Chicks in the Office - Keke Palmer Interview, Topics w/ Justin Sylvester + Beat Ria & Fran Game 4

Episode Date: April 21, 2021

E!'s Justin Sylvester joins us to talk Demi Lovato vs Froyo, Dayna leaving Vanderpump Rules, Bennett shooting his shot with Kelley Flanagan, Colton Underwood's announcement + the state of The Bachelor franchise (16:08-1:14:45). Game 4 of Beat Ria & Fran with Sydney & Michael (1:17:42-1:43:33). Interview with Keke Palmer – talking her new Audible show Hit Job, growing up in the industry, True Jackson, VP reboot + more! (1:45:24-2:18:04). CITO merch > http://bit.ly/citomerch. Follow us on Instagram @chicksintheoffice and on Twitter @chicksintheoff + subscribe to our Snapchat show > http://bit.ly/thegroupchat & our YouTube > http://bit.ly/CITOYOUTUBE.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/chicks-in-the-office

Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rianne, giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. Francesca Mariano, here in the flesh. She's sitting right here wearing a weddress. Shirt.

I know. It didn't rhyme. It didn't rhyme. I know you were going on a dress, even though it. You know, that's what happens when we don't get to have music on the show. Right. You just got our singing, which is, we can't keep talking about it because it's annoying. I know, but it makes me sad because I was just like, we have Kiki Palmer on this episode.

She's fantastic. Amazing. So good. And the fact that we can't go into this interview playing bottoms up is a, just, it's a sin. If Fran and I record music, would you be able to put it in, Noah? We could, but I thought you guys. We're, No, I legitimately think people would stop listening if we like saying.

In between topics. Hear me out. No, we're not going to sing in between topics. Blondotti. Okay. But like, what do you want to do with that? Oh, well, we get all our music, I guess. From the beginning, the intro.

Yeah, yeah. Like, if we didn't have Harry Styles, maybe, but like, I don't think. What do we go into trivia with? I have a trivia song. Oh, okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. A jingle?

Yeah. Bonthody. Blondati will find its way. Actually, remember that song. that we were going to, that one time you're going to walk onto cutting stems and we're going to have that music. I use that for that. Perfect.

Perfect. So I, nothing personal, but I got some juice that I picked up on the internet. And it's not a topic for today, but I think it's very interesting. Did you know, Travis Barker's daughter, Alabama Barker, who is 15 years old, she's gorgeous. She doesn't look 15. Does not. Does not look 15. she is good friends with Jordan Woods's sister and they post TikToks together.

Jordan Woods's sister. And they post TikToks together. Okay. Now, Corny Kardashian is obviously around them, right? Her and Travis Barker. Do you think that Jordan Woods' sister is then picking up the tea and then delivering it back to the Kardashians? Like, isn't that such a weird connection?

You think Jordan Wood's sister is hearing? what's going on with our Kardashians and going to tell Jordan? Yes. That could possibly be happening, right? It's just a weird, a weird tidbit that I picked up on the internet. They're all so intertwined that I feel like Jordan would always have a way to find out what's going on with them. You know?

It kind of just felt like everybody surrounding them stop talking to Jordan Woods in general. Well, absolutely. It's just they're like the range of people that the car. Kardashians have associations with. It's such a spider web that somehow something's getting back to them. So true. Honestly, it wasn't that juicy. It's just something that I gathered this information last night popped up on my

4-U page and I was like, whoa, this is something. Anyways, when you see it, it's like, oh, oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that. Just I had to throw that out there, something new. Yeah. What's going on in the personal life? In my personal life, not much. Like I said, it is stressful.

I'm going to keep talking about it literally until I move. Right. It's just, got, found a couch, though. Congrats. Super exciting. Step one, found a couch. Purchased. Step two is move in.

Step two is move in. Step three is literally fine all other pieces of furniture. But it's hard because I've said this a million times, right? Like, I don't own any of my furniture. None of the stuff is mine. We get it. No, but even the stuff in my room. Mooching for so long.

Like my bed that I sleep on, not my bed. The rug in my room, not my rug. You were a complete mooch. Mooch city. So she is moving out five days before. My movers come. Not that I even really have anything to move. It's my clothes in the belt on.

But her moves are coming five days before. And she's like, well, I hate to break it to you. But you kind of have to have your entire room emptied because the rug is underneath everything and she has to take that. So I... This is what you texted me last night. Yes. Or today, today. I didn't answer.

I'm really... Yeah, that is true. I didn't mean to. I just wanted to hang out with you and then you couldn't and after that you lost my attention. Logistically, I have to like take out everything in the drawers, in the dressers and figure out even where I'm going to put that stuff and then I got to find someone. one I got to find people to help me take the dressers down to the street but then I also have to get the trash company or like a junk removal people or the city to come pick it up because you can't

just have a certain size you can't just leave it on the sidewalk for the garbage to pick up New York City rules so I got it's just it's a lot you're dealing with a lot right now we're going to get through it yep I just want to drink so bad like I just want a freaking good weather it's really nice weather out I think I'm going to do that after work yeah um going to get a drink of some sort. And yeah, just enjoy that. I'm excited. I'm excited for things coming up in the future for Chicks in the Office. I've really had my eyes set on this LA trip that I just needed to come, come sooner. Yeah. We got some fun, fun stuff planned. You're right. It's, well, we're just, I don't know, I think we're just reaching a more exciting time.

Definitely. You know, weather's getting nicer. People are getting vaccinated. Vaccinations all around. Noah got his second shot today. I did. How you feeling? Orchestra was great again. The Javit Center is amazing. I got my first shot this week as well. The second one is on Sunday.

I was sitting there today thinking like just looking around like this is like very historic like in like 50 years. Like just think about it. That's so nice. I thought about it too but in a darker way. Like I when I watched in the Javit Center it was so organized but also organized in like a scary way. I was like,

this feels potentially like the apocalypse. It feels like divergent. Yes. When you're walking out and you see all the people still waiting and it's just like, it seems fake. Yeah.

Yeah. It really seems like it's from a movie. What's the movie with Merrill Streep and the world is like in black and white and then it slowly kind of goes back to color. I'm blanking the giver. The giver. It has the giver vibes.

If you've seen that movie, yeah, it's, it's, um, and just like, you know the woman who speaks. There's like a, I said this to you guys yesterday, I came back.

But you walk in and you hear it on the loudspeaker, she's loudspeaker. She was like, welcome to the Javitt Center. This is the COVID-19 vaccination. Like, this is the COVID-19 vaccination center. Like it's like, it's like, buckle up. There was a funny guy who was like, if you didn't get a sticky, go to one of the soldiers. Like he kept saying that to everyone. He's like, get a sticky so you can show everyone you got vaccinated.

I got to be honest. I love that because I feel like that's one of those things that to himself is making it laugh so hard. Yeah, you got to keep yourself entertained. He has to do that all day. So he's like, I'm just going to start calling it Stikis. And in my head, it's going to be hilarious. Oh, it's great.

I mean, the Java Center, there's a mundane jobs like that. Yeah. There's a step and repeat. There's a, when I walked out, there is a step and repeat. There's a selfie, a selfie stage photo. Like, it says, I've got to find that. I took a picture of it because I was dying. I didn't take a selfie, but I took a picture of the sign.

I took a picture both times of the number of people vaccinated when I left. Just so I knew. It said MTA, official selfie station. And you can take a selfie of yourself in front of this little thing that says, hashtag team vaccine. I got the shot. It's just an arm. Oh, man. So it's nice.

I mean, they make it fun. And I believe the CDC has said now that 50% plus of Americans have at least gotten their first shot now. That's awesome. It's great news because I feel like what they say, they're like, oh, when you're vaccinated, you could be around other people that are vaccinated. when you travel, you don't have to take tests. All Americans are eligible now. You can just, yeah, everyone's eligible. You can just get it.

You can go, you can travel because they say if you got the vaccination. So things are looking up. The summer's looking up. I'm very excited. I feel like I have a few trips planned for the summer. I'm going to go to San Diego for the first time, which I'm excited about. Listen to this. San Diego is a place where I'm always like, I think that I just like really want to

move to San Diego. Right. Never been to San Diego. I have no idea if I want to live there But I just always say I do I've never been. Have you ever been to Santa Barbara? No

That's really nice The only time I've been to California is with you guys Yeah Oh true Just you guys And we're going back again Just us

Like we only go This is our fourth It's our fourth time We're our fourth time We only go to California As a trio It's only work, never play I have mixed with play

We have a good time I had only been one time Before We all went as a group with my mom and it was a sick college if you guys have any recommendations for really good restaurants in

the Malibu area send our way because I was thinking about this last night I was talking to somebody and I was like yeah Fran and I actually have only really been to Tom Tom when we go that person is like in and I've never been to Tom Tom Tom I was like yeah it's embarrassing

it's lame Tom Tom delicious it's good but we got to open our horizon so we'll do that we'll do that maybe we'll put out a little vlog will be a fun thing and hopefully we'll get some cool interviews and we got a fun thing going on with MTV but we'll talk more about that when it gets closer to the date we have a super fun show today it's jam packed we got trivia obviously we do that every Wednesday now tell us a couple this time yeah it's a couple which is really excited and let us know how you guys are feeling about the trivia segment we really enjoy doing it but we want to know that you guys enjoy

listening I was just looking through my emails and someone from Panama was like like begging to be on the trivia. I'm like, that's pretty cool. That is awesome. We got to get them on. Yeah, so let us know how you guys feel about it.

If you enjoy listening to it, then let us know. And if the answer is more so that you enjoy listening to it, like say there's like 20 people, a DM, they're like, we love it. And then there's like three that we're like, we don't like it.

Yeah. We're going to keep doing it. You've been overruled. You've been overruled. Overruled. Moving on. Yes. We also have a great interview with Kiki Palmer.

She is so awesome. Stacked episode. Stack episode. If you're listening, I was going to say, I highly recommend listening, but you're already listening. Super motivational. She'll get you pumped up. Joe loves Kiki Palmer and he asked me like how the interview went and I was like, it was so great.

And he was like, well, what did you guys talk about? And I was like, honestly, I can't even really tell you. Like it was just everything she said was just amazing. Everything. Everything she said just was inspirational and just fun and funny and just like you strive to be like Kiki Palmer. Because he was like, well, tell me what you guys talked about. I was like, I can't even, you just have to listen to it. Right.

And also, you get a little inside scoop for something maybe happening. Yeah. Maybe happening with Nickelodeon, if you know what I mean. So we'll get into that. And then we are also going through our topics with Justin Sylvester. We're talking about Demi Lovato versus the Froyo plays. Also, Dana is leaving Vanderpump rules. And Bennett has got his eyes set on Kelly Flanagan.

Yes, he does. does. Do we have anything else you wanted to say? No, cut this part out. I'm trying to think. What time is it? It's 420. 420. Oh my God. Oh my God. Keep this in. Keep this in. It's 420 on 420. So, uh, you know. Taking a screenshot. Just soak in the moment. Okay. Yeah. Soak in the moment. Today's my cousin's birthday. Isn't that just like such a funny birthday to have? That is a funny birthday. I haven't smoked nearly enough today, actually. I smoked once. And, it was actually for an ad. Like I didn't even really, you know.

Well, here's the thing. You have your time. The day will end. I'm not like a big like 420 person. Yeah, yeah. Did you see that in New York at the park? Yeah. You know,

show you're vaccinated and 21 and older. They're handing out free joints. Seems kind of sketchy. Potentially, but if you're in the park and they're advertising, like that you're doing it, then you got to be fairly legit. Yeah. How does it? It's like, if you're, if you're, it's definitely legit.

I forget who, yeah. who's running it, I think it's a medical marijuana thing where they're like the least we can do Right. Is that, because imagine if it was like not, um, not, uh, you know, where was more sketchy, it was more like underground. Like they wouldn't be like post, they wouldn't be sending out press releases. And now that it's legal in New York. Like it's, yeah.

I don't think you can smoke like outside though still. Like that's, that's not legal. That's not legal anywhere. Like, it's like alcohol. You can't drink outside. I mean. Then where would you smoke? They're going to have, like, designated, like, once everything's set up, like, bars, but, but, like, in your home.

Yeah, but, like, in California, you can't smoke outside. You can't smoke outside. Like, even in Amsterdam, they don't want you to smoke, like, on the streets. Yeah, but isn't that the same rule with, like, cigarettes technically and people don't care? No, I mean, you can smoke, you have to smoke cigarettes outside. I don't know the rules. I don't, I don't, I truly don't know the rules. This could be one of those where I'm, like, very confident and not, right?

But, like, I actually, when you did that with the chiropractors. Mm-hmm. He didn't want me to bring that. To be honest, I had the same thought popped in my head and I was like, I'm not going to say it. Well, we never addressed it. And I wanted to just get my shot in and there it was. Noah fucked up when he said that chiropractors don't go to school. That's on record.

Noah, do you agree you fuck? I won't make you apologize. Just say you fucked up. I was wrong. You were wrong. We won't make you say sorry, though. That's too much. All right, let's get into it.

Let's get into the topics, starting off with Justin Silvester, doing the topics with us. doing them all with Justin Sylvester. Guys, it's time to get out of that winter hibernation. We're getting into spring now. Summers around the corner. We're shaking those winter feels off of us. I know I have. Shake them off.

