Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Talking Walking Dead S8 - Ep8 Mid-Season Finale ‘How It’s Gotta Be’

Episode Date: December 11, 2017

Jeff Fisher; Brad Staggs, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher Discuss the past, the present and the future of Dead. Mid-Season Premiere is in February. See you back here then. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Oh my gosh. Another fantastic week. Season 8, episode 8, mid-season finale, how it's got to be. Before we get to it, though, I've got to get us in the mood. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead, Maximus Fisher, Brad Stags, Jason Buttrell, myself, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Mid-season finale last night, how it's got to be.

the title. We don't have a new episode until February. I'm going to sleep until then. I know. All right, so let's, quick overall feelings about the episode, Maximus. Okay, this episode

was a big episode and I thought it was a pretty, I really liked this episode. He said, he, what is he getting paid by AMC? I know, I think he's, well, this one, How much is AMC paying you?

They're not paying me. Hey, I want to watch the first few seasons to see if I like those episodes better than these episodes, but I haven't yet. So. That's on me. I got him all riled. He's got your disposition. I only hope that we can be as suspenseful and dramatic as last night's show. Thank you.

Yeah. Because it was. It was. It was. It was. It was really. No. I mean, it was over the top

and we were texting back and forth that I don't know it just did not feel right. I think I'll translate that and I think I'll just come right out with it. It sucked. Last night's episode sucked.

Really? It was the worst midseason finale which usually they have great midseason finallies. And I thought this was the worst midseason finale they've ever had. I was kind of disappointed and I'll leave it kind of

disappointing just for the fact to let Max take a breath because I know he's all wound up saying it was really good I thought it was really good everyone has their own opinion can I can I start with the first thing that pissed me off about last night good on the list the opening credits okay so did it start out with Enid and and what's his name Aaron and Aaron and Aaron okay what was the point of that entire plot line absolutely no idea who gives the crap about them doing this They're going to Oceanside. They were going to Oceanside. To get the guns.

No. We're going to get the people. We're going to see more people, right? They wanted, I think they wanted to go to Oceanside to get them, try to get them to help again. I didn't work out so well, did it? I mean, what was the point? Why? As far as they knew, they were still winning.

Yeah. They don't know anything's bads going on. So all of a sudden now they decide they need their help. And we kill the old lady? Yeah. Oops. Again, which I was like, that will be consequential for whatever they want to get done, which they're probably not going to get done now. But who cares?

Who cares? So it was just a filler. It was just a waste time. That was for. And then, yes. And I would like to know, like, Negan is, he and his people are either military geniuses. Mm-hmm. Oh.

Which I'm sure, you know, I'm not taking anything away from your military expertise, Jason. But you ain't that good. Okay, so yeah, the second reason why I thought this was sucky. You just summed it up right there. We just spent an entire half season. We sure did. Of this huge elaborate plan and it was enjoyable for the most part. I mean, we bitched and complained for a little bit of stuff, but whatever.

Because we didn't know the full scope of the plan. A little hard to follow. We still don't know the scope of the plan. But still, an entire half season and then erased in a single evening? They raced in three hours? Like, what? Yeah. Which is kind of what happened in the comics.

I'm just saying that's kind of what happened. So they had this big elaborate plan. Launched over multiple days. Right. And it just fell flat on its face and didn't work. Was it because Daryl drove the garbage truck into the place? Well, Daryl doesn't exist in the comics. Well, then who drove the garbage?

So you want to ask a good question. Okay. Excuse me. I have a follow-up question. Whoever, did anybody drive a garbage truck into the place? No one drew a garbage truck in there. He just said droove. Drew, yeah.

You're getting on me and he said droo. Drew, okay. Yeah, sorry. But in the comics, what they actually did was during the entire your hoard thing. This one was part of the plan. They took the RV, rigged it with explosives, and then drove it. Okay, so it was the way they did the sanctuary. Same thing.

