Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - 'Talking Walking Dead' S8 - Ep6

Episode Date: November 28, 2017

THE KING THE WIDOW AND RICK Jeff Fisher; Jason Butrill, Maximus Fisher and Missing Brad Staggs Discuss the latest episode. What the future may hold and who the crossover character is from Walking Dead to Fear The Walking Dead. All just a little strange... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Wow. Have we got a lot to discuss, but I need to get in the mood. Season 8, episode 6, the king, the widow, and Rick. That was the title of this last week's Walking Dead. This is Talking Walking Dead. The title is going to be the board, the board, and the board. Jason Buttrill, Maximus Fisher.

Brad Staggs apparently believes that, oh, I'm going to stay in Hawaii for another week. And the phone lines are broken or something. We can't be a part of the podcast while I'm on the beach taking pictures of birds. Brad's getting kind of spoiled. You know what I said? Yes. He's always in some crazy, like, beach location. Yes.

Like all the time. Good for him. You're not that important. Just stop it. I know. Thank you. Yes. Thank you.

Okay, so briefly quick thoughts of this last week before we get in depth into a few scenes that I've got to talk about. Yeah, I don't want my first reaction was to say it sucked, but maybe that's a little bit too harsh. That's why I went with bored. Yeah, it didn't suck. It was just like, yeah, it was just there's just so much going on for the rest of the season and the other episodes that this was more like a foreshadowing setting up episode. Yeah, but I feel like we've had a couple of those already, and this is only episode six? In this season? I don't know.

The other episodes have been pretty action-facts. Right. I mean, it's just, even the action in this episode was, like, lazy and not done well. Like, Carl, man. Like, why does he get his butt kicked out there? You know, like, that was just stupid. All right, we'll get back to that scene. Maxis.

Yeah. I actually thought it was a pretty cool episode. Now, was it the best so far? No. However, I like the slower pace of this episode. Sometimes you need a little bit of slower pace before you get full-blown forced first into a really fast-paced episode. So have you started accepting paychecks from Walking Dead? No, I have not.

The Carl scene. All right, let's go back to the Carl scene. Yeah. A, he is so much smarter than just be out there messing around with Araboy and in the woods and try to, you know, make a big deal about killing these walkers that are eating a horse he's better than that yeah well so max knows more about this guy but they're setting up an actual canon character sadik's in the comics yes he is cadiq is in the comics i didn't i didn't think that that was cadiq so that kind of took me by surprise uh but you know again the storyline i see them pushing here again is that whole what was what was his

reasoning again for killing the walkers because it was mom like he's giving them peace or something it would release their soul their souls yes right right Right. Okay, so more of that, you know, fru-frew mumbo jumbo crap. I mean, you know, whatever. But my biggest issue was like, I didn't have an issue with him introducing Sadiq. I was like, oh, okay, cool, Sadiq. But then like, but like he's walking out to like an amateur. It's like going out there like with his little knife. Didn't he have his gun out? And he almost gets his butt kicked, you know? I mean, he's like, come on, Carl. I liked his walker trap he had where the bag was hanging down. Yeah. Walker was just there. Like, yeah. Yeah, but they're both of maybe not. but Carl is way smarter than to mess with a few that are already eating on a horse and you start making noise that's what brings them around the others realize hey something's happening we got fresh meat instead of just leaving him be yeah there's no point in killing there was none yeah but even if it was just to prove how you know bad a you are dude you got your butt kick yeah he was like

walking up there like all like you know force recon you know like and i thought it was sneaking up there. I also thought it was kind of interesting. I mean, this is walking dead in AMC, but I thought it was interesting that even like one or two of the walkers that had their head buried in the horse, all of a sudden when they're walking up, they realize,

well, human. You smell human. No, you're zombie talk. Stop. Oh, what's over there? Stop.

They had their head buried in the horse. They're not smelling the. How many times have we seen the exact opposite happen? Right. Well, I guess they smell worse than the inside of a dead. dead horse. I didn't think about that. I didn't think about that.

