Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 106 - The Toynbee Tiles

Episode Date: June 23, 2021

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Starting point is 00:03:01 This is Americana in the making. This is a legend from the future that's happening, unfolding in front of us right now. What the hell are you talking about? Intersection of art, science, and nonsense. Anyway, first things first, instead of a strange and meaningless personal story that doesn't really connect to anything, I've got something even weirder
Starting point is 00:03:23 to kick us off today, and that is a skit, which happens to be an excerpt from a night. A skit? A skit, that's right. It's an excerpt from a 1983 play by the legendary David Mamet. It's called 4 a.m., which he describes as a tribute to the late great TV and radio host Larry King. Rest in peace.
Starting point is 00:03:41 If you have time, go look up his interview with, what's his name, Ben Schwartz, the guy who's the voice of Sonic. Go check that out. It's an incredible interview with Larry King. Shout outs to Larry. He truly was the king. But Jesse, how about you play the part of the interviewer
Starting point is 00:03:56 and Mathis? You can play the caller. Just do your best. I dropped it in the Twitter DM because it was way too long. This is a call-in read, everybody. Set the stage for you a little bit. This is a call-in show like Coast to Coast a.m. Larry King used to have a show like this for very many years.
Starting point is 00:04:14 All right. And scene. Hello, Chicago. Hello, Greg. How are you? I'm fine. Good. Good, Greg.
Starting point is 00:04:27 It's a pleasure to talk with you. I had the pleasure of talking to you three and one, three and one half years ago. And I've been a continual listener of yours since you started out with the 22 stations. And I admire you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Greg.
Starting point is 00:04:40 What's your problem? Greg, we need your help to publicize our plan. We've been trying to get our organization together to raise money to be able to hire a public relations firm like Wells and Jacobi to publicize our organization. Where are we going to get the money? I just, I don't know. To publicize you.
Starting point is 00:04:58 In the movie 2001, based on the writings of Arnold Toynbee, they speak of a plan. Excuse me. Excuse me. But the writing, but the movie 2001 was based on the writings. All human life is made of molecules based on the writings of Odyssey clock. All human. No, Greg, if you examine.
Starting point is 00:05:19 It was based on the writings of Odyssey clock. Oh, Greg. No, we have the go on. Greg, in the writings of Arnold Toynbee, he discusses a plan whereby all human life could be easily reconstituted on the planet Jupiter. Uh-huh. Greg.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Yes. I'm listening. Greg. Yes. In, in the. Yeah, I got it. Go on. In the.
Starting point is 00:05:49 No, no, no. Go on. I got it. Arnold Toynbee human life on. As we're made of molecules, Greg, and the atoms of all human life that ever lived are still in all of us. Right. I got it.
Starting point is 00:06:01 They exist. They've just been rearranged. Yeah. So. We'd like to publicize organization, Greg. We're very young. We've just been, we've been just been existence over a year. And we want to publicize our theory.
Starting point is 00:06:15 And Greg, we don't know how. You. How do you publicize your plan to bring dead people back to life on Jupiter? Yeah. Why? Why would you want to do this? Hello? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Why would you want to do this? You see what I'm saying to you? What is the aim of your group? Greg. What are your plans? Hi. What? I, Greg, I told you.
Starting point is 00:06:44 You said you want to bring the dead people back to life. Yes. On the planet Jupiter. Just as they showed us in the movie. Well, I'm not sure that's what the movie was about, but be that as it may. Why would you want to do that? Oh, Greg, you can't mean it.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Well, yes, I mean it. Why would you? What's the idea? You're walking down the street. There's Abraham Lincoln. Is that the idea? Yeah. So anybody that you want to talk to so forth,
Starting point is 00:07:17 they are there. Is that the idea? Yes. Who do you pick? Who picks them? You? Your organization? Or do you just bring them all back?
Starting point is 00:07:27 What's your, I mean, do you have a program for this? Or what are the goals? To bring. No, it's too broad. It's too broad. Don't you see what I'm talking about? You can't bring them all back. Can you?
Starting point is 00:07:46 I don't know. And see. Great. Yeah, great. 4 a.m. by David Mamet. Never done better. But why are we reading this? Okay, great question.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Well, the TLDR version is that it might be the closest thing we have to a firsthand account of something that most likely really did happen on the Larry King show in the 1980s, likely more than once. Where a caller really did call in with these talking points during open line caller segments, which are definitely weird on their own, but are really only the tip of a rather large iceberg here.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Right. Obviously, there's probably not a recording of the show because, you know, it was the 80s podcasts were barely a glimmer in baby Steve Jobs's eye back then. But we do have a post from the now defunct resurrect dead message boards by the user three finger Pete back in 2011, who remembered listening to the show on and off from about 1981 to 1985 while living in a quote rat bag duplex off of
Starting point is 00:08:53 campus during college. Here is his account of that, which Mathis, I would love you to read a little snippet from that. If you don't mind, I'm going to drop that into the chat here and zoom. Yeah, wait, why can't I copy and paste this? What is up with zoom? It was too big.
Starting point is 00:09:09 There's like a letter limit. Oh, really? Okay. Let's just drop it in here. Whatever. Zoom. Step up your game. Zoom.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Everybody's got you beat. We expect more from you at this point. Here we go. King usually had an hour or so of open line calls after his guest interview segment concluded. On at least two separate occasions, possibly three, I heard a caller get through to discuss the Toynbee theory. Although I can't recall if the name was Toynbee.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Although I can't recall if the name Toynbee was specifically mentioned. I do specifically recall Q Kubrick being mentioned and the need to resurrect the dead on Jupiter. I remember these calls after all these years for two reasons. First, I'm a fan of this sort of stuff and the Toynbee theory was so uniquely bizarre as to get my attention. And second, Larry King is infuriatingly and curious.
