Chicks in the Office - Gabby & Rachel Interview + Adam Levine Scandal

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

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Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This is state of emergency. What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rianne, giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. And it is September 20th when we are recording this portion of the podcast, which is the lovely day of Francesca Mariano's birth.

Happy birthday, Francesca. Yay me. Happy birthday, friend! Woo! Happy birthday! Yeah! Woo-hoo! It's made Frangy girl's birthday.

Big two-eight. How are we feeling? I feel good. I came in here, you saw it before it. You did a phenomenal job decorating in here. There's cupcakes, homemade, chocolate of her, strawberry, sour candy, all the things I love. And I just said, I love my birthday. Yeah.

I do love my birthday. She walked in and she said, I love my birthday. I do. And I know how much you love your birthday. So I wanted it to be a very special birthday because we have to watch The Bachelorette tonight. And so you can't really do anything on your birthday. Three hours. At night. But you better be a good one. You have been celebrated all day. Yes, definitely. Do you feel special today? I do. That's wonderful. That's why I like my birthday. Because you feel special. Yeah, you feel the love. It's nice to feel the love. As you should. Yeah, thank you. And what are your thoughts on growing up? Oh, well, how long do you have? No. I feel pretty good, I will say. I definitely, like, Sunday, Monday, I was like, wow, this is, I don't know if it's just, like, a weird time or I've been busy, so I'm like, doesn't feel like my birthday. And I didn't really have, like, anything major planned when I normally do. And I was like, huh, like, is it just, things are just slowing down, you know? But I feel settled.

The end is near. Yeah. Oh, ha-ha. I feel very settled and happy and... That's beautiful. Yeah. Do you feel special, like I asked? You feel very special?

Yes. You should. Well, you said it doesn't feel like your birthday. Does it feel like your birthday now? It's always like one of those things where then you wake up the day of and it's like, oh, yeah, today's the day. Right, and you wake up like spring chicken. Yeah.

It's my birthday. I know. Today's the day. I had the option to kind of sleep in a little bit today. and then I just like, when I got up, I was like, I'm up. Yeah. What to do. You don't even want to sleep in on your birthday because you want everyone to say happy birthday to you.

Exactly. You've got to be awake for more hours to really soak up all the hours. Yeah. I won't pressure you, but how were the cupcakes? Really good. Great. I would actually say they were one of the better cupcakes I've had in a long time. First of all, it's New York City.

people never make cupcakes by scratch anymore. Well, you at home make cupcakes. They're funfetti. But funfetti is elite. And because I feel like it's just always easier to order. Just be like, oh, there's so many cupcake places. There's so many bakeries. Yeah.

But you took the time to make me cupcakes. And we ate a lot of them. So now they just say, there's just the RAN is left. It did say HBD Fran. Now it says RAN. We ate the HBD and the F. And they were very, very good. I will say I'm not, I don't love icing.

Like, I don't love icing. I think I, ugh. It's like too much. But that icing's really good. And those, the, what are the name of those? That's what they are. Betty Crocker sugar sprinkles are the best sprinkles. They are a really good.

They're really good. It's like sugar. Yeah. It tastes so good. Yeah. So the reasoning behind the homemade cupcakes were one, because, like you said, nobody makes homemade cupcakes anymore. And I thought it brought back that nostalgic feeling of like when your friend had a

birthday at school and you would bake cupcakes for them or they would bring in their own cupcakes baked and they would hand them out to everybody. And also, my gift is not here yet. And so I had to make up for the fact that the gift is not tangible right now, although I want to just tell you. But, but, but don't. Don't. Don't. Don't because now I get to make my birthday last. True. For when the gift does arrive. I don't know if the gift is going to be here next week, the week after. It'll just be a surprise. It's going to be a surprise. It could be, and it just hit me when I... There's two. I like, I kind of like that, though. Like, it'll just, it's going to come when I least expect it. Right. And, and, like you said, it makes your birthday last. We just had this conversation about not having

a lot of surprises. Yes. So I want the surprise. I don't tell me what it is. And just people are just like, oh, like, are we going to find out what you got, Fran? And I'm like, I wish I could tell everybody what I got you. Sorry, I got to be the first one. And listen, I've been... It requires a lot of productions. So I've been in talks with this person, and I'm like, where's the freaking gift? And they said that they're going to give me an update in the next five business days. So I'll have an update for you soon. But in the meantime, I hope you enjoyed all your tasty treats.

Exactly. So everybody can just maybe, if you want to like DM Ria guests, I have a feeling nobody's going to get it. I was going to, no. I was going to say it on the podcast without you in the room, but that would require too much for you to get up. People would tell her. Somebody might message you. Somebody could send it to me. No, it's really cool.

And I hope. That's why it really needs to say secret. I pray. It turns out the way I think it's turning out. Because if this long-awaited gift shows up and it's just not what it was, I'm going to be upset. But the person has sent me updates. And so I am. Papa, Elf. I am to believe, yes. I am to believe that it is coming the way I think it is. Okay. I look, like I said, I am very excited for it. And I don't want. special to you and for you. It's clearly being made for me, so. It's being made in another country for you. Yeah.

Wow. Okay. International gift. It's an international gift detailed for you. The hype is only building. No, I know it should be. I was close to doing that on purpose. I freaking wish I don't blurt it out. I'm not, I'm not going to blur it out. I've been telling people around here about it.

And they're like, oh my God, she's going to fucking love that. Like, it's going to be nuts. Okay, okay. So I also hope that you don't expect, like, it's not big in size. No, no. You know when somebody says, like, there's a special gift and you're like, when you're younger, you're, you're, when you're younger, you expect it to be like a big box.

Yes, it's not. It's quite small. No, no, no, no, no. They say the best gifts come in small packages. Yes, and this will be a small package. Okay. Okay, stop telling me. I'm so excited.

God, you just can't help yourself. I can't. I'm just so excited about it. I'm going to actually ask for an update as soon as this is. over. Well, anyway, we're also, not only where we were celebrating today,

the Eagles had a great win to go right into my birthday, and we're at that time of year where Fall TV is coming back. My favorite time. Dancing with the Stars is back. The Voice is back. Soon, you know,

NBC's been advertising their big Law & Order crossover event. Chicago Wednesdays. Wait, is Adam Levine on the voice? Not anymore, no. Oh, he was. This is your month.

He was on the voice, but he has a, not been in multiple seasons. John Legend brought up his name last night. Really? But it was like, it's the blind audition. So they were, it was recorded a long time ago. Not a long time ago, but you know, a few months ago.

And John has moved to the far end seat. And he was like, oh, you know, so great people have sat in this chair. Adam Levine. Is it like American Idol where the, it's like the Simon Cowell of the, like he sits on the end or he's the last one. Well, Blake Shelton has always stayed in his seat. Oh. But everybody else has moved around because they've moved around.

Blake's the only one that's consistently stayed for, like, I think he's done every season. Because now this year is Blake Gwen, John Legend, and Camilla Camilla. When everyone Blake Shelton got sexiest man alive. Yeah. Well, I mean, now he gets to film the show with his wife, Gwen Stefani. That's nice. Yeah, it's very nice. It's your mom.

This is your fall. season. It is. It is. And I hope you're just really taking it on. September is a great month. It is a good month. It's a good month. So happy birthday, Francesca. We love you very much. We hope you have an amazing week. Yeah. Because your birthday doesn't end just today. We know that about you. Thank you. You have a whole birthday week. Yeah. And you better freaking celebrate it. I will. Gosh darn it. I will. Thank God. And by the way, you guys are listening to this a little later than usual on Wednesdays. I know we're normally right in the morning on Wednesday, but we had to delay because Gabby and Rachel are in studio with us. Very big deal.

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and then it'll be Ria and I speaking to Ria and me. Ria and I. I don't know. Doesn't matter. Speaking to Gabby and Rachel. Yes, and hopefully that goes over well.

Yeah. So let's get into the episode. She was great on Dancing with the Stars. I will, yes. Just throw that out there. We might have another winner. You might. We are going to be talking about the Adam Levine saga that has unfolded.

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All right. This TikTok went viral this past week from this woman named Sumner. Her name is important. Beautiful name. For the story. It's a very important for the story. Where a Sumner, what's her last name? Stowe.

Sumner Stowe. It's actually a nice name. I mean, Adam Levine clearly thought so. It's got the Alliteration, the double S. What is it? Alliteration. Is that what it's called when you have a double?

I believe so. So this woman posted a TikTok. She's an Instagram model, revealing Instagram messages with Adam Levine and revealed that they had some sort of This is all alleged. Yep. Had an affair.

They exchanged these inappropriate messages on Instagram. And then Adam Levine came back into her life to ask if he could use her name to name his third child. He messaged her and said, dead serious. We're having a third child. And it's a boy. And I want to know if I could use her name dead serious. So then this woman went on TikTok, shared these messages and shared what she had experience with Adam Levine. Now, there's a lot of talk about, oh, is it the right thing to do to share these messages public?

Should you have just messaged Bahadi, which is Adam Levine's wife privately. You may know her as a Victoria's Secret model. She's a model. Should we message her privately? Should you make these public? Listen, Adam Levine and this woman both wrong. They are both wrong in this situation. Adam Levine cheated or allegedly cheated on his wife.

This woman partook in an... affair with a married man. These people are both wrong. Yeah, I do agree. This happens a lot. And the conversation always shifts where it's like, oh, we hate the man, hate the man, but then it's like

people point to the woman or they make it. In this situation, Adam Levine is 100% in the wrong. He is a married man. And it seems like he was in plenty of other people's DMs because there's been a few

other women at this point who have also shared screenshots of their DMs. So it may seem like he's slitherin around a little bit. And then Sumner did post, she posted another TikTok where she apologized to Bahadian and their children and had said that when Adam had come into her life, she was under the impression that their wedding, their marriage was like not doing well or that they were quietly splitting up. I mean, this is what she's saying, right? And then when she realized that that wasn't true, she cut it off, and then this is him coming back in.

