Chicks in the Office - Sophia Bush Interview + Kim K Denies Travis Barker Affair

Episode Date: May 28, 2021

Kim Kardashian denies Travis Barker affair (11:58-20:02). Rita Ora, Tessa Thompson & Taika Waititi throuple? (20:03-25:02). Bella Thorne and sisters potential KUWTK replacement show? (25:03-31:42). Ariana Grande wedding pics (31:43-35:37). Interview with Sophia Bush – talking her new show Good Sam, her podcast, growing up on One Tree Hill + more! (37:29-1:10:31). CITO merch > http://bit.ly/citomerch. Follow us on Instagram @chicksintheoffice and on Twitter @chicksintheoff + subscribe to our Snapchat show > http://bit.ly/thegroupchat & our YouTube > http://bit.ly/CITOYOUTUBE.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/chicks-in-the-office

Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rianne, giving you that Friday energy on a Friday. And we are leading into Memorial Day weekend, which is usually a super fun weekend to kick off the summer, except the weather, is going to be extremely shitty where we are. Yeah, it doesn't look good.

Very unfortunate. It's been super, excuse me. Sorry, I forgot to turn my camera on. Outside the people. Sorry, I forgot to turn my camera on. No, it's been, it's like today's, the weather this week in New York has been so nice, and now this weekend, now so nice. Rain, kind of cold, but we have some days off, which is great, some relaxation time. We won't have an episode on Monday. We haven't said that.

Monday is Memorial Day weekend, Memorial Day. and we won't have an episode we'll be back on Wednesday I'm excited for just a couple days to chill yes we have a four day weekend which is always exciting but yeah the weather's gonna be shitty but that's okay sometimes sitting inside watching movies

the friend reunion I can't friends Maravishtown finale Sunday night Ooh I can't wait If you're not watching Maravisstown Ria's already talked about and told you all to watch it then I watched it and now I'm also telling you to watch it.

I love when I get a good wreck out there. It's a good one. When I say, hey, everybody got to watch this. And then it's confirmed. Everyone's like, yeah, you know what? Yeah. You ran on it early. Yeah.

I was. But for sure, I watched, I had to watch four episodes. I watched them all in the plane to L.A. And crushed them all. Four in a row. And what was funny was she was like, I'm definitely not going to watch all of them. Like, I'll probably watch an episode. Then I'll go back to the circle.

Yeah. I watched them all straight through. great show get on top of that if you haven't watched already I thought I was having like an actual nervous breakdown because now in the apartment set up it's like you know one TV and he wasn't watching I watched and then I felt bad

because I was like the show is really really good you should try and catch up he hasn't done that so I was like well I got to watch but I didn't want to watch it on the big TV just in case he is going to watch it at some point so I'm sitting with my watching on my iPad with my headphones in and I'm like oh my

Oh my God. And he's like, thought I was talking to him. I was like, leave me alone. I'm watching this show. I mean, the show is so, so good. And listen, the finale is this weekend. So you can catch up. There's only seven episodes.

There's six episodes. Seven is the finale. Okay. Yeah. So listen, if you're in a state where it's rainy this weekend, binge watch Mary of East Town. Real quick. Knock it out.

I'm really excited. I love shows like this. Like I think Mayor of East Town, you know, We talked about the undoing a lot, which had kind of a similar vibe. Cruel Summer has a similar. I love these shows that are just murder mystery, psychological thriller type. I keep seeing commercials for nine perfect strangers, which is Nicole Kidman's new show. It comes out in August on Hulu, and I can't wait.

I'm like, August, I need it now because anything Nicole Kidman is in, I will watch straight up. I think she is so, so captivating. You see her face on screen and you can't look away. And on top of that, Big Little Lies and The Undoing were... Did you watch the most recent cruel summer? No, not yet. So don't... It's good.

Yeah, I heard it was really good. Obviously, I talked about this with Olivia. My parents are obsessed. Yes, yes. But it's all they talk about are these shows. No, Nine Perfect Strangers is also an incredible book. Really good. So I think that just confirms, like, you know, it'll be a great series as well.

It's the same kind of thing. Big Little Lies, written Liam Moriarty, same kind of thing. Her, is this also one of her books? So they're just like hitting the formula Take it to HBO And put Nicole Kidman in it And that's all you do

Put Nicole Kidman in anything People are watching I want to talk about The Bachelorette for a second Because I feel like It's coming up quick on us Two weeks until The

One week The premiere one week A week and a half A week in like Three days It's a week from Monday Insanity, we totally missed the bios. The bios are out.

The bios were out when over our heads. You know that we do that every single time. We still have time to do it before the premiere. Maybe for next Friday. We'll get them done. Because, you know, we can't do a season without doing that. No, and I got to learn about these guys. I don't know anything about them.

I feel unprepared. Is Blake Moynes being in the trailer a true thing? Yeah. That guy. Yeah. That guy, Blake. Done did it. He really cracks me up.

I he also tweeted that I was laughing last night. I passed a girl on the street and she tweeted afterwards that she saw me on the street. And it was like, ah, a fan girl over seeing her on the street. Blake Moynes, I replied to the tweet because I was carrying a squish mellow around my arm. And I was like, please excuse the fact that I was carrying a giant squish mellow into work. And Blake, like, replied to the girl who tweeted it being like, I would have done the same. Like, Blake wants. me, Blake? You've been on the show.

He just, like, these are the little things that just, like, really crack me up where I'm like, this fucking guy. Yeah, you're just going to. I just walked past at Barzell Friend. He wrote, I would too. That's hilarious. Thanks, Blake Moyens. But he is in the trailer, and it kind of looks like a say-anything moment.

He's like, she's on a balcony. It looks like he might have, like, a boombox over his head kind of thing. So, look, it's going to be a different story for us this time with Blake Moyens, right? Last time we saw him on our TV, he annoyed the out of us. Now this time we're Team Blake, sorry me rooting hard for him. Of course we will. I am excited. I was going to say I'm excited for the season. It came out. You can tell I wasn't

when I said that. But I'm always excited for a new season. Obviously. It's just we talked about this in an upcoming podcast that we did with Beckettillion, Tanya Rad. So I'll leave that. But it was just like the narrative that was made around this season. We talked about it before. The e-news article that made it seem like all the girls couldn't work together. Right. So I'm just excited to see how it turns out. Yeah. We're jumping back in after all the controversy. It's just like, oh, boy, we're really doing this again, huh? Right. Like, oh, back on the saddle. Yeah, we're just hoping that things go smoothly. Yep, exactly. But I think it's, I think it's time to get into the show, Frances. Let's do it. I have one thing I want to say. I was going to say you should acknowledge

something that happened in the set. Yeah. This is actually, exactly. Exactly what I was going to say. Oh, wow, on the same page. Our sign already broke. It didn't already break, but we have too many things put in in this room on a very long power strip, and it's not pulling enough power for the sign. We actually did show the moment it broke in the last YouTube. You can go during an ad read, see Rhea.