I have shaken off those winter fields. And honestly, I've done that with the help of... It's April 2021 starting. Yeah, 2021. 2020 starts next week, guys. And the way that I'm getting ready for the new year is with care. of care of vitamins. They are great. They are catered to you. You fill out an online quiz, a personal quiz. You can do it with your friends. It's fun. Fran and I've done it together. You're like,

oh, I think you need a little help with that. Oh, I think you need a little help with that. Sometimes you need a friend to tell you what you really got going on. Exactly. Give it to you straight up. So you go online to take care of.com. You fill out the quiz. Takes five minutes. And then they curate vitamins for you little cute packages with your name on it daily. You're not, you don't have all the bottles mixed up in your house. Just these little packages every day waiting for you i take iron every day i take vitamin d every day i keep mine in my bath fish oil every day it's so easy it's so convenient so right now if you go to take care of dot com and enter code c i t o 50 you can get yourself some vitamins get on that wave get on that path that's what you

want to be on vitamins really do help improve your whole overall lifestyle it's important getting to that routine waking up every morning and pop in those vitamins from care of cater to you. It's not like you're headed to the store and you're like, well, which vitamins do I want to take now? You don't have like 15 different bottles. No, it's, it's easy. It's personalized for yourself.

So go to take care of.com and get 50% off with CITO 50. Like I want to kiss a random. Like I just want to kiss a stranger. I want to kiss a stranger. Yeah. I feel like everybody just wants to kiss a stranger at this point. I want to sniff somebody. Yeah.

I want to sniff. I want to sniff. I want to get close enough to a stranger to where I can sniff them and like smell the iris spring on like a straight dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got what you're saying. But you were, man, were you in the hospital? Is that what we were hearing? Hold on, bitch.

It was crazy. Hold on. Let me take this invisible line out. No, yeah, I was in the hospital. I, in a nutshell, I fell off a bike in college. And I let the problem just build up. I would, you know, get checked for it once a year. And everyone would say, okay, we can fix it like in the office really quickly.

And it was like, fine. I stayed on top of it. And when COVID hit, you know, doctor's offices really changed. And, you know, it was only if an emergency do you call and get in. So I went almost two years without checking on the problem. And finally, you know, COVID kind of laxed. and people were vaccinated and my doctor's office open. And I went in thinking it was going to be like a routine checkup.

And she was like, okay, so you waited too long. And you're going to have to get this operated on by Friday. Oh, my gosh. So so fast. So fast. Were you expecting that at all? Or you were just like, oh, I'm just going in regular checkup, whatever. Girl, I had a whole lunch plan afterwards.

I was going to Mexico. I was going to Mexico trying to like go meet friends. Like I had a whole weekend plan like bathing suits, swim trunks, dipping in the water. I had no clue that this was going to happen. So I was in shock when I heard it. And I had no time to mentally prepare.

I had never had surgery before my life. It's scary. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I mean, we were, we had used. It was scheduled for last. week and our producer was like, we can still do it. He said I'll do it from the hospital.

We were like, what? No, he's got to rest. Like, he will do it next week. Like, he definitely doesn't need to do it from the hospital. I know you people at E are workaholics. I know you are. I see you. I see Nina Parker all the time. You're not sleeping. I'm like, of course he's saying he would do it, but no. No, I'm telling you, but you probably would have had a real good episode. I was saying all kinds of. I'm so happy that my cameras don't record sound because the things that were flying out of my mom on these pain meds. It's crazy.

But to be honest, God, I'm really going there with you guys. I, you know, understand and I've lived with people who are addicts and addicted to things. And like alcohol, I can totally understand and I'm totally in. But when you talk about painkillers, I don't know how people get addicted to them. the constipation alone would drive me crazy 100% and also they make you sick too

I remember I've had like two surgeries and the first time I took them I was like puking because they just made me so nauseous and then the second time I had the same situation that you were talking about but also I will say like when you like obviously you know the addiction thing very bad I'm not I'm not advertising painkillers that all aside we all get that

but the little bit that you get after surgery, you're like, this is awesome. And you know it's going to stop. You know it's going to stop after like a week. You're like, all right, I'm just going to take this in. I remember I was telling my parents. I was like, I want to go to the club right now. They're like, no, you sound crazy, but you feel so good.

You just feel so good. It's all fun in games until like you need a doula for the first time you're going to take a shit. Like I could have hired a midwife in this motherfucker. I was breathing. I was like leaning on the side of my bed. It's one of those when you got to take, when you got to take your shirt off, you're like sweating so much. Yeah. No, you have to like light a candle, like put on some inia. Yeah. And for me, like I know my body is healthy when I am regular, when I'm on a regular basis. And I, you know, right before the show, I like to go do, do, do do do. And, you know, I'm like a seven-year-old.

Yeah. I'll like, you know, swing my, you know, tapping a good time. Yeah. Having a good time. So after like, like, four days of, you know, being on the pain relievers, I came to. And I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. I haven't literally done. I haven't done that. Yeah. And it honestly took me a moment to grasp what I had gotten myself into. And there was some panic because I knew the minute. And I started freebase in that colase. Girl, I was eating that colase. Like it was gummy bears. Okay. Didn't help. It was horrible. It was terrible. man. You really,

you've really been through it. Yeah. You really went through it. I've been through it. Oh, next time, I don't care if it's open heart surgery. Keep me awake because I know that anesthesia is a mess. Yeah.

And I will take ibuprofen all day. That's great. No, you're crazy. You're crazy. You know that there is a doctor in New York. His name is, I can't, I don't know if I can say his name.

That's my hip, yeah. He does facelifts. He does facelifts under twilight. No. And Twilight is basically like you're awake, but you're not there. You don't feel anything. You don't feel anything?

On your face? Oh, God. On your face? Because they say the healing process is faster because your body doesn't have to restart itself and have to drain the anesthesia. I get it. At the same time, I get it, but it sounds so terrifying. The safe that you get, I don't know. Oh, we got to get into the topic. It sounds so terrifying.

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. As always. As always. We can talk. forever. Before we start breaking everything down, we noticed that you've gone through, when did you change your Instagram name? Yeah. Now you're at Justin A. Sylvester. When the hell did that happen? Because you were the lady sitter. Wait, can we talk about this on the, on the, on the, when we start

the interview? Yeah. I feel like do you not want to talk about it publicly? Oh, I felt like we had already started. No, I'll talk. I'll talk about it. Yeah, I'll talk about it. Okay, okay. Let me just introduce you quickly. All right. Because we didn't do that. Oh, I thought. Oh, I thought. I thought we were already going too. I mean we can, oh, I was going interview you. All right. You know, let's just keep this all in. We're here with Justin Sylvester from E. You know, we love him. He's been on the show before. We usually talk about the pop culture topics. We've been talking this whole time. So we'll keep all that in. But I want everybody to know who we're talking to. So you were formally the lady sitter on Instagram. You changed your name. Fran pointed out. It's a rebrand. Yeah. Why did

you do that? Um, two words. Michelle Obama. Oh, okay. Michelle Obama said my first and last name. Say no more. Say no more. Yeah. She said my first and last name in an interview. Really? And she gave me a compliment. And she said, Justin Sylvester, you're on the right track. And that day, I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll just, maybe it's time for a change.

And I have been thinking, because let me let you know something. When you're the lady sitter, women love you. Women want to be your best friend. They will buy a product that you endorse because you are the lady sitter and you know a lot. but no man wants to do the nasty to a man named the ladies sitter. Okay. Have you run into that problem? Yeah, everybody friends owns me.

Like people are like, oh, the ladies sitter. And then you have to explain what it means like the ladies that are like, you know, people don't talk in phone numbers anymore. So when you're at a gay club and you're in Miami and you're like, yeah, you need a hot guy. Follow me on Instagram. And then it's like, holy shit, you're on TV. You're like everybody's black gay friend at 10 o'clock in the morning. Like, it's a little daunting.

And, you know, I was going to keep it. But I felt like once Michelle Obama hit it and once I started doing Trends Day, Wednesday on the Today Show, I kind of sort of to need to be a little bit more serious. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Once, like, once Hoda is involved, you got to.

Well, once Michelle Obama is saying your name. No, 100%. And I feel like also you're like, oh, shit, she just said my name. Now when people go to search me, how are they going to find me? and then your name is right there. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I always said I'll change it when it makes sense. Because when I started at E, I didn't have that many followers.

I loved the lady sitter. I thought I was going to take it in more of a lifestyle kind of way, you know, almost in a goop. Right. But in a more practical kind of way, you know, given women, all of these great products that make sense for the everyday mom and things that I saw that Kyle used that my other client, use that made sense, but that didn't break the bank. That's where I thought ladies sitter was going to go.

And when I got to E, it was like, no, you're going to be a news host and a news journalist. And, you know, I thought to myself, at some point I'm going to have to change this. It's going to go in a different direction. And someone said, you'll know when it's time. So once Hoda, Michelle Obama met at that corner of that intersection. It was time. It's time. Yeah. And I feel like now you can separate the both, both of them, right? Like you're Justin Sylvester. That's who you are. That is your Instagram. But the lady sitter can be a brand of its own. So you could separate the two. For sure. And you know, I love the lady sitter. And I have known the lady sitter since I was 17 years. That's when I got my first lady sitting client. And I lady sat until I was the last day I was 29. And even when I had

Daily Pop, when I first got it, the first two years, I kept two clients because I didn't know where the show was going to go. And I also, like, I was very devoted to them. They weren't taking no for an answer. So the ladies sitter had kind of stuck with me for a long time. It wasn't until we sold the show that I felt like, oh, I can give it to somebody else. And I can put it into somebody else's hands to craft the story. And I'm happy with the change. I'm excited.

And I've grown so much since I started Daily Pop five years ago. And I want to keep on going. Who knows? I might be the host formerly known as Justin in two months. You never know. The name could change. Totally. Let's get into the topics that we want to discuss with you.

We are going to start off with the Demi Lovato Froyo situation. Biggest story all week. Yeah, it's the biggest story all week. And so bizarre. It's so bizarre and it's like this is the top headline. Right. It's a top headline. And so Fran and I have not discussed it yet, actually.

Yeah. We haven't discussed it on any platforms yet. And we are so excited to first talk about it with you because I think that you are super honest, you tell it how it is, but you also give a little insight to the celebrity. I mean, you're around them. You know what it's like. So here's the deal with the Demi Lovato situation. If you haven't been paying attention, Demi Lovato posted on her Instagram about this place called the Big Chill in L.A. It's a frozen yogurt place. She said that she felt triggered when she walked in being greeted by sugar-free options, dairy-free options. And then the Big Chill responded and they

said, hey, you know, we've been doing this way for 36 years. Demi Lovato was not happy with their reply. She went in on the. She went in. She went in. She said your service was terrible. She really shook them down. And they, I felt like they were kind of holding their ground where they didn't think they did anything wrong. And now it's, it's turned into this, I think, big mess because I think a lot of people were confused on how to feel about it, right? Because you're like, well, what's what's the problem with sugar-free options? What's the problem with dairy-free options? Some people that have celiac or are vegan or other things. They need those options.

And that's why people have them. So, but then somebody found an old post from the Big Chill. And I don't know if you guys saw this. It was like, I think from 2016, it was old. And it said like, eat me guilt-free cookies. And so then Demi Lovato started posting that. But in my head, I was kind of just like, that, that was, that's not even what you were talking about because now you're just stealing what everyone else is like.

pumping at you. That's in 2016. She got onto Instagram live and kind of tried to apologize. And it really blew up in a way that I'm assuming she didn't think it would, but it really escalated so much. So we're curious what you kind of made out of, made out of all of this. Look. Yeah.

I love when a celebrity gets passionate about something. And, you know, whatever form of activism that you have and what you pick up, it might not be, my hill that I want to die on. But when I first woke up and saw this story, the first thing I thought was, thank God we have something else to talk about besides Harry and Megan in this funeral. Like, I'm just, since that interview, I'm just, I don't want to hear about Harry Megan.

And I'm sure Megan was like, thank you, Demi Lovato. I needed a break. I bitch she needed a break. Right, right. Can I only so much Megan Markle, so much Travis and Courtney. Just a lot. And Demi Lovato's like, Demi Lovato's like, please, Megammerlevado do something else.

and take the spotlight off me now. Yes. Courtney stuck that thumb again so I can go ahead. Exactly. Suck his dick next time. Let's make it even bigger. Yes. You know, but I also woke up to the reports that 27 people had been shot in Chicago,

one being a little girl and her father and a McDonald's drive-thru. And I think to myself, is this the hill you're going to die on when we have the Derek Chauvin, George Floyd trial going on? when black lives are still not mattering in the world, when gun violence is at its peak, this is what you are going to pick. With that being said, I also have dated someone in the program.

And what I've learned through going through the program with Samadhi is that a lot of times when people are newly sober, this is going to come out wrong, but I'm going to say it. They get it a little self-righteous. And they're preachy. and they get, you know, on these bandwagons, not because they want to, but because they really feel clear and they really want people to see their disposition. Right.

Now, going into a dessert spot and finding options that you don't like and then feeling triggered about them after these people have been open for 36 years is like going to Ralph's and feeling triggered that they have produce. Right. So you almost like it's it just was the wrong thing to go after. I find. Yeah. I just felt like it was I can understand where she has issues and and this is something

she deals with every day. Absolutely. But now this business is just they're getting shit on all over the place. And also in the middle of like obviously we just went, we're in the still in the pandemic and businesses are struggling. and people are like, well, Demi Lovato's now taken down this small business. What are they going to do? But I feel like at the same time, more people are going to go now because they're so mad at what Demi Lovato's saying. Yeah, they're like, let me eat those sugar-free. Go eat it. Now, I totally,

I get the eat me guilt-free. Like, I get what she was saying about that. But that's not what, that's not what she found in the store. That's not what she was talking about. She was talking about sugar-free options. It was like, sometimes people want a sugar-free option. or need to have for family. I'm a black gay lactose, black toast intolerant gay man. I, like, I am like, if I have any motherfucking dairy bitch,

you can come and join me in this motherfucking bathroom for the next two hours. I look for those things. You know, I look for those moments. I also look for guilt-free. I don't know. For me, it's not a trigger, but I understand the trigger points.