So they still blew a hole on the side of the sanctuary. Yeah. So same idea. Let it flood it with walkers and let them have lunch. Yeah. They were able, they were, the Saviors were able to stop the walkers and get out, and then Negan showed up at this, at Alexandria and blew it to hell. That's exactly what happened in the comics.

He blew it to hell in the comics. And that's what he did last night. I mean, it was pretty, I will say, taking all the peripheral stuff that really didn't mean anything, like Carol running up when, when Ezekiel is closing the gate to go away. Morgan sneaking around listening to the king finally growing some nads after his depressive days. Right. And the garbage pale kids. And the gar.

Okay, that was another plot line that made no sense. Made no sense at all. That entire episode of him getting caught and then for nothing, they ran away. And then was it? Prior to Carol showing up at the kingdom and Carolyn Morgan. and that whole time that we were with Maggie and that whole time that we were with your LGBTQ people

and where was Rick, I mean, Rick just disappeared. Yeah. We just gone. Last week, after he left the garbage bail kids, he went to that tower. Remember that? Yeah. So then what happened to him?

He realized that their lookout had been off, and then that's when he must have disappeared. Well, no. In the beginning of the episode, he went to go inside and then went to a big fight and Carol saved him in the Tahoe. With Jerry. That's right. Jerry didn't die. I know I thought Jerry was going last night.

Yes. We still don't even know what happened, do we? It never showed. It never showed. But he didn't die. At least at that point. I thought once his face shot somebody, we don't know who it was. He shot the guy in the back of the car.

Yeah, he shot the guy behind Maggie in the back seat. I had my freaking finger on the off button. I swear to God. If they would have killed Jerry, I was turning it off and walking away. Well, did you see my, I got to find my favorite tweet during that time. When they were actually talking about, all I was doing was thinking about you. But it looked like Jerry was a lost cause.

I mean, it truly did. It did. It truly like we're losing Jerry tonight. And they warm me up too because when I saw his note that he left for the king, It was so Jerry-esque. That was, I read it. It was like, Your Majesty, I had to bounce. That's Jerry.

So my favorite tweet from Brandon Davis, honestly, take Carl's other eye before you take Jerry. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about. I know. Simon in this episode was, you have to admit, he did a good job. Oh, he plays a great a hole.

You just want to gouge his eyes. out. And Negan was great as well last night. I mean him, when he shows up and bangs the bat on the door. I mean, that's that whole speech he did, like about the whole, you have three minutes before I blow this place to hell. That

speech was amazing. Yeah, I mean, he gave his stand-up routine at Alexandria and then Carl had him. Oh, defiered it's Carl. I mean, Carl had him, hook, line, and sinker. Because some of it was actually true. Yeah. And Carl's speech,

Some of it was actually true. And that was prior to us. I mean, he was dying from the bite. No one else did. When did he get bit? Episode six. Yeah, when he was saving Sadiq. And then he got pushed down by the rockers onto the dead horse.

That's where he got bit. He said it at the end of the episode. He's like, I saved him. And that's how this happened. When we were all saying that was uncharacteristic and why was he out there, it made no sense because they're setting up something that shouldn't even have been there. Right. Okay.

Because they came up with an idea. So if you are listening to this podcast wondering what was the big news, Carl got bit. He's going to die. He's the last of two remnants of every episode of every since the beginning of Walking Dead. Rick and Carl, Carl's gone. No, there's still Carol, but there's still Carol from the beginning. No, she wasn't from the beginning. Morgan. He wasn't in every episode.

No, not. Not in the first episode. Bring it. Wasn't Morgan in the first episode? No. I'm just saying that I read today, I read today that Rick and Carl are the only two that have been there the entire season. Morgan was in the first episode, honey? I don't think so. Was he not? I think so.

And that might be, he may have been in the first one, but he wasn't there through, they took him away for a while. That's true. That might be what they're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I may be wording it wrong. but Rick and Carl, I believe, are the two that have been throughout it all. Yeah.

