Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Talking Fear The End and Looking ahead to Dead The Beginning - 10/6/18

Episode Date: October 6, 2018

SEASON FOUR EPISODE SIXTEEN ( season finale ) TITLED:  I LOSE MYSELF   Jeff Fisher Joining me Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher THAT MAKES THIS ‘TALKING FEAR’  I final wrap up of Fear season four and a look ahead to Dead season nine on Sunday... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Blaze Radio Network On Demand Season 4, episode 16, the season finale, titled I Lose Myself. Yeah, the season finale. Jeff Fisher here, joining me, Jason Butchell and Maximus Fisher as usual. That makes this talking fear and a little dead. All right, welcome to it.

The IMDB description Morgan struggles to find the strength to help friends in dire need before it's too late. You know, I really wanted to like this episode. I really did. I really wanted to like this episode. And, you know, it started out with, you know, we finally got to see what happened to Al and she's struggling. And then some of the leaps of faith I'm supposed to have with this show is a little

disheartening. I mean, I know that, okay, amazingly, she found a Waki-Toki that had batteries and still worked. walkie-talkies are in abundance in this show they're everywhere everywhere they quite are and then she turned around and you know had a al-orgasm with the news truck which was kind of cool it was good to see that in the in the parking garage here's new camera now it was like you've got to be kidding me I mean I like that I did yeah whatever I was like come on the one thing that she would love to have in the post-apocalyptic world and she finds it you know while I don't know come on yeah Whatever. Well, I'll give it to you, but I was just like, it was Iroll. Then we have, um, we have Martha.

And the whole segment was Iral. Although I did like running for, but the setup, though, just showing her running from them, you know, getting away. That was cool. That was cool. I liked it. That's what you expect from a zombie show that scene. And then they had, uh, yes. I enjoyed watching it.

Then they had, then they had Martha have Jim on the, on the, on the, Right, and she's, you know, she's got the shotgun. Just shoot her. I don't get why we just don't, why we have such a hard time killing this lady. I thought the same thing. I was like, this could be over right now. Right now.

Just take care of it. I don't understand the struggle, but anyway. This is a woman that rigged up machine guns to a MRAP SWAT vehicle. I don't think that she's experienced enough. You know what I'm saying? She's blown people. way, obviously. Why would she hesitate at this moment? I think she wanted her story.

I don't know. She knew that how bad she was and she's already got the one guy on a stick. Those are the situations in dead world that you have to put an end to. You can't transform them. She doesn't want to transform them. She doesn't

want to transform them. She was just like, okay, I'll let you live. She would have probably said if she had a camera, hey, do you mind if I were filmed you and you tell me your story? Well, you were talking about it. She was just like, Morgan though on that it starts transforming right yeah I know that that again that that whole it was a good that was a good scene with John you had to admit it was a good scene with John just

well any scene with John is good I mean he yeah I mean let's let's be honest he's he's a powerful guy on that show and to to have him be a a smaller bit player is a mistake total mistake total I mean huge multiple lines we were like he stands out so much. It's stupid. It's like, it's like when they're on the verge of like when Darrell was emerged on the show. You know what I'm saying? And even still they do Darrell a disservice on, on, on walking dead. Yes. When they just kind of put him, like he's a major character. Like at this, even he was in the comic book, he's a major character. He's written well. He's interesting. The actor plays him very well. You highlight,

you make him a major part of the show. Now, my fear, and there was the actor that plays Dory, very good. The lines written for him, very good. Make him a bigger part of the show. I think they're planning on doing that next season. I wouldn't hold my breath. I wouldn't either because they're going to split up again. Oh, agonizing.

They drove, I mean, look to me. And I know I'm jumping ahead to the end of the season finale, but it looked to me at the end of the season as we had into next season, that they were splitting up again. right because they were pulling out and people were left behind no no no no okay okay they were convinced me good point they were heading into polar bears dena old denim factory to clear it right yeah yeah that's the way i took it as well okay all right yeah no but when they but when so when Morgan rides in or yeah what was the point where they were all together and he was

going to go back to to save what's her name right and Morgan is standing guard and he's a member that night and Dory comes out to him and yes yeah he's like I know what you're thinking I'm like why in what world is that another good idea to split up again I know Morgan for the love of God I mean, I just almost like, I almost turn the TV off at that point. I was like, I just, I give up. Yeah. Well, he's like, yeah, I'm leaving again. I'm going to go split everybody up.

The only reason he said that he wanted to help her was because he was her at a point, his words. Who cares? Thank you. Who the heck cares? I mean, I was her. Yep. I was her. She has no idea of how to transform.

