Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - TALKING WALKING DEAD S7 - Ep1 Season Premiere

Episode Date: October 24, 2016

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This is the Blaze Radio on demand. Season 7, episode 1, The Walking Dead. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. With myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, Sean Foster, joining us today, as Brad Stags, our normal co-host, out gallimanting in Hawaii somewhere and thinks that that's more important than doing this. Whatever. All right, so, man, let's first start out with,

You can go ahead and blink now. The episode is over. I found myself realizing, you know, the first opening scene was what we had seen before. Which pissed me off. I told you that's how they were going to start it, though. They were going to replay that whole thing. And who texted you bitching about it? And then, you know, and then we went away a little bit.

And it was really the first couple of segments were a little frustrated. frustrating, but then it picked up and went really dark and really good at the same time. I actually thought that they weren't going to show the death scene. I actually thought that. It felt that way. Yeah. Those first two segments. I mean, literally, because it started off that little three to four minute teaser that they showed.

Did you watch that, Sean? Yeah, I watched it. So, okay, so that three to four, that was the opening scene of this. So I was like, oh, my God, they did not, they're not going to do that to us and still not show the death scene. which actually going off of what we were just talking about before we went on air was actually if they would have done that they might have appeased a lot of the mainstream media people because that was all over the internet today. New York Times, Forbes, USA Today, they're all saying that they're not watching the show anymore

because it was like, how they characterize it? Torture porn, I believe is what they called. Oh, stop. Seriously. They're saying that it went too far. And I was like actually, I was just following my Twitter feed, like in between commercials. And like tons of people were saying, never watching this, can't believe it. How could you kill Glenn?

Really? Yeah, do you not watch the, or do you not read the comics? Obviously they don't. Obviously they don't. What do you think this show is about? Yeah, it's not a family show. You don't go to AMC to say, hey, family come around the table. Let's watch The Walking Dead.

Oh, it's Sunday night. It's time for walking dad. Come on, kids. No. No, you don't. I'll concede that I was not happy with some of the storytelling of last season about, you know, the cliffhangers that they were just constantly teasing us that, oh, is Glenn going to die now? Or, you know what I mean? Like, it was like they were constantly just, like, throwing this little bone, you know, almost like you're at a greyhound race or something like that, and making us chase it and not really reveal anything too heavy.

Right. That was last season. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't really know what to say about it. I'm going to be, I hope they learned from that and they don't do that. I'll give them a pass for the rest of this season. But really, what do you expect?

We knew this was going to be brutal. They have to build this bad guy, Negan, as, you know, a guy that you do not screw with. You've got to care that he's that much of an asshole. And they sent it up pretty good where he became the bad guy doing a, violence porn. And then he also, let's not forget, stopped Rick from cutting his son's arm off.

Oh my God, that was... Stopped him from doing that because, you know, he got the look he wanted to get. But of course, I mean, he was... He got what he was looking for without using the violence, just by threatening the violence. Which, you know, that's what's going to happen if you're trying to keep a bunch of...

of people in line as the boss. And I think Jeffrey Dean Morgan playing and pulling off that role in that episode was magnificent. I mean, if you watched Jeffrey Dean Morgan movie before, you're like, okay, this guy, how can he pull off Negan? Right.

But just you see the sociopath that he is from this one episode. I mean, there was moments where he's smiling in Rick's face. Like the scene where, like, when he said, get me to hatch it and he's smiling and he looks real serious

and he's like and he starts giggling like he comes out and shoots a machine gun kills us and zombies like I still want that hatchet because I'm going to kill somebody and it's on and off the way he goes psychotic or not

and it's just dark what's funny too is at the season finale last season is some people were saying oh we don't think that he can pull it off because he seemed too charming like he has too much charisma to play the role and I was like

and I guess I kind of kind of see what they were saying in that one. But after this episode, no. He definitely pulled it off. I mean, this, I mean, seriously, like, and what really drove at home was what you just said, the Carl thing. When he did that, I just wanted, I wanted to jump through the screen and kill that guy myself. But straight up. But Negan is charismatic, though. Like, the person, just because you're a sociopath, doesn't mean that you've got to be this dark evil where it's like gloom and doom. Like, you can be the sweet. You're telling me. But you could be, you know, you could smile some of his face and still kill them, and that's what he did.

That's, we saw that yesterday. I mean, last night, I watched it this morning, but we saw what he did. I mean, saw the arc of him go, poof, like the scene with Carl's hand, like you just said. Right. That really did it for me. Pretty amazing. I enjoyed it. I, uh, so just keeping tally here, we did call it as some, a lot of other people did actually as well.

