Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - ‘Talking Fear’ S3:Ep9-10

Episode Date: September 12, 2017

‘Talking Fear’ S3:Ep9-10 with Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill Twitter: @JeffyMRAFacebook: Jeff Fisher RadioInstagram: @jeffymra Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Talking fear. That's exactly right. Welcome back. And that's what we do. We will be talking fear, the Walking Dead. Minotaur and the Diviner, season three, episodes nine and ten were last night. Myself, Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill here for Talking Fear. And, you know, because the theme music of Walking Dead inspires us, we're going to play that instead of, well, you know, anything else.

So, here you go. See, that makes everything better hearing that. Return of Fear. Season 3, episodes 9 and 10. Are you less bored today than you were last night? Oh my gosh, Jeffie. You did not give me good vibes when I'm watching the cowboys tear up the giants. And then I actually completely forgot that this was going down.

I completely forgot. And then you sent that text. And I was like, crap, that's right. So I looked over just really quick during a commercial, you know, during like a, during a commercial and I saw it was two hours long. Yeah. I was like, huh, this might actually be good.

Yeah. Especially since the first half of the season, when we, you know, when we went away at the break, we had been really singing its praises. Only you and I. Everybody else was like dogging it. Right. And yeah, we were the only voices that were. That changed last night.

Sure did a lot. Oh my gosh. I could not get through this. They went a long way to get to nothing. So we knew that at the end of last season, we knew that the whole thing was going to be, you know, their reproachment or however you want to describe it. You know, the Cowboys and Indians were coming together.

Of course. And that was going to be the theme. But I, okay, I'm sorry, but what happened to the second half the title of this freaking show, The Walking Dead. You know, there's fear. Then there's the Walking Dead. So it seems like they've just kind of skipped or left off the Walking Dead portion.

Absolutely have. Fear of what, whatever random thing we want to have on the show. Anything but zombies and walkers. The Farmer's Market. I mean, it's unbelievable. Fear running out of water. Right. Of course we're fearing run out of water.

Which is this entire episode basically was getting to. Which is just, oh, we don't have water. We're preppers that somehow never realized that we should prep for water. Right? And all that. Because we've got wells. Oh, okay. Wells never run dry ever.

I found it. I mean, I guess maybe we should just break it down to maybe the characters and then we'll, I don't know. I don't know what to do with it because, a. One of my favorite tweets last night was when Madison had, what's his face, the boy, the son, and I wanted her to kill him. Oh, Troy. Troy. I said, just kill him already. Yeah.

You know, let's go. Get it over with. And then I was reminded by another fear of the Walking Dead viewer follower. that don't you mean that I had it backwards when I said Madison, just shoot him already. Don't you mean just shoot Madison already? Yeah, Troy, just get rid of, put her out of her misery.

And I thought, yes, yes, that's exactly what I mean. I apologize. Okay, he's in the same wavelength we are. Yes, oh, yes, yes. He was, I mean, it was, and if I could find the tweet, I'd tell you his Twitter handle, but it was a don't expect too much out of me okay don't push me the uh it's been a long day already the uh as a matter of fact just between you and me it's been a long month yeah and it's

only day seven eight nine ten something like oh wait today's the 11th what am i thinking of it's only been on it's been 11 days in this month and it's been a long month so back off me i feel you um anyway so so he's on the i mean we've we've been got plenty of people on our side Madison you know please go away and she really she really is not good no I just don't I don't get

it I don't get what they everybody is ranting and raving and loving her at least the Hollywood types and I just I don't get it so yeah they're obviously setting her up as the fearless leader I mean right she when she sat down at old Jeremiah's desk

you know what I mean and like there was this one this quick little scene where It almost looked like she was kind of looking comfortable for a second. Then she started looking through. Yeah, looking for those maps that she would find that, I guess that was the maps of the other communities or whatever. Yeah, I get what they're doing. The problem is that I just literally do,

I care less after yesterday's two freaking hour episode about these characters than I did before. That shouldn't happen after 120 minutes of content. And you know who I care about? I care about finding Travis' dead body. That's about the only thing I care about now. That would be a good storyline. Right.

I would watch that episode. Yes. I want Travis to be a Walker. I want Travis just to be his head and still be alive. Oh, I'm still calling. He is coming back. I think that he has to, right? I mean, something needs to save them at some, at this point.

