Chicks in the Office - Tell Me Lies Finale, RHOBH Reunion Pt. 3 + Heather Gay Interview

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

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Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. This is state of emergency. What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rianne Frang, giving you that Friday energy on a Friday. The weekend is here. Halloween is on Monday.

Hopefully everyone had an amazing week. Lots to talk about today. How is everyone feeling today on this lovely afternoon? afternoon. I'm looking forward to the weekend. Everybody's working for the weekend. Now, isn't that just a model of life? It sure is, bib. It just says that you think about it. Everyone is always just working to get to the weekend. It's Halloween weekends. New York always gets a little crazy. I am so upset that I am not going to be around Halloween. We're not participating. I'm really upset. We're a bunch of Halloween weenies. Grace is having a birthday party. Grace Home Allie. Yeah. Grace is having a birthday party.

Yeah. Grace Home Allie. Yeah. Halloween. themed and I am so upset that I can't go like I really am so upset I was so I just it's crushing me it really is I I will be going to a wedding in Nashville that will be very fun but I'm upset that I won't be dressing up with my pals I really am I know I'll be I have a wedding too I don't have to travel for this wedding though so that's nice but that is nice but wedding's wedding duties yeah Brooklyn lovely yeah that is lovely yep uh no are you doing anything for Halloween uh I don't know I was uh invited to a Halloween party on Friday, but...

What kind of costumes have you done before? Well, I was like... The iPod? Yeah, the iPod. I was like a pharaoh for like so many years because I just had this pharaoh thing and I would just always do it. What else was I? I don't know. I don't think I did like...

Since you've been like living in New York, have you had any costumes? You haven't dressed up once? I think the last time I did was my freshman year in college. It was Halloween. We were going to some bar and I just like put on an NBA jersey. Like the... So if you were to get invited to a Halloween party this year, you're not going to dress up. Well, I don't, like, I want to. I don't mind guys not dressing up for Halloween.

But I'm just like, I want to go, but I don't really want to dress up. But I also don't want to go not dressed up and be the only person not sure. If you're the only one, you just look like an asshole. You do. I agree. Yeah. But you're the only one, but if there are, if there are multiple people not dressing up. Like, what could I be? That's easy that I might have. But it's just like if somebody, I've been on the other side of that where I've, like, hosted a Halloween. gathering and you tell people to dress up and you like set it all up and you all this stuff and then when if people like show up not dressed up it's like well come on like really that's the thing like I just plan this whole party it's a it's a it's a costume party like the least you do is dress up it's like clearly they want you to and it's like I'm not going to bank on the fact

that other people aren't going to so I kind of have to just throw on some cat ears I guess I was trying to think of like what that's funny what's something funny I could do that I already have if you just throw on cat ears though it's like look I'm a cat My mouse, stuff. You already have. Like, like, already have in my apartment. I bet listeners could probably come up with some good ideas for you for Halloween. Why don't you just go as your own hair?

I have to get a guitar. I have to get a guitar then. Get a blow-up guitar. Yeah. I have, like, one of those Irish scally hats things. Uh-huh. But it's like, I don't know what I would be with that. Peaky blinders.

Oh, yeah, maybe. Maybe it's too much work. I don't like, I also don't like the whole, like, having to expose. I was in, when I lived in L.A., me and my friends were all, like, different music people for one party we went to. I was James Taylor, and I did wear that hat to be James Taylor. Yeah, I mean, this is a thing, though, when you want, like, if you want to go with something where it's like clothes that you already have and you put it together, you can come up with something really good, but the odds of having to explain who you are are very high. That's the thing. Because it's like, sometimes it's like a niche thing or it's like you're just dressed in normal clothes. Like, yeah, you look. like James Taylor, but like James Taylor doesn't have like a distinct feature. Yeah. No, actually, I was joking like one of my friends here, Jake.

He has like a distinct way he dresses. I was going to go as him. And like he's probably going to be at the party. See, it's funny. It's funny if you like go up as each other. But I still would have to explain to people. My friends did that one year was very funny. Yeah. Everyone like the three roommates dressed up as each other.

Yeah. Like they went like all out. And that way I don't have to get... Like they went all out for the way each other dresses. And that was very funny. That was like, that was cute. But no, I give you you were saying like I...

We were trying to come up with ideas for my friend to wear this weekend who is having a Halloween party. And we were sending her a ton. She was like, she just straightened her hair. It's like really long. So we were trying to, we were like, share like throwing out like... And then I sent the picture of the Duleepa. I think it was the Grammys where she wore that butterfell. thing. I was like, oh, you could probably, like, they make those butterfly, like,

tops. You can do it with, like, a skirt. Just like, yeah, that'd be cool, but I don't think, and nobody would be like, oh my God, do a leapah. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah, fair. Fair. So that's where, like, sometimes you just got to, like, just, there's nine million Spirit Halloween's in this, in this city. I just like, one opened up right next to my, right next to my apartment. If I could, like, order something. If there's any vacant, if there's any vacant built, like, room. Just walk into one. Remember when we went Yes

Because I like When I was doing the Halloween trivia That crossed my mind And I went and saw my hard drive I have it here When we went to The Halloween show I tried to make a Halloween video

And it was just And we never put it out It was not good It was awful But it's so weird I was watching some of those clips Those are probably Good to put out now

To like see you guys How different Yeah That's terrifying I almost don't want to see that Keep that in the vault Yeah Keep that

the vaults um you know it is really exciting today that i didn't put in the topics but i just remembered riana music yeah riana is finally it's out yeah new song for black panther very excited been like six years i know also drake pushed his album back come on i know because his producer got covid i'm upset about that wait what i i thought that the album is done it's to be done right it's not like while he was mixing it like he still has to mix I feel like that's That can't Also

You're telling me people Are mixing your album Three days before it comes out I believe that But like Also I'm sure But I'm also like Maybe I'm wrong

I don't bring it home Or like Right He's like you got a computer Like Yeah you can work from home I edit at home Yeah

Yeah I don't know I was disappointed though Did they Is there a date? Oh we just push it back another week Right I like getting ready With that kind of music

And so I'm a little upset by it But I'll look forward to it next week Yeah Fair How are you? I'm great. Well, that'll be good.

The sun was out this morning. We'll be there with that album comes out. No. Yes. Guys, you know what I... Wow. You know what I... We should stay up and have a listening party.

You know what happened again, which was not on purpose, obviously, and it's my own fault for not checking? Because it's like Thursday night. I'm like, I'm not thinking. The Eagles play Thursday night. In Boston. Boston. It happened in Philly show. It happened in Philly, which was a good coincidence.

This time I was like, ah, fuck. they have a Thursday night game it's okay um the Texans you'll make the end half yeah no I'll definitely I'll just be the I'll be I'll be I'll be the person Kelly Kieg's ranted about in her video that went viral of that's watching games on their phone

at dinner at dinner at dinner I feel like at the Philly show Fran was like trying to get the show day she was trying to wrap it up so we could watch it in I was because we lost the crowd the game once the game started the crowd was like paying and was trying to see what the game was going on too I don't think we lost the crowd the crowd the crowd was very into the show. They were screaming their heads

off. The crowd was rowdy, but I felt like once the game started, people were like trying to do both. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. Also, their audio didn't work that show. Fran's going to go to the bathroom just to check the scores. And I'll have another dance party. I always have my phone next to me though. Yeah,

you're going to check the scores. We know that. But also, the game like doesn't... What if we put the game on the TV that we have on the stage? The game won't really start to like eight... No, that's ridiculous. No, that's ridiculous. That would be insane. The game doesn't really start to like 830. We start at 7.30. It'll be fine.

You'll catch most of the game. Yeah, exactly. It won't be that big of it. Very exciting. One week away. Don't forget your signs. If you're coming to the show, not too much glitter though.

Wow, it is one week away. That's crazy. And it's one week away. And we are super excited. Yeah. Time of the signs. Yes. Because I don't know.

Oh, wait. I screenshoted who it was. I didn't really. Oh, the crazy thing is there were two people. Oh, two people came up from the idea. The same idea. Separately. Although I know that the one that I hearted was the one I saw.

While you look for this, I just want to say that I kind of was a little weirded out by Harry Salas' new music video. Love him. Love him to death. Didn't. It was a little. It was a little too lifelike his mermaid's squid type combo thing was a little frightening. Wait, so. So I have Brianna or Brianna Cassidy. Okay.

