Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 1 - The Amityville Horror

Episode Date: February 4, 2018

The 1st episode of the Chilluminati Podcast is here! We dissect and discuss one of the most famous haunting in the world, The Amityville Horror.

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You know what we need for this podcast? We need, like, um, some creepy fucking, like, opening. It's, like, old-timey computers, and you hear, like, paper, like, printing, and it's like, you've been inducted to the Chilluminati podcast. And then it's, like, weird noises and shit. I hope whatever you create is awesome. No, I'm not going to. It's gonna be noises with my mouth.

That's all it's gonna be. I'm gonna be leaning into my mic. I might be like, beep, boop, boop, pop. Yeah, you don't need, like, a... Yeah, welcome to the Chilluminati podcast. Episode one. Welcome, welcome, everybody, to the inaugural Episode One Chilluminati podcast with myself, Jesse Cox, and Alex Fasciani.

How's it going, boys? I'm feeling great today. I feel amazing. I had a big-ass donut. I feel awful about the donut, but I feel good in my heart, and that's what's important. I went to get coffee this morning, and realized that at seven in the morning,

there is nobody alive in LA. No one is awake at seven on a Saturday. I was gonna say, on a Saturday, no way, dude. It was me and the ghost of dead celebrities. Which we'll get into in a future episode. The haunted LA. That would be so funny. For those who don't know, the Chilluminati podcast

is something kind of, we brain-cooked up. Alex and I are pretty heavily into weird conspiracy, haunting, alien, unsolved mystery murders kind of thing, and Jesse likes to be a skeptic, which is great, because we all can't be crazy when doing this kind of thing. Yeah, no, I think you two are weirdos, but I'm involved. It's nice to be the crazy one for once, to be just like, yeah, I like that.

Are you telling me at some point, Alex, you're not the crazy one? Yeah, it's nice to come out of my shell a little bit, and do something really out there for once, you know? Right, right. Yeah, definitely a totally new thing for you. Yeah, this is really outside the box for me, not on brand at all, so I'm excited to see how it goes. When I thought about it this, I was like,

Jesse and Alex would be like the perfect two. If they're into it, this would be great. I can't wait to do this a million times. I hope we get to do it a million times. We plan on covering here on the podcast basically everything weird. Hauntings and all that stuff from all the way to UFOs which is a personal favorite topic of mine.

That's a deep rabbit hole, my dude. Dude, you don't even know. That is a deep rabbit hole. I read a book in high school talking about the alien beings that don't come from space, but come from an alternate dimension. That's like 40% of the whole alien... Yeah, it is. It's crazy.

That's what's jumping ahead of ourselves. We'll get there at some point when we talk about it, but for the inaugural episode, I figured it'd be a good idea to do something that maybe something everybody's heard of or at least in passing via books or movies and to talk about kind of the legend behind it and then what the truth behind it is,

and that is the Amityville horror. The haunting that happened in 1975 in Amityville, which was preceded by a pretty mass murder in the house. It's also, I think, coincidentally, when we first get introduced to famed or infamous paranormal investigators, the Warrens, who are kind of behind a lot of weirdly hoax-ish hauntings that they've made a lot of money off of.

Yeah, is there like a movie about them or something? That is such an interesting story, those guys. I don't know if there's a movie about them in particular, but they're in a lot of movies. What was the movies that came out recently like about... Yeah, there was the paranormal investigators and they had a sequel where they were in England, too.

Yeah, so actually that's fun because the England one is actually based off of a real haunting called the Enfield Poltergeist, which, unlike Amityville, is way more credible. And the Warrens were only there for a day in real life, but for some reason in the movie, they're there the whole time. But that's not how it actually went down. So the Warrens are the people in these movies?

Yeah, the Warrens are the paranormal investigators being represented. It's a husband and wife duo that's made a butt-ton of money off of going to haunted places and basically being like, they're haunted! Are they still alive? Yeah, they're still alive. They have like a museum and a website and all this stuff of which their website looks like it's straight out of 1995.

That space jam look? It's awful. It's like GeoCity's style website, something I would have whipped together back in the early 2000s when I was... Wait, whoa, whoa, there's a real Annabelle? Timeout! Yes, yes.

There's a real Annabelle doll that they have in their possession. It is at the Warrens Occult Museum in Monroe, Connecticut. Yep. Which is right near me, actually. Timeout. First off, they say it's a Raggedy Ann doll, which is hilarious. But secondly, if this is a

paranormal possessed evil doll that tries to kill you, why are they like, yeah, throw it in our house museum? Listen, man, they've got it in a glass case. It can't escape. Sure. Okay. Unless they learn how to open doors. Which, according to some hauntings, happens all the time.

There's another haunted doll that... I can't remember his name. It's like Ricky or Rich or some weird name. Chuckie. No, no. Chuckie. But there's another one that, like, apparently if you see, he's being held in some museum,

and in order to take a picture or videotape him, you have to ask for his permission first, and if you don't, he'll haunt you forever. Does he go like, okay. I don't know. I think you have to just, like, ask him. You may. Yes, you may.

And how does he haunt you? Like, just bad things happen. Like, he just, like, in your house, doors open and close. So bad luck is a haunting? Listen, there's... The rules for hauntings don't make sense. I'm just putting it out there.

I agreed. That's a whole, like, let's a whole another rabbit hole that we can get down at some point. The only rabbit hole we're going to go on today, though, is the Amityville Horror Rabbit Hole, which is a surprisingly deep rabbit hole, but not for the reasons you would expect. So what we're going to do is we're going to start

with the legend of Amityville, what we know had happened, and then the following hauntings that were kind of reported by the family that moved in thereafter. And then we're going to go through the haunting and talk about kind of the truth behind it all, because spoilers, if you've done any research on Amityville, it's one of the biggest hoaxes

known to man, and it is one of the funniest hoaxes. It's crazy. I mean, like... It is. It's a mix of... It's a mix of so many... I always hear different parts of this story, and I'm like, what story is that?

And then it's like, oh, it's Amityville again. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, one of the things that we're going to get into as well as the Amityville thing happened, or when the hauntings came out, this is also during a time where the exorcist had just come out and was causing a fever pitch among the people

who loved ghost stories, and a lot of the claims sound very similar to the movie. Yeah. The exorcist. My dad used to talk about how that movie blew his mind. He always... That's one of his big stories. One of the greatest movies to ever exist.