But yes, you, you, and also, like, posting this, posting this on the internet is, I just, I don't know, sometimes I don't know what the correct protocol is. Yeah, like, how do you go about this? Right. Do you need to put this on blast for the world to see? Like, I understand you want Adam Levine to be exposed to show the world, you know, the guy that he is, he, she, there is a wife involved in this who is currently pregnant

with their third child. So it's like, you know, does it need to be blasted across the entire internet? Yeah, I see. As for all those, the nitty, gritty details, I'm like, okay, they, they both partook in this. But for her, I don't feel bad because she, like, tried to make it seem like she's the victim in this, the woman who shared it. I don't feel bad. for her. Like, I think that's what she thought that people were going to be like, oh, Adam Levine manipulated you into this relationship. And like, that may not be the case or it may be the case.

Nobody really knows for sure. If Adam Levine told her, yeah, me and my wife are separating, then you never know. Like, you don't know with these Hollywood couples, what they say, what you believe, whatever. Dumas was fairly adamant that they, she thought that they had a open relationship as well. This woman may have thought that if she... she just messaged Bahadi privately. Bahadi would have never believed it. Yeah.

And, or would have maybe never seen it. And then you're like, well, then she just put this on blast the entire world. And now Bahadi has to be embarrassed and their children need to see it. Like, she's not thinking about the effects that this is going to have when their children grow up and see these videos of them talking about, of this woman talking about their dad. So it's like, at the end of the day, though, that is Adam Levine's fault. Yeah, it's all Adam Levine's fault. It's just, it's crazy to me that these guys. think they can get away with this shit.

And regardless, like, open relationship or not, if they do have an open relationship, which whatever is fine, that's, you know, I could never in a million years live my life like that. But if you want to, if that's how you want to go about your marriage, fine. But you have to have some,

when you're that famous, you have to have some rules of like, hey, don't, like, embarrass me. You know, we're, we're, the world sees us as a married couple. Behind closed doors, do what you want. but like if you're going to get exposed to be this kind of creepy guy in the DMs and all this shit like you have to don't embarrass your partner like that where you just look so sleazy so weird

like he is just a gross I'm going to read his pig to be like to to to want to name the kid after that woman is one of the most disgusting creepy things I've ever heard of these guys are so like the egos on some of these male celebrities What was Adam Levine thinking when he was like, can I name her, can I name my kid after you? Dead serious. Like, how sick is that? And then for Bahadi to have no idea,

idea where this name is coming from, like, what do you think about the name? Or just like, oh, like, where did you get the inspiration? What do you think of the name Sumner? And Bahadhi's like, oh, I like that. And then secretly in the back of the head, it's a girl that he may have hooked up with or talked to. Are his other kids, are there boys or girls?

I think he has two girls. I just think you should look up their names and Instagram maybe there's some Instagram models of those names. Yeah, I don't know. Adam Levine is so wrong in this. I think that people are focusing too much on the woman who's telling the story. Yeah, they have two daughters. Right? Like, don't you feel like they're focusing

too much on the woman who's telling the story? Where it's like, okay, could she have went about this in a different way? Probably. That's a whole other issue and a whole other embarrassing thing. But Adam Levine is... You hope that. that,

is gross. Yeah, you hope that, you hope that, you know, if you get contacted by somebody like Adam Levine, that you, this is the thing, if it's in your DMs,

like, you're probably like, what the, and you're entertaining it a little bit. And then if it turns into something else, it's like, wait a second. But there's never, like, the plug was never pulled here when it should have been.

Yes. And he, reaching out, sending these messages. Look, he, Adam Levine actually posted a statement on his Instagram story, which I really did not think he was going to do. I felt like this was something that they don't even address it all.

They let it try and blow over. But he posted and he said, a lot is being said about me right now and I want to clear the air. I use poor judgment in speaking with anyone other than my wife in any kind of flirtatious manner. I did not have an affair. Nevertheless, I crossed the line during a regrettable period in my life. In certain instances, it became inappropriate. I've addressed that and taken proactive steps to remedy this with my family. My wife and my family is all I care about in this world.

To be this naive and stupid enough to risk, the only thing that truly matters to me was the greatest mistake I could ever make. I will never make it again. I take full responsibility. We will get through it and we will get through it together. Regardless of whatever place he was in in his life, if he wants to say that, and if there was or was not actually a physical affair, sending Instagram messages to women on the internet that you don't know in a flirty way when you're married is just. it's so sleazy. It never won't be.

It's gross. And where, like, where does he get off? Like what, like, I'm just saying, like, him messaging the girls. Like, I don't believe that he's just, if he's just messaging them, I don't really believe that. Like, I would believe that something else had had to have happened eventually if you're just messaging a bunch of random girls. And like I said, some of these guys have such massive egos that it's like they need this,

they need these random women. to like stroke their egos for them to tell them how great they are and how hot they are and all these things when it's just like it's so insane and I as for the woman I think like Sumner

Sumner it's like because people are like oh you know obviously she should have never engaged with a married man but if she says to him hey you're married and he's like no no we're separated that's just not public

how do you know you don't how do you know know if that's right or if that's wrong. You, I would assume, nah, this guy's just trying to, you know, get with me because he's famous. And so they all say, oh, no, we're separated. Yeah. But then there's some really are that are separated.

So you just don't really know. You don't know. The power dynamic is totally tilted in his favor. And she could be saying, he's an older, famous man. She's at the time, like, I think right now she's 23 years old. Like, she was graduating college when this had first started. So it's like, she's young. this guy comes in, like I said, the power dynamic is totally off. He has all the power in that situation.

And it's, he can easily take advantage of anybody he would want to. Now, like you said, you always hope that somebody would say, ah, this, the other person says, this is probably wrong. But unfortunately, that doesn't happen. But once again, Adam Levine is the one married. Yes. With Trill children. Yes.

Yeah. So it's pretty fucking wild about it. And I, you know, people were like, I'm just, you know, I saw this and I was like, he would be the next one to go down like this. I feel like we've heard these things about Adam Levine for years now. I feel like people were saying. I wouldn't be surprised.

People were like, oh, are they together? Are they not together? Like, I feel like that's been a thing with Adam Levine. Yeah. No, it definitely has. It doesn't take away from how great Maroon 5 is, though. Maroon 5 is great. Big wake up call for him.

Good one, Noah. Good one. You already made that comment, but we'll give it to you again. I like my other one better than makes me wonder one. Did you see that one? No, I didn't say. You said that one yesterday. This one really makes me wonder about Adam.

Those are good. They're good. Unfortunately, we've heard them. Yeah. So I don't, I'm very disappointing. It is very disappointing. Adam Levine's a dirty, dirty pig. He's a dirty dog.

Yeah. And I'm sure that they will stay together. I think that they're going to stay together. We'll see. This love. There's good, good songs. Good song titles to be thrown into this. I'm not having so hard, it's harder to breathe.

Okay, I'm going to stop. All right. We can just end it there. All right, all right. Let's just end it there. Enough. The Bachelor of finale, they basically gave us everything that happened right off the bat. You know, they started off with this Jesse Palmer dark room.

He teased the cheating. He teased the cheating. the text messages. So we knew shit was going to hit the fan big time. Basically, I'm going to say right now, I don't even think there's a point of talking about either of their actual proposals. Gabby and Eric, yes, but like Tino and Rachel's proposal, you normally get so invested into the actual proposals.

The proposals, we could have just skipped right over because it felt like it did. Tino's proposal was robotic anyway. Let's get into what happened with Rachel. and Tino, I'll try and sum it up as well as I can from the information that I have gathered. It appears that once the show started to air in the in-between time and before that, Rachel and Tino were having some issues. They were having some arguments. They were not broken up and they were not on a break, but they were having some arguments.

And then after that, they started to resolve things. things started to get a little bit better. And Tino then revealed that during that time, he had kissed a girl. And now this girl is somebody that he had known before the show. He said, I guess he had not met her, but they were talking or something. I don't know. And they ran into each other at a bar after he came back from filming. And one thing led to another.

and a kiss happened is what we were told. And that made things very tense. And we got to see this conversation between Rachel and Tino in the happy couple house of them trying to talk it out. And it was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. It was so uncomfortable. And I would love to know, Kelly, Ria, your thoughts. Ria, why don't we start with you on your thoughts on your thoughts on what was going down in that conversation between Rachel and Tino? I thought this entire thing was not, enjoyable to watch at all. Usually when there's drama on the show, I am one who's like, yes, give me all the drama. I want to watch it all unfold. This was so painfully uncomfortable to watch. It seemed like Tino, we know what happened. Tino kissed another girl, all right?

And so Rachel kept being like, tell me what happened. We know what happened. He kissed another girl. Tino then broke out a fucking journal of all the things. that Rachel said to him that made him feel like he should cheat. I would have advised Tino to not do that because it did not come across well at all. Tino didn't really seem sorry or remorseful. If he was like, oh my God, Rachel,

I had a lapse in judgment because I'm not saying what he did was so wrong, but it just seemed like he didn't really think what he did was wrong because he kept saying, oh, you know, we, I thought that this relationship was over. You said you were. It seemed like they were not on the same page at all. They should have been on the same page before he went and hooked up with somebody else and kissed a girl.