I feel like it's one of those things where did your mother ever tell you this when you were growing up? Like, if you still want to write this email and if you go to bed and you still want to send it in the morning, send it. Nine times out of 10, you woke up the next morning and you took half that email out and you felt like you weren't on fire, you know, anymore. And the email was more concise and it made more sense. I just feel like she pulled the trigger in the heat of the moment. And like most celebrities, she had to back down and apologize. Yeah. Right. It's a, same thing like like you said the email you're in a relationship with somebody you get mad at them

15 minutes later you waited out you're like am i still as mad as i was no you never are and also another thing people are talking about is like she's now california sober right she smokes she drinks a little bit and and somebody pointed out if it's so triggering for you to walk into a dessert place and see these options you're posting about smoking weed on your story and you just had this major overdoses, this documentary talking about it, like, that could be triggering to somebody else. It's kind of like... No matter what you do, you could be walking your dog. That could be triggering to some people.

So it's hard to deal with that. And I think for me, I understand, like, where she was coming from because I do think that the media, there's a lot of, like, diet culture that is bad that can be perpetuated. And I think that's the message she was really trying to get across. But she has sold those type of things on her Instagram. She's, like, sold the diet. Diet teas. She's done that. Not recently. No, but people are saying if you're going to get mad. But people can screenshot. Yeah. Yeah. And they're saying you're going to get mad at about something from 2016. If you're going to get mad at something from 2016. Then people are allowed to get mad at something that you did. If you're going to pull that card. Yeah. I agree. I'm saying. I think like she she built up what she was saying in her mind is like this big message that she was coming against the diet culture like punch punch and this is you know triggering to the to the to the ED community. And then

But the way she did it like didn't really make any sense. Like the way she did it. Like it was like the way you came across was not the right way to to express how you feel about these moments. Yes. Yeah. But I blame the gay friends around her. Because if she had a real gay friend, if there is a real queen in that situation, we'd be like, girl, I don't know if you want to do this. Like I don't think that you should do this.

And I feel like there is, and I, again, I don't want to say this about her. I don't think, I'm not specifically talking about her. I'm talking about Instagram and social media in general. I feel like there's this culture of people who go in on these pseudo activism rants because they want that approval. They want people to say, go off, sis, and yes, like we're here and yada, yada. and I feel like people get caught up in that whole thing. And there's something about, and I've done it before in the past, I've posted something knowing that I was going to get that approval,

knowing that I needed that validation. I think we all do it to some extent. So I'm not going to go ahead and say, I'm not one of those people. Yeah. But I just think when you're a celebrity, sometimes you just need that validation more than other people. Yeah. Right.

And it almost, it almost comes across a little phony sometimes. I think that's what it is. You're just like, do you, I think that Demi Lovato does care. So I know what you're saying. We're not talking about her specifically. But other celebrities, when they talk about things, you're like, is this really what you care about?

Because I don't know. I don't know. For sure. Yeah. By the way, let me ask you a question. Did you watch, I know this is probably old and you guys probably did it last week. Did you watch Sharon Osborne and Bill Maher? No.

Yeah. Yeah. I've been, I was weirdly. kind of very interested in the whole talks, the whole situation that went down on the talk. Yes. I was very interested in it. And look, I think that Sharon Osborne crossed the line with Cheryl Underwood. I think that if I were to curse out my coworker, whether there was a camera or not, I would probably, if I said, I wouldn't want to fucking do this shit or blah, we're going to come back and do this fucking thing. You know, I think that I would probably be fired. I would probably be fired. as well. I don't think, I think, you know, all of those things are correct. But with that being said, I have a little bit of respect for Sharon Osborne in the sense that she didn't go on Bill Maher and just say what people wanted her to say. Right. Yeah. And she said, you know, she stood up for a friend.

And she didn't entirely agree with the Megan Markle thing. And she agreed with Pierce Morgan on what he said. And a lot of people think that way. So I have some respect for her that she just didn't get on Instagram and go in and say, I want to say I'm really sorry because my publicist said, I should say this. And here are the four keynotes that I'm going to hit when I don't really believe them. Right. Right. It's when people are so blatantly honest, you can tell and you respect that more, even if you disagree with their opinion.

You're like, well, at least you're an honest person. At least you're not. It sucks. but he sucks. And if Sharon's going to back him up. And that sucks as well. But if she's going to then double down on that, it's like, well, you know, good for you for standing your ground on something.

You know, like I don't agree with you, but at least you're an honest person. Because I do feel like there's a lot of times, and we talk about this with celebrity apologies when they, you know, something happened in the past and they gets brought back up and they have to address it. And a lot of the times the apologies seem very. you know, curated, but quick,

they're curated by a publicist you can tell. It's on a notes app. They're not getting on. I'm always like, well, wouldn't it be super honest and real if they got on

Instagram Live or whatever it is? And they really talk it through. Like they really just show their true emotions. People would see that. They would be like, okay, you're a real person.

I understand why you did that, why you thought that was a good thing or bad thing at the time. Now you know what you did was wrong. People could see, honesty. So I, that's why I thought, that's why I thought Jimmy Kimmel did it the best way he could. He sat down with Don Lemon. Yeah. Don Lemon is not going to let anybody roll escape. This ain't a GMA, you know, apology where we're going to let Chris Harrison do a pre-taped situation.

And he's going to hit the, he's going to hit the notes on the prompter. And Michael Schrainan can't say anything because his producer has his hand in his back. Like, don't you fuck this out for us. You know, there's a time constraint. They're like, look at the clock. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We all know this is going to be edited to fit. I mean, they probably put a beauty filter on his ass at the end of it. But, you know, Jimmy Kimmel was like, I'm going to do this this way. I'm going to sit with someone. I'm going to have an open conversation and I'm going to let him hold my hand to the fire. And I think a lot of times celebrities should look at how, not only how quickly Jimmy Kimmel got out of that situation, but how his life resumed. Right. I think, you know, if Chris Harris, would have gave it a little bit more time and sat with somebody who wasn't under the ABC umbrella and really, you know, sat and had a conversation, a back and forth with a black woman like, you know, like even a Cheryl Underwood or Wendy Williams or if you really wanted to get into to Oprah Winfrey and just have that communication, it would have been great. But I think

people are afraid to be in, you know, in trouble. So the crisis management, old school. school, your 65-year-old specialist publicist and say, okay, we're going to go on the apology tour and we're going to do X, Y, and Z. Right. No, we're going to sit in this. We're going to learn a little bit, and then we're going to come back. You know, I hate to use this example because I really like her as a person, and I don't think that she is a racist.

I'm going to say this again, I don't think she's a racist. I think she just said and did some insensitive things. And I don't think she should have been fired from a job. Stasi Schroeder. I use as an example all the time. she went on Tameran Hall. It was too early. She wasn't ready.

She didn't get it quite yet. And it kind of backfired in her face. Yeah. Right. I actually love hearing this input from you because I feel like it's, it's stuff that people are kind of afraid to say sometimes, right? Like you were like, I don't believe Stasi is racist, which is very fair. Like I don't think so either.

But immediately, if somebody has done some insensitive things, they're labeled as, you know, they're racist. And then if you say, well, I don't think, I don't think so. Then all of a sudden you're part of the problem. But it's just a very real life, like human thing, right? Like you can do insensitive things. It really does turn into like a racist snowball. It's not like who you are as a person.

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And I use the word racially insensitive a lot. Yeah. And I use it because I grew up in South Louisiana. And I went to an. all white Catholic school.

I was black and I was gay. I have experienced race in a way that a lot of people will never, ever experience it. I grew up in the dirty South in the 80s, you know? I grew up in a neighborhood where the white side was on one side of the track and the black side was on the other side of the track and people, my friend's parents from school used to drop me at the corner because they didn't want to get too close to that side. So when you say racism, I'm here.

I get it. I'm there. But I also have known people who are racist and I also know people who are racially insensitive who don't understand. And there are a lot of people who don't understand the difference. I have also grew up with people who were racially insensitive. Yeah. You know, they're around that. That's what their parents are teaching them.

They've never stepped outside of that to learn something new. And then when you step outside of it, it's like, Yes. But even black people, I have to sometimes tell, you know, dated a guy who would say things and I'm like, you can't say that. You're just as wrong as them. You're being racially insensitive. You are, you know, grouping a group of people together. You can't say that. That's racially insensitive. I too have found myself not knowing, you know, the proper pronouns or the proper words to describe people. That is racially insensitive. You know what I mean? And I've said it. And I've corrected myself and I've moved past it and I did the research and I, you know, I've done that. And I just think sometimes we lump people into, all right, they're racist. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's just not really fair sometimes. Look, it's not. Depending on the situation, but sometimes it's just not fair. Yeah. Stasi as the example, you know, she's no longer on Vanderpump Rules and Vanderpump Rules, I guess, you know, we could good, good segue into it. to go into the next topic. Into our next topic.

There's an e exclusive that Dana from this last season of Vanderpump is not coming back. She's not coming back to the show. And for me, the way that this show has changed in this COVID and the firings and the people who aren't coming back or not coming back. And it's like, who do we have left? The Tom's?

Is that it? Yeah. What do you think about the show? What do you think should happen? But who's Dana Cathay? Yeah. I honestly. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like, oh my God, Kelsey Grammer leaves Frazier after so many years. Jerry Seinfeld walking away from Seinfeld. Like, if Dana's last name ain't Vanderpump, or she hadn't been on since the beginning, like why are we giving a fuck? Yeah. Well, it's kind of like when, like Stasi Schroeder no longer on Vanderpump was like,

whoa, okay. You know, Stasi, she did step away at some point, but like she is Vanderpump rules. They're a part of it. Dana, we never got acquainted with. And it's like after one season, like, you know, a lot of times, a lot of times, you know, there is this back and forth, if you notice, like when a housewife leaves and she and another housewife get into a fight, you know, from the same city like months later, it was like, well, you were fired. And then it's like, no, I was not. Don't ever say that. A lot of networks, you know, let people walk away with their dignity. Yeah. So we may not ask you back.

Yeah. But we're not going to say you got fire. We're just going to say, like, we're not going to say anything. We're going to let you say whatever you need. And we're never going to jump in to this conversation. And the only time I've ever seen Bravo, and kudos to Bravo because they're geniuses at this. Yeah. The only time I've ever seen Bravo actually kind of admit that somebody wasn't

fired or even validated it is during the E. Have you guys seen that reality show with Andy Cohen? The real. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Caroline Manzo.

Yeah. You know, everyone was like, Caroline Manzo got fired. You know, you know, Teresa brought it up a few times about how she got fired over the years. Yeah. And Andy Cohen finally said, you know, you walked away from the show. Why did you do that? Yeah.

And, you know, she was like, thank you, motherfucker. After 10 years. of fighting with these bitches about how I didn't get fired. Like you could see she was so relieved that he finally, you know, had this moment of clarity that she can say, ha ha. Yeah. What is the, do you know like the rule on that on whether or not they can say? Because that took 10 years for that to come out.

When somebody, who was at the house? Like Derinda, like Derinda to me was fired. Right. Derinda, it seemed like she was not asked to come back. I feel like she was not asked to come back to her house. It was in New York. Right. But do you think when they're on the show for a certain amount of time and there's that certain respect between the two parties, they're like, you are allowed to say that you stepped away even though we're not asking you back. Do they have that conversation?

No, you know, I think they do it. I think what they do, working in production, you know, and looking at, you know, Nini's contracts. Like, you know, we saw the whole blow up when Nini happened, you know, and Nini said publicly that they, you know, guaranteed her six episodes. You know, that is basically your friend. Right. And a lot of times housewives don't want to be friends. Right.

They think it's a downgrade. Yeah. I truly think of it as I can work part time now. I don't have to be at every event and I don't have to pull someone's hair out. You know, yeah, I might not have a diamond or a peach. Right. But the friends can also come in and drop the bomb. Like the friend can come in, drop the bomb and then leave, like that's.

Yeah. And if I've learned anything from Luanne Delicest, you can come back as a friend and then end up in the middle holding the double apple, you know, a year later. Yeah, yeah. Brandy last season on Beverly Hills. Yeah. Came back in and did her thing. I think a lot of times, you know, what they do, and I don't know this for certain, but when I was working in production, when we had a cast member that wasn't really performing, you would offer them something that they found like a little bit degraded. and demoralizing.

And then they would say, you know, I think I'm just going to walk away and take a break. Yeah, right. That makes sense. Almost push them out. Yeah. You know, you kind of push them out. Or you kind of sort of, I think, you know, what happened with Dorinda was, you know, she held a mirror up. I think what happened last year, the last year she was on the show, you know, she said she didn't really love, you know, herself that much on the show.

And I think she was probably like, I probably need to take a break and go away for a season and then come back. with a whole new life, you know, a whole new look. And I bet you bravo was that great. We love you. You are Durinda. There will be no one else like you. And we will welcome you back in a, you know, capacity. However, let me tell you a little insight about housewives.

No matter who you are, you don't truly know if you're going to be a housewife until the season is almost over. So if you had a diamond, a peach, anything, if you go on Housewives and you're a returning cast member, it's fair game for everybody. Yeah, really? Yeah, Sudden probably thought that she was coming in as a friend. They looked at the footage from the season and they were like, you actually brought it.