It was really popular in the general consciousness, too. Everybody was talking about this. Everybody was talking about it, and it was one of the big reasons Amityville got so popular, too, which, again, we'll talk about because it happened shortly after exorcist had been around. So there was that, like I said, that fever pitch that kind of created this perfect storm

for this family to maybe, maybe not make a ton of money scamming the shit out of people. Anyway, let's get into the facts of it. And again, warning. This is going to be getting into some semi-dark stuff. So if you're not into that, I mean, that's what this podcast is going to be about. The film is called The Amityville Horror.

Get out now if you're going to be upset. Right, yeah, exactly. Just throw it out there, man. Just throw it out there. All right. Let's start with some facts. Starting with 6.30 p.m. on November 13th in 1974, a man by the name of Ron DeFeo

entered Henry's Bar in Amityville, shouting to everybody nearby, you got to help me. I think my mother and father, Gun Dunbin, shot. Gun Dunbin? That's exactly how he said it. Is that an Amityville accent? I don't know.

I don't think it is, but it is now. Oh, jeez. They don't bun shot. They done bun shot. They done bun shot. So then DeFeo and a small group of people from the bar went to his home, the now legendary 112 Ocean Avenue,

which later would be renamed 108 Ocean Avenue from people who moved in after, because they wanted to change the number. I guess. Which was located near the bar and found that DeFeo's parents and family were indeed all shot dead. Faced down in their beds.

One of the group, DeFeo's friend, Joe Yeswit, made an emergency call to the police who searched the house and found that all six members of the same family were dead in their beds, shot in the head. Damn. We know that that's true. That actually happened.

That is crazy. He went running into the bar, shouting, like, my family's been shot. Shortly after that, the police came by and actually took DeFeo into custody to keep him safe. DeFeo claimed that it was an act of a hitman from the mob, which we'll talk about later

about why he's claiming a mob hitman came and shot them all. The police took him into the police station to keep him safe. While he was there, though, and asking him what happened, it was really quickly apparent that his story couldn't stay consistent. And he was shortly thereafter,

locked up after confessing that he was the one who shot them all. But his excuse was that a demonic voice had told him to do it, and that once he started, or in his words, once I started, I just couldn't stop. It went so fast. It's done, bun, went so fast.

It done, band, gone, done so fast. The Amityville House saw the mass murder using a .35 Marlin rifle is what he used to murder his entire family while they were asleep, which included his four siblings and his parents. 23 years old? Holy. At 23 years old.

Wow. Now, it is important to note, which we could talk about later, that DeFeo, Ron DeFeo was also known to use LSD and heroin pretty regularly. Well, there's a culprit. LSD pretty regularly? I guess so.

He's known to imbibe heroin and LSD, which may or may not lead to the quote-unquote voices he may have been hearing. I don't know. I've never done LSD or heroin, so I can't tell you that. I can't report back from that. I got no experience there. He claims that voices had been telling him

to commit the atrocious acts while he was downstairs in his basement watching a movie, but over time in prison his story has changed many, many, many times. However, a little over a year after the murders were committed on January 19th, 1975, the Lutz family moved in and got a really, really good deal on that house.

So did they know? Yes, they did know. They were like, we're going to move into this, like, multiple-murder LSD demon house? Yes, they knew from the start that this was a murder place, which is why they got it on the cheap, because it was the site of a grisly murder.

Basically, they talked to each other, the family talked to each other, and agreed that they could handle it, and that it would be fine, and it was a really good deal, and they all moved in a little over a year later on January 19th, 1975. So a year and like two months, almost to the day, they moved in, and that's where the haunting began.

Now, it's important to note that the Lutz has actually only lived in that house just under a month. Like, they showed up and they were like, no. It was December 19th, by the way, sorry, not January 19th, but they lived there for just under a month from December 19th to January 14th, and then they moved out immediately,

leaving everything that they owned behind and had movers come pick it up the next day. Okay. So, they only were there for about a month. So, their claims... Do we know, going back to the DeFeo murders? Yes. Before we get into like the crazy stuff.

The crazy shit, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do we know why he shot his entire family besides the voices? Have there ever been, was there any sign of like, there were issues with his parents, or he, besides heavy drug use, was... There's a lot of things here that don't make sense to me, and I'm really... It seems like none of this makes sense.

Like, he has a gun that is very loud. That is a loud gun. Right. So, that's actually something we can get into if you want to do that now, is... Yeah. Like, why is everyone face down the bed? Were they moved face down the bed?

Right. So, here's the thing. The thing is, you can't get a straight story out of DeFeo. Once he was in prison, his story changed to like nine... I think the actual count is nine different stories he's told as to why he did it, and how he did it. Everything from voices that he heard, which, surprise, surprise, was the main reason

he got the insanity plea that he was pleading for. That's exactly what I was going to say, is did he talk to a lawyer before or after he said he started hearing voices? Because if I murdered my whole family, I would be like, how can I get out of this? And I can imagine a lawyer just being like, just act crazy.

Sorry. Right. And he did. And that was... He actually did get the insanity plea that he got that. He got charged for second degree murder, was put into an institution for 25 years to life. He'll never be out of there.

I think he's in life. And he never got out. Now, the thing is, the stories are all over the place. So, obviously, we have the demon voice telling him to murder things. There's also the story that he and his sister did it together, that his sister was super pissed at her parents for not letting her move out and move in with her boyfriend.

So, one night, while they were drinking in the basement, came up with a plan to kill the whole family. And you make a good point too, Jesse, is that that gun that he used is incredibly loud. So loud that it should be able to be heard many, many blocks away, but nobody heard anything. And one of the things that he said, or the people, paranormal investigators,

who believe the story, say, is the reason nobody heard anything is because demonic energies stifled the noises of the guns being used. Demonic silencer? Yeah, like a demonic. Like a possessed silencer? Satan was like, shh. I get to see, like, fire poofs up and Satan steps out. And he's like, all right, Defeo, I brought you your silencer.

Stab at them, Defeo. No, I want to use my gun. Oh, fine. Let me get my silencer. So, yeah, it says here, I'm reading into it. It says here that Don, his sister, wanted to kill the parents because they wouldn't, yeah, you're right. Maybe they were just mad because their names were Ron and Don,

and that's, like, really annoying. And so, apparently, she killed the kids, and he was furious, so he killed her? Yes. So, like, the story is, he killed the parents, she killed the kids, he was mad that she killed the kids, so then he shot her. And there's also evidence with the bodies as well that some of them were awake when they were shot,

that there was, like, a movement or a struggle, and the bodies were moved after they were shot to be put in the bed to make it look like they were all asleep. All right, that makes more sense then. Okay, all right. I believe these two were probably crazy people. It's just a murder fest that got fucked up really fast. Yeah.