Have it glitch and go out. So we're already signless. We are already. And, you know, hopefully. A fake podcast again, because the neon sign is done. We're back. We are fucking fake-ass podcasters. Yeah. And that's all right. Oh, I actually wanted to talk about something exciting. That happened to me yesterday, which, whatever, a little humble brag real quick. There is a female comedian who I love very, very much, Annie Letterman. I have been a fan of her. I love her. She cracks me up. I watch her podcast, Bloodbath, which is really, really funny. And I just, anything that she puts out, I'm consuming. She DM me yesterday.

Yeah. And it's the best DM I've ever got Like I, you know, we get some DMs, we've gotten some DMs from guys, we've gotten DMs some girls, you know, they're all exciting. But she DM me about coming on the show, checks in the office, and she also called me a hilarious hot bitch, which I love first of all being called hot and also a bitch. So those two things made me love her even more. And I think she's going to come on the show, which will be really, really fun because we don't usually have a lot of comics on this show. And I think it'll be a different type of show. and also just it made me happy because I love when other women DM us.

You know what I mean? It's always a nice feeling when another woman's like, you know what? I appreciate you. And I'm like, I really appreciate you. So that was very exciting. We'll have her on. Yeah, we will. But let's get into the topics for today's show.

On a recent podcast, we talked about Rita Ora's new relationship with Tycho with Titi. New information coming out about this, new pictures. Rita Ora, Tessa Thompson, and Tycho Wattiti having a very public PDA moment, the three of them together. Kim Kardashian clarified whether or not her and Travis Barker

have ever hooked up. It looks like Ryan Seacrest is out on the hunt for a new Kardashian reality TV show, and it seems like he's looking at Bella Thorne's family, and Ariana Grande released her wedding photos, which were obviously beautiful, and we have

a great interview with Sophia Bush, who is just marvelous. Just loved everything about her. She is so lovely and obviously she has the best voice. The best. Sophia Bush just has an awesome voice. Always.

So listen for that fact alone. I know. I had so much more I wanted to talk to her about too and we just ran out of time, unfortunately. Ran out of time unfortunately, but I'm sure we'll have her back again. I think she will. So. Trent just messaged a group that he just walked by Kit outside of the office just now.

Wow. Wow. Any interaction? I doesn't seem like you Yeah I feel like we would have heard A little bit more than that A little interaction I'm surprised that's the first time

Like there's all those girls Who in New York all the time It's only a matter of time before we walk past them Like when she walked back She probably talks to her friends I just walked by Luggage Guy Trent Yeah Probably at the same moment

Yeah definitely All right let's get into the show Starting off with Kim Kardashian And Travis Barker If you're a fan of the show If you follow Fran and I on social media. If you follow checks in the office in general, you know that I've had a long journey

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I think if. lying though. She could be lying because also like why she would never say yeah that did happen. Right but I think if it did happen they would have just kept ignoring what was going on and that was a Q&A that you don't you could pick which questions you want to answer. She didn't have

to answer that question. She went out of her way to say false narrative and maybe it is true but maybe the whole family is like no we're just going to squash this right now either way unbelieve in Kim Kay maybe Travis Barker wanted to hook up with her they were friends maybe he tried to pursue her and Courtney

was with Scott, maybe Kim was single at the time. Who knows? But everyone's happy for Travis and Courtney. You know what's funny? My aunt, we were talking, and she was like, you know what couple I really love? Travis Barker and Courtney Kardashian? I was like, what?

She goes, at first, I was confused by it. But she's very much about like energy and crystals and she does Reiki healings and all that. She's actually very good. But she was like, I can feel their energy as a couple through their picture. I was like, you know what? Damn, can she feel LNG?

And sexual. I'll ask her. She might say yes. She's very good with that stuff. She feels it. And I was like, you know what? I believe you and I feel it too. I absolutely agree with that. Did you see Benny Drama did a very funny

video of him doing Courtney, like punk rock Courtney? Very, very funny. But the two of them together have been great. Kim doing the Q&A. It's like every once in a while, Kim's just got to do one of these. Clear up some rumors. just hit us all in the face with the truth. She also answered one about her getting sued because they're saying that she hadn't paid past

workers that had worked at her house. And she said, you know, that wasn't true. I paid the vendor. The vendor was supposed to pay the workers. That was on the vendor, not her. So just kind of clearing up some things. It's like the five-minute Kardashian rumor mill. She should just have like a weekly appointment.

A weekly Insta story where she just replies to some of the craziest stories. won't because they don't pay that much like they never address everything but yeah and she also addressed the bar exam she did not pass her baby bar exam and there were rumors that she was rethinking being a lawyer because she didn't pass but on her story she said she's not going to give up right that's on the episode seemed like she was maybe going to stop trying right she's on her story she said she's not giving up she's going to hell yeah and i i just love kim kardashian i just do i love kim Kardashian and I'm not afraid to hide it. Everything she does.

I feel like you just need a like we I'm trying to think of like I feel like you just need a t-shirt that says I love Kim Kardashian. I do because I feel like Kim Kardashian obviously we talk about all the time. The Kardashians, they get so much shit. People hate on them. But I think that

Kim Kardashian is very self-aware. I think she knows what people think about her obviously, but she knows how to play into it. And I also think she's very smart. Yeah. I think people underst me how smart she is. Yes. Especially when you like are so publicly talking about taking the test and you're studying and you're studying so hard and all in the show they show her studying so much. And then she has to be like, well, didn't pass. How would you rank your favorite Kardashian? Well, I was going to say, I feel like the question is always coming up. Who's your favorite Kardashian? And people don't say Kim because

Kim is the Kardashians, right? Yeah. So saying Kim feels like the cliche answer. But I think I'm going to say Kim. I think it's Kim in all forms. It's got to be Kim Kardashian. Yeah, but Kendall's not the most likable. You asked us who we liked the most. No, I know, but I'm saying like, I feel like that's like the cool thing to say. Yeah, like I think.

Because she's like the cool one. No, I think you're right. I think if you were to be like, and I was trying to be cool, I'd be like, oh, well, I like Kendall. But I mean, I like Kendall's sense of style and I like her fashion, but we don't really see much of her person. personality. And I think, you know, I love Kylie too. I think Kylie has a great personality. I see we, I think we see more of Kylie's personality than Kendall. I think I would rank mine Kim being number one. And these are just who you like the most least. But I like, I really like them all, to be honest. I mean, you can like them all, but you can still put them in order. I like, I think Kim's number one.

