Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - ‘Talking Walking Dead’ S8 - Ep3 Monsters

Episode Date: November 6, 2017

Jeff Fisher; Brad Staggs, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher discuss the latest episode and take a look ahead at what the future may hold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Greetings, season eight, episode three of the Walking Dead, Monsters. Which means this is talking Walking Dead. Are you sure? My hearing now matches my voice. Am I the only one that didn't swallow a frog this morning or what? I didn't. He sounds sexy. All right, so we have Bradstacks.

Jason Butchrell. Yes, I dragged the sun along, Maximus Fisher. to join us today. Hello. And myself, Jeff Fisher, welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Okay, so without getting too deep, first impressions of episode three. Yeah, good. I'm enjoying all these, man.

I was a little, I don't know, it was anti-climactic, the triumphant return of Morales. I was expecting a little more from that. Yeah. But, yeah. So that ended kind of abruptly. Mm-hmm. And that was, how do you not get deep on this episode? It was all, it's a morality play now. Yeah, totally. The whole thing is a morality play. Yeah. And it's about who's doing the right thing and who's doing the wrong thing or what is right and what is wrong. What would you do in the situation? We get it.

Stop beating us over the head with it. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was a really good episode. But yeah, with all the who's right and wrong things, I don't know who to side with. I do. Yeah, I know who I'd side with in the... I think I'd side with Jesus, honestly. I know you would. And in the end, that's the side we need to be on, right?

Yes, of course. Absolutely. But in the war, the side to be on is kill them all. Yes. And just get, end it and then move on. In reality, yeah, that's what I mean, that's what you have to do because otherwise you're putting every one of the people on your team. At risk.

At risk. Yeah. You let one of them go and you are putting everybody else at risk. And we put the people in the mindset of war and kill them all. And then in the middle of that mindset, we're going to try to cut them off at the knees. I found that to be. and what you end up with is Morgan. Yeah.

You end up with Morgan who doesn't know which way is up, understandably. I mean, the guy has a conscience. And he put himself into the war mindset. Okay, fine. He didn't want to, but. Right. Right. He's gone through so many ups and downs.

He's a carol. Kill him all to back and forth, back and forth. He's gone from nice guy to crazy to pacifist, now to kill her. And now back to pacifist. Yeah. But he's probably the most realistic character. I think he's what the average person would be if they were thrust in that situation. Completely conflicting.

Yes, exactly, because we all think we would be badasses and we would go out shooting people. But the fact of the matter is, at some point you have to lay your head down on your pillow and think about what you've done during the day. And it has to get in there and mess up your mind. Yeah. I agree. And it's, I guess because just knowing what they've experienced. Like with having that in their entire core group lined up on their knees and watching the people I love the most Yeah, I don't know it's like to let that slide yeah

And savior the savior with the long hair the one who keeps walking next to Morgan? Oh my gosh first of all Oh my gosh first of all why is Morgan walking next to that putt yeah you know You should have just killed him yeah I know it's a TV show and I got we're projecting you know the evil and right and right and wrong and all our morality questions. I got it, but Morgan should have just put the walking stick through his neck and been done with it. Which I expected. Now what, Jesus. Right.

Here's what I said. After the second, after last episode and then during this episode, here's what I said. I don't care if the rest survives, take the rest of him as prisoners. Just let Morgan kill that one long-haired guy and we're done. Yeah. That one guy. Yeah, come on. But remember, it all started with Rick saying nobody has to die except for Negan.

No, that's how the whole thing Nobody has to die Except for Neda Don't start bringing up history And then it's everybody else to decide But Max you being the future of the country And the future of the world And the future of humanity

Oh God So what would you do? I mean would you Would you be on the side of them or what? I think I would be on Jesus' side Yeah Taking prisoners of them Now yes

So there's hope I told him to answer that way Or he'd be beaten when he got a Or you're going back into the hole, son, for 30 days. Max is too nice of a guy. It's too nice of a guy. It just shows us that there's some hope. Yes, there is.