Starting point is 00:09:57 And rather than let the caller expound on Toynbee, King wasted little time moving on to the next caller, leaving me curious King in the darkness of my room. No, cursing him. Cursing him. Cursing. I was like curious. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 00:10:11 That doesn't make any sense. I can't recall the approximate dates of the calls, but I can say with certainty they occurred during the time I lived in that duplex between, I'm assuming July 1981 and January of 1985. And that more than one call took place. However, my recollection is that at least one of the calls was placed prior to April of 1983. And just for accuracy's sake, just so we are all on the same
Starting point is 00:10:38 page, 4 a.m. The play was released in 1984. So just to think about that. But on the flip side of that, David Mamet, who is a very, very famous playwright, has been asked about this mysterious caller thing, like live on the air on NPR at least once. And he vehemently denies basing the scene from 4 a.m. on anything besides his own imagination and was actually
Starting point is 00:11:00 even quoted as saying, quote, there was no call on the radio. I made it up. So who knows? But honestly, if that's all there was to this, the jury would basically just be out. But now we have finally arrived at the meat of today's episode, which is something so bizarrely interesting that it has an entire community of dedicated researchers and theorists spanning
Starting point is 00:11:22 the globe and even a pretty decent documentary that was an official selection of the Sundance Film Festival in 2011, in which you can now illegally watch on YouTube. What I'm talking about, of course, are the Toynbee tiles, which are unique among real world mysterious objects in that there is actually a fairly high likelihood that a certain percentage of our listeners might have had firsthand experience with one of them before and can even arguably be
Starting point is 00:11:50 considered some of the like, you know, like outsider art, like the type of art that you'd see, like on your way to Las Vegas in the desert. Like there is an element of that to this and there's this element of like this weird sci-fi mystery to this. But before we get into that, I want to shout out to Wikipedia. I want to shout out to the Kansas City Star, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Temple News from Temple University,
Starting point is 00:12:14 theGhostInMyMachine.com, and the documentary I just mentioned, which is called Resurrect Dead, The Mystery of the Toynbee Tiles, and also Toynbeeidea.com, all of which I heavily used for research for this episode. But let's get into the tiles, shall we? Have you guys heard of this? Do you guys know about the Toynbee Tiles? I love that.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Another great thing about these tiles is that they are literally all over the place in like major cities. I don't think there's any in LA, but there's definitely a lot in major, major cities. Hold on, hold on. What do you mean tiles and all over the place in every city? What does that mean? Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Well, like, yeah, let's get into it. So, so, so literally they're these like tiled mosaic street art sort of like tar based pieces that are embedded literally into the street, like into the middle of the street. There's one like at the entrance to the Holland Tunnel somehow, like in the middle of the street, they often contain some variation on this weird stuff we've already talked about and also lots of other info about the artists, philosophy,
Starting point is 00:13:23 their state of mind, but they've definitely evolved quite a bit over time. So now I want to focus on this evolution a little bit. And though I'm sure you've already Googled them and gotten the vibe of them, if you just Google Toynbee tile, you can kind of just there's going to be plenty of them for you to look at in Google images. But if you bug me, I will share a bunch of stuff that I have
Starting point is 00:13:44 sources for all this on the subreddit. If you need that as a listening aid or whatever, just bug me about it this week if you care enough and I will put it up if it gets too annoying for me because that's the best I can literally promise. The original style were like rectangles made out of linoleum that were like cut up and like sort of like formed to make letters and relief on the linoleum.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Maybe like a little bigger than an envelope or like an eight and a half by 11 paper size, a hand cut. And the basic text of all of them in general is like some variation on this all caps says Toynbee idea in Kubrick's 2001 Resurrect Dead on Planet Jupiter. It says that on like every tile that you'll ever see. These showed up everywhere from Philadelphia, where most of this is centered around like Philadelphia is definitely the
Starting point is 00:14:38 home of these tiles to Pittsburgh, to DC, to New York, to Baltimore, even down to like Santiago, Chile, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro, like all these places all have Toynbee tiles embedded in the fucking street. And from there, as the 80s became the 90s, the design of them kind of grew in complexity a little bit. More cities. They also showed up at like rest stops on the east coast.
Starting point is 00:15:09 They got like tiles on them. Shout outs to Boston for Mathis. There's definitely Toynbee tiles in Boston. And they started to be a little bit more colorful, colored letters like a big red theme was a big one for a while like solid red border, red letters and these little weird tags on the sides of them now are starting to show up. Aside from the main message that was in this rectangle, you
Starting point is 00:15:32 get like a little piece on the bottom, like in a slightly different color that would have like a little bit of them deeper message from the artist. Like, for example, there was this one tile that I saw from the Chesapeake House rest area off the I-95 in Maryland. I looked at this tile, saw a picture of it and extending from the bottom of the red frame is a little tan box that also said in all caps, you must make plus glue tiles you
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Starting point is 00:17:37 free felixgrayglasses.com slash chill. So it feels like whoever's making these feels like it's their mission to like go out and do this and spread this message, right? And that it's like hit their mission on this earth to do so. So now we're kind of in the early 90s. As the 90s went on, it seemed like the skill level on these
Starting point is 00:18:03 things just sort of like went up. You know, like if you imagine like this is an artist like honing their craft, like you keep making things in the same style, you're going to get better and more nuanced at it. More bright colors involved now, multiple colors on single ones. We start seeing tiles and even more locations. We're all the way to the Midwest now out in the middle of the
Starting point is 00:18:25 country now. And eventually by the late 90s, the main original style that you probably see when you Google Toynbee tiles kind of hit its like main stride first wave, if you will. It feels almost like whoever was making these kind of like was feeling themselves for a little bit here, kind of like cranking them out, doing them clean, looking pretty nice. Sometimes they kind of like fray around the edges because you
Starting point is 00:18:51 obviously they probably have to do it pretty quick to not be noticed. And so you'll see some cracking around the edges. But for the most part, this was like the golden age of the original style. These final ones of the 90s that were like the really good ones, much more complex in terms of layout, lots more like decorative elements coming in, even some like recurring image
Starting point is 00:19:15 themes like coffee cups or like a naked ladies like legs and like naughty bits coming in. Like you'll see one that'll be like the main resurrect dead Toynbee idea tile. And then there'll be like spread legs over like two sides of it. And then there'll be like a little I can see that one right now.
Starting point is 00:19:35 That's a pretty popular one, right? And Philadelphia, if anybody wants to go find it. Yeah. And much larger ideas being shared on the little side tabs as well. Like there's one on West third and prospect in Cleveland, Ohio. And on that one, it says, I'm the only I'm only one man.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And when I caught a fatal disease, they gloated over its death. That's when I and this is where it gets a little choppy. But I think it says that's when I believe them to destroy it. Thank you. Something something. It kind of gets cut off. But like there's a bigger message there kind of rambly and
Starting point is 00:20:15 erratic in a way. But that was sort of like the end of his first golden age. Suddenly in 2001, the style changed. Not sure if it's related to 9 11. A lot of like art shift is related to 9 11. But according to the website, Toynbee idea.com, they think that the swap from horizontal type sort of like envelope or like license plate shaped tiles evolve to like tall vertical
Starting point is 00:20:43 tiles with stretch letters. They think it has something to do with this guy experimenting with going from like city streets to going to like the free way where, you know, it's like a little bit quicker kind of vibe there. And their theory is that this dude has because it's the only way it really makes sense. Like nobody ever sees him do this.