Got to kill her. I'm sorry. Yeah, but in reality, but yeah, it was her. Sucks to be her. Screw that. We're moving on. Right. She didn't want to listen to me. We were moving on.

That was the point in every horror movie where like the dude or chick goes, yeah, I'm going to go into that scary building and look around, you know. Because, you know, then you hear that, ch, ch, ch, ah, ah, ah. You're like, no, don't you know what's about to happen. You know better. All of us knew that he was going to go, something bad was going to happen to him and something bad was going to happen to the group. So if we know this, how does the, how does the case characters not understand this by now? Even John was like, there, like his whole analogy with the fish thing was pretty good. Yes, it was.

Again, another great scene with John. Then he does the, you know, the love scene with this girl and the, I know you, and the sunshine. I mean, that's good luck. Yeah. And then after the, when they're sitting there drinking beer, he's getting the little girl about being 21. That was funny. That was good. Just don't get a poison to get until you're 21.

Right. I mean, that was funny. That was good. That was a good line, right? He's an ex-cop and he's kind of daddish. You know, of course you're going to say that. I thought that was just like, it was a one-time deal. Yeah, but I mean, I thought that was a good deal.

And so there's three right there stand alone with Dory. You know, let's bring. He definitely has to spend more. And then the split-up thing. Okay, so. Well, the only one to really split up was Morgan and everyone else. Morgan. Okay, that's a split up.

Morgan left, comes back, leaves again, comes back. Okay. Now, seriously, I mean, that's what happened, right? He left. He goes, talks to, watch your face, and says, mile marker 54. I mean, there's only one of those in the great state of Texas. Only one, yeah. There's no other, there's no other 54 of the great state of Texas.

So easy to pinpoint location. So he walks there. They come back. They're driving back. They crash. Because of her. He attaches her to the car, walks to the truck stop, saves them, walks back to the police car to kill her. Okay.

And this happened in, I don't know if people know this, but there's a thing called states. And there's Texas, Arkansas, then Mississippi, right? I mean, I was looking at the map. I'm just trying to think of the map. No, no. We're going to Mississippi. Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas. So there's one state in between those two.

And then you're talking going into Texas, which is basically like going through another frigging state because this is a huge state. Oh, my gosh. So what you're laying down with is the most ridiculous timeline for a single episode. They didn't even really make it seem like days were passing. They did that like once during the whole montage of Morgan's feet. You could kind of see like that it was dark at one point, so at least took them over two days.

Oh, come on. To drive would take you two days. This is ridiculous. He was walking. It would take weeks to do what he pulled off. He was walking. With a hole in his leg. Yeah, because of the pike that got stuck because of the crash.

This, I could not, I'm sorry. I could not suspend my disbelief enough to take this episode seriously. I mean, you have to, though. What did you think about? That's what they're forcing. We find out that we, she wasn't just putting. That was ridiculous. No, she wasn't just putting dirty water into the,

the water. She was actually putting antifreeze in the water. Yeah, and we saw her doing that before, but we thought it was dirty water. We didn't know it was antifreeze. Well, she was poisoning it. I mean, we didn't know specifically what it was, but we knew that she was making it so

that people would get sick. Yeah. As soon as everyone started getting sick again, I was like, it's the water, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and she had been there, and you know, that's the kind of freak she is, and we still had trouble killing her. I don't understand. Can we just get back? I'm sorry. Can we get back on to how stupid that was?

Sure. Can I? I just can't. Like, I know. We were flooding our texts like when we were doing this. Yes. For one, you mentioned the Mile Marker 54, which they're making it seem like it's like a place on a, like a place on a map. You know, like Austin or the Alamo. You know? Yeah, just head to Mile Speaker 54.

Everyone knows right. There's a big statue. Mile Marker 54. statue. Well, they had been there before, right? That was the title of one of the shows two or three episodes ago, M.M. 54, right? So they had been. Was it the same mile marker?

I think so. Yeah, that's where they crashed, right? Or that's where her husband died. Yeah. Yeah. But again, mile markers are on every freaking freeway. And let's be honest. He's in somewhere between Texas and Mississippi, right?

And, uh, mile markers. Parker 54. Oh, okay. That'll be right there. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't be freaking out over this so much, but it was like, wait, they, they all talk, I mean, they, they do make a point of talking about, like, the importance of time in this show. Like, they do time jumps. They show how things change in these time jumps. You're looking at significant, I mean, especially when it's, it's so crucial that they make it back to, as Max was talking about, the poisoned group. Right. Like, time was of the essence. A group. But you cannot make it to Mississippi from Austin, Texas by walking and a little bit of driving in a couple of hours.