And that same page would have been, we are no longer dating. That was, did not seem like they came to a clear conclusion that that was going to be the case. Fast forward to them being on stage together. It seems like there's something missing. from this story because it seemed like Tino was going to bring something up that Rachel was like, are you sure you want to bring that up, Tino? And then he was like, I think Tino was wrong in what he did because I don't think it was clear that the relationship was over. But the way that Tino acted on stage, and not the way he acted at the house, because the way he acted at the house

was very frustrating and infuriating. And I would have been like, speak, just speak. Like, come on. Like tell us what's wrong, although whatever. You know when you're fighting with somebody and you want to say something really bad because you know it's right, like you know what you're about to say is right and true, but you know that the other person is never going to understand what you're saying or agree with you. So you just hold it in. That was the vibe I got from Tino on stage with Rachel,

that he wanted to see. something so badly, but he knew whatever he said, Rachel was going to spin it. So he kept it inside. I think, I'll go off literally off of what you just said. Like, I very much think that Tino, in keeping that journal and having that at the ready for when he fucked up a list of times where Rachel fucked up that justifies his fuck up, I think that he, like you said, feels completely justified in what he did. And I feel like he very much thinks that his punishment now present day is not worth the crime. Like it doesn't fit the crime for him.

Like him making out with a girl when their relationship is kind of up in the air and nobody really knows what the fuck is going on. To him doesn't make sense for like all of this public onslaught when Rachel also made a bunch of promises that she didn't keep. But her promises were like, I'm going to go to therapy three times a week. And instead she goes once every couple of weeks. Like those, that's different. Like the promises of like, I'm not going to fuck anybody else.

I'm not going to make out with anybody else. I'm not going to cheat on you. Like those promises carry more weight than the promises that Tino has written down in this fucking diary to try to throw back at Rachel to make himself feel better for being a shitty person. Like it makes no fucking sense. And I think you're 100% correct in thinking that like it was uncomfortable. And I'm not saying Rachel is not to blame in any capacity because it sounds like Rachel is difficult to deal with on a day to day basis. I'll say that right now. Like it sounds like Rachel doesn't quite know what she wants.

And anybody that's along for the ride, like is also going to go on that ride with her. Like she's trying to figure her life out and they're going to have to go along and figure her life out with her. And it seems like she hasn't found a guy that's willing to go along with the roller coaster that she's riding. Like it just that just kind of seems that's how it is. And Tino kind of thought he was that guy. He's clearly not that guy.

And instead of like owning up to the fact that he's just not that guy, he's going to instead take detailed minute by minute notes about the date and the time and the minute that Rachel promised she was going to go to therapy every single day and then instead only went like once a month. Like I think that that's childish and ridiculous. And it's just it's like building in an excuse for him to fuck up later and then throw it in her face as like, well, I only did this because of you.

But in reality, he wanted to do it all along. You know, I think, I think Tino was absolutely in the wrong. Like, I think it was very clear that they did not end their relationship and he cheated on her, which is wrong. I think that couldn't be more clear that Tino was in the wrong. And the way he acted at that house was pretty awful. The people in the chat are confused right now thinking we're taking Tino's side. I don't think anything we said seemed like we were taking Tino's side in any capacity. No, I thought, in what world is that taking Tino's side?

I think we called Tino a child. And you could go read our tweets. And just because I said, it seems like there's being something cut from the conversation does not mean I'm taking Tino's side. It just seems like Tino was holding something in that there was something left unsaid between them in a conversation that it was clear he wanted to say it but wasn't saying it. Well, here's the thing. It sounds like Rachel and Tino were having issues, right? So Tino in his defense, like in his not defending him, but in his defense to Rachel, he wanted to throw back all of these things that happened between the two of them while they were fighting to justify his actions. That's what he was trying to do.

So unfortunately, like he cheated. So that really negates everything here. If he did not cheat, Tino could have brought up some of these issues. they could have talked it out. They could have seen what was, like, they could have actually talked more about what was going on. But it feels like in that moment, and remember, like this is still TV,

and I'm sure there are some things like Rachel and Tino don't want to put on television. And at the beginning, when they're having these fights, it really from what Rachel was saying, felt like they were talking about really deeply personal things. And Tino was on the edge of his seat to say those out loud, which would have been an absolute disaster. because it's just inappropriate and is not the time and place to air something out.

And especially if he is using it in defense of cheating on her. And that's why, you know, the whole thing is like, but they're just, they just kept talking in circles because they're not going, they're not going to get what they want. Rachel wanted him to just own up and apologize and take responsibility for his actions. Tino kept being, Tino's entire thing was, well, but then this and then this. And also anybody, by the way, if your significant other is taking notes on statements that you've said when you're in arguments, bad guy. Red-li-wild.

Red fucking glass. He opened that note, but he was like, well, you said that you would give back the ring and we would go back to dating or like if you weren't going to wear the ring on after the final rose or you said this. It's like, did he have these arguments with Rachel and then go home and pull out his notebook and be like, and then she said, and then she said, and then she said that. It's crazy to me. I don't know that, like, and they're talking a lot about therapy. And I'm glad that they were having that conversation that both of them or one of them or together, something that therapy was needed.

And it's, that's a good thing at that point if they were trying to work through their issues. but at the end of the day, he cheated. Rachel has every right to not continue a relationship after that happens despite whatever Tina wants to throw at her or say from any prior argument or fight or whatever they want to, you know, whatever they want to get through. And this led to a very uncomfortable conversation on stage as well where it felt like they were just continuing to talk in circles. and then Jesse Palmer brought Aven out.

It was a big like WWE setup moment. And I will say, you can, we can really dislike everything Tino said and did at this point of the show. Bringing Avin out and having that setup felt like just cruel at this point. Like, Tina hated it. They've been through a very uncomfortable conversation. And they've not only have they aired the previous one, they are sitting there live talking to each other. And then it's like, oh, well, now let's pile on here. Let's make everybody hate Tino even more.

But honestly, that move like backfires as you sent Avin out. And then Tino's sitting there looking like a chump like he just had this conversation. And Rachel's smiling ear to ear being like, Avin saved me, take me out of this. Yeah. It was so, it was wild. And it's like, yeah, sure, she thinks she thinks it's funny or thinks it's, it's cool or whatever, like to put the bead down on Tino and agree to be going on a date with Avin right in front of his face.

But in reality, like watching that on TV was fucking awkward and weird. I just didn't like, yes, we hate Tino right now. But like, Tino look like shit tonight. Like, I don't know if you guys noticed. Like, he looks like fucking haggard. Like, I don't know if he. I mean, the other conversation he did too. If it's like the guilt or like, right.

But all the conversations when things have gone wrong, like Tino's been like Mr. hot guy the whole time. All of a sudden, he looks like a disheveled piece of shit constantly. So clearly he's like affected by this. Like however, however much he wants to let on, like, however much he wants to be a dick, he's, he's, you know, he's making out with other girls. He's doing whatever. Clearly he's not used to like the public eye. He's not used to, you know, clearly not used to owning up for his actions. So it's like a lot of things at once where he looks like a piece of trash that they wheeled out on the stage to, for everybody to dump more garbage on top of.

And then all of a sudden they bring Avin out and have Rachel, like, agree to a date in his face. Like, I just don't think the punishment fits the crime. Like, I don't think Tino getting drunk after this reality TV experience and making out with some random whore bag in the bar means that he gets to be chastised forever. Like, is that crazy? Like, I don't know if I'm being crazy or not, but I just don't, like, obviously it was bad. Rachel should be mad at him. They should be broken up. I don't think that we need to, like, literally cancel Tino forever.

for making out with another girl when they weren't even really engaged. Like, is that crazy? They were engaged. They were engaged. They were engaged. They were engaged. They were engaged. Okay, yes.

But you know what I mean? Like, Bachelor engaged. I feel like that's an important thing. Like, Bachelor engaged versus real engaged is as much as we want to pretend like it's not different, it's different. I also think that Bachelor knows how, like, brutal Bachelor nation could be. and they know how everybody's going to react to this Tino drama. Like, they know everyone's going to hate Tino after this, right?

So, like, for sure. That's kind of, like, enough pile on. Right. It was the nail on the coffin. Wasn't, to me, really necessarily, like, you know, so awful to Tino because I felt like whatever, that was going to happen anyway. More so if Rachel is, upset about what's happening with Tino and what had happened.

I think she needs time to heal from that before she just jumps back into dating Avin. Like, you ended things with Avin for a reason because he couldn't give you what you wanted. And now things didn't work out with Tino. So we're just going to try things with Avin. Like, I think Rachel just needs time to heal, you know, figure out herself, heal from the situation with Tino. and then move forward. And then if she then decides,

okay, I want to try things with Avin. Okay. But I think just jumping from thing to thing, conversation, things are so heavy and it's fun for the moment. But like, I just think the girl needs a breath right now. Like,

I don't think it would be bad. And I also think it wouldn't be awful for Avin to also take a step and say, she ended things with me for Tino because I wouldn't propose. Maybe I shouldn't. be giving her a second chance immediately just because the guy she got engaged to cheated on her. You know what I mean?

Right. Like, even is not concerned as well? Yes. If they, if time passes and they want to, you know, try dating again, sure. Sure. But I think they, I think everybody in this situation needs time. Is Avin not concerned at this very moment that he's literally just lapping up the sloppy seconds of Tino?

Like, I know that we like, that's like a high-tale. I do think producers like played a. major role in sending him out. Like I don't think Avin was like, for sure. Like I really want to come out and talk to Rachel at that moment. Like that was a setup. That was a completely They had to have. They had to have. And it was and I will say it was a little awkward like top to bottom. It was a little awkward having him come out and like do whatever. But realistically like she she fucking rejected him. She rejected him in like a very immature way.

Like we all saw that. We had talked shit about Rachel like last week, two weeks ago, whenever she rejected the shit out of Avan. Avin tried to act like an adult about it. And she just wasn't picking up what he was putting down she was so focused on tino she was so focused on her like thought of of reality that she was trying to portray like i don't know it just it seems bizarre that he would come out and like grovel like he wasn't grovelling on his knees but he came out like so want to go out on a date like it was so it was it was so cheesy that it seemed like so planned in the worst way and it made them all look like fools in my opinion but i think i think franz right in the fact that it it's definitely a producer just

doing. Like, you know, at what point do you, at what point do you sacrifice your own integrity? Like, is Aiden not being like, hey, I, I feel like I look like an asshole right now. I don't think they have a lot of, I don't think they have a lot of free will in this scenario, Kelly. Like, I think like, if a producer says this is what you're doing, they're like, okay. Like, I don't, I just would never. But. Yeah. I'm sure they could argue, but I don't think it's going on.