Starting point is 00:21:05 He puts them in really conspicuous places. Like I said, the entrance to the Holland Tunnel had one for a long time. I don't know if it still does, but it did. It's a heavily trafficked. It's almost no time when there's no way to like show up overnight is what you're saying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Yeah. Almost instantaneously. Like the guy in the in the dock is like really like obsessed with them and is like constantly thinking about them. And he literally one time went into a restaurant came back out. He also lives in Philly. Came back out and he saw one that was like, bam, fresh on the street.
Starting point is 00:21:34 And the way that it has to be done, according to people is that maybe this guy has a hole in the bottom of his car so that he can like in traffic, like slap it down real quick while he's still in his car so that like Mission Impossible or some say so that no one can like love the graffiti mobile so that nobody can see him do it and then he can like get away with it in broad daylight or whenever he wants to do it. He could just like, Pam, like in the car.
Starting point is 00:22:03 But yeah, so the style changed in 2001 to this sort of like freeway style. If you think about like how words are on the freeway, how they're like really tall and long. That's kind of like the vibe of these newer style ones. And another big element of some of these newer ones is that they seem easier to read from a moving car too. So like the taller, like if you're driving on the freeway,
Starting point is 00:22:26 you can read it. And also sometimes in this style, he would also split him up so you'd see like Toynbee idea, a couple hundred feet later, Resurrect Dead because you know, it's like it kind of feels like when you're driving and you see like multiple signs along the road with a message on them, right? And according to this site, Toynbee idea, these kind, these like freeway style ones have showed up as recently as
Starting point is 00:22:52 2015, like from 2001 to 2015. And just to remind you, these have been showing up since the 80s consistently in the hundreds, like over the years. There's there's countless tiles. There's a database on the website and it's, it's filled with tiles. There's also a smaller like passport size, maybe index card size style of tile that popped up between 04 and 06.
Starting point is 00:23:25 And it kind of implies that maybe for a while, the person didn't have access to the car that they were using for a couple years. Not sure why, but it's possible that they didn't go in that car during that time. So they were doing like smaller ones for that reason. And it's also worth mentioning that between 2001 and 2013, other than one tile that is in, that was found in Connecticut,
Starting point is 00:23:55 there were literally hundreds of tiles placed in those 13 years or 12 years, but none of them were farther than like an hour outside of Philly in any direction. So compared to previous years, pretty small area for them to be working in. And it, you know, people theorize, maybe has something to do with this person's situation. So when before that, they were in like Buenos Aires, you're
Starting point is 00:24:19 saying they were all over the place and now they're just like like I said, Ohio, like New York, all these places, right? Okay. 2007 signified a return to form for the Tyler in terms of style. It seemed like in 2007, the car was back and between 2008 and 2010, there were over 100 tiles in two years distributed across Philly and South New Jersey, which in case you don't
Starting point is 00:24:49 know the geography of Philly and South New Jersey, they are like a bridge across like it takes like five minutes to go from one to the other. All with that same basic message, but in tons of different variations of the style that had become the norm by now, the one that you look at when you Google image search and a clear enough visual similarity that a single artist has always seemed like it's the most likely option just because the quality of the
Starting point is 00:25:14 handy work is like it's new every time, but it's also clearly by the same hand, you know what I mean? There's no copies really, but there's like it's hard. It would be hard to forge someone's handwriting like that. Also, strangely, this is also kind of interesting. There was a total absence of any new tiles from 2011 to 2012. No new tiles at all for those two years, though there were some similarly coded handbills that were distributed in Central Philly
Starting point is 00:25:48 that basically besmirched and doxxed a family member of one of the Tyler's like the people that people think is the Tyler. So what do you mean besmirched? When you're talking about besmirching, it was like libelous. It was like libelous details about a person that's a relative of one of the people that's a suspected Toynbee Tyler. OK, so so because of that, it seems to suggest that it was the Tyler who wrote these pamphlets and there's little things
Starting point is 00:26:18 like that are in the pamphlet that the Tyler does like there's Christ written in all caps and the eye in it in it is still a case like that's like a thing that they would do. And a lot of the same like weird sentence structure and stuff is there. It's not been confirmed obviously because no one knows who the fuck it is. But it's for those two years. That's what was happening was those handbills were coming out rather than new tiles.
Starting point is 00:26:43 But then in 2013 again, tiles start showing up again. Wilmington, Atlantic City, Baltimore, New York, new tiles all in 2013. Right. So now we're outside of our like Philly radius. And the guy from Toynbeeidea.com, who I think is involved also with the movie somehow. When it came out that there were new ones in New York, they went to New York in like 2014, like shortly thereafter. And they like sort of like looked at where the ones that people
Starting point is 00:27:17 had been posting online were and sort of like went for a walk for three hours and sort of like. Guest where they would see some based on those locations. And in three hours, this person found 30 new tiles in New York visas. Yeah. They also there's probably more also that are somewhere that are elsewhere. But the website hasn't really been updated since early 2017. So it's kind of been hard to track them since then.