Sadiq, man, take a shower, bro. Yeah, dude. Dang. Take it easy. Holy crap.

All right, we still got Pouty King messing with this, which is I'm over him too. Yeah. Okay. That was sad, though, man,

holding the chain. I kind of fell for him there. That was a sad scene. Oh my gosh. Holding the chain kind of, I was like, that sucks. So I don't like to see Pouty King,

so I'm fully on board with you there. But he's holding the chain. I was like, ah, man. So the chain. So the chain was poor little tiger. I want Ezekiel to come back soon. I really like his character.

I do. I don't. I just don't want to be pouty. You know, come back in some other form. Leave your Henry the 8th crap in the theater there. And he very well bite, right? He may because he said that that was just an act. So hopefully maybe Carol, although she's had enough of him about now too.

Maybe she could become the queen of the kingdom. No, I think that, I think King Ezekiel will, he can come back and be a strong character without Shakespeare. Mm-hmm. Right? Well, let's hope so. Let's hope to God. I actually want his Shakespeare stuff to at least retain a little bit. I love the stupid Shakespeare stuff.

Oh, you know what I like, though? My boy Jerry got his axe back. Yeah. Got a brand new axe, baby. I know he was looking good too. And I liked him when he's standing at the door. He was not going to be disturbed. But then he didn't do anything because he's like, screw it.

But the door was locked, right? She couldn't get in. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. The first time, it was. It wasn't. I rewatched it. She didn't try the doorknob.

Wait, what? I rewatched it. She just banged on the door. She didn't try the door knob. Oh, because the second time he said it's not locked. That's when she went in to see him the second time because she was going to shoot the door. And he was like, it's not locked. Yeah.

So, and I thought she had tried. She didn't. I rewatched it. She just banged the door. Oh, so she's the door. dummy. I like when Jerry said he told me to go not to do this anymore. I got nothing else. That's what I do. Jerry. Jerry, come on, man. Gotta love him, man. If anyone knows the actor of Jerry, could you please have him call into the show? That's our number here. Yeah, he's a good guy.

I love Jerry. Yeah. Weird how he's become one of my favorite characters in the show. Everyone loves Jerry. Kind of crazy. Now, let me, let's revert to a character that, uh, that I don't like. And I want dead as soon as possible and i want to see her hung from a tree as walker bait and then re-hung again i'm trying to find different ways to kill her oh jadis jadis what was she why are we trying to make her this new star yeah i don't remember when i first saw her this episode i first reaction i said what the heck are you wearing yeah i was kind of digging it because i saw her and talking and that girl she's hot i know that in real life and i was like i know i know i I saw the same stupid.

Much as I hate the character, I was like, hey. I mean, look, I am not opposed to naked iron. Naked Iron Heart. I'm all for that. Oh, can we talk about that for a second? Was that not a tribute to, was that not a Shiva that she was making? Was that a tiger? No, I think that was a cat.

Look like a tiger to me. Everybody said it was a cat. That makes no sense. But Shiva makes sense. It does actually make sense. Because that's what Rick took from her. Remember in season 7, Rick took the cat to give to Michone and then Jadus asked for the cat back. Rick didn't give it to her.

Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. Dang it. I thought I was on to something. I was like, I wonder if that was a tribute to that. That's what I was, this was my mindset while I was watching that. I was like, dang, she's kind of hot. And then I was like, oh, look at that.

That's a Shiva. And so I was like, I wonder if they did have, they're still in contact and they saw that whole fight go down. That's what I was thinking. But then she was around that neck of the, no, she wasn't when the tiger died. But I missed the whole cat thing because I was wondering if she was in a stand-up and turn around. Well, they had the guy walk by. Yeah, I know. They had the naked guy box.