I just don't know what will. I think that maybe, we think that Walker killed him, right, because of the helicopter and stuff, right? In the crash, I guess, even though his body was never seen. That's what I'm saying. Right. Wouldn't that that would that would have been a huge like emotional moment for Madison. So they go there, they find the helicopter, they find all the bodies involved, but his. But his.

I see what you're doing. Come on. So I think that I think I'm going to call that Walker has him. And he's using him. He's using him as a little safety net. That's a good theory. A little safety that. You know, he has, you know, we brought him down.

And then he didn't know who he was at first. but once he found out okay he's like no way does he bring him out we're gonna have to write this one down this is on this is Enid level the I you don't it's on that level this is another one our predictions he does I think he pulls him out we need a board back here of our wild walking dead theories get your own chalkboard they're gonna get like Alex Jones level pretty soon I guarantee our chalkboards be more entertaining than the show. I agree.

And so I'm just going to call that right now. I believe he has him. And he's going to pull him out at the needed time. I'm really surprised they jump to all of that so soon. So like, I knew that Troy was going to be an issue. I just didn't know that within the first episode they were going to jump there that fast. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Just instantly, he's grabbing a gun and, you know, you know, you know, grabbing Nick and they're doing this like young guns at the end of young guns. I don't know why those two just don't fall in love and run away. I kind of thought that actually might happen, really. I did too. I think why did, yeah, seriously. You know what it was? It was that when they got into that fight, that one night of the fire or whatever. And there was that awkward moment. Yeah. When they were on top of each other. I thought for sure they were going to kiss. I thought for sure they were going to kiss. And that weird maniacal laughing

afterwards. That would be perfect AMC having those to fall in love and run away. I just can't see where they're going. I really don't. And again, they're getting away from what is the purpose, the entire center of this show. And Madison, again, I don't want to beat up on Madison too much, but I will.

With her when she was out camping with my man Walker and do you have any children? She doesn't. He's trying to tell her like, let your kids be your kids and let them be adults and be their own people, you know? Oh, do you have any children? And he tells her a dog star.

Thanks for that excellent insight on life. Walker should have killed her right there. That's what he said. You know what? I still have your husband alive and I'm going to kill you now. What's sad is I wouldn't have cared. Right. I wouldn't have cared if he would have killed her.

I wouldn't have cared if Nick would have died with Troy in that shootout. I wouldn't have cared if Felicia would have died at any point. I just don't care. Who do we want? Who do? I would care about Daniel. Yep. We care about Daniel.

And he's coming back soon because part of what happened last night as they went into the trade bazaar of the, you know, the, whatever it was, I guess the tent city. Which in concept, I kind of thought that was a little bit cool because you just wonder like how life like. Oh, it has to be that way, right? Yeah. And you're going to end up with the mafia rulers. Right. This like barter society that's like, you know what reminded me of? Like Mad Max Beyond Thunder Dome.

Yeah. You know, where Tina Turner's all, yeah. Like, that's what I, that's what it reminded me of. And I was like, okay, that's kind of cool, you know. However, came together pretty fast, don't you think? Way too fast. Way too fast. I mean, yeah.

You think? Two hours was, yeah, you know, like, that was not enough time to tag. We're barely into the new world. And we've already got the mafia's leaning at a stadium. We've got the mafia running the, The damn. That's true. Because, yeah, this is a whole lot.

You know, I keep thinking about, like, this world as advanced as the real show is. Right. But, no, this is still. We're supposed to be way before then. Are we even a year into this at this point? It doesn't feel like it. I don't think so. Maybe we are time-wise.

Maybe we are, you know, as stretch out time-wise as far as they're concerned. If we are, it's still not. It's still way too. We went from L.A. to the island. I think we did this last season, too, because this, we went from L.A. to the island, right? We went to L.A. and then we went to Victor and the boat, the house. Then we went to the island, right?

And then we broke off the island and went down south to San Diego and then Mexico. And then we walked back across the border. We spent some time in Mexico and then came back across the border. And now we're playing between two borders because there are no more borders. And they are. And now they're going to be on their way back. across the border again, right? To the dam?