Starting point is 00:27:45 I haven't really I've been trying to find like, oh, somebody like picked up the slack on that, but there really hasn't been anybody. There's not there is a there's a reddit, but it's it's not very active. And it does seem like people are still posting on the Toynbeeidea website, like in the comment section of the articles and blog posts. But the the the the the good work has not been continuing in the way that it has since 2017. And if it's not clear yet, I should definitely repeat again that nobody
Starting point is 00:28:15 knows who the hell it is that's doing this for sure, though, according to most people who spend time thinking about this, we do basically know the reasoning behind it. And it's really not all that complicated if you were paying attention to four a.m. earlier. But I want to quickly read a little bit of philosophy from the historian and philosopher Arnold J. Toynbee himself from his autobiography Experiences, which was published in 1969.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Just to give you a nice little background, I'm going to read this myself just because it's quite long and quite wordy. So I'm just going to get into it. And I think it should be clear by the end of this, like what's going on here. Man's situation is indeed paradoxical. Man has a mind that can comprehend infinite time and space. And he has a conscience that can pass moral judgments yet prima facie. It looks as if these spiritual facilities are dependent on their
Starting point is 00:29:09 survival, on their association with the life of a short lived physical body. If certain parts of the body have been generated with a lack or an insufficiency of certain physical ingredients, the human being's spiritual faculties never come to flower or at least never fully. And if certain parts of a normal person's body run down before death, the person's spiritual faculties automatically fail. In any case, at death, the spiritual faculties disappear from this phenomenal world and the widely and tenaciously held belief in the
Starting point is 00:29:39 immortality of the soul after death is not borne out by any cogent evidence. Moreover, our bodies, though fearfully and wonderfully made, are in physical terms specks of dust on the surface of a speck of dust called the Earth, which is a satellite of another speck of dust called the Sun. And our Sun is a speck of dust in our galaxy, which is a speck of dust in a universe that may be infinite in terms of time and space. However, the dust of which a human body is composed, quantitatively trivial, though it is, is an integral part of the inconceivably vast physical universe.
Starting point is 00:30:13 And when, after death, the body dissolves into its physical elements, these elements themselves are not annihilated. Death has destroyed the organism that for a brief time had succeeded in maintaining itself as a puny counter-universe. But the physical materials of which the dissolved human body was composed at the moment of death have not been destroyed through ceasing to be incorporated temporarily in an organic physical structure. They are continuing to exist as parts of the physical universe,
Starting point is 00:30:41 though this no longer in an organic form. Science has been able to ascertain this because science, science's earliest researches and its greatest successes so far have been in the field of reality in its physical aspect. In our own day, science has made a start with the exploration of reality in its physical aspect as well. But psychological science is still in its infancy, at least in the 60s when this was written.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And though the possibilities opened up by it of an increase in knowledge and understanding of the universe are potentially enormous, it is still too early for us to be able to foresee whether these possibilities are going to be converted into achievements of anything like the same order of magnitude as science has already accomplished achievements in the physical field. Meanwhile, the study of the spiritual aspect of human nature on which Western science has embarked only recently has been pursued by now for at least 2,500 years in the Indian practice of contemplation.
Starting point is 00:31:35 Already by the Buddha's day, the school of Indian philosophy to which the Buddha himself was opposed had reported that the essence of a human being's spiritual aspect is identical with the ultimate spiritual reality behind and beyond the phenomenon of the universe. If the intuition on which this report is based has penetrated to the truth, this signifies that the spiritual aspect of a human being, like his physical aspect, is an integral part of a universe that in its own dimension may be vast.
Starting point is 00:32:01 An unavoidable lone word from our vocabulary for describing physical reality as the physical universe is. And from this, it would seem to follow that at death, the aspect of a human being that we call his spirit or his soul ceases to be the ephemeral separate personality that it has been during the now dead human beings' lifetime, but continues to exist as the ultimate spiritual reality with which even in bodily life on Earth it has never ceased to be identical in the spiritual vision of observers
Starting point is 00:32:31 who have had the inward eye to see. So there's a lot more to that I could keep reading, but I think it's pretty clear after reading that what this means in relation to Toynbee idea in movie 2001, Resurrect Dead on Planet Jupiter, which is that I think and I think this is kind of like non-negotiable at this point. I think that the Tyler believes that mankind should take it upon themselves to become the architects of our own transhumanist, like technologically based, like in harmony with spirituality based afterlife.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Terraform Jupiter, kind of like how Arthur C. Clarke describes it in the like Saturn 5 or whatever the what's it called, the Jupiter 5 stories, that kind of like congealed into the 2001 movie version with all that psychedelic stuff that happens at the end. They want to turn Jupiter into a facility where human beings can be, from across time and space, can be reconstituted molecule by molecule, which will then bring rise again, like resurrect your consciousness into existence exactly how it was before, you from before now returned
Starting point is 00:33:48 and living on forever in our new eternal space sanctuary. And indeed, in support of the idea that a real person calling it like, okay, that's I think the idea. And I think that in support of the idea that somebody really did do this and it wasn't just David Mamet imagining it and making it up. Here's a quote from a February 1984 issue of an old zine. I'm losing my mind right now. I want you to know I'm slowly going crazy.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I am ready to talk about this. I'm going to let you zine us, but I'm letting you know I am. I am ready, warrior princess. Let me know. Yeah, I have. I here's a quote from a zine. It backups. It backs up my reading of the tiles.
Starting point is 00:34:36 Meaning I'm going to drop this in the DM for you to read Jesse. This is this is a little quote for you to read. You know, I wouldn't want to show you my internet search history. When you do this job and you're searching all kinds of alien stuff, the weirdest things end up popping up. And I don't want anybody knowing all that weird stuff. Listen, I already put out a podcast that allows me to be weird. I don't need people seeing how weird it has to get in the research area.
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Starting point is 00:36:38 to just like freak out and rip this all apart? I want it. This is from Ace. This is from a zine from the 80s, 84 called Ace. Public notice, I'm attempting to go back in time. This will be dangerous, must bring a weapon. No. Wrong one? Oh, my bad. Public notice, Arnold Tonbee's conception of the Colonial Z. I'm very pleased with that goof, thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:37:09 Conception of the colonization of outer space as depicted in the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey, on the ability of science to bring every dead molecule of every human body of history back to life on the gigantic planet of Jupiter. Oh boy, already I got issues. We beg the people of this community to accept us as we have been denied acceptance by the media and press. Please write us at P.O. Box, four, two, three, four.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Send to zoom. Send to zoom. Philadelphia, 19101. USA in tune into 625 megacycles, 48 meters shortwave Saturday night's midnight. What's this department? The above public notice has recently began to appear in the center city of Philadelphia, PA. These stickers have showed up almost everywhere. On USA Today Boxes, telephone poles, train and bus stations,
Starting point is 00:38:15 even on Communist Workers Party newspaper boxes. Mr. G. Primavera, who brought this interesting announcement to our attention, has been monitoring 6.25 megahertz and says he has not heard them yet. He's not sure if this station would fall under the classification of pirate or clandestine. Let's pay close attention to this frequency in the weeks ahead and see what, if anything, shows up. Yeah, so I think that this is exactly what's going on. I think that whoever is placing these tiles believes that our only hope
Starting point is 00:38:56 as a human race for immortality is to resurrect ourselves on Jupiter after terraforming it. Jupiter gas giant, I'm very confused. My favorite part, here's the thing. Truthfully, Jupiter, we don't know what's beneath the clouds of Jupiter. There's clearly something rocky down there, but anything that would be sent down, the pressure would destroy it instantly. We, unless we rapidly did something to Jupiter, could not, we couldn't live there, we'd be crushed.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Yeah, I mean, look, I think probably back in this time, there wasn't as much general knowledge about the planet Jupiter as there is now, which kind of blows a hole in this. But I don't think that it being on Jupiter is the sticking point here. I think, I think that's not it. I think the idea that he's, I think the idea that's being promoted here is that we need to reconstitute the history of humanity from their base molecules so that we can all live together in paradise.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Right, no. Isn't that exactly the, isn't that the exact technology in Star Trek, by the way, the transportation technology destroys you and then rebuilds you exactly. That's the answer to the, that's the answer to the transporter conundrum also. Here's the problem. Ceases to exist then continues to exist. Right. Time out.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Pause, time, ignore the fact that we as a society have to come up with terraforming first. Ignore all that. Elon Musk is going to take care of it. Elon Musk mentioned Dogecoin once and it has dropped every day since. That man killed a fun thing for people. All I'm saying is I don't trust him with nothing. Anyway, let me just put this out. Let me just, let me tell you what the real cycle of molecules is.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Yes, we are all Star Children made up of elements from all the universe. Lovely for us. But also right now. Hang on. I feel like I'm on the witchy side of Tik Tok right now. But also you can't go that far back with this thought process because human bodies, the millions and millions of people that have existed in this world and there's the billions that have died before us.