So is that just like craft time? Like at the at the funeral fire. Yeah. It's craft time, but the rules of craft time. It's naked craft time. What about Rick wanting to make another deal with? them. I don't know why I mean he gave them the options say yes you're with us again say no we're gonna kill all of you so it's either yeah well I was like he's easy the he's either actually trying

to recruit them or he's just keeping them busy while they do something keeping them out of the fight you know what I mean like maybe he's keeping maybe he's like doing this whole as thing as a charade just to keep them focused on him and not running to save Negan's butt. That's the only I was thinking of. Well, that's actually smarter than I thought. Makes sense because he's like basically just a big stall technique to have them in it. While you were focused on me, we were kicking Negan's back.

Exactly. But we know this is part of the plan. He said this is part of the plan. So is the plan actually to recruit them or to stall them? I don't know. I'm hoping stall them. But the thing is is that now he's kind of, you know, kind of their prisoner. I mean, he's naked in that truck.

And one thing I noticed... He wasn't doing art when... at the end of the show though so I don't know I know what the heck if you're naked at the junkyard you got to do art one thing I noticed was crafting time was when right before it panned a rick in the in the in the shipping grate it it showed feet walking and at first I thought oh that those are rick's boots and then it panned up and it showed jadis and I was like wait what and then it panned to rick and I was like she's wearing rick's boots man dude he better get those boots back I know.

He's out those boots in season one. Upside down as Walker Bate. That's bull crap, man. And have the boots right under her. Oh, and what was the deal with the A? I don't know. What is the fascination with the letter A? Have you noticed in like multiple seasons?

Darryl had it on his. It was on the, it was on the train car. Box car. Yep, at Terminus. And there was something else. One of the, what's your face? The girlfriend, the married girlfriend, husband had a stamp on his hand that's right that's right there was another time to I don't

remember so is there no meaning to it and they just throw that in there everyone's wrong like well jadis what she's got to be in something to her right she's chalk up the shipping container I don't know a container with the A as she walks out with Rick's boots to go get naked someplace else I don't know we didn't get reference to the helicopter that's see that's one of the biggest thing that pissed me off. Yeah. I was waiting the entire time because it's like, oh, the crossover, it's not to do with that, you know,

and they told us, they basically said that the crossover was in the episode. I thought that as well. Only, I went back and I kind of read the tease and stuff, and it was, they teased, it was a talking, walking dead tease. No, I mean, it was a talking dead tease.

You know the show I don't like to mention. Do you know who the character is? Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But I would say, I, I, the tease was, a Talking Dead tweet team. They said that before. They said they were going to reveal it in Talking Dead.

That's just not the way I read. That's not the way I. Me either. I didn't understand that either. I thought it was going to be during the show. In the show. Yeah. I mean, that was a big deal for Talking Dead to get that. And they deserve it.

I mean, that's their own AMC show. And, you know, that shows one of the highest rated talk shows in the country because of, you know, following Walking Dead. Is it right? show yeah and then uh because you think about it you think about it walking dead gets anywhere from eight to 18 million people watching an episode right true so you drop it in half for talking usually maybe a little bit less or a little bit less than half for talking but you're still looking at four to 12 million people watching a talk show a week I mean that's good numbers man

I wonder how that makes them feel that they're not even as good as we are and they're they got all that backing. You know what I mean? They're still second best just like maverick and goose. Thank you. I am in love with you today. So what's next on the agenda to talk about? I have a love

with Jason Butchle today. He knows exactly what we're talking about. Now I will say that it just seemed like and then we went we're still fighting at Hilltop over the prisoners. We, you know, it's kind of cool that we put Gregory in the chicken poop with the other chickens. Dude, why is Jared alive? I know.

Why are the writers keeping that man alive? Well, it makes no sense. No, but it also makes no sense that we should have killed at least two of the prisoners. Those two head asshole prisoners. Yeah. Should have been dead. I only know. I only know of one a whole who was the guy, who was the long-haired guy.

Yeah, there's another guy. Jared. there's another guy in that group that is part of the inner circle that should be dead. And if they killed those two, then I'm okay with the others. The others will tell the line. Because there's that one savior talking to Jesus who seemed like an okay dude. And then when Maggie knocked out Jared, he went, thank you. Did you notice that?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there's still, there's a, there's a, there's a guy's cool. There's one or two. For sure, there's a long area. And there's another guy in that group that, when I,

I see his face, I know that he's the one I'm going to put a bullet in his head if I have a gun. Yeah, it makes no sense not to kill, like you kill the lieutenants and the guys that are like, keep like, they're the ones that have the iron fist around all the regular people. Take all them out. Don't feel bad about it. Right. Jared doesn't have the iron fist around anyone in that group. He's just the A-hole of the group.