But there's also the reason the mob was brought up is because his grandfather was actually part of the mob. And, again, supposedly, this is another story, is that the reason he went to jail, and he's the only one taking the rap, is because his grandfather apparently knew that he and his sister were having some incestuous relationships, and that couldn't get out.

It tarnished his name in the mob. So he was like, you're going to prison. You know, we're putting this on you. It doesn't matter. You're going away. And that doesn't seem more likely than putting all these stories together. Right. If I had to take a crazy wild guess,

he probably was, don't you think it could have been like, he was definitely banging his sister. And then she was like, I want to move my boyfriend, wink. I wouldn't say definitely. The parents are like, no. I wouldn't say definitely. He's definitely banging his sister. 100% banging his sister.

And then she was like, I want to move my boyfriend, wink. And he's like, yeah, I'll help you move your boyfriend. The parents are like, you two are the worst. Stop it. You're on drugs, and you're creepy. No. And then she's like, if I can't be in love with my brother, I'm going to kill my parents.

And he's like, I'll help you, acid. Well, I was going to say, he's like, I'll help you. Hang on. Let me go take my Satan talking juice. Let me just talk to the devil real quick. Let me go get my demonic silencer. And then because he's caught up in the whole thing, she's really the crazy one.

She's like, we're going to do this. She kills the kids too, because she's like, no witnesses. And he's like, look what you do, oh no. And then he kills her. I can imagine she's like, grandpa's in the mob. Grandpa's in the mob, Ronnie. No witnesses. You heard him say it before.

Remember when you said you got Jesse on the show because he was the skeptic? Now we're like hot taking like step by step. I'm just saying, there's got to be a logical reason, even though my reasons are insane. There's got to be a logical, it's Sherlockian reason for this. Like there's a simple answer here. Occam's razor.

Occam's razor. Maybe he's schizophrenic. And that's also possible. That just happened with that slender man girl. She just got sentenced to 40 years in a mental institution. Because she heard, she like talked to slender man. And he was like, you have to kill to like get into the slender mansion. Yeah.

That documentary is fast. That is some crazy shit. But like, yeah, the idea that these, these two girls found each other and they both fed off each other's like own neuroses. Yeah. The point where they're like, yeah, this, this, it's crazy. Cause they, even they say it, we learned it on this page called creepypasta. Yeah.

And we know it's an internet story, but we don't want slender man to kill us. Like they know it's not real, but at the same time, don't know it's not real. Once one of them is schizophrenic, like it, you know, it stops being just fake. Like she kind of like also it's real a little bit because she's actually talking to and seeing slender man. You know, right? Oh, it's, it's, it's a fascinating look at, at when you learned about the parents, you learned about their history with mental illness and you're like, wow, this is, it's incredible. And the fact that the little girl survived definitely go, it's on Netflix.

Go watch it. No, it's HBO. HBO. HBO. But yeah, go watch it on there. It's great. But like, I can see it being real up to, I could see it all being real up to like, I don't know about the hauntings, but like, I could see it just being like, I heard voices, I couldn't stop once I started

killing everybody. I could see it. Yeah. I can too. I could definitely see it. And again, we're going to get into the hauntings here momentarily. Like every, while there are a lot of haunting stuff out there that I would, I would, I would love to cover that's way more believable and has way more evidence.

This is one of the ones that has a tragic story behind it and then gets into like silly Hollywood nonsense movie haunting stuff that the, that the Lutsis claim, which, which we can get into like right now. So the Lutsis move in, in December 19th, 1975, they're there for just under a month before they move out claiming that the place is horrendously haunted, that a lot of people have claimed that Amityville is like a gateway to hell because of the horrible things that happened in that house. And when they moved in, they say immediately weird things started happening. Like day one, day two after moving in, him, his wife and his two children had, or three

children rather had weird things happening to them. Simple things like that's typical haunting stuff. Like they claim that they would have a fire burning day in and day out because of how cold the house was, that no matter what they did, the house stayed ice cold and they could not bring the temperature up. The garage door would open and shut on its own, a knife. Now I tried to question, question, question. Yeah.

Yeah. Go right ahead. Where does this take place? Where's Amityville? Amityville is, I want to say New England, I'll double check real quick because that's something I need to share. Just, I mean, and when do they move in? 1975.

One year, like one year later. January. Long Island, Long Island, New York. Yeah. And they moved in December, because I wrote it down wrong. They moved in December 19, 1975. And how old is this house? Well, they had the house, the DeFeo family had the house since 1965.

They were living there for almost 10 years before the murders happened. And the house existed before 1965? It definitely looks like from what I've seen of it. It looks older, but I don't know how much the one that I've seen is like conflated with like a movie version. Yeah. There's like, just putting this out there, just putting this out there. It was new in 1965.

Oh, okay. It was a new 1965. Yeah. That's what I'm looking at. Yeah. I'm just putting this out there. A house built in New England in December or January. And they're like, we had a fire burning, but it was so cold.

That just sounds like New England. Yeah. I'm staring out my window right now. Every time I've been to New England. Living in New England, there's snow outside right now. That's what I'm saying. And it hasn't snowed here in like three weeks, and there's still piles of snow outside. The garage door opens and shuts on its own?

Yeah. That sounds like bad wiring. That doesn't sound like ghosts. Well, then we get into some of the weirder things, like a knife. Now I did try to research it, but everything it says is like a knife. So I don't know if they meant a specific knife, but would constantly repeatedly get knocked over in the kitchen. It's a really vindictive poltergeist. Right.

That's part of me hopes that they mean like this night. Yeah. Yeah. Part of me hopes that they mean that like it is just one knife, like a very specific knife that that the ghost just hated or really wanted to like cut up some vegetables and he's his incorporeal form just would not allow him to hold on to it for too long. Oh, shit. Just off. Oh, shit. I swear.

I felt the handle in my hand and all the demons around. I was like, next time, man, you'll get it. It happens 30 times in five minutes. The knife is knocked over. I got to go talk to the kids upstairs and tell them demonic things. So you keep trying. I'll be back when you're ready. Can you grab my silencer?

Go get my demon silencer. I'll be I'll be right back. Then we get into the more weird shit. So George said he would wake up 315 a.m. on the dot almost every morning and that coincides specifically with when apparently the murderers took place when when Ron DeFeo murdered everybody in the house. These are too cool. These like that's a that's too cool of a detail. Right. Oh, dude, it gets cooler.