Well, I mean, look, he drove a police car and crashed. He got another car that just happened to start right up and drive for a while. Then he ran out of gas. And then he found a beer truck, which, by the way, what your face, couldn't find any beer for the polar bear dude. Yeah. An entire episode. Morgan found a truck. That's true.

I didn't think about that. That's funny. Do you realize what that truck was? I didn't even think about that. Time out. Do you realize what that truck was? Did you not catch it? The Smarty Ale or whatever it was?

That was from Jim's old brewery. Brewery, yeah. Oh, was it really? Yeah, even though even Sarah was like, you saved us again, Jimbo. Yeah, that's what she meant by that. That's funny. I thought that's what the truck was.

I thought that's why they made a point of showing the name of the ale on the truck. Yeah. How funny. That flew past me. That's hilarious. But it's just, Anyway, okay, so then we go to the blue gene place. We go to the denim place.

We're not going to stay there. I mean, we're going to stay there, and we're not going to go to Alexandria. I don't buy it. We were wrong. That's all I could say. We were wrong. You just stick with you or wrong. Because we were not wrong.

You really think they're actually going to go to Virginia now? I think they still are. I think they're going to find. And they'll get tired of eating denim. Something, right? I mean, something's got to happen. Because this is just the prison again. It's the exact same show.

You're in the middle of like the country, like in Virginia, and you've taken your little fort. How is this not different from Walking Dead? It's a carbon copy. It is exactly a carbon. They've even got characters, which we've pointed out, which where they've carbon copied the characters. Yeah.

So you literally, you can't keep doing this. So who strand from the original cast then? Who would strand be? Oh, well, but I don't know that. I could think about it and think about it. But the point is that the structure of the entire show. Yeah, the structure is similar. Is exactly the same.

And that's why I think they have to, they'll find a way to, they're going to have to leave. Because they all wanted to go to Virginia. That's what they were all sticking together for, to go to Virginia. and now Morgan's going to stick him in a denim factory? It makes no sense for the plot line of, hey, I've got this utopia in Virginia. Right. You want to plant that in anyone's head.

I know. Like, there's no reason to initiate that plot driver, McGuffin, as what we say in the writing realm. Oh, thank you for. No point to have that as your McGuffin. Because if he says it one more time, but it makes no point to do that unless it's like a T's, unless it's like a teaser,

foreshadowing, which is another writing term that we use, foreshadowing, you know, for later on. So, you know, we... You know,

right? Exactly, yeah. And we know that the way they're treating time with this is they couldn't make an entire season traveling to Alexandria because if they did,

based off of last night's episode, they could be there and maybe the first quarter of an episode. And the first 15 freaking minutes they'd make into Virginia of the season opener. So I was like, okay, we got to do something else.

The opening montage should just be state signs. Yeah, right. Zoop, zip, zip, zip. We're there. Nothing happened going there. We're good. So now we're going to get a full season, well, probably three quarters of a season of them at this denim factory. And then.

And still struggling with the thought of, how maybe we should still go to Virginia. Exactly. And then the last, what, two or three episodes, they get to Virginia. And the denim factory will. Burn down. And then merge shows. Yes. So I still think.

I think we're still, you know what? One thing I wanted to mention about Martha before we move on to dead. Mm-hmm. I think Wendell is the one who actually got the final blow. Think about it. It was him who shot her in the shoulder. Right.

And that's what ultimately killed her. That's what ultimately killed her. It didn't kill her immediately, but with the blood loss and the infection, and she didn't get it properly treated. or didn't take the pain killers. If you think about it, Wendell got the final blow. Well, good for him. Yeah, Morgan was the one who trapped her to the car and said,

I'm not going to, I'm not going to kill you, but I'm not going to let you hurt anybody when you turn. And he comes back and her arms ripped off. And I will say this, it's a good thing he got back while he did because she was busy walking down the street without the arm. And so had he not got back when he did, he wouldn't have found her.

And she would still be alive walking around as a walker. and we can't have that. So I was glad that he got back exactly what he did. Look, I know that we're supposed to suspend some reality. I mean, that's been the point of these shows. I get it. But don't make me at least a little believable. That's what makes it so good.

That's what makes those shows so good. That's what made, and I'm going to go back to dead now. But that's what made Rick Grimes so good is that, yes, we suspended reality. Of course, he's not going to bite the. guys throwed out in real life, but you could believe that it could actually happen. Right. And you believe that Rick finally, that was the last straw and he did it. And you were like, yes.