I tell you what, man. Maybe that's the way it was read. But that having been said, I'm really, I mean, when Maggie, Maggie went back to the hilltop and she kills the guy from the Savior. I was like,

why did she kill that guy? Why did she kill the long hair guy? Why? She killed the wrong guy. So big deal. So the only person that we really lost but didn't lose, I mean,

the shocking news was, that Carl got bit, right? Yeah. Yeah. There was no shocking news up until then. Yeah. Which they could have. We could have seen Ezekiel's head on a spike.

We killed. That would have been shocking. Yes. We killed the UPC tattooed lady on the neck. No. No. She ran on. She got away, right?

She's the one that Dwight said one got away. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was her? Yes. Yeah. That was her. She shot.

Yeah, I know. She shot Dwight. She shot Dwight and then she took off. Daryl got his vest back. Yes, he did. Finally. I really thought Terra was going to

shoot Dwight. So Max, question for you, though. So Dwight is important though, right? Doesn't he go on to lead the saviors?

Yes. So he can't be found out yet, right? Will that be a big change? Well, Carl can't die either if we stick to that. Yeah, that's true.

But I mean, we're talking like a total rewrite. Like if Dwight gets found out, that's another big rewrite. He gets found out later, but he doesn't get where we are right now in the comics. He gets found out a little later

during the war, but not at this point in the war. Well, he's found out now, so I wonder if they're just fast forwarding that. No, he's not found out now. She knows. She knows. She's not, where's she at? She ran on. She's not with Negan. No, but she could find, potentially. I mean, they could find her dead and then the secret's safe,

but if she's still alive and kicking and looking for Negan, then what about Eugene? I'm sick of him too. He kind of knows, too. You're right. He knows that Dway. Yeah, he does, and I'm sick of him, and I'm sick of, you know, and Gabriel, real it's not too late shut up so is he switching sides again yes no he's not switching sides

he's just you know being resourceful and trying I don't know what he's doing to be honest with you because the right he hopes look I dropped the keys that you can help you get out of here oops but why don't you come with us no I can't do that because I belong to Negan or whatever he just doesn't have the bad I think it boils down that he just does not have the balls to do anything of major consequence yeah you know either way he just doesn't have the guts to do anything to go to go all in either way. And one thing, especially since Homeboy died

the guy that was, I mean his keeper Abraham, yeah, I mean that was his keeper man. And one thing I actually remembered about last week's episode was remember when Eugene was recording the, his little monologue. Yeah. And then

Dwight interrupted him. The microphone was still on and the device was still recording. You could see it was still recording. So what I'm wondering, he still has the proof in the recording of, oh, Dwight's a traitor, because he has the whole recording of that conversation he had on Dwight on top of the roof. Yeah, and he was going to tell Nagan, too, that time when he was all by himself before the group came in. Yeah, before the group came in.

Can I, uh, and then he didn't butcher up. I just wanted to make a point because I know, none of you will. At 8.05, and it is time stamped, last night's central time, which would have been five minutes into the show, probably only three minutes into content, given the open and commercials, etc. I do believe I sent the two of you a text that read, not sure period, but I'm throwing Carl into the might get killed ring.

Who called it? So that would be me. Because you said somebody might die, you called it? Carl, I did. Oh, that was, I know, I remember that. That was after he was writing those letters to that. That was 805. That was three minutes into content.

How far into that could we have gotten? I just wanted to tell you how absolutely into the future I can see. If I had a microphone right now, I'd drop it. Real brave of you there. Brave prediction. I'm throwing everyone in the ring. I didn't say everyone.

After seeing Carl writing goodbye letters. You know what I'm going to die? This ending? You know what this ending does too? It throws off the old man Carl theory. I know. That's very disappointing because that's one of my favorite theories of how they're going to end the show is the old man Carl.

However, it still, It still leaves us before, it still leaves us with the baby being the cure. And they're going to make her the badass too. Now she gets to be the badass. Okay. Is Carl gets awesome in the comic? Was that not, was that just me? Or was anybody getting kind of nervous when they just left Judith down there playing by the pond?