And then she wrote, hi, it's me. I'm the one who came up with Time of the Signs. and I guess you have another person that has the same. Oh wait. You have Brianna Cassidy? Yes. I forgive you, forget. Okay.

She DM me. Yeah. Okay. So it is one girl. No, no, there's two. There's two. Brianna Cassidy. Let me go to Chixenov because then there was another person who I said, oh, don't, we'll shout you out.

Damn it. It's okay. I'll fill the, I'll fill the space. Skyler Messinger said on October 10th, if you do. this, which, what was a date of the screenshot that the other girl sent? This is that, Skyler is the one that I saw just to, okay, give that. But she said, if you do the signs idea, Ria brought up in Friday's episode, you could use a play on words for the hairy song, Sign of the Times.

What, what date was that? That was October 10th. Brianna has her beat, October 7th. Oh. But I will say that I know that I saw Sky. I didn't see Brianna's. But two people have, same idea. Same idea.

Same idea. It's a good idea. Great minds think alike. and they will get equal credit. So thank you to both of you. We are so excited for that. It's going to be super exciting. And we have a big week coming up.

Busy week. Call back to the last episode where you were talking about the KFC Bowl and KFC reached out. And I just missed that they messaged us three hours ago. One of our team members, Harlan, will be arriving shortly

with something famous. So I don't know if we missed it. That's unfortunate. Neither. We have been in this room for three hours. I wonder what they say. said if they brought it up here. No, but if they were just like dropping out food,

it would have been like any other food delivery. So should one of us go out there and see if it's out there? Go out there and look. Because I really want to try that. We could do a live tasting. Yeah. Although it's probably cold. I actually have multiple, I have a couple things to bring up while she's not here

because they're about books. So maybe I'll just say them right now. Okay. Okay, great. So I posted, if any of you guys have read it, ends with us. You know, popped off Colleen Hoover. popped off for book talk everybody read it during the pandemic massive massive book she wrote a sequel called it starts with us um i read it on friday night last week within like five hours like i picked

it up and did not put it down until like right before the philly's game started i had to leave read the whole thing loved it i think if you guys are a fan of the main characters and their story it was like a perfect way i love when an author like an author was like she wrote the first one years ago, she said, I didn't really envision a sequel, but fans loved it so much and they messaged her so much saying, we want the sequel, we want the sequel, that they, she wrote the perfect sequel. And it was great. And I recommend if you read the first one. Here it comes. Do you have a huge problem? That was my, I talked about books while you were gone. I have a huge problem with KFC. Oh no. Uh-oh. They wrote to Fran Ria and Noah, but mostly to

Fran. How about remembering the fact that Fran didn't even fucking like the idea of of your famous bowl. Well, no, they're saying that because they want to win her over. Right, but maybe like a thank you, Ria, for talking, not mostly to Fran. I haven't even had it. Shuttered at the idea of the bowl. Wow. Wow.

But thank you, Kentucky Fried Chicken. They're still kind of warm, though. Okay, okay. I'm actually very excited because I'm kind of hungry. What are you going to get? Did you order lunch? Oh, that's too much gravy, in my opinion. That's a lot of gravy.

That looks soupy That wasn't what mine looked like Noah There's a bunch of them Wow there are a lot of them Yeah I don't know who want one looks like a little less Supy Yeah

Doing a live taste test I think so Gotta give it a little mix Yeah Yeah I just been back and like hey can you bring a couple drinks too Come back Now should I take one bite of everything

Yeah Like a bite with the potato and the chicken? I think so. Okay. Oh, yeah. I don't want to chew directly into. Oh, my gosh. Spicy.

Why is it so spicy? I don't know. Oh. Mine wasn't spicy the one that I had. Wow. That's good. You know what? I got a hot bite.

That's just not what I was expecting. That is very good. That's very good. That's very tasty. That's very tasty. Wow. I will say. I mean, that makes sense.

Oh, boy, that was just the kick of the chicken I was, was unexpected. Do they make spicy chicken ones? I'll say that. Honestly, mine's not spicy at all. So maybe we got a spicy chicken one. I kind of like, I would almost want, prefer the spicy one. You want to switch for a second? I'm going to see if, I'm going to try this one.

Wait, yours is spicy? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because that one looks like it would be spicy. That one looks spicy too. Oh, yeah. They're different chicken. Oh.

There we go. Give me a normal chicken. I'm a spicy guy. Yeah, that's good. That is really good. I told you. Oh, wait, so you don't like, you don't like the spicy. Nobody likes to hear people chewing on air, so I'm going to...

Okay, I'm only taking one bite. I'm not going to keep eating into the microphone. Wow, that one is... That one's way more up my alley. Not the spicy chicken. That is D. That is D. That is D.lish.

This is dangerous now, because I'm not. feel like you're going to start ordering it. That's a good. Those mashed potatoes are good. Wow. You guys keep going. I haven't eaten today. Yeah, damn.

Those are good. Keep talking about your books. Oh, I will. What was they saying? Oh, I highly recommend. The book is really good. And it went as expected. It's not like a shocking book.

You're not going to read it and be like, oh, my God, it's so crazy if this happened. It was like a perfect little bow on those main character stories. I also am very excited for it. Prince Harry's book, which is just titled Spare, which I find to be very powerful. Powerful title, very zoomed-in view of his face. That's all I got for books.

No, keep going. Keep going. What else did I read this summer? I read a lot of books this summer and did not post about any of them, which is totally my fault. I just actually finished Tom Felton's book, which I now probably feel comfortable

enough to say that Tom Felton was supposed to come on this show and it did not happen. It was a locked interview until the night before and I may or may not have shed a tear. I wasn't able to bring it up on the show because I was that upset about it and it was, you know, a week plus ago. So, you know, I've calmed down and I did read the whole, I did read his whole book and I recommend it's a good, it's a good Harry Potter memoir. It's a lot of behind the scenes. He went through some stuff after Harry Potter that I did not know he went through. Pretty crazy story about him, like, leaving a Malibu rehab center and, like, hitchhiking into West Hollywood. Pretty crazy story. Avada cadaverra. Drakeo. Did you just look up the killing curse for Draco?

No, I mean, hey, I don't blame Tom, Tommy Boy himself. It's always in teams, you know? It's just, yeah, unfortunately, that did not happen. And I was so fucking excited. You were. I was, I say most excited I've ever seen Fran about a guest. She was. And the sad part is,

on her, be real, she even posted, like, interview prep, and it was like, I was reading the book. I was, really disheartening.

I didn't let myself get excited until I said to Noah, like, let me know when this, wow, is going in for number two. I'm hungry. Oh, my God.

I mean, I was about to open up this second one, too. Um. Don't tell Trent. What was I? How many of their left?

There's like, one of one. too long. There was, you gotta be careful with all your eating by your microphone. I'm not eating. I'll meet my microphone. Don't worry. Okay. Oh, I was very upset. That's all. I was very excited. Oh, I said that I didn't let myself get excited until I had said to Noah, like, when is this going to be locked in our calendar? I want to see it in the calendar before I get excited. And then that happened, and then I got excited. and the night before. A lot of time still like say,

oh, we're going to have this guess like it's all good, but it's not fully locked. This one was fully locked. This was locked. And then it was locked until it wasn't. So now I've learned my lesson and I'm just not going to get excited for any guests until they're right in front of my face.

But even then, Leah and Michelle can't have right in front of your face. Yeah, well, I wasn't that excited. You still never know. I'm going for one last bite and then let's get into the topics. Okay. Wow. This is good. They're, that was a very good.

I think this is different than the one I just did. I want more bites of that after we finish recording. I'm not going to lie. Keep this one on the side for you. Anyway, that's my other memoir recommendation. Tom Felton's book was very good. And I'm, what am I reading? I just started lessons in chemistry.

That is what I'm currently reading. That's what's on my nightstands. That's beautiful. I'm assuming chemistry as in like love, not science. No, it's, it's also science. A little bit of both. Yeah. Double entendre.

Yeah. You were hesitant. Well, I didn't remember exactly how to say it. Be confident in yourself. All right. Let's get into today's topics. We're going to be talking about the Tell Me Lies finale. I'm up to date.