There is a little bit of hope if there's more people that, you know, have a heart like Max does. Yes. And good luck with that. So there's no. So we're screwed. All right. So one of the things that happened in this episode that I found fascinating, well, before I get to that, Let's back up just a little bit and talk a little bit about

we were talked about what's right and wrong in the mindset. Darrell is definitely in the mindset of we're killing them all. He's just like, I don't care. We're killing them all. That was tremendous, and we got that with the, when Rick was trying to tell him it was Morales. I know, I don't care. He doesn't matter.

He was a lot. That was, I knew who it was. It don't matter. It don't matter one bit. It don't matter. It don't matter. Pull the arrow out. Yes.

And then Rick gave the one guy. his word and that was a heck of a hand shot. Well, yes, it was. That was a heck of a shot. Yeah, from that distance. Okay, I don't do a bit. I love Daryl's new revolver. Daryl's revolver he found with the scratches in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that thing. Is it a revolver?

Is it a revolver? It's a It's a okay. All right. And so he just put it right between the eyes. I mean, that was outstanding. That was outstanding. That has to be a signature weapon from now on. Screw the crossbow. You know, a man's word's got to mean something in today's world, right? Well,

And to be fair, Rick would have kept his word. Actually, Rick did keep his word. Yeah, it wasn't Rick who didn't keep his word. But boy, he shot Daryl. I looked and it killed, didn't he? It's like, oh, dude. Well, there was two of them, right? That's Morales and this guy that Rick's realizing that Daryl is in that mindset.

I kind of wish they would actually play it that way. Like Rick, just still being, you know, the bad A that he is, would have just said, I've given my word that I can't kill this guy. Daryl, kill this guy. Yeah. You know something like that would be. Right, right. Well, that would be Nican.

That would be Nican. That's Nguyen. I told him I couldn't kill him. Kill him. Yeah, exactly. Rick has plausible deniability. Yeah, absolutely. But I do like, I mean, that's another example of where Morgan was, and no one stopped Daryl, but they're trying, they stopped Morgan with the, we're in this mindset.

We're at war. Right. It don't matter. They're going to die. Right. And one great line in the episode from Morgan was, Because I know I'm not right, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. That doesn't make me wrong.

That was a great line. He's right. Yeah, he is. About not being wrong. Yeah, he is. And it was a good fight between Morgan and Jesus. Now. Oh, yeah, that was good.

That was a good fight. Yeah. Zombie Apocalypse's pay-per-view easily. They'd know about it. Yeah. It scored high. However, to play devil's advocate in this, they're taking the chicken way out of writing these episodes.

Because, I mean, this is a classic literary device. Those, the pacifists, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the just I'd throw that in the middle. If you, if you, if you could write it differently, right now, what would you do? Uh, I think, that's what I thought, that's what I thought. Yeah. Exactly. No, go ahead. Take it down one side of the other. Take it down one side of the other. it down, take it down the let's kill them all route because then you definitely have a, oh man, look where they're going, then have a twist. But right now you've got it going in three different directions. It gives, there's, I don't know, I guess I'm old and jaded, but it's, it's the, it's the classic, classic tale. True. Has it, has, a tale of two cities. Has any

backup, best of times, the worst of times. Has any backup, what? Has any backup character died yet? I'm kind of surprised. Eric. At the end. Yeah, they will. At the end, at the end, because Because when the king was saying everybody scatter. Well, that's because I told you the stupid king. You getting a little too cocky. That sequence was really good, by the way. That was really good. Because they showed like that sequence right before, like in the previews,

right before this episode started. Of him like going like, you know, like giving that shocked face and getting looking like he was getting ambushed. Yeah. I totally thought that something was going to happen there and he was getting screwed at that point. But then walking them through, I just loved how they shot that. They walked them through how they had the strategy, like Carol said. And that was just really good.

I just really like that. And I knew, though, and I mentioned it last week that he was leading them into an ambush. And I thought that was the slaughter. And he did. Yeah. We know now the guns that Rick and Daryl were looking for those 50 cows are there. Killing, they're going to wipe out the king. So we're going to.

Okay. I just now made that connection. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Really? Uh-huh. I have 50, well.

The only way I write it is, you know, I don't write things right down the middle. Right. I was a little upset at you guys when you were making fun of Ezekiel and the rest of the kingdom. I like the kingdom. I know. Max, I came home. I was listening to your podcast. You guys giving the king a hard time. Oh, my God. He necessarily gave him a hard time. Yeah, he's so cringeworthy.