I know. I was like, good idea. Leave the baby playing by the pawn. It was fine. How you do it? Who's the boo? She's fine. And then just left you there.

It was kind of crazy. And I like, did you notice, too, when Rick came down into the sewers, I mean, she turned away from him. She wanted nothing to do with him. You know, she, he was touching everybody is coming through the sewers. And Judith was like, oh, boy. She turned away. So the monster's here.

I know. She's going to turn into an all-out bitch. Let's just turn it. When Carl goes, because Carl's been her keeper, right? Yeah. I mean, Carl's been her keeper. Yeah. For real.

Since the beginning. And, I mean, she was born into Carl's arms. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's been, that's going to be a tough one on her. And now that she's, I mean, she's actually grown into a fullborn woman. Maggie hasn't had, isn't showing yet. But she's not showing her pregnancy yet.

But Judith is an adult. One thing I'm going to give birth any day now. And actually, Judith is going to be the one delivering the baby. One thing. I'm actually he's somewhat a little curious about is later in the comics Carl becomes a really cool character and not anymore

I mean he's wearing here's what he actually becomes a blacksmith at the hilltop in the comics and yeah he owns his own sword he's wearing kingdom armor and he and he leaves any and he ditches the hat in the eye patch so he walks around with a big old gouge

in his face he ditches the hat in the eye patch when he's wearing the armor so he's just biting with the hole in his eye. Nice. He could have gotten a pet lizard and had it live right there in the socket, so I just kind of looked out every now and then. And he kind of has a girlfriend in the comics, too, which is the daughter of the whispers. Now, I thought that it was, I had originally understood that Carl wanted out, but the article I read last night was, that was not the case. Gimple came to him and said, came to him and his folks. during the beginning of the filming of episode six.

And Carl's like, oh, boy, something's happening because he, Gimple called him in to see him in his voice. Really? Yeah. And said, you know, I want to you know, this is what we're doing. Now, the rule of thumb here is that Carl said he had just bought a house down in Georgia. Should have never bought the house, man. Wow. That always happens, doesn't he?

He bought the house there. They were like, oh, you're going to. Well, but I do agree. Last year, the year before, his father, he tweeted something about, wanting to go to college and something about being out. Yeah. And from a PR standpoint, it's probably better for the producer to say they killed the character than for the actor to because then everybody hates the actor for killing the

point. That's true. Very good point. Gimple doesn't care. He'll take the hit all day long, but Chandler Riggs doesn't need to take the hit. That's a very good point. That is a good point. I really did.

I thought Carl was one of the untouchables. I'm pretty surprised at that. I mean, I'm really surprised at that. It's kind of weird that. Remember the dream sequence and the, in the very, was the first episode? Yeah, the old man, Rick. And Carl was in the dream sequence.

So I would, now, like, I'm calling it a dream sequence now. That's why they call it a dream sequence. It must been dream and not like, because some people were saying it was this flash forward, was this like in the future? I guess not. Well, in the beginning of this episode was Rick having some sort of dream flashbacks, too, of Carl.

He was actually having a flashback to episode one. So I'm just saying that I think that this was him, that was kind of a flash forward of him having a flash forward of him having a flashbacked. flashback. One thing I actually, one thing I'm actually, I read, I heard somewhere in a video

that this might, I don't I don't have the exact reasonings, but some people think it might be like the Glenn dumpster scenario about him getting bit. I know it's weird, but the what? The what? The Glenn dumpster scenario where we think he's dead, but not really. Nah, he's gone. No, but Glenn

never got bit. Oh, yeah. Glenn never got bit. I mean, they showed us the bite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, that's true. We did. But again, that doesn't mean he's gone off the series. He could show up. He'll show up.

He's in the next episode for sure. Yeah. And he'll show up. The next episode is where I believe, with the whole next episode, the mid-season premiere in February sometime. Unless they're pulling a Game of Thrones, John Snow, straight up lying to everybody. No, I don't think so. I don't think that they're, I think that he's, I think that he's, they're going to spend, they can spend a whole episode now of nothing but grieving for Carl.

who's going to kill him. Rick's not going to be able to. Rick's not going to be able to do it. Oh, please God, do not give us depressed Rick for another half of the evening. Oh, we're going to get him. Depressed Rick, at least for that episode, you can bet on it because he's going to be depressed. He's lost Carl. He's going to be the one that have to kill him.