Because that's where she's going next. Right. The Food Bazaar city was on the other side, in Mexico, right? Oh, was that in Mexico? Maybe it was. I thought, I don't know. Okay. I mean, it's possible, Jason, and I don't know this.

It's possible that I didn't click back from the football game at times. It's possible that that happened. it's possible that I woke up real quick from being bored to tears and I went oh did I miss something no who cares so I may I miss something In a show like this

In this I don't know what you call it Not genre but in the Walking Dead universe Like you expect like if there was a two hour special For the Walking Dead You expect a huge payoff Towards the end Like there's going to be Negan crushing someone's head Or something big is going to happen at the end

They think bringing Victor back is, right? That was the payoff? I guess. I don't know. See, I thought their big payoff was the lesson learned where they like, oh, look, everyone's working together to find water. So let's not be violent. Oh, God, probably.

That's probably what they think too. Wasn't that the final scene? Yes. Where they're all going to get into a fight. And I was like, okay, I can watch this part. The one part where I perked up. I was like, yeah, who's going to die? Let's get his over with.

Somebody. Some bowling pins about to start dropping. I was like, here we go. And I was getting ready. And then, oh, you know. We've got to work together. Yeah, Nick stands up. And it's like a, everybody's awesome.

You know? I was like, what? Shut up. You know? Come on. And, you know, there's still, the kids are still, it's tough to be mom's favorite. Oh, my. I was disappointed.

I was a favorite. I tell you what, I, if they don't give them, back to the spirit of the show, which is zombie freaking apocalypse. Right. Not this. We've completely lost it. It's not even a, it's not even fear the walking dead anymore, really.

I mean, if it was ever, it was a lot closer back in, you know, season one. Yeah. It still sucked, but it was closer. It was even when we went to the island, it was closer. I mean, we were still fighting the dead there, right? I mean, that was the point. There was actually some cool scenes there. There were some great scenes.

And I personally, I mean, we've talked about it many times, but we could have done at least one, maybe two seasons on the island. I mean, oh my gosh. Oh, yeah. There was great stuff on there. There was great stuff to be had on that island. That's darned away. Yeah, it could have been like, and I hate to steal from the Walking Dead,

even though they do that a lot with plot points. But like, that could have been like the jail, you know, the prison or something like that. It could have been something like that. Well, that's fine. I mean, they're all, look, you're not going to do a show like this and have it be the same, you know, in the same party line and not repeat. some basic things that's fine I'll give them I'll give them a

I'll even cut them that little bit of a break if they did it right right well what they've essentially done now is they've even gone beyond Rick's story it's Rick where Rick is in the timeline they've been beyond that like they've gotten to the point

where walkers are not dangerous you know what I mean they don't care like whatever they're not even around have we even seen how we barely even saw them and maybe that's because we're in the desert right I mean maybe they're trying to use that an excuse because we were in the you know in prepper land but isn't there a problem there when they sold the idea on us on being in the middle of downtown freaking los angeles yeah they also yes

thank you they all yeah they sold that idea so now we're in the now we're in the middle of the desert right with the preppers with no walkers and in the beginning they sold it then we were going to see the beginnings of all this nah see i think brad was right when he was talking about how I think they didn't. It sure sounds good. They weren't as profitable as they thought. And then they're like, you know what? We don't have the money.

We're not selling as many ads or whatever. And we don't have the production ability to keep this in a major city. We just can't afford it. So let's throw them out on a boat until we figure out what to do with them. Okay, we can't keep them out at sea. Let's throw them out onto this, like, ranch for a little bit. Right. And maybe we can come up with some, you know.

Yeah, they did. But the main point behind what Brad was, saying is that it was part of the deal to have the second show with AMC and so nobody wanted to do it after they're putting so much time and energy

into the real deal that AMC said this is the deal we need the money we got to do the show we're going to provide the characters and so they just said okay well we'll just we'll make it as bad as we can and maybe they won't

want to keep going. And we, the fools that we are, Game of Thrones is done. We're waiting on Walkingden. Now, AMC has actually done this right. They've actually programmed it right. Yeah.