We love what you've done. You would deserve a diamond. A lot of times, you know, Housewives get to load it in midway through the season. But it's not because of. some disagreement. It's just that's how it goes. There are six spots. It's like America's next stop model. There are six spots. There are seven of you. This is how this is going to go. The people with the most compelling stories and the people who are forthcoming and who, you know, connect with the audience this season, get to get to be a part of the main cast. Yeah, how the drama

plays out. Do you have a favorite housewives? Do you watch all of them? I watch all of them. my favorite of all time, I'm going to take, you know, I'm going to take Beverly Hills out. Fair. I'm kind of partial Beverly Hills is our favorite kind of just, it's just different than the rest, I think. Yeah. Potomac. Potomac. Yeah.

Really? I actually haven't watched Potomac. Bitch. Yeah. No, I. Yeah. Let me tell you, no one, don't sleep on Potomac. Potomac.

The women are different. The women are, the cast is mostly black women, but they're so different from women in Atlanta because, you know, I think a lot of times people think that black people are a monolith. Like we're all thuggy, all the guys are thuggy, all the girls are this,

all the women of this age or that. And what I love about being black is that all of our blacks are different. And we are so expressive and they're so different. and, you know, black people in Louisiana are different from black people in California that are different from black people in Atlanta. We just express ourselves very differently. We're very expressive people.

When you watch Potomac, first of all, the reeds are top notch. The women are so different from anybody that I've ever met. And I just feel like I'm always rooting for the underdog. And that cast last season completely brought every single thing that I was looking for. Really? I'm interested. So the only housewives I've ever watched are New Jersey and Beverly Hills. And a little bit of Atlanta, a little bit of New York City, a little bit of Salt Lake City. Like, I got a little bit of each, but like through and through Beverly Hills and New Jersey,

I've watched like all the way. Yeah, I've been in a, yeah, I've been in a binge. So I've just been going through all of them because when I was younger, I just hadn't watched them. So when COVID started, I was like, you know what? I'm just going to start and we're going to see how far we get. So I did Beverly Hills from the beginning. I've done New Jersey from the beginning. I'm about to finish New York from the beginning. And now I think I'm going to do Potomac from the beginning. Yeah.

No, and Potomac, let me tell you. I tell everybody, this is how I would do, if I had to catch up on Housewives and you don't have the time to do every single season because, you know, there's 11 seasons of Beverly Hills. There's 14 of Atlanta. I do the first two episodes, the last two episodes, and then the reunions. Yep, yep. So you get to set up the new characters, you set up the final drama, and then you head to the reunion, and you get to experience it that way. Nothing is better.

There's never been a better cast than season one of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, or season, I think it was three or four when Cynthia, Nini, Shire, Kim Zosiac, Candy, and I think Marlowe was popping in and out at this point. those were the two best cast in reality TV history. Yeah. And the drama was real. That's what I'm saying. The drama with Atlanta was so real. Like almost to the point where it was like uncomfortably real where the ladies couldn't even like talk about each other.

Like you know how the housewives. They'll talk about each other. They'll come on the show. They'll talk about whoever. But it felt like with that cast of Atlanta like they wouldn't even like step on each other's toes at one point. Like they were like, we're done with this. It got, it got like really bad.

Well, I think it's because, and, you know, this happens. You watch a reality show and everybody tiptoes until they can't anymore. The ice always breaks from under you. So because we're friends, like, you know, we've all sat here. You know, this is our third time sitting. I love you guys. You two know more about each other than anyone else in this room. If you two went on a reality show at some.

point you would find that she crossed the line. So then you would cross the line and push the line further. And then it would go back and forth and back and forth. Nini and Shiree knew each other for years. Kim Zosiac and Nini knew each other's dirtiest secrets from jump. Yeah. So you're talking about, you know, a volcano waiting to erupt, which is why we got the bank eruptsy, which is why we got the, you know, you got your car possessed. Like, you know, we would never get that from five strangers. Right. And what was the, what was the like the cockroach thing that they went to somebody's house? The cockroach thing. That was like such a big deal, right? Didn't they go to, was it Kim and they went to NeNeal's house? And they said they saw a cockroach and they made her seem like she was dirty and it was like a whole thing. I remember that. Yeah, that was crazy. Don't ever. But, you know, I just, it's so crazy. It's so crazy the buttons that people push. And I think a lot of times like, you know, even

Beverly Hills, you know, working on that show for five seasons and seeing, you know, the almost the transformation and the roller coaster, like, when Limogate happened season one with Kyle and Ken, that was one of the most protected secrets in reality TV, in Hollywood, you know, no one knew that. I worked in Kyle's house for six months. I had no clue. Yeah, yeah. That was a real moment. between sisters. Yeah. You know, when Brandy outed Adrian for having a surrogate, no one knew that.

You know, no one knew. She didn't want anyone to know because she didn't want her kids to find out on the internet. Like it was a really big thing. When Russell, you know, when Camille said, you know, Russell B to you to Taylor, again, no one really knew that. That was a secret between amongst friends. Right. That started a whole spiral.

And when Camille was saying it, she was so upset because. because it was a spoken about secret amongst everybody, but everyone was afraid to step on the ice. Right, right. Say it. Long story short, that housewives are messy. They're just messy.

Oh. That's why we love them. Of course. Exactly. We're all messy. Yeah. We're all messy. If all of our lives were out there, it would be messy.

Yeah. Absolutely. It's the hardest job in the world. I would rather wake up every morning at 5 o'clock in Do Daily Pop, blood naked, then sign up for it to be a housewife because you get criticized. Even with that paycheck? little thing you do, the money's not worth it. Yeah.

I'm totally with you. For me. Yeah. I know I feel you. I feel like even even like being intimate on camera would freak me out. Like, oh, you're going to film me with my boyfriend like kissing like that. Like I got to see what I look like kissing like that freaks me out. I don't know.

I won't even kiss in a club. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I have to eat low because I can't figure out how I'm going to do a first dance or, you know, be that intimate with somebody in front of my mother. I'm like, what am I? to do. I say that all the time about getting married. I'm like, I don't think I want like a big

wedding because everyone has to watch me. And that seems like way too much pressure. I got to get up there. Everybody's looking at me. Too much pressure. Too much pressure. 100%. 100%. We have already kept you way longer than we were supposed to. But let's talk about Bennett really quickly. Keep on going. Yeah. Keep on going. Good, good. All right, good. We want to talk about some Bachelor stuff with you. Bennett from this past season with Tate. and Claire. He has made it clear. He went on the almost famous podcast with Ben and Ashley and said that he is like all about Kelly Flanagan, Peter Weber's ex, that he, um, they were out in New York. He and Peter and they had some tequila shots and he said like, hey, is it okay if I'm flirting

with Kelly? And he said, Peter like kind of gave him his blessing. Meanwhile, Kelly is in Florida on Instagram being like, I'm seeing someone in Florida. And Bennett's just like, oh, I'm waiting for her to come to New York City. You know, she's going to have to leave that guy in Florida. Florida. Weird. Weird. First of all, first of all, the fact that Bennett is talking about this before they even went on their first dates. American psycho vibes.

Weird. He already has American psycho vibes. And this makes it so much worse. Like, we need to be on four. Like, we're going to do takeout and conversations at my house three times. And then I'm going to like, you know, we're going to hook up. And I'm going to see if we have chemistry there before you're going to ask my ex-boyfriend. who's not my baby daddy

who is not my ex-husband who picked me fifth in line on his season. Yeah, dated for less than a year. Fifth in line. You're going to ask, like, no one's going to ask Prince Harry who's sixth in line for his advice

on what to do as a monor. Like, come on, y'all. Like, this guy is shooting his shot way too early. Way too early. It's, he's a strange guy. I feel like we've picked that up a while ago, but I feel like Kelly's seeing this and she's like, I don't even want anything to just do with Bennett.

Is this flattering though, or is it creepy? Because I think it's kind of creepy. It depends on who it is. Because if it's, because if it's, here's a thing though. Here's the thing. If it's, if it's, I got Bennett, like, no, like I'm not interested. But say you got, I don't know, like any other celebrity out there that we're interested in is asking permission. I'm not talking about Bennett. But I don't want to necessarily say it's creepy. Isn't this how Gigi did it? Isn't this how Gigi Hadid did it with Tyler Cameron? I kind of.

But he... Like she put it out there. Right, she put it, but you're... But that's Gigi Hadeed. That's why I'm saying the person matters. With Bennett, we're like, that's weird. But with Gigi Hadee and Tyler Cameron, we're like, yes, absolutely. Like, we love that.

Too hot people. It's great. But it depends on the person. Yeah. I think because it's Bennett, that's why we're like weird. But either way. But let's be real. Bennett wants to be on Paradise.

Bennett wants to get his name out there. Bennett knows and has realized that a good story will bump your name up to the top of the list. So I think Bennett is doing this whole let me thirst after Kelly in hopes that Kelly and I both end up in paradise. Because a lot of times, and I don't, I didn't realize this, that a lot of people in the Bachelor a nation, they hook up, you know, like on the side and they go through these whole like, oh, we're going to date within the nation or we've been through the whole, you know, ringer together. But they also do it in order to get on, you know, they learned it from the MTV people because they would always bring X's back to the challenge to see if they would hook up again.

Always. You know what I mean? Like Tanya and CT. Like, why is Tanya coming again? Yep. Because she always ends up hooking up with somebody and you kind of want to see if they would do it. Right. Yeah, exactly. Now, what are your thoughts on the whole Bachelor universe right now? Obviously, like a lot of shit went down this past season. We mentioned Chris Harrison in the beginning of this. What are your thoughts on the whole thing?

I am interested to see what happens. You know, I'm the type of person where if I call somebody out, I don't want to see you make change tomorrow or the next week. I want to see what you're going to do long term. So I like to get people's space to bring. breathe and grow and let me see some more diversity. Let me see you start to deal with the problems at hand. And the Bachelor has kind of sort of taken the wheel and they're kind of sort of changing things. But I want to see some real change down the line. And I'm not saying that they haven't done anything because we've seen them. They have. I just never, I never like to give my opinion until it's been a year or two years and I can see the real change. You know what I mean, see how much they've grown from the situation. Yeah.

Yes. Like when I see people saying, oh, we're given $200 million to, you know, we pledge 200 million to black owned businesses. Like, I've been to many charity events where I pledged some shit and I really can't give it. But I give some. You know, I give something. Yeah, yeah.

And I've had charity events or people are like, 20,000, 30,000. And then you call them for the money and they're like, I got five. Can you take it? Yeah. But that's, it happens all the time. things come up and budgets get changed around all the time. So I just want to see it happen. Yeah, definitely.

That's very fair. I think that's a very fair way to look at it. What did you guys think about cold and underwood? We talked about this the last episode. We basically said like, no, no, no, we'll just tell you our opinion real quick. We said basically we're like, it's great that he is finally living his true self. It's very sad when you think about the. amount of people in life that go through this same thing where they're just hiding who they are

and they don't feel like they can be their true selves. Like that is to me very upsetting and I really feel for him on that. The other hand is he did a lot of fucked up shit and now he's like profiting off of it. I don't like the Netflix thing. Yeah, he's like he's making money. He's making money I don't. I don't like it for coming out and and he was stalking Cassie and that didn't get addressed. And it's just it's a lot. I don't know. Justin, he spent way too much time. He spent way too much of his life on reality TV, not knowing who the hell he is, and now trying to figure out who he is,

he's gonna do it on reality TV again. Like, he's gotta not be filming himself. Yeah, I know. And I did, I like when white girls are mad. I like when the white girls are mad. Like, I like when the white girls are like, you know, we like him. But you know, I just, I'm like, I did see some people

that were like, because this is what we said the last time. We were like, yeah, it's great that he's coming out. We're so happy for him. But like, you said it's fine. line. I saw some people being like, well, you can't tell somebody how to go about being gay and how to come out. And that's true. That's so true. We can't tell him how to go through that. But at the same time, you look at everything that happened and you're like, my opinion is he spent too much time on reality. Right. And it's like he's probably better off doing this to himself because he's now, I think the premise is like a gay guide. And Gus Kenworthy is going to be his gay guy. He's going to like learn how to be gay on TV. And it's just kind of like, what does that mean? Don't you want to experience that like off camera?

I don't know. I don't know. Ooh, I love when the white girls get bad. Yes, white girl. What do you think about it? You know, I'm anytime a queen comes out, a unicorn is born. So I will take it. Yes.

I will take the birth of a unicorn. I think he's a very nice guy. I think he is super sweet. I've always had the best interactions with him. And I'm happy that he found his truth. I really am. The only thing I think they could have done differently is, even if you were going down the reality TV route,

because I do think it's important that people see as many gay faces as they can on television. And I think it's important that stories about Christian men from the mid-war, West, you know, who are athletes who are, you know, shining examples in their Christian community. I feel like it's important for those stories to be out there so that people can see that even if you're God loving and God fearing, you can still be gay because that's the way God made you. So I am here for that whole situation. The two things that I'm upset about is not upset. I'm just like, we could have did that better.

Right. I always say this, phone a gay. If you're not sure, phone a gay. I have celebrities who hit me up that say, who I've never worked with before in my life, who I've met maybe a few times. And I always say, you know, if you ever need me, just phone a gay.