Well, he's representing the people that have the iron fist around them. Yeah, yeah, they're not going to, they're not going to go out of line with him there. No way. Get rid of that guy and everybody else is going to be docile. Right. And happy because no one likes him. Yeah. He's still the lieutenant son.

True. He's still the guy. You're not even as a prisoner, you're not going to, you're not going to walk out of the, the Negan line when you still have him and this, and I, I should remember the other guy's name, when you have one or two of the lieutenes that are right there. I mean, those guys want to be with Negan. The other reason they're not with Nguyen. Deegan is because they're underneath what's his face, Baldi or a CrossFit chick. Those are the leaders of those guys. Or Gavin.

But I'm just saying those guys are right there underneath those guys wanting to sit at the table with Negan. So it only takes a quick death. Well, that one guy kind of stood up to Jared when Jared was holding the rock trying to cut the rope. Yeah. That guy was cool. Yeah, see, I think the rest of the group would fall in line with what that guy hit like that with like with that dude. If Jared was dead. Yeah, they got to kill those guys.

Yeah, I have to. Totally agree. It's. Jesus is way, it was way wrong on that. Ridiculous. Way wrong. What about, uh, what about Maggie in this? And she decided to put Gregory in the cage.

Good riddins. Mm-hmm. Good riddn's. A nice day. And then we're back. We go back to Alexandria for a little bit. It was good seeing, uh, Michone and, uh, and what was I the only one that noticed when they left? Mishone was driving and then we come back

from the commercial and Mishone's riding Was she really? No, I didn't notice that. I didn't Oh no, I did notice that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. It was the very first when they left And you noticed that. Mishon's driving They gotta be badass and they go to the break. And they come back from the break before they get to the

music box building. And then Rosita's driving. And Rosita's driving, yeah. They're making such a big deal about them still healing. How long does it take? Like, how long has it been since like the Timeline's pretty short, though, right? Because, I mean, Maggie, if we go with the real timeline,

Maggie's already pumped out eight kids. Oh, man. She's not even showing. And she's, okay, so can we back up for just a second? So they had the baby Gracie or whatever go to the hilltop, delivered that baby. Now, so in real life, the Maggie actress, she's not pregnant, right? She's not pregnant. No.

Okay, so I'm making the prediction now. Maggie is going to have a miscarriage because something traumatic is going to happen. Baby Gracie replaces it. So she's going to basically adopt the baby. No, I really don't think that because Herschel is a pretty big part in the comic so far. So who's that? Herschel. Oh, her baby.

Yeah, she names one. Oh, she has the baby? In the comic, she has the baby, and she names it Herschel. Ah, crap. Okay, so. But she could still name her adopted baby, Herschel. No, she can't because it's a girl. Dang it.

All my theories are getting wiped out today. Is this a baby have a name? No, okay. her her her and I'd always like seashell so

yeah going with that one love it thanks to the backup there okay so let's get to the crossover we waited for the crossover

we either read it wrong or they screwed us hard not telling us in the episode and then coming to I think the reason that they didn't have it in the episode is think about this. The reason they didn't have it in the episode

is because they didn't realize that they were going to need a crossover character. Okay, and I think they actually did plan on using one of the dead guys like we had talked about, but now what they've done is they've put fear on the shoulders of Morgan.

Yeah. Because the crossover character, if you hadn't heard, is Morgan. And he's already gone. I mean, they're already shooting next season of fear. right he's through season 8 on walking dead

hopefully he comes back I miss Morgan but he's off wandering around right because he's pissed to Jesus and then he's already gone because they're already shooting fear and he's there and they're shooting in Austin Texas too

because he I saw him speak he was when he was on when he was on that talk show that follows the Walking Dead he was actually it was actually funny because he was, when they showed him, did you see it at all? No. I saw it.

