. Oh, you weren't satisfied last night. You know, some of last night I was really satisfied. I was really satisfied. The ending credits? Was that? I was a hell of satisfied at that point.

week you said it was the greatest episode ever that they had done. Fear was on fire. I did not say you're on fire. The world is all in the right place. I never said any of that. Something like that. It was closed. The bar is very low, right?

We can agree on that. The bar is low. But I was impressed with the direction they were taken. There attempts to make it better, yeah. Right. You know? But, oh my gosh. All right.

So. before we get started on this land is your land we've been doing this podcast we do talking walking dead for I don't know several years now after each Monday after walking dead and then when they started up fear

three years ago or two and a half years ago something like that however long it's been we decided to do talking fear just because we needed something to do and felt it necessary and hoped for greatness from fear the way that it was presented to us us. One of our producers

here at the Blaze Radio Network, Ellie Meyer, was talking to us just before we started recording this podcast and letting us know that because of this podcast, she started watching fear. Now, she didn't just jump in. Being the

smart human being she is, she went back to number one. And she's now going through them. What episode are you on, Ellie? I'm on Season 1, episode 4. Okay.

So it still had, in our minds, at that point, I believe we still thought it had some potential. Absolutely. A whole bunch of potential. Yep. And of course, you're listening to our podcast that we did after each one of those episodes after you get done viewing those episodes, right, Ellie? Oh, of course. That's what got me interested in the first place.

So what do you think so far? I think it's really interesting. I get the whole apocalypse end of the world, whole thing with zombies, or I guess They're not zombies. They're walkers. Thank you. Are you a fan of the real Walking Dead? Yeah.

Okay, good. All right. Go on. I'm sorry. Oh, okay. Well, I guess it's that whole, like, the end of the world so you can kind of do whatever you want, but you can't because you still have the walkers to deal with. Right. So I guess my curiosity of it is since you're only seeing Atlanta right now.

I mean, I don't know how it is in the future. It's what? The fear is L.A. Oh, yeah. Right. I thought, well, it's in, then it started in Atlanta. The regular walking dead. Yeah, yeah.

Oh. Yeah, I see you're saying. So you were curious on what was going on the other, the rest of the world outside of Walking Dead show, which is in Atlanta. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. And so, and this has. It makes sense, yes.

Yeah. And so what happens to, like when you're in a large city, what happens when this zombie apocalypse breaks out in like a large city? Right. That's, right. So that sums up why we watched, started watching it. Absolutely. And you still get that feeling from. from season one episode four, right?

Like you're like, okay, cool. Yeah, we were still hoping. All right, thank you very much. I appreciate it, because it does make me sit better. And it makes you feel like, well, at that time, we were still hoping that there was

so many other directions they could go, right? We were still hoping for all of this. And then it was the boat. Yeah. If I remember right, that's when we were, right? We ended up with the boat. And that, yeah, and that's what we were like, come on, like, the whole point is in a city,

a major city. And you got, we got, you got like a tease of that in a few episodes. Remember when they went? And there was those warring gangs. And what city were they in? That's when they picked up Glenn. Remember that in that city?

And you were like, yeah, it's going to be that for, you know, every single season they're going to be doing that. And I was like, that's cool, man. But then they got in the boat. They went out into the ocean. And then they could still be in the ocean floating off with nothing going on as far as I'm concerned. I mean, it'd be the same thing.

Well, we pretty much wrote a great script for them on the island for a season. Yeah. I mean, even the island would have ignored. Yeah. So, okay, so now let's jump ahead to where we're at and where you're at. Season 3, episode 13, this land is your land. So they set up what could have been a crazy, cool episode this week. Like last episode, I was digging it.

I dug last week's episode. It was action-packed. The walkers were actually, like, headline, they were the headline. We lost Jake. We lost, not Jake, but, yeah, Jake. We lost Jake last week, right? Right, right. So there's, yeah, there's big characters dying.

You know, it's like it actually felt like a Walking Dead episode, I thought. Even though I didn't really give a crap about the characters, it still felt, it felt like, you know, the same type of stuff you would see in the Walking Dead. Just with characters you don't give a crap about. That's so bad. But then seven days later, this piece of junk. Oh, now the whole thing wasn't a piece of junk. I disagree with you about that. Okay, hold up.

