Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Talking Walking Dead S8 - Ep7 Time For After

Episode Date: December 4, 2017

Jeff Fisher; Brad Staggs, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher Discuss the latest episode and what the future may hold. #RaDis  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Season 8, episode 7, time for after. Greetings, and welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Maximus Fisher, Red Stags, Jason Buttrell, myself, Jeff Fisher. Thanks for coming along for the ride. Appreciate it. Good to see you, especially you. You look great.

I mean that. I'll let anybody tell you different. So how was the episode? I thought it was a little slow. That was just my overall impression. I thought we were getting to the end and nothing was going to happen. Did anything happen? Well, I mean, at least Rick got away, you know?

I thought it was a pretty good episode and a lot of the, and the story was pretty good in it too. What was the story? Well, there was like two side stories. There was the one with Eugene and the sanctuary and then Rick at the junkyard. I've noticed something about you. Maximus? What?

You've never seen an episode that you did not like yet. Right. Every episode you've said you like. Well, because it's good. He's so happy to be here. Look, if I, I'm planning, look, I would have binged the full show already.

But Jeffrey said I can't watch it until I watch the first episode for them. How do you mean all the seasons? Yeah. Well, that's still not going to change how you feel about these episodes. Yeah, I won't change how I feel about these episodes. but if I don't like an episode out of the previous seasons,

I'll say, hey, I didn't like that episode. You know, we've already passed those episodes. But I see where you're coming from. I think if I would have hadn't seen any of the other episodes, I'd be like, oh my gosh, this is an awesome season. Right. You know, I need to binging now. Yeah, see, no, no comparison.

That's true. Nothing to compare it to. But there's been some freaking awesome seasons. So it's like, it's so hard for them to not only like one up it, but just to live up to the standard at this point. but they haven't been bad it's just like I but we have seen several episodes where they're like okay this is gonna be another one of those set up episodes nothing's going to happen and I was it was getting dangerously close to that how long did they prolong darrell ramming the garbage

truck into the right how long of a setup do you need for yeah I was like oh my god well we need to discuss exactly who was going to ride in it and who was going to save him and yeah and where they were going to find the brick and do we really want to do it. I actually, one thing I was surprised about, Morgan suddenly showed up in the episode. I was like, hi Morgan. Yeah, and with a completely changed attitude. No.

No, no, no. From being in the forest and shooting the walker or shooting the saviors. Yeah, that's because he wanted to win this. Yeah. No, he didn't want the Jesus. Hey, we've all got to get along. The new Rick, we've all got to get along Grimes plan. That's right. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we're at war, and we need to, you know, we're going to take prisoners of war. No. That's right. We're going to put himself in the place, the same place that Daryl's in, the same places in. What's your face is in? How come you keep forgetting Tara's name? Tara. The same place that she's in is we need to kill them all now. We're at war. They all must die. And I tend to agree. Me too. I tend to agree, especially the dude with the long hair in the cage.

Yes. Yeah. I'm fine with him dying. Yes. Yeah, but he needs to die slowly. So this episode was mostly Eugene. Yeah. We went back and forth with Eugene.

I hate him more than I ever had. But at least now you know where he stands. It's like he's not on the fence. We finally know. Everyone was a little, is he on Rick's side? Is he a traitor now? Now we know, oh, he's a savior. Yeah.

Well, he's just, well, he's in it for himself. Exactly. He's in it for himself. He's a selfie. And an utter coward. Yes. He's accepted that. He's a savior, but he's even so much of a coward that he can't even confront Dwight.

Right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He couldn't even do that. But before he would feel bad shooting him, now I don't think there's any. You just, you know, you're done. And he was ready to sell Dwight out when Dwight wasn't in the room with Nagan. Remember, he was ready to tell Nigen.

That's right. When he was in the room saying that he had figured out a plan and he was going to one up the message. Yeah. And that message was going to be Dwight. Yes. And then Dwight walked in and he couldn't do it. He said the sound system or whatever. Which is still a pretty big thing.

That's how much of a cowardly is. Yeah. I was like, dude. But Negan is playing him like a fiddle. Nigan is playing Eugene like a fiddle. Oh, yeah. I don't normally shake hands with people. Shut up.