Kylie number two. Whoa. Yes. Okay. Kim number one, Kylie number two. Three, I have mine. Okay, then you go. Okay. Mine is Kim, Chloe, um, Kendall, Kylie, Courtney. Wow. Courtney. She would be my top, too. I mean, I like, this is what I said. I like all of them, but Courtney is going last. I almost would put Courtney before Chloe at this point in my life. I used to really love Chloe. Chloe used to be a fave. I've always really, always really like Chloe. Totally Chloe just has a better sense of humor than all of them. She does.

She does. She does. That's why I'm really struggling right now. Okay. And I've only, I've only feel like we've heard really, I mean, we hear nice things about all of them, but especially Chloe. I want to do Kim number one and then all the rest of them tie at number two. Oh. Boo.

I can't. Okay. Number one, Kim. Two. Kylie. Three. you're really struggling with this I really am because I really like Kendall's fashion sense a lot

more than all of them and Kendall we're not ranking their fashion sense but like who she hangs out with like Tyler the career because if we're I mean if we're ranking yeah it's pretty cool if we're ranking fashion fashion sense Kendall is number one by far like out of all of them who I'd want to be friends with the most would be Kendall

okay or Kylie closer in age you know the friends groups are cool. Okay. I just got to shut my eyes and do it. Yeah, just. Okay. KKK, come on.

Kim. Kylie. Do it. You just got to pick a third. You just got to do it. That's what I'm struggling the most with. Kim, Kylie,

Kendall, Chloe, Courtney. Yeah. Part of me wants to put Courtney before Chloe right now, but I know in the heart of hearts I do enjoy Chloe's humor. And I just think we have more in common with

Chloe that we do, Courtney. So I'm going to go, Kim. Wait, what do you mean in common? Like, I just think we could hang out with Chloe. Like, I think Chloe, like, chill. She hangs. I think Chloe smokes weed. Like, you know what I'm saying? I think, like, Chloe's, like, a fun time. Courtney's, like, going to be shoving spinach down my throat.

You know what? I'm actually changing it. I got a new one. Kim, Kylie, Chloe, Kendall, Courtney. Kim, Kylie, Chloe Kendall, Courtney. All it took was me saying Chloe smokes weed for her to be like, oh shit, but so does Kendall. Oh, I forgot. Kendall's like, I'm stoner. Yeah? Yes. I'm sure. Kendall says she's a stoner, so.

Oh, my God. Uh-oh. I think Kendall's back at third. Do I take? No, but then now it's the same list as yours. I got to keep Kylie at number two. Yeah, yeah. Because if I take Kylie at number two, put Chloe at number two and then put Kylie, Kendall Corny, then I'm just stealing your list. Yep. All right. Whatever. Moving on. Anyway. We spent entirely too much time on that. Way too long. Way too. long. Anyway, Kim, didn't bang Travis Barker. End of story. On one of our most recent episodes, we talked about Rita Ora and Tycho Wittiti becoming a couple.

But then we got pictures and some articles about Tycoe Wittiti, Rita Ora, and Tessa Thompson. Basically just having a little public PDA moment, the three of them together, making out all with each other, having a good time.

I don't know. I support it. I really think that's all it is. I think they're having a good time. They're all there in Australia. They're filming the next Thor movie. Tyke is directing. Tessa Thompson's in the movie. Because there are also pictures of Tessa Thompson kissing like some very hot model in Australia the same day as well. So just like they're just kissing. Is it messed up? Kissing everyone. Is it messed up of me to assume that they're on drugs while doing this? And not harsh drugs. Just maybe some fun ones. No. I don't think that's wrong of you. It's very possible.

Under the influence of some sort. Under the influence of some sort is probably very valid. Yeah, I mean, that could be true too. They could be completely sober. I don't know. I was just throwing that question out there. I mean, it looks like they are drinking in the photo. Like, it looks like there's some kind of, they got wine glasses of some, there's a yellow

liquid in them. Yeah. It could be something funky in there. Like in broad daylight, the three of them making out with each other screams, shrooms. Yeah. Or, you know, anything. I don't know. I don't want to automatically assume that. I'm just joking. But either way, I think that they're just having fun and I support it.

They just all love each other. Whether they're all in a relationship together, whether it's just Rita, Orra and Tycoe with Tee and Tessa Thompson was just joining in on the fun. Don't care either way. I'm happy for them. Exactly. I really think it was just like, ah, love you guys. Let's all kiss. Because there's pictures of her kissing. Very hot model, man. Did you see these ones? He's very cute Kind of gives me like Liam Hemsworth vibes from the side His name's Zach Stenmark

He is an Australian model They all seem very horny That day Kissing and laughing in Sydney Very horny Very horny So horned up day Yeah

The weather is nice They're filming The sun is shining They're just like You know what Let's fuck Normalize kissing your friends That's all

Yeah Right Yeah Well I've told this story before But not Maybe not on the podcast. I told it when I was doing a live thing on TikTok where someone was like, have you and Fran ever kiss?

And I was like, absolutely because one time, or we've definitely kissed maybe more than once. I think more than once. Definitely more than once. But we were in Aruba and Fran said something to me that was not so nice, remember? And I was like, well, that was kind of mean. And then you were like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry and you were like kiss me right now And I was like no

And you were like you have to kiss me for it to be okay She was so drunk She was like she told me to shut up randomly We were just in a group of people talking And she wanted to get her story out And she was like shut up Ria and I was like Jesus Christ Fran And she was like oh my god I'm so sorry

I didn't mean that like I'm drunk And she was like you have to kiss me right now And I was like no I'll be completely honest I don't remember this No she goes and actually It's so funny This makes it even better we were with like a group of guys who were in a bachelor party and they were so sweet we've talked about this

they just came and sat and hung out they're sitting at the table this is when fran goes rea you have to kiss me right now i'm like no fran and she was like you have to so we're okay and so i kissed her and then all the guys good answer yeah all the guys at the table they're like all right we got to go they just got up and left right after that oh i thought you were going to say they had the opposite really no no they literally were like okay guys we got to go and i was like fran i think you don't remember any of this i was like Friend, I think we may have just scared them off. Like, we started kissing and they were like, we're out of here. Don't remember any of this.

That's too bad. I remember it. It was nice. What kind of kiss was it? Just a quick. Okay, that's right. That's fine. Yeah, on the lips.

It's not like we were making out for these guys. No, we weren't making out for these guys, but they were very taken aback. They were not expecting me and you to just kiss. Well, you know, they got a nice treat. Literally, I felt bad for what I said. You did. And you know what? Kiss and makeup.