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And wow. What the fuck? I was screaming at the end of this episode. The last 20 minutes, my jaw was on the ground. I was not expecting an unexpected turn. I was not expecting any of this to happen. No. Once again, spoiler alert, if you have not finished the entire first season,

do not listen to this segment. Do not listen. Do not listen to this segment if you haven't. finished. That's, you know, I've learned my lesson one too many times. But holy shit. Okay. I knew Stephen was going to be the one driving. I felt like that was obvious. Stephen was the one driving car. It was kind of discussed. He was in the car, whether he was driving, not driving. He was there. That was known. What really threw me for a loop was I didn't know this motherfucker Stephen couldn't get any worse. And yet he did. He got even worse. He went even lower than ever imaginable.

going to that party, being in that room with Diana, and walking out holding her hands while Lucy is standing at the end of the staircase. His girlfriend. His girlfriend. He literally... That he says they love each other. He walked out of the room with his ex-girlfriend hand in hand in front of his new girlfriend. Also, and didn't speak to her.

An incredible risk considering she knows the whole story of what happened. And they had that fight where it was like, oh, are you threatening me? like blah blah blah like it's like they know each other's secrets so like how could they ever break up now because like if he was to scorn her she could make his like she could basically rat him out i mean she would also be riding herself out too so i guess they're kind of stuck in this together now but he took that risk wait just to confirm she didn't know that he was driving right she knew he was in the car she knew he was in a car but didn't know he was driving which is very different but regardless he was he ran away from the scene so he knew he was he was It's still. And also that was what I said to Syria, that was one of the things that I was like a little further investigation probably. You know, that that's like a teen show at its best, a teen drama show at its best or whatever you want to call this.

Like, not teens and it's very sexual. It's adult content. But he just like moved her over. And if there was any police investigation, it was just like, oh, no, yeah. No, she was driving clearly because that's the seat we found her in. There's a smash in the windshield on the passenger side. Right. Also, no lick of blood on either of them.

Yeah. It's like. They couldn't throw any fake blood on either of them. If I, they made it seem like she, like that, this is what I found kind of silly. Because it made it seem like she gets in the car and she was like, I, the seatbelt wasn't working on her side. So she couldn't put her seatbelt on. In that case, her head would have smashed into the windshield, which I think it did or it looked like it did. Yeah.

So then they just move her over. So what do they look at the car? like, oh, that head smash mark, maybe that was like a tree or like, you know, it's, it's crazy to that they weren't like, huh, wonder where this head smash on the passenger side of the windshield came from. Wasn't much an investigation on their part, but Stephen continued to be the worst human being ever, but Lucy is also a piece of shit, but Stephen is worse. Fingerprints all over the car.

Stephen is just an awful, awful human being, but Lucy is also bad. No, yeah, bad. Nothing she has done is, is, is. better. I mean, it's not worse because the things Stephen has done are worse, but she's not a good person. I was stunned. First of all, the shocking events of

Stephen walking down the stairs with Diana, Lucy's standing there. Okay. What? What? I was screaming. I was like, what the fuck is happening? He's not going to say anything. There's going to be no, she's not going to say anything. She's not going to go, what the fuck? She's just sitting there in silence. She's crying. Then her getting fucked up with

Evan and them waking up a butt-ass naked next to each other, What? I knew that when they cut to the camera of her laying in bed and she like wakes up and she looks concerned. I was like in my head. I was like, oh God,

Evan's next to her. No, I said no, no, no. Because she also, you can tell she wasn't wearing a shirt. I said, no. Evan's next to her. Full booty shot from Evan.

And I just couldn't believe my eyes because Bree is the best character on the show because that was Lucy's best friend. Evan and Bree were really hitting it off. I mean, they do. They get married. So whatever. And then to cap it all off.

I thought the worst has been done. At that point I was like, wow, what a finale. Really a lot of tuition turns. Stephen is engaged to Lucy's best friend from home. Where did they meet? Did they meet at a summer internship? How did they get to know each other? How did the best friend get on with this?

My theory is that Stephen found out, the friend group must have found out about Lucy and Evan at some point. Because Lucy makes a comment to Brie, you know, I'm happy for you, right? To me that means she knows. And then Stephen, I think, must know. And he makes it his lifelong mission to get back at Lucy by dating and marrying her best friend because she hooked up with his best friend. That's a good theory considering the way he reacted when hearing Diana had hooked up with Wrigley. Right.

And he, I mean, he couldn't, he could not get past the fact that Diana and Wrigley hooked up years before they were dating. So I think that because the look that he gives Lucy at the. end when he's just staring at her with that evil fucking face. He's like smiling. And he's like so happy. He looks even creepier with his new hair. So happy to see you. No, but he's like smiling, staring creepy.

Like yep, I'm going to fucking ruin your life because I'm going to marry your best friend knowing what you did. Former best friend. Former best friend. See, I missed that part. I didn't realize who that was. The friend. You didn't pick up that that was Lydia? But I, Lydia, like, I just, I don't know.

After the phone call, she's like, oh, where are you going to be this summer? And Lydia is like, and you know, it is, it was a good full circle moment there too of Lydia on the phone talking about the ex that was like a toxic guy for her. And she was like, I'm just, I'm so glad I got rid of him like blah blah. And now she's with the most toxic of them all. The worst guy on the planet. He's an awful human human. I said it's also insane to me that clearly a lot of shit happens between 2008, which is the end of her, their freshman year to 2015 when this, in. engagement party is happening.

And the fact that somehow in 2015, they're all still, like, at the same, at the same gathering blows my mind. How are they all friends still? They're the worst friend group of all. Terrible friend group. They are awful to each other. They are all pieces of shit. All of them besides Bree.

Evan's a piece of shit, too. Yeah. So now they're just at their wedding and it's like, oh, but she doesn't know. Well, look, at the end of the eight years later, so I think that they know. I think that the whole friend group knows what happened. Yeah, seven years later, so maybe like 2009, 2010. then they found out about what happened. I would assume enough time passed.

Or maybe they just don't ever know. I think that they were like, let's never speak of this again. Well, I feel like, if you had to go along with the theme of the show, tell me, you know. Tell me lies. They may just lie about it forever. The way that Lucy said, you know, I'm happy for you, right.

That seems to suspect. That was a little suspicious. Yeah. It was the way she said it. Like she was like, you know, I'm happy for you, right? And Brie's like, yeah. But, and Bree, you. gave her a hesitant yes it was something like she knows and also why would stephen date her

and get engaged to her best fucking friend yeah unless he had something that he because he would have just stayed with diana we also clearly i mean i know i was kind of when we were talking about this i was like adamant about a second season i was like i think they'll wrap it up season one limited series one book no they're going to make a second season they they know how much more of this show i can take they ventured so far off from the book that like it's an entirely different shit like it's entirely different story Like this is loosely based. Like the characters

have the same names and like there's the same loose concept but so many things shifted and changed and there's so many more characters and people are more important that like I mean hello Drew he's dead. What happened?

Yeah he clearly died because they said oh Drew's birth you know Why don't you give him a break? He's like why don't you give him a break? It was Drew's birthday yesterday. Why don't you give him a break Lucy? It was Drew's birthday yesterday. Well I don't know because Regley's causing a ruckus

and smashing dessert tables. Well that's what I'm saying like he's He, you know, we're seven years later, he's still coked up. Right. Drew's dead, apparently, it seems. Weirdly enough, Wrigley turned out to be like, besides the drug problem, the most stand-up out of the guys. Do you think Drew, is Drew dead?

I think Drew's dead because he said, give him a break. It was his brother's birthday yesterday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to remember. I think Drew's dead. I'm trying to think if they hinted to anything else. Or if, yeah. Yeah, so clearly, like, you need a second season to explain what the hell

happen there. Maybe there's just no explanation. I know but you just like what we're just supposed to guess that. Right. I don't know. But all I know is, you also can't leave us with the whole Lydia thing and not expect there to be a, give me the answer of how Stephen and Lydia got together. I think summer internship. Yeah, there's got to be something. I think they got together over the summer. But he was going to do the internship with Diana's. But no, that's what I'm saying. You got to, there's so many, there's years. I mean, we're missing years of life here. So it's like they could have keep proposed to her. They can have So many other stories. There could be so many other seasons now

of like what happened while they were still in college, post college. I loved like after he walked out. How did you get back together with Max? Evan came over to her and was like, I don't even think he could be that bad. Right. And he's like, I'm even shocked by this.

And then Evan does. I knew something was fishy when she was like, just get drunk with me. I know. I was like, no. I know. Evan had the crush on her first. Right, right.