I did. I did laugh out loud. That was a great to see. That was funny. Eugene. I was going for a hand. That was a cool Look, right before Eugene walked in the room

where we just see Negan's back and we see him holding Lucille over his shoulder That was a cool shot Yes, it was and he waves us to waves Eugene in And I wouldn't have been surprised If he had just swung the bat and taking Eugene's head off Which I was ready for that Which would have been fine

It would have been fine, yes Would have been fine. Now there was a on the show that comes on right after Walking Dead on AMC They had a poll And what was that poll? The poll was, do you think, Inc? Rick would ever take Eugene back. 70% of people said yes

and 30% of people said no. Whereas some of the cast on the couch maybe, but with Daryl and Tara and Morgan, they'd kill Eugene in an instant. Well, in Rick's new state of mind of the Rick we've all got to get along, Grimes' new world. He definitely takes him back.

Yeah, I guess so because he's no, at least Eugene hasn't killed anybody. Well, lives have been lost because of it. Right, but he hasn't directly pulled the trigger, so to speak, on anybody from Alexandria or any of the other unified communities. They would take him back, but they'd stick him in Hilltop or something like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maggie would have to deal with him.

Don't you remember, though, Rick was the one who exiled Carol. Yeah. This is before your time. That was because she killed the sick people. Uh-huh. But she did it for the reason of protecting people. Then she came back and saved him. Mm-hmm.

So. It was cool seeing the argument between Tara, Morgan, and Daryl against Michone and Rosita. I liked that scene. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. But they had a good point, Tara. and Michelle that look, if we hadn't gotten

to the speaker truck in time, that would have been that would have drawn all the walkers away so the waiting wouldn't necessarily have worked. Right.

True. I'm just tired of this not so subtle anymore. And bat hit to the head of this morality issue. I'm just sick of it. Like stop talking about it

and showing it and actually show it like on the battlefield. You know, like show like in an attack, you know, that there's a family. you know, inside there. And people are conflicted on pulling the trigger.

Right. That's tons of better writing than, in my opinion. I don't want to sound overly harsh because I, because I'm not like, I'm really just, I mean, it's the walking dead. You have to find that you, we love everything about it. It's a great documentary. You have to find ways that it's a great documentary. It's a real life.

Yeah. And one thing is, but there's so many, there's some, there's some things I think could push it over the end, you know, over the edge and make it just awesome. And these little things, this morality thing, I'm just, I'm just tired of it. There's one thing I said during the episode when we finally saw where Eugene stood is where I said, now it's confirmed, they completely shifted his character from the comics, almost fully. Eugene's. Yeah, other than him being smart and a bullet maker, they completely shifted his character. Because when I've said this before, when he got captured by Negan in the comics, he refused Negan's offer and said, I'm no longer a coward and helped Rick when.

he escaped. Right. But now he's just a full-on coward. Mm-hmm. And he's still helping Rick in the comics right now, so... The garbage pill kids. Okay, yeah. The scavengers.

Let's go to the garb. They... Shall we? Okay, first of all, it's the... Going back to the week before, the naked sculpting and the naked this and the naked that, and then they get Rick in his underpants. He comes out, okay, why? Which I will give him the, you know,

he handled the headless Walker well. Oh, that was a great scene. It was great. Why didn't they just shoot him? That was a tremendous scene. Why didn't they just shoot him? They all had guns. From what I saw, only Jadis had a pistol.

No, they all had guns. They're armed of the teeth. No. Yes. No, when they were, only the three that were out there, which was the guy holding Rick, Jadis, and the Walker. And the Walker.

By the time of the end of it, though, they were all standing around. all drawn down on him when he had Jadis on the ground. Yeah, but if they shot him, he would have probably shot her before the bullets reached him. He, who would have shot her? Rick didn't have a gun, did he? He had, no, his hands were tied. Yeah, his hands were tied, but Jadis had her gun,

and he had his, I think he had his hand turned to her head. Yeah. There were so many opportunities for them to just shoot him, though. Yeah. Well, there's also so many opportunities for Jadis to be dead. You were wanting that so bad. A, why does Rick Grimes want to play this silly little game with these trash people? There's no need for it.