I can, you know, give you what it would look like to me from a, you know, host standpoint, you know. And I've had a lot of A-LIS fucking celebrities hit me out. Yeah. They're teams, their PR teams, management. And, you know, we talked through shit. And the one thing that I didn't like, and I thought they could have did different, is GMA would have taken that coming out story without the announcement of that TV show. Right. Right. So whoever at Netflix was like,

you should come out and say that you're doing this TV show, look was shart-sided. Right. Because you could have came out. You could have had all this adoration. And then two weeks later, later, you could have been like spotted. Colton Underwood, you know, filming a show with Gus Kenworthy about X, Y, and Z. Right. He was spotted filming the show before he even did the GMA interview. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. The other thing that I was upset about. And I love Netflix. I am like so deep on who killed Sarah. It's not even funny me. I love everything that, I like what Netflix puts out and I like what they stand for. But we have been talking about, inclusivity and diversity and about people seeing and having representation in TV, in film,

in boardrooms, in companies. And you mean to tell me that your PR and your development team sat there and thought it was a great idea to announce that Colton Underwood, a cis white man, is going to be starring in a show about coming out with a gay guide who's also a cis white man. Yeah. Yeah. You have Caramo on Speed Dial. You have Tan France on Speed Dial. Yeah.

You have Jay Rodriguez from the older Queer Eye on Speed Dial. You could have put Karamo in two episodes and say that Karamo is going to join two. Yeah. And people would have been like great diversity, inclusion. But what you're doing is you're just omitting what we've been talking about for the last three years, for the last. And I kind of wish they didn't just immediately pair him with. And I know that sounds bad, pair him. But if it's Gus Kenworthy, like, I just feel like they went with fellow white athlete.

Right? Like, he's also like an Olympic athlete. And so they're almost too similar where I get it. It's like, oh, they're similar so maybe Gus can help. But also, like, give him someone similar and then someone so totally opposite. Right. So that he's pushed out of his comfort zone a little bit. Yes.

It's almost like they're covering one issue and leaving out another issue. when they can be covering all of it at the same time. Well, they're leaving out, they're leaving out millions of other struggling young men and women. You know, Gus Kenworthy came out and people praised them and he got endorsements and he, you know, was the bell of the ball for two years. And, you know, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and GQ and this and Ryan Murphy called him. Traditionally very handsome person.

Very handsome person. For a lot of us, that does not happen. Right. You know, we have to run home. We get beat up. We have to go through counseling. We have to do all of your family. Parents aren't talking to you. Things aren't, people aren't as supportive. And, you know, I feel like, and I'm sure I have to believe that Netflix is going to do that. I am going to just give them the benefit of the doubt. Right. Wait and see. Just wait and see. But there must have been Netflix, I've seen your roster of people that work there. There are a lot of. of gay men, you know, who are of color and who are diverse. So one of these motherfuckers must have been like, y'all, this, we're going to have a problem. Yeah. You know, phone a queen in the office. You would think that anybody, though, would see them, like with, you know, all the conversations

that have happened, what seems like in the past few years, you would think, like, okay, everybody's got their lights on. They're really thinking it through. I think Netflix tried to keep this so tightly. because they didn't want the, they didn't want the premise of the show to come out because they were afraid it was going to spoil the big reveal that they kept it so close and in such a small little bubble

that they didn't ask anybody outside of their little, of the, of the few people who knew on production. But anybody would have said, are y'all fucking serious? Like, for real? After everything that we have been talking about. I mean, we've seen actresses leave roles that they have been in for years in order for a person of color to take their places in them an animated series. We've seen people restructure their whole cast around diversity inclusion. And you motherfuckers go tell me in 2021 that of all

the people who are drinking the Kulega Netflix, not one person was like, this is going to be some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they will after they hear this. phone a friend right going again let's talk it through phone again call me bitch call me

call him he's listening he wants to talk to you guys yes yeah well I guess we'll see what happens with all of that you know it's like we we all said we're happy for him

it's a good thing there are some other issues that need to be resolved I just want Colton to love himself I really do I feel like he struggled so much with that and and I think that maybe these are the things they'll work through and talk about on the show and

go through these things. But they got to talk about the stalking thing. They got to talk about that at some point. They can't just keep going. We can't just keep going on and act like that didn't happen. He can't just pretend. He put a tracking device on her car. We can't just pretend like that to happen.

You got to talk about it. You got to talk about it. In that new version of the book, I thought he was going to do it. I thought he was going to say it. I'm sure if he's honest and he says exactly like, I was struggling. He was trying to figure out who he was. And all of a sudden he was, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. There's a lot of things about gay men that I can tell you that are certain, like, we like ice coffee. We always love a tank top. We're not afraid of flip flops. We're going to say yes. We might say girl. Like, you know, there's a lot of things.

I don't know that many gay men. I don't know any gay men that put a track in a guy. Like when they're confused. Putting a tracking device on a woman's car. Yeah. You know, like, we'll do some shit in a confusion. Like, we'll hit on our best friends and regret it. You know, we'll go like, you know, and try to date an older bed because we have daddy issues.

But what we're not going to do is put a tracking device on a little of its car. Like that doesn't fall in. It's like Kevin Spacey when he was like, you know, I did those things in the 80s because I was confused about my sexuality. But I'm gay. I'm like in my confusion about my sexuality, I never wanted to hook up with somebody underage. Yeah. Yeah. Correct.

No. You can't do that. It's like, yeah. It doesn't play as an excuse. It doesn't play as an excuse. So when you talk about, but by the way, and I'm just saying this, this is free advice. Colton, I know you're going to talk about the Dragon Device. But when you do, make it not about the gay thing.

Like, don't put those two together because gay men are always like, Aaron Schock. Like, you didn't spend that money on the downtown avid decor because you were gay. Like, no, no, bitch, no. Because a lot of confused gay men. Don't take money from Beapol. Yeah. Exactly. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

It's always a pleasure, always a blast. We love you. We love when you come on and talk about these topics with us. I say it every time because we've had you on a bunch now, but I just can't wait for us to be able to do this in real life. Like, I just wish that you were sitting right here. Like it drives me nuts. We, you know, we are going to be fully vaccinated and we are coming to L.A. in a month.

So maybe we can maybe we can, maybe we can figure something out. Come through. Yeah. Come through. I will bring you some disposable NBC approved COVID test because to COVID test everybody around us. And we're good. We're Gucci. Perfect. Love it. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll let you know. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome.

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Fran and I have not lost yet. We were just saying we wouldn't mind losing to Sydney and Michael. We're not going to throw it, but we wouldn't mind losing to them because they're cute and we're rooting for them. So welcome to the show, guys. We love love. Thank you. We also love love. Yes, of course.

The way that this is going to go down is Noah's going to say a movie. We're each going to say a Rotten Tomato score. Whoever has the closest guess, that team will go first. So Noah, give us the movie. All right, the movie is Elf. Oh. Oh, I think you actually might know. Is this fan score or like critics score?

Oh, that's the first. Critics score. Critics score. I'm going to sit lower then. Can I go first? No, I think it'd almost be higher. Yeah, you guys go ahead. You guys go ahead.

You each get a guess. So you're good. You each get a guess. 74. I'm going to say 89. I think it's really high. I don't, I, it's definitely high. I'm going, I'm going 68.

I sneaky think it's like really high. 93. 85. Oh. So Sydney was closest. I frequent rotten tomatoes. There you go. If you listen to this podcast, you definitely do because we're always talking about it lately.

Couples retreat. Please. Don't let me start. I watch it last night and on. We can't start going down this. Yeah. We can't. Let's do trivia.

We're doing trivia. All of a sudden, like we're 20 minutes in and all we've done is look up rotten tomato scores. All right. You guys, you guys will. go first. You guys will go first. And if you don't get it right, then Fran and I have a chance to steal. So try to get it right. All right. First question. Shout out Miranda from Cleveland, Ohio. We have a bunch of cities this time. Great. I'm excited that everybody put the cities. Yeah. Okay. With a total of 331 competitions, how many times has Bobby Flay been beat and beat Bobby Flay? A 94, B, 201, C,

123 D622. I feel like 123 sounds really good. It's the best one. It wouldn't be a third because then it's boring. I've seen it enough. I'm going C. I'm confident with C. Yeah.

Final answer C? Yes. Correct. Wow. Good guess. Good guess. I love food network. Wow. There's a lot of teamwork over there and now I'm nervous.

I kind of wish we were sharing headphones now. I like us. We're close to. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

We feel the power. We got it. We're good. Okay. Okay. This one's from Kelsey from Boston. Okay. What Harry Style song starts with and I'm going to read it.

Okay. You're not going to sing it. It's not a, it's not sung on the song. It's like set on the song too. Should we just search romantic comedies on Netflix and then see what we find? It's nothing in the new album. It's not in the new album. It's not in the new album.

I wouldn't have. I wouldn't know it, to be honest. I don't know his first album as well. I know fine line front to back, and if it is on fine line, then I'm going to shoot myself. I won't. That's too far. But it's definitely not on fine line,

so it's got to be on the first one. 15 seconds. There's only a certain amount of songs I listen to from the first album. Five seconds. No. And I saw their faces, and they know what it is, so now I'm pissed. Wow. Yes, I'm confident.

Oh, God. Okay. No. No. All right. So you guys, what is it? It is woman by Harry Styles. Correct.

Wow. I knew you knew it. Wow. You guys are, I don't think you've ever been down by two before. All right, no. No. Move on. Let's get on the show.

Yeah. I am on record not really loving Harry Styles until fine line came out. Also, if we do lose this match, it's because you started off with the beep-boppy flight question. What do you mean? Because I just feel like you already set the stage. Like, how many times is Bobby Flay lost? And here, the whole premise of the show beat re-infra. The excuses are already flying in.

Right, right, right. No, no, no. We'll come back. No, no. We'll come back. Okay. All right. They're up to nothing.

And the question is back to them now. This one is from Kelsey. Name the actors. No town. No town, unfortunately. Name the actors and actress who do the voices for Shrek, Fiona, and Donkey. I know. It's Michael Myers, donkeys, Eddie Murphy, and Fiona's Cameron Diaz. Final answer. Yes. Correct. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, shit. Oh, boy. Okay. All right. Give us. Guys, I got my, I got my first shot yesterday. You know, my brain.

Yeah, yeah, of course. Excuses. It's 420, obviously. It's 420. All day. My brain's not working. Duh. All right. All right. We're ready. This wants to reinfriend. It down three nothing. Thank you. This one is from Brooke, from New York. Okay. Ariana Grande's thank you next video references for...

I keep getting fucking music ones. Yeah, what is this? I can't even read the question. No, I know, but it's just... Let them read it. Let them read it. Yep, yep. I mean, if you don't get this one, I'd be shocked.

Okay. Ariana Grande's, thank you next video references. Four movies. What are they? Mean girls, legally blonde, 13 going on 30. And... Clueless?

No. Clueless? Was it clueless? Mean girls, definitely. Legally blonde, definitely. 13 going on 30, definitely. 15 seconds. Four movies?

Four movies. Does she wear the share outfit? Why am I thinking? I think so. Five seconds. We don't know any other answer, so that's what we're going to go with. We're going to go mean girls, 13 going on 30, legally blonde and clueless. Incorrect, right?

That's incorrect. Oh, love of God. I think I know. Can we go? Yeah, you can go. So take out 13 going on 30 and put in, bring it on. Wait, what did you say? Can you repeat that?

Take out. Take out. Can you name all four, actually? Yes. 13 going on 30. 13 going on 30. Bring it on. Mean girls.

Legally blonde. Correct. Oh, my gosh. I don't. Oh, man. Oh, man. Wow. Oh, man.

Oh, boy. I mean, if. If they get to 8-0, we just end early because that's... We're not going to go 8-0. I want them to win 15-0. No, no. No, I'm jumping.

Whoa. Whoa. Well, you guys are so like... Okay, let's just keep going. Well, I'm just saying you should even it out where it's not movie question, music question, movie question, music question. Now there's excuses. One people...

You've gotten both of them right. What do you want to see? Yeah, yeah. You're right. I mean, we just don't know the answer. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

And this one's to Sydney and Michael. Uh, Shout out Jackie for this one. Name the order of these Disney shows when they debuted. Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly plays. That's So Raven. Fill of the Future. Sweet Life is Zach and Cody.

Oh, my God. That's so Raven was first. I know this one. No. So it's That's So Raven. Fill of the Future. Hannah Montana. The other one and then Sweet Life on Sweet Live.

What was the, or the last two? Was Sweet Life is Zach and Cody or Sweet Life on Beck? I'll read them all again. Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place. That's So Raven. Phil of the future, sweetly of his second, Cody. So sweetly of the second Cody is, is... Oh, that's...

Not Sweetlythe, Fondek. Wizards is last. Yeah. So it'll go... What came up for, I think... You got... You got... 10 seconds. Okay. That's the Raven.

Fill of the future. Fill of the future. Sweet left, Zach and Cody, Hannah Montana, Wizard of the place. I agree. Can you read that one more time? That's the Raven. Fill of the future. Sweet Life is that and Cody

Hannah Montana Wizards a Weatherly Place Correct Oh my God I knew that I knew that one Straight up Sometimes it's just the order of what you get

It's just you know Yeah Yeah This is music I'm gonna freak out I say it's not music Okay Oh my God Okay shout out Laura from Ontario

Which of the following Celebrities is not from Canada She gave a bunch of options A Not from Canada. Yes. A. Paul Rudd. B. Ryan Gosling. C. Sandra O. D. Ryan Reynolds. E. Rachel McAdams. F. Seth Rogen. What kind of question is this? Which one? Don't ask me. I didn't write the question. Which ones? Is there more than one? No, no. Which of the following celebrities is not from Canada? Say them again. Okay. A. Paul Rudd. B. Ryan Gosling. C. Sandra O.