Like, after the way Rachel was down his fucking throat like that for him to immediately next episode, like, come out and be like so still down for a drink. I'd be like, no, dude. Like, I treated you like shit. Like, you deserve better than this. Like, I feel like, I don't know. I think I'm just bummed out because Avin's not the bachelor. I was going to say, I wish Aven was the bachelor.

But clearly he's not ready to get engaged. So they can't make him the bachelor because then that negates the point of the show. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah, they were. Even though they should probably change that rule all around because I don't know if anybody is really that ready to get engaged.

We're seeing. Yeah, that's why Zach was an easy choice. because Zach, regardless of their breakup, he made it very clear multiple times just out loud saying, like, I am ready to be engaged in doing like when he made the whole big deal about the age thing. And he was like, no, I am ready. So it's definitely an easy, save choice at that point. But Rachel, you know, the whole joke now for the rest of the show is that Rachel left with Avin. She's not there. She doesn't have to do the show anymore.

I don't know where they actually were. But that was like the whole joke is, oh, she's run off with Avin now. And this is where we see the end of Gabby's relationship journey. I guess I can say, or just from the show. It's not over. We see Eric's proposal. It was also, I will throw in the whole formatting of this was very interesting because they showed Rachel and Gabby having a conversation before Rachel spoke to Tino and that

happy house situation or whatever they call it happy couple house and um yeah and gabby's just like she's got her engagement ring on so it's like oh gabby's engaged like why would we not just show I didn't even notice that show both engagements from the show and then go to the live part but they chopped it up so it's like okay gabby's engaged we see eric propose um and then gabby and eric come out together they look very happy they clearly love each other and i think Gabby is supporting him and is staying by his side while they get through everything that has happened to. Now, I think we know we saw the text.

They put the text on the screen. They talked about the text. Eric gave an explanation for the text. And honestly, as far as explanations go, it was decent. I think he did own up to the fact that, like, hey, he was leading a girl on. He took the easy way out of a situation instead of. of just like ending things with a girl. He totally let her on.

Gabby made it clear that he had told her about these messages before they came out publicly. So it's something that they had discussed prior to it actually happening, which I'm sure worked in his favor. And then they rushed, they kind of rushed Eric off the stage. But let's talk about the text first, what you guys thought about the text, what you thought with what Gabby said and what Eric said. Ria, what did you think? I think that Gabby is incredibly mature.

I think that everybody can take a note out of Gabby's book just from watching her. I thought the way that she handled herself and handled this situation was very mature because she could have freaked out over these text messages. You know, she could have ended the engagement and said, hey, you thought this wasn't real. You know, when they put it like, hey, this happened before he met Gabby, your feelings can you. change when you meet somebody. And so I think that's very clear what happened here. Eric just went on the show thinking, hey, and I think a lot of people do that. And I think of the example with Molly May from Love Island where she did an interview and she was like, no, I didn't go on this show looking for love. I went on because it was a great opportunity. And I ended up finding love and she's been with Tommy Fury

for years now. And that was very honest of her. And so I think when they put it like that, and it's like, okay, yeah, true. People do go on the show for opportunity. There's a lot more pressure. from the bachelor, bachelor, bachelorette. And I just think if Gabby can forgive him and work through it with him and support him, then I think we all can do the same. I trust Gabby's judgment. I don't know. She just seems incredibly mature to me.

And so I think if your partner is going to be okay with that and forgive you and move on, then I think I'm happy for them. They looked like they were really in love. They looked like they really support each other. I love that she called him an asshole, but still supports him to me. that's true love. She's like, I'm going to call you out on your bullshit and how you treated this girl wasn't right. But I also believe how you treat me and how you're going to treat me. And I'm rooting for them. I'll be honest. I was skeptical about whether or not Gabby was engaged or whether

she was going to find love or if it was with Eric. But from watching them together, I feel like they're the real deal. I think they support each other. They love each other. And I trust Gabby's judgment. I agree. I agree too. I agree big time. Everything you said that was very well said. I think that Gabby, like, I don't know. I feel like we've all always been on the fence with Gabby. Like, does she know what she's doing?

Is she just along for the ride? Like, or at least I have. I've always been like, what are Gabby's intentions here on the show? Which, Kelly, by the way, could be, could play a role. And I said this, I said this to, I think I may have texted this to you guys. But I, you know, when you see those text messages, Gabby, we, Gabby could be like, you know what, I get it. I went on The Bachelor and I didn't really think that that was going to turn out the way it did either.

So I think they probably have that agreement. It's like they could have that conversation of like, oh, did you think this was going to happen going on the show or what reasons did you go on? So I'm sure she relates to that in a way that it doesn't affect, it might not affect her as much as the fans reading it who are like, oh, he said the show's not real or like whatever and getting upset. Totally. People are asking about the post-show text. Gabby clearly knows about them. So it's not up for us to be like, what about those post-show text, Gabby?

She clearly saw them. So she's okay with them. Yeah, and I also really do. I really do think that, you know, the one line of him saying, like, I think about you all the time, it comes off wrong. His intentions to me in that text

was he came back from the show and then maybe it was like, I really fucking handled that wrong and tried to like apologize. Yeah. I mean, was it worded right? No, I don't think it was worded right.

In my opinion, definitely inappropriate. And that's why I said Gabby is incredibly mature because I feel like other people would have been like, fuck that, fuck this immediately. But she trusts Eric enough that he loves her and wants to be with her. So she's like, all right, let's work,

pass us and move past us. Yeah. Can I also say that I think that it kind of helps that they haven't known each other so long that they both have decided like, hey, we're going to take this time to be honest with each other and be real with each other. And we're going to try to make this relationship work. And we're going to tell each other all of our bullshit. Like from Eric's point of view, yes, I was talking to this girl before I came on the show. I left it in a bad spot. I'm probably going to text her again. Like I got to figure it out. Whatever. I'm sure Gabby's been, like you said, I'm sure Gabby's been in similar situations. It's like,

It's just easier for them to be honest with each other because they're not so like intertwined in their lives. They're, it's easy for them to express what they're doing, especially they're feeling because they don't know each other well enough yet, realistically to really be judgmental of each other because they don't know, they don't know what each other has done yet. Like they're not, they have, neither of them has room to judge at this point. So they're just kind of like, all right, let's both be honest with each other. Let's tell each other everything as much as we can and then move forward from there.

like depending on who's cool with what. And as of now, they both seem cool with whatever it is that they've done in the past six months to a year, whatever it is. Yeah. And then, you know, like I said before, Eric was kind of what it felt like abruptly rushed off stage. I know I think a lot of people thought that they were going to address the photo. I have a ridiculous siren. Can you guys hear that flying by my hour? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's loud. Wow. Rest and peace. Whatever's happening there. This is very loud. Okay.

It's gone now. Yes. So I think I think everybody thought since the text messages were brought up, it was like, okay, I think we're also going to bring up the picture of Eric from high school is in the yearbook. He's dressed as Jimmy Hendrix, his blackface. And he, Eric himself has addressed it on his Instagram. So it's like the texts were not addressed by really any.

in the show, this was addressed by Eric and has been discussed a lot in the last couple weeks and was not brought up during this episode at all, which I thought was very, was ridiculous at this point. Like I know he talked about it on, um, Instagram, but it was a written caption. It's another thing to say the words out loud live and, and address the situation. They just didn't, um, touch on it at all. I don't know if that's something that Eric will speak on later. If they want him to, if he's allowed to.

I don't know what rules ABC puts into place here. And I also think, you know, Gabby and Rachel are going to be doing a lot of press now. And they are on our show. And it's just like Gabby, it puts Gabby in a tough place to not have Eric be able to answer for his own actions. And if Gabby's the one doing press, like it's not Gabby. Gabby's place to speak for him in a situation like that. Eric has to be the one to own up to his actions and speak on it in that situation. It's not Gabby's responsibility, but now just skipping over it completely puts Gabby

in an uncomfortable situation now, too, and she is going to, you know, she's going to be doing a lot of press and it's going to, it becomes a conversation now that they did not talk about it. Yeah, I think it was wild that they didn't bring it up considering that they have brought up other people's mistakes in the past. And it was like, why has that been brought up in the past? But now when it comes to Eric is not being brought up, like why does it get brought up for some people? But then for other people, it doesn't get brought up.

It doesn't really make sense to me. As for Gabby doing press, because we are having Gabby and Rachel on the show, I don't think it's up to Gabby to answer for Eric. So for people being like, I agree. Oh, are you not going to ask Gabby about it? It's like this was not Gabby's doing.

And so I don't think Gabby should have to answer for something Eric did. It should be Eric. Yeah. Totally. I agree with that. Are you guys excited to have them both on tomorrow? What are you going to ask? I'm so jealous.

I could die. Like, I'm so jealous. There is a lot to ask. There is so much to talk about with them. Like, what do you think their attitude is going to be coming in? Like, do you think they're going to come in? Like, you guys were both, you guys were all talking shit about us all season, like whatever. They would never. I feel like they're too, they're like too nice.