I'm sorry, he's already been through their little test with the trash walker before when they kicked him down into the hole with the main spike walker. Right. Which was a cool walker. Yeah, I'd be sure it was cool. but and then and then what pissed me off even more he should have shot her right then he should have just shot her right this strangled her

just reached out and strangled her when he finally she surrenders we good and he tells her and then she still tries to bargain right then I should have strangled her right then yeah and looked at the rest of the trash people and said somebody else want a bargain

I didn't think so like when when he said a fourth she said half and then he went a fourth like she was trying to she was trying to make a deal with him. And then she wanted to sculpt a sculpt of after. It was like after a fourth after we sculpt with those off and then it panned out to his legs.

And he was like with these off going up to his arms and no sculpting. Because when he had it down, that was great. You can draw. You can sculpt you. You can never know. Shit you do. Yeah. Profanity.

I just don't. I don't understand what. Did the methane from the from the dump get to them all? Maybe that's it. Maybe that's, maybe there's so much methane. That's got to be a reason. I was thinking the same thing because I was like, it hasn't been that long for them to devolve that much.

It's only been a few years. They've been sniffing methane, something. Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. And they're acting awfully strange. No, but go back to the point of why he doesn't just kill them. Right. I think it's kind of interesting because that's something that Nigan and Rick have something

have in common. People are a resource. Right. Yeah. He thinks people will see them as a resource. I'm okay with him letting some of the trash people live, just not Jadis. Right. You just, you have to cut the head off the snake.

I mean, she is absolutely agonizing. And I don't want to hear from you, but you're all about, oh, he saw her on the show that comes on after talking, after walking. And she's hot. And she's hot. She's hot when she's cleaned up and had a bath and nice clothes. You see her with that with that iron sculpting. apron on and no clothes underneath.

She's hot. These were conversations we had off the air. Come on, man. Jeez. You said it on the air a couple times, too. No, I probably did. Nothing is sacred. But she's just, she plays the snarky element so perfectly when he asked her for the help initially in the other episode when she went, no.

Yeah. And you just want to go. Yeah. I like how Wendy he was pinning her down. He said, I'm walking out of here. And I walk out of here. you all die. That was a great line. I didn't understand what he meant, though.

If I walk out, you all die. Without an agreement. Oh. Yeah. If he walks out of there and they haven't. No deal, then they're all dead. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, I mean, and that really is the meat of the whole thing.

Other than the fact that when Rick went to see the truck driven into or the walkers in the courtyard of the sanctuary, they were gone. There wasn't one out there. Are you telling me that every stinking Walker in that courtyard went into the bill? Every one of them. Everyone did. There wasn't one dead Walker left out there. Yeah. And he had his point man, right?

One of the snipers dead. Yeah. And nobody was answering the walkie-talkies. So we fast forward in time a lot, right? Or did we? No, I don't think so. We had to him, right? Why would his sniper be dead?

Because they were waiting for him. They knew that they knew that Rick was going. going to trash land. Because they even said, what's her face? Rosita said that he was going to trash world. Right. Yeah. And she believed in Rick Grimes.

Yeah. And they were waiting, you know, for waiting for him is what they should do because that was the plan, right? Well, they didn't know how long he was going to be. No, I mean, it had been a couple of days. He's been in the shipping container naked being sculpted with iron from Jadis. Oh, what about the beginning where they opened the door? She's the drawing and she's taking pictures. I thought the pictures were to send back to Nagan.

Yeah, I thought so too. And you remember those cameras? I mean, I personally, I don't remember. I remember my grandfather having those. Yes, sure. Those bulbs get hot. Yes, they do. Have you ever used those balls?

Oh, yeah. You notice she wasn't touching them. No. That's because once they snap, those bad boys are hot melted paper. I mean, my grandfather used to put them on paper plates. Uh-huh. They didn't have cameras when your grandfell at his time. They had those tin type, DeGiro type cameras.