No, don't get drunk together. What are you doing? I know. To their bet And he was just talking about how he missed Bree earlier. Listen,

nobody goes lower than Stephen. Nobody goes lower than that fucking guy, Stephen. Because even if, it's a show

about bad people. Right. Even if Stephen was mad that Lucy hooked up with Evan, Stephen still walked out of that

party with Diana while he has a girl, like, fucking Arizona from Gray's Anatomy might be the best character on the show

and she cheated on her dying husband. No, no, the best, the best character. Miss Bree. The best character on the show is Brie.

No, no, it is such a sweetheart. It is Brie. It is Brie's number two bad. It's Stephen Lucie and then a drop off. Right. I mean, the thing is like Pippa isn't even that bad. No, but this is the thing. This is the whole premise of the show, the whole premise of the story.

And they're all liars. They're all lying liars who lie. Fully criminals who, if he ever got caught, would be in jail for the rest of his life. Yeah, don't do anything to bring in the next season. Please make her the only redeeming character. Listen, they're all tainted. don't taint the one character that we like. Yeah.

We need to have one likable character. There has to be one likable character. There has to be one. Who actually has a moral compass. Because these guys are crazy. They're the worst friend group of all time. It is. Lucy.

If you remove Stephen out of that friend group, do you think it's like way better? None of that happens. So like, do you think he's just very toxic? You take him out and then they're all good people? Yes. So it's like he's a cancer. Everybody connects to Stephen.

Yes. If Stephen, he's such a bad guy. If Stephen didn't do everything that he did, if he didn't treat Lucy that way, if there wasn't all that confusion, if Lucy didn't fall in love with him and have to defend him for all his antics,

none of that would have happened. If Steven's just was one to get killed in the car crash, none of that would have happened. Oh my God. I mean. Yeah, that's true. He should have. Then there wouldn't have been any show.

Yeah. All I'm saying is he is... That's something you can't really process because then there's literally no plot to the show. He's just such a bad, bad guy. But then you, then you get fooled. Then you get fooled. Then he's so charming to Lucy.

How did he get home after that car accident? He walked like on the highway, like. I don't think that they were that, realistically, they weren't that far away from campus. Yeah, so like that's a, not a crazy walk. What are the odds that that's Drew who cuts him off? It was all Steven's fault. None of it was Drew's fault. But also, no, I'm not, I'm not going to say.

Poor Macy. Yeah, Macy, Macy deserved better. But that's just like, never get in the car with someone. I know, and Macy and Macy in the car was right before it happened. She was just, she had her moment of like, she's like, I think you're just a bad guy. Yeah.

And he's like, I'll show you how bad. You know what he's also crazy too? It's like if Macy, if Macy, if that didn't happen, Macy would have been able to go back to her friends and maybe told them what have happened. Well, Lucy and, and Stephen would have never happened. She tried to tell Lucy that she was with, Stephen in the cafeteria.

She said, I, I want to, like, I haven't told anybody this. And then Lucy got a call from Stephen. Yeah. And so Macy was never able to tell her that she had been talking to Stephen. And that he was just lying, lying, lying liar. A lying liar. A lying sack of shit. Just nothing but lies out of that guy's mouth.

I know. God. He's got such a good. Print the shirts. Prent the shirt. He's got such a lying liar name. I just couldn't. Stephen DeMarco.

It is a hot guy name. Is it? Yeah, it is. I think Stephen DeMarco is. Yeah. Wait, how's he still about Steven with a P or V? I think it's a P.H. I just couldn't believe the last 20 minutes of this episode.

Like, everything was getting worse. But it was a good finale. The way I know what you said with a P or a V, maybe. Oh. Fran, get your head out of the gutter. Anyways, they're all horrible, but I... They pulled me in. They pulled me in for another season.

I will watch the second season all because of this fucking crazy finale. This is exactly what I thought. When you were saying, you know, These episodes are kind of getting to suck. I'm like, just wait. I feel like they're going to hit us with the finale. That's going to be like, they got me. No, you said that we were going to hate the ending.

No, because I thought, I didn't know where they were going to take it. I thought, like, the way the book, I don't want to, like, if people still want to read the book, but if the way the book ended, I just thought that this finale was just going to be, like, kind of anticlimactic because it's like, it would have been about the car crash and, like, some other stuff and like the mom, but it wouldn't have been with all the other relationship shit. And so that was like, whoa.

Right. Just one crazy thing after the next, but there you have it. They added all that in for extra dramatic effect. I think I have to give it a rewatch. I don't think I was fully paying attention. Sounds like it. You didn't even realize Lydia was Lydia. You got to watch a finale again.

I'm going to be honest, I didn't see the part at all where they woke up in bed together. What? So you just. Okay, so when you told us you were like, ah, that finale sucked, you weren't even really watching. He texted me and said, tell me lies finale was stupid. So you weren't paying any attention. Well, I was just like, it was so, because I saw, I think I, like, was doing something for that one part.

And then when I looked back, it was just him, like, at the party. And I didn't know who that girl was. So I'm just like, so all this for just, he just, like, says hi to her. No, no. You got to watch it back. It was actually insane. Although I did watch the patient finale, and I would just like to say, that one I can say for sure, it was terrible. I've been told by multiple people

It's so awful that I actually am not even going to go watch it I also told you to tell me what happens Yeah I got if I'm gonna have to finish it The patient because I've heard mixed I've heard people say it was fantastic Have you guys ever heard of the show Gypsy on Netflix? No

It's Naomi Watson Billy Crutt up I watched it one season pretty good No Never heard of it I've been locked into Love is Blind Season 3 Oh really? Yeah one of the bookers just asked me

If you guys were watching it It's good. Yeah, no, we're both watching. Oh, you are? Do you want people? It's good. We're both locked in. It's a good season.

It's already better than the last season. We'll have to talk about it when it's all out. I like to see. I'm already, yeah, I've caught up on all the episodes. Right. I need to catch up on some, which I will be doing later. Well, you got plenty of time because now the next batch don't come out until November 2nd. Yeah.

I'm going to catch up tonight. There's a good batch. But this is a good group. I'm very. I'm intrigued by that. I'm like, I'm way locked and way more locked in this season than I was season two. Me, me as well. Okay, that's it.

That's it. Part three of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills reunion finally came and it went and I was underwhelmed. I was expecting way more of an explosion. I think they put everything in the trailer. They did. A lot of it was teased and there wasn't really any more

when you watch. But we got some answers, I guess, about this blow-up fight that we'll never see on camera. But we spin games. They were in Aspen. They were at a club. Kathy Hilton requested songs to a DJ, and the DJ told her to go back to L.A. or stay in L.A. He didn't want to play the songs.

The guy at the Caribou Club, the big-timed her. Right. And so then they claim that Kathy Hilton called the guy some names. Erica claims there was a slurry use. Yes. And then they were like, we got to get. And there was an investigation, apparently. There was an investigation, but they said,

Bravo. Nonconclusive. She said, she said yes and after that apparently kathy helton walked over to kyle richards in a yeah fit of rage we got to get out of here and Kyle doesn't like the way that her sister speaks her sometimes and then lisa renna said you know we got to get kathy out of here i'm going to take her home and in this car ride home apparently kathy hilton had a meltdown and brought it into the house and screamed her head off and said she was going to take down NBC and bravo and she's going to take down her sister

family and the way that Lisa Rina The other ladies on the show or just nothing. Right. The way that, okay, the way that Lisa Rina described what happened doesn't live up to the crime to me. Like how Andy said to her, you've seen a lot of things and that's what you were. You mean the like punishment? Like the way that they're treating her now? Yes, yeah. Yes.

Yes. Sorry. The crime. The punishment doesn't match the punishment. The crime doesn't match a punishment. The punishment doesn't match a crime. Either way. Yep. Crime punishment, don't match. It's more just like Lisa Rina acting like that was the most insane thing

she's ever seen. Now, we didn't see it, so I don't know. Yeah. But Andy Coleman was like, you've seen a lot of stuff, which they have. Yeah.

No, Andy made a very good point. He's like, he's looking at Lisa. He's like, of all the things on this show that have been said and done, this is the craziest thing. Like, because at the end of the day, you've watched Real Housewives.