So they wait for Game of Thrones, which isn't theirs, but they still play off of that. Then they push off Walking Dead to, what, October 22nd is the premiere of season 8. God. October 22nd. So we still have, what, another 30, 40 days?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, today's the 11th, so almost 40 days. So they place it just right so that we, the fools that we are, are like, oh, my God, we need something. I need something. Game of Thrones is done. Walking down is done. All right, fear. All right, fear. and as a side note

normally I did in the past I didn't speak of Game of Thrones but I binged I tried to get you watch it for the longest time I binged all seven seasons the last two or three months dang man I went through all seven in about four weeks

it might even been shorter period there was a point there where I watched nothing else there was any any time I had that's what I watched. I mean, my kids, my kids, I've already, have already gave me a hard time about it.

How's God? How's God? Because all they saw on the screen was GOT. I had it paused there for three weeks, man. So whenever I had a spare minute, it was on. Now, would you be able to do that binge watch all the seasons of Fear the Walkin' Dead? No way.

I don't want to. I mean, if I hadn't watched any of them, I would start because it would be a, Walking Dead show, right? I would start it. I'm actually right now at a point where I could stop watching fear because I really, there's not a character I really care about. There's not one. The characters they don't want me to like, I like. Yeah. I mean, the characters they keep rammed down my throat, I don't. So I could stop watching fear and go back and just binge watch all of Walking Dead. Binge watched the first seven season of Walking Dead.

Oh, I've debated doing that a few times. I really should, actually. My son Maximus is all up to date on the things, but he's never watched the episode, so I could binge watch it with him, and he'd be all. I thought he was cleared. He was. There was some paperwork probably.

There was some sort of signature that didn't get signed. Something happened. They sent back the clearance. We're working on that right now. I'd tell you what. Don't push me. Don't push me. I don't want to trash this

this show really I don't it's hard not to yeah and and everyone that's listening to this knows that you and I were standing up for it in the first half of this year I was and I want them oh my gosh I mean I want them to be good

now hopefully and they were on a row a row I thought for like there was a few episodes I was like okay that's different yeah I'm trying to remember now I think that they started It was, they were two or three that were really good, right? And then maybe the last one wasn't.

I just don't remember how it went now because the least last night pushed me over another edge. There was the Salazar, Daniel Salazar episode where it was all in Spanish, which Brad was all. That was good. I liked it too. I did it too. I remember just the way they did it like in the beginning. Remember where he was like dragging himself? Yeah.

And the walkers were coming at it. So we got to know how he survived. Right. there was the danger of the walkers. You know what I mean? Oh my gosh. Oh my God. Crazy.

But then, I mean, we just come. There's none of that now. But they were on a role of doing that multiple times. I mean, that was, walkers were all over the place for like about three episodes, three or four episodes or something like that. Still a problem. Yeah, right. Yeah.

But now there's like, they're not even there. Like they've completely got that situation under control. They don't have to worry about it. And now it's like, you know what? The sad thing is that people are actually right. about this show saying that it's now surpassing the walking dead. Stop it. Seriously.

They're like, I think they're writing about it as if this like, oh, yeah, now this is real people and it's a big social experiment and it's all these other, it's blended families coming to live together and you know what I mean? And shut up. That's not why we watch this show. That is not why we watch this show. Not at all. Not at all.

I don't know. I just, I don't know how to defend it. right now. They just literally 120 minutes. And how many walkers did they show? I don't know. Did they show any? I mean, they were cleaning,

they were cleaning some area, right? Because I remember Troy saying, burn them, we don't want to contaminate the soil. Because we saw Nick killing someone, right? But I don't know if he was stabbing the heck out of what I assumed was a walker, but I didn't know.

Crap, I can't even remember now. It was the very beginning. If they showed some, it was a handful and it was a side portion to the story, not the main story. The main story, that should be the threat. Unless you have a Negan-style character that has risen up amongst that, and he's like, that's so compelling. You know what I mean?

But the Walker should, that's the only case that the Walker danger should take a back seat. And then we had, just for us, I had Daniel go out with the water mafia lady. Yeah. Right? And he tried to talk her enough, not going out. Yes, then she goes out, and then she gets dinged in the head with the rock, and we drag her off. I mean, Daniel, come on now. What are you doing?

So that's the next episode, right? What are you doing? So are we assuming that next episode Madison is going to link up with Daniel? I think we're going to take the whole episode of what's his face, Victor, taking them to get water at the dam. because Victor hasn't told Madison that it was Daniel that's in charge of the water. Yeah, yeah. I mean, okay, I know he's not really in charge of the water, but he is.