It was called pin and paper. I like the continuity about stone of the cave wall. When Rick came out, I did like the continuity where we see the patch on where she grazed him at the end of season six. Yeah, I noticed that too. Seven, sorry. Where we see the patch where she grazed him at the end of last season. I was like, okay, good continuity there. Yeah, I noticed that.

as well okay so then we had uh since uh you weren't here last week brad you've decided to you know well i've got to go to hawaii for fun you know now and then you just have to they call me over to hawai to uh they do uh yeah hawaii call you to drink their alcohol apparently they need someone to drink it apparently they can't get it yeah they call and they can you come over and have some more of our little drinks is that like is that like the earthwater people kind of yes and they say you know come over and drink some more and it's like well i can't No, we insist. If I wanted to drink Earthwater, other than going to Hawaii, how would I do that?

You know, I'd go to earthwater.com slash the blaze. And that's where I'd find Earthwater. And as a matter of fact, it's good they had the cap screwed on, isn't it? Yes, it is. Otherwise, it would have just spilled all over. All over. It would have been all over me. That'd be a real shame.

I would have hated to have that happen. Yeah, me too. Me too. You had given a week before last year, you had a Maximus homework. And I will say that he had his homework done before the, the end of that day. Yep.

Because he was very mad that he didn't have the answer for you at the time. And just to remind everybody, Max, what was the homework that I gave you? The homework he gave me was, or the assignment, was that I had to find out the timeline between fear and the main show Walking Dead. Because you didn't know it off the top of your head, which is very, but now you know, which is, and this is going to be critical because now that Lenny James has left or is leaving. I know. Walking Dead. I don't think he's leaving per se. I think they're going. I think what it is, they finished filming season in eight already.

I think they're starting to film see the next season of fear. Yes, they are. He's in it. Once they start, once that's done, because usually the record, after fear's done filming, they start filming the next season of the main show. What I'm thinking is once Fears done recording, Lenny James goes back to the main show. I don't think so. I don't think they're going to kill off Morgan this season.

No, but he's just going to go. So what's the answer to the assignment? From what I could find, Fear of the Walking Dead right now, where we are in the show right now, is almost directly after Rick wakes up out of his coma. Okay. All right. So the part where he gets up and walks out of the hospital and walks out into the hospital yard, that's in time. That's where they are on Fear of War.

That's where Fear's time is. From what I could find. Which makes sense. All right. That makes sense. But it doesn't make sense on how they're going to be able to work Morgan into the timeline. because at that time he would still be there

he was still with his wife and kids right he was he was holed up in Atlanta or in that town with his kid which means they're going to have a time jump on Fear the Walking Dead next season yeah it's going to be two years later or three years later or something that's what they're going to do it's just not going to be linear anything else just does not make sense

no it doesn't because Morgan or he was never in California or or he shows up on Fear of the Walking Dead as his brother Lorgan twin brother Lorgan Or he shows up on fear and it's before

Before he moves No because that wouldn't No it wouldn't Because he said he lived there in that neighborhood Yeah And he was watching the wife Come up and she turned the doorknob And he couldn't shoot her

So a time shift is all I think they fast forward They have to I think he just leaves the group For some reason Either he gets pissed off or I don't know Leaves what group believes the Walking Dead group.

Yeah. But to go over to fear the Walking Dead, which is actually three or four years prior to this happening. It's going to be a big jump on fear. It would have to be a jump. Big jump forward in fear and backward on the Walking Dead. But they've already set it up. They're traveling from Mexico? To doubt.

To Houston. That's not easy during the apocalypse. Wherever. Texas. I thought it was Austin. They're going to Texas. Wherever it is. No, they're shooting in Austin.

They're filming in Austin right now. Now, the show is going to Houston. Don't you watch the show? Good grief, Max. One thing you said during the show is when... You don't want me to watch it, but I didn't get that out of it. Right. Is when the walkers stormed into the sanctuary.

When the walker stormed into the sanctuary, one thing you notice is that one of the walkers reached out for one of the soldiers. I know, I saw that. I played that for you. Yeah. And then one thing I said was it looks like more of a fresher walker than... Because one thing we've all seen before is the fresh walkers are a little more smarter than the rotting ones. Yeah, when they stormed in, it was... What? Oh, yeah.