It was a good move on your part. Because I forgave you immediately after. That's the power of the kiss and makeup. Exactly. The same way you treat your boyfriend, your girlfriend, whatever you say something. You're like, oh, I'm so sorry. Give me a kiss.

Yeah, give me a kiss. Yeah. Well, I do it to Joe, so clearly I felt comfortable doing it to you too. And I just thought it was funny that these guys were like, okay. That's where we draw the line. Have a nice night, ladies. Yeah, but sometimes you just got to kiss your pals.

That's it. And so maybe that's what they're doing. Yeah. Like, hey, maybe Rita Orr said something mean. Maybe Rita Orr said something mean, it does a Thompson. Yeah. Hey, come in. Yeah, come in.

Let me give you a kiss. They just all love each other so much. We know that the Kardashians keeping up their show is going to end. And they want to fill the space on E. Ryan Seacrest is the man who really catapulted that show. He backed them big time executive producer, the whole thing. So page six wrote an article. claiming that Ryan Seagrest is out there looking for who's going to take that spot,

who's going to be the next quote-unquote keeping up with the Kardashians. It's that you're never going to find anyone who could do it. But who could come close. So page six here is that apparently he has his eyes on the Thorne family, Bella Thorne and her sisters. And his camp has denied that this is happening. But, you know, insiders are saying that, you know, they could be a perfect replacement is the quote.

So there's Bella. Danny, their half-sister, Kylie, their mom, you know, the whole kind of thing. It would be very interesting. It's a total opposite kind of vibe of Kardashians, but maybe that's what they need. I feel like the Thorne family is very messy, more than people would know publicly.

I think that Bella Thorne has kind of hinted at it in some interviews and other things in her life. her mom is a manager and I think that her mom and her maybe didn't get along at some point and she also has other siblings. I just feel like the reality show Kardashian era of reality shows is over for E. I think that it was on in its prime streaming services weren't really out. It was something to tune into every week. Cable television. And I just don't think that's in anymore. Obviously, with Bravo shows, everybody watches Real Housewives and Summer House and Southern Charm and things like that. But those have been on for a few years now.

Yeah. I think starting a new reality show on E isn't really going to pick up like it did with the Kardashians years and years ago. I think reality shows on Netflix and Hulu will pick up because people will watch anything that has put out on those services. But just to put like the Thorn family reality show on E, I don't think it's necessarily going to jump off like, they may think. Of course, in my head, I'm like, yeah, I'd watch Bella Thorne's family reality show. But am I tuning in weekly to watch that on E? Probably not. I'd probably watch it if it was on anything else. But I just don't see it jump. I don't see any family unless they're so outrageous jumping off like the Kardashians did. It'll never jump off that way. I don't know if it's necessarily like dead completely. I feel like

they could create something that is enticing enough. They're wackos that family, you know? Like there's probably some weird shit, um, relationship stuff, family stuff, like really getting into it would be very, very interesting. And I think that like with some of the way that people watch TV now, it is possible to do it. Like, I have YouTube TV.

So YouTube TV has unlimited DVR. So like I just, like, I have all the shows that I, I watch still scheduled on my YouTube TV. And so when I go into like my library, it's all there. Kardashians, housewives. Like, everything is right there. So it kind of feels like I'm watching on a streaming service even though I'm not. Well, I guess kind of technically, but you know what I'm saying?

Like it's not, I'm not watching on cable and I'm not watching Wednesday at 8 p.m. But I can watch it. I can fast forward through the commercials. So I don't see the commercials and still consume it like that because that's how I still watch the Kardashians. And yeah, like, I'll fall behind a few episodes of the Kardashians, but I still watch all the episodes. I'm just surprised. And you know who I, what family I thought of that was like, it seemed to me maybe a clear choice for a reality show on E, not the Thorns, the Colpo sisters.

I really thought that they were, one, already getting a reality show. There were rumors about that a while back that, you know, there were, I think it was maybe on Dumas. I don't even know Dumas even existed, but there was... It was on Dumas. That, like, Christian McCaffrey was waiting to propose because they were maybe going to get this reality show and wanted to do on the show. But I don't know if there's any truths to that. But I'm interested in that, too, because I thought, like, that made a lot of sense. But also, maybe they're just, like, too normal.

No, like, because that's very possible. It's like, hey, you can test and we'll see what happens. But, like, if there's no. nothing crazy happening. It's probably not going to be as enticing to an audience. But, you know, they have babies, boyfriends, younger siblings. Like, they have a huge range of people

that they could have on a show like that. So I felt like maybe that that made a lot of sense. But I just also, that nothing came out of that. As of now. Yeah, I think that the copos would be interesting. I think the thorns would be interesting. All of these families would be interesting for sure. But I think when you're looking for the next Kardashians

somebody to fill that spot, I think there are never going to happen. And I think there were so many factors that went into the Kardashians that made them who they are. One being, it's something you are tuning into every week. Yeah. And there was no social media at the time. So we got all of our information then. So you're getting, you want to get into these people's lives. And the only way you're finding out about these people's lives besides tabloids is you're tuning into the show and you're finding out all the drama on the show. Also, the background of the family, Rob Kardashian was very famous. Caitlin Jenner, Bruce at the time. Like there were other factors that went into the Kardashians being very well known besides

Kim Kardashian being famous. Yeah, yeah. They had a family history behind them. And it was very interesting. And so many of them. Yeah. So they were all like still, they were also either famous or fame adjacent.

Right. And not only that, you got Brody Jenner and Brandon Jenner and Brody Jenner. And Brody Jenner was on the hills and you got all these people coming into the mix that just made them, you must watch. You have to see what this family is doing. And I don't think any other family lives up to that right now or is going to any time soon. Obviously, one day, there is going to be another family out there that takes off.

But I just don't, I think, I don't think it's, I don't think it's going to happen with the phones. Too soon. Yeah, it is too soon. Too soon. They're going to have to wait a while to really find something, I think. Ariana Grande shared photos from her small wedding at her house. The photos are stunning. I think I saw a lot of people kind of saying that they were shocked by this look for her.

I really wasn't shocked. It made a lot of sense to me, like sleek, sexy. The dress was Vera Wang. Like it was stunning. And I just like, that's kind of what I pictured. I pictured the same exact thing. talked about you said she was going high pony i said that maybe she was going to wear her hair down yeah she did do a pony situation i think it might have been half up half down but she did pony it to her wedding

and she looked amazing i think that that dress was so perfect for her so subtle but sexy and sleek and understated but that's perfect for the kind of person she is because i think that she doesn't need her aura as a human being is so large that she doesn't need a larger-than-life dress. No. She just glows and just such a simple dress like that. Yeah. And her glam, her makeup was perfection.