I cannot watch it when he's doing it. Come on, he's giving the whole thing. These rogues that we are oppressing, you know, are standing against. But he doesn't know how else to do it. Remember, he's an actor. He's an actor. The king is an actor, and that's what he knows to do. And so he's playing the role he thinks a king would play in a situation like that.

But see, this is my issue. But men under those circumstances don't follow wannabe actors. They just don't. That's why it's not believable to me. He's a good fighter, though, too. But he's already the king. But remember, people when they die don't come back to life because of a thingy in the back of their brain. Says who?

Wait. Get the hell out of here, Fran. Again, again. You're about you going to say again. Get that hell out. And yet I smile. Okay. Point taken.

Okay. What about Aaron and Eric? Okay. If you're going to be the one asking the questions, go ahead. Because I got you. All right? You want to talk about Aaron and Eric? Fine.

I'm okay with them shoving their gay agenda down my throat. I got it. I got it. Really? I didn't really feel like it was... It's got to be in every show. I didn't feel like that was that in your face, really. The whole scene of 10 minutes of them saying goodbye by a tree in the middle of the apocalypse

isn't ramming it down my face? Do you know what I thought? Totally agree. The one thing I was thinking when they were doing that scene is the Mark Juan, Ross Mark Mark with the actor. There were no tears in his eyes. If you were really that, I mean, because I thought it started thinking, what if that was the person you love sitting there?

And I took it at face value. I mean, that would be tears in my eyes. He looked like he was acting. That was the one thing that got me. That's what that took me out of the situation. I've got no problem. Wait a minute. The other guy didn't.

He wasn't dead? No, but on top of which then we had that, on top of which then we had the, we had them both on talking dead. I mean, you know, the show that airs after. Not, I don't remember the name of it. The show that airs after walking out. They had them on there.

That show that we shall not be named. So, of course, more of them. That's more of AMC ramming it down our throats. I got it. I've been okay. I mean, he was a good character. It was fun. It was fun.

And, you know, I got all that. The good line from Daryl in that show that airs after Walking Dead when asked about how he felt about him dying goes, well, there's no more spaghetti. More spaghetti dinners. Which I thought was funny. Yeah. Because they had spaghetti dinners, right? Every time someone died, they'd have a spaghetti dinner for the actor, correct?

Is that what they were saying? No, or did he make spaghetti? No, he made spaghetti back at Alexandria. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It just wasn't like... It just wasn't a relationship that they... It just wasn't a big enough, like, character for them to be throwing that much fuss over.

I know. So it's like, why? Because it... Well, that's why. That's exactly why. And of course, we had... And they tried to make it into a big relationship because remember when he first went out,

he was Mr. Collecting License Plates for his beloved. And that's who he was collecting the license plates for. Why are you such a hater? You're just mad because no one collects license plates for you, aren't you? You know what? This goes back to your childhood. When you didn't get license plates as a child. You know, I have no.

Allow me to get slightly political here for a second. I don't mind if they did that. and it was real pivotal to the plot. And we really cared about those two characters that much. We care about Aaron. We only care about Air. Right. And just and barely.

I mean, it's not like he's one of the core guys. You know what I mean? No, but he is someone that we've grown to add to the fringe. To the B level? To the fringe, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. You guys want to nose up things. No higher than B.

No. No higher than B. Who Aaron gets with next? No. No. After this. No, I don't care because, because the king will be pissed and he's with the tiger.

Yes. Anyway. Although, and... Wait a minute. So, Max, this actually, this is following the comics? Yeah. Not right. Well, yes.

Eric did die in the comics. He died like that, though, didn't he? Yeah, he didn't die exactly like he did in the show, but he did die. He died instantly. They didn't have this Casablanca level dramatic scene. I mean, God with the

is, what I remember is they were actually fighting the saviors in Alexandria and then Eric got shot. Right, and died instantly, so there wasn't the time to take the bottle. I'm curious. Who does he check out with him?

Jesus. Yes. Oh! Aaron gets with Jesus. What? Aaron gets with Jesus in the comics. Who else would it be? Okay. Gregory?