Well, what do you mean what? We've talked about this before. The fresh ones... The fresh ones are... The fresh ones are not as rotten. Yeah, the newer walkers, the newer dead people aren't as rotted. Right. So they move faster or...

You still have the tendons and ligaments are all connected. Yeah, because I saw the... When they're storming into the sanctuary, the one walker, the one walker, I see the one walker, reach out and grab the arm of this, of one of this. Yeah. What the hell? Well, they're grabbing. Yeah.

But there's still the slowest things in the history of things that chase you. They still don't run. They still just walk. They used to run. But. When did they run? No, they never run. Yeah.

Watch season one. They used to run. I've seen clips. Nah. They may be walked fast, but they never ran, which was always the joke, is that you do, how do you get away from these? You jog. They jog. You just break into a light.

jog the other direction that's what kills you with the with the dead is that you get overwhelmed it doesn't it isn't that there are numbers you get caught yeah yeah so you just find you look for daylight and jog right but then sooner depending on how big the herd is you know like I'm not running if it's me I'm either dead it's me I'm like somebody better kill somebody's so we don't have to outrun them we just have to out jog you Exactly. You're the guy you keep in a group. Uh-huh.

It's like when the herd comes, I want this guy. What did you think of? Thank you. What did you think of the rear? I think thank you. What did you think of Eugene's conversation with Dwight in Dwight's room in the beginning of the episode? The conversation about him wanting Dwight to. Oh, oh, Dwight telling Eugene.

to do nothing. Yeah, you just sit down and shut up. Yeah, I'm over it. Dwight's on our side. He's helping us out. Eugene needs to die. I like Eugene's plan where he hooked up the iPod to the little point. Okay, but that's a big fail, though.

With Dwight wants to stop that thing from taking off, why didn't he walk over and step on it? Why are you saying things that makes? I know. And he wouldn't do anything about it. Well, they even said, mentioned something on the show after. You know who he hadn't talked about yet? Who?

Gabriel. We'll get to me. He's dead. Although he did bring up a good point. But why didn't Dwight just step on the glider? He didn't have to shoot it. He just had to walk up and go, or kick it off. Yes.

Because it's cooler for him to shoot it out of the air. It is. It is. And it made us think that he was going to kill Eugene longer on screen. And it also showed that Eugene was going to make that decision. Right. Saviors over. Yeah, it was a pivotal moment.

So he was the acronym. Oh, yeah. H.K. I know. Yes. He had some good lines, though. He was written very well this episode. Yeah, he did.

I'm just over him. Yeah. What do you call him a shit casserole? Because you look like a shit cassero. A potato. And he mentioned the, and he mentioned the, and Eugene mentioned a Dwight on what happened in season six. The what? Where Eugene, he caused a certain injury to Dwight.

You don't remember? Like, basically where, where, where, where you, Eugene bit on a Dwight's crotch. Remember that? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah, punched him. That's right.

When Dwight shot the arrow through Denise's face. That's right. Eugene was able to get up and I didn't punch him. He bit him. I forgot about that. Yeah, I said he bit him right in the crotch. That's right. I forgot about that.

Yeah, me too. I did too. You think they'd like each other better, though. No kidding. All right. So next week, we've got 90-minute. mid-season finale. And the event that everyone will be talking about, something shocking.

Right, they really push that. Who's going to die? They really pushed that, though. Carl's going to die. No. I hope not. No way. Possibly.

He's the only immortal person on this besides Rick, I think, right? Yes, Carl. Unless the actor playing Carl wants to go to college and doesn't want to be part of it. Which they talked about that a couple years ago. Yeah. And he's been basically vacant. on the show this. Yeah, he sure has. A few scenes. I think

Gabriel. That's not shocking. Let's not shocking. Let's talk about Gabriel. Why? He's dying. At first you thought he was faking it, but now at first you thought he was faking it, but now he know he's not. He has an infection, I think, probably because of the... I don't think he's only one of anybody who ever slop Walker

guts on him to get an infect. No, I'll tell you what, though. He may be faking it. Okay? He may be faking it. I was thinking about this because his deal was he wanted to get sick so that he could go see the doctor because his main program was to get the doctor back to Hilltop. Right.