She's also very small. Yeah. So it's like, it's just funny because I kind of think of you guys, like together, like, they're just short people. That's the kind of dress I would wear at my wedding. I just feel like it's hard to do the big princess dress, things like that. And Arna Grande, in these pictures you can see and you can look at them, on Vogue too.

She's wearing, Dalton, I must be very tall. And I know she is very short, but like, she's wearing eight inch heels. Like, the heels she has on are giant enormous.

And she's still not even close to being as tall as him. Like, look at how high that heel is and where she falls on Dalton's face. She's still, like, up to his nose. It's unbelievable. I don't even know how anybody walks in that heel. I know.

I know. The shoes were insane. Her feet had to be. killing her. She had to have changed out of those immediately. Yeah, I just and I guess maybe like because they're kind of Gaga-esque where the top of them have such a big

platform that your foot isn't actually arched as much because it's like sometimes those are easier to walk in. That's what I'm saying. They just have, they just are straight up like a staircase. Like you're just giving yourself lifts straight up six inches and you're rising elevator shoes. You're on your way up.

Yeah. The whole thing is awesome. I love that we got to see pictures from it because for a little bit I was like, ah, I don't know if we're going to see anything from this wedding. They have been keeping their relationship very private, but thank you Ariana Grande for sharing this with us because now we got to see these beautiful photos.

So beautiful. And he looked very handsome. He really did. Snaps for Dalton. No, you know, it was his wedding day too. Yes, it was. Yes, he did get married as well. To Ariana Grande, which is fucking awesome. Yeah. And the way they like did the whole house with

the vines and the candles, very, very intimate and beautiful. And the jewels, of course, like just the rain Schwartz, diamonds. Unbelievable. Absolutely. Absolutely stunning photos. And it looks like they just got married in this room. I was just like, I do. I do.

Okay. We're married. You know, not a huge spectacle, not a huge thing. But it's just stunning. I love that. Beautiful table. Doesn't that just look lovely? I love a nice table with a lot of green, a lot of greenery, which is what she had.

I love obviously flowers and colors too, but like foresty, foresty kind of vibes is, I think, very pretty. RIP, my sister's wedding, that's what it was going to look like. Damn. Yeah. Damn. Ending on a sad note. Yeah, but good for Ariana Grande because she got to have hers.

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For me, it's been so much fun because, A, even in terms of the tech, which you're being very kind. You're like, you have your pro setup. I'm like, yeah, but we didn't talk to the audience about the disaster it was for us to all get on this campaign. So thank you for that kindness. But podcasting for me feels like such a natural extension of my general curiosity. And it's a really good place to put it because you don't have time to have, you know, deep 30, 40, 60 minute conversations on set with people that you find really interesting because you have to like be on your mark and do the thing and say the lines. And for me, in terms of loving science and being politically active and existing and action. activist spaces, this has been this incredible arena that I've gotten to step into and be as curious

as I want to be. And I'm not on anybody's clock but mine. And it's sick. So I love it. And I really like the name of the podcast, work in progress, because you're just always learning. You're having these interesting conversations, like you said. And you also have an amazing podcast voice. I'm sure I'm not the first person to tell you that, but you really do. Thank you. Thank you so much. Recently, I've had a lot of people on Twitter asking me if I will do the the bedtime stories on that. Calm app. Yes. Which is so funny to me because they, I don't know, I never even considered that. I was saying to you guys, like my dream person to announce everything to me is Morgan Freeman. Like I just want my Siri to be his voice. So it's such a trip to me that

people feel that way about mine, but thank you. Yeah, I mean, you should do it. The com app is awesome. You know, they've had like, Harry Seiles, Matthew McConaughey. Yes. Like, it's a, it's a comp. That's like the highest form of voice compliment when people say you've got to be on the comm app.

Yeah. That's how I felt. Also, speaking of Matthew McConaughey, how sick would it be to just have him in an affirmation just being like, you're going to be all right, all right? I would love that. Exactly. But you can do it on your podcast, too. Like if you just want to slip in some bedtime stories at the end of your show,

like maybe. Put everyone to sleep. Exactly. I'm just throwing it out there, just throwing out ideas. But is it like a one woman show that you're working with? I'm sure you have other people helping you, but you were setting up the mic. You were talking about the levels. How did you learn all of this?

I think that there's a great benefit, you know, coming from what I do for my day job because I'm a bit of a tech nerd and you really really. do have to be proficient in supporting your audio team as an actor, unless you want to be a real asshole, which I don't. And I always joke that I work for the sound department really, because I wire myself and I wire other people all the time on set to help save time. And I think coming from that experience on set and then taking it all the way back to doing theater in high school and, you know, sound teching shows, I've always really enjoyed this part. And with the pandemic, it, became an immediate requirement overnight. I had to know how to manage my Zoom board and, you know,

handle the audio and do things. And we do have a great team. You know, I get to show up and do what I do. I have a researcher who puts prep docs together. Then I go in like a lunatic because research is my favorite thing and I redo them all the time. And it took a while to be like, no, it's not that anything's wrong with your dog. It's just that this is how I prep. Like I go in and I take the thing and then I completely rewrite it. And then I get to pass it off to great, you know, engineers. I have a phenomenal editor, a guy named Josh Windish, who kills it. And they help me kind of put everything together on the back end

and then deliver a neat little package that goes into the digital ether. And that's not my spiritual gift. This part is more my speed. So it's nice to have a great support team. And, you know, I don't think I could do it without all these people who've helped me do this so far. far. So it's really a group of humans I'm very thankful for. Absolutely. Caitlin is sitting across here right now.

She's like looking at her computer taking notes, because she knows I'm talking about her. Our producer is like loving this talk. He's like, producer talk. Great. I'm here for it. Well, it's such a thing I think so often about, again, in this space and also in my day job, because even right now, we're on Zoom. So there's two camera angles. I can see the two of you and you can see me. And just like on a television show, if this were a scene that were to be cut together, the three of us would look like we were alone together.

But in reality, there's camera people everywhere. There's sound people working. There's such a huge crew that's required to put together anything creative. And those are the people I just want to shout out all day because they're often invisible in the final product, but the final product wouldn't exist without them. Totally. And I feel like we've talked about this recently with other actors and actors. that come on the show and have done something or started filming something

in the fall and it's being released now and you just think about the team has put in so much work, especially in the pandemic, to get things going and just shout out to all the editors, producers out there. Noah, this one's for you. Yeah, it's been crazy but we were looking at your

last two episodes and the guests you've had on are so cool because they vary so greatly like you're talking about the vaping problem that this country has. You're talking about, you're talking about Jose Andres. You're talking to Ben and Jerry, like so many cool things. And are you like picking just all your guests from like, hey, I kind of just want to learn more about what this person is doing?

