Chicks in the Office - Brandon & Serene Interview, BIP Finale Recap + DWTS Winner Debate

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Subscribe to our YouTube > http://bit.ly/CITOYOUTUBE. Trent is dead to us (00:00-7:28). Norman is a magical dog (7:29-19:45). Dancing with the Stars finale (21:15-27:47). Todd & Julie Chrisley headed to prison (27:49-32:56). Kendall Jenner & Devin Booker split (32:58-38:08). Bachelor in Paradise finale recap with Kelly Keegs (39:33-1:22:51). Interview with Brandon Jones & Serene Russell – talking everything BIP this season, life since their engagement + more! (1:23:53-1:50:28). MERCH! > http://bit.ly/citomerch. Follow us on Instagram @chicksintheoffice and on Twitter @chicksintheoff + subscribe to our Snapchat show > http://bit.ly/thegroupchat.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/chicks-in-the-office

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people. It'll make you feel like you have people to be with on Thanksgiving. Speaking of, you know, people not here for Thanksgiving and not in the friends here ever. Just not here ever is Trent, Trent Ryan, who. is so dear to this podcast and we love him greatly but yet he has and the fans love him and he's just they don't know the real trend that's why he's just not giving

he's just not giving it he's just not giving it you know he's given a lot to the breaking 90 fans some may say too much but he's not really given anything to the chicks in the office fans and he hasn't been showing up doesn't show up hasn't been showing up he's got other shit to do he's got a golf blah blah blah blah blah and so cutting stems is tonight

you'll be listening to cutting stems on this podcast. If you want to listen to that, Bachelor finale was last night when you're listening. It's Tuesday right now when we're recording. And so we were like, Hey, Trent, are you going to make it to cutting stems on Tuesday night? He gave us a, you know, I'm going to go to Atlanta to film a Breaking 90. My flight's on Tuesday. Going to try to make it back. I'll be there at night. Okay. So we were like, perfect. We'll record as usual. No pre-tape, whatever. Tuesday's rolling around. I'm going, where the hell's Trent? I don't think this man's on a flight right now. Yeah. What the hell is going on? I text him. And

It is a, you know, like you said, it is a holiday week. People in this group have plans to go home. Majority of this office is gone. Everybody's basically gone already. It's empty. Yeah. So it would have been, would have been nice to know because we have the option of getting things done earlier to have done that. Yes.

And now instead. Like I said, people are traveling for the holidays. We will be going home at midnight. So besides the point, I go, you know, I'm going to Texas, this Trent guy, this Trent character, who even knows the real Trent anymore? I don't get an answer. So I go, I'm going to go to the source. Frankie Borelli, who is with Trent, with the Breaking 90.

And I said, I'm going to text Frankie Brelly because he'll give me some answers. I know he'll answer some. Yeah. So I text Frankie. I said, are you with Trent by any chance? That fake-ass bitch golfer? By the way, my texts were not nice, but sometimes you got to break him down. You got to break this guy down or else you're going to get nothing out of him.

we're still not getting anything out of him Oh, And true, yes That's not true I just I thought you meant like He's not here No, he's not going to be here But we got stuff out of him

Yeah So are you with Trent by any chance That fake ass bitch golfer He said ha ha ha yes I am He's getting put through the ringer With a golf coach right now I said so there's no shot He's coming tonight

When's your flight Frankie Bradley says 8 p.m. This is where I lost it I said that fraud He's such a liar liar liar. And then Frankie said, did I ruin something? You tricked me. I said, no, you didn't ruin anything. Trent did.

He told us he was going to try to make it back. All you did was tell us the truth. So thank you. He sickens me. Let him know that. And Frankie said, I just let him know. He seems to be affected. Quickly looked at his phone. Then I said, people probably think these texts are like really serious. I hope not. I would hope that people who listen to this podcast know me by now to know that I am joking. Yeah.

but you really never know. So let's put a disclaimer that I like to kid around. And so for the most part, I'm kidding. Yep. Please. The reality is Trent is still not here. Yeah, the reality is Trent's not here, but I just like to mess around. And I know that Trent laughs when these things happen.

But once again, yeah, I don't feel like having to explain my personality 24-7 on this podcast. Anyways, I said, consideration for the group would have been nice, dash Fran. Yeah, that's what Fran said. he kept us from our families and ruined Thanksgiving that was from Fran and Noah and then I said and he's disinvited to Thanksgiving please relate all of these Frankie said I will let him know this is heavy shit and I said tell him being nice is one thing but having no balls is another

that's my final statement and then we called him and we spoke to this man face to face and he claims he didn't know his flight was at 8 p.m. tonight I'm calling bullshit on that and we will be talking to the people who book travel at Barstle to know when his flight was booked. I said, send me his itinerary because I don't believe this man. Yeah. Rooting for him. Good luck out there, bud, because you're never going to break it with that attitude. And so he's not here. And Cunning Stimes is just me,

Bernie Kelly. Yep. He just, uh, this is all we need. Yeah, this is all we need, right, guys? We want people who want to be here. This was a tough, um, dedicated to the bachelor like myself. Like Maria Chiffo is dedicated to the bachelor. Couldn't be more dedicated. There's a, there, like, we said this last week, I think, that I feel like he's done, like, three episodes for. Right. He's suspended until January 23rd. It's a perfect amount of time, which is. And he's probably not going to be there.

The premiere of Perfect and Bachelor. You know he's going to miss the premiere for some reason, too. Oh, 100%. Oh, wait. The premier is tonight? Oh, I didn't know. Oh, I don't know. I'm still trying to break 90 years later because I'm such a terrible golfer.

I do. That's Trent for you. You know, who need, we don't need him. I need him. We don't need him. I need him. I need him. We don't need him. We don't need him. We don't need him. Trent brings great energy for me for the bachelor. I'm sorry. And I know the fans agree. Like, it's not just me. I love when Trent's around. So this is coming from a place of love. This is not coming from a place of hate. This is coming from a genuine place of love where I miss my friend. A place of jealousy. Yeah, I'm jealous of Frank. He keeps picking Frankie Borelli and golf over you. I'm very jealous. And unfortunately, I think it's always going to be that way. It is. Well, anyways, golf is the priority. I have a funny story about Norman. Oh.

So my sister. You still have that dog? Fuck off. Yep. So, Norman's great, everybody, by the way. Norman has become a family dog in which everybody loves Norman actually too much. Like my dad, this is not the story, but I was talking to my dad. And he was like, I love Norman so much that if anyone, if anyone were to do something to that dog, I'd have to do something to them.

I said, who's going to do anything to the dog? Like, what in what world are you living in that someone's going to do? He's saying, if anyone were to hurt that fucking dog, I'd hurt them. Who's hurting it? Who's hurting him? There's nobody hurting him. He is saving sound. They are so, he's going to go back to Florida with my parents when they go in the beginning

of January. And then we're going. So it'll be great. I'm going to have like a whole week and a half with Norman in Florida, which will be really fun. He's amazing. He's, he is living his best life. He's the happiest dog on the planet. I want everyone to know.

Because everyone's like, where's Norman? Is he okay? I'm telling you he's more than okay. He's the main focus of my family. Everyone's lives revolve around him. So my sister went to a psychic medium on Sunday, and the psychic medium was like, who's Norman? And my sister was like, the psychic asked who's Norman? Yeah, who's, swear to God, who's Norman?

Or who's Norma, Norman? And so my non-no calls Norman Norma. Of course he does. Because he can't. Yeah, yeah. So she was like, Norma, Norman, who is that? And my sister was like, my sister's dog. the dog. Like he's now, as my sister's dog, he's become like our family dog now. And the psychic medium said that he is connected to human spirits. And he basically talks to the dead. This is what they said. Norman. And I believe it wholeheartedly because Norman has such a human. I'm telling you, I know everyone feels that way about their dog. I know everyone feels that way about their dog.

But Norman was less that more like human tendencies. Psychic medium coming up with that. It's how would she pull that out of her ass? No, no, no, no. I agree with you. I just think that that's very interesting. I think that my dog's special, has special powers. And apparently he's just very connected to human spirits.

And somebody is trying to talk. So my mom kept saying when they were in Florida with Norman, that Norman kept barking into like the abyss. Like he just kept like there was something he was barking at, but they couldn't figure out what it was. And so my grandma passed away in that house. And my mom kept being like, oh, my mom's trying to talk to us through Norman.

I know this sounds crazy. Oh, boy. So you say, oh boy, but I believe in this stuff. I truly believe that there's like, whatever. I know. But. So my mom was like, wow. grandma's trying to talk to Norman.

And the psychic medium is saying that Norman Norman talks to human spirits. Norman has human tendencies and talks to human spirits. This psychic medium just pulled this out of her ass. It's very sweet. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She doesn't know anything about my sister. Norman is such a random name.

Is this a psychic that your sister has gone to before or a brand new one? Never gone to her. Okay. New one. New one. But she's gone to ones before. Yep. And there's always, always something comes up, something that connects. Oh, who's this person? They get the names. She said, who's James to my sister? My sister's husband's name's James. Yep. Just saying. So Norman is special. And Norman's a vessel. Norman is a vessel to the other world, the other side, which scares me that they're trying to pull him. They're trying to pull him to that side. It's like we want you here. That's like almost too much power for a little dog like that, you know? He has a lot of power. And I just, I know it sounds crazy, and I know, I know that everyone feels that way about their dog.

No, no, no. I don't think my dog has connections to the humans. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people think their dogs have connections to the other side. You're alone. I do not think my dogs have a connection to the other side. No, you don't think your dogs have human, like, tendencies and, like, act like humans? Yeah, human tendencies, absolutely. That's what I'm saying.

Okay. I thought you were more saying, like, I know everyone feels this way about their dogs. Is that they like connect the spirits? No, no, no, no. No, no. I don't, I never thought that. No, no, no, no. I just thought, like, Norman, like, really acts like a human. Yes, Lola is a little person all the time. It's crazy. And then my parents will say, like, Norman is you. Like, they'll be like, he has your personality.

Yeah. It's crazy. They're like, right from your boom. Right, like, I birthed him. That's, they were like, it's crazy. Like, as much as they're like, this sounds fucked up. Like, he acts like you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so my dog's talking to the dead.

That's what I learned from this, is that my dog is special. Anytime Norman's just like barking at something, you're going to be like, who's trying to talk to us? Come through. Who is trying to talk to us? Meanwhile, he could just like be a big dog. Well, there's a squirrel ramble. Yeah, yeah. Squirrel dropped an acorn.

Well, so my sister and I were on the phone last night, and we were talking about this. And she was like, you know, mom always said about the. thing where Norman would just bark at nothing in Florida at this one spot. And I was like, yes, but also like, mom's probably just saying that. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. Like she probably just wants, and this is very sad, but she probably is looking for any connection

to her mom. For sure. So she's saying, you know, Norman's talking to my mom. And if that's comforting for her to think that when Norman's barking in the backyard, it's at her mom, then that's beautiful. leave that and I think that's beautiful. Exactly. But who knows? All I know is that I heard that my dog was special this week.