Abraham no no well after we did yes thank you we knew Abe was gonna get it which I thought his death was very very fitting of Abe when he was like what did say suck my balls yeah that was his last word and I thought so too and of course I mean we did call it here I mean I because the phrase took it like a champ it had to be him yeah had to be it had to yeah the only thing we did that didn't happen that we called was him getting his hand chopped off which I actually thought they were gonna do They tease that so hard. You know what I thought?

At the end, I thought, okay, so I was at the point where I changed my, okay, he's not going to cut Carl's hand off. And then I thought at the very end, before he stopped him, I thought that he was just going to cut his own hand off, and that would suffice, that would ease Negan. You know what I mean? Say, there, I cut my own hand off. I'm not cutting my son's hand off.

I was expecting that all the way up until when I knew for sure. after they drove away, I was expecting it the entire time. Probably because I just didn't want it to happen, you know what I mean? But I was like, it's going to happen. You know, actually, I doubted for a second, just for a second, that Glenn was going to get killed because it was all winding down. You know what I mean? It was like, it was all winding down.

It was done. But then, of course, Daryl had to jump up and snack him in the face. I mean, literally, they got that close from getting away with just Abraham. But who would have cared? You know what I mean? If it just been, it would have been Abraham. It wouldn't have been that big of them. No, they had to go at least two.

And to be honest, after Glenn, I thought we were going to do one more for good measure. I thought we were going to make three. Yeah, and that's with Negan's character, the scene where he was cleaning the hatchet off, I thought in their van, I thought he was going to cut Rick's hand off. Same. Yeah. Yeah. We keep going to the point that can they afford to do this post-production with his arm

and can the show live on with how much money is going to cost for his arm to be gone. But with Nega's character, you're like, you don't know what to expect with him. So he's cleaning the hatchet of him. I'm like, oh boy, Rick's about to get it. His arm is, he's going to lose his arm. And then it went to Carl about to lose his arm, and you're still thinking, like, is he going to cut his own arm off?

Like, what, why am I to enter my seat right now for the season premiere? Right. I know. My biggest issue with how neat, I did not, I did not like how Negan was manhandling, Rick. We kind of talked about that before.

We talked a little bit about that. Yeah. In the, one of the, uh, season premiere episodes that we've done. I don't know that I like that either. I mean, he's like one of the toughest, he's one of the baddest asses in the land.

You know what I mean? Like, he's Rick Frickin Grimes. I mean, you don't toss him around like that. I just wish that they would have gave him a little bit more dignity. I mean, still, there was the one scene where he like pulled the hatchet and was just about to, you know, take Negan out. And he had that, you know, that look and it's been like, you know, that crazy Rick look.

Right. And that's why I was, I was happy. But then after that, where he's just like, throwing him around and basically having his way. I was like, you're probably saying that because the way you saw the scene play out. Think about in the sense of what Rick just saw. He saw two of his both,

two of his guys get their heads bashed in out of no, like there's nothing he could have done. And they have like, what, there were 30 guys around him. You're going to get manhandled. Like, you lost all courage. Like, he says, I'm going to kill you. But you just saw your friends get their heads crushed in.

You're going to get mad handled. Like, I would have pulled him the same way if I was Negan. I'd be like, you're coming with me. me because what are you going to do right now? I literally cracked two skulls open. That, dude, speaking of, I think bar none that was the most violent death I've seen on TV. On TV. Now, it rivals even in movies. You know, I can think of maybe a few movies where it just got nuts, but I don't think ever on TV that something like that's been shown. There's a lot of Korean films that Americans cannot watch. We're not talking about going to the movies on the back

of my sights. But on television, yes, it is, I think, one of the most intense scenes that we've seen. No question about that. Very intense. And there was a couple of great cinematography scenes where

Negan is carrying the bat and the skin and skull is hanging from the blue seal. That's one shot that was great. I mean, it was just... Okay, and so if you're someone that has a problem with this, and you didn't read the graphic novels

or see some of the images from it. That scene almost, you know, happened exactly. Not the Abraham part, but the Glenn part. Right. Almost exactly. Even where you saw like the dent, there was a dent in Glenn's head and then his eyeball sticking out,

that was taken directly out of the graphic novels. So literally, I mean, that's what I'm saying, like, what did you expect? This is exactly... Pain homage to comic book. Yeah, the script is being taken from the comic book. If you don't like the graphic novel, then don't watch the show, basically.

It's not trying to be something it's not. You know what I mean? That is the show. So, I don't know. That's my piece on that. I wanted to thank Walking Dead AMC once again for letting me hold my copy of Lucille during the episode. That was so cool.