Right. So he fakes being sick and he gets to see the doctor. Right. The doctor knows that he's got to, you know, when nobody's around, he talks to the doctor and says, hey, we know you from Hilltop. We want to get you out of here. We want to get you back to Hilltop. Maggie's pregnant.

We know she doesn't show it for some strange reason, but she's pregnant. Because she's in her first trimester. I didn't keep telling me that, but time warp. But the, and so the doc knows. Right. Right. The doc knows so he, that's why he left Eugene there to hopefully that the doc, that Gabriel would talk Eugene into part of helping.

Right. Get him out of there. But he did really, I mean, how could you fake the sweat and the chills you could tell what he was having? I don't know. Maybe Eugene bit him on the crotch again or something. I don't think now I'm retracting what I said. I don't think he's faking. I think that what you just said was that when he,

put the guts on him. That got him sick. But why is he the only guy in the history? I mean, the only guy that we've seen a cut or something like that. But Negan did say when they were covering the... I know, yeah, but okay, that's the same. That's the true with all of them.

But what that's doing is that's setting up Negan's counterattack. Yeah. Which Max knows. Oh, that's going to be. So this is how they figure it out. I bet you. Yeah.

The doctor's going to say, oh, this is, you know, it must have been when he put that on there and he had this cut. Yeah. And it got into his bloodstream. Yep. Okay. Setting up the counterattack. Okay.

But we still haven't decided who's going to die next week. No. What I want next week, I want a fist fight between Rick and Negan. I want a fist fight between those two. Yeah, that'd be dope. Will we get that? It's going to be more than the fist. It's going to be one of those that they roll from room to room and pick up weapons

and drop weapons and they're on the street and they're, you know, knocking each other off buildings. Well, we got a Rick Grimes fight this week. Yeah. Right? With the Walker from the trash can walker. I mean, that was a classic Rick fight, right? It looks like he's down, but in the end, he's not. He prevails.

Yeah. And, I mean, that's what we love about him. Whereas with this next episode, I want an equal fight where they're both standing and in front of each other and then they fight. I want like someone of an equal match between Rick. Yeah, but we know none of them are going to die. True, but still it would be cool to see. That'll be the web extra. I can't think of who was going to die.

I can't. Rosita. Yeah, it'd probably be Rosita. Possibly Tara. Is that shocking? It's not going to be shown. That'd be shocking. We may find out

Homeboy and my my my traitor is up running around. Enid. We've got to find out Enid and Aaron. That may be the shocking. That may be the shocking.

Yeah. Enid. Yeah. That would be shocking because she's a young kid. Yeah. I mean, that would be bad. Yeah.

That might be the, that might be. what they're talking about. We find out that she's the traitor and we have to kill her. Yeah. And then you all can say, geez, you're right, yeah.

Especially you. Yeah. I'm betting on Rosita. Well, well, Rosita live in the comics. Rosita does live through the war. Yeah.

And remember, Lori was his girlfriend for a long time too, so. And there was no Michone, correct? So who doesn't live through? Although it would be nice to see Michone go. I'm over her.

Yeah. What's wrong with Michelle? I'm over her. She has a nice katana. You know what I'm saying? I mean, she didn't, you know, what are we got from her now? Nothing. I think the character's dope.

I just think the romance is forced. Yes, and it does. There's no magic between them. Is the Andrea the comics right now? I will say. That's what I'm talking about Andrea. I will say that if we break up Rick and Michone so that Rick could be with Jadis, I'll ease up on my eye one.

God, I will No, no. I'll use that one. I don't want Jesus dead. That's going to make work Dave. I'm with you on that,

just, no problem. That's going to make working together very awkward for the two of them. What do you mean? Mishon and Rick coming to work every day. It's just going to be

very strange. In the comics, Mishone is with Ezekiel. Dude. But if Rick goes with Jadis, then I'll ease up on wanting her dead. Well, we need to start at.

Twitter hashtag campaign to get that done. Hashtag radis. Radis and Jadis Union. We shall hand on that. We'll see you next week. I'm talking Walking Dead. See you.