Our dogs also just straight up dumb sometimes at Bark at Nothing? Yes. Yes. Norman is also stupid too. He's very smart but he's also stupid. Yeah. And that is what it's like having a kid. That's the beauty of having kids, you know? I imagine when I grow up and I have kids, I go, you know, she's the best, but she can be real stupid sometimes.

Yeah, I think that's what my dad says about me. actually my sister set on the phone last night that they were talking about something in our family and she said like my dad said something like Nicole I know you'll act the right way you always do the right thing Maria it's kind of up in the air

I was like what the hell does that mean damn I know they just talked shit when about the other person when like if they were on the phone with me they would tell that about my sister they'd be like you always do the right thing but Nicole up in the air They like to stir the pot.

And then we get on the phone with each other and I'm like, they said what? And he's like, you won't believe when Nicole said about you. Exactly. It happens all the time. I'm like, they just change up all the time. They got to stay entertained, you know. They are, they are entertaining. They are something.

And now they have a dog that speaks to the dead. So incredible. Yeah. What a saga for Norman. It is quite the life that dog has lived in two years. He has, he has lived. He has lived a life. He's been through some shit.

Yeah, yeah. You know? He has. And he's better than ever. That's all we can hope and wish for for Norman. We, you want to do some topics? Sure. I feel like I had more to say, though.

I wasn't really done talking about that or just other stuff. Just life in general. What do you guys? Any other plans? I don't have. No, I feel like I've really shared a lot of my Thanksgiving on Monday. Like, you know, I'm headed to Florida, relaxation. I don't really have too much.

too much else to add on at this very moment. My parents and Marty's parents are meeting this weekend. For the first time? Yep. Well, they've met like brief, like my mom met his dad very briefly. And then my dad and his dad have talked on the phone just like talking shit. Talking shop. So they already get along.

But like we're going to dinner. Oh, that's lovely. Yes, it'll be very nice. That's, well, isn't that beautiful? Yep. It is. I love the both of them. two families come together.

I'm actually, they can be trouble. They're a lot of fun. Both of them. They probably will be. They'll be trouble, but it'll be a good time. You'll be entertained. I will be. Yeah.

All right, let's get into some topics. I saw the menu, by the way, because I've seen people saying, I should see that after the weekly watch report. Great movie. What would you give it? Oh, yeah. We don't have an episode Friday.

We don't have episode on Friday. I would give it, I'll give it an A-minus. That's a good score. There was two women behind me who just were so obnoxiously laughing and talking the whole time. I want to kill them. Whoa. They were like, you know the people who just.

Like, you know how? Like no one just started that. It's like, oh, by the way, guys, saw the menu. Good movie. And then it's just like, oh, yeah, by the way, I wanted to commit a murder at the movie theater. You know when I said about the White Lotus and I said nobody says that something. makes them homicidal. You just know when people...

But I get there. You're like, I wanted to kill that person. When people are in a movie theater and act as if they're like in their living room. Yeah. When they're like, oh, don't go there. Like, it's like, you can't do that. No, that's inconsiderate. Yeah.

And then also just laughing, like out loud, like the worst laugh I've ever heard. Well, you can't blame it somebody for laughing at a lot. And I was looking around. No, but like at the worst parts and like at everything. It's like this doesn't deserve laugh. They weren't laughing at the comedy. It was just like... Like, brutal.

And I looked around. There were people. In every row looking, you know how you, like, you kind of like, turn your head, like, just to be like, hey, stop. Yeah. I did that like 20 times. Just to, like, make eye contacts so that they know that you know. How do you know?

I put my hood up. I'm like, come on, guys. Did you make? You were throwing out some deep size. Did you look at the other people in the audience to be like, get a load of these guys? Yeah. No, I looked around. There were a lot of people who were annoyed.

But I never, like, really was able to. What was the age? I think I would have been an A. I might have been an A, but I don't know because I was so distracted. Well, what were the age of these two women? I would say that they were probably in their late 20s, early 30s. Wow, immature. Yeah.

Immature and we didn't know of the movie. They suck. Disappointed. I'm sorry to hear that. I watched Jed to me the last season. And I just have to say that I adore Christina Applegate and Linda Cardalini like no other. And I think it's very sad that. Christina Applegate is struggling so much right now and also a beautiful video of Linda Cardellini

talking about her walk of fame star literally made me ball my eyes out but third season won't spoil anything but didn't love it didn't like way it ended didn't like the ending damn which is quite disappointing because it's the final season yeah and I just doesn't make me that excited just to watch it which is unfortunate because I was it was the worst of the three seasons oh no oh I don't like to that well maybe I'll disagree I'm obviously gonna watch it so maybe we'll disagree we'll see see what happens all right let's get into the topics for today's show we are going to be talking about charlie demilio winning dancing with the stars Todd and Julie Chrisley Chrisley knows best are going to jail folks they're being put away yep and devon booker and Kendall Jenner broke up

which is quite ironic because of monday's episode we also have an interview with brandon and serene from Bachelor in Paradise and Paradise and our cutting stems Bachelor in Paradise recap. Perfect. Let's get into it, Dancing with the Stars. Here at Barso, we are partnered with GameTime. Game Time is created by fans for fans. It's the ticketing app that makes it easier than ever to score last-minute deals on tickets to sports, concerts, and shows, and they guaranteed the lowest price.

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Two went to Gabby, three, Wayne, four, Shangela. I think that people kind of expected this. I think that maybe they thought Gabby would end up winning and Charlie would get number two because Charlie's a dancer. But no, Charlie came out on top. She got the number one. She did. And look, people are always very frustrated with the person with the dance experience winning the show. Always happens. I mean, like you brought it up before when Jojo C was on. She didn't win. But like when she didn't win, people were like, oh, she should have won.

Like, it just goes both ways. Like, no matter what, no matter who wins, there's never going to be a unanimous winner. Also, it comes down to voting. It comes down to voting. And when the final is, like, when the final is. like when the final is four contestants and not just like two it's not like oh it's easy when it's two it's easier for more people to just be on one side you know when it's four you don't necessarily need to have like the math the like the numbers just add up where you could when you win you

have the majority of the other from the other three but when those other three banned to and say, oh, she shouldn't have won because they each have their individual three people, then it seems like so many people are saying, like, oh, she shouldn't have won. But it's just, it just comes down to voting and scores and everything. And she obviously is a phenomenal dancer. We know that. I'm very happy for Charlie. I think she worked her ass off. I think she really wanted to win. It's hard because people I think fell in love with Gabby's personality on the show. She's very outgoing, funny.

Charlie's very shy. We know, you know, we've, you know, we've just from talking with her, we know that. That's just her personality. So I think like some people take that as not being super grateful sometimes because. Yeah, it's just not, she doesn't, isn't outwardly like so emotional. emotional and over the time and things when she told when it totally matters a lot to her i gabby was also phenomenal i think it could have gone either way between the two of them but it makes sense it just it makes sense for charlie to win it does and she people can be upset

because it's like oh she shouldn't be people say she shouldn't even be on the show in the first place but it is what it is and she put in a lot of effort her dances were absolutely spectacular and therefore it's a well-deserved win. Yeah, I think good for Charlie. Congrats to her. Congrats to Gabby for getting second. I think second is still amazing. I don't think that she lost by any means.

She's going to do the Dancing with the Stars tour. Charlie's going to do some spots. Some spots. She's a busy gal. Charlie, DeMille, very busy. And I do agree with what you're saying. I think Charlie is very, very shy. We have met Charlie in person multiple times, and she is very shy.

And I think if you follow her, you know that. if you don't follow her, then you don't know that. And so I think for the people watching Dancing with the Stars, they may not know Charlie so well and it comes across a certain way. But either way, congratulations to all of them. I think that Gabby, it was really awesome for her to show her personality and probably a great distraction for her. Middle of a breakup, you know, you don't want to be sitting around and, you know,

slumping around. And she got to dance and have fun with Val. And looks like she's met some good friends, good banter with Vinny. And I think she got some good things out of it. So I'm happy for her. her. Definitely. And her freestyle was amazing. It was like a full-blown Broadway performance. I felt bad that her shoe got stuck. I know. I know there was that moment. Thankfully, that was at the end. So I think the dance was done with at that point. Exactly. And that was it. And I do think like, so she's going to have awesome opportunities and dancing on the tour. I think she'll have like awesome opportunities to shine and do those things. And maybe something like that is in her is in her future. I mean, Charlie is just, and it is very impressive because I do. think Charlie has grown a lot in showing her emotions in her dances and really becoming a little bit

more theatrical. Her freestyle was beautiful. Mark choreographed like such a beautiful dance number. And I think it was very sweet to hear her talk about, you know, falling in love with dance again. And even Mark saying the same thing. Mark hasn't been on the show for five years and coming back and having the bond that they have. It was very, very nice. Like I said, the score has been amazing. I cried like a baby because it is this Lenz final episode. They did a montage to him of old clips. They had old contestants send messages and it was very emotional. I'm just, you know, he was getting emotional, which made me get emotional.

It was very sweet. So I'm very sad that his time is coming to an end, but it makes sense. And then there was just great moments. Everybody's dances were great. Wayne and Whitney were great. Shangela's freestyle was unbelievable. She just put on a full blown. Her own just drag show. Incredible.

Gleb came out in full drag. It was just, it was shocking and amazing and just like I give. I'm so happy that Gleb went all in and was like, we're fucking doing this and committed to it. And it made the dance so great. Sasha was like he was dancing around in a chicken wing Like he she literally threw a chicken wing at Lent Like in the middle of her freestyle

That's how that's the kind of dance they put together So it was so perfectly shangela She was a breath of fresh air For this show big time And so I think everyone should be really proud of themselves For the finale It was a really really good finale And everyone can say

Oh least shocking Leashocking whenever Charlie It's like that's so boring People say that when they don't really watch week to week it's like you see the cast and then at the end you're like oh who won that show oh charlie did shocker but it was a really great season i thought all and all i thought like it was great on disney plus besides some tyra blunders here and there it was a pretty well done season and i feel like it's just going to stay in like a good place on disney plus but it was a very good finale for sure

Justice is served Todd and Julie from Chrissley knows best my least favorite show to ever grace our television screens besides ridiculousness Yeah so I think Because I feel like we have not talked about

Chrisley knows best and maybe years Maybe since we were doing radio I don't think we've talked about Chrissy knows best since we were doing radio Because I remember there was like a scandal Some scandal with one of the daughters And we were on radio

and you just hit us with this line. Like you were just like, I hate this show more than anything. And we were all like, wow, you have so much, so much power behind the hatred for this show. And I feel like when we talked on radio, things came out a lot more. But I didn't really, I didn't really think.

Hey, it was live, live, baby. It was live, baby. Tyra Banks, it's live, baby. I didn't really think before I spoke a lot of times and it was kind of just like gut instinct, whereas now I think when we do the show, I'm thinking a little bit more like, how is this going to come across?