Every franchise, there's somebody who, multiple people, truly, who have had some kind of drunken rage moment. Yes. And for Lisa to say she, like, was victimized and she's a victim of Kathy's rage. It was like, that's where it was way too much. That was like the craziness. And we talked about her saying, like, holding it all in, it would give her cancer.

Like, it's, it's nuts. And for her to like, she was like, I was terrorized by. by Kathy Hilton. It's like, no, you weren't. Like, she had a drunk, rage screaming match, which you've definitely seen other people in your life do it sometimes. You took yourself out of the situation, by the way, you locked yourself in your room, apparently.

And also, it wasn't like Kathy was going at Lisa. It sounded like she was going at everybody. Yeah. You know what I mean? So the way that, just the way, Kathy made it seem like she thought she was, you know, off camera talking to a friend. Right, and she went off, and it wasn't directed at Lisa Runa. By the way, let me tell you.

something. But there are some moments when Kathy was talking that I was like, there's some evil on Kathy Hilton. Oh, for sure. Like, there is. Like, that's just why both sides, it's hard. Like, I'm not like so gung-ho on either side. Like, there's some, there's some flashes in Kathy Hilton where I'm like, oh, God, I do not want to be on Kathy Hilton's bad side. No, I think they're all nuts. I think they're all nuts. Garcel has her head on her shoulders. Yeah. And we see that time and time again. I will always like Kyle Richards. Yeah. I think that Kyle Richards for years. I've started to really turn on Kyle. I know. And you know what?

comments and stuff. I haven't watched the full season. Yeah. I haven't kept up as much as I used to. But when I used to watch, I was a really big fan of Kyle Richards. Same. And I feel like over the years, I don't see all the bad stuff as much as people see, but they think she's just like kind of fake and manipulative. See, I think over the years Kyle Richards has had to answer for things from her family. From Kim, for now, Kathy. Right. And I don't really think it's ever Kyle that's doing. Right. Well, people It keeps happening. So maybe is Kyle the common denominator? Right, but maybe she just has a fucked up family.

Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. I think deep down and you saw between Kathy and Kyle, even just talking about the the friggin bar they were at where Kathy thought Kyle was throwing her a surprise tasting party. And that's why she was upset at Kyle

because she built up this expectation that Kyle was throwing her this party and Kyle wasn't doing that. So Kyle's like getting a surprise tasting party. upset being like what the fuck am I supposed to do like I just you can't win here and so I don't know Kathy does feel very critical of Kyle I feel like in that moment too when they were fighting Kathy Kyle looked very tense her jaw was clenched like she's tears in her eyes like it was a lot for her and it felt like I don't know if Kathy wanted Kyle to stand up and yell at Rina and be like stop it you like no more and and even you know she tried to emotionally say that by saying you know you guys

the only people you're hurting and this is me when you keep talking about this and it just felt like maybe Kathy wanted her to to do more but on the other hand then you know Kyle wants Kathy to just fucking lay off her sometimes and yeah I just yeah I'm not a fan of Lisa Renna and I am not a fan of Erica Jane and Kathy Hilton is also nuts they're all nuts that's the thing and I but I just Lisa Rina and Erica Jane really just have angered me the last No I know I agree I really do think

Like I do believe what Rana is saying as far as like There it was a total outburst and all these things But I think it's the after It's the social media post It's the key post about it It's the Rina making it about herself When like this It doesn't

It doesn't really have anything to do with her Because it wasn't towards her It was around her Like you know She was screaming in the same vicinity, but it wasn't at Lisa Rina. Yeah. I do believe Kathy Hilton said those things.

Yeah. I believe she said it. I think those would be random things to just make up. But I think that Lisa Rina just, like, ran with it. And like you said, made it about herself when I don't think it was about her. And then it embarrassed Kyle and causes a fight between Kathy and Kyle. And I don't know. Kelly Moran sent us this, our talent booker at Barcel, which was cracking me.

me up. It was just a meme of when Kathy pulled out her phone and tried to prove that she like did they pulled those messages. She was like by the way Lisa those messages not here I don't have them and she's like

it really did feel like she got her in a moment where the meme was like Kathy definitely thought that if she deleted the messages it deleted from Rina's phone too and Rana was like no Rina pulled out her phone and gave it to Andy and was like literally here are the messages.

Here they are. Andy was like, no, here they are. And it does feel like just from what's been going on with Erica and the conversation towards the beginning of part three with more of like her legal stuff and the rant she went on in Aspen too. It just feels like

Andy is also very fed up with Rina and Erica. Like just Erica not, you know, continuing to talk about like they're not my victims and all this stuff. She's like they're all just, it's a lot. And I do, I do feel like Erica has formed a very hard shell because she is trying to protect herself. And like she said to her therapist, she doesn't want to turn into this like mean jaded person. But if it comes out to be that,

you know, she's dealt with all this criticism and hate and all these things and she was not involved and she will herself feel personally vindicated, but I feel like she'll think she won against all the people. And she just feels like she just feels like she just feels so. harsh right now and not able to see anything outside of herself. Yeah, and just the legal talk. Everything is in legal terms. Yeah, when she kept in appeal. Oh my God, when she kept saying that to Andy Cohen.

About the fucking earrings. And he was like, we're saying the same thing. And she was like, no, we're not. It's in appeal. Oh, my God. And he was like, you're trying to get the back. Well, it's an appeal. It just, I was, I was loving that Andy was like, we're saying the same thing.

He was fed up with that. No, definitely fed up. And at the end of the day, it was like a, it was a sad ending to see Kyle, like, not want to do the toast and to be upset. And Kathy definitely, the way Kathy left, she didn't seem happy. Like, if I had to guess, that's a scenario where they leave. And Kathy's like, bye, everyone. And then she's fucking calling Kyle raging all over again.

Ripping her apart. Yeah. Oh, God. And it makes me sad what they said about the kids, like, it affects the kids. kids. I know Paris was liking a lot of stuff, comments and stuff about Kyle. And there was somebody screenshot that Kathy had like this comment about on Instagram about Kyle like being the problem and all these things. So I don't know. It's just like feels like there's a lot of deep rooted issues there. And yes, it's when they bring up their children's weddings and all these things like they want to be a

part of it. And the fact that the show ruins all those things. It's very uncomfortable. It's like, were you going to be at Farah's wedding? I don't know. My family will be. I'm sure it'll be nice. Yeah, it's like, oh. Awkward, awkward. Yeah, exactly.

But pretty underwhelming from what we thought it was going to be. And no real answers. It was just what everyone thought it happened. I thought I was going to have like jaw on the floor moments. But they really, it did feel like they just, look, they created one of the best trailers for reunion ever created. They did. And we all tuned in. And we did.

And I'm very interested to see. what decisions they make with Beverly Hills. There's rumors that, you know, Rina might not be coming back, that Doreet might be demoted. Like, there's rumors about everybody at this point. So it'll be interesting to see if they change. Diana's definitely not coming back. But it's if they make any switches or firings.

Yeah. If they really put Rina on pause. I don't know. We'll see. The best news of the day, Joe and Saran, Grocery Store Joe and our adorable Serena from Bachelor in Paradise last season got married. They're married. They're married. They just, those crazy kids, they woke up on a Thursday morning and said,

we're headed to the courthouse, they went to New York City. They live in New York City. They went to the courthouse, and they posted the video, and they just did the damn thing. I'm throwing as many Bachelor puns as I can in this. I love it so much. I'm so freaking happy for them. They're so cute. They're so in love.

I just want to freaking squeeze Serena's cheeks honestly she's so cute but the two of them they were so happy they got married I am just so happy for them I'm so happy for Joe for for you know

just being like should I put us in a little in a little group and just say yeah congrats just you know doing it just like I want to marry this girl I'm going to get married because he had some hesitation

in the past with marriage or you know finding the right person and he found it with Serena and they did it And, you know, I'm just happy for the two of them. It worked out a Bachelor of Success, the two of them, a Bachelor in Paradise Success. And it's like, I know we're talking about Bachelor in Paradise successes with, you know, Dean and Kaelin getting engaged. But this is marriage. They are married.

They signed on the dotted line. They are married. And you know what? You know it's true love when they were like, we don't even freaking care. We just want to be married and then we'll have our wedding later on. We just want to be married. I love that. You guys going to catch that invite or?

No. That's very sweet. So they posted that they're still going to have like their big thing in September of next year. But, you know, they just, the love is just so strong that they said, we want, I want you to be my husband. I love it. I love it so much. That's the only thing I keep saying is that I'm just so happy for them. I love it.