Oh, 100%. Just people that I think are fascinating. And then I think it's interesting because sometimes we'll go places with people that an audience might think they know that are unexpected. You know, Chelsea Handler's one of the funniest human beings alive. And she made me laugh my ass off when she came on the podcast. And we talked about her going to therapy and understanding what trauma is. And people were like, whoa, that was like kind of really deep. And, and, you know, there's a, there's a curiosity about what makes people tick for me. So whether it's talking to her about that journey, talking to Jose Andres about the kind of poetic love that he has for food,

and for people because of it. Or talking to Hillary Clinton about all this shit people don't know about her and how cool she is. Getting to speak this week to this incredible scientist, Gladys West. Like, she's unbelievable. She helped create GPS. And, you know, she was one of the first four black employees at Dalgren working for the U.S. Navy analyzing satellite reports.

And I'm like, was it so crazy to do that as a woman? during an era of the beginning of integration. And she's just like, yeah, a lot of what's going on. She's so casual about it. And I'm just so fascinated whether people come from a, you know, a science background, a social justice background, entertainment, politics, writing, music. I think people are so cool. Yeah. And it seems like you really want to dive deep. It's not just like surface level conversation. You really want to find out more, like you said, what makes that person tick. when you are coming up, you're preparing for your interview, like you said, you have the docs, you're going through it, you're rewriting shit. Are you writing down a bunch of questions that you have, or are you just coming up with the questions as you go along? Yeah, I keep a format for questions and then sometimes I use it and sometimes I don't. But without it, I think I'd feel scared. It's kind of like as an actor, I'm always walking around on set during rehearsal with my sides in my hands, but I don't look at them very often. But if I didn't have them, I feel like I would blank on my lines during rehearsal.

It's like such a weird. It's like a security blanket. Yeah, just to know it's there. Yeah, if you panic, right. Yeah, but there's always something that I discover about someone in an interview that's unexpected. And then I want to pull it that thread and, you know, follow it and see where it goes. And I will say it's so cool when I get to the end of talking to someone and they say,

I've never told that story before or especially with, you know, know, really public figures, I'll get an email from, you know, someone on their team or someone who works with them and say, I've never heard them tell that story before. And I'm like, great. Yeah. Yeah. It makes me feel so proud. Yeah. It feels super rewarding. Yeah. It totally is. Yeah. We agree from our end, too. It's the same kind of thing. We're like, when we walk out of the room, it's like, wow, we had no idea that that happened to them or that they had that life experience. Yeah. It's very cool. Yeah. What made you guys want to start your podcast? I'm sorry. I'm, I'm, no, look at me.

I was going to interview you. It's funny that I... But I'm so curious. Yeah, I was thinking in my head. I was like, I'm asking her questions about how she interviews people. Meanwhile, going into this, I was like, oh, I'm nervous.

I got a right now. We got a little meta there for a second. I was like, whoa. It's like, what's going on here? But we just, we were both two of the first women to start at Barstall sports, and we really just bonded over pop culture. And we saw...

I love for TV. TV, movies, all that. And we basically just started on Instagram making videos, very short form, like one-minute videos. People wanted to see more podcasts where obviously, you know, everyone was making a podcast and they were like, you guys should make a podcast. And we thought no one would listen to it. It was like three years ago. And yeah, and we were so wrong. Like, people really do love podcasts. They were right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. I think that's, I don't know. I think there's something so human about that, though. I had the same.

feeling. I was like, who is going to, what? And it took enough people in my life saying, no, you're, you're really good at asking questions, and you're a great conversationalist, and there's people you can text that not everybody can. And there was something about that, that lit my brain up where I thought, oh, it is such an immense privilege to have done the work I've done and now be able to text Gloria Steinem and ask her a question about the civil rights movement. Like, what? That blows my mind that that's my life. Like, if you told 14-year-old me who just was, you know, looking at a picture of Gloria and Dorothy on her wall, that that would be my future. I would have probably spontaneously combusted. And the, I find that being able to share

those conversations is actually a really excellent way, not only to lean into curiosity, but to spend your privilege. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And I think that, especially in the podcast space to social media and access to social media, like putting an episode out and then being able to read people's responses or hearing what they feel about it. If this resonated with them, if this didn't resonate with them is a really cool aspect to it also. Because that's when you're thinking, when you're speaking and you're like, is anybody listening to this? Is this helping anyone? Am I sharing? like am I making anyone laugh and just get the feedback of people being like, that was really funny or we really liked that or we didn't know that about you.

It's cool. It's the same kind of thing like, you know, your podcast is so incredible. You speak to these incredible people and we speak to incredible people as well. We're speaking to you right now. But this is like it's another access where not only do you get to access these amazing people, but you get to access the people at home too, which is, it's cool. It's really cool. And I feel like a lot of times when you're talking on the podcast, or at least for me, the stuff that I worry about that I said, and not in a way that's like I said something wrong, but like being more honest than usual.

Like there were episodes where we talked about my anxiety or just like other things like that. And I'm like, should I put that out there? Family things. And we put it out there. And the response is so overwhelming compared to like a normal episode that makes you appreciate it even more. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's so interesting because we all have that very,

it's such a very human fear to think, oh, if I expose this vulnerable part of myself, people will lean back and go, but really when you open up about something, everyone leans in and says, oh, you too. And it's such a wild thing that we learn that lesson.

We have to learn that lesson over and over and over again. Yeah. And I think there's something so rad about this space because, to your point, whether you're laughing hysterically having a super silly conversation or you're getting into something like a topic that surrounds mental health or talking about family dynamics, which for so many people can be so difficult, you can find more of yourself in every arena. And out in the world, we're only encouraged to share the highlight reels and the happy stuff. And it's like, maybe I learned the most about myself through this joyful experience, or maybe I learned so much about myself through this experience that required my own self-interrogation or my own vulnerability with other people. And I don't know.

I think there's something that lets us both as hosts, you know, the interviewers, the interviewees, and our audiences. I think this space of true conversation lets us all be so much more ourselves. I'm very, I'm very enamored with it. I'm like, God, I sound like I'm writing a love letter. What's wrong? I love your passion for it. What has the feedback been like for you? It's been so cool. You know, some of the things that are really tremendously meaningful to me are when somebody says, you and this guest articulated a conversation about a subject and I've been trying to find the words and I, you know, I shared this with my family.