But I'm going to take that away for a moment and just go back to my radio thoughts where I think Chrissley knows best and ridiculousness are the two most annoying TV shows to ever grace our television screens ever. Chrissly knows best, their voices, everything about them

annoyed me to no end. I had a hatred for them that I didn't even know where it stemmed from. I just was like, I hate these people. They annoy the shit out of me. I don't even really know much about them, but I'm getting a bad feeling. And I think I have great intuition because clearly I was fucking right about these two. Criminals.

And ridiculousness is just like, just annoying because it just plays over and over and over again. That's a whole other thing. I like Rob Deer Dick, so no problem there. So I'll put that out of the question for right now. That's more of a problem with MTV programming. Right. Yeah, that's just like spice it up, like one episode of ridiculousness, then throw some other TV shows in there. Maybe do some reruns because you got them on Hulu now.

You got punked on there. You got Room Raiders. throw those back on and stop with ridiculousness. Anyways, even to old episodes of Fantasy Factory, I know it's sad RIP, but throw it on there. Anyways, back to Chrissley knows best. I just found them to be so, so annoying. Like, I was like, who watches these people on TV? Who's watching these people?

And yet, they're going to jail. Yeah, they're getting locked up. They were sentenced to prison and federal court on Monday. I knew I had a bad feeling about. them. These two were found guilty. Yeah, there was some weird shit with the daughters and stuff. I don't even remember correctly, but I was like, no good. Some of the older daughters have posted, like, kind of cryptic Instagram stories and things since this has happened, but they were found guilty in June of conspiracy to defraudence out of more than $30 million in fraudulent loans.

When will these people learn? When will these people learn to not be fraud? Mike, the situation should have taught you. Teresa Judi should have taught you. These people will never learn. Jen Shaw's going to jail. Todd's going to jail. Julie's going to jail. Everyone's going to jail for all around the same things. They might be called different things, but they all have to do with money. People want their money and they think they can get away with evading a lot

of these things. Everybody's so greedy. Well, listen, you'll have money. You could still be rich and not be as go to jail. That's it. That's my sentiment. You could still be rich and not go to jail. But these people, they try to escape

every little thing. They were found, also found guilty of several tax crimes, attempting to defraud the on arrest. Pay your taxes. Yeah. It's horrible. Nobody wants to pay their taxes. You gotta do it.

Taxes are awful. Nobody wants to pay them. Just fucking pay them. You have to. You have to or you're going to go to jail like Mike the situation. And Mike the situation came out a better guy. Yeah. He came out a better guy from going to jail.

But if he paid his taxes, maybe I'm talking myself in a circle here because I was going to say maybe not paying his taxes taught him a lesson. He turned out to be better. But just pay your taxes. Yeah. Nobody wants to pay taxes. Sometimes it's crazier to me, too, when it's people that are, like, famous and they're on TV. You know, you have such a spotlight on you already, and people know you have a lot of money, and you don't think, like, ha, I'll get away with not paying my taxes. But a judge on Monday sentenced Todd Crisley to 12 years in prison with three years of supervised release, and his wife, Julie, was sentenced to seven years in prison and three years of supervised release.

Holy shit. They're going to prison. Their accountant was sentenced to three years in prison and three years of supervision. supervised release. According to the DOJ, evidence in the case showed that the Crisleys were able to obtain the loans by submitting false bank statements, audit reports, and financial statements. The money was used to buy luxury cars, designer clothes, real estate and travel. Then, while earning millions of dollars on their former reality show, the Crisleys, along with their accountant, conspired to defraud the IRS and invade collection of delinquent

taxes. And that's, you know, that's it. The show's done, by the way. After the sentencing, they were like, the show's over. And that's a wrap on the Crisley's. Hey, maybe Crisley doesn't know best. And Finn. So look what we have here on Monday.

We talked about Kendall Jenner at Harry's concert. And, you know, I said, Kendall and Devin are always a little hot and cold. You never know what's going on. We finish recording. We wrap up. And bam, report from people comes out that. Devin and Kendall quietly split last month. Very interesting.

And you know what? It makes a lot more sense because when I think about it, if I was Devin Booker and I was in a relationship at this very moment with Kendall Jenner and she like took a fucking girl's trip to her ex's world famous exes concert and was singing and dancing and knew all the words to every song. I probably wouldn't be happy. No. But I did see something interesting about Harry Styles following Emily Radikowski on Instagram.

Oh, I did see that he did follow her. What's the interesting part about that? Just interesting. Oh, it is interesting that he followed. What if Pete Davidson starts dating Kendall? That wouldn't happen. No, no, no, no. They can't start getting into it.

And they can start saying never with that man. I would bet that he's not ever going to be with anyone other than Kim and that family. Oh, yeah. No, he wouldn't date another. And I don't think they would do that either. No, no. But no, that was, I did see that as well. But very interesting news.

I feel like they break up all the time and that's probably it for them. I'm still not sold on the Harry and Kendall. I'd like to be wrong, though. I'd like for this to come out in a couple weeks where it's like, Harry and Kendall are seeing each other. I'd enjoy that. Yeah. But I just, I'm not seeing it right.

You're realistically, you're right on the timing because he is all over the world and he's going to be all over the world for like the next year plus. the idea of the two of them potentially rekindling is very attractive to me. Like I just, I'm into that idea. I ship it. I think, as some say, as the kids say, I would love to see that reconnection happen. I would be fucking pumped if those two got back together. I would be excited too.

A couple of things, well, this just reminded me of that. I thought it was funny that Justin Bieber posted her Haley Bieber's birthday, but it was already her birthday in Japan. And Haley Bieber made it very fucking clear everywhere that it wasn't her birthday yet. Like, who can't? You know what I mean? Well, I think maybe she did it more because maybe friends or like acquaintances. I would guess people were maybe reaching out and being like, oh my God, like so sorry I missed your birthday.

Like happy birthday. So she just mass posts on Instagram like it's tomorrow. That makes more sense. For it to be like, people missed her birthday. I was thinking more, she was just like, wait till tomorrow. Yeah, no. If I had to guess, because if I'm like, if that's me in the situation, first, like, first all, I know when your birthday is.

But if, like, if Marty had posted the day before, like, this whole long, beautiful birthday message, it would make me question, like, holy shit, did I miss her birthday? Yeah, that is true. Like, did I go until 8 p.m. and not wish her a happy birthday? like fuck so i would have texted you immediately been like oh my god like i'm so sorry so i feel like so many people may be like oh my god we're so sorry it's your birthday and her being like no no just just said it early ha ha ha classic second jesus julya fox saying that she dated conier to get him away from kim yeah honestly i i love it i love it it's such a spin it's a phenomenal spin i really

really like julia fox so do i i appreciate everything she says and i think that she is like a girl's girl and all that. I'm sorry, that's the one thing I'm not buying from her. Yeah. Is it? Oh, no, I just dated him to get him away from his ex.

I just really thought it would help Kim. Like, that's not why you date somebody. Maybe that idea did cross her mind after, but maybe like a little bit like she was interested in Kanye. Yeah, yeah. Because remember the whole long thing with each other? Like, she liked him at the time.

Yeah. So I think maybe in her head a little bit, she was like, oh, I like him also. He'll stop bothering. But, no. You don't date somebody so they stop bothering their ex. No, no. That was absurd.

I love that. I love that line. I just love that line. I thought that was a phenomenal spin. But I just love that people are buying into it. Like, oh, no, Julia Fox is such a good person. She wanted to get Kanye away from Kim, so she dated Kanye. No, she dated Kanye because she was interested in Kanye.

Yeah, yeah. And then that could have been a, not a benefit, but just like a side thing. That was a side thing. Oh, I'll stop bothering Kim. Maybe that'll help Kim or she thinks about that now. But yeah, I probably. There was definitely, she definitely didn't go into dating Connie West being like, I'll go on a few days with them.

This will so help out Kim. Right. Like, as if her and Kim are like the best of friends. Yeah, yeah. What if Christina are facilitated it? Like, hey, Julia, like, I'll pay you. Hey, now that I think that's a good theory. Look, that's an idea.

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Because he's a fake-ass bitch band golfer. That's... That's facts. Sorry. That's facts. We thought we could get him for the finale. No. And we couldn't.

I'm afraid he's going to start taking me seriously, though. I've been very mean to Trent today. So I just wanted on record that I'm kidding. But I'm also not kidding, Trent. But I am kidding. I'm like not really kidding that much right now. I was so mean to Trent today that I like had to start being clear that I am kidding. Yeah, but he deserved a little bit of meanness because he just lied.

He just said he doesn't want to tell us the truth because he doesn't want to hurt our feelings. And then it fucks up all of our plans. Well, what I said to Frankie Braley to relay to Trent was there's being nice as one thing and having no balls as another. And you are, you are now in the territory of having nothing hanging from there. There's nothing going on. can't tell us that you can't make the show. Just tell us you can't make the show. Stop leading us on.

If he was watching himself on Bachelor of Paradise, he would say stop leading them on. Just tell them you can't make the show. Exactly. And that's where we lie with Trent. Exactly. He's breaking 90 right now, but not actually. That's why he has to keep filming it because he'll never get there.

Yeah. And he just keeps picking that over us and this show. Just more important content. Well, guys, this is the finale. We have a lot to. talk about we made it to the end paradise has officially wrapped we got to see monday night which couples left together ended up leaving uh but staying together or just decided to break up and then the couples that decided to stay now we've been saying for quite some time these last few weeks that

this was going to be slightly anticlimactic because Brandon and Serene Locke, done deal. We knew that that was happening. Johnny and Victoria was just completely spoiled for us. So when that ended Monday night

and they were the only two left, it was like, well, what could they do to spice things up? Producers thought, oh, we'll have Greg show up for the reunion. Definitely spicy. Definitely spicy. But didn't quite, I don't know what it is. That was something. That was something. And they were very brazen. They're very much like, I don't know

if it's like Jesse's line of questions, or like not digging deep or just having it be edited into a very short version. You don't get that much juice. Like in the Johnny Victoria, Greg, that whole

interaction, I expected to have more like, ooh, moments and I didn't think that there was one. But we can start with the couples on Monday, who of course broke up, who We knew we weren't got to stay together. Yeah.

The twins and Flo and Chenay and Chenay. We knew that was done. Monday felt like the red wedding. Like everybody just broke up and left. Yeah, everyone. Within like five minutes. Everyone was like, all right, had a good time, time to leave. Yeah, exactly.

Great times. All the rings started coming out and they ran. Yeah. You know what? We got a free vacation. They were out of here. Yeah. So we could go by a couple here.

I mean, Kate and Logan, Kate kind of just like, bombed him at the rose ceremony with a speech of how just was never going to work and that she left. That was crazy. And to be honest, I don't think I saw that coming that early. I thought that they would at least get to like leaving the beach together. Like I thought I definitely didn't think there was an engagement happening. I thought there was going to be leaving the beach. And then of course,

an inevitable breakup like five minutes later. But I really thought that she was going to see through it to the end and kind of be like, Logan has shown that he's growing up or trying to act with her or whatever. But, no, she just, she wanted a rich man. He can't work out in an equinox, Kelly. She's not spending one day in the real world with him. It's unbelievable. And that obviously went into the reunion with Logan kind of realizing all the things that Kate had said about him behind his back.