So he would also say he would wake up and see his wife next to him levitating off of the bed. Zero to 60. That is a knife getting knocked over to his wife like levitating. No way. That's crazy. But apparently his sons would see each other levitating in bed as well in another room completely. I want to know like why ghosts want to levitate people just to just to screw with us. I think just be like, hey, man, no, you're not on your bed anymore.

You would think you'd also wake up. Dude, dude, you want to see something funny? Grab his arms. Grab his arms. Grab. I'll grab his legs. Just like lift him off the bed. I can't think of any other reason why somebody would do that or they're doing like Cirque du Soleil and like the kids are like the barrel.

I don't know. I don't know why they would do it. Cirque du Soleil ghosts. They're just like in their night. It's again 1970s. So they're in like their 1970s onesie acrobat outfit. That's exactly what I'm imagining. And they're just picking up the kids.

And then in the count of three, John over here is going to leap over the child. And then he's going to knock over the knife. And then in less than 10 seconds, he's going to appear in the kitchen and knock over a knife. All the demons are like, oh, very nice. This is good. This is wonderful. This is great. I'm glad I came.

How much did you pay? Three souls to get in. Oh, solid. Yeah. That's a good deal. You would see getting levitating in bed. Other things that would happen. A pig like demon creature with glowing red eyes would stare down at George and his son Daniel from a window.

I would never enter the home again. I would go to the police and never enter the home again if a pig creature was there. Right. And apparently his daughter named that pig creature and called it one of her good friends, like an invisible friend. Yikes. And it would just stand and stare at her outside. They apparently also saw that same creature, him and his son, outside when they were outside,

walking back into the house, outside of the daughter's window on the second floor, staring at her through the window. Oh, my God. Right? At that point, why would you be like, all right, well, we should probably go wake up Jane. She's got that creature staring at her again. Yeah. I don't understand how, if all this is happening.

Right. If I saw any of this, can I tell you something? I, years ago, after I had saw the movie Ring, I or the Ring or Ringu or whatever you wanted to call it, I was, I was in Ohio at the time. I went to bed one night for, you know how you can turn the TV off or the cable off. Yeah. And leave one of them on. Sure.

I actually turned the cable off, went to bed, woke him up a little night and there was a glow coming from the TV room. Oh boy. I almost, I almost got in a car and just got away. Until I realized it was just like the blue screen that said, no, no cable service or whatever it said. It's funny how like those classic movie moments are just like, you can just mess up a little bit and then like, accidentally perfectly create it. Yeah. I just, I just, I would have been gone.

If that was what I'm saying, I would have been out. Now, now to their credit, they did leave after a few weeks, but they like the first, because the way they talk about it, it sounds like that they've seen this, they see this creature multiple times. Literally this reads. The first time you see a demon pig with red eyes. I'm out. I'm out. There is no like, we'll give him a chance.

He could be a good guy. This literally, it reads like a treatment. That is a demon pig. It's like a movie treatment. Like there's no, like this literally. Right. Like it seems so, of course this is fake, you know. Exactly.

I can just imagine walking in and the demon creature is the one cutting up like the veggies with the knife. Yeah. He's like doing the ghost of favor. It's ridiculous. So what do you want for dinner? Oh, I was, I was going to make spaghetti, but it looks like you're working on a salad. So that's fine. That salad works.

They have like, like, like communication issues. Right. Right. Well, I mean, I speak English. He speaks demonic ease. Yeah. And this just, you know, some kind of some conversation. I don't have the special drugs.

I don't have the drugs that DeFeo was using to communicate with this guy. Yeah. That hardcore LSD heroine combo. Right. God. Other things that happened in this household other than the pig demon creature, they claim that they had a priest come over and to bless the house, not exercise the house, mind you, just bless the house.

And when the priest was done, he heard a voice shout, get out and told the family to never sleep in a certain room in the house. Didn't couldn't figure out what room he was talking about, by the way. And the priest then immediately after got flu like symptoms and began to bleed from his hands. And then he fell down a giant staircase. I just, I just, I have so many questions. Why would like.

Does this then debunk the idea of exorcisms if the priest couldn't do anything? Well, remember, like I said, he, they didn't ask him to do an exorcism. He just came to bless the house. There is a difference. That's because they didn't want it to be like, if they did an exorcism, it'd be like, all right, it's done. And right. Like the ghost is gone.

We can't do anything about it anymore. So my question is, it does, instead of it disproving exorcisms, why didn't they just, if they was so bad, why didn't they have him exercise the house? Right. Exactly. I just liked it. Someone told him to get out. Like, it's literally, it's literally Eddie Murphy bit, like verbatim.

Oh, really? Like a ghost saying get out and then just leaving the house immediately straight up. Well, all right. Bye. Yeah, I'm out. See you later. Other things, your tip. Other typical haunting things, a strange odor would permeate the house constantly and no

matter what they did, they couldn't get rid of it as well as flies always in the house and sometimes swarming, which is a typical in haunting thing is a typical like demonic presence type of thing where. Yeah, but that also could be because there's a strange odor permeating the house constantly and it's probably like on Long Island decomposing something. Yes, this is Long Island, New York. Yeah. It's pretty like humid, kind of over there, kind of swampy.

Not in December. Not in December. Yes. I guess so. Hold on. There were flies in December. Yes. This all happened between December and January, literally within a three and a half week period.

That's it. So it's snowing. All of this. It's snowing and there's flies. That's what they're saying. This is like getting blasted through. Scientifically impossible. That is not, it's not possible.

Flies cannot exist in that cold climate. But that's why it's demonic, Jesse, because it's paranormal. It could be the bullshit. Did you say the bullshit? The bullshit. It could be the bullshit. The bullshit. We're going to get into the bullshit part here in a little bit here.

Other things that they said they saw that he went out one day and saw demonic hoof prints outside in the snow. What's the difference? Now, I don't know how you determine if hoof prints are demonic or not. Specifically. They were on fire. Yes, flies literally die in the winter. They become inactive and die.

That's like the way it works. If there were actually flies, here's my thought. That smell was coming from like a fucking lost can of spam that somebody opened left. Absolutely. And that's how flies can live though. During the winter, they just like chill out with all the gross decaying matter. And then they come out in the summer. Yep.

That is possible. That is a very funny detail to be the one that blows this whole case wide open. Well, what blows this case wide open is coming in a bit here. Levitating wild. We'll see. Pig like creature. We'll see flies in the winter time. No, this is fake.

No, no. No flies would be dead in the winter time. What the hell? I'm just saying the other things you can't disperse flies in the winter time. That's true. That's just sign. There's nowhere to look up the pig creature. Yeah.