Starting point is 00:41:17 All those people shots when they die, they, their molecules went back to the earth. They became part of the Mako again. And the life stream has taken them. But needless to say, all those people, their molecules went and created, say, grass and then a cow ate that effing grass. And then like that we ate the cat. Like the molecules of people, you know, it's circle of life, but the molecules of people, you know, it's one of those things like the air that I breathe now because there's only
Starting point is 00:41:52 so many air molecules. I'm bringing the air of like an ancient person. Right? Yeah. It's the same. It's the same thing. I'm saying is if you were to be like, all right, here we go. We're going to bring back the people from 1950 and they flip a switch.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Who knows what monstrosities you're bringing back because none of that is the original. Like you would have to then not only do we terraform a planet. We didn't have to figure out how to like pinpoint specific article, like particles for specific people. It's impossible. That is literally an impossibility as there's no way you could do that because here's the thing because some of those particles make up you. How did you are some of the particles of previous people?
Starting point is 00:42:37 I mean, even the hero Thanos knows that you can't make an omelette without breaking an egg. You're right. But was it worth it? Alex, I don't know to bring back Abraham. Here's the thing. He did basically exactly what we're talking about here. He definitely turned everybody into molecules and then he.
Starting point is 00:42:55 And then they were brought back. You're right. Instantly reconstituted them. But here's the thing. What's the difference between five years and I don't know, a hundred. Maybe your maybe years are only in the physical world according to Toby. It's no one going to like take a moment and have a little like chat with everyone like, okay.
Starting point is 00:43:16 So who do here? Here's the great thing. I think the call, the fake call at the beginning is accurate. And I know that, that the joke was like, you know, Larry King didn't let the dude talk, but also. There's probably a reason for it because it's insane. The idea is who do we bring back? And I think it's a phenomenal question because at a certain point in time, when you start
Starting point is 00:43:37 bringing people, if you bring like a dude from ancient Rome back to life, that guy is going to lose his mind and not like a good way. That guy, it's like, yeah, it would just think he would be suicidal. He would be crazy because it's not his reality anymore. It would, it would be crazy for all that stuff to happen. And in our capitalistic world, there'd be like side like things like kill Hitler, 20 bucks. And you just got this guy who just is Hitler.
Starting point is 00:44:06 If it's supposed to be actually Hitler with his consciousness, everybody can do it. If the molecule thing, flip a switch, he gets reconstituted. And then he gets shot again by like the guy who paid $20. What happened in our world? Because that's how your pope, your pope, uh, I don't know, Pope Claudius, the fifth or some nonsense. You bring a pope back. Well, then what, what happens then?
Starting point is 00:44:29 An entire religion collapses. You know, it's really funny. Like if you religion falls apart, you should read. I wish I wish I'd actually just added a little bit more of the play to the scene that I, that I cut because right after the part that I cut off, it's literally the Larry King character, literally asking these exact questions that you're asking right now. I'm just like, why not bring Jesus back? Here's the problem.
Starting point is 00:44:55 You bring Jesus back and he's not nearly as cool as people think he is. It's a week. Yeah, it'll be rough. First of all, done. Don't meet your heroes. So many people would have a heart attack because he'd be fricking not white and blue. Oh my God. Here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:45:08 They'd be like that. And even the real Jesus fake news. Yeah. We all know. We all really know what they would be like. That's not even Jesus. Fake cures, fake cures. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:17 All I'm saying is, is it doesn't make a lot of sense to do it in the first place. Like, I don't know. I feel like we should be more concerned about like keeping kids alive and like keeping our planet safe and like not covered in fires rather than like, all right, scrap it. We moved to Jupiter. I mean, we tried. Let's go to Jupiter. F them kids.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Let's bring back the old people. They already gave up on this planet. They're planning on leaving us here while they go to space. I always have been. He's not going to come back. People are joking about that. No one can hear you scream, Mathis. That's where we take them.
Starting point is 00:45:51 True. Just like the number one hit movie, Elysium. We take them out in space. Elysium. I wish I forgot about that. I have yet to see. But, you know, to your credit, Jesse, like along with what you're saying, the mainstream media did not accept this man's views.
Starting point is 00:46:11 You don't say. And to that end, beyond this element of his philosophy, there's also a special tile out there, a one, a one off special tile. It's no longer there. One off special collectible. It was paved over a year after it was found. Interesting. But it's called the manifesto tile.
Starting point is 00:46:32 This tile goes far beyond the realm of any of the others in terms of like info about this guy. It's actually made up of paragraphs of barely legible info involving all kinds of mafia and news media based conspiracies, as well as a good helping of government paranoia and antisemitism. It's a little hard to quote directly, but I'm going to send you guys a link real quick. Let me see if you guys can parse anything out of it. Quality photo of that tile before it got paved over by the city.