Logan tried to look like a grown man. Logan, I don't know what he dressed up in a mock turtleneck and a blue neck. It made him look younger. He slipped his hair and parted it. It was like, he looked like American Psycho. He was speaking and like, he was trying to use like big words. And he was like, and I feel as if the outcome of this situation, it was like, Logan, you don't talk like that. He studied his dictionary right before he went out on that.

Which I'm on Logan side when it comes to Logan and Kate, but tonight he definitely was like, I'm a grown man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he wanted us all to know. But the more that Kate talks about being. Oh, my goodness. It's dusty. The more that Kate talks about being like a grown woman. needing a grown man, the less

grown woman she comes across. Without question. The more immature she comes across. The first time you say that, I think that you're, I think that you sound immature. I'm 33. Yeah. Okay. Bitch. What do you want to do about it? My sister in Christ, I am 33. Like, cool.

What does it matter? I know. And I do, I do think, I don't know, this, it's tough for me because I feel like in real life, all the girls on the show are either friends with Kate or defend, Kate, which makes me think that this just really took a turn for her

and I don't know if she thought she was being funny, playing it up for the cameras and it definitely came across in a very unattractive, unappealing mean way, but I don't know if that was necessarily her intention. Of course she said you know, I was just talking to my friends but Logan's like

you're miced up. You know what you're saying. Kate posted on her story this evening she wrote, in light of the reunion tonight I want to speak directly to you all. I deeply apologize for the classes things that I said. paradise this season. I was shocked when I saw the show myself and I cringe just as much as you guys did watching it. If I could take it back,

I would. I've apologized to Logan, but want to extend that apology to anyone who may have been offended by those comments. I've nothing but respect for Logan and the rest of the cast and I'm still so grateful to have gone in this adventure with them. Classist is the perfect way to describe it and I never once said that and I didn't realize it until then, but that's exactly what she was doing.

She was just like poor shaming him every chance she got. Basically calling him a fucking loser dog walker. It's like, I She was out. It was weird. She was like, he's a dog walker. What did he say that he was, like, proud of that he told her and that she made fun of him? Was it his car? Yeah.

No. She didn't like that he drives a Honda. Yeah, she said that he was starting to talk about his, like, new ventures in his career, and that she laughed at him. Right, exactly. Which is fucked up. It's fucked up. You just, I don't know. Like, don't, be encouraging.

You never know who you're dealing with. You never know, like, I don't just be nice to people. Everybody starts somewhere. Totally. Everybody comes up at different speeds. Totally. It's true. I'll say this, you are a very nice person.

Thank you. Are you being fucking making fun of me? There's no way, that's true. No, no. You are, though. I try to be a nice person. In real life, in real life, I'm a nice person. In a weird way, you are one of the nicest people that I know.

That's really nice. It's really nice to say that. Thank you. Because, like, there is a part of you. If you're my friend, I'm a very nice person to you. I think that's what it is. If you're my friend, if I, like, if I care for you, I'm very nice. You're just very, here's an example.

When we're all in a group chat, yeah, yeah. And somebody says something. Oh, Rhea, this is Rhea's go-to example for Kelly. And Noah says it too. Yeah. Yeah. That you are always going to respond, and it's going to, you're going to act the most interested, even if you probably don't care. That's true, that's true.

And it hurts me to think that you don't care. But you always act like, you like, like, it's always like capital letters like, LMFA yo, like paragraphs. And then it's like exclamation points. And it's like, oh my God, ha ha ha. Like, you are a great, like, texter. Like, yeah, I do. I am a good tax.

It really comes across like you can. Because I like to, I emote via text the way I would in real time. Like, if you were talking, I'd be like, oh, my gosh. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, it might not be, like, cackling, peeing my pants, but I am, like, definitely laughing out loud for a second. Like, it's for real. And, yeah, I don't know.

Somebody takes the time out of their day to send something that they think that we're all going to laugh at, we're all going to like, whatever. Oh, look at it. So that's why I laughed when you just said that it. It's not that hard to be a nice person because I was like, Kelly saying it's not that hard to be a nice person. But then I was like, you know what?

Kelly is nice. I am nice. To people she knows. Yeah. Well, if she doesn't like you, she's going to be mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you're mean to me first, then forget it. Yeah.

Oh, boy. Aaron and Genevieve also broke up in that moment, which was not surprising, but also surprising. No one expected an engagement, but I think everyone thought, oh, maybe these two could leave together. They could try and make it work in the real world. but no

I literally had a revelation No it's funny You are nice Like no Huh People you know It takes a while for people to get there But they get there

Somebody said Wait stop I'm so high right now But Kelly has likes for days It could be a ballerina Wow everyone's been No you guys stop I'm so close to crying

Like don't say Kelly's been waiting for a reason to cry this evening So I texted my friends in advance Like when I get off the plane tomorrow, I was like, you're going to pick me up. And I'm going to need, like, an hour to just deep breathe and cry a little bit. Like, just let me have my sunglasses on. Like, it's like the relief cry. I kind of see it forming in your eyes right now.

Yeah, like any minute, you know. That might be me when I see my dogs tomorrow. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Anyway. Genevieve and Aaron. Oh, so Aaron basically was like, so, you know, that whole thing with you leaving. And every time there was a fight, you left.

so for that reason I'm out and I don't think we work and I think Genevie was so surprised she just didn't say anything and then she went back and tried to argue with him she's like you're blaming this all on me she does that every time she never knows what to say in the moment she always up an argument she is silent

storms away silently goes to her room starts packing her stuff thinks about something to say and then runs up on him and bitches him out to be honest that was a more mature response than I felt some of the responses have been between them because they have They have been very reactive, and I felt like she actually took a minute to think about it and was like, wait a second, he just put that all on me.

I'm not the only reason why this isn't going to work. Oh, this time I fully agreed with her. Yes. I agree with her entirely. And now, allegedly, from some tweets of Genevieve's and whatnot, Aaron apparently had multiple women at home that he was seeing one or two. And once again, he's headed to the beach. I mean, at the end of the day, Aaron just cruised through Paradise once.

again. Got to the end, was like, nah, I'm out, had a fun time with my boys this summer. And I'm just like, we can't have this guy back on Paradise. This guy is not allowed to come back. No. All he wants to do is chill with the boys and break hearts. It really is all he wants to do. And he'll turn

on the charm and act sweet and cool. Like, I feel like I remember at the beginning of this. Like it just seems so fake. Like that whole, every interaction for the entire season now, even when they were talking to the reunion, it's like he's trying to be amicable. I'm like, yes. everything, you're making everything seem just fake.

Calculated and stupid. And I feel like in halfway through this season, I changed my mind about Aaron. I thought like, oh, he's genuinely, he might be a good guy. He might actually like Gen. He almost got us. Yeah, he really almost got us. And here it is again, ladies, never fucking trust. Like, there is no trust.

Don't. Zeebriot don't change his strides. So maybe Gabby and Rachel were right about Logan as well. Yeah. Yeah, you make a good point. You make a good point. Who might, good couple. Michael and Danielle left together.

Very happy, very much ready to start their life together. They, in the reunion, they're in love. She's moving to Akron. They could not be more in love. I'm so happy for them. I'm so happy for them too. I think they're a great pairing. Unfortunately, this one also was, this one was big time spoiled for me.

and I just had to hold it in because... Oh, yeah, you kept it underwrite. Because Vogue, I went to go look at the beautiful photos of Wells and Sarah Highland's wedding and they had a full Vogue spread.

I'm going through all the pictures. They always take a big Bachelor photo at all the weddings. It's like the thing they do. Everybody that's from the show, they all take a picture. I go, I see the picture. Smack dab, center.

Michael and Danielle together. Oh my God. So I guess that's a paradise thing. And they were there. They looked very coupled up. up and clearly they are together. She has met Michael's son. Things are going really well.

They just, they're really good pair. I'm just really happy that they found each other. I'm not kidding. Like that kind of stuff, I can't even talk about it. It really pains me for the both of them what they went through. So I'm really just happy that they found each other because they probably thought that they could never find somebody else again, but they found each other.

I agree completely. sweet, Reha. That was really sweet. Thank you. You're really nice too. Thank you. No, you're right though. You're right. It is, and whenever people come together, not like in, with undertones of tragedy, but when they have a shared bit of grief, I feel like it takes the pressure off that grief. Like, if like, you know, Danielle's got something going on. So it's not like Michael has to walk around all the time being like, you know, my wife's like, like, well, it's like kind of a kind of like a big, big, big bit of baggage. You know what I mean? And if he says he misses his wife, she's not going to freak out.

She's not going to get upset because she knows what it's like to miss her fiance. Exactly. So it's kind of like a, right, they have necessary things in common that help make the relationship work. And I think that that's really nice. Yeah. I think that I know Brandon and Serene really feel like the big success story because they did get engaged. But Michael and Danielle is definitely up there. And I hope that things continue to go well for them as they start their life together in,

Ohio. And that's, I'm trying to think if anybody else was left on the beach. I think that was, oh, Tyler and, oh, Tyler and Brittany left together. And they were, like, in love and ready to start their relationship. Come, come out to the reunion. Tyler is just taking hit after hit. He's a sad sack up there.

The guy's saying that Brittany broke up with him and that, I guess, she, like, had, I don't know, she just didn't feel it anymore. She phasimed she took a trip to Italy She phasimed him was like this is This is done or like she needed a break That happened on the same day that Rachel broke up with him on TV I mean really the hits kept on coming They really do and I feel bad I officially feel bad for him

Like I feel bad I feel like he's a nice guy I feel like everybody just has amazing things to say about him all the time He's a good looking guy He seems to like want to be in these relationships He wants to be in the situation But it's just like these are the situations where I'm like Jesse Jesse follow-up questions, my guy?

Why not ask, hey, Brittany, what caused you to make these decisions? Where did it come from? Why did you, what went wrong? Explain that Italy thing today? Again? So apparently... She was in Italy?

Okay, so this is mixed in with a little bit of reality, Steve, and a little bit of what they said, because I think Reality Steve got a lot more scoop on the reunion than they left in. So apparently, Tyler wanted Bruce. Brittany to go out to some event in L.A. or like his family, something was in L.A. And she said she didn't have the money and he said he would pay for it. She said no.

And then she flew herself to London and then Italy. And she was in Italy. She did like a solo trip. And then when she was in Italy, she called him and was like, this is not working. Yeah. Very confusing. I mean, so she's getting some Italian dick. Like you don't just go on a solo trip to London and Italy and then break up with your boyfriend. Hey, real quick on the phone, like, hold on, excuse me, you know, Fernando. I need to go break up with my boyfriend on the fucking phone. Real quick. Real quick. Major gaps in that story.