When they showed him, he was sitting there, and there was a Capitol building behind him. Uh-huh. And it was Texas Capitol building in Austin. But it looked, and he even joked about it, because it looks like this is a coup. He's this black guy with glasses and there's a capital building behind him. I feel like there's a coup, everything's okay.

That's funny. I'm not taking over, but it was really funny. Wow. So that means the, so that means the, The group in fear actually makes it to Texas then, right? Yeah. They're shooting in Austin. I'm guessing that's why they're doing that.

Also, the assignment Brad gave me last week, I did. I don't remember what it was. Oh, what do you want, we're not grading you? He's not here. I know. Did you finish the assignment I gave you? You didn't give me an assignment. I'll just take the trash out.

Don't worry about it. What was your assignment? Tell us again quickly so that we'll have, Brad will be here next week. Maybe. The assignment Brad gave me was to find out the timeline between fear and walking dead right now. Taking place where we are in fear right now is pretty much right after Rick had just woken up from his coma. So how can Morgan be the crossover? Morgan's been in Walking Dead since the very beginning.

Right? I mean, he was there early on in the town. He was in the first episode, I think. Right. I mean, him and his kid were living in their house in the dark. The kid attacked Rick, right? So they're going to, so they're basically fast forwarding time, I'm assuming, for fear next season, right? They're just going to fast forward a bunch of time.

Maybe we, maybe we, yeah, maybe we bypass a bunch of time. Must be. I mean, how long is it going to take them in the zombie apocalypse travel from California to Texas? That's probably going to take a while. I don't know. Yeah. And they were going with drug dealer, right? The drug kingpin, Mr. Back Surgery.

Yeah. Bikers. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. That's, I don't know. I don't know. I don't like seeing Morgan Lee. I don't either.

But, uh, I... He's been such a strong character. And we've been through a lot with them. We know him. We've been up and down. We know, I mean, we know him from his, from early days of the kid and not being able to kill his wife. Episode one. It was his wife that was turning the doorknob.

That's why he didn't want to kill her. Yeah. And then... Looking out the people. Right. And then he freaked out living in the city all by himself. Yeah. Right?

And then we got to know him with the serial killer psychiatrist. That's where he learned, you know, stick Twido. All life is special. Which I hated, but whatever. Worst episode. I actually really like that episode. That episode I still like a lot. But at least, yeah.

So fear has been missing characters of depth. No question. That's, yes. I mean, they're already, they showed pictures of them, you know, already going through read-throughs. And it's, you know, that show is on his shoulders now, though, right? I mean, that's, if I'm the other fear characters, I'm like, holy grab. Yeah.

I mean, I would be. I mean, I would think, okay, well, make us better. Someone's expendable. Someone's definitely expendable. Yes. Oh. A main character is expendable. I don't know who it is.

One of you people sitting at this reading table with Morgan. Right, right, right. Would you get to number 23 and it's blank? That's you. You're dead. So what did you think? So going back to this episode we were on, what did you think of the whole storyline between Rosita and Michone going to that whole warehouse

where they heard the music and the Saviors that were there? Yeah, I mean, okay. They were out. They heard the music. I thought it was, you know, now Darrell is going. I mean, he wants to, Daryl wants to do. what he wanted to do all along. And that's...

Same with Terra. That's going... Right. And that's going to, you know, drive the garbage truck right back into... Into the sanctuary and let the walkers into the building and kill them all. That was amazing. Daryl's a big, you know, big believer in that. I like the...

And I wish you would have answered, what are you doing out here? I wish Daryl would have said, because I'm me. And how about I just shoot you? How about that? Hey, so is it me or did... Did Niga never make a mention of Fatley? when he was in one of the meetings. Didn't he say we still have Fat Lady and we have Big Bertha or something like that?