Starting point is 00:47:02 This man desperately needed to just be like making pain flits as a hobby. It kind of was. A lot of it seems like, I know, I know a lot of it seems sending around some kind of assassination attempt that he may be claiming was carried out against him in 1991. But give it a look over. Let the people know. Shout out if you see anything interesting or if you can make out any of the phrases. I'm pretty sure Jews are written everywhere, mostly Hellion Jews.
Starting point is 00:47:26 He's very. I think he's talking about a conspiracy theorist where he's blaming Jews for everything, which is just. Yeah, he's writing. There's something there about, I think it's this guy Knight. What's that guy's name? Robert Knight. He's like a John Knight.
Starting point is 00:47:42 He's a newspaper guy, like a big media guy. So I think he has a vendetta against him. But yeah, there's something there's stuff here that implies that there was an assassination attempt against him. I can't really like easily read the sentences that are there, but they're there. Yeah, there's like a full. I'm reading the bottom right cube right now. And this is literally.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Is I boil it down? Hollywood is controlled by the Jews. Yeah. That's literally what this whole thing is. Like your your time honored culty like a conspiracy. That's just like Hollywood is controlled. Soviet pals is a NBC apparently has Soviet pals. Very nice.
Starting point is 00:48:23 Okay. And this is 1998, not 2021. Right. Yeah. Oh yeah. Not much has changed in the minds of crazy people. That here's the thing that's been like. A thing for a long time.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Yeah. The 90s. Yeah. The elites controlled by the Jew. Like it's just been the thing that's any time you want to be a full fledged crazy person. That was the fallback plan. It's just so easy. Don't you understand?
Starting point is 00:48:46 Space lasers. Like yeah. All right. It's such a lazy one too. Like this. And then this is this. Like it's just when back home and choir got union. Oh, I'm not reading that word from there.
Starting point is 00:49:01 This is goons from their own employees union down a sports journalist who with ease. No, who with baseball bat bashed in lights and windows of neighborhood. As well as MC and outside my as well as men outside my house. They're still waiting for me. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's being watched. He's being watched.
Starting point is 00:49:28 Yeah. So, you know, there might be a lot going on with this guy. Oh, he calls that. Oh wow. I see. See CBS group W West Wing Westinghouse. Westinghouse. Time Warner.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Oh, time and time Warner. Oh, there you go. Fox Universal. All of the cults of the hell. Hell man. Hellion. He's a hellion. All right.
Starting point is 00:49:57 Yeah. Each one. Each one were much worse than Knight Rider ever was. The car. Yeah. What? The car. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Right. What night? Yeah, you're right. That's it. What? I don't know. Maybe you had some night with John Knight and then it's like kidder. It's maybe I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:19 I've known our from Knight Rider. Not kit from Knight Rider was the worst one of all. Absolutely. Yeah. It's it's it's a bunch of rambling nonsense. It's very much like a like, uh-oh, this guy is not okay in the head kind of thing. But, you know, very, very like par for the course for somebody who might be like, you know, repeatedly spreading this like weird message hundreds of times all over the world.
Starting point is 00:50:48 Right. Yeah. But now that we've covered a lot of the things that we know for sure about these weird mosaics, let's go back to the mystery element of this, which is who in the heck is this person? What is motivated him to do this? Why are they doing this? How? What?
Starting point is 00:51:05 Who? Who is it? Uh, there's seemingly a lot of information out there connecting these things to real people. Uh, but will their secrets ever be revealed? Who is this street artist slash philosopher? Nobody knows. Banksy. Banksy.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Uber. Banksy. Banksy. He came over here and he's like, I'm just going to be like American conspiracy theorist. Got it. Right. And he's also like a 70-year-old man. Uh, anyway, we have, we can boil it down to three likely suspects.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Uh, the first comes from an article in the Philadelphia Inquirer from March of 1983, in which a journalist called Clark De Leon did a phone interview with a social worker called James Morasco. It's pretty short. So really quick, I'm going to send this over to Mathis. Okay. To read. If you don't mind. Twitter or Zoom?
Starting point is 00:51:53 I'm going to send it to Twitter. I'm pretty sure that the problem with Zoom is that it doesn't accept the talics. We'll see. But here you go. Oh, I didn't put the last line. I'll do it right now. Hold on. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:07 There you go. Let me get that. Let me get that refresh. There we go. Theories. Want to run that one by me again? Call me skeptical, but I had a hard time buying James Morasco's concept that the planet Jupiter would be colonized by bringing all the people on earth who had ever died back to life and
Starting point is 00:52:27 then changing Jupiter's atmosphere to allow them to live. I feel like that's a done in a year. I should be done in reverse order. Yeah. Uh, is it just me or does the str- does that strike you as hard to swallow too? Morasco says he is a social worker in Philadelphia and came across this idea while reading a book by historian Arnold Toynbee whose theory on bringing dead molecules back to life was depicted in the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey.
Starting point is 00:52:53 There is no scientific principles I found that can make this possible, Morasco said, especially colonizing the planet Jupiter, which has a very poisonous atmosphere. The possibility of giving that planet an oxygen atmosphere is beyond even science fiction writers imaginations. Now that quote may sound as if Morasco doesn't believe it can be done, but that's not true. In fact, between Toynbee and Stanley Kubrick, there is a way to pull it off. That's why he's contacting talk shows and newspapers to spread the message. He's even founded a Jupiter colonization organization called the Minority Association,
Starting point is 00:53:26 which he said consists of me, Eric, Eric's sister, who does the typing. Frank, you may be hearing more from Morasco and then again, you may not. Yeah. Can we really quickly, we keep bringing it up and I feel like, I assume many of our audience have not actually seen 2001 Space Odyssey. Yeah, including Mathis. So Mathis, you have no idea what we're talking about. Have you seen the baby even?
Starting point is 00:53:55 Yeah, I've seen clips. I've seen the weird ending that's like psychedelic and like he's like, oh, he's like a baby in space. Yeah, really the only thing about it that's similar, I think in my mind to what our guy is talking about here in 2001 is number one, I believe they're headed to Jupiter in the movie, right? That's what the mission is. Is that where they're headed?
Starting point is 00:54:20 Is that the mission? I think so, because I know it's based on like the Arthur C. Clark stories about going to Jupiter and colonizing it or whatever. There's this, you know, the element of the computer coming to life or whatever, but that's not really like pertinent to this. And then at the end, there's that like we are all star children, psychedelic element, which I think he's also sort of picking up on in a big way here. Like if you believed what Toynbee is saying about life and spirituality and existence,
Starting point is 00:54:51 and then you go watch 2001 through that lens, the ending would probably resonate with you very much. You're right. It is Jupiters where they go. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if there's anything to add to what you said. I was about to try and be like, how can I add to that? But you're right.