Pig demon. That's right. Well, like the pig demon reminds me of like the isn't it is saw the movie. Yeah. Straight out of the pig mask. I'm like that's what I in my head. That's what I'm picturing the game over screen from Zelda. Like just like that.

Like Ganon. You have Zelda too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm seeing. That's my best friend Ganon. He hangs out in my window all the time.

Would you? I tell him my deepest darkest secrets. Now that now if the little girl said that's my friend. That's my secret invisible friend Ganon. Then my mind would be off. I'd be like she predicted Ganon. That would be messed up. That would be.

Oh, then I would be like, all right, this is real. This is real. Well, then I would be like, it's not a haunting. She's just psychic. Yeah. She just loves gaming. She's just a gamer before gaming. She becomes Miyamoto somehow.

Precog. Yeah. Right. It's crazy. So yeah, the demonic hoof prints out in the snow outside. He said he saw. Time out. Time out.

Time out. Time out. Why are there hoof prints in the snow? Demonic hoof prints. Demons were prancing around him. Demons were walking around outside. Wait, if the demons can float up to the second floor window, why do they need to walk? It's like a Mr. Tumnus, like sort of like Pagan cavorting with the pan flute and the

little sprig in the hair. Well, how do we know he's demonic? How do we know they aren't just panned? That's true. Delightful panned. That's true. Inviting the children out to a Bacchanal. That's why they did.

It's not a demonic pig creature. It's like a fairy. It's an invitation to Bacchanal. Yeah. She's like, come play with me. Bacchanal. My favorite word. Yeah.

Oh man. See, we're getting to the real bottom of it. It's not demons. It's fairy creatures. It's great. Yeah. Other things that have been detailed is that damage to the doors, like the doorknobs, hardware and locks were completely damaged and ruined from the ghost constantly opening and slamming

the doors. Is it verifiable this detail? We'll get to that. Okay. We'll get to that when we get to the truth. Other things, this is like straight SpongeBob. And green ooze will come through the wall. So green ooze would permeate the walls in the floor regularly.

So that could be, that could be what the smell was. That's probably rotten. And that's what the flies want. This is too many. This is too many things. Dude, all right. And I want to point this out. Like I'm going through this list.

I'm going through this list and I had to cut a bunch of the things that they claimed happened in this house because I could have two pages of just, here's the weird shit that they claimed happened. Wait, in the like three or four weeks they were there, all this happened. Yes. This happened in three and a half weeks. If it was all of it. This must have been, if the, like imagining this in reality, it's like the, that scene

in Ghostbusters with the refrigerator. But like for three months there's like nothing that, I couldn't do that for an hour. I just don't get it. No, dude, I'm like, I've had, if any of this like hardcore haunting stuff even happened one time to me, whatever I was, I'd be a mile and a half away in my car. Like within a minute, I'd be out so fast. But apparently, I don't like, you know, none of this is real anyway, but I'm just, I want to criticize them as like, brighters, you know?

Right. But this is, this is the problem I have with all ghost haunting stories. Yeah. Every single one is, these terrible, terrible things happened. It was wild, stuff flies around, ghosts are watching me pee, whatever. And then when someone goes to interview these people and they're just like, well, you know, we're kind of sharing the house with the ghost. Don't you, don't you understand?

The ghost was there before us. So we can't leave because, you know, we are learning from this ghost. Like the ghost is learning from like BS excuses as to why they would still be in this terrible situation because it's like, I would, I would, I would believe, I would believe somebody on the news so much more if they were like, it's awful. I hate it. I never get to sleep. I'm so scared all the time.

Like, you never see that. Like I should leave right now. I shouldn't live here. I moved my family into a hotel. It is terrible. You never see those. There are, those exist, those kinds of hauntings exist and those are the ones that are more believable in my opinion than this kind of stuff where the dude is, the family is living

here. Again, keep in mind too, outside of George and his wife, they've got kids. If this is happening, this is actually happening and floating and kids are being like tormented and floated and haunted by demon creatures. Who cares about yourself? Get your kids out of there. Exactly. You'd be a parent.

Right. I, well, whatever. What happens next? That's okay. So here's my favorite one. Okay. This is like, this is ridiculous. So George claims he would see his wife before his very eyes transform into an old woman,

old woman, not old women. That'd be weird, but an old woman with wrinkled skin, hair in the face of a 90 year old and all. All right. Time out again. We've established this house was built in 1965. That is correct. Where the old lady, there was no old lady that lived there before.

So where's the old lady go? There's another claim I didn't write down, but I was going to touch on in the truth. There's another claim that the house was built on top of an Indian burial ground. Oh boy. All right. I'm going, I'm going to stop you there. My parents for what, what I left for college, my parents moved out of our hometown in Ohio and went to Louisville, Kentucky.

Lincoln, Kentucky. They lived in a place called pot like on it was called Indian Hills. Okay. He lived on Pawnee trail. Pawnee trail is the intersection. I'm just going to lay out some stuff for you. Yeah, please do between the Zachary Taylor national cemetery, a civil war cemetery, Indian Hills, which is literally like Indian burial grounds and Locust Grove, which is an old

plantation. If anyone should have had goats, it should have been my parents. No, man. No, your parents weren't ghosts. Your parents didn't have their third eye open. They were not sensitive to the paranormal. No, no, you don't say my parents. What are the, what are the rooms that I slept in, in their house was that, so they made

all the different rooms of the house like a different theme because whatever reason, one was a blue room, one was a yellow room in the yellow room. They put up paintings that they got at a garage sale and every one of the paintings literally looked like a painting you would see in a house that was trying to kill you. And still I slept in this room and besides having an uncomfortable night's sleep on the terrible bed they had in there, I never had any problems because it's all BS. If I, if I was a ghost, why would I hang around and piss off some fat kid in a yellow room? It sounds like you just, I would just imagine your parents being like, all right, Jesse,

now we're going to have you sleep in this little room with all these pictures. Now don't mind them. They look like they want to murder you, but we're just trying to see if ghosts are going to come around and haunt the crap out of you. It is, I just, I just, I'm more inclined to believe that there is a scientific or some sort of like an echo, like a, like some sort of crazy echo thing of, of something that happened in the past. Like a recorded energy kind of thing.

Well, have you heard? I'd be more inclined to like go down that path than like a ghost did it. Which again, I think, I don't know. I don't believe any of it. Have you heard of that frequency or whatever? Have you heard of that thing? When you come, when talking about hauntings, this is the intelligent kind of hauntings and then there's like the, what Jesse was talking about, like a recorded echo of what

happened there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's all kinds of different hauntings and I would be more inclined to believe that as well if there was anything happening, but I also don't think anything's happening in this house. Well, they were saying that there's like some like geothermal or like, like some sort of

like thing that happens in the earth, like plates moving or something or adjusting that like sends out these like very, very deep sounds that like make you feel like creepy stuff's happening. Oh. And like they vibrate your eyeballs even and like make you like see things moving around. And like that seems pretty like they measure like famous haunted places and they find these frequencies sometimes. It's interesting.