Yeah, they're talking about the, that was the nickname I believe he gave the rocket launchers. So I assume Fat Lady was the vehicle with all the speakers on it because it was singing. Okay. That's what I assume. But I agree with you on the Big Bertha. I thought that was the Rocket Launcher, and we saw both of those. Right. So which by the way was the dumbest looking.

thing I ever saw in my life. That death. That death. Come on. You know where I saw that last? In a naked gun movie, I think. Leslie Nielsen points like a rocket launcher at somebody and blows him up like two feet away from him.

Cackles wildly. That's the only thing it was missing. Come on. I will say that the world wanted her to shoot it, right? Sure. I believe that she actually, the way it was shot on film was or digitally bastard

the way it was shot was she actually pulled the trigger before the whole world went kill him yeah yeah the whole world was that kick yeah and she pulled the trigger

oh my gosh dude what's wrong with that I loved that seat I did it was funny it was funny where she was like he was like you're bluffing

and then I don't remember it was Rosita Michelle and I think it was Rosita she pulls she pulls the trigger rocket fires put dup

beep vapor gets vaporized I love to see it it was just so ridiculously stupid but I was torn I was like this is I either saw Leslie Nelson knew this and naked gun or Wiley Coyote did this to somebody else a lot of going for the forever yeah the only thing was a capal like text in the middle of it you're not gonna do it boom like the big boom a boom yeah come on I know I know so

anyway we've got next week to look forward to Rick is or I mean Darrell is going to struggle with letting the walkers into the sanctuary. We've got Rick in the cargo container, naked, preparing to do art, I guess. He got Dwight. Carol has got the little kid following her around. Benjamin's brother. Yeah. Right.

Who is? You know who that boy is? Yeah, I do. The actress that played Sophia, his brother. Her brother. So that's kind of interesting. Carol kind of mentoring them both Anyway but one thing I Trivia that Brad's not here so I figured out

I didn't inject that it That was a total Brad thing to put in there Definitely So anyway one thing Plus they have the same shoe size That was for you Bradley Yeah that's right And their shoes sad

One thing I One thing I noticed in the trailer was Dwight was Dwight talking to Eugene about Pick the right side with me Oh yeah So yeah Yeah because so we know that Eugene knows Dwight's the traitor and the saviors.

Right, because of the blood on the bag, or the paint on the bag. And we don't know what happened to the preacher man. We don't know. He's still shaking in the... Let's hope Gabriel survives. Why? Because he's a good character. He will.

I bet he will. He broke anything right outside, right next to Jadis. And you see my girl, by the way. Before I say goodbye to this week's... episode. No, we still have one character. My traitor. Oh, my. My traitor.

Now, you see her made her way to get out of Hilltop to go with our boy after he dropped off the baby. He's going to go back out running around and she talked her way into going with him to get out of there. So she's going to Oh, that's right, dude. I wouldn't even pay attention to that. She finally got her way to get out there because she's been trying to get out. That sneaky little.

She's been trying to get out. She finally milked her way in to the guy, you know, the man. comes back. What's his face? Aaron. Yeah, comes back with the baby, and he's going to go back out, and she's going to go with him. Dude, I can't wait till that bomb drops. I'll be either. And we're not going to say a damn thing during that podcast.

We're just going to sit back and just look at Brad and Max the entire time. Thank you. I said that, no, I've said I'm on the fence. I don't know if she's the traitor or not. Oh, no. No, let me finish. I didn't say, oh, she's not the traitor like I did with Gabriel. I said there is a chance she is, but there's also a chance she's not.

If she is, I will fully admit to that part of myself. Like, okay, she is a traitor. But. Oh, that's big of you. If she's not the traitor. And if we find out she's not a traitor, I want you, who I'm talking to you, Jeffie, to have a written apology and statement on air. You know what I'll do?

You can count out that. I'll shave my head, Max. That's what I'll do if she's not. Your head is already pretty much shaved. You didn't have to say that on there. We just said roll with it. And all backs. There's nothing I want more than to give you a written and verbal apology.

Trust me. Trust me. There's nothing I want more than to tell you that. You're not going to like what it says. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening. Talking Walking Dead.