Starting point is 00:55:12 It's the whole point is it's supposed to be trippy and it's like a dude seeing himself as both old and young and the idea of like, you know, time, man, and to aliens of like, here's the thing, Mathis. I think you would really, the premise of the film is like there was a monolith and like it's been on earth and then like there's one around Jupiter and it's a portal to another reality. Yeah, it seems like a movie you would love. Oh yeah. That's my jam, man.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Time is a flat circle. It also has like just insane special effects, which is why everybody thinks. And it has Hal. Which is universally loved as a killer robot. Yeah. I can't let you do that, Mathis. Yeah. I, you know, I don't know, like I think it lends credence to the Kubrick moon theory,
Starting point is 00:56:01 which is another one for another time, but like, yeah, I, yeah, I don't know. So no, we can't go down that rabbit hole. We definitely will. I have it all planned out. We're going to do as long as as long as you're willing to take us down the room 238 or whatever that exactly 237 and we are going to whatever that movie is. As long as you're going to go down that rabbit hole, I'll break down that whole fucking movie for you guys. I'm going to give a shit.
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Starting point is 00:58:25 She had been married to her husband James J. Mirasco for 62 years. She said she thinks she would have noticed something if he was indeed the Toynbee Tyler. So kind of a dead end there, at least for now. But the second possible suspect comes from a tile that was once located all the way down in Santiago, Chile. I don't know if it's there anymore. But written on it, dead ass just said Toynbee a 2624 South 7th Street, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. One nine one four eight four six one zero USA literally a home address. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:59:00 To a 1000 square foot townhouse in Philly with three bedrooms and one bathroom that was built in 1925 in the 70s and 80s. This was home to a man called Julius Peroli, who was a railroad worker better known as Railroad Joe, who regularly rode the rails to many of the major cities, housing tiles, most notably the very, very far away ones. But unfortunately, Peroli also passed away far too early in 1987, and his house was sold to someone else in 1988 for about $24,000, which does nothing for us, except makes me really mad that houses used to be $24,000 in cities. Which is fucking insane. But that brings us to our third suspect, which funnily enough, strangely enough, might also be connected to both our first and second suspects and is also in the documentary fingered as like the most likely person who it could be.
Starting point is 01:00:00 And this is also, by the way, the opinion of Toinbidea.com. The people from Toinbidea.com are very similar group of people to the people in the movie Resurrected, the documentary about this. Because you see, the third person on the suspect list is none other than the current resident of that same address, a man called Severino Verna or Sevi, whose name I've only included here because it's already mentioned in the movie. And it's also mentioned everywhere online. But I also want to say to never visit this address, even though I said it out loud or bother this person or anyone else in that neighborhood, because it will solve nothing and it will only stress out some people who truly do not deserve to be stressed out, especially in 2021. So I don't care where the fuck you live. Stay the fuck away from this place.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Don't bother anyone there. I know that you're going to find it if you want to go looking for it. But I cannot tell you enough how much I don't want you to go there. But other than this train guy's access to these other cities, another big reason why people are so sure about this address being linked to the tiles is that dotting the streets and sidewalks around it are all these little like proto tiles that you can find that are like almost like proof of concept like practice run type shit. And they're like all over the place, just like little things that are like, you can totally see the DNA of the final tiles in them and they're like everywhere.
Starting point is 01:01:36 It means that whoever made the tiles had likely been planning it for a while. And though it wasn't a fit for Railroad Joe or James Marasco, Seve Verna fits it in pretty much every way. In the stories about the tiles, Verna is depicted as a dedicated artist and human who grew up in an eclectic family. The website toynbidea.com refuses to use Verna's name, but just out of respect because they want to keep them anonymous, because they don't want people to like the top Google result for this to have that person's name. But Jesse, I'm going to give you this little quote to read from that website anyway.
Starting point is 01:02:16 I'm going to drop it in the chat right here. This is almost certainly about Verna. One uncle was a politically connected funeral director. Another relative was the inventor of instant replay. Other close family include an artist, mechanic, even the owner of a tile store. He was born in the 1950s and grew up somewhere in this creative mix. We know through documents and acquaintances that he was a fan of science fiction. He also had skills in car modifications, including converting Fiat 128 sedans into pickups and installing vinyl lettering and artwork on commercial vehicles.
Starting point is 01:02:55 Yeah. So the deeper you look into this guy, you sort of get this picture of a man who is obsessed with the finality of death since childhood. Even at 12, the stories of this guy picking up dead pigeons and toss them in a bucket and like covering them with cement as a way of sealing and preserving them until they could be resurrected. So thematically, this kid is on point. And once he hit upon the Jupiter, Toynbee idea, he tried feverishly for years to spread his idea over the shortwave radio with pamphlets, likely even using the alias James Marasco until finally after facing enough ridicule
Starting point is 01:03:36 and growing to hate the media and the government and the made up hellion Jews that control it or whatever. He settled on the tiles as his way of finally entering the zeitgeist. And neighbors even mentioned that he was known to drive around in a car which had no passenger seat in it. Which, if you know what we've been talking about, you know, kind of implies that maybe that was the car that we've all been seeing about where he can like go down through the floor and lay his tiles down on the street. Oh, OK. But nevertheless, Verna himself remains a recluse and has never given any outward acknowledgement that it is in fact him laying these tiles, seemingly not interested in any sort of personal attention.
Starting point is 01:04:18 So the mystery continues. Though there are some accounts of him sharing some letters and stuff with the people from the website, but it's like not confirmed. And I have like no idea where they're getting it from. So I'm just not going to like say that's part of the story. But it's pretty sad, right? Like it's kind of like a sad like concept from from like a ways back. You step back and you look at this and it's kind of sad.
Starting point is 01:04:41 Like this guy was just so over death that he just sort of like, you know, try to figure out some plan for reversing it. And it's and, you know, it's kind of like that's a lot of people throughout history. That's a lot of motivators and people of like why they come up with stuff. Yeah. It's because the finality of like, well, it's going to get you full. I don't. That's very strange to think.