There's so much more to that relationship that we don't know. And I wish we had more info. I don't want to say it again. But what do I say about Brittany? I said there was something about her that I didn't trust. And here she is again. Why are you going? Something I didn't trust.

And I didn't trust. And I, I didn't trust. I have to keep trusting my gut. Victoria F also, still a cunt. Have to keep trusting my gut. Like, why? No, no, she is. She is.

Because you are on her side tonight for some reason. I'm not even on her side. I'm on neither of their side. It's more just like... I think they both were stupid, but I think that she is manipulating Johnny a little bit. I think she's got giving the run around over something that was a little bit shady on her side.

And Johnny's just kind of like the doofist, like, I don't really know what to say. And we both fucked up, but she's trying to make it look like he fucked up worse. And I don't like, that. I think I'm more finding it funny. Like not funny. Like I just think the, everything's ridiculous. I think

it's more like the Greg and Victoria situation of going to Italy and getting tattoos and say chow is making me laugh. They're like embarrassing. It's like so funny to me that I'm almost respecting it. Like I'm like, wow, they got they thought that was groundbreaking. They were like, we got matching tattoos.

I love you guys. I know. The way it's chow. It means hello. It also means goodbye. The way Greg goes, It's chow. It's Italian for high. And also Greg was like, oh, we're doing this right now. Like, to me, see, my Greg didn't want to be on stage. And I know people are Greg wanted, like, face.

I don't think Greg wanted. But I think she exposed too much. I don't think Greg wanted to be on stage. I think they had to have Greg come because they were like, Victoria's with Greg now, whatever. Yeah, yeah. They're happy, good for them. I like them as a couple.

I'm curious about Greg, though, whatever. But then also with Johnny, I'm like, what's going on with you? Did you call her a cunt? because if so, I'm out of there. Right, that is also, if you call, if you call your girlfriend or fiance a cunt, a stupid cunt. A stupid not even just a cunge. Oh, I'm out of it.

It's not even, I'm out of there. I'm out of there. I'm going to Italy and getting matched tattoos and say, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That's fair. So, that's why I'm kind of like sprinting to the tattoo parlor. I'm curious to know, though, like, yes, he allegedly, that's what we're hearing that he called her a stupid cunt. I want to know, though, what it is that she said to him that he's like, you wouldn't want me to say it.

Like, you wouldn't want me to say what you said. I think the two of them were really toxic. I think from what we saw on the show, Johnny has some insecurities. He very much laid out there that he felt like he wasn't good enough for Victoria, which was just going to get amplified to the nth degree in the real world

because she is a hot commodity, and guys are going to freak out over her, and he probably couldn't handle that. They were also in a time where they couldn't be together. This is like the engaged, but like they're living separately because they can't be seen together. So she's probably out doing her thing.

He's worried. He's probably saying shit he wants to take back because he doesn't know what's going on. And Victoria's like, this is going to be a disaster. They fight. They get into all these fights. She's like, this isn't going to work. And, you know, she's maybe texting her pal Greg on the side

who also is getting out of her relationship. And she's like, he's like, Greg, John, just called me a stupid con. Yeah. And Greg's like, let's go to Italy. And that's what I'm saying. And it just amplified. But it also just amplified, I think, because it's a situation where, like, Greg and Victoria have been friends.

So I'm sure Victoria was doing the classic girl move of like, no, we're just friends, we're just friends. And then the second, like, Greg shows interest. She's like, mm, okay. And because Johnny's like, I asked you and you said nothing was going on. So now what am I supposed to believe? This was also some missing pieces from what reality Steve said happened at the reunion. was Johnny said that he and Victoria were in couples counseling for three weeks after filming. Victoria said Johnny called her a stupid gun, and she claimed he told her she didn't cook her clean,

so what good was she as a woman? We heard her say that. Johnny admitted he said things he shouldn't have and that he regretted, but that he never called her that. Johnny said he didn't want to air dirty laundry, but eventually said Victoria threw a wineglass at him and told him she was out of his league. They didn't air that. Oh. They didn't air that.

Fuck, I wish they did. Tyler was out there with the rest of the cast, and he said he heard from a reporter that Victoria cheated at a party in L.A., and she was telling everyone she was very much single. Victoria went off and started yelling at Tyler, telling him to be quiet, and this didn't involve him. Not good. So I think they cut that part out too, but they showed.

I mean. But they showed Victoria being like, Tyler, stay out of it. See, here's the thing. So, like, we see Victoria being like, you called me stupid cunt. So in my head, I'm like, wow, he called her a stupid con. Yeah, of course. But then if Johnny was like, you threw a wine glass at me and told me that, I was out of your league, I'd be like, that's awful too.

Also, though, can I say? Sometimes maybe it sounds like a little bit, maybe she was acting like a stupid cunt. Like, I don't know. Like, that's just, you know, it doesn't just sound like, Kelly, Kelly, Kelly, don't do it. It kind of sounds like, I think it sounds like they were both bad to each other. Toxic, not a good pairing. I think they were bad to each other. They're bad.

Because you can't throw a wine glass that someone say, no. I'm out of your league. That's embarrassing also. That's so embarrassing to say. That is really. While true. It's embarrassing to say. It's embarrassing.

Victoria and Greg wouldn't say that. You can't be like, I'm so much better than you. I'm out of your league. That's so embarrassing. Okay, but here, so now we have to play the different scenarios, though. But this is why they got to show everything because you go, say Johnny says, you can't cook and you can't clean. And then so Victoria gets offended. She goes, well, I'm out of your league.

Okay. But then what if Victoria says, I'm out of your league? And then Johnny says, well, you can't cook and you can't clean. Like, you know, the story changes. in which way the things were said in what order, in what chronological order were things said because then the story changes on whose side you're going to be on. So I think they're both bad.

The way that the video and I think they're both bad, and I think Victoria and Greg, that's going to blow up to. Can you tell me if you call this? They, uh, when Victoria said the quip about like the cook and clean, whatever, Johnny, like, rolled his eyes hard and was like, what the fuck? And then was like, that was a part of like a joke conversation or more of like, You don't even cook, you don't even clean. Like, it was kind of like, oh, half and half, like a little bit of a truth to it.

See, that's not like a real style. Like, love is blind. What's her face? What's her face to the, to Cole? Zay to Cole being like, can you pick up your towels? Can you do shit like that? Right, but that's not really a joke. It's not really a joke.

But it's also not worth, like, I'm out of your league. Like, that's crazy. Like, you can't be saying that. You also can't call somebody a stupid cunt, though. The last, I think they're both. I think we got to land on their both. They were both bad to each other. And they were both.

They were both up there lying about something to each other. Victoria was lying about something and Johnny was lying about something. And Greg was just there to be like, we got matching tattoos that I wish we weren't telling the world this right now. I don't think Greg wanted the world to know they got matching tattoos. Because Victoria was like, look, we got matching tattoos. And Greg was like, we're doing this right now. Like he was like, fuck. I think Victoria is kind of like crazy-bub vibes.

Yeah. I just think Victoria is all in very quickly. She's like a love bomber. And, like, she just... Which is, that's fun. It's bad. She's losing and crazy. She's got...

She can get a guy wrapped around her finger. They got fucking matching that. Like, they were like, hey, we can't go on a first date in New York, so let's go to fucking Rome. Which also, like, I won't know details on that. Why is Greg always running off the Rome?

Is he rich? Is he rich? Also, why would they think nobody was going to notice them in Italy? Flites are very... Let me tell you. There's a lot of tourists there. Yeah, there are. Totally.

I mean, I honestly think... They're gonna notice you. Thinking of, like, the text messages between the two of them being like, genius idea. Let's just go to fucking Europe. Let's go on a plane together. Nobody's gonna know.

The place of Europe are expensive as fuck right now. They just like, oh, let's just... A couple of tickets to whirlwind one day. The last thing Steve wrote was, Victoria and Greg were talking pre-Paradise, but nothing serious. He had his ex and didn't go to paradise. She went on, but she told Johnny about it.

Then he'd see Greg texting her, but she assured him she and Greg were just friends. Johnny found out through social media about the Italy trip. So Johnny, probably feeling extremely betrayed. I'm sure he said some things he regrets as well, and those scenarios probably got very ugly. You know, remember those, there was

like one girl during Victoria when she was on Peter's season. I was talking about how she was like in Virginia Beach, just breaking up couples left and right. Yes, yes. And she commented on that post and was like, so who believes me now? That's fucking hilarious.

She's going to do the same thing to drive. She's got a questionable track record. She might eat Greg up and spit him out. But Greg is clearly along for the ride. So, you know, like... See, but that's almost why I respect Victoria because I'm like, she's clearly showing us who she is. That's fine.

I respect the fuck out of that. I enjoy Victoria this season as well. I liked her very much on the season. I thought she was very entertaining. I've always disliked her. However, other times I've disliked her because she pretended to be like, whoa, was me.

I don't act like that. Yes, you do. just don't like to it. If she was like... Then I like you. Then that's fine. Like a little bit more of like what she was doing on stage tonight with Greg where she was like and everyone was like, ooh, they were like kind of cringing.

But at the same time you're like, all right, at least she's getting up there and saying it. That's what I'm saying. That's fine. As long as if you're honest about it, who gives a fuck? But if you're in a bit of weird, then it's, then I don't like it. It also made me laugh when she said to Jesse. She was like, Jesse. Also, you have to remember, this was five months ago.

Five months being such a long time. Like, she's got a full-blown boyfriend. Like her and Gregor, it wasn't even like, oh, we're just casually seeing each other. It's like, no, no, no, no, they're dating. Like, the thing is, it wasn't like Johnny and Victoria were engaged for that long. Yeah. No, not at all, but it's fast. It sounds like it was three weeks afterwards, and things went badly.

It was the end of the summer. Yeah. And then, what, like, I don't know. It sounds like, I don't know. It sounds like things are sketchy. They were not meant to be. Unfortunately, you got to feel. I know.

I felt bad. I also want to hear what Tyler has to say. I did feel bad thinking about Johnny thinking about how he said that people like always leave him for something else and I was like damn But maybe if he didn't call them stupid cunts they wouldn't leave yeah, so you never know that's what I'm saying Like when Johnny's like oh everybody leaves me I don't know he seemed pretty adamant that he didn't say that like that like that's not like I don't know like I don't talk like that Which do you could you imagine him saying that like I really can't also I don't know You seem very passive but who knows you really never know what he's like You don't know what either of them were saying

That's true. Fran, you said it. Why did we hear nothing from Andrew about this whole thing? Guys, I don't know what they were dealing with this reunion sometimes. I also don't know with the format. Monday night, they had a 10-minute recap of the season. We don't need the recap. We just watch the whole season.

It's crazy. Don't waste time. Give me those 10 minutes for the reunion so I can hear, did Andrew ever talk to Teddy? Did he reach out? Have they spoken? Did anything happen from that? Those are all questions we still have, They just didn't give us any answers.

Jocena was there. Encee was there. No questions between any of them. Justin barely spoke. It was like Rodney and Eliza. They were going back and forth. Eliza was saying she made a mistake on her mistake of her mistake. Yeah.