I would like that better. Well, all right. Tell me which relationship would you like to seem less of the Eric and Aaron or Rick and Mishone Because both of them are just equally Whatever, just go whatever

I know it has been nice not having Mishone Yes Where she been anyway? See, they left her back at the house I know where she is but where's I mean They left her back at the house with the kids Where the females belong Right

She should be she's making spaghetti now She better learn how to make spaghetti If you learn how to make spaghetti you die All the girls have been missing in this Except for Tara. Tara, right? Oh, and Maggie. Maggie.

And Edd showed up again. And Edid is there. Edd is looking a little rough. Rough. Wait, I don't remember seeing. I thought she was looking smoking. Really?

Yeah. I don't remember seeing her in this episode. She was at the hillside with Maggie. He was standing behind Maggie. Top. Whatever. Hillside, the bowling alley. And Maggie wasn't fighting either.

She was just back at the hill. She was back at the... Maggie is 13 months pregnant. She's not. She's not 13 months pregnant. Max is trying. to convince me that this timeline is like 25-day time period. It is.

Really? From the start of season 7 to now, it's between, I believe, 25 days. Between 25 days and what? Says who? 25 days and 10 years? No, from the start of season 7 when Egan bashed in the brains to now is, I think, between, is 25 days around that time. So wait a second.

So Rick had his, his Wackadoo breakdown. Right. his cisification and his re-masculization in 25 days three weeks four weeks yes no that can't be that can't be right so he was only a big old push for two weeks is what we're saying two or three weeks yes so he had a two week about of depression and then jump right back yeah I just yeah that seems a little wow but that so but in and TV time that took over a month well over a month oh more than that took almost damn near half a season yeah well how long was this how was it is that how long how long is it how long is it how long is it take to get through. I think they never really did. And in all this time, what's her name? The kid, Judith is like she's in college now. Yeah.

I mean, that was my favorite tweet where the guy was like, wait, one damn man. Everybody, we're supposed to believe it's only been a couple of weeks and Edith is big enough to pay taxes. Wait, Ed. Or Judith. Judith is big enough to pay taxes. And Ed got hot. Yes.

According to you. I thought you looked great. I think you're alone in this. on that right now. Okay, first of all, first of all, dirtbag standing behind. Shut your sick mouth. You're killing me. First of all, she is still the traitor.

I am convinced more than ever that she's the traitor, especially just the way she was looking, standing behind Maggie. What's his face? was at the gate. And remember he said, he said at the gate. And by the way, I didn't tell him he already knew. Negan, he already knew about what was going on because he said he will, you know,

Enid. No, the Dingleberry from Hilltop. Gregory. Gregory. Gregory said that he didn't tell Negan. By the way, I didn't tell Nagan because he already knew. Maggie got sick right after Enid brought that. That's correct.

I'm telling you, she is the traitor. Brad, they're laying it down. You're not picking it up. What do you think of my theory that it's Father Gabriel? I am completely against that theory, because if that is, that'd be one of the biggest twists from the comics ever. Okay, you just solidified my theory then. Yeah, kind of.

Yeah, thank you. How? By just saying that, that'd be one of the biggest twists from the comic bugs. Because he's not the trade. in the comics right exactly so it'd be a good twist it'd be a very good twist so and I know nothing especially since I started saying it was either he had that already written and then Kirkman decided to change it because I already be called him out and we know they listen to the podcast they absolutely do and speaking to that I know that they've been

I know that they've been making the rounds on the crossover the fear all right crossover from walking dead and who's going to do it and what's going to do it and I know that one of the big ones is the one that people are now figuring out. You're welcome. Those of you listening to this podcast, because you must know that what we call here on this podcast comes true, that it will be our man. And that's just the way it is, the redhead monster.

Our man. Yeah, our man Abraham. Boom. Our man. Are you saying people are guessing? Are they saying that now? So nothing is confirmed. No.

All right. No, nothing confirmed. That's what the Morales thing caught me by surprise that he died so fast. Because they made kind of a big deal that he came back. And I was like, oh, they're going to get into how he met Abraham. Can you imagine being the actor when he gets the call? Hey, we want you to come back and be more. Cool.