And you're not going to kill my boy. And you can't ask your audience to suspend disbelief that much. Like if you're like if the whole point is to say like time is of the essence and they're going to die unless you get there. But then you completely just make time not a thing. Exist. Time and distance doesn't even exist. Then there's no.

there's no tension. Like we all knew that he was just going to show up because he can teleport apparently. So like when they're dying and like falling over, like who cares? Because we know he's going to get there in time. Right. Because no one died.

Right. I mean, not one person died. And with that much of an illness, I'm guessing maybe the little kid dies. Even though, you know, I'm okay with her not dying right now a little. But somebody dies, right? I mean, somebody dies from that.

They have to. And not one person died that we, that, that, so what, we killed the witch. We all wanted her dead to begin with. Yeah. Kill someone. I mean, kill the Crip. Kill something. And that's another thing that makes Walking Dead so good is because you thought that

everybody was expendable. You know what I mean? Right. The same thing that made Game of Thrones popular. Right. And with this, that's, there's a reason why this formula works. Right. And you don't think with this new season, I think everyone's expendable again of dead.

Oh, I'm. Oh, well, I mean, they don't have to be because Rick's gone, right? I mean, they're going to milk that for as long as they can, which is going to be, you know, probably four episodes. It might be kind of callable because if you're losing Rick, you're losing Maggie, you know that they cannot lose Carol, they cannot lose Daryl. You know what I mean? Right.

They probably can't lose King. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Like, there's not enough A-list actors to, like, carry the show at that point. They might lose King. There's a chance we might lose Ezekiel. They're full because of the story that happens with the Whispers. And the guy they're bringing in to play the head of the Whispers.

Well, no, no, no, the second in command of the Whispers, uh, beta. Oh, don't get technical. There's alpha and then there's beta. You guys were talking about, are talking about, don't bogg us down with facts. Big guy with the beard. That's beta. Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, the two characters for the whisperers are pretty strong characters. So they might be, you know, fun to start taking over. And we also got Negan. I'm just guessing, right? Sure, but the bad guys don't drive the show. You know what I mean?

Maybe except Negan, except Negan maybe. And Nigan hasn't really driven the show either. And he has it. Look, we loved him. And I still dig his character. No question. and he's a big part of the comic books and everything. But the overall audience didn't like him.

Any chance he takes Rick's place? I mean, he's the one that he's the one that talks about them replacing him, right? So when Rick goes, if Maggie goes... Oh, his line in the preview of you're just setting it up for me. Yeah. Damn, they might actually be setting up for him to take Rick's place. I wouldn't mind that. I love Deegan.

Right. In the comic books, he's a great character. And in the show. I mean, I like his character in the show, but he is not really, I mean, the fans have not really been a big fan of him. Oh my God, that's what's happening. Yeah. You know what? Rick is going to leave a note exactly like Carl left him.

And Rick is going to be like, remember what Carl's, Carl's legacy. And that's what I'm passing on to you, Negan. Because Negan bought that. He did. He bought Carl's legacy. Remember because he was pissed when Carl was lying to him just to cover up. so they wouldn't attack the Alexandria. Yeah.

Because he bought it. Rick is going to have some huge self-sacrifice where he saves Negan's life or a bunch of people's life with Negan included or something like that. And somehow Daryl's going to reconcile allowing Negan to stay or, you know, step into a leadership role.

Yeah, Daryl wants them dead to. That's going to be tough, yeah. Daryl and Negan relationship is going to be a tough thing. Do you think Dwight's going to refer? Maybe we have, maybe we have Daryl and Maggie Darrell and Maggie say, we're going to take Hilltop

and you just leave us alone. We're not going to kill you, but you leave us alone. It'll taste something huge. Like maybe Negan's saving Maggie's baby or something like that that would change Daryl's mind. Or maybe saving Carol maybe or something.

I don't know. Something they're going to have to do. Something that they turns him on him a little bit. I tell you what, that would tempt me to stay on with this show in other. season actually. And if I'm thinking that, you know they're thinking that. Yes.

Because Jeffrey D. Morgan has the chops to carry the show. Yes, he does. They must be thinking that. And, you know, do you think Dwight's going to return? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's a good enough character for everyone to hate, right? Yeah, but he's not hateable, right? No, but I mean, Max, he's more of a good guy, right?

He's one of the guys that helped us only, you know, there's another guy that Daryl is, you know, still questioning his, his, his, uh, his reliability, you know, because, uh, in the end, I mean, they, while they let Daryl live, they still took his stuff. Yeah. He was still a negate guy. Yeah. You mean Dwight? Yeah.