And I love that it really, like, they're so casual. they're such like they're so normal casual people that it really just feels like they got up and got dressed for the day and they were like time to head to the corner you know there wasn't like anything crazy it wasn't any crazy outfits or anything over the top like they went to bed last night they just chose in his regular clothes I imagine they went to bed last night and they were like I just want to marry you so bad I just want to marry you so bad and then they woke up the next morning and they were like let's go why don't we just go do it We should tell them to come back for pen stents. The fairy tale just writes itself.

I love it so much. I'm so happy for them. I am so excited for them. I can't believe, like, now it's like they're, they're, I keep saying it, but like, they're married. Yeah, they really, husband and wife. I know they're probably just going to like. They're married beforehand and Dylan. I know.

I was thinking it. Didn't want to say it. They're probably just going to, like, go grab quick dinner or something in the city. You know what I mean? Like, just super casual. Like, they're just going to. It was just Serena's birthday. Like, what an exciting week for her.

Right. What a time. Dinner at Carbone, one night, courthouse the next morning. Delicious. Live in the New York City dream. They got a little wine in them last night and said, let's get married. I'm just, I'm thrilled. Me too. I'm the person.

I don't know who's filming that video for them. Of course, they have a witness or somebody is there with them. Whoever is filming that video is so good because you can hear them when they get to like the end. They're not pronounced you. And she's like, the girl behind the camera is like squealing. I'm like, that was me watching this video. So couldn't be happier for them.

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at the lowest price guaranteed. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are joined by a very special guest. We are joined by Heather Gay from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for having me. I'm thrilled.

We are very excited to have you. Salt Lake City has had me locked in since the first season. It just gets crazier and crazier. True. How is it watching these seasons back? Because we're right. We're at the start of season three. Right.

So it feels like things are just starting to amp up a little bit. Things are definitely starting to amp up season three. And it's just been such a whirlwind, like, I didn't think that we could have like more heightened experiences from what we experienced season too. Yeah. But somehow we're still upset about a lot of things. So there is major drama.

I want to jump right into it. You guys took a trip to Arizona. And it was very funny because everybody's joking that like you guys never get the cool trips. I mean, it's literally. It's Arizona. It's just south of where we're at. Yeah.

We're in that belt. Isn't it right? Like it's right over there? Literally right. And we went to Scottsdale, which is like primarily Mormon and white. And I was just like, okay. you know, here we go. It was just not really a huge vacation.

It's not Turks and Caicos. It's not Amsterdam. I've watched housewives. I know where these ladies go. You don't go to Scottsdale, Arizona. Unless they're from like New York. Right, right, right. That's, yeah, they're going to like Columbia.

Formal complaint. Yeah, like a shipwreck in Cartagena. Yeah, you know? I don't want Arizona bike boozing bikes, you know. Yes. A bachelette party. That's basically a bachelet party. With the makeup artist slash twerk

instructor, you know? Yes, yes. But the trip kind of took a turn, one might say, when Whitney had kind of a come to God moment. I don't even know how to describe it. She was like, I have to get this off my chest. A truth-telling, healing

journey that did not seem very healing at all. Yes. Yes. And now it is, it's interesting watching, because as the viewer you see all the conversations happen. So you're like, Whitney, you brought up. the song like the jazz tickets guy like you're the one who told that story but it didn't seem to or maybe it does but as of right now it doesn't seem that that that Whitney gets any flack for that at all no it seems like it's just like been jumped over to how like no one's talking about how this was her story and she was throwing me and Angie under the bus to join in and I'm just trying to say I love you I support you but not this I don't know it right let's talk about something I can speak

too. Right. And Meredith is the one, like Meredith said, I've heard rumors. And Whitney said, I've heard some too. And here's what I heard. And then that's the one she re-shared with the group. And Lisa obviously was very unhappy about that. But she doesn't seem to be that mad at Whitney. I know. I'm like, but she's totally into it. And she's like, the bad truth is worse than a good line. I'm like, so this is true? Like, there's the bad truth. Where is that coming from? Right. Have you and Whitney ever kind of yelled at each other like that before? Never. Never. That was like a drunken rage fight. We made up quite quickly immediately because it was just so frantic. And then I think then she was upset and ripped up the card. I didn't even that was just like a drug. You know, that was a girl's trip raging lingerie fight. But then it just seems to be getting worse. I mean, thank you. You know, it's great that you guys got past it quick because we watch on other franchises that some fights like this can last on for years. Yeah, but we're no Meredith and Lisa. You know, we're like we're going to have a quick cycle, I thought, but we've just been. watching it back makes it charged and hard to like you're right back there and then you also see

the confessionals in the story they say and you're like oh damn yeah this has taken a turn so how do you stop yourself from getting mad again or just like letting it go when you watch it back well i'm mostly just like abused toxins and and try into my pillow and you put your phone down you just it's fun to feel it again it's kind of the fun of the housewives you know and not it's not fun to feel it but It's fun to be in it the whole process and I just, you know, I just want to see what happens next

because I'm learning stuff about how she feels about our friendship every episode. And that's what's making it hard. When you and Whitney were speaking at the restaurant in Arizona, I think you guys were still in Arizona.

When I was like evil, like, murder her with words. Yes, yes. I was going to say when you're, when you watch that back, do you think like, do you see more of the outside perspective of it? because I think it was either, I think it was Lisa or maybe it was Marrith.

It was like, do you think Whitney was coming from place of like she's going through processing her trauma and she was just upset and like watching back do you think, I could have been a little more sensitive? I watch it back and I think, oh my, I mean, I feel horrible. Yeah. Horrible. And also I was so clear atly upset about the Lisa rumor, but it just trumped the fact that she was still feeling, reeling from all of the abuse stuff that she had revealed to us.

And that was the first time we had heard that. And she said she didn't want to talk about it. So I thought, okay, we're putting that aside. But now we're talking about this. And I just felt horrible about the way I spoke to her. I thought I looked terrible, just mean, you know, and angry. And I was just like, I'm going to fight. You're being a total bitch.

You know, I'm going to try to fight with a pleasant face from now on because I just didn't like seeing that. It didn't feel good. And I felt like I want to just be kinder to my friend. You know, she was my favorite person on the show. She was my one person. And so I don't like it. And I hate watching it back. What has, where is Angie H?

I feel like we're on The Bachelor sometimes with it. I know, we got Angie H. Yes, Angie H. Her relationship, I know she's been friends or had been friends with Lisa for decades. 20 years. 20 years. How long have you known Angie H? So Angie and I had peripheral friends.

Her ex-husband was dear friends with my brother and they both played football at BYU together. And it's just kind of this little insular community. And she was also an influencer and I worked with influencers and did photography and stuff. So we knew of each other peripherally. We had never hung out until I met her at the first initial meetings

for Bravo with like for the show. She was there. And that's where we met and like reconnected. And then we filmed and we just like had so much fun. But the initial connection was Whitney took her to lunch to a warner about Lisa. And that's how she kind of got really involved. And Lisa was upset that you invited her on your

girl's ski day. But like I was like, Lisa, you're, Meredith's here. Certainly, certainly, like, if you can ski with Meredith, you can ski with Angie. Right. And I knew they wouldn't be on the same hills. I didn't really think it through. I just was like, why would I think it through?

Yeah. It's housewise. I mean, does everybody get along? I'm not asking that question. I was like, who do I want there? And that's how it ended up. I, like, gasped in Arizona after Jen had left and you guys kind of all hug. And Meredith and Lisa had, like, a long hug.

A long hug. And they, like, held each other for a while. I was like, what is going on? Yeah, they were on like a path to, that was a moment. I talked to Meredith about it just the other day. We were doing some interviews and I was just like, that gave all of us hope. Like you could feel there was like real, you know, that was sweet. Yeah.