I thought I really enjoyed the bunker. I hated it. I hated it. This is why. Okay, well, let me just put my number one gripe. Okay, and I wrote these out, four main gripes. Number one on my list is the Walker Horde. What's going on with them?

They barely showed them. They barely showed it. Like in the very beginning, okay, you had Nick and Troy. And they showed him briefly when he was going to, And that looks so stupid the way he shot that whole. That whole thing was dumb. Those two dingleberries and driving through the horse, then they get caught in the hell.

They had no plan whatsoever. I mean, they didn't look at it and try to devise some way to make the hoard go away or go away to the other direction. It was just like, well, we'll just drive through them and blow some stuff up. A brief distraction. Then we drive through the middle of them and get to that helicopter. I was like, what in the hell? heck is going on what that way right i mean that's kind of cool and they fired up the thing you know

the engines and it was cool and it would have been so great if they would have just ended up hugging and kissing each other inside the helicopter like they should have been we've been we've been waiting yes with the all the blades are on i love you but so did we say when the helicopter is a knocking don't come a knocking thank you thank you okay so did we see the horde ever again in the show. No, we did not. Why? No, we did not.

We just assumed that Madison and the gang got rid of them, right? They blew up the ranch and got through whatever was left to get to the bunker. So you took away the entire, the full setup, the excitement, you just took it away. You sure did. You were setting up for this huge, you know, massive, like rescue op and war with this horde. and he just completely took it away. And instead, my gripe number two on my list, why was the focus on running out of air in this freaking bunker

over the walkers trying to storm in and come get them? I don't care if they're running out of air. I don't care. That could be a subplot, but not the main plot. Well, it could have been both, actually. And I'll give you, I love the idea of, you're absolutely right, that the battle to get them out of there

should have been a focus of an episode. That's a strong, powerful battle to get that horde away from the ranch, away from the bunker, and be able to save those people. Huge story, right? And figure it out. Whether you watch them blow up all the gas reserves,

you watch them, you know, drive through them, get them in another direction, whatever, it's a huge part of the battle. Right. Well, okay, yeah. Well, in a Walking Dead episode, that would have been a subplot. That would have been going on, but all the action would have been, you know, like there had been zombies breaking the door down, you know, finding other ways inside that area.

Rick and the gang would be like fighting them off and it looks like they're all about to die. And I'm sorry, but the helicopter scene when they're just sitting in there, you know, like that doesn't count. That doesn't count for like. So again, it's, I wish, let's just look at this realistically. they ran they blew their budget on last week's episode they did not have the money to bring in extras and more cg i to make this a cool episode so what do you do you stick them all underground and you do this stupid subplot of oh yeah she has to kill all these you know people that got bit

and that entire time and the the only like thing to make your tents right uh tensions rise was when they're crawling around those ducks where you still don't see any walkers and it's just them crawling around in the dark. Stop it. All right, so. Right? Continue your list. Okay.

Number three on the list. Madison blows up the freaking fuel tanks, but you don't see it happening. Right. Right. That was part of the horde battle, right? That should have been part of the horde battle. Right. Yes, absolutely.

Agreed. We could have been like Walker parts. On top of which. That, I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to write their story for them, but they should have figured out a way to at least get as much fuel as they could possibly get before they blew it up to divert the walkers away from, yeah, away from the bunker, right? Because just blowing it up, now they're out of fuel. Yeah. I mean, I was smart thinking. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So, I mean, I, it's very disappointing. I grant you

that. Four. Four. All right. So this skips all the way to the end, but they split up again. I'm going to go down my list. That's when I tweeted, dumbest show ever or something. When I was like, I just threw my phone. I was like, oh, forget it. Let me put it when I wrote down. Of course, Alicia Bad was get us to like her and send her away.

It's unbelievable. They got us to like her. I mean, at least me anyway. I mean, I was okay with, I understood the struggle she was in, in the bunker. I grant you, maybe, you know, we could have done some other plots outside of that instead of focusing so much on that. But by focusing so much on that, it really did emphasize the struggle that she was under. But it made her turn into the badass that we were hoping she would be. And now she was saved and she's this badass, but she's going to go away.

already? Yeah. No. I know. No. I know. It's been this way for the past, this entire season and last season. It's, they just, they're, it's like the only plot vehicle they have is to split the group up and somehow later on try to give them back together.