I still, like, I kind of like the Victor character. I can't say that I would be, I'd be all tore up if he got killed off, but he is to me one of the more interesting people on the show. Yeah, he is. And he survived this long. He survived this long. There's some depth there. There is some depth to his character because we know a little bit about his past.

Yeah. We know that Madison was a school teacher in California. Whoa. And that she was, wait, didn't we also find that out last first half of the season, that she was, was she abused or something like that? Oh yeah, yeah, the husband or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The crap out of her or something, right?

Right, right. Which is why we found out last night that Nick was the one who killed his dad, right? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's right. That's right, that's what made me become a chunky. Shut up. Shut up. So I think that's what we found out last night, right? So we have Victor taking them,

I'm not quite sure the Victor thing, but we'll go and find out that we've got, they're going to find out that Daniel's still alive, Madison. Daniel's going to find out his daughter still alive. I mean, there's another huge thing. They've got all the water. Right. And they're going to come back and find that they've fixed all these problems

because they're now working together, looking for well water on this ranch or whatever. You know what I mean? I'm just assuming that they're going to figure that. That situation is moving positive now. I don't know. Well, it's moving positive because we've banished some more of those evil racist bastards that won't get along with the Indians.

Oh, my gosh. So, you know, one of the most, I just almost forgot about this, one of the most ridiculous scenes in this show. And this is saying, that's saying a lot because there's a lot in this show. So Nick is in the hot box, you know, like sweating it out for his punishment. So then he starts, like hallucinating. Troy coming back to see him. I saw, yeah.

What the hell was that? Why? Literally, he like pops up like he's Willie Wonka. You know what I mean? Like all goofy, like, you know, coming up on him. Like he's on his cane and he's about to do like a little, you know, like a little somersault and pop up there. Yes. What the heck was that? And I would like to say, here, let me tell you what the heck it was.

But at that point about halfway through his hallucination is when I woke back up And I went, oh, he must be hallucinating in the hot box. And then I moved on. So I'm not quite sure. And I remember thinking, it's got to be a hallucination. So I'm not sure what that was about. I really do. Again, let's go back to let's just get them to fall in love and run away.

Yeah. I mean, let's just admit it. You guys, look, you're hallucinated about each other. You're in the metal box and all you can think of is him. Troy is out. hating Indians and thinking about Nick. Come on. Okay.

All right. Let's just face it. Write them off here in love. Let's move on. It's okay. It'll be all right. Even in the new world, we found love. Oh, my gosh.

I am about this close to give it up on this. I mean, I'm going to watch next weekend. I'm going just to see if they can somehow turn a corner. See if they can. But if it's another. one of these snore fests where again, they're concentrating on anything

else that doesn't really matter. Yeah, the reasons why we didn't, the reason why we started watching this show in the first place. If they're running to Daniel, it'll be worth it. I think so, yeah. It'll be more a worthy episode. If he's more involved. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be worthy, and they'll end it. The episode will be

worthy. They'll get to Daniel. They'll meet. They'll hug, they'll guess. And they'll find out about Ophelia. Right. They'll they'll yap about Victor yeah yeah yeah and then they'll the end will be either him finding about finding out about the daughter still alive or him deciding that look we're going to get you the water but don't tell her I'm alive and she's better off without me right you know what when I was looking through my DVR to start this up,

I also noticed they had a Walking Dead, what's the next season? Is it season eight? Yeah. So it had a Walking Dead season eight preview. Did you see that? Yes, and by the way, I will say this for fear. This is another AMC bonus. Okay, this is what they've done right with the show, is that it does make it worth sitting through fear to see the previews of the real Walking Dead.

I was thinking that last night as well. That was about the second one. There was one that came through it. I was like, well, I mean, that just made the show. That's fine. Did it show anything you hadn't seen? Um, that I hadn't seen, no, but I'm, um, kind of a weirdo that way too. I mean, I'm watching some of the, you know, the trailers immediately when they're released and little bits and pieces. It's called being a fanboy. Thanks for listening to Fear. My name is Jeff Fisher. That's Jason Betrell. Fear of the Walking Dead. Talking Fear. I guess. We'll see you next week. All right. got at least one more week of this, right? Right?

I guess so, man.