It was a big, and it was hard to put her in that car. We thought she was going for it all. Like the trial it was happening. And now it feels like it's been so delayed that that potency and that emotion is a little bit, you know, diminished. But it was big. It was intense. Of course, we all. now know what has happened

with the trial because it is past now but we're watching before all of that and we're watching you guys be supportive friends how did you personally feel after hearing what happened in New York and now you have to watch how

great you guys were to her watching it back when she's well I'm glad it makes me so grateful that she was struggling with all of that not knowing what she was facing and it makes me glad that we did that and it also makes me think that we need to double down more right now because it's it this is it's happening she's getting sentenced yeah and she's going to have to repay this debt to society so us being mean or

judging is not part of that you know we just it's very interesting it's just it's very interesting I thought it was very interesting because the seasons are on almost at around the same time of how your group reacted compared to beverly hills and how they reacted to Erica yeah and there's a lot of judgment and it felt like division more with that group and with you guys you kind of rallied around her which was it was interesting to see just the difference in how you guys reacted to something like that and maybe where

polar opposites yeah it is way different and kind of crazy that this is all happening in just your third season of the show I mean you know it's like big drama right off the bad it's taken a couple years for the other machine machine of drama right like it's insane and now that you're in the third season are you like totally locked in to being a housewife now or are you like where do you like I wake up every day praying there's not an email saying we have decided to go a different yeah yeah like I don't feel I mean locked in like I've just every day is like a thrill and this was a hard season for me and it makes and like

having bravo con be so huge and like kind of connecting with all of those bravo fans and seeing just that community it was so fun you know just to feel all of that like now it feels like I have something lose and that makes me scared you know because before it's just like having the time of my life and now it's like I'm scared that I'll never be happy again so I'm trying to balance that and be realistic you know yeah I got maybe one two good years left you know so I got a profit from and then you have a backup plan but beauty labs my backup you know it's a great business and you so what's interesting is there's been so many friendship shifts and dynamic changes compared to like you said really like the first season. We're only on the third season.

And there's been so many switches. How people talk about all the time, but how close-knit really is your community in Salt Lake City where like friendships, the outside gossip infiltrates into your group?

I cannot stress that it is small Lake City. It is a beta fish bowl, like a cloudy gold fish bowl of everyone. Like we are all interconnected. Like all of these worlds. You heard about like the TikTok moms.

That's Angie's, that's husband's wife. You know, like we're all, that's like, there's no way you can't throw a stone or swing a dead cat with like hitting someone that's dated or seen or no. So do you know what went on with all that? Well, they never invited me to join. So that's what you know for sure.

I'm offended first. No, I'm kidding. I mean, I don't really know, but it's just like it's so like somebody knows somebody. Yeah, you recognize every single name and you know They might be filming something now. They have to be. I mean, the stuff that went down there is like one of the, it just, because I think that the Mormon community is so interesting to people on the outside because there are so many

rules that we hear of that, we don't know if that's true, right? Like, we don't know how, like, soaking. True. True. That's true. True. That's, not what I don't want to call it crazy because I don't want to offend anybody, but also like.

Try it. It's basically tantric sex. It's basically. common suture, like Trudy, Tyler and Sting did it all the time. So like you can, you know what I mean? Yeah. So like Commusuf- What about the... Just no movement. Right. The part where the soak and then somebody jumps

on the back. That I think, I've never heard of that. I think that's too complicit. How do you like feel good about yourself the next day when you've been a jump humber? Either the jumper or the hump-humping, yeah. That's a little... I've never seen or heard about that. But I could see like why water beds were popular. I don't know. Makes a lot of sense.

Yes. And you've been working on your own. story putting it out there, writing it down. How has that process been for you? It was pretty cool. I mean, writing the book was really cathartic because everyone knows I'm just obsessed with my Mormon history and trauma. And writing the book was just like a huge step forward to like kind of the deprogramming of it all and releasing like all the expectations my family and friends have of me. But the book is not going to be, it's a great book. And I'm thrilled that people are going to read it. but it does really, it really is going to put a wedge between me and the community, I think, that are feeling very protective of the Mormon faith.

I was going to ask, you, you don't consider yourself a Mormon anymore, or do you slightly? I can never not consider myself a Mormon because that's what I was steeped in my entire life, but I am not practicing. I do not believe it, and I do think it can be very, very destructive. Are your daughters involved at all still, or is it? They are, they went from not being able to show their shoulders, or knees. I saw a picture of them with their tongue out. I took their phone away. And now they are posting booty picks in three bikinis. My daughter's like, I'm over the D1 baseball boys. I'm into

water polo guys. It's like we, it just cracked this world open for them. And they're teenage girls. And so I just am so proud of that. And that's like what I'm banking on, you know. It must feel freeing for you and also for them to just have this new chapter of your life. It's completely freeing. And what's even bigger is to look back at if I hadn't had this, if I hadn't done, if I hadn't done, done this, you know, like changed or left, what their worlds would have been. Yeah. Yeah. I would have been telling her to get married.

She would have been, you know, like, it's, it's, that's what's scary. Yeah. Because it's, whatever they're doing now is their own story. Like, ride it, you know, no expectation. But before the expectations were black and white and set in stone. Mm-hmm. And all of my other friends are doing it. I'm seeing their kids do exactly all the things that I plan for my kids.

And that is what's so terrifying. Who, is there anybody on the show who still really like is a, practicing. Well, Lisa Biles says she's Mormon too. I know. Yeah, right. Right. Right. I don't know whatever anyone's personal religious practices are, but Mormonism is an active participation religion. Right. You know, it is your Mormonism is detailed by your participation in it. And that's like two hours on Sundays, at least once a week. You have a calling, which is 20 to 30 hours. You give 10% of your income. And I don't know where. The income thing really throws me off. 10%. Gross or net you can choose. With certain religions. where they're like, people start, you know, donating their salaries. And I'm like, okay, where are we going with this? It's like a little hairy.

Yeah. So are you're kind of afraid that this book could maybe make some people upset? Well, the thing is I'm not afraid. I know it, but I don't want to give myself that much credit. But the truth is we make oaths in the temple to never reveal secrets to suffer our own life if we reveal those secrets. And if you don't believe in that anymore, it doesn't feel so sacrilegious to reveal those secrets. Makes sense. And so they're no longer secrets to me.

They're just weird-ass words that I did that every Mormon does and like no one talks about it. And that's what's kind of frightening. No one talks about it. Even people that are disgruntled and leave, they don't talk about it. Right. Yeah. And guess what? It's fascinating.

Now I've said it. Now I've said it. It's out there. Exactly. And you're living your life the way you want to. And there's no reason to be scared. I'm terrified. Let's talk about the husband.

Let's talk about the Mormons. Yeah. So I'm trying to think of where you guys have been in Salt Lake City. How much has the Bravo world changed? Yeah. I mean, I don't want to sound corny. I am corny. But I get so thrilled because I see all of these people that have been pretty landlocked in Utah that want to be part of the industry, want to find a community.

And there's no options. I'd imagine because it's such a small community. that if you guys are all doing the show it's successful, it's working, that there's got to be so many women now who are like, how do we get on? Yeah, how do I get into this? You know, like the crew and the production people

and the locals, I thought everyone was imported. So when I would meet crew people that are working their way up through the ranks, and I'm just like, I'm so glad that we brought this opportunity to Utah because we wouldn't have an outlet any other way. We're very small town. We really are.

Do you watch a lot of the other Bravo shows? I just beat Leslie Grossman in housewife history on Watch What Happens Life So yeah bring it, ask me anything I just want to know what your favorite show to watch is I love them all I really love all the housewives But I've been really digging family karma

Shaz's a sunset I like deep rich cultural high demand religion shows Because it just resonates with me And it feels like I can watch them And learn how to navigate it better You know how was BravoCon Did you love it? Was it ridiculous? Like Dorenda said it

It was like being a beetle, and I was like, it was like being Lady Gaga. I was going to upgrade a little bit. It was incredible. But it was more like a celebration of all the people that were there. Like, we were no longer virtual, you know? And it was just like, I felt like I was doing it for the moms, you know, like just my people. I'm a Bravo fan and I loved being there. And I just wanted to get in line and have meet and greets with everybody, you know.

So it was a thrill. On the outside looking in, it was awesome. We weren't there. But obviously we watched every TikTok that we could, Instagram stories. And it is funny, like you said, the way that people scream and go crazy, people I know were lining up for hours just to meet you guys. That must be just an amazing feeling. It was an amazing feeling. And one night, usually we were rushing to get somewhere, but one night I came home from dinner and I was a little boozy.

I'm like, I'm a little drunk. I like my outfit. Who wants to take picture? And you just like bring it, ladies. It was fun. What, going into BravoCon, who were you the most excited to meet? And did you get to meet them? I met everybody.

Everybody? I met Kathy Hilton. I met Cal Richards. I met Fade drop. Yeah. I sat next to Eva, spilled champagne. I knocked Vicki Gunnvelson's drink out of her hand

because I got excited to see Shannon. I mean, I did it all and like I was thrilled to see every. Vicki will never forget that. I mean, Vicky got two happy ending massages. Did you hear that panel? Yes. Vicki's like,

and like I didn't learn everything. Fully detailed them. Like she was like, yeah, you know. The six five Greek. And then he did this. It was great. And then I went back. Like, he was like,

I thought she was going to say he was Mrs. Trungeball from Matilda. But she meant business and she got it done, you know? It was funny. Are you allowed to say whose side you are on with this whole Lisa Rina, Kathy Hilton, Kyle Richards? You know, they asked me about it last night and watched what happens live. Lisa Rinner reached out to me when I was getting trolled pretty hard for sticking up for Jen or just being a friend to Jen.

And it was just great to be acknowledged by her and feel that encouragement. She just said, they're going to come for you, but just be a friend first. And I felt like that was like, it sounds weird, but it felt like industry advice, you know? Because you think, oh my gosh, and my true self, I'm going to get kicked off the show and canceled. And that meant a lot to me. And I think Lisa Renna keeps it straight, but I also think she's a great housewife and knows how to dish up drama. And I think Kathy Hilton is entitled to break down. And I drag me, Kathy.

I don't care, you know. It's all, I just wish it had been on camera, like every fan, you know. I hate to debate it when you haven't seen it. Yeah. Yep. I will say Lisa Runa saying, be a friend first is, you know, little. But I'm not really You take crumbs from anybody

You know I didn't analyze it I just framed it and put it on my wall Someone's nice to you and you're like Oh, they're nice to me You know what I mean? Yeah But that's really cool that you got to see all the people You've just been watching

Yeah it was I made them all take selfies with them Marys medicine all of them They're all there it was so cool You also filmed a season of Ultimate Girls trip Which we know there is you guys were a part of Another panel right at BravoCon They had like the cast that did Cases in two and then this future cast

Who was Who's on your season? Remind me. So it's Marisola and Lexia from Miami Giselle and Candice from Potomac Leia Lea Maudley and Sweeney from New York and then me and Whitney From Salt Lake City so like across Like just random crazy group Yeah so fun. Had you met any of those girls before going on the trip?

No I had DM'd with Leah a little bit We had a little crossover and Whitney of course And I had done some stuff with Giselle and Portia Did I leave off Porsche William? Portia Williams? I think I left her off on another thing too. Porsche was the queen. I followed around like a puppy.

But like I just barely didn't see her. You forget that you didn't have to mention her. Sorry, she was the center of the solar system. Those were the satellite planets. Yeah, it was, I only knew them peripherally. I met them virtually, Portia and Giselle. So crazy. Who surprised you the most?

Well, I keep saying Candace because she just rode hard for me, which I just thought she was going to hate me and just read me to fulfill, but she wasn't. She was so fun and great. And I loved everybody. I mean, I felt like I was among the masters, and I can't help but be a fan. I love how much of a fan you are.

I can't help it. Like, I'm just like, what do you? Sure, we can do that. Sure, yeah, that sounds fun. Yeah. And too, yeah. You're ready to try anything. And it's nice to, it's nice to be open about it

because I think that they're personally, I think that there are a lot of housewives or new cast members on shows who try and like really play, it like oh you know it's just another day at the office it's we're like plucked from our boring ass lives and given this opportunity to like fight in lingerie and have people comment on it like there is all of us are lucky yeah that's such a positive look on it no no you can say whatever you want go for it yeah but that's such a great look on it and I think that if you keep that attitude

going forward then you're just going to have a great time always doing the show until like you booted off and no one will respond and remember me it's like remember me it's This is our selfie. Like, we're friends. Don't worry, you'll be calling Andy saying. Just like, I have an opinion. Don't you have a, don't you have some show? I'll move.

I'll move to New York. I'll go anywhere. There's got to be an opening somewhere. Salt Lake City Legacy is or maybe we can, here we go. We'll do fourth season legacy. There's four of us left. What? You guys went to Thailand for your trip?

Yes. Which is crazy. Hey, you got to go somewhere cool. I know. That's what I was just like, that was like a gimmie. Like when they flipped. I just was like, thank heaven. It was so fun. The season two girls must have really been like, wow, they really sent us to

burn this house. Like, come on. I mean, a blue stone is iconic, but it's not tied. I would have gone to Arizona with those women. You know, that's the truth. But to have to go to, to get to go to Thailand, I'd never been on that side of the world. And it was overwhelmingly cool. Yeah. And just to change it up with people who you're not usually around is probably so exciting. Like, it's not the usual people you film with. No, they're all stars. These ladies know what they're doing. They are. It's white balls for batting practice. There's no messing around. Did you learn a thing or two?

Yeah. What do you think you learned the most? I learned that these women are hardworking and that they are smart and funny and can read you and don't put up with a lot, but also don't suffer fools. And so I'm right there in the middle. So you just, I don't know, you just respect how smart and funny and powerful they are. Like it's six alpha women and you put them in a bag and it's yats. And that to me is like the most fascinating experience. Yeah.

It's a great, I mean, it's a great concept. I'm glad they started to do it. It's such a good idea. Yeah. And it's so much fun, it's so much fun to watch. And this season of Salt Lake City has been fun to watch as well. And we're going to see all the drama unfold, I'm sure. And how now you've done, you've finished filming three seasons now.

This is a broad question. But do you have like a number one scene in your mind that was like the cringiest? thing for you to watch, yes. No, like top 15. I cringe watching a lot of what I do, especially when I just kind of am tired or drunk or go for like a low-hanging fruit joke and then of course

it's used, you know? I'm like, I'm funnier than that. Yeah, yeah. But I'll just never get over the fact that we were in the party bus at the beauty lab and laser parking lot and the SWAT team was approaching. I watched that back and I was like, we were just like,

you know? You know what's so funny? we had we were we we had a little piece we did of that because there was a girl on the on the crew production crew who was in one of our sweatshirts the merch we know that the merch was in the parking lot made the one of the scenes the scenes we were like wow we are engraved you're part of the landry it's a landmark and one of the biggest scenes ever exactly like Gary island worthy and yeah your merch is featured guys like when that is crossover moment. It was huge. When that is replayed like years, when Andy is

80 and he's replaying scenes at like BravoCon year 20 for real. We're forever connected because it's always going to be a beauty lab and it's going to be featuring your merch. Yep. I love it. Women supporting women. Yes, I remember we were like wow, this was the moment our merch

made couldn't ask for anything better. It's a shout out to Gina, producer, rep being the brand. Couldn't have been better. Yes. She, we played trivia with her. Yes, we had. I love it. I love it. I Love a game. Yeah, we played trivia with her, which was so much fun, which, and she got to tell us a little behind the scenes of what was going on. I love Gina.

It was so smart. That was so great. But what can you tell us about the rest of this season? How far do you guys film into the decision of what happens with Jen? Oh, with Jen pleading guilty? We were just waiting for her trial to begin. Okay. And so we filmed up to like days before she thought she was before jury selection, really.

That's the last conversations we had on camera. So it was right up to the end. Okay. Wow. So we'll definitely. It'll be very interesting to watch. It'll be very interesting to see. And I'm sure a reunion will be coming.

You guys haven't filmed anything. No. I haven't some reunion yet. But it'll be. Yeah, it'll be. The reunions are always. That'll be a good one. That'll be always the best.

Do you have any hope for Meredith and Lisa? Absolutely. Yeah. Mom and dad, we got to get him back. It may be dysfunctional, but at least we're together. You know, not a broken family. Yeah, definitely. And your book, Bad Mormon, comes out in February, right?

Looking forward to that. That's going to be great. So, Heather, thank you so much for coming in and talking to us. Thank you so much. Real Housewise of Salt Lake City airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. Eastern? Yes. Yes. I'm pretty sure it's 9 p.m. Yes, it is 9.m.

Because I always knew because it's my, it's like Beverly Hills and DeSalle's but now Beverly Hills is ending, so I'm like, do you guys stay there? We probably say and they just stagger everything back. They put something else in, yes. So Wednesdays, make sure you're tuning in. This season has been explosive and it's just going to get crazier. Heather, thank you so much. Thanks for having me, guys. Love it. All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office.

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