Who knows? Who knows? I mean, if they do, that's fine. I will say, I've respected it. My opinion changed. They came in like that. I respect it more. Yeah, yeah, definitely. We'll see what happens. And then honestly, Gabby stayed in the, uh, Gabby stayed in the hot seat for a while after Eric left, still talking about their relationship, still talking about the two of them. So it's interesting that they, you know, they had Eric literally leave the stage and they continued to talk to Gabby. And it was like, the whole joke, oh, Rachel was supposed to be

here. No, okay, we get it. They then said goodbye to Gabby and they announced Zach as the Bachelor, which they dragged on for far too long. The fact that they were able to do this whole other production and then not ask the necessary questions that needed to be asked during this show is just incredible. And I'll, this, it was the last thing that Jesse Palmer said, but I literally, like, I was like, is Jesse Palmer gas letting us right now? Like, he and, and, did he ended the show looking into the camera and being like we hear all of your concerns bachelor nation we hear you we see you i'm like you're fucking lying to us right like right through the camera like it's it was crazy but zach's the new bachelor i think the reaction i think everybody's

joint reaction is kind of just like okay exactly my exact reaction was okay fine i guess okay I guess. Although I'll say Devin pointed out, I think it was Devin that pointed out in our group chat that Zach is arguably bigger than Jesse Palmer. I didn't realize how big and tall he was until she said that. And I looked at the two of them together and I was like, oh, wow, that guy's huge. So I had no idea. It didn't really seem like that this season. But I have to pay closer attention at a different point. I know people always have different opinions on who they want to be The Bachelor. It is going to be Zach. They did the unfortunate. First limo entrances during the live show, they brought out five women. Bachelor Nation got to vote via Twitter on who got the first impression rose. I don't know if they were trying to be more like Love Island. They want to be more interactive with the fans, take the power away from the actual contestants. But we met four women, five women. It's incredibly uncomfortable.

Everyone was nervous. Zach was super nervous. Zach couldn't remember any of the girls' names after he, Like, Jesse Palmer was like, what are, do you remember any of the girls' names? And he remembered none. And then Jesse just didn't let it end. Like he, it was embarrassing. It was meaning.

It was mean for him to do that. It was like, obviously he's not going to remember. He's on a live stage for the first time. He just announced he's The Bachelor. Yes, he has these five girls come out. And they've done this before. They've done the situation where like they'll do a quick five girls or five guys, like Rose Ceremony for whatever.

But they never make them, they never quiz them at the end. Like that was not fair. Not fair. No, it absolutely was not fair. But the country, patronation, voted for Brianna. She definitely had the best one, I would say, by far. She was great. She was great.

She was really cute. And we'll obviously see more of her. She got the first impression rose. We saw a new Paradise trailer that shows that they're definitely going to be doing the Casa Moore situation from Love Island as well. So ABC is just kind of spinning that around a little bit. But we can take some questions from the YouTube chat. I'm sure people have a lot of thoughts.

All right, Ria, what do we got? What was worse? Becca and Ari's breakup or Rachel and Tino's? I think the answer is so obvious. Becca and Ari. I think it's Becca and Ari. Ari left Becca for another woman on the show. Yeah.

It wasn't like, you know, it was like, never mind, I want Gabby. I will say, though, the- But still, we've never had somebody straight up cheat, I think, which I honestly feel bad for Rachel. Like, Rachel was wrong sometimes during this season, which we talked about last week, but what Tino did was wrong. The action, the action of Ari. taking the ring back was so preposterous, like just the concept of what was happening. The conversation between Rachel and Tino was, for me,

sometimes almost harder to watch just from the talking in circles and the, I need to go outside, I need to come back inside, I got to go outside again. Like, it's just, that's fair. Honestly, they were, they're on pretty equal playing field, I'll say. Yeah. That's fair.

And also the conversation, the conversation between Tino and Rachel, you're right, I think was worse because it just wouldn't end. Like nobody would secede. Like nobody would be like, all right, fine, whatever. At least with Ari and Becca, it was, it was brutal and it was horrible, but it was very much like a band-aid that he ripped off and just like got the fuck out of there. Like it was, it was sociopathic behavior for sure, but it was quick and short and we just hated him forever.

Tino's going to drive this off for the rest of time. Like his dad's probably making a Facebook status right now. But I think, I actually think now that I'm thinking about it, it was crazy. I think Becca and Ari's was crazier, but Ari clearly made the right decision. Like Arii going with his gut saying, hey, I want to change this here was actually the right thing to do in his heart and his head. Like, it was crazy. It was definitely crazy. But it clearly worked out for him.

And so he was right by following his heart. It was just one of the crazier things we've ever seen. So I, because I think when you, like, this isn't so, like, yes, it's crazy that Tino did this. But I feel like we just haven't, both we haven't seen before. So I don't know. It goes back and forth. Yeah. Other question.

Did we like seeing Sean and Catherine? No. I think they wheel out Sean when they have like a good old relatable bachelor that they're like, ah, this young buck wants to get engaged. Who should he look up to? Sean Lowe because he's one of the only bachelors that has a successful relationship with kids that they can say like, oh, well, you could be like Sean. I mean, who else could they bring out? I guess they could bring out Ari, but I don't know how well that goes. over. Nobody would. Yeah. I mean, we saw, Sean and Catherine came on screen and me and my bestie were like,

boo, like stop. Like we, like, and I loved Sean and Catherine, like when they were on. I like seeing them doing well in their life, whatever, but don't trot them out after so long. Like people watching The Bachelor right now don't even know Sean and Catherine. Like, why are they still trying them out as if we're supposed to know? Like, they give no

background for them ever and they just trot them out when they feel like it. Like, it's kind of crazy. anybody else that they bring out, they always give like, right, but they always give like a lot of background to whoever else they bring up. But with Sean and Catherine, just like, Sean Lowe and Catherine, here they are. And then it's, and then they're like, you know, just got to stay together. Just got to work on marriage. And it's just, it feels, it feels very like, like, like, not, not like, you know, a gunpoint, but it feels very like, all right, we have this. We're fulfilling obligations right now by doing this. And I'm not saying that they are bad at doing it. I'm saying that like, leave them alone, you know, they've, they've, they've paid. their dues, I feel. They don't have to come. They don't have to trot them out anymore. Yeah. All right. Last question of the night. And it's the one that's being repeated the most. Who do we think Tino was on the phone with? Oh. Oh. Good question. When he excused himself and got on the phone and was like, you're back. And he probably like his dad. It has to be his parents. Like I would guess that way in his family because I don't think he's able, I don't think he's really able to share too much information with,

what's going on in the show to anybody else. So that would be my boring but probably accurate guess. The same. I think that he, and I think that's why his parents are so like, they're so involved now. They feel like they, I mean, they've heard his side of the story from the beginning. They're making these Facebook statuses.

They're evolving themselves. Interesting that they didn't have them sitting at the after the final rose. Right. Well, they probably refused. They probably were like, again, the show is a farce. It's like, I'm sorry. Sorry, your son cheated on his girlfriend. And now he's paying the piper.

Like, what do you want to do? Like, I hate that. I hate when people just decide that something is bullshit because they're not cast in the best light. Like, that doesn't mean that it's bullshit. It just means, like, the situation was bullshit. Like, you acted like an asshole. And sorry, this blows dick, but like, don't now blame the show, Tino's parents. I hate Tino's parents, I think, is what it is.

Ever since we've been talking about their Facebook statuses, I fucking hate their shit. I think that they are obnoxious. I think that their statuses are self-indulgent, self-important, and they just need to chill the fuck out. Like their son fucked up on a TV show, they clearly didn't want him to go on to begin with. But don't backpedal with your fucking Facebook status is Tino's dad. Like, I'm over it.

I'm so over it. I am. I might actually on purpose mute, Kelly, now. You just love his, you love the Facebook statuses. Oh, man. All right. Should we get some stems? I have a final rose.

Would you not feel pissed if your parents did that shit? I feel like I'd be so mad on my parents. Kelly, I'm cutting you off. All right. I'm going to go first. I'm going to, I'm cutting you off. We're handing out roses. We're cutting stems.

Ria, pause for the thing to go. And Ria, why don't you go first? Okay. I am going to, I feel like this is necessary. It is a very, very, very obvious. stem cut, but I'm going to do it because I was so adamant that Tino was the winner. And we're forgetting that I was right, by the way. You were right.

You were right. And I called that from the first episode. And I was so imamined. And I want everyone to know how out I am on Tino. So I'd like to cut his stem because I gave him, I'm pretty sure I may have gave him my first rose. And so to end it right, I want to cut, I want to cut his. Okay. Fair.

And. Full circle. I'm going to give my rose to Grandpa John for obvious reasons. That's sweet. That's very sweet, even though he doesn't want to be The Bachelor. Kelly, what did you got? I'm going to cut the stem of, have I already cut Tino's parents before? I think I did like last week.

After that ran, you have to now. I'm going to double cut them. Okay. Because I hate them. Yeah. I hate them. I hate them more than I hate Tina. So cut the stems of his parents.

I'm going to give the rose to, you know what, I'm going to turn it all around. We've been talking shit for weeks. I'm going to give the rose to Rachel because she sat on that fucking stage and she relived that bullshit and she watched it. And yes, I think she made a lot of mistakes, whatever. But she handled that better than I would have ever handled that. So that, I mean, that just seemed like a fucking nightmare to go through. so she deserves the rose tonight.

I would have gotten a whole lot angrier. Same. I will be giving very similar. I'm going to give my rose to Gabby. I think Gabby is very, like she handled this whole thing very well. I think she cracks people up. She knows the right moment to throw in a joke, but is also very serious.

And I do think that I'm hoping the best for her and her relationship moving forward. I'm going to cut the stem of Jesse Palmer. I just I too many jokes in there. He was way too happy with the, with the Aven stunt.

Like, he was like, oh, can you believe? Like, we crush this. He was way. It was his idea probably. He was his idea. He was way too happy about that. I was like, all right, man, what are you like enjoying this? Like, it was, it really, he dragged it on. The timing felt off.

Like it felt like we went through the whole thing with Zach and then there were still like two minutes to fill where they had to go back to, they played the Paradise trailer. And then I was like, oh, we gotta ask Zach one more question to kill time. It just felt like it went on for too long and felt disorganized.