And it's just, you know, really backpedaling there. And maybe something happens with Rodney. Maybe it doesn't. But Justin tweeted too, like, I think he said something along the lines of, you know, you are on stage saying it was a mistake. but you told me your decision on Paradise was a mistake. Like, what was the mistake? Where was the mistake?

I'm officially hashtag done with Eliza. I'm done with her. I just, I thought maybe she could, like, help herself, dig herself out of a little hole tonight. I think Eliza's sweet. I do. I think she really got caught up in the moment. I really do. I think she like.

I don't know. I don't like someone who's, like, that indecisive. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's just, I think she got caught up in the moment. attention from these two guys Justin I don't want to blame this on like Justin coming back but oh I think that's fair to do that you know they would have been I'm sure now she thinks like God things maybe would have been so good if Justin didn't come down but that's not

what happened maybe they'll rekindle things maybe they won't but that was kind of the last bit Jill and Jacob I think are together right now love it which is absolutely amazing fan I'm a mass they might be my favorite couple I'm a big fan. I hope they stick it out. I think they're great. Romeo and Kira also together still is well.

Shocked by that. Shocked. Absolutely shocked. They spent about 0.5 seconds talking about that. Yeah. But I'm hoping the best for Jill and Jacob. I really am. I think that they compliment each other greatly.

She was posting on her story, cute picks of them together, tagging him. A couple of freaks. A couple of weirdos. A couple of weirdos. They match well, I think. They match well.

I really think they match well. So I hope they stay together. And Brennan and Serene are in love and engaged and happy. And they're on our episode of Chicks in the Office tomorrow. So we'll save all the Brandon and Serene discussion for Brandon and Serene themselves. Let's take some questions, shall we?

Ria, what do we got from YouTube today? Do you think Victoria thought Greg would be in paradise and that's why she went? No, because if Greg and Victoria were, friends, Victoria knew that he was dating someone. Yeah, true. Because he was dating someone when they filmed. Like, that's

why he didn't go to Paradise. He had a girlfriend. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. True. So she definitely knew that. What are our thoughts on The Bachelor promo? Um, you know, it seems it was just enough drama where I'm like, I think I'm going to enjoy that in two months.

Yeah. You know, I think there's going to be enough time. I think, Zach, as of right now, please. please God don't make me regret saying this it feels like an unproblematic season where everyone's talking about how

emotionally great he is or emotionally intelligent was being thrown around a lot sliding in all the right those words did say that he was like this isn't the most dramatic season but it's the most emotional season oh I like so a lot of tears hopefully like it really

does he does make some good connections and we just get a good old school season of The Bachelor, I still wish it was Rodney. I agree on all fronts. And I am excited for an emotional season. It's been a long time since The Bachelor has even begun to touch my heartstrings. Like I just, like, or pull on my heartstrings. Like, just absolutely nothing has moved the needle for me in a while as far as tears are concerned. And I would love to cry at some like convincing love on the screen. Yeah, I would love that. I would love that. That would be very nice.

That sounds nice. They showed Victoria for a split second in the promo, which really freaked everybody out. From what I gather, and this is just from Twitter, I think she like hosts a group date or something. And she was just in a confessional, but they put her in the preview where it looks like she's a contestant.

Yeah, it really does look like that, which would be ridiculous. It's like how many, you know, wrenches can be throw. What was our favorite moment from this season and our least favorite moment of the season? Love you, ladies. You make my night every week.

Love cutting stems. Oh, very sweet. Thank you. Thank you. Love you too. Favorite and least favorite moment. What would be a favorite moment? I'll be honest.

I don't have any favorite moments. I really liked when, was it Romeo, I guess, who, like, cried all over the beach and was just trying to, like, get any girl. Yeah. Like he'd be like crying and he gets done. Honestly, yeah. And someone like to him be like, oh, like are you okay? And he'd be like, better now. Like he just immediately would slide right back into like trying to get somebody like to date him. And it was just like hilariously pathetic. And I appreciated that.

Yeah, a lot of Jill moments were some of my favorites. Yeah. She really did crack me up. Jill's great. Least favorite isn't necessarily anything to do with the antics on the show. Yeah. I think my least favorite part of this season was, that like all the Johnny and Victoria stuff was spoiled. Yeah. I just think that really took the air out of a lot of the fun here that we were having at the end

just because we all saw it coming and we knew what was happening. There was no shock moment from this because we knew that they weren't going to make it. So for like four weeks of having to watch them fall in love, it was like this kind of sucks to watch. Why do we think Nick Viol did that and why is he not getting more shit for it? Well, in Nick's defense, I think he only did it because it was already out there. Like, in the Bachelor Rumor Mill world, it was already out there. Yeah. And so I think he just jumped on the opportunity.

I feel like he has an audience that extends beyond the usual Bachelor rumor mill. Like, I feel like I, like, I don't follow him. I don't follow closely that Bachelor Rumor Mill because I don't want to get things spoiled. Like, I would never think that he would spoil something like that. It almost makes you wonder, were they sick of watching Victoria and Johnny falling in love and wanting to just put the kibosh on the whole thing and not have people, like, vilify. Yeah, maybe. Victoria and Greg later on, more than they already are.

I'm sure Nick's going to get a big interview and have things be discussed. Yeah, well. That's, I'm sure that's coming. If he hasn't already, if he hasn't already announced that, I don't want to say, because I don't know if he's announced it yet. Yeah. Cool. If Victoria wasn't with Greg, how is. would we feel about her being the Bachelorette?

Oh, my sweet Lord. I would love it. It would be highly entertaining. It would be very entertaining. It would be a disaster. Well, all the guys would be no idea of ass. Oh, my God, they wouldn't. They would all just be like, oh, the whole time.

Like, you're pretty. Yeah, yeah, you're pretty. Yeah. The coyote, or what is it, like the wolf from? It would be highly entertaining. One of those old cartoons with the wolf on the ground and the eyes popping out. Yeah, yeah. that'd be a single one of them.

Yep. All right, that wraps it up. A whole love thing. How was the chat this evening for our finale? Everybody feeling good? Yeah, they're all chatting to each other. Well, thanks, guys. I realized tonight that

there's just been friends that have been made from this YouTube chat, which is lovely. Yeah, we love that. A group of people are now in a group chat, they all talk. I thought that's so nice. Because they were tweeting at Robert Mills

that they want to go to, and after the final road special, I said, hey, get in line, because we want to be invited too. Yeah, maybe if they let us in the group chat, then we can get invited to take a... Yeah, we're going to manifest that for next year, hopefully getting to participate in one of those. Anything, hey, call us up.

Would love that. Why don't you just call cutting stems out? Yeah, just give it. Just a call. One phone call. That's all it takes. We'll be there. Okay, let's cut some final stems.

Give out some roses for the finale. Ria, hand up quick. What do you got, girlfriend? I would like to give my rose to... What? Oh, Trent's dead to us. Yeah. I would like to give my rose to Danielle and Michael

because here's the thing. People think they're really boring and are not interested in them as a couple. Oh, who says? The chat. But that means that's a good thing. And that is why they're getting my rose because like I said before,

it must be really fucking hard to find somebody again after something like that. I can't even imagine, and that's why my rose is going to them. And my cut will be to Sally. Stop trying to make Sally happen. Why was she even there?

Just go home. Great question. I wonder why Sally, yeah. So Sally being at the reunion. Just go home, Sally. You are never a part of this franchise. Like she She was right on out of here

She was never out the door She was never part of the fucking franchise Yeah, she wasn't She wasn't. I don't know why Honestly, I'm sure she's just deserves a rose for being a part of a show That she's just never been on She was literally on

She's a nice girl, but like Go home For being on a show she's just never been on All right Kelly, what do you got? I'm gonna give a surprising rose I think you guys will be surprised by this I'm gonna give my rose to Logan.

Wow. Wow. I know. Interesting. And the reason I'm doing this is because I feel so bad for him that Kate like just put him down as a person the entire time just relentlessly putting him down, making him feel like garbage, and so much so that he felt like he had to dress up

like Steve Jobs on the stage tonight and act as if like he's a businessman now and he's important and whatever. Like it just made me. me feels so bad for him and I know that the words like Kate said to him are going to haunt them for the rest of his life. So I just feel bad for him. Right. At the very least. Now he's going of all these insecurities going into every relationship. Exactly. Am I good enough? Exactly. He's going to be obsessed with making money and proving himself and whatever and I feel bad for

every like girl lady dates in the future that's going to have to deal with these insecurities. And I just feel bad for him. The least I can do is give him a rose. His his picture, his fit tonight really was like the like the 16 year old who like is ultra smart and like goes to college. That's like what he wears like to class. Completely. He's like he's at like Princeton prep. Yeah, yeah.

Shit. Fuck. Um, and then the stem I'm going to cut. Oh, I have so many stems I want to cut. Honestly, like just a million stems. But I think I'm going to do it. I almost did it a while ago. I know, I don't know if you guys will agree with me.

I think I'm cutting Britney's stem. I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to say that. And honestly, I'm okay with it in this. I think I'm gonna do it. Pretty indifferent about it, like don't really care, you know? I think I'm gonna do it because something, something about how... Well, I have unanswered question.

She has, like, I just feel like something, something every time she was kind of going through, you know, she was like kind of with Andrew and then they stopped, kind of with whoever kind of, they stopped, like her detachment from it so quickly, it was like unsettling to me in real time. And it always seemed like it was an amicable split and whatever. And it seemed like, oh, they have other business to attend to, like Andrew's got to Sessena now and he was always in love with Teddy anyway and whatever but I don't know something just like she was so quick to move on to move through to jump into something she came off she came across cold she came right she did and I was like poor Tyler's crying like busy crying on stage he's like

if you love someone you don't even check in on them see if they're okay right so forget it forget it and you you guys know how how much I love Tyler now especially and I just I hate to see him heartbroken I hate to hear that she's calling him up mid you know mid blow job in Italy and he's like hey man we got break up. Can't stand it. So, sorry, Brittany. Your thumbs cut. Oh, man.

My rose goes to my rose goes to Brandon and Serene. It has to, right? Like, somebody's got to do it. Of course. They're the only ones that fucking got engaged in this season. Made me think, like, last season there were so many engagements.

We were spoiled rotten. This season, there were two. One of them is void. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just absolute void. Not real. And this one was very genuine.

Those two are friggin' adorable and in love. They're just so sweet to each other. They're so sweet. They admire each other so much to the way where I'm like. Their bodies were glued to each other when we interviewed them. Like they were just touching the entire time. They're so cute. Yeah.

That sounds so nice. So cute. It just really does. Very, very adorable. I have to say just everything about those two. My stem cut is going to... It's hard because I feel like my step cut is that I just have so many questions from the reunion so that they just didn't answer from like Andrew and all of them. But I think I'm just going to go with Aaron.