My family and I don't see eye to eye on politics or on whatever the cultural conversation might be. And this helped. This was a gateway for us. I asked my parents to listen to this with me or I sent this to my sister. And then we had a great conversation. That stuff has been so, I don't know what the word for this feeling is. Yeah. But I realize I need to come up with it because you guys can see me and other people.

probably can't. But it like stops me in my tracks. It makes me just feel like I'm really tapping into, you know, my best purpose. Like I'm able to do some good and that that feels very cool. And to have moments that are that kind of profound feeling and then also, you know, have somebody say, oh, I was having the roughest week and I listened to you interview this person and I just laughed for an hour. I'm like, I love this. Just the best feeling. It really is. It really is. We want to talk about your television journey as well because we were watching the, you know, the little teaser trailer for Good Sam.

And I'm just curious because, you know, you've been in this space. You've done the television drama series. And I'm sure you've been offered tons of different television drama series down the line. What drew you to Good Sam and specifically like kind of this role? Oh, man. it's just so good the show is just so good it's actually so good I was kind of pissed about it

because I you know network TV is so amazing because you get to connect with such a big audience and it's really tough because the schedules are insane and you never get to live where your family lives and for a person like me who just like I need to hug my people FaceTime is fine for a while but I

don't know I'm like a puppy I just want to snuggle the distance can be really hard. And I spent so long on location that for a while, I thought, I'm really going to lean into doing these movies that I care about, which is also weird because now so many things are coming out at the same time. False positives coming out and Good Sam launched its trailer. And I'm like, whoa, all of this work we've been doing behind the scenes is like hitting the mainstream. dream. But I was really kind of debating what I wanted to do. I worked on this great show on Netflix

called Easy with this badass director, Joe Swamberg, and Joe and I started talking about writing something after he took a break to be with his family. And I was all in on that. I was like, yeah, let's just like write another cool Netflix show. We'll do six episodes and then it'll be over forever. with an experiment that will be for me. And then an agent who represents writers that I really trust, because I've met with him on a bunch of stuff, and he's sourced some really good material for me to consider producing. And he said, I have this script you have to read.

And I was like, oh, okay, what is it? You know, and where do you see it? And when should we produce it? And he was like, no, no, no, no, for you to act in. And I was like, yeah, okay, what's the, is it an indie movie? Yeah. Like, what is it? And he was like, no, it's a, it's going to be a network drama.

And I was like, dude, come on. And he was like, just read it. And I read it. And I remember just being like, oh, shit. This is my show. Like, I know that this is my show. And I, you know, it's tongue in cheek to say the oh shit part because honestly, I'm so in love with it that I was like, well, obviously we're doing this.

But it is funny because I'm like, well, here I go. I'm going on location again. But it's just a phenomenal. piece of writing. Katie Wash is an incredible writer and I don't want to be like part of me thinking about this sentence makes me want to barf because it's so cliche at this point but to be like it's just so amazing to be written by a woman but really it is. Yeah. The whole thing is just different and it's like every single one of my favorite kinds of shows wrapped into one and it feels like a fresh take. and even just the main sort of relationship dynamic of tension and frustration being between my character and her father

rather than like a girl and some guy she has a crush on. It just feels fresh. And I had so much fun making this pilot. I just am geeked that I'm going to go to work every day and make this a show and get to share it with everybody. Yeah. And the point that you brought up about, you know, it's sounding cliche, but it being a woman writer so awesome. It's that you know the way that they're writing the script is accurate, right? Because it's like when an older guy is writing the voice of a woman, you're like, this isn't really how we talk, but when a woman's writing it, they get it. Totally.

You know, my girlfriends from One Tree Hill and I talk about that all the time. We're like, yeah, girls don't talk to each other the way we had to talk to each other on that show. And also don't behave the way we had to behave. on that show. Like, come on. That was like some gross older man's fantasy and it was icky. And we, you know, we fought like hell to have these badass moments for the girls we played and I'd like to think we had a few. But we talk about just what it feels like to be in an environment where you're so respected. And our show was not only fun for me and for Sky Marshall who plays my best friend. All of the guys working on our show were like, this is the best set we've ever been on.

And, you know, for me to be the number one on the call sheet and then our director to be a woman and our three executive producers to be a woman and our showrunner to be a woman, all the guys were like, this, this is great here. Can we stay here? Can we do more of this? And I was like, yeah, welcome to our team. It's pretty nice, right? It feels like when guys are like dying to know what a girl's bathroom was like, right? They picture it with like the couch and like pretty flowers and everything. I feel like that's also so cliche, but it's kind of like that. Also, you mentioned, you know, talking to your girlfriends from One Tree Hill. We've had Hillary Burton on our show before and we kind of touched on that with the, you know, I'm obsessed with her. I cried after the interview. I was

like, she was so amazing. Yeah, so amazing. And we kind of touched on that same thing that you brought up. But I did want to say that I feel like Brooke, as the seasons went on, was really empowering to look up to because she did kind of build her own empire. She really became her own woman. She didn't let anybody step on her. And I feel like watching that was really inspiring. Even though, you know, maybe the beginning seasons were like a little like, you know, Brooks in the back of the car, young naked or whatever. Oh, yeah. Again.

We had some fights about that. But yeah, you know, one of the things I really wear like a badge of honor is that my bosses were like, it's just so much easier to stop fighting with you about this. So we're just going to start steering this woman in a direction that will make you call us less about how it's inappropriate to behave this way. Like, okay. And it's funny because in the beginning, I couldn't relate to Brooke, but I had to love for. her and by the end I felt like I had a you know a sister or something there's there's so much about her that I loved and so much about her that I think actually helped me find myself she was bolder before I was um she never cared about her mistakes you know for me making a mistake is like oh my god it's

failure you know when when you grow up with like a weird complex of perfectionism the irony is that you're always failing because perfect is impossible, which is, again, the point of being a work in progress. And for me, there was something about looking back at this woman who was like, yeah, I made a mistake, who cares? What does that have to do with my worth? Where I was like, oh, wow, that's a revolutionary idea. So I cherish her.

And yeah, I'm really, it's funny because I feel defensive of her, in the way that if anyone comes for Hillary, I'm like, oh, you've made a grave mistake because now you have to deal with me. Like, I feel the same way about Brooke Davis. And then I'm like, she's not a real person. But like she's a real person to me. Yeah.

No, the show was such a phenomenon and still is because it reaches like a whole another generation now. It's streaming services and people fall in love with these characters all over again. Ria and I have watched Wondry Hill start to finish more times. and we like to admit to you. But it's very, it's interesting now looking back and seeing how you, the ladies on the show were portrayed like in the media in like 2004,

2005, 2006 and how much that has changed. But also I can't help but think like how crazy it would have been for you guys too if social media was around then. Like how do you think you guys would have handled social media at that age, would it just, or would it have been a disaster? I am so glad that we didn't have to deal with that sense. I worry so much about kids.