He's like, yes, I'm in here. You met Negan. You never made it to Birmingham. Here's all three pages. We're going to pay a scale. Yeah. But we don't know how long it's going to last. Half an episode.

$1,500 you just made right there. Good luck. Go for it. Oh, we made more than 15 because now he can tour comic cons. That's true. Four years. So whose child is Gracie? Gracie's a real little baby.

Is that going to come in later on? I don't know, but Gracie is the child of the guy Rick impaled with the metal pole. My guess. Oh, in the first episode? Last episode. But now the good thing is that Rick now has his child and this new baby that are the cure. you're still on about that new babies

I believe that you're right on that I'm honestly don't know what to believe on that one that doesn't make up for AID that makes the most sense you're just wrong about AID it's Father Gabriel because we have not seen Father Gabriel and Negan I was surprised now yeah that's

I wasn't there letting that kind of simmer in the background yeah they are forget about it and then all of a sudden wham I expected to start if this is all right I mean this is all happening and the time is happening we're we've got three episodes in but it's really all happening at the same time yeah you know so Father Gabriel and Negan are busy still making out the trailer and we're busy with King Ezekiel getting well getting ready to get blown away from the 50 cows see this this that what they did in the last two

episodes I assumed was like a day later or something like that from the initial assault maybe even the same day so when we when we go back to Father Gabriel and and Negan, it's going to be back in time. Well, it has to be long enough for Gregory to get back to hilltop. Right. Oh, yeah, that's right. Which how long did it take him to get there? It can't be that far away.

It's like less than a day's drive. I mean, you're still thinking at least a day. But why would it be a day in a car? I mean, it's not like they can't go more than 20 miles an hour. And they should have never let him in when he shows up in Gabriel's car. I mean, even Maggie's. Yeah, but. I love that line Maggie said he's not worth killing.

Not yet. No doubt. And that's the point. You've got to have some. Wasn't it Jesus who said, we can't kill them. We can't set them free. I mean, that's the only thing left we can do is put them in a cage. Well, that's where Jesus is wrong.

We can kill them. I don't know. Those, those. Oh, boy. Here we go. Prisoners of war, I think you have to. Bingo. Yeah, that's what they are.

This is exactly like a P.O.W situation. Yeah, but these particular people, are the first round of Niganites. These people have to be killed. Are they worse than the Nazis? I mean, are they worse than... Are they? Yes.

But I would say that, like, you know, the guys that were calling the shots and, like, you know, the... The lieutenants. The documented douchebags, like that long-haired dude? Yes. Yes. Let's see you take an him out.

I don't know. Make an example of him. Everybody else would have been freaked out, then they'd take them to do, like, but you have to show that you have some compassion. Otherwise, those people... Those POWs will not, they will never come to your side. Yeah.

Yeah, they won't acquies. No question, but still there's a few of them that need to be killed. Yeah, I agree. Especially. And that's a good example to those other POWs is that you will be held accountable. Especially when we had the Walker roll, the rollers down the hill. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Which I were cool. They were cool. There's only three of them. I read something about there was only three stuntmen who did that and they rolled down the hill and then change clothes and rolled down the hill again. commenced puking yeah for the rest of the day that's hilarious the first thing I thought of was like a Walker family and the kids going they were called somebody called them rollers which I loved which I mean that's dope well the reason I think the reason they like Gregory and back into the hilltop because he didn't eat any

pancakes I love that line I just do I didn't eat your back okay what was that referring to the little girl well in It was just a throwaway line, I think. Yeah, but did he eat the one girl's pancakes, right? When was that? I don't know. Because I was trying to think, did I miss that scene? I completely missed that line.

No, wait, am I seen. Why did you miss that line? Busy looking at eating it. I do remember something at a breakfast table or something. He leaned over. He was like, you're going to eat those? Yeah. But when was that?

It was like last year. It was a long time. Anyway, so we're in the, we're in the, we're in the, the throes of all out war. We are. Now we've lost, we've lost, Morgan is going to stop it off

and a girl, the pregnant lady, what's her name? Kara. Tara? She's not pregnant anymore, though. I know, but she'd lose some baby women. She looks like it.