You said, Daryl. I know. Daryl's going to have, we're going to have to struggle with him still wanting to let Dwight be a part of it. same as Negan. That's the struggle. And plus, they're going to make us want to,

I know we're going into dead here, so thank God. Fear is over. At least we can take a break from that for a while. Thank God. I appreciate you listening to talking fear slash dead. We're not going to be negative, I don't think, going forward.

The new dead starts this Sunday. Oh, gosh. I'm excited. I really am super excited. Those of you that haven't seen any of the previous episodes, I know this is not a promotion. It's an unpaid promotion for AMC,

but all week they're running every episode of Walking Dead for you, so just go ahead and DVR it. And then the new, you know, the season premiere is, is this Sunday, and I'm really excited about it. And then we'll have, we'll have this podcast again Monday. And don't forget, also, I know, when you saw this podcast jump up in your timeline, you were like, wait, that's not chewing the fat.

No, you get chewing. doing the fat Monday through Friday, okay? But you're still getting talking, walking dead on Monday morning. I know. You're welcome. So a quick recap from Fear Into Dead. Jason, your thoughts? I mean, we've covered pretty much what we think's going to happen now.

I think it's going to be, I think that's probably pretty close to right. I still think the goal is to merge shows. I think that what's interesting is that I did not know that fear was the number two AMC watched show. So that's still riding on that. But yeah, but I mean, I don't know. I still think that that's their, that's their direction. I think that they'll, they'll have a full season since they've already signed on to it,

to this denim factory, something catastrophic will happen. And then they'll, they've already set the foreshadowing has already been set in motion. So I think that they're still moving in that direction. And they'll, towards the, say, final quarter of next fear season, They'll start heading out to Alexandria. It's like the last ditch. We have nothing else. Maybe a couple people will die at that point.

I don't know. And they have to, right? And then they've lost, and then we've lost so many characters from Walking Dead. It just makes sense. Do you have any death predictions? So much star power.

They're going to need to add star power to the original show. Do we have any death predictions? Which works for a day. Like for this next season, other than Rick and Maggie, who do you guys think will die? Oh, man.

It's just, they can't, I mean, they're getting along those, they're kind of, they're getting predictable because they can't afford to lose too many big names, you know? I mean, they just can't. You know who I'm, I am expecting Alpha to die. That is one thing I am truly expecting. Which leads me back to the, uh, the new guy that you're calling second in command being in charge.

Like I said, originally. Thank you. Yes, he does become in charge once she died. Who? the guy that's well he's the second in command of the whispers oh the beta yeah yeah yeah beta I can't remember the guy's name

now off the top of my head what's his name in real life I don't know he's a big time actor you'll know who he is Opie from Sons of Anarchy he's awesome yes I mean he's been in it he plays these great these great characters he's a big guy and remember that

beta in the comic books is like 68 this monster guy right yeah so Ryan Hurst. Ryan Hurst, yes. You'll know who, when you see his face, you'll go, oh, yeah. Who's the girl playing Alpha? Now, they brought in another actress from the United Kingdom, I believe.

Surprise, surprise. We cannot have American actors in any show anymore, apparently. So. Give me a break. They, uh, really good. The UK doesn't do that. Like, they don't bring in a bunch of American actors a star in their, like Star Wars. I can barely watch Star Wars anymore because they're all British actors.

Get out of here with that. crap. Get out of here with that crap. You know, as a person who has, I don't know, viewed writers over the years, you have a lot of... Shut up. So who's the actress playing Alpha? I don't know. Some British chick.

I don't know. That's all we need to know. I'm fully expecting her to die, and I think I have a pretty good idea on who she dies by. by Negan. Yep. And Negan kills her in the comic books too, right? Yep, he goes up to her. They get into an argument.

Negan is winning the argument, and then Alpha looks at him, and then Negan cuts off her head. Nice. See, and again, that would be another thing to kind of cement his status as a leader of the new leader. Yes, it would. I think that's what's going to happen. I think so, too. All right, we're out of here. Listen, thank you very much for coming along for the ride.

We'll see you next week on Talking Dead, and I'll see you later this week every afternoon. Did you just say Talking Dead? No, I said Talking Dead. If I would have said Talking Dead, that's a talk show that nobody watches. They're even heard of that. I know. I mean, that's not a bad idea if someone wants to do a talk show right after the show. You've got to piggyback off of us.

Yeah, that's what you're going to do. It's Talking Walking Dead. Never mind what I said earlier. Thanks.