Yeah, that's a fair one. I just think that Aaron's... This is my official Bachelor in Paradise stem cut for Aaron. Yep. I would like to not invite him back to the beach. I think that I would like to know more about these girls that he had back home. I think he may have put on a little bit of a front

to make it through the whole season on this season. I agree with you. He was very emotionless to just say, hey, Genevieve, this, this come, it's over. They're supposed to be in love with each other. He said, I love you. Literally, days prior. Days prior.

They were like full. I'm falling in love with you. Fake eyes. But, you know, that way that you left when we fought, it's over. And I don't want to talk about it anymore. So I think maybe Aaron's time when Paradise has come to an end, I hope. I feel the same. Okay.

What else could he be on? Is he, like, would he ever come back again? Like, I could see him try and go on like some other reality television show. Yeah. All right, I think that wraps it up for this season of Bachelor in Paradise. Thank you all for tuning in. every week's cutting stems. Everyone in the YouTube chat, everyone on Twitter,

we love you. Thank you so much for watching every single week. It is just, it's great, knowing that you guys care, we care. We all care. We're all here, and we'll be back. We're on a break now, guys, until January 23rd is the premiere of The Bachelor.

Hopefully we're all back together. Trent's on suspension until January 23rd. Yes. Yeah. So. He's dead to us until then. If he doesn't break 90 by then, will he ever break 90?

Yeah, it's like, just give it the fuck up. Just give it up at that point. Just stop. Just stop golfing. Well, say prayers, man. All right. Thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll be back for Bachelor next season.

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Paradise. The finale is over, and you two are happy. We're happy. We're happy. We can be in public together. Yeah, we're the most excited for that. You guys are absolutely adorable. I don't think anybody had a single doubt watching the entire season that this is where

we would be at the end of this. I want to go back. I want to start at the beginning. And you guys go down to the beach. You see each other. But even before that, Brandon, we know from social media and you were watching the seasons that you were posting. on TV all the time. You're like, there's something about this girl. So did you go, you went in to

Paradise thinking, I have to meet this girl, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah. There was no doubt. Serene, when you came off the show, were you told what Brandon was posting while you were on air? Yeah. So I actually had so many people in my DM sending me a story and I like didn't want to click on it. because I didn't want him to see that I was looking at his profile. It was going to be like super high in the views. But then I'm like, I didn't have like honestly, I didn't know that he was never going to see that anyway. It's super funny. Yeah, I didn't know.

I didn't even know how to do that. There's your story. But yeah, I'm like super strategic about it. And I remember the one time like someone sent me some eyeball emojis and I was like, ah, I just looked at that. Serene, how often have you been like? So tell me again that, like, you were obsessed with me while watching me on TV. Literally. You said, I'm not telling if she's not there.

Well, yeah. So I felt like I was pretty subtle about it. I felt like I was pretty subtle. But, yeah, I was like, you know, is certain going to be there? And they were like, oh, she might. Like, we'll see. I was like. Because, you know, they don't tell you anything.

Yeah. I was like, I was like, blink twice. She's going to be there. And then my producer was like, I was like, okay, all right, I'll be there. What time you need me? It's kind of reminiscent to me of like Dylan and Hannah where Dylan like went into paradise being like, I want to meet Hannah.

I want to meet Hannah. And it really worked out for them. And I would say, I think you played it cool up until you were with Serene. And then you were you not in a non-cool way, but I think it was just you, you wore your heart on your sleeve and you. You could just tell how much you really loved her. And it was enjoyable to watch. Like, I think it wasn't in a weird way.

It was just like, he's really excited about this. And that's great. Yeah, I think it was a very excited, dorky way. You know what I mean? Like, I think in my head, I'm like, yo, I'm playing this so smooth. And then just like, it's just like cornyness is coming out. It works for it. It works.

Yeah. Exactly. But I think it was good. It was good. Like I enjoyed every step with her and like you were like do you have kissed me eyes and I was like is he serious right now? But like oh my God I do. I don't even know. I am like batting my eyelashes.

Have you? In the moment, you know, you're living in the moment. You don't know how it's going to come across on camera when everybody watches. When you guys watch the season, were there any cringy moments for you guys or were you just like, this was us? this was perfectly displayed. I think it's both. It's both. It's both.

Because we are pretty cringy. Like, we're very self-woman. I didn't even remember that said the whole pool story. And then that got played. And then just like, there's like little moment. Oh, the dad's daughter? Yeah. Oh, my God.

That was very funny. Stop talking. But I also love that you, like, you cut him off. And then Brandon said what he said. what he said the first time over again like it was going to be a cut like he was like ah they won't put that part in they're going to cut it right to where I restart my story

yes yes I was like oh yeah they'll just cut it and then they'll just start it there like it'll be fine but yeah no that was not the case and then uh when she got back from the split and I was just running my arms were flapping and I was like yeah that there was a lot of cringy moments of myself which I didn't notice like I was like caught up in the moment I was just like, I just don't see my guy, but.

Serene, what was your feeling going on to the beach? Did you kind of have that thought where, you know, maybe I'll see somebody I've had my eyes on or you were just going with the flow? It was a little bit of both. I definitely had people I was interested in. You were one of them because, you know, I said I wanted someone intentional and someone that was going to like show interest to me where I wasn't going to have to play a guessing game and ask any questions about it. And I mean, he had shown the most interest in me. before the show and so I was the most excited to meet him

because he's just bold like lives with this heart on his sleeve and I think that's really respectable but that being said I got kind of like bored before he got there because no one was coming up and talking to me so I was there literally at like 7 a.m. And I was there first

6 p.m. And yeah and so like no one was like pursuing me romantic romantically or asking me to talk And so it was super attractive to me that he was like you. And like I had also kind of. Yeah. Like I thought he would be first on the beach.

What's it like waiting around on the beach? Like you mentioned, you were bored. Is there a lot of times where you're sitting around kind of like, all right, what's going to happen next? Like you're just like a waiting game? Every day. Every day. Yeah. But the thing is like you would get gathered up, you know?

So they'd be like, hey, everyone. What's going on? Yeah. It's like, something's going down. And then they're like pulling everyone from their hidey holes like people are just like someone's eating chicken nuggets over here someone's napping over here. And so it's like we're all getting gathered to kind of see what's about to go down. It was an everyday thing though. It was like something new happened every single day. So it's like she was like we just watched it. One day she was like yeah, today's going really good. I was like you can't say that. You can't say that. Once you say that then like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Something's going to happen. They're throwing a twist. And something is set up for you guys. Well, there was, in our mind, there was never a doubt because, like you said,

Serene, you wanted someone who was really intentional. And Brandon right away was telling you how he was feeling. And I feel like we were waiting for the proposal for weeks because Brandon's like, I can't wait to propose. There was no doubt we're like, this guy's proposing. There's no doubt he's not proposing. How long did it take for you guys to have that conversation where it was like, okay, he when this is over he's going to propose and I believe he's going to do that.

I feel like for me I like that was like okay I really think this is going to happen was like after split week. I think before that we had said like we were falling in love and we were starting to like picture things but then split week we were super pissed so we were split up. We're like out this is a waste of time but it did kind of make us realize like we don't want to be without each other and so I think that was ultimately what made it like okay we don't want to do anything without each other going forward and I knew I knew she was going to say yes because when she came back from split week and we got lunch together she drew what ring she wanted by the way there's like a week and a half left to filming and so it's like okay we got to start having these conversations you need to know what ring I want if I'm going to get one oh it was it was detailed it was

each side, like the size of ring, what the diamond needed look like, like, with a band color. I love that. You guys, like, don't have your phones. You can't, like, Google it. So she drew you a rendering. Literally found a pencil,

found a napkin, and just, like, slipped it to me. He was, like, study this. I love that. And I, I, I had, you had, like, the choices available to you that would work for you. Yeah, they cut it out,

but I slipped it to me. I was like, if you don't have something like this, like, I'm not going to be here tomorrow, Neil. I'm just kidding. Oh my God. I'm just kidding. That would have been great.

That's really funny. And I think that's really awesome. And congratulations to you both that you guys knew at the end that you were going to get engaged. Because I feel like Fran mentioned for you guys watching as a viewer, it was always like, these two are making it. When we would talk and people would be like, who do you guys think it's going to get engaged? We're like, well, we know it's Brandon and Serene. We know we know they're making it to the end. They are rock solid.

Everybody else kind of up in the air, not so short. about that what was the feeling immediately after you had just said yes because you know your families aren't there and you're getting engaged in in a non-traditional way and jesse asked if you guys wanted to get married on the spot so yeah so that that feeling of just getting engaged was like 20 seconds maybe 30 seconds of like pure excitement and bliss and then you see jesse come down with a book and i knew immediately i was like another flat twist i was like there it is there it is. Today was going too good. I knew it. Today was going to do it. And yeah, so I mean, it was pure excitement, but it was like we get to do this every day and like we get to like make our own choices and our own

plans and like really do life together. And so I think that was the reality that was setting in right there is that like, okay, we get to wake up and do this every day. Now, I know that this is the usual question that comes. And I don't think that we typically ask it because we know usually what the answer is. But are you guys going to be the type that starts planning a wedding right away and getting right to that or enjoy the engagement and then worry about the wedding at a later date? Yeah. Yeah, we're enjoying our engagement right now. Like we are getting excited that, you know, we get to make these plans and stuff. I think we both agreed on 2024. And so that's kind of where we're at right now. We're like in the very early stages. But just being excited about being engaged because we get to, you know, we get to be

public with now. So that's what we've been waiting for. We've been engaged secretly for like four or five months now. So I'm bad at math. You guys can go to dinner. Yeah, that's what we want to do. Walk down the street, up on a street together. I don't know, whatever it is.

Like, here for it. Where are you guys currently living and do you live together? So. So. Yeah. Together and we live in San Diego. Very nice. That is amazing.

I was going to say when he said hopped on a scooter, I was like, they're definitely in San Diego. That's such a San Diego thing is hopping on a scooter. Hoping on a scooter. It's got to be San Diego. How was all the, like you said, four or five months, you guys have to keep it a secret. What was secret engagement life like for you guys? Did you have the whole like wig situation that some couples do and everything to try and throw people off? I had this like luscious, like red kind of like long hair wig.

I bought it for me. I threw it on. I put on a hat and we ended up finding out that I was getting way more attention with that wig on than like actually just like me, myself and going out. But yeah, we tried. And then we've done anything and everything you can and like inside the house. There is literally, yeah, the one time you wore the wig though, like we were like, oh, can we just like get away going to the beach? Like the sun is setting. It's going to be dark.

Like no one's going to notice. And literally right then someone like, notice. noticed him, but he was by himself. Like, he was, like, down in the water and I was, like, up on a rock super far away. And I just, like, dart the other way. Like, like, it's... It's like, a little game.