How about this one? Carl doesn't want to put it on any his family members. They know he's dying. He knows he's dying. And right when he's about to turn, he steals one of the guns from the armory and just pops himself in the head. Which is why he wanted to get away in the first place when he was trying to get away. He was going to just go away and kill himself.

So then he had to do it. But, right? Because he killed his mom and he just wanted to go away. Well, I had forgotten now. So when they get bit, that accelerates. It kills their immune system. Well, yeah. And then you saw that that's what, you remember.

And in fact, I tweeted it. Like, what the hell is wrong with Carl? Snap out of it. But that's when he was sick. He was getting sicker from the bite. Yeah. Now I remember Jim in the first. few episodes

where he just they left him by the tree with the gun and it was a matter I mean it appears that it's a matter of like one bite and how healthy you are and probably how unhealthy the Walker is or how far the walker is along

how your disease progresses couldn't they give him a transfusion total blood transfusion I don't that'd be that's a good idea I mean I don't think anyone's ever done that technical we're getting into Well, why couldn't you? Why not?

I mean, we could pick one of the saviors and let's drain them gone. Why not? I mean, that's tremendous idea. And, of course, where you got bit, you can't really cut off anything. Yeah, I thought that was genius. No, but you could peel the skin. Yeah. You can peel the skin and then you could.

Throw some bleach on it. Throw some bleach on the cut. Right? And then do the... Heat up a knife and carterize the wound. And then do a transfusion. And then completely give them a blood transfusion. Why not?

It's worth a shot. That is worth a shot. That's Game of Thrones right there. What about? That's Walking Dead Game of Thrones. Close enough. Although Scott Gimple did say it's going to play out the way a bite always plays out. What about the fight between Rick and Egan?

I know. That was pretty good. Jason and Brad's both. Max has got to be happy with the fight. Except, come on, Rick. You come into the house. Michelle. I know.

Carl. Judith. Oh, it's really. dark in here. Negan could be around any, boom, corner, and he is. Gee, surprise, surprise. Good grief. And plus, I thought Deegan was going to be making

spaghetti. Right, yeah. So, he lied. He's a lying liar. What if he was, wait, he was, what if he was making spaghetti in the kitchen? In the dark? He heard Rick, and he was like, eh. Nah. I just, that irritated me. As soon as he walked in the front door, I was like, oh, man, he's

whispering and being quiet, so that means he's going to One thing, we talked about this off the air here last week that Jeffrey Dean Morgan in an interview at the beginning of the season said, during one scene later in the season, Andy accidentally broke my nose during a fight scene.

I was actually looking for that. And I was re-watching it with headphones on. And while I was re-watching the fight scene, when I hear the first punch, I swear I heard the nose crack. I was saying it might have been when he picked up that, whatever it was. No, he said Andy punched him.

He didn't say, Andy hit him with anything. So I swear from the first punch that Rick gave, Egan, I swear I heard the crack of the nose. And remember it is Hollywood, so he could have said that and they could have added the crack in post. But you never know.

Probably not. It's Hollywood. I think he actually asked them to use the scene where you actually broke his nose. Yeah, Brad. It's not fake. All right. Stop.

I was a little underwhelmed with it. I'll just do. You think someone that's like done what Negan is gun to him. I'm going to fill your kid with false hope. You're right. It was his nose breaking. And if you listen closely, you could hear the people on the roller coaster next door. You could.

Yeah, that's funny. And then, let's see, what else? No, I was actually, I'm with you, though, Jason. I do agree the fight was a little underwhelming, even though I was happy to see a fight. I was a pretty good fight. It was a good fight. I've moved on from the fight. We're done with the fight.