As I cuddled it and watched the real Lucille do business, I knew that I had one that could do the same. Should the need ever arise? So thank you, Walking Dead. All right, so overall, the episode you thought, I understand, I really do, I understand there's going to be a lot of people. I already talked to one person today here at the studios that said they're going to stop watching now. Who? And I think that when my co-worker Pat Gray and Glenn Beck see these, they're going to stop watching now too.

Yeah. And I am not. By the way, I just want to be on record. You will still have the Talking Walking Dead podcast, if only with me on this broadcast. And let's make it clear. The show did exactly what it was supposed to do. It dragged up a bunch of emotions. People got crazy emotional on it.

They were doing their next day reaction. I highly, I bet you, 99% of them all come back and start watching next weekend. And we've got the, at the time of this recording, we don't have the full overnight numbers, but we do have some numbers. from a few municipalities, and one in particular, Orlando, was up 30% from the season finale. So the numbers are going to be astronomical.

I've never seen my Twitter feed was like people that I didn't even know watch the show. I mean, people in other countries were all tweeting about this. It was insane. Absolutely insane. Yeah, I don't think I can walk away from this show after seeing that episode and say,

hey, I'm done with it. Like, I got told you today, Jeffrey, I want to see what happens to Rick. I want to see what happens to his character now because this is the lowest that we've seen his character get. I mean, yes, his wife has died. Boy, that's for sure. This is the low.

Negan put him at the lowest point. Yeah, and you've seen him get to the point. Like, now this is what happens. Like, how long does it take the whole season? Does it take two seasons for Rick to get to being Rick Grimes that we know? I mean, you can't. Oh, I will be so pissed off at this season if it's, if we get sad to Rick the entire time. I don't know if I'll make it through the season if we have that again.

That was the lowest point I've been on watching Walking Dead. Sad Rick? Yeah, sad Rick in the prison. Oh, my God. There's a pig farmer and stuff. Then he's picking up the right, and he's getting phone calls from the wife. Yes. He lost his wife.

But still. But still, so what? You're right. But, okay, but if you. Look at your son trying to be. He lost his wife. Get over it. I'm not married.

I have a girlfriend. But, yes, it's sad. Oh, you're basically married. get off. I am married more than once. Get over it. But that is what Negan did basically. He tried to break him, and that's what he thinks he did. He tried to break him? Yeah. I think so, too. He's broken. He's not. This is Batman with his back broken by Kane. As a Rick fan, I will say that at least I hope he's not. Have you guys not read the graphic novels after this? I mean, yes, we know that he, the

The relationship between Negan and him changes because, you know, he gets revenge and he gets Nican to go to jail for a year. He gets religion. We got all that. I got it. Can I say what happens next? But how long does it last? It's not, he's not broken. Let's just put it that way. So in the graphic novel, and if you don't want to hear this, just turn down the radio right now. Or the whatever you're listening is on. But so Andrea is still alive in the graphic novel.

Andrea basically brings him back and, you know, kind of like focuses him. I wish she was still around, actually. I was bummed when she died. Yeah, I liked her too. She was kind of holding. Yeah. But, so did you guys see, like, the what happens is going to happen next, the spoilers for next? Yes. So, like, he's in the chapel in Alexandria.

And he's saying, look, I'm not the one in charge. Right. You know, just you have to get used to that. Negan is now in charge. He has that also in the comics, that exact same speech. What he, but it's a two-parter. So he does that speech to everyone. Then he goes right back outside and talks to his crew,

basically Michon all the inner circle and says all right now that's what I'm telling them this is what we're going to get ready to do so if they're sticking to the graphic novels we'll start heading out hopefully that happens I think we don't even see

these guys for at least two weeks next week is going to be all the kingdom you think so yeah I don't even think we see oh god you're right you need a break you need a break from them yeah I don't even think we may actually you might see them I don't know the beginning of the show may show them

pulling into Alexandria or something, all riding in the truck. But I don't think we get any, we don't get anything good from them for at least two weeks. We go to the kingdom. Yeah. And bring on King Ezekiel and the tiger and all the other zoo animals

and Carol and Morgan. Does Negan get his own episode? Do you think Negan, because we need to see more of Negan and how he rose to his power. Like we don't Okay, so this coming week we get, we get the kingdom, right? And the next week you at Negan, getting to know you,

and we know all about you. That would be a cool episode, actually, a flashback. And then we come back to Alexandria, right? Or even not even a flashback, just something. We don't know where they live, what they are. And actually, I think that would be a good flashback, because that's when we'll find out that our girl is the mole. Yeah, Enid.

Yeah. That's another one we're calling. Yeah. That hasn't been confirmed on anything, so that's totally ours. That's totally ours. And I'm telling you, I'm 100% right. Do you know that, John? Yeah, Jeffrey talked about it in the kitchen.