And look, we were in our early 20s playing high school kids, but we didn't know anything. We were babies. Yeah. I mean, I was actually, I was on FaceTime with Hillary and Joy yesterday. And we were just talking about some of the things that are so crazy because, you know, we talk about our lives and we giggle and we talk shit. And then inevitably, we always have some aha moment about before. We were, we were just all sort of sharing these thoughts we'd had.

And I was like, you guys, it hit me the other day that when we started our show, I was only three years out of having grown up in an all-girls school where I wore a uniform. Yeah. Like, what? I knew nothing about dynamics, let alone how. high school dynamics between boys and girls, let alone being a cheerleader. Like, I didn't have any of that.

Yeah. And Joy just about fell out of her chair. She was like, oh, my God. Like, it makes it even crazier that you were the one who had to play Brooke Davis because, like, literally you had no idea what was happening. And we were just kind of cackling about it because we felt like little kids. And when we look back now, we realize how young we were and how naive we were and how unfortunately we didn't get to grow up on a set where people wanted to answer our questions

or help us navigate any of the madness of the early aughts. And it was madness and it was actually like kind of scary and intimidating and confusing. And, you know, you would just be like thrown onto some carpet. And everyone was like smile. And you're like, oh, my God, I can't. I'm smiling. And it looks cool. But on the inside, I'm dying.

Yeah. I'm so scared. And I think about how intense it felt. And we didn't have to deal with Instagram or Twitter. We didn't have to deal with, you know, troll farms and online haters and all of these things that are so hard to handle. And I just think about, yeah, like, what is that? And I just think about how hard it was at 21 to feel like a grown up. And we didn't have to deal with that.

So now I think about actual 16-year-olds being kids. kids who are having to exist in this whole other two-dimensional online world. And it looks really real. So I guess I'm very grateful. I'm also a little sad for the young people that don't have the experience of growing up free of that and that pressure and that toxicity. And I think the one thing I would offer is like, please don't compare your insides to someone else's outsides.

Instagram, all of that stuff. It's just a highlight reel. And it isn't, it's not a real world. And I think we should absolutely gas people up, our friends and strangers, and celebrate their wins and be excited for them. And I think it's an incredible tool to share news and what's happening, you know, especially with movements and with how people are treated, you know, whether it's Black Lives Matter or Me Too. Social media has enabled these conversations. But I know. it can also make people feel really small. And there's enough in our lives that makes us feel that way already. So I hope we can offer ourselves a little bit of space to not lean on that so much. I'm so glad we didn't have to. My God. I know. I mean, definitely the point of it being a highlight reel, it's like,

even myself, I'll like post a selfie and then realize an hour earlier I was just crying hysterically. But then people see that selfie and they're like, oh, she's so happy and great. And it's like, meanwhile, I was bawling my eyes out an hour earlier, and you didn't see any of that. So it's really just a highlight real, and I really hope everybody gets that now, even though, like you said, the people growing up in it, it must be so hard. And I also would imagine you mentioned you guys were in your early 20s when you were doing the show, but you were playing high school students. So you must have gotten treated like high school students on set.

Yeah, that's really interesting. It was weird because in some ways we were treated. like adults, we were really, you know, looking back on it, we can see the ways in which we were fetishized and, you know, we had this sort of lens of adultification put over us, this idea that we were supposed to know everything and have answers and be ultimately professional when we didn't even know what the technical terms were. It was like, get on your mark and you're like, what are you talking about? What is a mark?

What do you mean pulling focus? Like, what is that? Yeah. So we were expected to be these adults. adults. And yet we were also looked at kind of as pawns and we were, we had grownups who we trusted, who now we understand we're being really controlling and manipulative, who, who didn't want us to be close because they thought we would like band together and ask for more money. And it's like, what? It's just so weird. And those were not things we were aware of at the time.

And there was, you know, there's the flip side. There was no social media where people were talking about this stuff and giving people advice and talking about figuring out if you were being paid equitably and all these things. We didn't have any of that. We were just in the dark. And then everyone was like, well, you know how to do this. And we all were like, yep, uh-huh, yeah, we totally, yep. We know.

We're professionals. Yeah. Look at us. And on the inside, we were terrified. Yeah. So it's, it's such a crazy thing to look back on like so much joy and so much confusion all existing at the same time. And I think that's why when I can fast forward into this position today, you know, having gone and spent the last couple of years making films and

making television that I really care about and feel passionately about and making sure that my sets, you know, as a number one, as a producer, as a coworker who shows up for my friends who are number ones who are producing badass shit, like false post. I want my sets to be really, yes, professional. Like we're not here to tolerate a bunch of dilly-dallying or bullshit, but we're also supposed to be really fun and expansive. I want sets that I work on to be places where people can ask any question and get it answered, where we can hold ourselves to a degree of excellence as a challenge, not as a threat.

Yeah. And yeah, where it can just be fun. Like, my God, we were in quarantine in Toronto shooting Good Sam, and we had so much fun. Yeah. It was like weird and it was scary and it was a blast. And I'm just so proud of us because we created something really special. And the night we wrapped, of course, I was like sobbing like a baby. And I look up and like, you know, guys on my crew are in tears and everyone's hugging each other.

And everyone is talking about what a great experience this has been. And that's the energy I want it to be because I know what it feels like when it isn't. Yeah, it must be such a relief to be able to build that environment and to know that now you're kind of in the driver's seat. Like you can make these decisions and these calls. And we're so excited to watch Good Sam. It's going to be on CBS. And falls positive, like you mentioned. We'll be able to watch on Hulu, I believe, like in June, I think, right?

Yeah, June 25th, it comes out. Yeah, and that cast is fantastic. Just like, I was looking, I was like, after every name, I was like, whoa, Lana Glazer, Justin Thoreau, Pierce Bronson. I was like, damn, this is awesome. So that seems really, really exciting. And we're so thankful that you came to speak with us. I know we kind of have to wrap up now. We could have talked to you forever.

I know, I think we could have talked to you for a whole other hour. I know, I know. But this was, this was so, so nice. And we're so excited to watch these projects and see them and talk about them and continue to listen to work in progress. And we're so thankful that you came on our show. Thank you guys so much. This has been such a ball.

You honestly have left me just feeling so happy. So I get to carry on the day with a smile on my face. Thank you. Us too. Us too. And we hope that you come back on the show soon because I feel like we can keep talking. Yeah, definitely. Yes, anytime.

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