We'll just talk. You guys talk about this stuff. We'll be over here. So, anyway, I think the fight was actually... I was completely underwhelmed, Jason. You're right. We get a bite from Carl as he's saving homeboy from the woods with the walkers and the horse. We get the old lady gets shot from LGBTQIA.

Yes, like what are they doing? This did not make any sense. It made zero sense at all. Why would they do it? The Sadiq and... What's his... Oh, yeah. Oh, that where they were in the woods?

Yeah, you know, when Carl got bit. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's okay. We were making fun of that. We were like, what the heck was that? It made no sense. Well, now we know why. It was forced in.

Yeah. Well, then, and you had to give them to him last night. When the kingdom folk finally rose up. Who was? It was a black Muslim chick who just, she was the first one to get out there swinging. Yeah. True. So she had a set of, uh, Havas.

It was cool seeing the way Gavin worked things where he, Gavin was the savior that was speaking at the kingdom How you could, like I said before, some saviors are worse than Negan, some are not. Couldn't they have gotten like a more intimidating lieutenant? Well, and he looks like a young dog brown or something. He's pretty good, yeah, he is intimidated. You can only push people so far.

Yeah. And I mean, even the meekest of people, you push them far enough, they will come out like a rabid dog at you. Yeah. And I just thought, Yeah, exactly. These people have been pushed so far Yeah

I mean it was about time last night That especially the hilltop At least started swinging Because they looked like a bunch of wusses standing there Like sheep You mean the kingdom? Yeah what I said I meant the kingdom

The hilltop got off pretty unscathed They just let Maggie go They didn't kill anybody Yeah They killed that one dude but Yeah they killed And they have Jerry Right

Do they? They have Jerry but Maggie and them don't care about Jerry. They don't even really know Jerry. No, they don't know Jerry. No, we do, though. That's what I'm saying. So our boy from the Savius has Jerry.

And I think that he realized once Maggie was like, I don't care about him. Couldn't kill him. Fine, whatever. We got this guy, so. Yeah. And who was this guy? The audience is going to. No.

Not the guy behind Maggie who, was he in the last episode? I don't remember. And I didn't understand how Maggie picked the guy from the Savior. to kill you. She just grabbed someone. And why wouldn't you grab the douche who was like... Just grab the guy with the long hair. Everybody knows he's the ass. Why not grab him?

But instead you grab... No, I'm going to take extra number three back there. That's exactly why. That just that irritated me. That's exactly why. Because we would have had like four shocking things set up. Ezekiel's head on a post. Long-haired dude. Going bye.

And then car... I mean, I just... Well, here's the thing. So the saviors are just going to allow there are people to be in prison there in the hilltop? That's nothing. They don't know that they're there. So Simon didn't even bother to go in and take a look around. It doesn't make a lot of sense. And one thing I actually was saying to was that,

oh, crap, I can't remember. See, that's what happens. You don't drink enough milk, Max. Oh, what about Gregory? Oh, I would have shot him in the face too. That would have been another good one. I mean, there's so many shocking things they could have done that when you got to Carl, it would have been like, holy crap, what else can

and then that would have made, I think, Carl's bite even more shocking. Yeah. Because you still would have been, oh, that had to have been the shocking thing. It's a brave move, man. It's like, you know they lost a lot of fans off that. There's some people that are diehard comic fans. Did you look at, okay, screw this. Chandler rings Twitter feed last night was like, oh, man, you can't leave.

You can't. It was, I mean, and you watched the numbers on the replies to his tweet. they were going they were spinning off what did he say he said i'll i'll be back with you soon i mean he was kind of hey you know things happened i'll get back with you he was just like i'm off here for a while so he's not i just don't think the character is completely gone i don't know well i mean the character can't you know may not be completely gone if rick has you know continuous flashbacks of him and car that's playing yazi and that's what's going to happen i think we will see will We'll see him for the rest of the...

We'll see Carl for the rest of the season. Yeah, well, for sure. I mean, he's in this next one for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We've got eight more episodes, and then the flashbacks next season. And then... I mean, this opening episode of February is going to be...