D. Ryan Reynolds. E. Rachel McAdams. F. Seth Rogen. The Rions are both Canadian. I didn't know any of these people were from Canada, so I have no idea what the answer is. I have no idea. Rachel McAdams, is she Canadian? She might be. Seth Rogen? Seth Rogen's Canadian? Paul Rudd? Canadian? I don't know. I feel like Paul Rudd's not Canadian.

Isn't Paul Rudd like a massive Kansas City Chiefs fan? Five seconds. Yeah, let's go. Paul Rudd. A, Paul Rudd. Congratulations. Oh, thank fucking God. Also, real. Seth Morgan is Canadian.

Like, we knew that. I'm just blanking on Canadian. Come on, Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds. Big Canada guys. Didn't know. I had no idea. Thank God I remember Paul Rudd loves the chiefs. Yeah, that was good.

Good call. Okay, this question is finish a lyric. So, finish is Kanye West line. Give me the line after the line I read. He said, hey, sister, it's really, really nice to meet you. But see that, hey sister, it's really, really nice to meet you. I just met this five foot seven guy who's just my type. But that's Estelle's part.

That's not Kanye West part. But it's a Kanye West song, but Estelle sings that part. So I guess we're just going to go with, I just met this five foot seven guy. That is correct. And that was a badly worded question. Okay. But you got a right. Cool.

Congrats. You beat Noah. Six. Six one. You ever getting crushed. I know. Bex from New York City. How many times

has Jennifer Lopez been engaged now and how many ended in marriages? Okay. So we had P. Diddy. We had Ben Affleck. Was she actually engaged to P. Diddy? Oh, she was married. 100% engaged to Ben Affleck.

100% engaged to Ben Affleck. Married, what's his face? Mark Anthony. Mark Anthony. And then the one after Mark Anthony was A-Rod. So it's either three or four. I don't know if she was ever engaged to P. Diddy. I don't feel confident in that answer.

I don't feel confident that she was engaged to him. You know, 10 seconds. I don't really either. I say engaged three times married fully once. I, yeah. So engaged four times. Engaged four times is our answer. And divorce.

And then got married to one and one ended in divorce. also incorrect she's been married twice she's been married three times and she's been engaged five times and Ben Affleck was not they were not married they were engaged

no I know but I thought you said that no no no we're married to Mark and then okay yeah she's been married five her other her other husbands were like not famous people right oh John G. Noah Chris Judd Mark Anthony were all the marriages and then Ben Affleck

and Alex Rodriguez okay yeah guys yeah we would have never gone Matt. No. No. Okay, score is still 6-1, and this one is two, Sydney and Michael. Shout out, Jess G. Rank the Kardashians slash Jenner's in order of most Instagram followers to least, and this is including Rob, Chris, and Caitlin.

Oh, what? Rob, Chris and Caitlin? Yes, so all the sisters, and then Rob, Chris and Caitlin, also. Rob, Chris. How many people do you miss that? That's a total of eight people. Okay. This is an insane.

the question. It's got to be... Number one. Kim and Kylie are number one, number two, I believe. Is it least to most or most least? It's most to least. Most to least. Okay. I feel like they are... Okay. I feel like we just kind of got to...

I think it's Kim, Kylie, Courtney. No. Chloe, Courtney. Kendall. Fuck, Kendall's in there. Ten seconds. You want me to just guess? Yeah, you have a good gut. I would just trust you. It goes, Kim, Kylie. Chloe, Kendall, Courtney, Courtney, Chris, Caitlin, Rob.

Incorrect. You have a good thing. I mean, this is just, it's way too many people. Kim has more than Kylie. Kim, Kylie. So Kim Kylie. And then it's kind of a mix up between Courtney, Chloe, and Kendall. I kind of feel like it might be Kendall, then Chloe, then Courtney.

Yes. So Kim, Kylie, Kendall, Chloe, Courtney, Courtney, Chris. Chris. Caitlin or Rob? Right. It's like Caitlin does more press, but Rob is more Rob Kardashian. Yeah, but I'm going Caitlin Rob.

Caitlin Rob. Incorrect. Because Kylie has a most. Oh. Yeah. It goes, this is the order. This is the order. Kylie, Kim, Kendall, Chloe, Courtney, Chris, Caitlin Rob.

Oh. We'd be that one. Right. except for that fucking Kendall goes after shit Kylie a lot of people But they flip like how It's not by a lot right? Kylie you mean?

Yeah like how much more does Kylie have than than Kim? Kylie has 226 million And Kim has 215. Okay so Okay, so 11 more million people

Damn Favorite daughter This question is to reinforce Fran who went down 6-1 Yeah Yep

Shout out to Julia from Maine What was the Top Song of 2009 A Just Dance Lady Gaga B

Love Story Taylor Swift C Boom Boom Pau Black Eyed Peas D Pokerface Lady Gaga This was a

United States A Pop 2009 Was an insane year for music part of me wants to say boom boom pal but i i i really feel like it's a gaga song but but just dance and poker face were so big yeah but boom boom pal was so big in 2009 i'm i'm just saying and then we have love i don't know it's throwing me off that there's two lady gaga options

poker face but i don't know it's final answer you say it whatever you say poker face lady gaga I think it's a Lady Gaga. It's not Boom Boom, Boom, Pau, because that's so 2008. No, but it was, it came out in 2009, Boom-Bum-Pow. Oh, did it? Yeah, never mind. Trust me. I know.

I know Boom-Bu-Pow came out. I don't think it was Love Story because... I think it was a Lady Gaga. So what was they chose? Fuck, now I forgot which one you said. I can read the answers again. Okay. It's a just, just dance, Lady Gaga, Love Story, Taylor Swift, Boom, Pal, Black-Eye,

piece, poker face, Lady Gaga. Can we, I really think it's a sleeper, boom, boom, pal. I really do think it's a sleeper, boom, boom pal. Okay, boom, boom, pal. Correct. Oh, my. I'm literally going to walk out of here. I'm going to walk out of here.

I don't know why I trusted you. I, I, if you said, you're with your gut. I know, I know. I know. I should have just said boom, boom, wow. But when you have an answer, I'm like, okay, I'll just go with what France says. But I shouldn't do that. I looked to you to pick. I know.

I did. I shouldn't do that. I gave you the opening. I shouldn't have done that. All right. I thought boom, boom, pow was such a curve ball. I knew that boom, boom, pow was, I just had this feeling. Oh, whatever.

I can't take it back now. Can't take it back, but I'm not happy with myself at all right now. All right, this question is to Sydney and Michael. They're up 7-1. Shout out to Danielle from Yukon. What two actresses play Rachel Green's sisters and friends? One's Reese Witherspoon. Okay.

Big Seinfeld people Um Respect Okay One's Reese Witherspoon Is it the other one that plays TV? No I don't know No so I also only thought Rachel Green had one sister

Oh no My roommate's gonna kill me She loves friends It's Reese Witherspoon And what's another actress that was I would say like in that time period Who would be like I feel like

Cameron Diaz Maybe She's blonde Who else? Shouldn't they look like him Or do you know five seconds Okay, Cameron Diaz, Reese Weatherspoon. I have no idea.

Incorrect. Yeah. Is it Christine Applegate? It's Christine Applegate, yeah. It's Reese Wetherspoon and Christine Applegate. Correct. Finally. We got one.

Jill and Amy are their names? Yep. Yes. Okay. This one is to re-infran, and I'm going to play a line from a movie. Okay. And you have to tell me what movie it's from. First, take a big step back and literally,

fuck your own face! Is that good? Jim Carrey? I don't even know who that is. I have no... Can you play it one more time? Yeah. First, take a big step back and literally... Fuck your own face! You got ten seconds.

And it's a movie. Yes. All right, five seconds. I got nothing. Not a clue. Nothing? Nothing. All right, Sydney and Michael. Oh, we didn't even take a guess. I...

Take a guess. Say something. We have no time on it. Okay, Sidney. Okay. I'm feeling good. Um, no, I don't even have a guess. Take a step back and fuck your own thing.

I don't need, I, I'm trying to identify the, I can't even identify the actor to even make an educated guess. Liar, liar. Okay. I feel like you're going to, I thought it was Ray Leota and Goodfellas, but I don't, that's all I can think of right now. Oh, and Goodfellas? Maybe, maybe it's, we'll say Goodfellas. Incorrect. It's Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder.

Oh. Fucking Tropic Thunder. That's where, that's what we're doing quotes from Tropic Thunder. Now like we're like they're losing. I know, no, no. The thing is, Jerry McGuire, classic, amazing movie. That I understand. Tropic Thunder.

Now, see, like, I mean, I'm just saying you guys are losing now I'm being attacked. No, no, no, no. I, look, a majority of these questions have been great. We have been bad today. but Tropic Thunder is... I mean, Tropic Thunder is a classic. It's not.

It's not. I mean, we'll let the people decide that. It's not. It's a... And it's a problematic movie. Yeah, I don't know if you can say you like it anymore. Oh, my. See, I...

See, the thing is, I just wouldn't put Tropic Thunder under a classic or a movie that I very much enjoy. Like, recognizable movie. But it's a movie that I would say most people have seen. The first time I saw it actually was in recent years. I would actually be interested with how many females. have watched that movie.

I feel like that's a very male-dominated movie. I'll stand with you, Noah. I've seen it. Well, there you go. Michael. But Sidney hasn't. Oh, once. No, I saw once.

Same once, and I don't really like recall. Yeah. All right. That's it. Now I'm done complaining. Next question. I don't believe you. Okay.

Until the next question. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so this one's to Sydney and Michael. What question are we on right now? Because I feel like we have already lost. Yeah, like it's already over. Oh, yeah. It's like we finished.

game when you guys have won. We're going to finish the game. Okay. Okay. Which of these movies did Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone not starring together? A. La La Land. B. Crazy Stupid Love. C. Gangster Squad. D. The nice guys. Oh, there's four. I know the first two they started. I don't know the

nice guys. What was C? Gangster Squad. I don't know. I'm never seeing that. Nice guys is the one he has with um... Oh my God. What the fuck is? Is it not Emma Stone. It's like, I feel like it's

the nice guys. I didn't see it, though. Oh, nice guys is the cop one. Yeah. I don't know if she'd be in that. Yeah, I'm gonna say D. Nice guys. Incorrect.

Oh, well. Rhythm. I got, please. La Lalland, crazy stupid love, Gangster Squad, the nice guys. Restate the question?

It's gangster squad. Because obviously they're in they're in Lalitland and her is he's stupid love together yeah wait a second he's not in the nice guys I know the movie wait a second wait a second wait a second wait a second wait I feel like that's wrong I feel like they were right wait wait they were right because you're nice guys I've seen the movie she's not in it and I fucked up yeah I put the check mark next to I was gonna say I was like when he said wrong I was like I'm pretty sure the nice guy but I wasn't gonna say anything I know I know that's why I was said that's why I asked you to repeat the question because I was confused how they got that

wrong honestly I'm like little like I'm under attack and it's hard Oh my God. 420. It is 420. Yeah. I got my vaccine earlier. Yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure.

Oh, wow. Okay. This one is to re-infram. Okay. Shout out Madeline for this question. This one's hard, I guess. Name four celebrities that appeared in Taylor Swift's bad blood music video. Haley Steinfeld.

Selina Gomez in it? Selena Gomez, right? I don't know. It doesn't even matter at this. Cara Delveen. Carra Delveen is in it, yeah. Carre Delavine, Haley. Lily Aldridge. Is she in it? Is Carly Klaus in it? I was thinking Carly Clause, but is that too late? No, I think Carly Clas is in it. Is Blake lively in it?

10 seconds. I don't think so. Carly, Sleena, Kara. Who did you say? Haley. Yeah. Sure. Why not? It doesn't matter. It's probably incorrect, Miss Lena. It's correct. It's correct.

Oh, okay. Oh, thank you. Good job, guys. Thank you. All right. This last one, shout out Cindy. Cindy. Cindy.

Cindy. How many restaurants does Lisa Vanderbump have in West Hollywood and Beverly Hills and name them? She has pump, sir, Villa Blanca, and Tom Tom. Wow. I love Vanderpump rules. There you guys go. You guys won. win, 9-3.

Wow. Our first loss. Yeah, our first loss. And you know what I feel like. And a crushing loss. Crushing. Demoralizing. I don't know if I want to do this anymore. No, no, no.

I'm joking. I'm joking. Even Bobby Flee loses how many times. I mean, even like the best teams in sports get blown out sometimes. Yeah, exactly. But also, I will say, I felt like we kind of spoke it into existence because we were like, oh, if we lose against them, it's fine. They're a cute couple.

Yeah, we could have been a little more competitive. They hustle you guys. Yeah, they did. They didn't. They didn't. We hustled ourselves. Sydney's sweet smile. Oh, nice.

They're like, Michael, yeah, I don't think I know that much about pop culture. Michael, Michael said he didn't know much about pop culture and then knew the Harry styles lyric. Let's just point that out. Let's point that out. Thank you guys so much for playing with us.

This was so much fun. Congrats. Beery and Fran. Yeah, you beat Reinfra. First ones. You'll go down in history as the first ones. And you guys will get a T-shirt that says you beat us. Yeah.

We have exciting as well. Just. Noah will get in touch with you guys and get your sizes and your address. But thank you guys. This was so much fun. Thank you guys. It was. Thank you guys.

Party on. Bye. Bye. We have an amazing interview with Kiki Palmer coming up. But you know what? I got to say, you guys just heard it. We took our first L. I think that calls for a beer.

It really does. I think we got to have ourselves a nice cold one, specifically at Coors Light, the official beer of chicks in the office. When you lose, it's no fun. You get stressed. We're stress playing. We want to win. It's our first loss.