I mean, the battle is going to be at the dam. They should all go to the dam and have the battle there. There's, that's going to be tremendous battle. Right. And even if, yeah, right, I agree. That is the better plot line. Even if they all decided to band together and go with Alicia. to this cabin that Troy had talked about.

What's his name? Jake or Jake. Even if they all decided to go there, at least you have the entire group together to do whatever is going on. I don't care if they're split up. I don't care to bring them back together. Yeah, I don't care.

I don't. Oh, no, we haven't seen Alicia in a while. The only reason that we care about Alicia is because Mom, Madison, look, was to keep her family together. so she even loses that again. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't make any sense.

So I completely agree with you. So they did make strides to her developing her and making you care about her a little bit. Right. Because, yeah, like I was someone tweeted, I had a tweet that showed a picture of her like in the first couple of episodes. And she looked so sweet and she was like riding a bicycle. And then they put right next to the picture of her covered in blood. And I was like, that's cool. Right.

It shows that she's made a big change. Right. And she's had to evolve. Yeah. And she's not the puss that her mother always makes her out to be. And she's stepping up. Her and her brother, we've looked at it last week, where her and her brother were starting to at least it appeared to realize that,

hey, we've been through the struggle with mom and dad and all of this, and this didn't really happen and this really didn't happen. But we're together and we're going to be the badasses together. Yeah. We'll take the bull by the horn is going to be us. Yeah. We're going to break them up again? I know.

I just doesn't, I don't get it. I don't either. I don't get it. I really don't. And it's just, I literally think that they don't, they just don't know what to do. And the only way they can think of having something interesting is to break them up. Continue to break them up and have them doing these two separate stories and they'll bring them together. Then they'll break them back up.

And it's like, oh, man, I'm just, I don't know. I mean, Alicia hasn't even come close. And neither has Madison really. I mean, I think she's my least favorite, the mom. Madison? I'm hoping that maybe Walker will just say have enough. You know what? We're done with you, Dad.

I'll be okay with that. Yeah. But the battle at the dam, that's the next big battle. And that could be cool. That could be really cool. They should all be together with that. That's going to be the choice of who Daniel is going to go with. It's going to be reuniting with his daughter.

It's going to be the battle for water. It's going to be the battle for against the people who think they own the water and the people who want the water and the walkers. Hopefully, they haven't featured the walkers hardly at all over there. Right. That's my one biggest concern. What's over there is mostly people that want water, right, who rode up forever. And see, I'm just not interested in that hardly. I'm interested in that as a subplot.

Okay. Right. But inside the dam, though, that battle is strong because the worst thing that's going to happen is somebody's going to blow up that dam. Right, the end is blowing up the dam and everybody drowns, the walkers drown, and our group lives, but we've got to find water. Right, I mean, that's the end. That should be the end of the season or the beginning of whatever. How many episodes are there? Are we not almost done?

Yeah, we are. Because this is 13 and the Walking Dead starts on the 22nd, or the 21st, right? Yeah, so. So we've got two more? So we have one or two more? Three more weeks. Oh, so I guess that's part. I bet you we'll have two more and then.

And then the get-ahead preview of what's coming up for what's coming up for the Walking Dead. Yeah. And then it actually launches. So yeah, that makes sense. So two. Yeah, it does. Let me see this. But yeah, I don't, man.

I don't know. I don't know why. Yeah, 15 is the last one. So two more. Okay. Yeah, two more. October 8th and October 15th. Yeah.

I mean, they walk it right up. there's no middle week, right? So you got the, you got this one, you got next week, and you get the 15th, and then the 21st is the walking dead. Wow. Wow, once you describe it like that, it makes it sound like it's not that far away. That's not. That's dope.

I know. I know. It's going to be, I'm excited. I'm excited for the walking dead. And, Jeff, you know, one of the good things about fear, and, you know, you keep bad mouth of it. And I'm getting sick of hearing it, to be honest with you. I'm getting sick of you and all your little cohorts.

Sick of it, okay? Because according to this article, Fear the Walking Dead fans say show is now better than the original after latest dramatic episode. Hands down, the best episode to date. Shut up. Hands down. Just shut up.

Come on. Hands down. I don't. And the article goes on. I don't. I think, I don't even know how to respond to that. And unless it's like producers that work for, AMC or something or just having these people write these articles.