Yeah. I don't know. Listen, I'm down one day to go just go straight ghost hunting. I would go. I would do it, dude. I was talking to somebody about the house. Someone's got to be the guy who's like, fight me ghost. So I'll go.

Yeah. Right. You have to do it. I'll do it. Yeah. Someone's got to fight a ghost. It's going to be. Yeah.

Well, that's the weirdest one to seeing your wife transform into an old woman before her eyes. Like, what does she think about it? She like. Right. Yeah. Like you never hear anything about the wife. Like everything I read anyway, like maybe in some books that I just didn't get to read

because I just didn't have like, you know, forever on my hands. She talks a little bit more. But everything's for the most part, all the claims are coming from the husband, George. Even today, he doesn't deny. He still claims that this all happened, but we'll talk about why we think that isn't in the first place. Whoa. So if that happened on January 14th, 1976, the entire family moved out, completely leaving

everything they owned. However, the next day they had movers go by and pick it up. The movers reported zero paranormal activity while they were within the house, taking out all of the furniture. It wasn't extremely cold. No ooze. The doors. No ooze.

No flies. No knife. No doors. No knife. No knife was fine. No vegetable cutting demon. Knife was good. Nothing.

Nothing happened while they were there. However, in this time, as we were saying before, you have to remember that this is during a time where the Exorcist movie had come out and there was already a fever pitch for spooky stuff and haunted stuff. And they just saw the Exorcist and were like, we can make a buck off of this. We'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah.

Oh, this is exactly what this is. So, however, Amityville's like legend spread pretty quickly amongst other paranormal investigators and people who are into this stuff. So two months after the family moved out, a quote-unquote psychic slumber party happened where a bunch of psychics and paranormal researchers went to the house to look for evidence after hearing so much about it. And amongst those psychics that were there were none other than the infamous Warren couple who were there to feel demonic energies.

Now, the wife, Mrs. Warren, claims that she is a sensitive, that she is a psychic. And while she was there, she also claimed that the demon that was haunting the place is different for everybody. What? Yeah, that the demon, the way you react to the demon is different depending on who you are. Okay. Apparently.

All right. The Warrens are also the only people that have any photographs from that psychic place, from that rather haunted Amityville. And that's where the infamous scary spooky ghost boy photo comes from. Now I'm sure you've seen it. If you look it up, like ghost boy Amityville horror, you'll see the photo I'm talking about. It's pretty infamous and people claim it's one of the biggest pieces of evidence in paranormal research.

Oh, I'm looking up right now. You can see him. He's like looking over a banister with like glowing on. I've seen this picture. Yes. Most people have seen that picture in some way. The Warrens claim while they were there that they were shoved, they heard voices and felt an energy present within the house while they were there.

And then of course afterwards with the Warrens and the Lutzes, tons of books and movies, even as so much as what last year or the year before there was a new Amityville horror movie, were made about the haunting that happened in the Amityville in Long Island, New York. Now the house is owned by somebody. They now they changed the address and they don't claim anything is happening while they are there. But that is that is the legend of Amityville. That is what they claimed happened, why it happened, the murders and such.

Did you see the picture, Jesse of the boy looking over the banister? So, so according to the story, yes, a professional photographer, Gene Campbell set up a camera on the second floor and it took many, many, many, many, many photos on a row. Right? Yeah. And out of the many roles of film, only one frame showed the little boy. Correct. I would out of everything that is the most interesting thing to me.

The rest of it is is not like, I don't care about like the ghosts and the ghoulies. I'm interested in how that shot was taken. So they show the picture, like if you if you can find a picture of the boy that was killed in the in the shootings. Yeah. And you compare it to that ghost's face. This I've seen this, like there's like a almost like a meme looking image of it, someone that you can find probably on Google images.

And it's like you see the boy and he does like admittedly as much as I'm like very skeptical about the Amityville haunting in general. They look, it looks like the kid. Right. Well, and that that is what interests me and it's the rest of it. I'm kind of like meh. But this photo, however this was done, be it through like sly, sneaky ways or possibly something really creepy and weird.

I think this is the interesting thing. So photo alone is like there is a we're going to get to the picture. Because there is a debunk that's out there that talks about why that picture isn't necessarily of a ghost. But now we're going to we're going to go and we're going to shift gears a bit and talk about the truth of what happened at Amityville and Amityville. And again, if you guys want to know more, like there's, I was reading through like again, like fucking GeoCities websites about this stuff over the past week and stuff.

And there's so much to talk about as to the truth and the haunting and stuff. So if you want to know more, there's a lot more to learn. Feel free to go research it yourself. We're kind of giving you the highlights of what's going on here. So the truth is the murders did happen. DeFeo did murder his family or at least, you know, he was part of a murder conspiracy that happened there. He would change his story in prison about eight or nine different times.

In court, he did claim hearing voices to be to be used to get in the insanity plea. And it worked. He was sentenced for second degree murder and sentenced for 25 years to life and put in an institution because he got his insanity plea. We already talked about that. We know that. However, with the Lutz is moving in, one of the things to note is that why, you know, the question is, why would they make up all this haunting?

Well, when the Lutz has moved in at the time of the moving in, they were in a lot of financial trouble speculating, leading to speculation rather and motive that the whole haunted house thing was done so they can make money. And again, the exorcist was really popular right around then and hauntings were selling like hotcakes. So they made a lot of money off of the books and coming movies that would happen telling their quote unquote true story of the Amityville haunting. Oh, and you can also.

So yeah, that makes that makes a ton of sense. More importantly, it also makes sense why the Warrens, for example, would latch onto that free money. Yep. And the Warrens would do this a lot. So the Amityville is what made the Warrens famous within the paranormal community. And over the many years of them doing this, this is kind of what they would do. They would find really popular hauntings and then approach the people and be like, do you

want to make some money and like work with them and do things? Interesting. So one of the big things too is that a lot of people didn't believe what was happening. So one person, his name is Rick Moran, he was a big researcher, I know, I said the other thing when I was researching. He basically came at them with the nerd book and went in detail to find over one hundred different, what do you call it, discrepancies between what they claimed and the actual facts of what happened.