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So welcome. What? That's so awesome. Sorry for the later ride, beloved. That's okay. We're just, this is all we have to do today, really. So we're working around, working around everybody else's schedule. But like Ria said, we're super, super excited to have you on.

And we're super excited to hear about this new Audible project that, you have coming out. It's called Hit Job. It's out April 22nd. Can you tell us a little bit about this? Because I think people are still kind of not sure what exactly Audible means. Like when they say this is out on Audible, it's like what is that exactly? Right. No, for sure. I mean, I can explain that. I remember growing up, I used to listen to Tom Joyner on the radio, obviously not because I wanted to, because my mom listened to it. So I grew up on it and obviously became a fan of Tom Joyner. But I remember as a kid, he used to have this show. that would come in between, like, the music and his, like, come in between his talking sections. And it would be like, is your world? LeVita walked in and found out that time was with another one. And it was like, you know, this whole story that you end up, you know, creating your mind.

And that is ultimately what Audible is. It's TV shows and ideas and projects that are, you know, telling you a narrative, but they aren't giving you the visual to it. They're allowing you to kind of have fun and create that aspect of it yourself. And you can also get something cool and interesting. you know, on your way to work or when you take your walk or, you know, whatever. It doesn't have to always necessarily be a podcast or a talking thing, but it can be a TV show. And that's ultimately what hit job is. And it really is super smart because it covers

a lot of the different themes that you would deal with when you're working in the office or living in America and trying to pay your bills and trying to get health insurance and having to be stuck working in a job that maybe doesn't really always align with you, that you're kind of trying to figure out morally if it really lines up, but you still need to make sure your family's okay. And I think those are all the kind of things that, things that we're all, always constantly asking ourselves when we're trying to make it in this world. And so I really love how they decided to, you know, kind of expose those topics in this very kind of cool and interesting, provocative way. Yeah. It's still being funny. Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of relaxing in a way because like you mentioned,

podcasts, you know, that's what people are listening to on their way to work. They're just going about their day. You're not necessarily. Yeah, this is a podcast right now. People are doing exactly that. And you're not staring at a screen. You can let your imagination wander. It's more relaxing in a way, in a different way to consume a TV show. We are obsessed with watching TV maybe too much.

Like we watch anything and everything that's put out there. But then you realize you're like, I'm staring at the screen so much. So I feel like getting that little juice that you crave from a TV show and then getting it this way is awesome. It's such a new way for people to get content like that. Yeah, it is. I couldn't agree more. And it was, it's also so fun like, you know, just to, like you said, this is the idea that you can kind of create those worlds in your own mind. And I think we are all kind of getting tired of always being on the screen and we would like another alternative just so we could feel like, you know, finally I'm doing something else. Yeah. Now the, the cast for this is amazing. But I'm

guessing that you don't really work with them like that much, right? You can all kind of record. your own stuff on your own time and then it all gets put in because I'm looking at the list of names and I'm like oh my god so many amazing people I mean Pete Davidson is I guess technically you know your co-star and this as well did you get to work with him at all or was it kind of like Kiki does her part Pete does his part and then they put it together now me and Pete actually got to kick it we actually got to work on together which is very rare and I did not expect for us to but I think it actually made a difference for sure than any other thing I've done before I mean obviously animation is is different, but I don't know.

I just had a lot of fun because I didn't feel like I was in there on my own. And it was cool to set up because it's like I'm in my booth and he's in his booth and we have like a window that we can see each other through. And so we would both be just living our own little world, but we'll be like bobbing out. And every now and then we like, what, it's good to see you, man. You know, we would talk and hang out. He's a cool guy. And it was so fun like doing comedy with him.

Obviously, he's been focused on comedy specifically since he was like, what, 9, 10, 11 years or forever. So it was cool for me because I've really started to kind of embrace, you know, comedy more. And, you know, as my career has evolved. So it was nice to do a project with someone that's been doing it for as long as him and playing with rhythms and seeing how he works. I learned some stuff for sure. Did you guys know each other beforehand or was that the first time meeting?

That was the first time we met. Yeah. We never. And what was the first impression? I feel like Pete Davidson's in such like a hot commodity on the internet. Like people are obsessed with people. at Davidson. Did you feel that when you were around him? I felt definitely like, yo, he's cool.

I felt like he was definitely a cool dude for sure. Like, I didn't feel like he thought he was cool, though. So he doesn't give that energy at all. He's like very like, you know, oh, you know, yeah, you know. Yeah. See, that's what I like. I think that's why people really like him because they're like, oh, he's awkward, but he's cool.

He's totally awkward and totally embracing of it too. It's like weird. It's like, how could you be awkward, but then also be embracing of your awkward? How are you confident in your awkwardness? That's a whole other level, you know? For sure. And that's the relaxed energy that he has with that. It makes him a cool guy.

So I would love, I definitely would love to work with him again. It was really fun. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, we would love to, like you said, it's a different way to consume it, but the big screen. It's hard when you hear the amazing cast and it's like, oh, God, I almost want to, like, see them. If I got, you know, like, watching guys all in the movie. It is such a cool.

It is such a cool thing. Yeah. And hopefully you guys can work together in the future, like you said. And Kiki, we've been following, I mean, you're so, you're so young. You've done so much. Like, we're, you and I are very similar in age. And so I've, like, watched you, and Zveria has as well for so long. And now, like, you're doing so many cool things, like, from, you know, the sitcoms to the movies

to more. television. Do you feel like there's anything? What is there left for you to do? Music. Music, yes, everything. Damn, that's what's left for me to do. Sit down. Relax. Take a break. I think, first of all, everything that you said, it means so much to me. You know what I mean? Because it is, you know, I haven't been doing it for so long. And a lot of times there's that fear of like, am I going to not love it? You know what I mean? Is there, you know, am I able to have longevity? I think that's the thing. Like, with all of it. us in our careers, whether you're in an office somewhere or working at a tech company or you're an

entertainer or you have a podcast. There's always different levels of where you want to be able to allow yourself to explore and expand to. But it all has to derive from like a creative and a passionate place. So I think for me, I'm just so happy that I've been able to sustain that, you know, because I don't know what I would do if I didn't have this. I also don't know how I would pay my damn bill. It was like, thank God that I, you know, even though it's hard work, and it can be very taxing, and it's kind of like the main thing I do in my life, at least I love it. You know, and I think that's what I tell anybody, you know, when it comes to this world and trying to make it, trying to have success, trying to, you know, create generational wealth or do something for your family because it's hard.

It's to put your intentions and put your energy towards something that you love and that you would do, honestly, for free. So when you are overburne with all the pressures and all the different avenues and all the different things you're trying to do, you can at least have some peace and some solace and the fact will hell, I do this if it was free. You know, if I didn't have, if I couldn't get anything from it, I would still do this. And I think that's what I always cling to that makes me happy. And I think the love for it is what's allowed me to stay here as long as I have. Yeah, that's a really positive outlook on it. And I love hearing that from you because I feel like,

people who have been in the industry for such a long time, they can really have different point of views on it. Some people, they love it. Like you just mentioned, like you look back and you're like, you know what, I love what I do. And then some people are like, this has really been a burden on me for my whole life. And they, and they just stop. And I saw that you did recently an interview with InStyle. And you mentioned that as a child star, you felt like you were misunderstood in a way because people, they don't really care about your feelings when you're a kid. They just know you got to go to work, this is what you have to do. And then as a kid, you're not, I feel like you're not really as in tune with your feelings. You're not really understanding like anxiety. You're like,

what is this feeling? I guess I'll just brush past it. And then later in life, it catches up to you. Do you think that there was a moment in your career that you like really paused and you were like, is this what I want to keep doing if I'm going to be misunderstood? And when do you think it changed to people finally understanding you? Man, I think I still could be misunderstood sometime. And I think my need to understand that everybody's not going to understand me is like a growing pain like I think for maybe anybody you know that cares a lot um is that everybody's not going to understand you so you could let that go and when it comes to and so I had to get that through my through my thick skull and then I think the other half of what you're saying is you know I realized that I had to take matters into my own

hands I think for a long time because like you were saying as a kid you kind of trying to do everything that people want you to do. You haven't really developed and decided who you are. You don't really know how to exactly give yourself what you want or even what you want because you don't even know how to ask those questions to get those kinds of answers. And so I think for me, social media, Instagram, Twitter, being able to kind of share my voice, my true voice, you know, and create my own avenues to express my creativity is what gave me my power back

and helped me to maintain my love for the industry. because it was expanded beyond the traditional sense. And I think that's really an important aspect, what it is for creatives and people in their careers, is to not just see one lane. You know what I mean? If you want to work in a tech company, stay in a tech corporate world.

But then on the side, try to make your own app. Take a little bit of the money that you're doing in the tech world to try to create your own little app. You know, if you're a dancer, you know, eventually you don't know necessarily what you want to do, but you know you're a dancer and, you know, you're not going to be able to dance for all your life. start deciding to maybe put somebody's show together.

If you got a friend that does music, tell them, hey, I'll put your show together. Maybe that can transfer it to you being a creative director. You know, and that's what I found with me, with my career, is that you can't just always put all your eggs in one basket and then sit back and wait for people to hand you things. It just doesn't happen. You have to find a way to continue to grow and expand

and allow yourself to evolve creatively, and that's only going to happen if you let yourself, go. If you follow your heart, if you stop putting expectations on yourself and stop put, it's got to be like this and it's got to be like that. Just go and go around like minded people. Go where the love is. I'll never forget the first time that I met King Batch. And he taught me how to do a vine. He taught me how to produce my own content online. And when I see what King Batch has been able to do for itself, I'm so happy. And I owe so much of my ability to say, hey, I want to do this thing to being able to be around people like him.

Like they taught me that, hey, you don't have to just do everything in a traditional way. He had been in California for years trying to become a comedian, trying to become an actor, trying to be noticed. And he just started doing vines. They invited me all to the Vinehouse, Him, D-Storm, all those guys. And they showed me how it happened. I'm like, yo, I can do this. And it brought, it breathed so much new life into me.

And it brought in my ideas of who I could be and what I could be. had to offer. Yeah, totally. And like Fran mentioned before that you've done so many different things. You've dipped your toes into so many different waters and you're like, like you said, social media. And I really enjoyed that answer from you because I feel like social media can be so negative. But at the same time, you're like, I actually found my voice within social media. And that's actually a huge positive out of it is that anybody can say it's a negative at some points or it's like anybody could say whatever they want. And you're like, okay, that person really shouldn't be speaking. But in other way, when you have your own voice and feel like I can speak for my own, it must really empower you.

And then the different, like you said, you started, you know, he taught you how to make vines. You're like, I can do anything at this point. You got into co-hosting a talk show. And that's kind of on the opposite side of what you were doing your whole life. You were in TV shows and movies and you were being interviewed and we're interviewing you right now, but you got to play the other role where you're like talking about entertainment news, interviewing other people. How did you enjoy that?

Is that something that you want to keep pursuing in the future? Oh, my gosh. Yes. I love it. I love talking about stuff. I love talking about things with people. You know, and I think that's the other aspect of me that,

you know, I have always explored within my family and my friends, like my curiosity and stuff like that. And nothing necessarily that I ever saw. I didn't realize that that's, that there's a career for that. I didn't realize that there's an actual job that you can do it.

And that's why you, you got to always follow your heart, because you create pathways you didn't know existed. I remember when I was reading up on Tom from MySpace. I actually had a little conversation with him on Instagram, but I was doing my research before I reached out to him. And it's like, he was hacking into Chase Bank. At 13 years old, like just doing something stupid,

then ends up creating MySpace. So it's like, you got to have fun. And that's what I was doing. And it is a lot of the reason as to why I wanted to do a talk show in the first place. When the idea first came to me at 18 years old, It was because I saw so many people. Like, I would post things like thinkexist.com was a site. I used to go to a lot.

And it kind of helped me define a lot of the different emotions I was feeling. Like, I would put in sad. And then all of a sudden it would say sadness is the loss of hope, which creates depression. And I'm like, what's depression? And then I put in depression. And then it would be like, depression is brought on by the stress we have that we can't let go. I'm like, what's stress?

And, like, it would teach me all these different words that helped me articulate what I was going through. And I started posting them on my, Twitter account, and I saw so many people from my generation were feeling the same way. Like, it just made me feel so seen. And I think that's why I end up loving memes so much is because memes, even though they're something that's lighthearted and it's a joke, they really mean a lot. And they're impactful because what they're telling you is someone sees you, out there like you. You're not alone. And I think that's so important. I think my love for my generation and the love that they gave me from making me feel seen when I felt so isolated for so long because I felt so

different and not able to connect to people. You know, when I got on my space and then when I go on Twitter and a lot of those things, though they can be difficult, you know, you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater because in a lot of ways they allow us to be seen. They allow us to know that we're not alone. They allow to let us know that it's okay to speak up. And if we use it correctly and we're in the right mind space to do so because I do believe it's important to have breaks, we can really make waves. We can really do some stuff that's never been done before. You know, and I've seen it because it's transformed my life in a lot of ways. So, I mean, I would love to do more stuff in the talk space because these are the kinds of things that I like to talk about.