I was like, a long blonde wig. Like, don't look like myself at all. Like, it's hilarious. We should have brought him for you to show you. I would have loved to have seen them. Were you guys able to meet each other's families during that time? Because I know when you talked about,

you know, not getting married in that moment. Family is very important for you guys. You want to make sure that you meet each other's families. And I know Jesse's brand and your mom said she would have killed you. So how did that go? Were you able to have those interactions yet? Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's something that, like, is really cool as they kind of like throw you to the world whenever you get out. And, you know, we were able to do that, like, secretly. She came to Portland. I went to O.K.C. Yeah, we were able to do that. I mean, we're still like.

under the same circumstances of like, okay, we can't go outside together. Like, we can't. So it's been tough, but I think it'll be really, it's like perfect time in that, you know, he gets to come spend Thanksgiving with my family and we get to do all the like the family traditions and all of that stuff and also get to be in public together at the same time. So it's like it's been, it's been a long road coming here. We've been away for a while, but it's probably very exciting though and adds a whole new chapter to your relationship and tons more fun. And, and, and, and, so much more that you guys can do and just opens up so many doors. You guys also made, you know, a ton of other friendships and relationships on the beach that we saw. And one of the

things that we noticed was the Rodney thing, you know, everyone on the beach was so upset for Rodney, everyone's crying. Watching that back, was that an accurate depiction to how everybody was acting, or do you think that they amped it up? Because we were like, all right, we get it. We feel bad for Rodney, but everyone's got to put a little more pep in their step. Yeah, it was, I mean, it was a blow to the beach and it was absolutely devastating. I know that sounds so silly. It was worse than like, because people look at it and they're like, well, Eliza's just making a choice for herself and she was.

Like, love Eliza, she deserves to pursue what she wants to pursue. But at the same time, what we were all so like, oh, that's tough because Eliza had been gone all day and Rodney was just waiting for her to come down and was talking to everybody about like oh we get a fresh start like I'm going to do something special for her today like we have this future that we get to

start building on now and so to see him like talk about that the day after he's like I can finally breathe like this is the real like she chose me and I went through a whole season with Ronnie so we've been boys for a long time and I've never seen him that happy in my life

and then so like letting other people know like yo this is the happenest rodney's ever been like eliza is really like his person like we're both like super giddy and happy for each other and like having that pulled under the rug i was just like yo i know what that feels and like that's the worst and it hit us just like a little bit people cry like everybody was like crying everyone was in tears it was like we saw that and we were like wow yeah it was like it's like but we were so convincing of like oh you you guys get to start fresh tomorrow and you guys get to do this and do that so like like in a way we all felt bad and felt that and then you know she's crying too and so there was that

and it was just hard on everybody and then it was like also we realized in that moment we're saying goodbye to rodney like yeah right we's leaving and do you feel like the fact that you guys are all just focused on mainly one thing and there's no other outside distractions that that's that plays into it too you guys are exhausted and huge a lot of emotions at play oh yeah I mean I mean, it's hot, you're not getting much sleep. And so that was a huge factor. Like, did we all really feel for Ronnie? And everybody was really crying.

Yeah. But, like, at the same time, we emotions were so, like, well, over the place. But also, we were so invested in everyone's relationship. Right. Yeah. They all became family to us. So we wanted everyone happy and, like, yo, everyone just get along, be happy. And, like, yeah.

Well, it's like, we kind of, like, we felt at a certain point, like, we're, making it out of this. So like the other couples were like, oh, we have like couple friends. Like we're going to get to like do all these things. You know, and so like you start picturing your future with like your friend group. But I think ultimately we just want everybody to be happy and like, you know, pursue what you want to pursue. But it does suck when someone gets hurt. Yeah. That makes sense. And it's also just funny to think about if this was like in the real

world where if something like this happened, you'd be like, Dan, you'd be texting your friend. you'd be like, damn, that sucks. But then you have a million, yeah, you have a million other things that you're doing are focused on, so it's not that much, but it makes sense when you're just focused on everybody and everything there.

People were like, it was a moment where people were like, this could happen to me too. Not us, like a lot of people were feeling that way for Rodney. It was like, oh. It's like, damn, if this happened, like anyone could switch up at any.

What could happen next? Yeah, Brandon had one of my, one of my fair lines, because you got, you do seem like, such a friend that, an empathetic friend, like you're feeling your friend's emotions. And when, when Eliza was on the date and Rodney was all sad, you were like, man, if you were, if you,

if I was a lady, I'd be in your arms right now. It's like, Brandon. Oh, so me and Ronnie, oh, we joke about it. And then literally he replied to it and was like, fax. Yeah, yeah. So me and Ronnie, like, like, she went on the date and Ronnie, you know, you saw it. He was like, I got to get a drink. So I was like, I'll get a drink with you.

And Weld was like, boys, however much you want, it's on me. It's on the house. I got you. So we were drinking tequila and everything. And then so we were just sitting on the couch and like, I didn't even know. And I was like, you know, Rodney like, man, if I was a girl, I'll beat your arms right now. Facts. Fags.

Yeah. And I was like, yeah, watching the back, I'm like, bro, what? What I would expect for me? Yeah. like, you know, that's why we're friends. I love it's so hard. Yeah, it's just worry. It was, it was great.

That was one of my favorite, favorite lines of the season, honestly. But, you know, guys, you're really like the only, there are success stories that have come out of this season for sure. But as far as engagement goes, you guys are the last two standing. And there were some couples that we thought really would make it or try and make it work. I know there are some crazy moments. What for you guys watching, because I feel like you were spectators for a lot of this, Aaron and Genevieve had a lot of drama on the beach,

but then they would always kind of seem to make it work. Did you think Aaron would propose, or did you guys kind of see that hitting a wall? I didn't really think so. I think that, you know, talking to the both of them, I think they both knew that it was kind of toxic. I think they would have left together. and like try to work on it, but I don't, the proposal.

No. Just because, like, you guys saw what we saw, like, you know, they would get into a huge fight and then they would be, like, all falling in love with you. And it's like, well, you got to deal with that huge fight, you know? Like, that, yeah, so we kind of like, the whole, you know, people on the beach, like, we wanted it to work, but at the same time, we saw signs to where, like.

You're like, what's best for my friend? Yeah, what's best for my friend? Like, yeah. And it's, I think you guys would be happier. Yeah. And I think that we would see that in one episode, it would be like, there was one time where we're like, maybe, maybe they do get engaged. And then after that, we're like, no, no, too much of a roller coaster. Yeah, it was too much.

Yeah. After the itching and pain, pain fight, it was like, this is. Fight about. That's too small. That's a fight where it's like, that's not even about what they're actually arguing about. That's about a whole other thing that's underlying. It has nothing to do with the itch. Well, that's the thing is like, when you. you mask it up and say like I'm falling in love with you is like not like that's just going to

build up into the next fight you got to do it yeah so yeah yeah and when you're fine about itching and pain like that's when you knew like I was like why am I being asked about this in my interview I was like uh what yeah well it's like a form of pain now I'm like you really wait what you're like we've been on this beach for too long they're running out of things here I'm sorry who's fighting about this It definitely took a turn. And then we all saw on the reunion that, you know, Johnny and Victoria's engagement didn't work out. She's in a new relationship. Did you guys think Johnny and Victoria were a good pairing?

I mean, you had to spend, you spent more time with just the two of them where it was just the four of you left on the beach for a little while. Yeah, I think at the time we thought that they really could make it work. You know, there's a lot that we didn't see behind closed doors. There's a lot that we still don't know. And, you know, during the reunion, we didn't get to sit out and watch all of that. But ultimately, I think, you know, I was, I just happened to be the closest with Victoria. Like, her bed was next to mine. And he just happened to be the closest with Johnny.

And the fact that we were both couples together, we both look at it and we're like, we just want our friends to be happy. Like, if you guys are not happiest together, then, you know. Just as long as you both find happiness. Yeah. That's good. Whether it's together separate. it. And I think there's a lot, like, I think they wanted to make it work and there was like a lot of hurt and disappointment in the fact that it didn't. But. Yeah. This life is, it's like you have to have those tough conversations because once you get to the outside world, it's like quarantine again. So you're not in the same day. You have to travel. You only see each other a couple days out of the weeks or out of the month. So, yeah. Yeah. I think they try to make it work. But, you know.

Yeah, they just aren't a match. And that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Now, also at the reunion, there was maybe potential rekindlings from some people. You know, that Jill and Jacob had a conversation. There were some situations that were going down. Is there anyone from this season that you guys were on with that you're really hoping will make it work? You know, Jill and Jacob together were a sight to see. That was a sight to. We loved that, like, literally as soon as they coupled up, it, like, felt so random.

But we were like, it actually makes sense. The way. Yeah, the way that they reacted to like the date part and stuff, like... Their weirdness was so perfect together. They're so entertaining as people, like separately, but them together, like, they are great. And so I'm hoping that, you know, something comes out of that. Or Kate and Logan. Yikes.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if anybody's really rude for that one. Not putting a lot of faith behind that one, just even from their Instagram stories and stuff. but we're so happy for you guys. Brandon, we had Ashley and Jared in here a few, like about a month or so ago, and we're talking to them and Jared told a story about how he was telling you their love story and how, like, they connected and how he had said, you know, that he kissed Ashley in the airport and she was technically with someone else and that you were like, dude, that's sketch.

And it was so perfect. They're like, that's so, I'm like, Brandon, that's so cute. Like, he's just, yeah, so. Just genuine. And, you know, Ashley took the girls and then Jared was with the boys. And it was just me and Jerry talking. I was like, yo, like, I'm with Serene. It's going good.

He's like, how's that going? I was like, great phenomenal. Like, you know, how is it for you and Ashley? Like, how did you guys meet? And he was like, yeah, we met here. And we didn't leave together. I was like, you didn't. Like, how'd you guys read Kendall?

And it was like, yeah, so I flew out to her. She had a boyfriend. I knew he was gone for the weekend. So I flew out, and then we ended up kissing. I was like, wait, she had a boyfriend. You flew out. And you kissed her. And he was like, yeah, dude, I had to do what I had to do.

I was like, sketch. I was like, dude, you're sketch. I was like, you guys have to. a beautiful family though. Yeah, yeah. I guess it worked out for you, but interesting. Brandon, he was like, I went to stream later. I was like, yo, you got me, you got any exes that are going to fly out and like.

It was funny, though, because he was telling it a way where he was like, Brandon's just so genuine. Like, he called me out for being sketch and I was like, it worked out for me. And he was like, yeah, but, you know. Yeah, sketch. No. I love James. and Ashley, like, I ended up having to talk with them, like, the night before we left.

We had, like, it's such a great talk and we talked about movies and everything. But, yeah, that was easily, like, just looking at it was like, dude, you're a great guy, but sketch. Oh, so, so good. Well, we're so, so happy for you guys. I think everyone is, can't wait to see what the future holds for you. And it's just a very well-written love story. You know, you don't, it sounds so cheesy to talk about like the fairy tale ending for you guys, but going back and thinking about those Instagram stories of you watching her on the show and now, you know, being where you guys are now, like you made that happen. You manifested that big time. So credit to you. Yes. Congratulations, guys. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Thank you guys for coming on. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Thank you.

Thank you. And have fun with the rest of your day. Yes. Yeah. I'll be outside. You're like, I'm going for a big walk after this. You guys enjoy your scooters. Don't put your wig on.

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