Starting point is 01:05:04 I guess what I'm trying to figure out is I was going to say, was he older? I imagine he would be an older man in the like 2010s because you said he's born in the 50s. He's born in the 50s. Spread out less from Philadelphia. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, my first thought was when you said the guy died in 2003, I was like, oh, copycat. It's a cat.
Starting point is 01:05:26 But if they're saying it was this other guy, then maybe he just got older and was like, I can't go to Chile anymore or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Recent update. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:38 The guy would be like 70 something right now. Recent updates. The last I've heard Verna, the last, the last like Verna details that I've heard are from the movie and from like the press tours around the movie. I have no idea if he's alive or dead right now, though, again, if he is alive, he is a 70 year old man. So do not visit his address or bother him or contact him in any way. It's obviously not what he wants.
Starting point is 01:06:04 And if the dude from the movie could, the dude from the movie said that he ran into him on a bus and like recognized him and was like, I, and like, if he was able to stop himself from confronting this guy, I think you out there listening to this can at least be that respectful of this guy. Yeah. But also in 2006, while filming the movie, this guy who, who did I say his name? Yeah, his name is Justin Dewar. This guy who's like the main subject of the movie, Resurrected, which again, you can watch
Starting point is 01:06:39 it in pretty good quality on YouTube. It's like solid. It's like totally like feels like you're watching not a bootleg. I don't know if it's actually bootleg. He, when he was filming the movie in 2006, he went on to a like popular short rave, a shortwave radio station at that was that was broadcasting live at a like shortwave radio like because it's shortwave. So you got to like all be together to like listen to it.
Starting point is 01:07:06 So like they went to like a festival of shortwave radio and this one guy who had like a big reach and it's all from Pennsylvania. They went on and they asked about the Minority Association, which is the like Jupiter group that was named in the article with James Morasco. And if anybody knew anything about that or could help out and amazingly somebody actually responded and said that they actually did listen to one of those pirate radio shows back in the day and actually wrote into their PO box for more info and it actually showed up when they when they sent out for it.
Starting point is 01:07:42 And I have a PDF of it all that was painstakingly downloaded one by one on a shitty DSL connection 15 years ago. I don't know what it means, but if you look through it, it does actually contain the name Severino Verna in there, which kind of like solidifies the James Morasco connection. And you guys can like look it over and see if you guys can make anything out of it. But there's a lot going on in this document and it's kind of how dare this all be in cursive. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. Dare they some of it's in cursive.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Some of it's like drawing some of it's typed. There's like a map of like this like of Europe and Asia that shows like a thousand mile wide corridor. There's like two diagonal lines. Yeah, there's like a letter that's like literally written by Severino Verna. Just a little strange things, essays, files. Yes, this is a jumble of stuff. Yeah, it's all it's all.
Starting point is 01:08:46 The people of the USSR. What the hell? Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot going on. But obviously, I will throw that up on Reddit if you guys bug me. But it's some interesting stuff. A lot of it, like almost everything that you're looking for visually, you can find it at toymbidea.com. But if you bug me, I'll throw some stuff up on Reddit.
Starting point is 01:09:08 And finally, just in case you're wondering the last official tile I can find any evidence of was laid in 2016. But since then, there's been some pretty high profile copycats. Some people have like copied tiles exactly. But there's another one called House of Hades. That's very, very popular in like the New York way, mostly. They're all over the country now, but they're a little bit hipper. They're a little bit less erratic seeming. They're still very like anti media, but like in a more like focused way.
Starting point is 01:09:39 That's like a little more stylish. And where the normal tiles say Toymbidea, these say House of Hades on them so that, you know, you can't really mistake one for a real one. And also they last a lot shorter time. So that's part of their deal. They even actually laid some out in front of the theater when the documentary was premiering, which was kind of cool. But yeah, that's it. Those are the Toymbide tiles. This is a rabbit hole that you can go down for hours on your own, even after hearing this episode.
Starting point is 01:10:13 There's tons of shit here to puzzle out and read about. And first, it looks like it looks like feelies from a fucking adventure game, all this stuff. Like it really does. It's a good comparison, actually. Shout outs to the Toymbidea tiles. One of the weirdest mysteries that anybody can just walk up and check out in real life all over the world. Please post pictures of tiles in your city. If you've got them and you know where they are, you can go look on the map.
Starting point is 01:10:35 I would love to see some in the subreddit. It's not as scary or paranormal as a lot of the other stuff we do. Certainly interesting as fuck. And finally, finally, finally to David Mamet. Stop lying, dude. We got you, dude. You're caught. You're not fucking got you.
Starting point is 01:10:50 You're the one to die. You've been caught. Stop lying, dude. Finally. You didn't make that shit up. There's no way you made that up. Stop lying. Let the record show.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Come clean, my dude. Come clean, David Mamet. You want to come on to our show? Go ahead. It's way landed. David Mamet. What is what is steel that would be? This isn't about embarrassing anybody.
Starting point is 01:11:11 You know, this is about doing what's right. Set in the record straight. You will be right. You will be accepted with open arms and treated respectfully on the show. David Mamet, come on down. I love you. All that positive karma will be. But we got to we got to clear this up.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Thank you so much, Alex, for bringing this this wild little weird adventure mystery thing going on in our modern day. Now now 1960s LA makes a lot more sense. Yeah. Why you're why you're chilling there. You guys. You guys can't see it, but Alex is right now sitting in the middle of a 1960s street in LA.
Starting point is 01:11:44 It's incredible. Capitol Records building behind me. The zoom is an amazing tool. Shout outs to King King out my bedroom. Yeah. I mean, man, 20 be tiles. That's like one of the classic modern American mystery things. So I hope you guys were tantalized by it.
Starting point is 01:12:03 And if you were tantalized to want more, head over to patreon.com slash Luminati pod. We're about to go do a mini so right now for everybody. So we'll be over there for everybody who's of that tier. We got some stuff to chat about. Can I tease? Can I tease what I'm going to be talking about? Oh, please tease away. Grenades.
Starting point is 01:12:20 What? Grenades. Yeah. Okay. What? All right. We'll see. Grenades.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Grenades in the chill mini. Watch out. Everybody. And see you all next week. Good bye. I'm indulging on our porch one night enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom. So I stepped back inside.
Starting point is 01:12:38 And after a few moments, I hear my wife go, Holy shit. Get out here. So I quickly dash back outside. She's looking up at the sky. I look up too. And there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky. Yeah. Mr. World here, playing a little beach volleyball, diving in the sand, digging some shots, trying
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