And I think that's why I as a quote-unquote young person and millennial wanted to be on, you know, typically a show that's a space that's typically for, you know, you've got to be 40, at least 40 and up, you know, because we deserve to be in that space. We have something to contribute. We have something to say. We may not know everything, but we sure as hell got the questions to ask for us to start the dialogue to figure it out. And I think, you know, we haven't always been allowed to be in those spaces. And I think that's a lot of the issue. You know what I mean? Whether it's us being women, whether it's being BIP, whether it's us being, you know, millennials. we deserve to be in all those spaces that we don't necessarily think we should or people have told us we don't belong in. And so I think that's also a big part of my love and desire for those things. Yeah, definitely. I mean, we definitely feel you on that. We're both, you know, in our 20s and we started this show like three years ago and it's all about entertainment. And people would always be like, oh, you guys are like, you know, the older talk show hosts that we're like, we don't even really relate to them.

because they're so much older, they're not really relating to like the young people in entertainment. And so people then have a good time coming on our show because we're young and we get it. And I totally get what you're saying where it's like we all belong in this space. Yes. And we need each other in this space because we are of a different generation. We have a total different. A lot of the things, first of all, I think, you know, we have a lot to learn from them, right? I all respect to any generation before us because, you know, those are our moms, our dads, our grandparents, you know, those are people that have made changes in their time and in their space.

So we do need them because we want to understand the different strategies we can add. But we have to talk about it with each other because we're going to be the ones to make this world our home. You know, this is eventually those people are going to pass on and we're going to be the ones left to it. So what better place to start than now for us to start. start opening up dialogues, talking about real stuff, saying, hey, what's up with this? Can we change this? I need your head for you go. You from the older generation, hey, this is what we're thinking about. Hop on board with us. You know, so we could try to get some stuff changed before it's too late so we can start uncovering things that we want to before it's too late.

Like, and I think that's the point. You know, I think that's the thing about the social media age and our generation is that we have the ability to do that. We're on the first end of it. And obviously Gen Z and the generations after us are going to too, but it's like, we first up because we remember when it was no internet and stuff like that, and now we got it and we know we could connect globally. And it's like, yo, we're ready to hit the ground running. And that's where that comes from from us, you guys, is because we want to, we know things, we've seen things and we just want to be like, did you see that too?

So we have to keep pushing the envelope and creating a space for ourselves in these areas where we don't exist. so we can start getting into the dialogue that we need to get into. Yeah. And you, like you said, you do such a good job with it on Instagram because your Instagram is a great mix of your voice, but also, you know, funny videos that you make, funny content, but also shedding light on very important issues. You speak to your followers.

You talk to them. You're on the streets. You're out there. You're seeing what's going on. And you're sharing all of that on your, on your social. social media on top of, you know, the fun, lighthearted stuff as well. So for you, how do you kind of balance all of that? Like, how do you feel like, because you have a massive platform, you have over 10 million followers? Like, do you now kind of feel a pressure to use your Instagram

in that kind of way? I think it's who I'm growing into. It's like who I'm growing into. And I remember there was a time of my life where I felt like that, like inside, because I've always cared so much about everything. It's like, I think that's why my first love or one of my first introductions into the arts is acting because I just empathize with my characters, with stories, with, I'm just, my heart is so open. And I think as I've gotten older and I've learned more about the world around me and my country, I just started to care so much. And obviously, I know, like, I don't have all the answers and there's not anything that I can do to, like, you know, like Mother Teresa has a really great quote where she says there can be no great things done only small things with great love and

that rings true to me so i think as i continue to grow my platform continues to represent that whether it's something i'm creating within the art space whether it's a comedy sketch or it's a movie that's saying something or it's an audible like hit job that something or whether it's a post on my instagram it always is going to have some level of that depth or that heart to it just because that's what I care about. And that's also how I was raised. You know, my father is a deacon. And, you know, I remember when he would go to the old folks' homes and he would go to the prison and read prayers and he would give food.

And, you know, they always reminded me that, you know, if you have something to give, whether it's a smile, a hug, a encouragement, you've got to do it. You know, that's just, you know, because that's honestly, y'all, I just feel like, why not? That's how our world is going to get gone. we can't just sit back and just say, well, I'm not getting treated like that. So, you know, let me just turn my head. You know, that's fearmongering. We can't be in a space where we allow things to go down to all of us. Because at the end of the day, it's like, if we're only doing good in comparison to somebody that's doing bad, then we're not doing good.

And that's what I've realized is that I don't want America to just be doing good because we are comparing our people that are successful to our people that are being here. held back in poverty. There's a real issue there. So it's like we're not doing good as a whole. Because if you take the richest person in America to Sweden, are we really that rich? It doesn't add up. Things aren't adding up. So for me, it's like, it's not, it's like if we care, if we really care, then we really got to care about each other. That's the only way we become good. You know, I'm not, I'm not good just me being good. I'm only good if everybody is good. And I think that's just how I've always seen it. And to me, it's not necessarily religious, political, or anything.

It's just makes sense to me. You know, and so it's like I just, I don't see anything else making much sense. If only one is good, how does that really help anything? You know, so that's just, you know, I'm just realizing these things. And I'm asking these questions and I'm trying to figure things out because I just, I want us to normalize these kinds of dialogues. It's not about anybody arguing. it's not about us being mad at each other.

It's just saying like, yo, look, we gotta, this is a problem. I go on to European countries. Everybody's doing a lot, in a lot of those countries, everybody's doing all right. It's not, you know, yeah, sometimes you might see some stuff going down

and it might be difficult, but it's saying it ain't to this level. So it's like, y'all, we got to think of some things because everybody should be able to go to the doctors. Yeah. Now we're getting crazy. Everybody should be able to have a good education.

you know, so it's just like, I just want us to be better than that. Yeah, definitely. And, you know, I'm, I kind of feel like, you know, who'd be great to come back and deal with a lot of this on television is True Jackson. I just, God just want to say, you know, like I Carly, so many of these shows are kind of coming back from the Nickelodeon space. And who better to deal with what's going on in the world right now than True Jackson? I think she would crush it.

Definitely. We were just... Is this a real VP? Yes. We were just talking before we were like, True Jackson VP was really just like an iconic show. Like, it really was. I mean, you've done so many great things like Achille in the B, jump in, which we love. True Jackson VP.

Like, we are really such a big fan of you. Before we came into the interview, I said Dorea, she never missed. Never. She never missed. Never missed. Hustlers recently, which was awesome. Scream queens. Scream queens I was obsessed with.

We're just like naming your whole resume at this point. your IMDB page, but I feel like, I feel like we really, really loved True Jackson VP, and it would be truly awesome if you brought it back. I know it's like the thing that everyone, you like you said, oh, I probably is coming back and then, you know, Hillary Duff was going to do the Lizzie McGuire thing and Lizzie McGuire was going to be like grown up in the world. Like, she never stated me with not doing that. Us too. I know. But True Jackson VP could do exactly that. She would crush it.

Like a grown up, True Jackson, like, it just, it makes total sense. And I am, and I promise you guys, I am literally not going to leave, let you down with that. And I really definitely, like, I've been working so hard to figure something out for True Jackson because it's just like crazy. I, like, I knew how much True Jackson impacted me. But I've, again, learned as I've grown that it really did impact the generation. And it means so much to me that it did in that way. Like, I just, I'm so grateful. And so if True Jackson does come back, which, you know, it's a pretty good chance we get something up with that character and that storyline.

I would make sure that it's mature. Yes. You know, I wouldn't want it to be like, oh, she's a kid in a kid world again. You know, I would really want it to be like, yo, what's True's life like? Like, how is she dealing with being in this industry? How is she affected by social media? Is she now running her business through there? She, what's the mad style?

Like, I want us to be, how is she able to work and have love? What's her life become? And so I definitely, you know, want. those kinds of themes to be there because, you know, True Jackson, you know, we got to make sure that it's like we got to give it something good if we come back around. I can't just give you something cheap. Definitely. We agree. And I think that's kind of, you know, so much of why we were sad about the Lizzie McGuire thing too, because Hillary Duff was so she really was like, this has to be a mature Liz McGuire. And it kind of seemed like

they wanted to not have it be that. So she was like, well, that we're out. We're done. So very understandable. Because all the people who are fans and, you know, fans of True Jackson, and they're older now too. They don't want to watch the same show they watched. I mean, I would. No, I know. Yeah, you would. I still would watch it.

We would love, you know, we want to know where True is now and what she's doing now. So that's super exciting. I feel like, though, it may be different because Lizzie McGuire is Disney, which I think is more, they're like a little bit more, you know, PG. Whereas I think Nickelodeon has always been a little bit more risky. Nick and Night, baby. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's very true.

And then the beautiful thing about it now is like, you know, again, Disney is it can be difficult because they're, you know, their Disney channel, Walt Disney, Pixar. There's so many different things. And sometimes how they share their IP can be very like, you know what I mean? But when it comes to like, you know, freeform, it's like, I would have loved if Lizzie was on freeform. They seem ready to open up. You know, so I wish that there would have been a great way for that to happen, you know, but, you know, but, you know, It's just like, yeah, or even Disney Plus. Disney Plus, y'all not ready to open up on that.

I know. I know that's not the last. Yeah. It's like, I hope that that's not the last we hear about that listening thing because when Elizabeth McGuire was like Allie McBeill for kids. Yeah. She was the shit, for real. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Really, really hope that they figure that out. We really hope to see true. And then what, like, what's going on with you in the music space? We know that you had Virgo tendencies come out last year. and I just got to say I know we're going way back to, but for me and my friends, nothing gets the party going more than when we hit play and hear Miss Kiki P rocking the M-I-C. And everybody loses their shit. I played it before we started the interview.

I was like getting the right headspace. I'm playing bottoms up. Not even just because you were coming on the show. Like I've been out with Fran before where she's like, let's put on bottoms up. And I'm like, which one? Which one are we doing? Are we doing Kiki-K-K-Lmer? We know, Kiki Palmer.

No, not Big Sean, not, no, Kiki Palmer. No, the fact that Bottoms Up was like a low-key sleeper hit kills me to this day. Like, oh, my gosh, bottoms up. And I used to be so embarrassed about that as a kid because I don't know why I just would be so, you know, you just start overthinking yourself and everything like that. But it's like, that was me and my truest form. Now I'd be like more into rapping and stuff again. But it's just so funny at that age, like how you're your truest self and you just like let it show. And then you just start.

It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like myself. You go through this weird thing, you know, but music is great. I'm, you know, in a good position because it's so hard with the industry when you're constantly asking people to, you know, give you money to create stuff. It's different with acting, right, because you're like, I'm a character. doesn't matter. You don't want to play a character. You don't want someone to pay you to be somebody else

or to use your gift in a different way. Now maybe sometimes for some people, it can be that way, right? Some people are like, I just want to be a pop star. You know, I got a voice. Give me the image. I'm ready to go. And that's another version of it. And that's totally fine too.

But I think music is very personal to me. And I always wanted to really be able to have, not control, but have a real say of what I'm doing and not have to always contort myself into the image. of someone else. And so it was always difficult for me. And the reality is, is, you know, that's how it's always going to be. Anytime you ask somebody for some money, there's always going to be something that you're trading in for it or, you know, there's always, there's always going to be this thing because it's their money, it's their money, it's their money that they're

giving you. And I've just learned that, that that's business. And for me, that's made my journey with music a little harder because I think I've been a little less budging on certain things. And some of those decisions might be good. Some other people might have made different choices. But for me, it's always been what's best for me. And so I'm really happy to be in this place where, you know, it's just been brick by brick by brick. You know, I've been laying the foundation and investing in my own music career. And it takes a lot of money.

But it's another real dream and passion of mine in the same way that I invest time into money into creating Lady Miss Jacqueline or putting on that's the gag on YouTube or creating turned up with the tailors on Facebook. It's the same thing. It's like, you know, you got to also be, you got to be willing to put your money away your mouth is. And I think a lot of times as creatives, that can be really hard to, like, imagine. It's like, why? So-and-so got such and such. And it's like, but that's so-and-so. And so at the end of that, you're going to wait for somebody like so-and-so did, or are you going

to be that somebody for you? Are you going to be like Issa Rae and do a starter and put something up on YouTube and show people what you can do and then let the other opportunities roll in and continue to piggyback off of that? And it's up to you who you want to be. And I think for me, I've always been willing to, you know, put my money up because I believe in me the most. It's a great message. That's what it's about. So for me, music, I'm very excited to be in the place that I'm in now. Wow.

Yeah. It is a great message. Look, I feel like you've had great messages across the board throughout this entire thing. I know, seriously. We wish we could speak to you. I'm ready to go out there and start like my own business after this. I don't know. I'm feeling inspired.

I know. I know. I wish we could talk to you for longer. Unfortunately, we have to wrap up. But we just got to say we're so grateful for you coming. on the show and talking to us. Hit job is out on Audible, April 22nd. You're going to be able to listen to that on Audible. It's going to be 12 episodes. We're super excited. And I think everybody listening to this episode is going to go listen to the Audible because when they're listening to the

audio of you speak, it's amazing. You just have one of those voices. Chills. Yeah. Like it's just one of those voices you can stop, you like stop and listen to you speak. Yes. Definitely. You're just like totally engaged in you speaking. You speaking in interviews is the best advertisement for Audible. So funny, you guys, is you are the same way too. You guys have really incredible voices. Listening to you guys this entire time has been engaging, which is probably obviously why you do what you do. So right back at you girls.

Thank you so much. And we are so excited about the news that you like hinted at us a little bit about True Jackson VP. You know, it's not definite, but I feel like we may be getting something, which is super exciting. So thank you for that. Everyone check out Hit Job. We're excited for all the new things.

have coming up and anything that you will be in, we support. So thank you so much for coming on. Thank you guys so much. Take care. Talk to you later. Bye, bye. All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. We love you guys. We hope you had a great time listening to today's episode. Unfortunate loss for your girls. They did beat Ria and Fran, but that's okay. We'll talk to you guys on Friday for some Friday energy. Love you. Bye.