In the, we're in the middle of the war, okay? Oh no, I just thought of something. The ambush? What about Jerry? I know Jerry's going to die here. Better not.

Jerry's going to die here because he... We riot if Jerry dies. He's going to die here because he... Didn't they show him jumping on top of the king? I don't remember if they showed him in particular. They showed some people. They showed two or three guys jumping on top of the king. I couldn't tell if any of them were Jerry.

I would be so pissed of Jerry by the king, Jerry and the tiger. You know what? And if they make a deal of it, like if he doesn't just die, like, you know, at random, like, let's say Neegan kills him or something. Oh my God. I'll be pissed. I will be so... By the end of this season, those three will be dead.

My guess, the tiger will die by the end of this season. Jerry's a maybe. I hope not, but he's a maybe. Ezekiel's a must. He will not die. I know that. The king survives? The king survives the war.

And yet I smile. I don't think he does. Could we sew his mouth? I don't think he does. Yeah, he does. A spoiler alert, he does die later in the comic. Please. Do not mind the smell of my dreads.

You've got to give him credit, though. But like you were saying earlier, Jason, that's not what people. That's not what soldiers do. They don't follow. They're not soldiers. That's true. These are all guys. They are playing what they think are the role of soldiers following what they think is the role of a king.

Okay. Someone shows up here and there's some kind of catastrophe. Do you follow a guy talking like that? Hell no. I get behind you. That's all I got to do is find you and get behind you. I would become the king. Yeah.

Yeah. And we're not following you, bro. I got news for you. Jason's big enough to feel us all. No, you are. Let's give on, Jeff. A little more girth there. We're right behind you, Jeff, 100% of the way.

All the way. All the way. So, quick look ahead. We've got the king possibly going, what Jerry could possibly definitely go. I thought about that last night. He's definitely one of the ones that could go. Who else?

Tara maybe Tara maybe She's gonna wait until to get back I kind of hope not I like Terr's character I do honestly She's growing on me because she wants to kill everybody I'm okay with that kill them all She's she's got herself in a mindset

Of kill them all now too We have to by the end of this season Get down to a core group again The universe is expanded too big I think It's there's too many The Negan and his lieutenants And the Hilltop and the kingdom.

That doesn't go away. Ever? But they recede into the background as recurring characters, I would think. Kind of not, actually. Yeah, Brad, what do you know? Well, to sustain a television show, let me put it this way.

They're going to have to do something because there's going to have to be another antagonist. Yeah, there's going to be right. The whispers. And that could be, well. Right, they come up with the whispers. We haven't seen anybody, you know, who I want to see dead.

The junker. The scavengers. The trash lady needs to go away. They just disappeared. They just wet away. That doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. It makes no sense that they just disappear.

Which means they're going to pop up here shortly. Right. They're probably the ones behind the 50 cow. So, Dad. No, that was some of Negan's guys we saw there, right? So, Jeffie, do you still want, do you still want Jadis to die from her hanging from her toes? I want Jadis to die in the most horrific way possible. In fact, I want Jadis to be eaten by the tiger and then thrown up,

and eaten again and then thrown up and come up. back to life and eat again. Wow. Yeah, that's what I want from Jada. I thought you wanted her hanging by her toes

and then kill her. I'm okay with that too. And then make sure she turns and kill her again. Give her a blood transfusion, bring her back. I'm okay with that too. You know, I am so surprised

just in the last three episodes that we haven't seen a major setback. I know. It's getting me very nervous. This is going to be it. Well, that was the end. This episode is going to be it. It has to be.

The, you don't, humans, unprepared, do not fight 50 cows. I mean, you as a military guy know that. Oh, dude. I mean, those guns, I mean, those bullets will put holes through. Well, and Jeffrey.

That'll stop an entire battlefield. Right. The beaches of Grenada. I mean, you saw that, that. I don't really like to talk about it. I don't know why you've got to bring it up. Now we're having fun. We're talking a little bit of walking.

Last time someone brought that up, he stood up, screamed, and ran around the studio for like an hour and a half. I wanted to bring some of your real life experience into it. I'm sorry. I apologize. Wow. This has been talking, walking. dead. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening. Appreciate it. Thanks, Brett.