So that is how I feel about that. And I think that wraps it up for this season of The Bachelorette. Thank God. Thank you guys. Make sure you subscribe, subscribe, subscribe to our YouTube right now. Check me on this YouTube.

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This season's past two bachelorette's. I don't even, you're not the bachelorets anymore, but this season has. This season has. Former, you can say now. I love that. The two former Bachelorettorettes. The season ended last night. We saw the finale.

It was three hours long. A lot to unpack. But thank you guys for being here. Very excited to talk it all out. And Gabby, I'm excited to get like a yeah in person. Yeah. There we go. Perfect.

It's like when you... No. Yeah. It's like when you hear the actor say their line. That's what that felt like. But thank you guys so much for joining us. I'm sure you guys have been through a lot. You've heard a lot of opinions even from us.

So thank you guys for coming in and talking to us. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, thanks for having us. We're excited. How are you just feeling emotionally? This is a quick turnaround. You guys came from L.A. to New York. You're immediately doing press.

How do you guys feel? That's a very loaded question. What note do you want to start on? I feel like I literally haven't even woken up. It's all just been a date. I can't tell my head from my butt. Yeah, literally. Yeah.

I feel like it's. incredibly stressful coming out of the show, especially when it's hard because you're so used to watching the show and the viewer is like, oh, this happened months ago, this happened months ago, and then they throw you with a live show. And you have to adjust to being like,

no, no, no, this is happening right now. This is live. What was your reaction to how the live show went? It was just insane. You take it away. Yeah, honestly. You know, unfortunately, Rachel has a little bit more

I know last week I was up on stage like the full time and then this week I'm up there like and normally I feel like that's not how it goes normally like in this situation Tina would have been up there. So it was just a lot of like me having to sit up there and relive everything for the first time. I hadn't seen the proposal and I knew what was coming after and I lived both. But when you're in the moment, both of them were so emotional that like I could barely remember what happened. So it was like truly reliving it for the first time. all of a sudden he's in front of me. So, yeah, definitely very emotional in my end. But very happy for Gabby.

Yeah. Thank you. We asked. Happy for Gabby. How much time was in between the conversation that we saw unfold between you and Tina versus getting on the stage last night. And I think I could speak for everybody that watching that conversation at the house that you guys were at was wildly uncomfortable.

So I'm sure for you it was even more uncomfortable. And I think that a lot of us wanted to, like, jump through the screen. I think I tweeted this and like, shake Tina. and be like, what is the answer here? So how much time had passed in between all of that? I'd say over a month. It happened at like mental all.

Yeah, so over a month. When we filmed that, so then I found out, yeah. Yeah. When we first interviewed you guys, were you still together with Tino? Yeah, it was in the beginning. It was right when the day the episode. Because that is kind of, when we were in New York doing press, that is where we started.

Okay. Yeah. We sparrow. Yeah. So, I mean, but we were together. Yeah. I mean, from my knowledge, we were together the whole time. But, I mean, that's also controversy as well.

So, yeah. Did you feel like he was trying to kind of, I don't even know, expose you in some way? Like, it felt like he had, you know, he said, yes, I kissed somebody else. And then every time it was like, yes, I did this, it was, but there was all these other. things and did it feel like he because it felt like he was so close to saying something that would have been really bad and he didn't so it was just kind of like I'm where did the I don't even know how to phrase this where did the like emotion come from on his end like how those obviously you guys were fighting for a while is what was going on before never excuses cheating that's like

absolutely ridiculous argument to make. No matter like how bad of the fight is or whatever. My question is, did you feel like he was going to say something that was perhaps crossing a line? Well, I mean, it's such a loaded question. I think when you are kind of living this or on top of this lie for so long that you have time to prepare and you have time to think about, okay, how am I going to go in and phrase this? Whereas you're watching me hear like stuff for the first time and there was a conversation on the phone when he initially, I want to say, told me, I was like yanking it out of this man.

But initially, like, we had this conversation on the phone hung up and then we're like, we need to like be in person for the rest of this. So when I got there, I'm like, I need answers. I need to know timelines. I need to know when things started. Like, I think everyone is owed that regardless of fighting or what you did. You could be broken up. You're still owed those answers because there is an engagement.

It's still playing out on TV. And it just is a level of respect. as well. So I think like, I mean, Gabby was there as well. It's like you think you're going to get an answer. You think you're going to have this like revelation. But then he would like say something else. So it's just it was super frustrating. You could see him getting frustrated me getting frustrated. So it was just a mess. I couldn't quite tell like his intention or what angle he wanted to take. I think he tried so many to see what would stick and then nothing stick. That's yeah. It was just like right. It was just like confusing to watch. And I think Caitlin Bristow actually said that during the live show last night. She was like, I think we saw like eight. different personalities come out of Tino last night because I do think he was trying to find which angle he wanted to play it. Did he want to play the I'm really sorry or you know I feel bad that I did this I was wrong but hey you did this and it seemed like there was an inner battle. Yeah, I don't think he could commit to the sorry. Yeah, you know. We were like he's going to crawl in here beg for you back. Games going to be over. Fall on the sword. Be like I messed up and then he didn't.

If he did that, if he came in and he were like and you truly felt that he was so sorry from the bottom of his heart and he spoke, you know, intelligently to you and made you feel like I am really so sorry for what I did and I will never hurt you again. Do you think you would have given it another shot? It's so hard with this question because it really was not even a day from when I found out to when we're in person. And my head was just spinning. In one part, you're numb. You're like angry, but then you're sad. And I'm like, I just need to know what happened. And where is the timeline? because it does matter. And it isn't just a kiss in a bar.

It is so emotional and intimate and so many things that transpired to the kiss. So I needed to get that information. There was texting and there was other things involved. You also like, you know, people talk about. It was intentional. Like it was cheating and having those fall in someone else's face. Yeah, and almost like protecting her as well.

Yeah. It really did feel like she was the one being protected. So it was just like I need to get in front of it. him. I had no thoughts in my brain and I think anyone who has been cheated on can relate to that. I mean, women like just fly off the handle when they hear that. It's like you can't comprehend it. Yeah. And I do think like a lot of times you can have those conversations happen in private, but there, you guys were engaged at that point, but you still really did not know each other for that long. So it's like you're going through the emotions of have these last six months. Is this even really

guy that I knew like there's you have to there's a lot I would think you have to go through your mind and the craziest part of this to us too was him showing up with that notebook I know and we were like was he taking notes I thought he was going to like read me a

poem I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in my entire life of a significant other taking notes. It was like yes I kissed to use against you like why else would you take notes and here's all the things that you said to me what? And so out of It kind of feels like,

it's like, so we were having conversations on the phone and while we were having conversations on the phone, it's like I have this notebook in front of me and I'm like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And it's not even that. It's so out of context. It's like, well, you said this.

Well, let's talk about why. Okay? And then once we would talk about it, then you would move on to the next thing. It's like, so how many points are we going to hit until you're finally going to tell me what happened or what's, like we're running in circles and then I would hit a point

and then he'd be like, well, I have to go outside. It's like, so are you going to go? think or I'm just like it was confusing and then I couldn't have a full conversation so how am I supposed to make any sort of decision when I'm sitting there feeling like I'm going absolutely insane yeah right and I think that came through I think it was very frustrating you could tell you were frustrated he was all over the place I I couldn't even imagine just being like just give me just give me the straight answer we know he kissed but like when why right what what happened here um throughout the season and and I'm sorry I'm just good but the

fact that he sat down and was like, do you want to, you want to start? It was like, no, you're in trouble. You should be groveling right now. Or then he would just be like, well, are we together or not? Are we together or not? And I'd be like, let's talk about it. Talk. I don't even know anything yet. And when he was like, why can't she just break up with me? Well, why don't you have the balls to break up with her then? Like, my thought process is like, if you are, if you're saying, why doesn't she just break up with me? Why can't you just break up with her then? And that's nothing against you. It's just like, be a man and be like, listen, I'm, I'm, like, listen, I'm I clearly, I don't want to be with you.

And you would probably respect that more than, oh, you break up with me, whatever. During the season, did you, because there was a lot of conversation around this and we even talked about it, did you feel like if you didn't get engaged, it would be kind of seen as like a failure in this process? I don't know if we cared about, well, like, necessarily with the proposal wise. Like I had my own, like, doubts of being like, you know, in a role. But engagement wise, we came in this. so honest with them. We are ready for this part of our life. We want to have this partner with us who commits to us. And people are investing like how many weeks of their life. They don't want to

just have you walk out with this long-term boyfriend. And we don't want just a long-term boyfriend. And so it was just something we've been really honest that is really important to us. And it just has to do with commitment more than it has to do with a ring or whatever people think it is at the end. Because it's hard work. Yeah. I think it's just more of a symbol. the process is grueling. You have to be so honest. And you really, the whole thing is laid out. So you shed your layers so fast.

So you can bond faster and better for a longer lasting relationship. Like if I just wanted a boyfriend, I mean, I would just like hit the streets again. Try that for 31 years. Didn't work out. But also like there's something about the stakes being a little higher. I think that is enticing and why people go on and why people watch. Right. Your ring is beautiful, by the way.

Gorgeous. It is really gorgeous. I will say I did notice that it looked like Neil Ling kind of stepped up his game a little bit. Yeah, because of us. Okay, good. I was like, more with the times. The ring is really good with like golden band.

That is my type of ring, like the golden band. Yes. Oh my God, I can hold it? Try it on. She ran out of the door. I'm like, tackle. This room is far too small for us to get out of here. Not enough.

So you put it on, but like, I love the way that looks. This is like, Haley Bieber's running. Have you seen her? Yes. Like the gold band, oval. It's not the halo. Yeah. Yeah.