All right. He gave me his idea and now. Go home and think about this episode in this season. Last season watched it one more time to make sure he dotted his eyes across his tease. Right. But yeah, so the comic series, if you're following in the graphic novels again, is the title All Out War or Total War or something like that? Is that what it's called?

It's something like that. So just to kind of like give you a little hint on what's coming, lots and lots of blood. Yeah, I know. And that's why some of the people that that we know are going to not watch it anymore because they don't, you know, it's one thing that we get lots of blood with the walkers and trying to survive and about the,

it's still about the struggle of survival and keeping the humanity. It's just now we're struggling with humans instead of walkers. Right. And, you know, that's a struggle for a lot of I understand that. I don't agree with it. But I understand it.

And if you're pissed off that Glenn actually, you know, would die. You should be happy, actually. Because you don't want that feeling of there's protected characters. There's only two protected characters. That's all you want. You don't want more than Carl and Rick. You don't want any more than that. I mean, I've wanted a call to go away since season three.

So you can protect them what you want. I don't read like Carl that much. I see what you're saying, but I just don't think Rick has any reason to survive if Carl's not there. So I think that Rick would just completely go on. He has a little ass kicker. The little ass kicker. He's got the cure now. He's got the cure with him.

That's another one of Jeff. He's wild theories. I'm just telling you, that's going to turn out to be a fact that, by the way, those of you listening to this podcast, you're welcome. Did it Kirkman say that he's never going to reveal how the virus came about or if there's a solution to it? I don't know. Oh, I don't know that. believe he probably did. I think that even though he, if he, I think he'll hint at it.

And I think that, in my mind, he's hinted at it already with the baby. But that can go on another episode. That's fine, Sean. You know what, Sean? Listen, thanks for sitting in today. Sean Foster, thanks for sitting in. We'll give you a recap. Where do you think, a quick recap of how you felt about this premiere and where we're going

in this season. from Sean Foster. Quick recap. I thought it was, I think one of my favorite episode of Walking Dead compared to Herschel's death episode with the governor in that last battle scene. Where's it going to go from here? Who knows? You don't know.

You don't know. It's going to keep it away from the comics. As much as they follow the comics, they're still keeping it separate. Is he going to be very important right away? Is he not? Is Darrow going to be, like, what's going to happen with Darrow? Like is he just going to linger around in the world of Negan? Are you going to kill him off?

I know he's a fan favorite, but nobody's protected. You said this too. You just said Rick and Carl. So when's Dower going to bite the bucket if he is going to do that? So yeah, I think going further, I think we figure out this Negan character and just Rick coming back to who he is. I think it's going to take a season or half a season for Rick to get a grasp on reality because this is, this was intense. This is his soldier. It wasn't an extra person that he just recently met.

This is Glenn. He's been with Glenn since the first episode or second episode because that's when he rescued him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a long time. Where do you go from there? He said, like he said in the scene, he goes, we're his family as well. That's, that's it. I think it's going to take a half season for it to be Rick Grimes that we see again. Wow.

Yeah, I'm going to be so pissed if they take it. half a season. And we have Sad Rick for half a season. I'm hoping for the next time. I think you're probably right, Jeffrey. I think that they'll filibuster the hell out of the next couple of episodes. So I think we'll get a lot

of introduction to the kingdom. They want people to be able to take a little breath after this first one. Right. I think that Maggie will probably go to Hilltop, back to Hilltop. Because I believe that happened in the graphic novels too. And she... Well, she's still sick and pregnant. Right. And then, yeah, so she stays with

doctor over there and then she becomes more of a I think administrator over there but I think that I hope I hope that maybe two episodes from now we'll get that speech from Rick at the chapel and then we'll also get like towards the end of that episode him saying all right listen guys I said that there but this is what we're really doing you know we're getting some freaking payback that it better go that way but that's what I think that's going to happen and then we move into the total war scenario that would be that's too soon that would be a kickbutz yeah that's too He's done that speech to, we're going to tell these guys this, but when we come out of here, we're going to do it. Like, we've gotten that, we've gotten that Rick, like, Lida, Alexandria and come out and say, okay, so that's what we told them in here, but out here, I'm in charge, and I think it's too soon.

I think you have to let this play out. Like, this is Negan's character. This is what Woken Den has been waiting for is Negan and Ezekiel with the line, but they've been waiting for. It's a tiger. Tiger, sorry. They've been, yeah, it's a tiger, yeah. They've been waiting for Negan's character to come on. You can't just let it be half a season.

Half a way. He's got to be at least a full season of hardcore Nagan. And sad Rick? Oh, better not be. I'll be pissed. I'll be pissed. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening.