Chicks in the Office - Tristan/Khloe Cheating Scandal, Britney Spears News + Zac C Interview

Episode Date: April 30, 2021

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Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Ria and Fran, giving you that Friday energy on a Friday. It's a wonderful Friday to be Francesca because she's moving into her big apartment. Moving on up. To the west side.

Because she's coming from the east side And I know the lyrics are the east side Yeah, but I'm leaving the east side She's leaving What about moving out by Billy Joel? You know that song? Do I know that song? Oh, hotness.

I mean, Yeah, moving out by Billy Joel When I first moved out of my dorm room When I first left the first college I was at, I listened to that song on repeat Yeah. I even tweeted moving out dashed Billy Joel. I think I'm like, I've been okay

and I'm just so excited for the new apartment but I do think leaving the Upper East Side in the morning could be like Sob City I just, because I got emotional thinking about it I've lived in this is the only place like I've lived in the last five years like I was just thinking about all like the life

the crazy life moments that I've had while living in that apartment I'm like wow it's really kind of like an end of an era like I was a student there I got my internship there, my full-time job, I met Joe. Like, all these things happen while living in this apartment. I'm not trying to make you cry. I'm like seriously getting really emotional.

You can't cry. You can't cry. I said I was going to cry. You're going to make me cry now. We're both crying. Unbelievable. Well, anyway, now I don't, now I'm trying, now I'm going to downplay it. Whatever, I hate this apartment.

I started giggling at first because I, I, I, no. Noah's crying. I'm not crying. I'm not crying. I hate Noah. And guess what? You don't have a camera on you so no one will ever know. No one will ever know. He is crying though. No, I got emotional because I started laughing at first because I knew that I was going to start getting emotional about it. It's just you named a lot of important things in your life. And I'm so happy for you. I've been in that apartment for and that like I've just gone through like a lot of life in that apartment. No, I'm serious. Get it together. I know you're serious. I can't help myself. I know. I know. So it's a big step leaving and doing this. So I'm excited. We are excited for you.

Thank you. Congratulations. I wish I wasn't actually crying. I wish I wasn't. But it's a huge moment in your life. Very excited for you and Joe. I feel like I'm giving a wedding speech. I can't tell which avenue I want to take with the rest of this.

Do I want to keep going emotional or do I want to steer it? No, we can, we can, okay, I'll wrap up my nice words. Yeah, I am super excited for you and Joe. I think that this is great. We've been waiting for you to take this next step in your life. We didn't know when it would happen. Everyone was wondering. We were talking with the family. We said, when is she going to start doing this? And you're finally here. Yeah. And it's happening. And we're super excited. And I have to give you a housewarming present. So we'll have to think about that. You didn't get me one, but that's okay. I did not. You should have given it on the pod today. damn well I didn't think about it until now I just like I thought about it right now in this very

moment I thought I must get her a housewarming present wait so are you going with Fran to the apartment she asked me to do and will I accept you seem like you did I in the moment I was in the moment she accepted I was are you rescinding your acceptance no I'm still I'm still gonna come but fun fact I've never been to France. She had all these big life moments there, but not having her co-host Ria there. So, that's kind of disappointing. I didn't, I didn't see the apartment. Maybe you should go. Like, the last day she's there, you're there, like, helping her move out. You don't want to help me move out. No, I would. If you need me to, I'm not busy tomorrow. It's, it's, it's pretty much done. Everything is boxed up. And, and-you got out of that. It's pretty much all done. But you can still go

just to see it. Yeah, but it's empty now. Like, it's, there's nothing in there. There's not a The Will Smith picture of her, like, standing there, like, crying. I should. That would be deep. That's a little too dark. I don't know. That is. Because if I was, like, leaving and didn't have a plan, then, yeah, it would be way

more sad. She came with me to see my apartment before we moved into to do the walkthrough as well. So I'll do it for you, babes. Thanks. I'll do it for you. Super exciting. We mean Noah played a mean prank on Fran right before this. And I'm glad to see that we've come out on the other side of it because she was really not

happy for like a good 20 minutes. She wouldn't speak. She had such an angry face at her laptop. I had to sit with it for like 10 minutes and that was okay. It was uncomfortable. But I get it. I get it. Not everyone's down with a prank. Hank's annoyed with me lately too. I hate being pranked. I played a prank on him where in the middle of the streets of the city I got down on one knee. And he didn't like that. Are you like about to become a fucking prank ticotker? You're going to be crox kid out in Times Square? Like farting in people's faces? Absolutely not.

You're halfway there. No, my pranks are harmless. That's what they all say. Getting down on one knee in front of Hank is hilarious. Did you say anything? That was funny. I said, will you marry me? Like in a serious life?

No, he knew I was, because what happens was we were with, we were walking to the subway with somebody from work. And I texted them and I was like, yo, I'm going to play a prank on Hank. I'm going to ask you to take a picture of us because I like my outfit today. And then I'm going to hand you the camera. So that's exactly what we did. was so honored he was like oh you want to take a picture he took out his disposable film camera and was like he was like here take a good one and he was just upset because he was like oh you don't actually want to take a picture he knew i wasn't actually proposing god know um and franz was just

i'm just saying you might i feel like you're getting the prank bug like now you're like into prank people i'm so into pranking people but in a harmless way i would never do anything that's what they all say at the beginning yeah because it's why it's why April Fools is one day that's annoying. She's going to start pranking every day, but April Frikes. A little bit of hijinks, a little bit of a recorded hijinks is a good time. Harmless hijinks, like proposing, fake proposing to Hank harmless, telling you that Nick Jonas and Priyanka Choper broke up, harmless when you find out that it's not real. Within 30 seconds, you're like, oh, that's not real.

Fran didn't, for 20 minutes, wouldn't speak. Great acting on me and Ria. Yeah, Noah was great I wish it ended a little bit sooner Like I could have gone like a minute And like believed it But you went like for a really long time Because I was wondering when you were like

What is considered it a really long time? Like I think it was five minutes tops But we started talking about other stuff And I'm like she still hasn't told her that Yeah that's what I'm saying No we did No we were talking about We were talking about

I was like I didn't know how long you were to go I'm like is this like Is she going to tell her like tomorrow I would have got it all on camera Yeah It went on for too long that I got mad. Yeah. But if it ended maybe a little bit earlier.

We're past that though. We are past that. And I don't like being gullible. Like I feel like people who get pranked are gullible. And that's like I hate being gullible. I think like there was no reason for you to like not believe her. I did question it at the beginning also. But even like why wouldn't why would you think she's lying about that?

Exactly. She's a prankster now. Here's the thing. I mean next time. Yeah. I'm never I'm I'm I'm gonna be fact-checking every time she's she says something now I know Fran will never believe me again when I have my phone out and I'm telling her news if she tells me any George Brothers news I'm never believing it ever I realize that the thing is the the pranking is not to make the other person look a fool you know everybody gets right if you tell anybody that something happened but the person being pranked feels like a fool they feel like a fool but I just want everyone to know that is not the goal. The goal is to just make other people laugh. Yourself. Myself and other people because when other people see that, they're like, oh, that's pretty funny. Harmless. Harmless fun.

You're a toe in the water. There was a kid here who worked at Barstrel very briefly. Do not compare me to this fucking Crox kid. Don't compare me to Crocs kid. And he was a hoodwinks guy. He was a whole YouTube channel. Like I think him working here. He was a bad guy. He was bad. No, I know. I'm saying, I'm saying you're dipping your toe into the prank world. And once you get a taste of the good, you know, you're getting all these laughs. Everybody on TikTok is like, wow, Ria, you're so funny, good jokes. Nobody's saying that. No, absolutely nobody. Then all of a sudden, you know, you're pouring water over your head on the subway.

I would never do such a thing. He poured like cereal over the... Yeah, that was ridiculous. That kid sucks so much. No, he sucks so bad. I would never do something that would actually harm anybody. The first prank I pulled was telling everybody that O.J. Simpson died. That's harmless because it's OJ. Simpson. And you know what I mean? And then what?

You're dipping your toe. I'm dipping my toe. See if the water's warm. Is this an intervention? No, no, no. We would know. No and I would know if the prank got out of control. Anyways, follow me on TikTok at Ria Chiff, C-I-U-F.

And you'll see all my fun pranks on Noah and Fran. Hanks said something to me last night that really stuck with me. And it's, I mean, where is this going? I thought that was so serious the way you just said that. It's pretty serious. Okay. I was in an annoying mood, talking a lot, which I do. And I just was nonstop talking.

I just was walking around the apartment, talking to myself. Yeah, chatterbox. Just saying things that just didn't have to be said. And I was like, why are you ignoring me? And he goes, because sometimes your words could have just stayed thoughts. Damn. Doesn't that hit hard? Yeah. Yeah. It's been sitting with me. Sometimes, however, we make our money for by putting our thoughts into words. Well, that's another thing. Yeah. So I was like, wow. I don't know about that. And he, and he, And he goes, but sometimes, maybe in the privacy of your own home. Right. And I was like, I'm going to write that one down. And he was like, you think that's, and he was like, wow, do you think that's going to be

beneficial to your life? You think you're going to use that? I said, no. Absolutely not. I just going to write it down because I thought it was funny that you said that to me. Damn. So, so he said that. You thought it was thought provoking.

And then you said, it wasn't that good. No. I mean, it was thought provoking for sure. I thought to myself, hey. he's making a point. But you weren't writing it down to remember it or writing it down. No, I wasn't writing it down to remember it for myself in the future. I was writing it down to remember for this podcast to talk about it.

Not because going forward am I going to stop being. Hank, catching a lot of L's the last couple days. Yeah. Fake proposed to. Thought he gave you some good advice. You said, nah, this is good material for the podcast. He's getting really annoyed with that. He's like, why are you going to write that down that's so nice?

No, actually I'm going to tell the world about it on the podcast. Well, he said to me, he's like, are you using me for clout? Because the other week, I had this revelation. Well, I was super high. And I was like, oh, my God. You don't use him enough. No, well, that, yes. But at the same time, I was like, oh, my God, you're Hank.

Yeah. I was like, people know who you are. You definitely don't use him enough for clout. I know. And I was like, I need. Yeah. I need to step my game up. Yeah. People know you. And you guys don't, you guys don't interact on social media as much as you could, which is a nice thing I will say, because I think that could also be a super annoying. Right. But a little, you could a little bit more. Yeah. The TikTok he posted about the pot. That was funny. Thank you. You're welcome. Well, that was the revelation. I was like, oh, he was slightly offended. He was like, oh, you're just realizing people know who I am. And I was like, not that. I just don't think of you as like, oh my God, you're Hank.

Yeah, yeah. And now I do. Now you're just a pawn in my little game. Okay, moving on. Well, no, I'm just saying like there is a whole market there. There is. You got to panop to like the part of my teakrab. Couples.

Look at Cody Cohen and Kelsey. They got a great thing going on. I know. Couples got a great thing going online. Couples got a great thing going online. They do. And for the past. four years I've been ignoring that you have I've been acting like you know well because we work together

so I'm always like ah we can't like post certain things people are going to know about our relationship yeah yeah yeah you don't want to share too much but now it's been a long time yeah because sometimes when I share something and then I'm like wait everybody in the office is going to see that yeah yeah yeah yeah work with us and that's kind of uncomfortable yeah yeah like I put up a quote card like inspirational quotes that hank says to me you guys hugged in the office yesterday and it was so weird it was so It was so weird. Nobody else reacted, but it was just me being like, why are they yucking? Wasn't that so weird? It really was.

In Hank's corner, you got, like, he went in for a full embrace. Like, it was like a nuzzle hug. And I was like, what are you guys doing? It was really weird, right? I don't think anybody else felt that about, felt like weird about it except me. Because maybe just because I never see you guys act like that at work. And so when I saw it at work, I was. What are you guys doing?

I know it was so weird. That's what I'm talking about. And I put up inspirational quotes or things he says to be and I made them into inspirational quotes. And one of them was the only thing that's thick is that ass. And I put it up and I was like, people at work are going to see that. Yeah, yeah. I saw it. That's what I'm talking about.

And it's just, I don't know. It's uncomfortable but funny at the same time. Absolutely. But there are for sure times you can play it up. A little bit. Like I said, a pawn in my game. Yep. Okay, let's get into the topics for today because we didn't do many topics on Wednesday, and we have a full show of topics for everybody today. And we have a great interview. It's so hot in here, man. Are you going through? Like sweating. Are you going through something? No. It's very hot in this room. You're wearing a sweatshirt, too. I know. Take it off. I don't have a shirt on underneath. So I can't. Show us your boobs. Oh, God. Not today.

I have the giggles today. All right, go back into the topics. Remember when I made up that song about your boobs? Mm-hmm. In Aruba. Franny's Boos? I won't sing it right now. Let's get into the topics for today's episode because we did not do topics on Wednesday's episode.

So we have a full show for you guys today. We're going to start off with the Tristan Thompson, Chloe Kardashian cheating rumors. Are they together? What's going on? We have all the information for you. Vanderpump Rules returns to filming. and half the cast is missing, half of them stayed the same.

Katie's season of The Bachelorette has officially wrapped, and there's a lot of rumors surrounding the season that we'll dive into. Billy Elish revealed that she's releasing a new album, July 30th. She released the track list and a new music video called Your Power,

and Britney Spears will finally appear in front of the court herself on June 23rd. And we have an interview with the one, the only Zach C, Zach Clark, the winner of Tasha's season of The Bachelorette and Fran wore her Philly shirt for him, which I thought was really sweet. Thank you.

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Did he cheat? Are they together so many questions that people are wondering? We're going to dive right into it. These three women appeared on the No Jumper podcast. Blackout girls. Yes. And they... I'm not sure what they do.

Blackout? Sounds it. I tried to Google them and I like couldn't even really find anything. I'm assuming they just party. Yeah. Right? They just go with the first. I mean, I looked at all of their Instagrams and like they have individual Instagrams.

But then there's the blackout girls, but there's nothing like the blackout girls. Like there's no, you know, Instagram that's just a blackout girls or anything like that. But on the no jumper, if you watch the YouTube, it's like the blackout girls return. Do they have a podcast? No. I think or maybe they, no, like there is a black. There is a blackout girl's Instagram, and it's definitely like a group of friends, Finsta accounts. Like, it's private.

It has 20 followers. Savage. Yeah. We're going to show your high school. It's like this girl wasted like in the picture. There's no. So I don't really, I don't really know. Like I tried to look up more about the women, but I guess just as a group, they're known as the blackouts.

I feel like no jumper has a bunch of just like random people on like that you would never like. That is true. They don't have like a show or anything. And this is not the first time that a woman has gone on no jumper and like said, talked about like having a relationship. Yeah. Well, I feel like a lot of. Yeah.

I feel like a lot of women that go on no jumper, people that run in those circles. Yeah. And then talk about it. Can we talk about something for a second? Because you just said it. Demi from The Bachelor tweeted out the clip she was watching the our segment talking about her reality Steve.

And she noticed that. you say the plural of woman woman and i say women and there's two we it goes back and forth and now that she posted every time you say woman am i i here am i saying it wrong i don't know i think there's multiple ways of saying what are you saying woman but like are you talking about one person no she's saying multiple because how you're supposed women if you're talking about multiple it's women if you're talking about like fran is a woman how do you say Is a woman? Singular one person, one lady.

Fran is a woman, you're women. I believe God is a woman. Yes, God one person. Woman. Woman. Now say plural. Now like both of you are women. Women.

Yeah. Yeah, but you don't say women when you say when you're talking about two people. Deep breath. She's crying again. I'm not crying. It's just. I know that people came here because they want to listen to us talk about the Tristan Thompson stuff. Yes, and we're talking about it.

And we're going to talk about it. But here's the thing. And this is. This woman is what you said. And this is, I guess, what Hank was saying, that sometimes my thoughts could, my words could just say us thoughts. But here's the time where I feel like I must, I must talk. I must speak about what's happening right now. And I want to say something.

Okay. I'm scared. Are we going to go back to your acting coach? pronunciation because if we are just let me explain when I went to acting no it's not that when I was younger I had a long island accent obviously and when I was acting my manager was like listen we're getting a lot of feedback that you have a heavy accent and you need to go to a speech pathologist. I can't even say speech pathologist now because I'm getting all nervous. You need to go to a speech pathologist and work on this accent and learn how to say certain things.

And I did that week after week after week. I had to bring a fucking tape recorder. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to bring a tape recorder with me, record the whole session, listen to myself back. I had work sheets. I had homework I had to do. So I did this for at least two years. Okay. And now all the time, all the time, all the time people are telling me I'm saying words wrong. I actually think the woman is the Long Island accent coming back out. I know. And there's really nothing we can do about it anymore. And that's that.

And it just frustrates me that my parents wasted their money. I just didn't really think it was that noticeable until Demi tweeted it out. And I was like, wow, I guess I never noticed that. I think it's just like some people just. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, guys. I must enunciate more.

She didn't, but it was funny because she didn't say, like, she didn't say, oh, my God, she's saying it wrong. She was saying it's interesting that people say that word differently. That's a nice way to say that you're saying. You know the Harry-style song, Woman? Is singular. Yeah. Woman. Yeah.

Woman. That was a trivia question. The blackout girls are women. They're women. There are certain words that I do, I can't, like, drawer, you know. Dror. You know what's something like... I can never spell definitely.

Like when I'm writing it down, I'm always like defiantly. Or like, it's just I get it mixed up. No, no, like just the middle of it. Is that word for me. Yeah. There's some words. Don't have that problem. I'm a phenomenal speller.

Yeah, well, there you go. Straight up. Sorry. Okay. You lost your spelling. Okay, so these girls, these women... What? These women went back on the No Jumper podcast.

They were joking around about hooking up with guys. And one of them asked Sydney Chase, how is Tristan Thompson's dick? That's just how this all started. They were drinking, they were having fun, they were talking about it. And it blew up slowly. Like this podcast came out and there wasn't really a reaction.

It was on a few like social media pages and not like mainstream media. but then it blew up and it was all over the place once again of her. And then she posted TikTok, Sydney posted this TikTok. It's like a Charlie's Angels looking TikTok. It's her and her two girls behind me. It's like her muscle is behind her. And she, it was all around a very interesting TikTok the way she structured it. One, it was like, I know the entire world is talking about me.

insert screenshots of all these headlines about herself. And then she apologized saying it was a private thing that she shouldn't have spoken about publicly. But I'm going to talk about it again and give more detail saying they met in November. They spoke, they hung out. January was, I believe, the time she spoke about them on the podcast. And then the last time she spoke to him besides when he, I guess, heard the interview. or heard what she said and he messaged her. It was the night of True's birthday party, which obviously wasn't that long ago.

So I don't know. It's shady. It sounds like Tristan Thompson. Walks like a duck. Quacks like a duck. Probably a duck. And so I don't know. It's hard because it just happened before.

So it's like, yeah, okay. Sure, it happened again. Exactly. But here's the thing. Are Chloe Kardashian and Tristan Thompson even together? Because if you've been watching this season of keeping up with the Kardashians, they have said multiple times that they are not romantically and sexually together, but they're working together as co-parents.

Right. So to me, that kind of seemed like they were good friends. They're good co-parents. But maybe they are not actually in a relationship. And so that's why I kind of felt like they may have been sneaky, like sleeping together, but she didn't want to say it on the show. Well, that's possible. Like I feel like when Tristan and.

Scott had a conversation. And it seemed like Tristan sort of hinted that like something extra was happening. Like he's like, you know, we're sleeping in the same bed. And like, you know, I don't. Yeah, they're cuddling. They're getting along. So I can see how that would mean, hey, you know, we're together, but we're not together. There's a mutual understanding in our heads that we are trying, but we're not putting a label on it.

And I feel like maybe that's where they were at or maybe that wasn't where they were at all. Maybe they really were just co-parenting. So I feel like the relationship of those two are getting very confused because now this is a Tristan Thompson cheating scandal, which I'm not defending Tristan Thompson. I think he's a piece of shit. I think he's garbage. And I stand by that now. I talked about this the last podcast that I feel like you and I both were like, okay, Chloe, you know, when people were saying that they were back together and Chloe went on her Instagram and was like, I could do whatever I want. Why is anybody giving me shit?

This is my life. We were like, yeah, we agree. You can do whatever you want if she's going to forgive Tristan Thompson, but kind of, you know, keep that same energy for Jordan Woods. That was one thing that we were like, you know, you got to forgive both. But we get it. Now I'm like, no, I don't get it. I just don't get it. I think Chloe Kardashian can do so much better.

I think she's wasting her life and wasting her time with Tristan Thompson, who evidently is going to cheat again. Maybe if they weren't together now or when he, when this happened with this woman, there I go again. with this woman. No, you're good. With this woman. Now I'm thinking about it a lot. And whatever happened here, maybe they weren't together, so maybe it wasn't actually cheating. Who knows?

He's going to do it again. I don't think that he's really a great guy when it comes to relationship shit. Maybe he's a good dad. You could be a good dad, but also be a garbage boyfriend, a garbage husband, just a garbage human in a relationship. And I feel like that's kind of who he is. So we need to stop accepting Tristan Thomas. into Chloe Kardashian's life romantically for her at this point because she's not doing it herself,

it seems. Yes, they need to keep a relationship because they have a kid together, of course, but there are plenty of people who make it work. There are plenty of people who are not together, who have a kid, and they make it work. I feel like from what we see is that Chloe really want to make it work with Tristan because that is the father of her first child. And I get that. I understand. that but there needs to come a time where you understand he's not it I just not it yeah and I do think that the sisters have a dad like one you know their father passed away when they were young very sad and they go through what happened with Caitlin Jenner and and it's like I feel like they they had a great childhood.

They always talk about their great childhood. But it always has seemed like they've really wanted their families to be a unit and their kids to have one family, like one parent. One father. Like where it's like Kim was always like having all of her babies with Kanye. Even with Courtney, it was like, okay, she was thinking about having a fourth kid with Scott, not being with Scott. And it kind of seems like it was the same thing for Chloe potentially.

She wanted to have another baby with Tristan but may not actually be with Tristan. And it does seem from the show, from what we're watching that has happened last summer, that Tristan could have been in more of like a trial period. You know how they're sitting at that table and they're all joking about Courtney and Scott and like let's just get married, get back together. And Courtney had said, you know, we've had this discussion. Scott knows what he needs to do for that to even be a conversation. So it's like it makes me think that Chloe and Tristan may have had some kind of similar

situation where it's like we could get to the point where we get back together. But I'm giving him this long of a time to see if he fucks up or not. And if he doesn't, then we can talk about getting back together. And if he does, well, here we go again. So regardless of if they even have been together this whole time or not together at all, I think she was still looking to see if he could man up and not sleep with other girls. And he wasn't able to do that.

So it seems allegedly. And so it's like even people being like, I don't even know if they're together. I feel like Chloe was trying to get to a point where they could be together. This certainly does not help that at all. Right. Well, just to play devil's advocate, and this is not what I believe, but just raising the question now, do you think that it's right to make somebody who you're not in a relationship with, not sleep with other woman, other girls, other people? Women, women.

You know, no. Like, I get what you're saying, and, like, in Tristan's mind, right? He's like, well, I'm single. She doesn't want to be with me. but when you have fucked up multiple times already can you really blame Chloe for wanting to put him on some kind of like trial run I can't it's the same with Scott Scott we love Scott now and we've loved Scott and Courtney but if you go back and watch like the earlier seasons of Kardashians we all kind of hated Scott's guts like Scott was terrible he was terrible to Courtney like he obviously he's turned over a new leave. He's a different guy now. And I think, you know, being a dad and a lot of things have changed for him. But, like, then you still see the pink hair and you're like, okay, are you good? Like, what's going on?

But the, like, I don't know, I can't fundamentally, like, I get it. Like, it's like, ah, trial, run. She's maybe, you know, dicking him around a little bit. But when you fuck up like that, what is she supposed to do? Welcome you back with open arms. Like, yeah, let's be a couple again. Like, no, she wants to see if he can stand up to the job. Yeah, I agree. I was just raising the question because I feel like that's something that people would disagree on. But I think that you're right. I think it depends on the, circumstances. Like if this was just a normal relationship, normal girl and guy, you know, talking. Right. If like kids in college, like she's like, you're not, I'm giving you six months and you can't sleep with anyone. And if you don't, like, we can get back together. That's, that's ridiculous thing to ask.

The kid's just going to go fucking move on and sleep with whoever he wants at that point. So I think there are certain cases where that would be a ridiculous thing to ask for somebody. I think in this case where it's like you publicly embarrassed me multiple times on an unbelievable level worldwide. You hooked up with my little sister's best friend that's highly embarrassing and other things. And the time before that. There are many times where he just publicly embarrassed her. and also hurt her. So I feel like in this case,

that would be something that I think Chloe was right by doing. Now we don't know all the details. We don't know if that's exactly what happened. Sydney's obviously getting her name out there, which, you know, if it's... So that's another thing people are talking about and wondering is whether or not... The paparazzi's following her now.

Is this a cloud-tasting thing? And the No Jumper podcast is interesting to me too, because I just, I feel like that's what they do. Like Adam 22, like, does that. Like, he exposes people and puts people on blast and, like, you know. So to me, I almost think that him having them on, they kind of go in with a plan being like, well, you're going to tell the Tristan story, right?

Like, you know? Yeah, I think so. And it's confusing because I think if the story is true and this is what this girl wants. to do, then she can do that. Right, for sure. And if you can call it cloud chasing, you can call it whatever it is, I'm sure she knows that. I'm sure in her head she's like, yeah, I'm going to get some attention and whatever. And if you can...

Her TikTok was set up like a press conference. Right, right. And if you can deal with that, then, you know, go for it. Who's going to stop you? It adds entertainment to everybody else's lives. Yes, it adds, you know, it hurts other people's lives as well, which is unfortunate. But for the drama aspect, we're like, all right, spill it. Tell us what you got. So if you can deal with the backlash you're going to get when you do something like that, then whatever. It seems like this girl knows what she's getting into. I personally could never fucking do something like that.

Never. I really just, well, first of all, we would never sleep with somebody who was with somebody else. We just want to do that. Yeah. We would just never do that. So that's the number one thing. But also even when we hear things about celebrities or people we know, we don't say shit. Because you don't want to do that.

Yeah. There's no reason. for sure. Vanderpump Rules is back to filming. It seems like they will be returning, but with a much different cast, Jacks, Brittany, Stasi, Kristen, they are no longer on the show.

This season's going to be the Toms. It's going to be Sheena, La La, Katie, those people, but the four that I named will not be on. And I also read that Lisa Vanderpump wants to be a more focal point

of this next season. And I think that's probably because she's not on Real House of Beverly Hills. She probably misses that shine from being on a reality show. And now she wants to be more involved in the next season, which I think will make up for the rest of the cast missing. Even though we talked about this before and we thought just scratch everybody all together, start over, start fresh, get a new set of Annor Pump rules.

It doesn't seem like they're going that route. It seems like they're sticking with the cast. Yeah. We didn't know what was going to happen when filming was postponed. and were they going to come back? Were they not? How is it going to look? They are going to start filming again.

It's a whole different look. Regardless, Lala, Sheena, just had babies. Just had babies. Stasi also had her baby as well. So it's like that's, it's. And Brittany and Jacks. And Brittany and Jacks. Right.

So it's just so, I don't know, the dynamic is going to be so interesting to me because they're all still so intertwined. was always the thing about Vanderpump rules that made it so great in the beginning was it was people that actually knew each other before they started filming and as the years have gone by like last season when they put these new servers onto the show and it was kind of a disaster it did not really work and you know those guys aren't coming back dayne is not coming back I think Charlie is coming back but it's like where is are they going to try that again is it like, all right, let's get a new round of young people to try and infiltrate, which also is not going

to work because now we're dealing with just parents. Like the conversation, their lives are so different for Sheena, for Lala. Even the little preview that Bravo had posted that felt like not scripted because I know it's not, but it felt like a little contrived. Like it was, oh, Katie, when are you going to have a baby, you know, and they're talking about and talking about it with Lala. So I don't know. It's hard.

And like I said, they're all still friends. So it's how Jack's Britney Stasi, Bo, like how do they not talk about them at all? Are they not involved? Like, they don't even get their name brought up because we see on social media they're all still together. The babies are meeting each other. There's all these little baby play dates happening. It's very cute. But that won't be.

that won't be on the show. So it's, I don't know how Lisa plans on elevating this, but I'm very curious to see how this plays out because I kind of don't think it's going to be good. I think we'll have to watch and see what happens to see how we feel in the beginning of it. I think if Lisa Vanderpump is involved

a way more than I think the show is just going to turn focus to her. You're right, their lives are dramatically different. I don't know how interesting it's going to be. I don't know how, I don't know how they're going to want to film all the time and do things when they're trying to take care of newborns. That's also going to be really tough. So I don't really think that Vanderpump Rules has a long lasting shelf life. Yeah.

I think that they'll see what happens this season and it could potentially be the last. And that's just my opinion. That's just my feeling on it. I don't know any information. So I think it's just like they're going to realize it's not the same. Tom and Tom are always entertaining. I think they always bring comedic factor and they're fun, but it's now just the dynamic of like the drama and the gossip and the hookups.

It's just not quite there. And if they bring new young people in, it doesn't, it just doesn't feel like Vanderpump rules because you know that all these people don't know each other. Like it's like when Dana got put on, And it was like, oh, she's been working at Tom Tom. And she knows it's like, no, she's not. It's like she's cast on this show.

She does it for a season. And then she's like, I'm out. I'm leaving. So I don't know. It's very hard to show genuine friendships on this show that are not part of that first crew. And I don't think it's like going to work if they just keep bringing in new people that are quote unquote servers in the restaurant.

Like, I don't know how a lot of that. how long that's going to be sustainable. Vanderpump was in its prime when Jacks and Stasi were at each other's throats and and fucking Jacks slept with Kristen and it was all fucked up to their friends but it was highly entertaining to us. I feel like James's life is even pretty chill these days.

Yeah. Oh, I forgot. I totally forgot about James. Yeah, James and Raquel be on but like I just feel like their lives are we haven't heard much about everybody besides the babies. Yeah. So that's what I think we might be getting. A lot of baby content, which is nice. Babies are great. Babies are great.

And like watching the Instagram. Babes are great, but on reality TV. The Instagram stories of them, amazing. Well, yeah, unless you're, you know, we're going MTV like team mom. Yeah, but this is a different vibe. Team mom is like a bunch of teens who got knocked up and now they've got to deal with their kid and they're crazy. They're out of their minds. This is like the babies can't talk.

This is they're all like, yeah, they're all just going through life's changes and life's biggest moments. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, it's going to be very, very different without half of the people. I am super excited because I submitted my Embark DNA kit from Norman because I want to find out all. of Norman's traits. I want to find out what his breed. Because, you know, they say he's a doxin, but I think there's more to him. I think there's more to my pup that I want. He just has so many more layers. Listen, I was in the park yesterday and a woman comes up to me with her doxy and she's like,

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Katie's season of The Bachelorette has officially wrapped. They finished filming. And we saw the promos for the season. It looked like they were worth about $3 the budget for the promo. They looked super cheap. This is nothing towards Katie. It's just the way the promos were cut. The background. It was like the plain white background. The plain white background. The plain white the dresses, the outfits, everything about it looked super cheap. Yeah. And there are now rumors about what's happening with the season or had happened on the season. Dumois posted that somebody sent in that apparently it was up to Katie on whether or not

Chris Harrison was going to return for this season of The Bachelorette. I have it if you want to read it. Yeah, I kind of know it by Harper. Go ahead. read it. But it's just because I think that the submission said the show was ready to welcome back Chris Harrison but Katie needed to sign off. He called her

to make sure that Katie would be cool if he returned. She said no. Then she tweeted immediately after the call that Harrison would not be returning to the show. Production and Chris were not expecting that. Now they are finding that everyone has a problem with Chris returning his host and they may never be able to bring him back because no one wants him there. Multiple contestants and leads have expressed they do not want him there for Paradise and Michelle's season. Stick a fork.

him he's done now the high-powered attorney he hired makes sense. Chris Harrison will never be back his host of any show for the franchise. Now it's anonymous submission, take it as you will, but it is, I believe more of it because of this e-news article that came out right after, like really defending Chris Harrison and being like Chris Harrison was so missed. It was like so weird that he wasn't there. So it makes you think that like, I don't know, they don't want the actual situation to come out or Chris Harrison doesn't want the actual situation to come out. But I'm also skeptical on the first thing thinking that like, does Katie have that much power to be like, oh, he can't come back? And they're like, okay, yeah, whatever you say.

Yeah, that is interesting because I feel like maybe they thought since it is Katie's season, would she feel comfortable with Chris Harrison being the host? to knowing everything that's going on. I understand what you're saying, though, like usually they don't really have that big of a say. It doesn't feel like the, yeah, like has control over production in that way. Exactly.

Chris Harrison decisions. Right. It seems like, well, maybe they were so fucking, like, confused on what to do that they were like, let's ask Katie. Yeah. You know, let's just ask Katie what she thinks. And so that's what they ended up with, possibly.

The last thing they need is more contestants, like turning on the show or anything like that. Exactly. Well, what if Katie did not want to be a part of a season that Chris Harrison was hosting? She's already the Bachelorette. And I don't know. I think that, you know, you'll read the facts from the E-News article that came out. But read that first and then.

So very, you know, suspiciously a little bit, that's posted on Dumas. And then today this E-News article comes out, headline how Chris Harrison's absence impacted the dynamic onset of Katie's Bachelorette season. A source close to production exclusively tells Enews that Chris's presence was missed because the guys always go to him for advice and view him as a wise older guy and the ladies go to him as a father figure. During Katie season, her contestants couldn't get the same advice rotation. Caitlin, the insider says, I mean, I joke that like is this insider Chris Harrison

because it's very complimentary towards him. Chris was also missed in the sense that he has, quote, the mediator and voice of reason on set. The second source explains the guys didn't feel like. they could necessarily vent or have therapy sessions with Tasha or Caitlin. It's easy with Chris because he knows the drill on the process. Ultimately, filming had a different vibe because it was a lot of female energy in one bubble and hard for Katie to have the full spotlight, noting that Caitlin and Tasia have extremely

outgoing personalities. It was a little hard to put all the focus on Katie when Caitlin and Tasia were there. It wasn't necessarily competitive, but it was really a different vibe. I don't like anything in this article Not a thing I don't like the Like oh God it was terrible Without Chris Harrison there

And the like Oh Katie couldn't shine Because Caitlin and Tasha were there Like why are we We're already gonna pit these women Against each other this season Has it even started yet We're gonna say oh Katie didn't get a chance to shine

Because of Caitlin and Tisha Like I don't like that either They're basically saying like three women Can't all be in the same space Right like God they can't be The stars of this TV show they need male energy. Yeah, it's a terrible, fucking terrible message to put out there, first of all, because I feel like that's what so many women are fighting against is like, no, we can all

live in the same space and we can all be successful and we can all be happy for each other and we can all support each other. And this article is basically like, nah, Caitlin and Tasia, too big of personalities. They have two bigger personalities. They're taking up too much space and Katie couldn't shine. Katie could fucking shine if she wants to. Yeah. Caitlin and Tasha can shine if they want to. Everybody could shine together. It's not taken away. I hate the way the whole thing's written. It's like, oh, Chris Harris didn't have anyone to vent to because Chris Harrison was there and then also

say, oh, Caitlin and Tasha like stole the show too much. What do you mean the guys had no one to vent to too much female energy when there's arguably more men because there's 30 fucking men competing for one woman? Yeah. You got you got 30 men you can turn to vent to. And there's three women and you're saying there's too much female energy that makes zero sense. And like I don't think they have a schedule. time for contestants to go sit down and have event session with Chris Harrison. I've never thought Chris Harrison was that involved with the contestants that much because

there's so many times and we've had contestants on the show who said, oh, you know, I really only talked to Chris a couple times. I don't know him that well. Right. So it's not like he's sitting down and becoming BFFs with every contestant. Yeah. That article fucking sucks. I don't know who the insider there was.

Everything about that is annoying. I understand that. It's going to be different and weird without Chris Harrison. He has been the host for 20 years. He has hosted every season. It's going to be weird without him. 100%. But will we adapt?

Will people adapt to it? Yes. That's the thing. I get that. I understand where people are, oh, it was different. Chris Harrison wasn't there. But they could have spun it in a better way. Yes, it was different.

Chris Harrison wasn't there. It was a little weird for everybody, the production on set to not have Chris there. but Caitlin and Tasia did a great job, Katie Shine. Yeah, listen to this quote. It just doesn't make any sense that article. This is about Caitlin and Tasia. They're very attractive and fun and familiar to the franchise. So it kind of distracted from Katie being the only desirable woman there.

Oh, so maybe they're insinuating that the other men. But they're both in relationships. They're both in relationships. And those guys that need to keep it in their fucking pants because they're there for Katie and they know they're there for Katie. So they can't even be around attractive women without wanting to fuck them. That is a ridiculous statement to put into an article. Yeah.

That is basically it's just going against everything, what everyone's trying to not have be the case anymore. That guys can't be around attractive women without wanting to bang them. First of all, the too much women in one space. It's just a terrible article. I don't like you. Terrible. No, I know.

It's insane. And like I said, interestingly coming out right after that submission was posted on Dumois. So it's like where there, those are two completely different messages. One, oh, no one wanted Chris Harrison. He's never coming back. Two, everybody missed Chris Harrison and he's needed on the set. Like two completely different messages. Yeah, it is.

I think that we will find out more as it goes on. Well, we'll just have to watch the season. Yeah. Billy Elish revealed that she has her new album coming out. July 30th. She released her new song called Your Power, the song and music video. She directed the music video herself. It's very, very cool.

And just like it feels like such a different vibe this album. Robbie Fox, who we work with, posted on Twitter, the two album covers next to each other, you know, from her last album and from this album where it's like heaven and hell. Like she looks so angelic, the blonde hair and everything in this new one. It's like close up of her face. And her last one where like she's possessed. It's kind of terrifying. Very different images.

But like cool. I want to, I'm not going to say the word, but juxtaposition is what I want to say. Great word. Good word. Yeah. But hard to say. And he, it's, I think I'm very excited for the new sound. Everything she does is very angelic, but this feels like angelic with a happier message.

Like maybe the lyrics are like, kind of. Because there are songs in the old album that have that same. They sound angelic, but they're so sad. But if you actually listen to the lyrics, it's like, this is really sad. So sad. Yeah, I really loved her last album. So I'm excited for. this one. This one's called Happier Than Ever, so I think that maybe it's going to have a happier feel to it.

The music video was super cool. After watching Billy Elish's documentary on Apple Music, I can tell how involved she is with music videos. She really likes things to be super real and she's really involved in the creation of all of it. And I think that's really cool. And she really, I know that a lot of artists do this obviously, but it seems like there's a lot of thought that goes into every. thing that she does. And with the making of her last album, it seemed like there were a lot of things that she had to redo and she was second-guessing and she didn't like this song and she didn't want to put it out and ended up being one of the biggest songs and a lot of things like that. Yeah. Where seeing how she posted about this album saying that it's the best thing that she has ever

done and she's so proud and happy of it gave me chills and made me so happy for her watching that documentary and seeing how she was always second-guessing herself after her Coachella set that she did for the first time. She thought that she did terrible. She forgot the lyrics to one of her songs. And it was a great moment. People laughed. People enjoyed it. People love real moments like that when they realize, oh, the artist is a real person. They can fuck up and not remember something. And it was almost sad to see. It was interesting. But at the same time, you're like, she's so good. She's so talented. She's so, unreal. Why is she doubting herself so much? She's like so young. Exactly. So young and so talented at such a young age. She's doubting herself so much. It's sad to see with this,

her post about it, I was so happy for her because it seems like she's so happy with what she's about to release. And I think the little tease that we got with Your Power in that music video is just more for great things to come. So I'm really excited for her album. She has a ton of songs coming out on that album, which is great because I think a lot of artists sometimes they'll put out seven to like 10 songs or you'll get even more than that, which is awesome. Yeah. And, I'm really excited. I love Billy. And I love her whole new look.

I think she could pull off anything, but it looks awesome. And like you said, she is super strategic in what she does and how she put stuff out, that it makes a lot of sense, I think, for her to release this song when she did too. Because as the album, happier than ever, you listen to your power. And it's more, like, that's clearly about a past relationship. It's dark. I think people were saying that this song recounts like her abusive relationship that she was in when she was 16.

So it's like it feels like it was a plan, you know, release this song, music video, and show as the first step. And now when the whole album comes out, you can see like the change and what has happened in her life since then. And, you know, like she wrote, like she said, happier than ever. She put out my future, which is also on that, like, was it last summer? Like last summer?

I think. Yeah, that's on this album too, right? That's what I'm saying. So I feel like it's all like, like the My Future thing is like I'm excited about the album coming out like all this stuff. It's like this is let's talk about this from the past and then when the whole album comes out like let's continue to talk about the future. And obviously Phineas, her brother is extremely talented and they are a great team.

And I can't even imagine working that closely with one of your siblings and not budding heads all the time. But they're an awesome duo. Yeah. Yeah. and the music video is really cool. Like she's so young to be directing her own music videos and we're going back and forth about this snake

that she has in the music video because it's this massive snake that's wrapped around her body, wrapped around her neck, wrapped around her neck. And then she posted a couple Instagram stories where she is very clearly holding a real snake. The music video is kind of hard to tell. Like some angles, it's like, okay,

that kind of looks real. And some it's like, okay how is she how is she sitting there this snake is wrapped eight times around her throat um so maybe it was a little bit of both maybe it was all just completely real but the metaphor of like the snake wrapping around her and for this song was also very thoughtful in the documentary i'm pretty sure and i may be wrong so don't quote me on this but if you're listening to this and i'm right let me know I think if I'm wrong don't let me know No if I'm wrong let me know as well

But I'm pretty sure she like popped off in her documentary being like I'm never having somebody else to direct my music video again Like she was like I'm not having anybody else direct my music video Yeah because they weren't understanding what she was saying So I get why she's directing her music videos now because she knows what she wants Really cool definitely Major update in Britney Spears's battle With her dad for the conservatorship

Britney Spears will be speaking herself in court on June 23rd. Hallelujah. It's finally happening. This is everything anybody has ever wanted. We may be freeing Brittany. All these months, these years we've said, we just want to hear Britney talk about it. We just want to hear how Brittany feels about it. And I think everyone is very hopeful that we'll get to see what she's.

she has to say, whether it's standing up there and saying, like, I do not want my father a part of this any longer, or maybe she doesn't. Maybe she says something different. We don't know. But her lawyer told the judge this week, the conservate has requested that I seek from the court a status hearing at which she can address the court directly. The lawyer did not disclose the specific matters that Brittany would like to address. The attorney shared the hearing would pertain to the status of the conservator. My client asked that it be done on expedite.

I mean, what a tough day, huh? My client asked that it be done on expedited basis, emphasizing the urgency with which Brittany would like to appear before the court. And so because of the request, they're doing it within a 30-day window is what they asked. The judge set the status hearing for June 23rd at 1.30 p.m. Pacific time. Other matters, and then they're, you know, they talked about some other stuff also pertain to the conservatorship. And now, like I said, this is a huge step. This is huge, huge because I feel like we will finally know where Brittany stands. If she's able to get in front

the court and she's the one asking for it, I'm hoping this means we're going to get the truth from her. Yeah. I'm hoping nobody's telling her, hey, you got to get up there and say this. Like her dad is controlling what she's saying. I really pray that she's able to say what she really feels because I really think she's stuck. I really do. I just, that's what I believe. I think she's stuck. I think it's terrible. And I think it's a long time coming that Britney Spears waiting for her to address the court and have them actually hear what Britney has to say out of her own mouth instead of people controlling her life forever. Yeah. I'm, I'm nervous about it because I think when we heard this, everyone got really excited hoping that she would really kind of say what everyone's probably looking for her to say.

And if that's not the case, people are going to freak out. It's also like, if it's not what she says, it could fuel the controlling situation even more being like, wow, like that. How much control does Jamie have? but this is still so, it's been going on for so long. And Brittany, I feel like has got to be just bleeding money. Because not only is she paying her lawyers, it's like her money is paying Jamie. So it's really just been going on for so long that you hope Britney's ready to go up there and be like, hey, I'm, because she keeps saying on Instagram, which is why everybody's like,

is she okay? Is she not okay? She's like, I'm good. I'm happy. My life is good. We saw a picture. She went to a wedding with her boyfriend. Like her boyfriend, who's wedding?

I don't know. It was in like, like, it looked like a standard hotel ballroom. Like a very, and it seemed like there was 30 people there and Britney Spears was there at the wedding. But if Britney Spears was truly okay, wouldn't these people that she's going attending weddings for and her friends be like, Britney's fine, guys, stop. Britney's fine. Yeah. Wouldn't they say that? I don't know.

I don't know. It's. Wouldn't she say that? Wouldn't she come out and be like, guys, enough, I'm fine. Right. She also could be very, like she could be living a life day to, on a day to day basis where she is enjoying herself and, you know, quote unquote, being happy, but still wanting Jamie out of the conservatorship, which I feel like is more likely the case. I don't know. It's just how deep do you want to go?

Like do you just does everyone really want to dig in and say she doesn't control any of her social media? Which I do think the last time is like her accounts aren't like her accounts are owned by some LLC that is run by Jamie. It's all very fishy. But like I said, there's really no straight up fact. We don't know anything for sure. But maybe we will find out. Yeah. on June 23rd.

That's what I'm saying. This could be the only time that Brittany actually speaks about it. Hopefully. I really, really hope so. We have a great interview with Zach C. Coming up, Zach Clark, but before we do that,

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What's up, guys? Thanks for having me. We're, we are super excited that you are here. And this is now we've had Dale in studio. Now we've got Zach in studio. It feels like we're getting back into the swing of things. I'm going in order, too. Yes.

Great point. Exactly. Just we're going in chronological order of winners. Hopefully that continues. We continue to do that on the show. Now, I feel like we should ask you exactly what we asked Dale. How much did you see of our show talking about you? What do you know?

And what I know about you guys, you should be really fucking proud. I mean, you're like, if I was at 26 and 23, right? Yeah, yeah. I was like shooting dope and smoking, you know what I mean? You guys are like, you guys are killing it. With that, I mean, I caught some stuff on Twitter. I know Fran was on Team Clarkie.

Big time. I appreciate the love. Big time. Yeah. My dad's from Haddonfield. So from the beginning, you were my favorite, my pick. Because even when it was Claire, I was like, well, I like this guy. I remember I gave Zach the first rose in our first cutting stems episode.

Yeah. Yeah. So your old man grew up in Hadfield? My dad, my aunts and uncles all still live down there. Same with my grandparents. Okay. Yep. Yeah. See, I was like not as on your team.

I have to be completely honest. Like I can't sit in front of you and say that I was. But I do like here's the thing though. And friend, we said this off camera. Like we don't take it as seriously as other people do. Like when I'm shitting on people on the show, like I really don't care. much off of it. You know, it's kind of just my instant reaction or whatever. And it was, it was the thing that I felt about Dale, which I told you guys I wanted to talk about on the show, was watching Dale

and the way he spoke on the show and you're like, everything he says is perfect, what is up? And then he came on the show and he did kind of the same thing or whatever. And so, and then so with you, I kind, I was like, everything he says is perfect. It was kind of the same thing. But I definitely think you, show way more of yourself even after the show you've showcased yourself you are real you are you and I definitely am team Zach now so I want you to know that but I was a little

outspoken just just for a little fun you know just to create a little controversy you got a pony and riding and also we can't both love the same person and that's just you know like one of us when people when you rile somebody somebody up about something like it was more so to like she loves riling me up

like to get under fran's skin a little bit yeah so that kind of helped that's definitely true that's a big part of it because i like she knows it if i love something and like she'll be like i don't think it's that great and i've like explode exactly so that's why it was it was a little bit of that as well but we are happy you are here and we are big fans of you thank you i appreciate it so the for you it was just the fill like the philly it was the philly thing i liked your vibe and then well with clare was like we didn't see you at all. So I was like, oh boy, this guy is going to, I thought I had you as a favorite from the beginning. And then I was like, ooh, that was probably a bad pick. Because I didn't feel like there was anything with Claire. But when Tasha came in, it was like,

okay, this makes more sense. They actually seem like they have a real connection and they're talking. But yeah, like Rhea said, there was definitely a lot of moments where I think everybody thought you were almost too. Well, I remember what it was now. It was, then they asked you if you've ever cheated on somebody. Oh, here we go. I know, I'm going to get riled up about it again. And you said yes. And then your answer was that it was in like sixth grade or something.

And I was like, there's no fucking way. We spent a whole episode arguing about this. I was like, there's no fucking way that he said yes so fast and immediately was like, oh, it was sixth grade. Because I feel like when you think, you know, those obviously sixth grade are like, those relationships don't necessarily count. So I was like, I don't know about that. But then people were DMing me and they were like, Ria, you got to think about the editing.

He maybe didn't say yes so fast. Maybe he does consider that cheating. So we can get. Yes. And I think for me, my mind could be very, like, rigid, you know. So if I'm going to ask the question, especially in that, like, I'm on national television, this is going to get out there. Whether it's eighth grade or senior year or I'm 25 years old, like the girl that I cheat on, like, she can. put that out there and then all of a sudden I lied about it right and I think like

because I did have a time like on that date I had a couple minutes to think about all right I'm going to be asked some crazy questions right here what's my response going to be so I was kind of prepared for it right but uh yeah I did I mean what do you want look that's a story he's sticking to it I mean I think if when it was fact checked it might have been like eighth like whatever like the girl you know we started at any hall is still like a friend of mine you know and she's like married with kids and had and feel I was going to say it's a small town yeah she remembered you cheating on her in that grade. Okay, so that makes sense now that if you would have said no, she would have been like,

no, we were in six grade and he cheated on me. I get it. I think I actually, because you would do the same. Like I think that if we, if our boyfriend when we were younger went on reality TV and they cheated on us and then lied on TV, we would be screaming from the rooftops about the story. That's a great point because I talk about sixth grade all the time. Like I always referenced my middle school for some reason, in like as very formative years with relationships. I have no idea why. So you know what? Yeah, right.

There we go. All right. So that's one win for Team Clark over here. We're checking out all the boxes. How are things going now post show? Things are good. I mean, I think, you know, I've mentioned this many times in interviews. Like, I didn't know much about this world.

So the whole idea. Did you watch any, like, just one episode? Like, I know your sister nominated you, but did you watch like a test episode? So my dirty secret is when I was. married, there was a season with Allie. Yep. Like, this is 10 years ago. Uh-huh.

And I was, like, sick, you know, like, whatever. I was out there. But we watched a couple of episodes. I remember, and, like, maybe the guy was Juan or someone, like, she ended up with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. And then, uh, since then I hadn't seen anything. So I was really walking into it blind. I mean, I watched a couple episodes.

So it wasn't really fresh in your mind. I mean, I had, I watched a cut, like, the limo entrances. Like, I wanted to at least, like, no. Yeah, I'm not. coming in that. I'm not doing that. I'm just going to walk up and say hello. Like, at least prepare myself a little bit for the moment. So that's my. You didn't want any gimmicky limo entrance? I mean, no, I'm good. I'm good on just saying what's up. Yeah, did they try to tell you to do something like that or are they kind of just like do your thing? I get that question a lot. I mean, I don't,

I don't know if it was just me and like my experience. I wasn't really told to do much. I kind of was able to navigate it however I saw fit. I think maybe if they knew they maybe had. I maybe had a crack and they could go at someone and say like, hey, you want to throw this goofy suit on or pull up in this car? Yeah. But for me, I think they kind of got it pretty quickly. I was like, I'm good. Yeah.

You know what else I feel like now I'm remembering that bother people too was the New York connection? Because I think people were watching and they were like, wait, I thought he was a Philly guy. Now we're going to New York. Why is his hometown in New York? What's your connection with the city? So I've been in New York for 10 years. It's my safe place.

So I basically, I ran around South Jersey, got married, thought I was going to live this suburban life, right? Like, that we all dream of. And I end up going to rehab. And I'm sitting in rehab for like four fucking months. I'm like, what am I going to do? And my counselor comes in one day. I was like, what about New York City? I'm like, why not?

So I moved up here January of 12 and, like, knew no one, right? Like just zero people had never partied here, thought the city sucked, hated their sports teams. I was like, but fuck it. Let's like, let's give it a shot. And so, you know, for me, it's my safe place. I love New York, you know. Like, I just, I love everything about it, the energy and just, it is. It's a land of opportunity.

And I've, I mean, it'll always have a special place my heart. That being said, I know there was some, like, you know, talk about the whole, why was his hometown in New York? You know, it's like, first of all, we're in Lakeita. Like, making Haddonfield, New Jersey at Lakeitha or Phil, I mean, it was going to be a little bit harder to pull some shit off. even know what you're trying to impersonate. Right. Right. You just are walking through some nice spring flowers and you're like, hey, welcome with this

is South Jersey. Yeah, exactly. Well, the thing with that too is like, right? So I had connected with Tasha at that point. She had actually, we had started the conversation. I'm like, well, what do you think about New York City? So for me, that was a little opportunity to say like, eat a bagel, have a slice. Yeah.

And that's where you currently live. So you want to know that she's comfortable with New York City. and for somebody who moved here, you said you had no friends here. How did you end up making friends in New York City? Because I feel like that's a question people wonder, how do I move to a New York City and make friends? Yeah. I mean, my superpower, like my competitive advantage is like this whole recovery thing

that I have going on. So, you know, when I got here, I just started reaching out to some folks that I knew would kind of help me out. And I ran around the city. And I just put myself out there. Much like I did, you know, 10 years. later going on the show. I mean, it's fucking crazy. Yeah, truly. Networking, really.

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And Tasha, now it seems like, has gotten a little bit of the New York City buzz. I know, of course, she has been filming for some time now, but before that, it did feel like she was kind of getting because at first it was like, oh, we're by coastal removed, but I felt like she was really starting to fall in love with New York.

Yeah, I mean, to be honest, to do it sucks, right? Like, we came back to the city on Christmas Eve, and we were, here for a couple months, but it was still freezing cold. Yeah. We were still, there's still no indoor dining. So I can't be like, hey, let's go to Union Square Cafe. Like, let's go have a meal.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, do the thing. And then literally, it kind of like popped off a little bit right at the end there. And she's like, oh, I got this thing. I'm like, all right, cool. You know, so like, I think this next time around, she's going to really get the experience like Central Park and all that stuff.

Especially New York City in the springtime is beautiful. It's the best time in the city. But I think people love fall in the city. the city as well, but spring in the city is just awesome. No, I think we're actually in like the prime. Like today actually might be the best day of year. Yeah, honestly, it's 80 degrees. It's April. It'll get cooler by dinner time, sit outside. Now, is Tasia back? Because I saw Caitlin was back. She's, they're done. Yeah. But we have not, we are reconnecting soon, which I'm very excited about. Good. That'll be exciting. I hope we see it on Instagram.

I'm sure. I'm sure there'll be updates. It's funny because there is like, I think that there's a lot of pressure that's put on the winning couple. And I feel like you guys got a good taste of that when Tasha was filming. And it was like, oh, well, she posted this and she wasn't wearing her ring in this video. And like everybody freaks out. How do you guys kind of manage like the pressures from the fans and the outside world? Because, you know, people love you guys. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's always great to be loved, you know, but at the end of the day, we are in a relationship with each other, right? And so all that noise and all that drama and it doesn't really matter. I mean, obviously it can affect people, especially if it's negative, but we get really good to swipe and delete. Like, I've learned that just like. Yeah, and the DMs you're just like, I don't even want to look at this anymore. I mean, I, to do that, I laugh out loud.

I mean, some of the shit is so funny. Like, you just have to appreciate it, so. Good. Well, that's good, because I'm sure there's definitely some crazy, crazy messages and things that you guys get but oh no there was some shit with my mom like oh i forgot about that yes your mom unfollowed tasha everybody freaked out 70 years old yeah loves a glass of chardonnay probably like at home like like doing this whole thing yeah yeah i call i'm like mom what's going on like why did you unfollow tatea what happened she's like i didn't unfollow her and tasha has this

podcast she's like i just kind of getting all these things for clickbait and like i just I didn't know what to do and I started just clicking things so she probably accidentally but you know these people are out there like sourcing this shit all day long so oh they know who is following who they know who's not following who

they know the second you unfollow somebody it's honestly wild the things that they can detect but you just got to say something about Caitlin not following you or following you and then not following you yeah there's yeah and then Caitlin was like well I never followed him to begin with

oh she probably will now Well, yeah, that I thought was funny. Like, you know, it was like a, it was like a social media like, well, I went to check to see if Zach followed me and he didn't. So I didn't follow him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I do that with people. I do that with people.

Yeah. How was it during the filming of the show? Because you mentioned you didn't, you know, you didn't sign yourself up for this, but you were going in head first. Did you know the whole time that you and Tasia kind of had a special connection or is it something you figured out more towards the end? Well, I can start, I think in order to answer that question, I got to talk about the Claire piece a bit. Like, for a lot of reasons, I'm grateful that it happened the way it did, one of which, like, I showed up there and my head was rotating. Like, I was like, what is going on? Like, I remember sitting at that for a photo ceremony.

I'm like, just send me home. Just send me home. Like, I just was, like, so uncomfortable at first. But I feel like I almost got a dry run, right? I feel like I almost got this dry run. And then the drama happens. Dale and Claire right off into the sunset, good for them. And Tasha walks in, I'm like, okay, we're live.

You know, like, okay, it's on, you know. And so I know that first night, you know, we connected a little bit, like, by the fountain. And then since then, I mean, like, we, like, from that moment forward, I should say we, yeah, we always had a nice connection. The one-on-one, like, where I was able to get real about, you know, some of my history and the Ferris wheel and that kind of stuff was when it really, I think, took off for me. Yeah. And I think that conversation is something that everyone really appreciated.

I know that we talked about it after and we were like, this is honestly great because a lot of the conversations that were had on the Claire slash Tatia season were things that were never discussed on the show before or maybe brushed upon but not discussed in depth. And so we really admire that you were so open on such a big platform about something like that. It was really, I think, big of you to open up like that because, you know, you didn't have to. You don't have to air all that out. But what you talked about can definitely help a lot of people, I'm sure it did. And just hearing about how open and honest you were was really awesome for the viewers.

Something the show's never really done before. Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. And I mean, just for even for you guys, I'm sure at your age, like, you're starting to see some friends kind of like go down these, like, kind of weird road. And, like, maybe they have an issue. Maybe they don't, you know? And for me, like, I'm at a point in my life where I'm not ashamed of it.

It's actually I'm very proud of it, you know, and like if people want to judge me for that shit, fine. But my life is is incredible. Like, it's next level, right? And I get to do all the shit that I used to do, hammered. And it's, I wake up feeling great. You know, like, that's the way I see it. So I appreciate you saying that, obviously. Yeah, and that's a really positive outlook to have on it.

Yeah. And I will say, like, you know, to your point, the guys, I think one of the things that get lost in this whole thing is it takes balls to, like, go out and, like, do it. So all the guys that showed up there and like in Tasia and Claire and like all the people, you know, it's, I think it's glorified to a certain degree. But it takes a certain type of individual to really go on TV and like put yourself out there like that. And I think we had a really good group. And Tasha was kind of able to hold that space for some of those conversations. I know like with Ben and Ivan and some of that shit was real. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think like you guys kind of being an older cast made a big difference? because there's been so many seasons where like the median age is like 23, 24. And you didn't see these kinds of conversations happening. I mean, I would put it back on you guys. Like, you watch the show, right? Like, I would ask you, like, if that, if you felt that coming through. I think so.

I thought that the age really made a huge difference. Yeah, I think that was the general conversation that we took away from the whole season because obviously. More mature guys. Yeah, we talked about that and obviously it was a crazy season. It was all over the place. We were like, oh, you know, even as viewers. viewers. It was crazier for you guys, but as viewers, we were like, what is happening? A new

Bacheloretta? But we, we love Tasia. So we were so excited about that. But the whole thing that we took away was like, okay, you know, was this the most explosive ending? No, was it the craziest thing? Maybe not. But I think that this season had something that it never had. And it was because everyone seemed very mature. Yeah, there was like actual substance to the show. What happened? Because it's hard because you don't like really know I feel like with like that Peter and Hannah and like all the shit that went down it was do you not even know about any of that dramatic no yeah you don't even know what you guys are talking about like there's shit that like I walk through that I didn't know like apparently like two dudes usually show up to this proposal at the end like what like I'm like one

like I'm going to do that thing like I'm the guy right like that's in my head like this is locked up and I never think that there was someone else he's like he's like how to do you feel? I'm like, I feel like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. What are you talking? Let's do this. You know, like, there's a chance. She says no. What the fuck? Imagine that. You would have been like, then why the fuck did they send me here? You're like, why am I here? I thought this was it. Yeah. You're probably better off not knowing a lot, honestly, it probably worked out in your favor. And honestly, I bet is Tasia happy that you don't really know much about it? Yeah, I think that was attractive to her naturally, right?

Yeah. Because it separates now at being off the show, it separates your relationship from the show if you're not so involved with the franchise itself. Grounding a little bit. Look, I have a lot of love for those people. No doubt, like they've definitely, and I share this with some of the producers. Like, they've definitely come under fire for some shit that, like, you know, some of it very, like, warrant, you know, and, like, that's why you see change and that's how we get to, like, a better place or whatever it is. But, like, you know, I did this crazy run, like, two, three weeks ago in the city.

here. It was just like a grassroots thing. We were going to raise some money. And like that shit wouldn't have happened without like this platform that I've been given as a result of these people like working on this show. So there's some good that comes out of it and you know. Yeah. Well, I think that and too not to just, you know, like keep complimenting you.

But it's a good way to like use the platform in a positive way. Because I think that there are a lot of people assume that the younger kids that go on sometimes it is, you know, for those Instagram followers and for the, you know, they want their own podcast or they want their own show or whatever it is. And it always kind of seemed like people didn't get those vibes from you, which I feel like is why you stood out a lot also. And seeing now like what you're doing, like with the run, one of, he's not here anymore, but Bailey Carlin ran with you guys. Yeah, yeah. So it's been, it's really cool to see. And I feel like you've been able to use your platform to talk about.

you know, release recovery and all these things that you have going on. So that's really cool. I think that's like a positive way to look at it. And I'm curious like about release because you told your story on the show, but we didn't really hear where like that ended and your foundation began and your company. So how did you even get said? Like when did you say, you know what?

I am going to fully dedicate my life to this. Yeah. Great question. I think. well first of all just on one thing you said you know about the guy that kind of goes on the show to become like or girl both yeah i don't you know and like for me yeah like it turns out for that person exactly the way it's supposed to you know like most of the time and like and like and that's what they got to do to like make their next buck like good for them right you know like and i and i say like

obviously like i want people to be there like for the love and the story and like but at the end of the day like that's that's my point like you're going to get that and i don't know like i'm kind of okay with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. I think honestly, if you're going to, I agree, if you're going to make money off that, go ahead and make your money and whatever. I was just in a different, like, and that leads into, like, I was just in a little bit of a different spot, you know, like where I had a company that was established and I've been, you know, working in addiction recovery for, you know, the majority of my sobriety. So basically I showed up in New York City and I was still working like my old job, like the, you know, the Cube Farm.

crazy, you know, smiling and, like, boiler room shit. And I got introduced to a couple guys to your point, Rhea, from earlier. And it just, like, one thing led to another. So I got a job kind of working in the field and worked my way up at that company. And then after five years, I looked at my co-founder of release, Justin Gerlin, who's also, you know, my best friend in life. I said, like, dude, we can do more. And so we got a call about this property up in Westchester County, which is whatever, 45 It's north of year.

And we bought this house almost like four years ago to the date early May, and we haven't looked back. So we have a 17-bed program up there for men. So like, you know, people 18 and up coming out of rehab, they come live with us. Like, I was just up there this morning. It's the best. It's my favorite place in the world. And then we have two properties here in the city, one for men, one for women.

Women's on the Upper East Side. Men's down in the West Village. So that's 40 beds. And then, like, me and Justin, we do a lot of, like, consultation work and interventions. And, like, I was just texting with someone now. Like, can you be able to, can you do a house call or not? You know, like, so that's, like, balancing that with kind of this whole, like, new relationship. And it's been, it's been a lot.

And then as if I wasn't already busy enough, in early 2020, we started the Release Recovery Foundation, which, again, Justin and I, like, looked at each other and had this moment of, like, all right, we're helping a bunch of rich people because that's who can afford our services. Like let's try and give back to those who can't afford it. So we started that and we've raised a bunch of money. We have some people in treatment now getting help. And really like the whole goal there is just to raise money and put people into treatment that can't afford it. Like not to bridge the middle gap for like the middle class, but like really like we want to help the people that otherwise are on the street.

Yeah, that's awesome. And where can people donate to that now? Yeah. It's Relief Recovery Foundation. dot org you know there's definitely uh ways to donate we're going to have a lot of things coming up this year we have a golf outing um in july which will be cool i'm running in london and new york marathons we'll have teams out for that awesome you know we're just about like community i'm sure i'm going to start doing some like group runs in the park and people can roll through and it's not just like

for me you know my passion is like it's just not it's not about just like being sober like that's to like that's to each his own you know and I just listened to actually Dax Shepard he did McLemore like they did a podcast and like I really encourage anyone who's like curious about this whole thing to listen to because they kept it so real and they didn't put recovery in like this bullshit box that so many people do like it's like we're just people that are like trying to do the best we can and like help some people and sober to me is like I don't do drugs and I don't drink. Like sober to someone else might mean something else and that's okay.

You know, that's not my business. Whatever somebody wants to do is what they want to do. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm pumped. It's fun. That's awesome. And you said, you know, obviously doing all of that and being in this new relationship,

Tasia is obviously doing her thing too. She hasn't been here as much. You guys are doing the distance thing. How has that been? Like, how have you guys, how do you guys stay connected? I mean like a lot of this. Yeah, yeah. You know, a lot of FaceTime, a lot of phone calls, a lot of text messaging.

You know, it's hard at times naturally, you know, because, you know, if I'm on a heater and like I'm whatever, busy doing whatever I'm doing for a couple days and she's got the same thing going, it's like the relationship almost can like feel like it's not the priority. And I say that in the most like loving way because, you know. No, it's like you have a list of all these things to do and like talk to Tasia, it becomes like one. of the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like where it's not, but it is, just there's so many other things going on.

I guess is what I'm making. And I think that happens with all relationships, everybody, you know, like we both have boyfriends and we're busy and we're running around and it's like, oh, forgot to text and see what's going on. Right. So trying to have grace with each other and like,

that's it. You know, but we're going to be, like I said, reconnected soon and so I'm pumped about that. And it's all good. Good, good. And exciting things. things this summer and see what you guys are doing with release recovery is really awesome. Is there anything else you want to? I'm trying to. I think that you, I think we covered it.

I think that it's so weird because we talked about it's so much during the show that I'm like almost forget everything that like, I'm like, no, I ended so well for you guys. Yeah, it did. It ended really well for you guys. And I think we covered the cheating thing, which was my number one thing that I talked about. And also, no, we're good on that. We're good on that now. But also the, you talking about your addiction and rehab and stuff was a conversation we genuinely really loved and we talked about it on the podcast. So I was, like I said, I just thought that that was like admirable. Did I say that right? I feel like I stumbled over my word there. Admirable. Admirable. Yes, exactly. But thank you so much for coming in. We really appreciate it.

I appreciate it. What do you got tomorrow night? What do you got? Come on, give me two seconds on the draft. We're doing, well, one, oh, the draft have already happened. I think the Eagles are taking a cornerback. I think they're going to take horn or, if horn doesn't go, I think they're taking horn. And if not, I would sneaky would kind of love Michael Parsons. If they don't do that. I just don't think these wide receivers are going to be there.

I think they're like, ah, one of them might be there. I don't think one of them is going to be there. Yeah. What do you think, Zach? I mean, I'm just always worried about how we're trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Like I could see them trading back. I mean, that was a lot of the buzz today about them trading back. And, you know, one of these teams trading up to get a quarterback.

But, I mean, if Devante Smith is there and, like, you have a highs and wider, like, just take them and stop. I hope they take them. But I'll be surprised. Yes, guys. Totally. Totally. Are you out on sports? You're no good.

No, I'm not out on sports. I'm just, like, not. First of all, football is not my favorite sport at all. And I'm not, like, a Philly fan. so you know and you're so I'm like so fascinated by you guys I know like we're up here but like yeah now Zach's an interview us yeah how did you end up I mean like we dropped out of college yeah I started as interns yeah well we both started to hear that story like it's oh they've heard it well the funny thing is people always ask us they're like can you tell the story about how you

got hired because when new listeners come in they're like we haven't heard it but long story short is I started when I was 19 as an intern here. I was going to school at FIT, which was down the block from our old office at the time. We were on that same street. And, well, actually, it's now literally right across the street here too. I was like, wait, what? But I went to high school with somebody who works here at Clenny Balls. And I just hit him up being like, congrats, because he got an internship. And then within a week, he was like, well, they don't have any girls here besides Erica, who's the CEO. They want to just moved to New York. Yeah, they just moved to they were like well they want some girls so I came in and just started right from there and

six months later I came in smitty hired me yeah I just loved like I followed smitty for philly stuff and so he had tweeted out like he was looking for an intern um I was like the only one that actually like applied he email me back and was like you're one of the only people who sent him resume and because all these kids were like hey smitty fuck you yeah it's pretty sad honestly um so I came in in one morning sat down with them. They were doing like a morning show at the time and they were like, you're hired. I started that day and then that was it.

We were the only girls here. I said you guys were fucking kicking ass. I mean seriously they like cut the college because I've done a lot of speaking to colleges right because they want to say like they need to hear your guys story like truly. We've been asked before and we're always like do you want to hear from us though

because we didn't graduate? Yeah we always say we're like we are not the best people to talk to colleges because we dropped out and everybody's going to hear our story. Hey, just fucking drop. Everybody's going to hear our story and be like, all right, I'm out of here. They'll just walk out of the auditorium. I have the people drop out anyway.

I know, I know. Yeah, true. Good point. It's true. Well, thank you so much for coming in. This has been a blast. It's been great meeting you in person. And we hope to see more of you.

I don't know, you know, you and Tisha are good right now, so I don't know if we'll see you on any more of The Bachelor shows. You got to bring Tasha back. Yeah, we do follow along on Instagram. We'll be looking forward to your reconnection. I know everybody's looking forward to that. Cool. Not. Maybe we'll see you guys running. We personally don't run, but we are good cheerleaders.

Yeah, I'm out about it. We'll run in. I mean, it always happens. I'll see you guys next week. Yeah. Once you meet in New York, it's like, yeah, all the time. It's big city, but also small. Yeah. Thank God for the masks. That's like safe. Yeah. All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. We hope you guys enjoyed it, and we hope you have a fantastic weekend. We will talk to you all on Monday. Love you. Bye. You know,