That is stunning. It has a hidden halo. And then it has one here too. It is beautiful. It is beautiful. I mean, yeah, it's the pressures of the engagement. It did feel, I think for the viewer, we started to get really frustrated with Tino at a certain point in the last couple weeks. And of course, you know, things are edited and framed different ways and whatnot.

You know, the producers obviously knew this. the things had taken a turn for you guys. And Avin had looked like this is, he's here, but he's just not ready to make that commitment. And that's where you guys had that disconnect. I think this is another loaded question. But do you now kind of maybe regret sending him home at that point? Because he wasn't ready for the engagement, but maybe the connection there was better? It's so crazy. Like I said, watching myself back, it's insane how much you learn because I could see exactly what he was saying to me. But at the time, I was like, he's trying to get out of this. He just told my friend this. He told me something else. He's trying to get out. He's trying to

pull this out from underneath me. Which is normal. And I could see the wall go up on my face. We're sitting on that bench. I saw it. And I'm like, why didn't I just like take a moment? You were just like angry at the situation. And when I sat down too with him. Yeah, that late. Yeah. It's like, how'd you make it this far without having the conversation? I think that was my thing. Yeah, and it was just the fact that my friends found out first. Right. That really was it. And we did talk about it and people are allowed to change their mind.

It just felt so like shocking to me. And then as soon as that wall went up, like it was so hard to like, I could see it happening. So it is hard to watch back because he wasn't saying like, Rachel, I'm not going to get down a one in a couple days. Like let's just be on the same page. Like, am I the only one here? Like, and I couldn't see it. I'm like, well, you don't want to get engaged. And it's hard to watch back because I could see exactly what he meant.

He did really care about you. He did. And I think, like you said, I think... I think everybody watching was like, Rachel, you're not listening to what he's saying. I know it's like shake me, but in the moment, like he's so clearly saying how much he loves you and cares about you, but you're...

It was like the blinders went up and you were like, I am not going to listen to a thing this man has to say. But, you know, I think everything happens for a reason and clearly you had to realize that it wasn't going to work out with Tino. Now, Avin appeared. on the stage last night, and there was a very mixed reaction all around about this. And I think even I have gone back and forth in my head

on what I think about it. Because when we talked about it last night, I was like, I think Rachel needs to take time to heal and, like, fully process everything that happened before you jump, I don't know, you do your own thing. But this is what I said. You want to know. I'm not about it. I'm just saying I'm being honest. What I put my therapist had on best of

I'm just being honest about what I said on our after show. And I was like, I think it would be great for her to heal and, like, process everything that happened. And them be like, okay, I'm ready to date Ava now. Sorry. I'm ready to see where this goes. Definitely. Yeah, no, I agree. I have been healing so much. Watching this back has been so, like, cathartic in a way of watching myself make these mistakes and learning. And I mean, I have had obviously so much time since my breakup to heal. I definitely look forward to continuing

on that trajectory to heal. And I mean, Avin coming on stage last night really ultimately was just him showing his support for me and knowing that, like, it was going to be a really tough decision. And anything that happens after this, like, it's going to be very organic and not rushed at all. The more people said that it was to put a smile on your face, I got it more. Because I think, yeah, no, because I think a lot of people, a lot of ex, you're, you're right? No. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I'm not. A lot of the ex-contestants and people who are very vocal about the show still had felt that that was inappropriate, I think, is what a lot of their opinions landed to. It's like even on stage or Tino. Yeah, even dead. No, that was going to happen. Okay. So then he was upset about it.

He never, like, he never wanted that to happen. And he was not happy that there, like, was a crossing on stage. There was no one's intention. I mean, so many things are happening at once. So, I mean, ultimately, I just don't want there to be blamed on, like, him or like it wasn't his well no and I think people would assume that because you know we there is a production

value here and it did kind of feel like a WWE moment like yeah it's like he's gonna knock him out I did feel like at one point I was like what the fuck are we watching like seriously like what is happening this is so off the rails but I just it was a lot to take in

and then of course Gabby we saw your proposal and you know I was like these cameras where they're showing their reaction like you were smiling watching your proposal versus Rachel which you had a straight face and you were like all right you tried Rachel you try I was like

what do they're going to have us on stage watching it you can't not yeah so with your smile I was like okay I think I think they're gonna be okay like I think this proposal is gonna work out I think that you guys and you had your ring on in the conversation with Rachel before they even showed the engagement I wonder if they did it in purpose. I'm like,

yeah, she was like, what's it like? What's it like? You guys were engaged. And she's like, I'm like, tell me what happened. But you guys, honestly, I felt the love during this, like, watching it and on the screen and you guys look so comfortable sitting next to each other. And when Eric joined the stage and it was a really good kiss.

And you guys, you could tell that like you have that strong connection. You guys have that bond. And then, of course, you had your uncomfortable. part as well where they share with those texts on the screen. Right. And it was like oh, we're really going to do this. You're a burner. You said that you had

known about the text before. So were you anticipating when these texts came out? Were you like, all right, it's happened. It's here. It's happening. Yeah. I told him he needed to buck up. Yeah. And he's like, I'm afraid they're going to like, I'm like, no, they're going to leave. So you need to prepare yourself on what you're going to do after. I loved what you said.

when you said, I mean, you were an asshole, but then you still support him. And, like, that's true love to me. Like, you could call them out on their bullshit, but you're still like, I'm still going to support you and be by your side. And that's how it was in the moment when he told me, too. I'm like, honestly, like, I'd be pissed, too if I was her.

I'd probably run to spoiler accounts trying to ruin your life, too. I don't know. There's no saying. Like, I don't know. But, yeah, I'm like, it's not actually, like, text messages are this or that. It's, like, character, how you treated her. but, you know, it was all before the show you move on. He has been, our relationship is different.

He's been good to me. Yeah, yeah. And I do think, like, sometimes the past, when someone says, like, now the past is in the past, you guys have moved on in your relationship. I know, I think she said something after the live show along the lines of like, oh, she'll learn. Like, it's like, okay, you just, it's an unnecessary comment at that point.

And also not. Absolutely. I'm like, realize. And people's relationships are different. Like somebody could be bad in a relationship with somebody else, but then really good with you depending on where their feelings lie. Like you feel a stronger... He feels a stronger connection with you

than he did with this girl, unfortunately. And so that's normal. You only end up with one person. You're going to go through many breakups. Do I, you know, if that was the case, do I wish he could have told her straight out instead of ghosting her for a reality TV show? A hundred percent.

But he didn't. That doesn't mean... And there's nothing I can do about it. And that doesn't mean he's going to do it to you. Like, I think that's important. I think that people just immediately run with, oh, well, he did it to her. He's going to do it to you. Well, that's not necessarily the case.

You guys have a different relationship. Right. And one thing I will really commend him on is he's never defensive. Whenever we fight or get into arguments, like we don't actually fight but just have a miscommunication. This stuff comes up. He's always like, you're right. I see what you're saying.

I get it. He never tries to be like, well, this. this, this, you know. And I was like, that's a really good sign in a partner, that they're willing to work hard to be with you. Yeah. And if you guys have these conversations behind the scenes, that's great, too.

I think, you know, a lot of people were upset that the picture from high school wasn't brought up during the live show. And there are times when you're like, yes, if you're going to put up the text from the girlfriend, or not even a girl he dated, like, then have that conversation also. But I said it's not even your thing to answer.

That's what I was like, I'm not, right, like, that's not up to you. Like, that was totally his thing. So we were saying, like, this isn't about Gabby. Eric can speak on it, but Gabby doesn't have to answer for. Thank you. And I'm prepared to. Yeah, yeah. If you want me to.

No, I don't think that's right to do to you. And I don't think that people should have to go to you and say, oh, you need to answer for what your fiancé did. Right. Well, and it's like, I know, like, we're a team now and kind of united in that way. So obviously I had to think about it and be like where what is actually, you know, like how, where and when did things go wrong and how do we deal with it moving forward. So we've had lots of discussions. Like I don't, I think obviously there's no excuses. He should take accountability.

And I don't like, it's not like, oh, well, the conversation has switched gears because Tino's a cheater. And like, you know, things are like a different. But it's like it doesn't, I don't, that's not necessarily. good for me because obviously as a society we still need to be having these conversations. I don't want for me it was like I think people thought I was shying away from the conversation but like we were only just yesterday a couple. Yeah, yeah. You know, nobody really knew if we were engaged or not and this is my first opportunity to talk about it.

Yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. And I think, you know, it was a very long show. And we were like how. Could have found a few minutes there. But yeah, right. between the first impression

rose, whatever it was happening there. That would have to take the hour? That was a 45 minute ordeal. I have no idea what happened. They brought out five women.

Zach met all of them. Jesse Palmer then asked him if he could remember any of their names. He couldn't remember any of their names. That was, well, we had like, that was our thing. I don't have one of them.

I don't know. It happened. I wouldn't need to. because you know when there's something so exciting happening? I understand him not remember. You're like, Jesse being like, what's your name? And then he was like, you're hot. That's not right.

But the Twitter voted for the girl they liked the most, and she got the first impression rose. So does it carry over to the show? Yeah, it does. No way. So now she's saying. Oh, my gosh, she's probably on top of the world. Yeah, she was really cute. I would be so wasted night one. If I already had the rose, I'm like, who are you guys? I have a rose.

It doesn't matter. Was your guys' first impression of the guys, did that stay true to throughout the season? Like, did you have any sort of inkling that Eric was the one or could be a strong contender as the one? And for you, I mean, I'm not going to lie, Ria said Rachel and Tino are engaged after the first episode.

I said I was like, they're engaged. I didn't foresee. Yeah. Yes. The other part, but I was like, they were definitely engaged. I think for Tino, though, It was like so much, like, confidence. And when someone's like, oh, you, like, basically, like, you like, you like, you like, you like, oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Whatever, you know. It's like a man quality. Yeah, it really, it was, it was definitely like him and I think Jordan V, like, were the two night one that I was like, these guys are really like blowing everyone out of the water. I'm so, absolutely. But yeah. But yeah. So, I don't know.