It has to be good. It has to be good. It won't be. It'll all be death of Carl. Everyone's always said there's only two people that are immortal in this. Darrell and Rick. Where it was Rick and Carl. I never thought it was Rick and Carl.

I always thought it was Darrell and Rick. You killed Darrell. I always saw it as a father. and son, like, you know, survival type of show. That was what Rick was fighting for. It was the future. That's why I was like, it's it. That's like they'll never kill those two characters.

That's what made me think that now it's going to be about Rick and Judith. Right? Here's the thing Kirkman has said about the comics. He said in the comics, he could kill Rick right now if he wanted to. But Carl would then lead the group if Rick would. if Rick was dead in the comics. And? So, but they can't do that in the show if Carl is dead.

That's a good point. It's hard to lead when you're dead. Although some have done it. Can we quote you on that? Yeah, exactly. I mean, did you look that up? Well, here's what. Did you say that last night at three minutes after?

I believe that was in a tweet of mine at 807. You can, Rick now goes, Carl has become a martyr. Remember how he died, helping a stranger. Yeah. And that is what Rick is going to go off of. And we're going to get the deathbed speech from Carl. Dad, you've got to remember it's people. I know.

It's got to be agamized. You remember you've got to look for the good in people and it's about people and love people. And you've got to do that. And then Rick is going to have to go on in the name of Carl. I should tweet that right now. All right. So before we wrap it up and consider that we're on our. on our holiday leave.

I mean, I've got, I brought presents. Oh, man. For Brad and Jason. Max, you don't get anything. Can we open them? Presence at home. Or do we have to put them under the street? You can open them now if you'd like.

You can wait until Christmas. Okay, I'll open them now. All right. I can write them off. They're just Christmas presents for, you know, for you too. Thank you for being part of the podcast. Oh, this goes right next to the Rick. Yeah, I got a show.

Now we have right. Wait a minute. Now I'm going to be reminded of their romance. Every time I look at the Christmas tree. We forgot to talk about that one scene where Michone went berserk. That was good. It was nice to see her go berserk. And Rick, you know, kind of brought her back to the plan a little bit.

It was nice of her to get back into being. We're not on camera anymore, but they are pretty cool. They are very cool. It's Mishon and her katana. I know. That's dope. The hallmark, the hallmark Christmas. ornament of

Michone from the Walking Dead the Keeps, the Hallmark Keepsake. Thanks, Jeffrey. If I hang on to this for five years, you know what's going to be worth on eBay? Man, I could retire on this thing right here. I mean, I love it. For me, why would you say?

No, no, no, no. I would never sell it. You don't sell it. No, no, no, no, no. I was just in hypotheticals. I was all. I love it. You sure? Yeah. Oh, there was a one thing, one thing I One thing I forgot to mention was Daryl, not Daryl, Carl planting the smoke bombs around Alexandria.

What about it? He was leading the saviors in a circle to get everyone under the sewers. Yeah, good for him. And he was dying. He'd been bitten, you know that, right? Yeah. Okay. I know, that's when, that's when, if you look at my Twitter feeds,

I said, don't snap out of it. Uh-huh. Yeah, you did. But then we realized that he was bit. Yeah. The other saving, just as a side note, it's possible. Possible. Carl wasn't bitten by a human.

He was bitten by the horse. When he was saving a Sadiq, and he was bitten by the horse. The horse. The walkers were eating. That's possible. He's just getting sick. That's the smallest mouth on a full-grown horse I've ever seen. Oh, you know what a horse bite looks like.

That doesn't look like that's all. You don't want a horse bite looks like. I think not. It's a small mouth horse. Wasn't it missing its head? That's another... Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that.

That's another issue. Don't worry about that. Don't come to me with facts. Wow. All right. Thanks for listening. We'll see you. We'll see you at the mid-season premiere in February sometime.

Until then, bye and happy holidays and have fun. And we'll talk to you later. And bastards kill Carl.