And you know what I'm saying? Yes. I can't even. There's not even a scenario where it even gets close to the Walking Dead. Not even close. No, it's not. It's not even close. And it has to be, right?

This has got to be inside fans. Inside the group fans of saying better than the original. I saw, I was reading one article or a guy wrote this, where he was saying that he said, the Walking Dead are superheroes, or show about superheroes within this zombie apocalypse. And fear is about normal people within the zombie apocalypse. Well, who wants to watch a show just about regular people? I've got a bunch of home videotapes of my family that I could watch

that have a bunch of boring normal people. And trust me, if you've seen his mother-in-law, you know it's fear. Just kidding, Jason's wife, just kidding. Right. 100% agree. That does not make for a good show. And the point was we were supposed to see how this group of people dealt with the beginning of the apocalypse.

We are so far beyond that, it's pathetic. We've lost that. Yeah, I keep saying it, but the only way they can redeem themselves if they drop this stupid crap and somehow they go back to L.A. That, I mean, really, that would make an interesting season. I want to get back home. Yeah, let's go, they go back home. They go back to the same

neighborhood, see what happened, and then all the different like tribal, really things that have showed up, you know, like, I'm still crazy interested in what's going on in Los Angeles. I am too. Like New York City? That's a really good idea. That's a really good idea. But they won't because they can't afford it. Season four. We know. Back home. They, they want to work on that title. What do you mean? What's wrong with back home? Are you writing these, uh, fear? It's possible.

It's possible? Okay, what about travel back home? That's why you're taking this criticism of the episode so seriously. It was just a title. I don't know what I did. We cracked it. Well, all I know, I don't know who, I'm going to see who wrote this article. Where does come from?

This comes from. AMC.com? The MC, possibly? Paid for it by AMC. dot com. If you're the walking dead fan's show AMC, this is at AMC it might actually be.

No. Digitalspy.com. Digitalspy.com. Which could be AMC. So it's probably just a fanboy, I'm assuming. I don't know. Fans were quick to praise the character of Alicia Clark, Alicia Debden and Kerry, who truly

excelled in this episode. And did you know that she's Australian? Was she really? I heard her speaking. I thought it was like UK or something. No. She was talking last night she was on Talking Dead. And look, I'm talking about the work that she does on fear. I'm not talking about the way she looks at me.

I'm talking to Dad. It's embarrassing. Alicia. Alicia, stop. I'm married. Too obvious. I'm married. Come on.

Okay. Told you about that way. Stop looking at me like that. It's embarrassing for both of us. But then, you know, she's got the Australian accent, which I don't. mine, but it's just another non-American. Yeah. Pisses me off.

Oh, you have no idea. I was so destroyed when I found out the Rick character was Brit. I was like, what? You got to be kidding me, man. Come on. It's so bad. I got no problem with the elite with the elite character being like more of a centerpiece in the show. She's a little Miss hotness.

I know. And she could be a badass and let her be a badass. And she's a good actress. You know, she's good. I got no problem with that. And let her become. That's why I liked the Bunker episode with her because I thought, and obviously, once again, wrong,

thanks to the fear writers. But I thought we were building up a character to make us like them, to make us realize the struggles that they've gone through, to make us realize, because we've got a little bit of her, we've got her backstory. We've got her and Nick's backstory now.

So when they struggle to be good people but still have to be bad people, we like that. Yeah. Okay. We want them to move ahead. And there is no safe place anymore. And we've just got to live and let's have her struggle and be the badass.

Not, no. I've got to go away. I don't want to be here anymore around people. And yeah. And I liked some of the stuff that was going on in the episode. Like, but I just don't, that shouldn't have been the highlight of the episode. Like running out of air should not have been the main plot driver of that show. It should have been the walkers trying to get in.

That should have been. And running out of air was just a side thing that was happening. Well, the Walker's trying to get in. They can't, once those monster doors are closed, they can't get in that joint anyway. Don't keep making excuses for bad plot, Jeffie. Come on. You aren't really making a push for, are you re-upping your push to become a walker on the show? Have you taken a look at my new website, digitalspy.com?

It's all clear now. All right, we'll see you next week. This is Talking Fear on Theblaze.com slash radio. Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchrell. Maybe two weeks left. I mean, what's the best we can say? Two weeks left. I'll sign up for that.