I mean, it was never like, you, like, I don't know. It's so confusing. You don't know right away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. growth, I feel. I didn't give it to Eric

because his head was so big. So fair. I'm like, this guy, no way, never next. And thank God for that after watching. I know. After his attitude on the first night where he wanted to rose from both of us. Yeah, he's like, I just want to say.

You're actually so dead to me. Yeah, I'm like, you did come from her for an opportunity. Like, get out of here. That's so funny. It is fun. And, you know, we saw those final guys for you, Gabby, and it did feel like there were a lot of men that had this moment of like, oh my God, I'm on a TV show. And it was like, wait, you came on this show. That's my life. My pickers off. I like, I don't know. It's mine. I'm not making good decisions. It was crazy to kind of see things dissolve with Jason where it was like, wait, you guys have a connection. But now he's like, I don't know you. It was like, wait, what? I know. It was shocking for me and I was next to her, like, yeah, let alone watching it all back.

I think it was just the environment for him. Like, he knew he knew me. He just didn't know whether to believe it. And, like, if I was manufactured. One of his family members sign him up for the show. Like, do you know how he ended up on the show? I think a friend. Yeah, it had to have been.

Yeah, because they do not know what's best for you. Yeah. And I think that's what I had to have been. We, I think we picked up on that at the beginning of the season because I remember calling him vanilla wallpaper. Yeah, he was always like this. Yeah. And he was so all in on her. Like, and it was so refreshing.

He saved private on Instagram for a while too. And that was like, wait a second. Yeah, I know through everyone who are loose. People were really upset that I called him that because they were like, no, he's just anxious being on TV. And I was like, okay, then why, like, why are you on the show? Like, I just, sometimes I don't understand that. Like, of course everyone's going to be anxious and have their nerves, but it's like, if you are truly not this kind of person, you should not go on the show.

Or if you're willing to, like, take a risk, then, like, deliver kind of like do it for yourself go all in you know lean in is what they always tell us better for worse but um but yeah there was like lots of reservation it's just yeah wasn't the environment there was a a point in the season where tino got upset that he didn't get one of the roses and he was like i hit all my marks or something like that's literally ridiculous like so many things that we didn't see watching that back are you like that was a red flag i mean i think a lot of the boys were picking up on like activity, I want to say, like, what, behavior. Yeah, yeah.

Like that's sort of similar to something we went through on our season and it just was never brought to me. And all I know is this conversation that I'm having for however many minutes and then I don't like see anything. And so it's like when you're watching it back, you're like, well, yeah, there you go. It would have been nice for wanting you to tell me that. Yeah. But then it's, oh, it's so tricky because then you're like, you don't want the snitches.

Because the snitch is one thing. And because the snitches then get friends on. Get stitches. Because, yes, and they also get friend zone because they're like, they don't, now you're not going to see that guy who snitch to you. You're just going to see them as like, oh, that's my, that's my guy. But there's a point where the snitch, because we had a snitch. Yeah. Like, there's a point where it's like, this is too much.

And it got to that point where it was too much. And, I mean, I would have loved to have known. I don't blame them, like you said. Definitely you don't want to be that person. But if let's all band together and be like, maybe it was not. Yeah. It was, um, the people don't compare in my opinion. but when Hannah Brown season,

Luke P. was really awful. Like, he was bad. And everyone watching was like, how is he making it this far? And then I think afterwards, she was like, I didn't see any of that. And it was one of those things when we were all watching, we were like, how is this guy?

But then you forget. You don't. You really only see them when they're with you. That was the same thing with Jason, honestly, is that he was having these conversations with his family way before he was having them with me. So people were like DMing me. Jason doesn't want to marry you.

I'm like, thank you. I'm watching, but I didn't know. It is Bachelor Nation. They can be, they're so supportive, but then also they will go at you. They will literally turn on a dime mid-episode. Two minutes later, they're on some side, then they're on this side. And it's just insane to have to be in the crossfire of it at all times. Yeah.

How was your conversation with Avin that we saw kind of. of backstage. It looked like a good hug. It looked good. Comforting hug. It truly is. And I always like, me and Gabby talked about this, even was always like that person I felt the absolute safest with. Like I told my parents this. Like he truly was just someone I trusted completely and looked to in hard times. And so to see him out of the corner of my eye, I was like, oh my gosh. It was like, it was amazing. And I was like, what are you doing here? I'm like, did you want to be here? Like, what's happening? So we got to talk and just he's so supportive. And we did just get a chance to have like off mic time

which is so huge for us like we are always on camera so we talked about a lot it was nice and and to be able to like catch up after such a hard conversation yeah what are your guys plans for the future where will you be living Gabby and are you continuing to be a pilot

because I was laughing when your dad was talking to some of the guys I love her dad's dedication and he was like well you know right my dad's got to work yeah yeah he'll be like It's to work now. I think I tweeted like, that's really cute that he thinks she's still going to be a pilot,

which is a joke. But I'm just wondering like, yeah. Yeah, it's like, right. Like, what's going to happen? Yeah. No, I feel like there is this thing with pilots. So it's so weird. Like, pilot P.

went back. Like, it is just something that when you're a pilot, you love it so much. So I definitely, like, can't wait to go back. My dad was so pissed at me when I told him I was going on the bachelor. He's like, so you're just going to take three months off flying. I think so. Maybe I'll make it a week. He's a stage dad, but for pilots.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, no, I definitely look forward to going back. And I'm moving to California, so it'll be, like, fun to fly out there and not in Florida. So I'm excited for that, yeah. Yeah. And Gabby, you're on Dancing with the Stars right now. Oh, we know that.

I'm a big Dancing with the Stars fanatic. I love it. And you were absolutely amazing. Thank you. Already. I think people, like, there is a reputation of the Bachelors being good. Right. I know.

Scary. I also saw Robert Mills tweet Rachel that he was like, no, Rachel argued for Gabby to be on this show. Oh, yeah. And we knew we had to pass her after that. I was like, you know what? Gabby should be getting dancing with stars. You don't be really cool if Gabby was a dancer. I was like, she loves to dance.

I think he's like, okay, Rachel, I literally just met you. He wouldn't let up. No, it was the way. I got a napkin. No, yeah. Talked like Gabby for dancing at the stars. Was that like a dream of yours? was like, yeah, just because I've, I have been a dancer. I'm not like super technically trained,

but even just being in the ballroom with the outfits and stuff, it is like a childhood dream. But he did tell me, he was like, you wouldn't be here without Rachel. I'm like, I know. She got there all on her. I know. We can all see that too. Because there were people being like, Gabby's on, Rachel's not. How do they feel about that? So it is nice to hear that you were like put Gabby on. Well, yeah, and we're separate people. Like, I mean, we have completely different interests. And of course, like we were bachelor's together, but I cannot wait to see her shine in this area and whatever I do. And I'm really actually happy that we have the chance to be our own people in a way. But obviously, I'm still going to

be there on the floor screaming for her. You have to. But no, I'm excited to like see her enter this next chapter because she deserves it so so much. Yeah, well, we will be voting for you. Yeah. I think you were. Yeah. We are five, two, three. We are past voters. I'm like, I'm like it. I'm an avid voter. I don't even watch the show. I don't even watch, but I voted for Hannah and I voted for Caitlin. You don't need to watch. As long as you hit the time zone.

Yeah. Between 8 and like 9.30, make sure you vote. And I voted for Ramon Shumpert. Yeah, yes. He did like a mom Shumperd. Oh, yeah. Who is that? He was on a basketball player.

He won last season. Yeah, last season. Yeah, yeah. So we're very excited. I do think we'll wrap up. I want to say, I think, throughout watching this entire season, there was ups downs. We had a lot to say. The world had a lot to say.

a lot to say, but you guys always stayed united, which was really impressive. Yeah, we did. It was really impressive because I don't think anybody could do that. A lot of people would do that. We always joke that we probably couldn't have done it. I think people, I think for drama, people wanted to root for something like that to happen. Like, oh, this will cause drama between the girls. And I think, like you just said, you guys are separate people, even though you did the season together. And it's important that you both take on your next chapter. I think that's so important because that was a concern at the start of the season. Like, they're going to be compared, they're doing this together,

but to see you guys both go on your journeys and your separate ways but still together is very nice. Yeah, very impressive. We gave them enough drama as it was. They didn't need us too. You guys didn't even fight for the drama. There was enough. I love that the people magazine spread at the end of the season

was the two of you together. I know. It's like how it started, how it ends up. Yeah, exactly, which is nice. And it's, you know, now we have Zach as a bachelor, so I guess they're not going to make the guys do it. But I think it's going to be interesting. I think people are going to miss like the double format.

Yeah. Because there's different storylines. There's more to pay attention to. And then going back to one person carrying the whole season, that's a lot of pressure. I can't even imagine. But I don't know. Did you see Amanda Seifred? You know who that is?

Yeah. She was like I can never. She was like this is the best like double seasons. I don't want it to ever go back to normal. Oh my gosh. It was a funny clip. Yeah. Yeah.

So we'll see if they ever do it again. But you guys absolutely, you know, you crushed it. You guys kept your. friendship, which is all everybody was really hoping for when it was announced in the first place. Yeah. Oh my gosh, when we first got out there, there's no way they're friends. We're like, we're done filming. And like we're still. Yeah. I mean, not to pile on, but in the fact that there is one engagement that is alive. Yeah, literally, I'm like, she's the only thing I have out of this. So thank God she was here. Otherwise, I literally don't know what I would do. I'd have to step out of Zach, uh, the

one over Zach. Let's try again. Oh, but you're not out of the question. You're not on Paradise, right? Because people saw you in the promo. Well, I do go down to the beach. You go down, but not as a contestant? I don't know. Tune in.

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