For instance, one of the claims, the demonic hoof prints that were found in the snow, couldn't have happened when they were happening there because while they lived there, it wasn't snowing. It never snowed while they lived. Why would they make a lie like that? That's what I think. I don't know. I'm more mad that these guys didn't do their homework.

I'm more mad. Right. I'm more mad that it's a bad hoax than that it's a hoax. Right. It's a dumb hoax. Yeah. To me, it sounds like when, imagine you're at a party and you meet a bunch of like really cool people and they start telling stories.

Oh, you get the one up out. Yeah. They start telling some amazing stories and you have no cool amazing stories. So you just start to lie. You get right. You're the one up or you have to one up them. Well, but it's also that idea of I start telling you guys a story about how this one time I went out to this party and, you know, it was pretty cool and I saw a celebrity there

and I think it's really going to impress you, but you're not impressed with a celebrity. So I'm like, oh, and also the president was there like that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. To me, this reads as like, yeah, there was like weird eyes. Oh, those eyes were like a pig man and there were demonic footprints.

And so everyone, you know, he keeps trying to up it so that more and more people become engaged with what, oh, this definitely, which explains to me why so much stuff happened because in order to get everyone interested, you had to BS a lot of stuff. Yep. So what else? Yep. It's like, what else? So other things.

Um, the claim that all the door handles and everything were destroyed or like manhandled and broken in a lot of ways, none of the actual door handles and hardware within the house was touched. How long would that take? It was all perfectly intact. How long would it take to fuck up the doors? You're going to move out and claim like, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like if you're going to run out and leave everything behind, take a screwdriver and

a hammer and just like, maybe bash up a couple of door handles, put some hands on the wall. Like that's a really easy one. That's a really, really easy one. However, the people who moved in after and everything and Rick Moran, when he did his research, none of the hardware was touched. Like it was all fine. Everything was okay in the house. Nothing was busted whatsoever.

You said people moved in afterwards? Yeah. People moved in about a year after all this happened and they don't talk about it because it's nothing happening. Yeah. Right. Right. Of course.

They're the ones that actually changed the address from 112 to 108 as well. They were just like grownups that showed up and they were like, we want to live in this beautiful home. Right. And they know everything that happened and they, nothing's happening because it was a hoax. Anyway, other things, the claim that it was put on a Indian burial ground, that was explained away because what they said is that Moran said in quotes, experts told me that the

tribe mentioned was not from the Amityville area and at all, actually they had inhabited the eastern tip of Long Island 70 miles away and that the settlers mentioned were never local residents either. And since tactics were clear when strapped for good material for a book, which this is the guy who wrote the Amityville horror true story book, he padded it with quasi factoids. He just like went on like little, it's like pretty much exactly what Jesse was saying, but in book form. Yeah.

Yeah. And basically it's like, imagine going on to like Google and being like Indian burial ground near Amityville horror house and just looking for like the closest tribe that was nearby and saying that that's where they were buried when they weren't at all. Yeah. It seems everything revolving around this is the original family was like, we can make some money off of the hype around the exorcist and then everyone else saw, oh my God, these people, whether they believe it or not, they were like, these people are experiencing thing

that we can make money off of. Right. So then you have all these different people coming in and trying to make a buck off of this incident. And I'm sure that continues to this day. Yeah. So the two big smoking guns that people point to me like this is a big old hoax is remember that priest that I told you about who came in and blessed the house and all this other

stuff. He when he was interviewed by Rick Moran, he held to that story until he was eventually put under oath in an affidavit and he said that he had actually never been to the house and only ever spoke to the family on the phone. What? Yes. Dude. The I'm just it's such sloppy hoaxing.

Yep. And then the last big piece is that the Lutz's lawyers who they worked with about getting book deals and movies and all this stuff. When there was a financial dispute between the Lutz's and the lawyer, the lawyer came out saying that the whole haunting story was made up by the between the family and him over the courses of many bottles of wine on a night to make a good amount of money and scam a bunch of people. Well, there you go.

Yep. So the photo, by the way, the big the photo that people like, well, what about the photo? Got to remember now at that night, there was a quote unquote psychic slumber party. There were seven people there. I love that they called it like that's a thing. I don't I think that might just been the wet one of the websites I was I think it was like a news article I was reading. But the there were seven people there.

And if you compare that picture and like the shirt that you can kind of see between the banisters and the shirt of one of the the psychics there, it looks mighty close to one of the other psychics that were at the slumber party. Oh, really? So he might have just been caught like walking around. Yeah, there's a guy named. This is my favorite part. This is a guy named Paul Bart.

Oh, man, who who was there as well. He was in a shirt that seems to resemble. I'm looking at a model security outfit. He rides around on a Segway. It very, very much looks like him. Yeah. And apparently there is something called the Amity Truth Board. That is a website devoted to debunking the hell out of literally everything about it. Yeah. And it's really like, again, like you don't even have to dig that hard to figure

out like this is all just a giant, giant scam. The Warrens still hold to the fact that it was, you know, haunted, but of course they would because they keep getting movies made with them in it and making a ton of money. And George Lutz, the husband said that he he holds to it as well, though he says some of its real other parts aren't, but he provides zero evidence that any of it ever happened. And again, he's made a ton of money off of it as well. He's chilling. He's done.

He's done it. How old is he? He got what he wanted. How old is he? That's a good question. Let me see if I can answer how old is George Lutz? Probably like 80, right? Something like that.

Fifty nine. What? Well, he was 59 and he died in 2006. Oh, OK, OK. At 59 years old. So he died kind of a young age, but he made his money. He got exactly what he wanted out of the whole whole thing. So bold. I wish that you could still do that. That'd be so tight.

Yeah, this is before the Internet. That's the thing. Wild West. Yeah. Of haunting. You could just lie. You could just lie. Yeah, and people are willing to believe during that particular time, like, because...

But that's the same thing when people were like, I have this salve right here. If you rub it on your head, it will make your testicles grow. Three times bigger. You know, like, get the bigger back in your life. Yeah, but it's impressive. Now, like, when a restaurant uses Popeye's chicken and it's chicken sandwich, it's like national fucking news

and, like, Emeril's weighing in and Gordon Ramsay's weighing in. It's crazy. And there was actually an interview, maybe a couple, like, maybe a decade or two ago with DeFeo in prison. And, like, his story at the time was like, he did it with his sister.

Do you really think that only one person could go room to room with the gun, shooting everybody in their beds and not have, like, somebody wake up? He's like, you only believe that it's just me because you don't want to believe that there was a second person there, blah, blah, blah. So his story, as far as his latest story

that's been recorded, is that he wasn't alone. It was him and his sister. So is he over the insanity business? Is he? I mean, because his story changes constantly, he's still considered insane. I see, but is he, like, I heard voices still? No, that is not what he's saying anymore.

I see. There is an interview that I just got done looking at where they were asking about him and they say, do you think he was possessed? And the response from the lawyer was, possessed? Sure, by heroin. Got him.

Exactly. Pulling him up. Got roasted. Yeah, roasted, roasted. But again, the fact that the haunting and all that stuff didn't happen doesn't take away from the fact that a horrible crime happened there and that, you know, that he deserves to be locked up.

But, you know, not every murder is a demonic possession. Like, that clearly there was a messed up family. Yeah, I think that's probably the big takeaway here is that human beings, for whatever reason, we have a desire to explain things, which I think might be the whole course of this show. Right, yeah. Is we unexplain things or terrible things,

we all have a desire to want to explain them. And sometimes our explanations are insane. Same thing when people are coming up with reasons like why 9-11 happened, right? Like, clearly there must be some spiritual reason why we have failed, like that kind of stuff. And so when people see a young man murder his entire family in a brutal, terrible way,

many people don't see it as like that guy was just crazy and sometimes in life they're crazy people. Some people need to have an explanation and the idea of a demon turning a young man evil is easier for them to handle than anyone could be a bad person and sometimes people just snap. Right, and then you get somebody like George Lutz

who's a piece of crap and exploits the murder of this family to make a ton of money off of a haunting. At least they cast Ryan Reynolds as the guy last time. Did they? I never saw it, I've never seen it. That's the newest movie, right? The Awakening, like it's called Amityville Horror, The Awakening, I think.

I think so, I don't remember the name of the one that has Ryan Reynolds in it, but there is one. Okay. There is one. There's like six or seven different Amityville Horror movies. Yeah, it's crazy. Unknown, like a bunch of books. And it's all Lutz.

You know, again? Yeah, it's all Lutz and the Warrens. Damn. That's what I'm saying, like. Money-making machine, man. Yeah? Piece of shit for exploiting a murdered family, but also financial genius.

Like he got himself out of whatever financial holy he was in and made a ton of money off of it. But again, this is all kind of like a one hour highlight of what actually happened. There's a lot to talk about. If you guys want to research, you can look up all of the mob connections as their grandfather had and all this other stuff

and like the conspiracy that the reason that DeFeo went to prison is because his grandfather caught him boning his sister and all this other nonsense. So there's a ton of stuff to talk about, but the thing is the interesting stuff isn't paranormal. The interesting stuff is what like connections to the mob is. This crazy, just this crazy context.

Right, exactly. So, but that's it. That's Amityville, man. And that's that went by really fast. Feels good. I'm super pleased. Yeah, like that was, that was good. Let me put this out there to the listeners.

Do you think it's real? Do you think we're wrong? I would love to hear from somebody who thinks I'm wrong. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I would. I am going to poo poo 99% of what we talk about on this show. If you think I'm wrong, please tell, explain to me.

And you have evidence. If you have evidence, like even better. I want to get you, Jesse. That's my goal. That's kind of my goal too. I want to bring, I want to bring like a story to you guys that just like we're all like, oh my God, this is real.

Aliens is going to be my thing, man. Like I'm just, I'm just saying, I want to convince you on aliens. Today was very interested in that photograph. And until I read five minutes later, that photograph was a hoax. I was like, oh, that's interesting. This is interesting.

But yeah, I will, I am open to being convinced. I just think that until I have evidence of something, then it is not real. Like that's just the way life works. And that's how it should be. That's how it should be. Back it up. I'm all about these crazy things happening,

but I'm also one of the ones I want, like I want evidence, photographic audio, like give me something, give me something to work with. And don't let it be, don't also be like, well, I got this picture of a little boy ghost, but also there were sick other people in the house and it's probably just one of them. Yeah, it's gotta really be, I'll never, I'll never.

It's never gonna be the tropes. It's like the real shit is never gonna be the tropes, y'all. Right. The creepy stuff, the stuff that I believe, or I think there's enough evidence to at least support that it may not at least be normal, it is nothing like Amityville. It's always way creepier, usually way more sinister

and more interesting. It's weird. Especially when you have like visual, audio, evidence and all this other stuff. The thing that creeps me out the most with like the ghost stories is when they like say things that are like really weird. Yeah, that's the type of stuff that trips me out

because it's like, how could somebody make up something that weird? One of my favorite hauntings, and it's been one of my favorite hauntings for a long time and I recently got reintroduced to it, is the Enfield Poltergeist. And I'm excited to get to that one eventually. Especially because the Warrens kind of insert themselves

into that and be like, hey, we were here for this, but they were really only there for a day and that haunting went on for years. We gotta follow them around. We gotta follow their journey. We gotta see where, yeah. The Warrens? Dude, I live near them.

Like I live in Massachusetts and they're in Connecticut and that's not far. Yeah, that's not far. I should go there and like try and like annoy the raggedy and all. Yeah, I should interview him. Haunt me, Annabelle, haunt me. Annabelle.

Well, that'll be it for episode one of the inaugural episode of the Chill Lumen Naughty podcast. It's fun to say. Thank you guys for watching. Yeah, it's really fun to say. It's a great name. Thanks for coming in. That's on you, you came up with it.

So, I appreciate it. We'll get this up on, I'm gonna get it up on all the normal podcast-y sites that you can get it on, try and get it up on iTunes as fast as possible and stuff. So if you guys enjoy it, you know, drop a comment, you know, rate it, whatever you gotta do. Feel free to follow us on Twitter. You can follow the podcast itself,

myself at Mathis Games, Jesse Cox at Jesse Cox and Alex is a- Fosy, Fosyani A, find me on Twitter. Fosyani A, yeah. Yeah, there you go. And I hope this is a long run. Yeah, and if you're a lo-fi, 80s synthwave producer. Yeah, hit us up.

Hit me up, yeah. Yeah, yeah, let's get, yeah, exactly. So we don't have to do mouth, mouth things. Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. But so right now- There's our Stranger Things intro. I know, right? Oh, that'd be badass.

So the plan right now too is like every two weeks, right boys? So that's the goal for now. And then if this gets like people really like it, we can bump it up if we have the time to do it. Sounds good to me. That sounds right. Cool. Cool, cool.

Well, thanks for watching everybody. We'll be back with another episode of the Chilumbinati podcast in a couple of weeks. That topic will be announced when we put the episode up. We'll see you guys then. Bye bye. Bye. Dear roads, trails, and rivers.

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