Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 11 - The Dyatlov Pass Incident

Episode Date: August 20, 2018

GET YOUR TSHIRT HERE - theyetee.com/products/chilluminati-logo A mystery to this day, we break down the insanity that is the 1959 unsolved mystery of the Dyatlov Pass! Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/chilluminatipodcast Jesse Cox - www.youtube.com/jessecox Alex Faciane - www.youtube.com/user/Thenation... Art Commissioned by - mollyheadycarroll.com

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Caesar, love them back. All right, like I said, this is an episode people have been really, really pumped for, so I'm really excited to dive into it. So let's just jump into Chilluminati, episode 11. Hello everybody, and welcome, welcome, welcome. This is a, I think we've been getting requests for this episode, and again, Jesse, you don't know what it is yet, but we've been getting requests. I have no clue.

I know, but we've been getting requests for this episode since episode one. So this has been something people have been looking forward to for a while. This is one of those stories. This is like one of the ones that's in every book. Oh, this is like prime. This is like prime lore for extraterrestrials and paranormal stuff. Oh man, this is an episode, Jesse, where the explanations range from scientific to aliens. I can't wait.

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Did I try it at night? All right. Jesse, I'm going to say this and you're immediately going to know what we're talking about. This episode, episode 11 is all about the incident from 1959 Soviet Union, the Dyatlov Pass incident. Yeah. Oh, they made a game about this. They did.

Colot actually. Yeah. Colot. Yep. They did. I played through Colot as well. I know exactly. This, all right.

Y'all, y'all, we're about to go right now on this episode. Yes. Is going to twist your mind around. Are you a believer in this? You're going to be like so messed up by the end of this because none of this makes sense and it's fascinating. Are you convinced? That's what's so fascinating.

Paranormal activity in this one? Is that what I'm hearing? So this is what's so great about this particular topic is that it's something that actually happened and that the evidence that they found and everything, all the circumstantial stuff that they found around the people that ended up dying and it lead to nothing. Even to this day. Don't spoil it. They don't know.

Don't spoil that stuff. All right. Alex, do you not know this story? I know this story. Okay, cool. Oh, okay. All right. So just for people who want to read along and go with me, the book I used mostly for

research in this one is called Dead Mountain. The Untold True Story of the Dyatlov Pass incident, it's by Donnie Iker, who is a known documentarian. He makes a bunch of documentaries. He actually made one about this as well if you want to go watch that, as well as your typical random research and stuff on the internet that I go and do. However, we're going to be covering just the highlights. So if you want the in-depth stuff, I always recommend going to grab the book and just

really diving into just the nonsense that this was. But our story is and takes place in the winter of 1959, where a group of initially 10 but ended up being nine, seven men and two women, young, skiing enthusiasts from the Ural Polytechnical Institute in Russia, now known as the Ural Federal University, came together to hike through the northern Ural Mountains in the Soviet Union between the dates of February 1st and February 2nd, which is specifically those two dates were when they passed through this area that they ended up getting lost in and dying in. After setting up camp on the slopes of Kolat Siklil, I'm going to butcher a lot of names

here, just be weary. I am not good with Russian in any way. But what's interesting is that they set up camps on the slopes of Kolat Siklil, and that name is from the indigenous language of the people that live there directly translates into something along the lines of do not go there. Like get the fuck out of here, pass. That is Kolat Siklil means do not go there. Other people translate it to death mountain, but somewhere along, basically no matter how

you translate it, it basically says why would you go there? Let me ask you a question. Is this a place that people went a lot, or is this like nine crazy people just like walked into the wilderness? So hiking trails and mountain climbing and all that stuff is graded, from usually like A, B, or C, 1, 2, or 3, 3 being the most difficult. This was graded a 3 this area. So only the most experience of climbers and skiers and mountaineers would ever attempt

this place. And there is a path there that the indigenous people did travel, but for the most part, people did not go there. And were these those people though? Were these like the people that are going to take the 3 in stride? So these people here, the people that we're talking about that ended up dying, they were ranked grade 2, and we're going to get to all that here in a minute as to what their ranking was and how seasoned they were as far as mountaineers and all that other stuff

is. That's why they don't go up the ranks. And let's be very clear, currently right now, it is a big tourist attraction this area. Because of this. So it isn't like, I don't know if it's because of this, but possibly, but I know right now currently as of us talking for many years, at least a decade or two, it has been a really popular tourist attraction. So that's where they ended up setting up camp, and that's where they ended up resting for

the night. Something would send them into a panic and send them off running from their camp into the middle, in the middle of the night into the wilderness. And their bodies, all of them, would not be found for two months after they went missing. Some were found a little earlier, others were found when Spring Melt came around. And we'll talk all about what that was. All of them were found roughly about a mile away from where their initial campsite was set up.

All nine had died, six from hypothermia, and three from serious physical trauma, which we will cover as we go. And the area that they hiked would be retroactively renamed to the Dyatlov Pass, named after the leader of the now dead hikers, Igor Dyatlov. So that's just the general rundown of what we're going to cover here. And again, we'll mostly be covering highlights in depth stuff could take forever to go through. And I don't know if this is really... It's just more forensic.

Yeah. Yeah, it's not something we want to spend more than, like, an episode on. So let's talk first about the group, who these people were, were they really even experienced enough to be doing what they were doing, and then we'll talk about the event. So this group of mountaineers were not amateurs, as people would initially suspect. They were actually incredibly experienced skiers and hikers. They were considered a grade two. And upon completing this particular hike, they would end up...

That they ended up dying in. If they got back alive, they were going to be awarded what is known as grade three, which is as far as I could tell in what I could research. If not the highest, one of the highest gradings you could have as somebody who does this as an enthusiast. So this was actually like their prestige challenge. Correct. The group of them were made...

All came from the same college. Some of them are just recently graduated, some of them were almost graduating. And this is basically... This was their obsession. They loved skiing and hiking and being mountaineers. This is something they've been doing for many, many, many, many years. And they had trekked across very dangerous things, like a lot of ice, thin ice, lakes and such.

They were not inexperienced, is the point. So suffice to say, this is not something they were new at. The group had actually spent many months prepping for this trip in particular, doing research, ensuring they had the right gear for it, food preparations, medical preparations, all the things needed. So this also wasn't something that they kind of did on a whim either, as experienced as they were. There was also not nine of them initially.

There were ten. The tenth member was named Yuri, and he actually had to turn back after the very first day when they set out due to a heart condition and other ailments that he was suffering. But because of that, he ended up surviving. And he would be interviewed later on after the incident. And he recalls that... One of the things that he actually recalled in an interview, as part of all of this, was that before they had officially set out, one of the native folks who lived in the area

was actually having a conversation with the lead hiker, Igor, and continually warned him, do not go out there. But Igor never listened, and obviously they proceeded on their own accord. I can't imagine just sidetracking, being like these hikers and knowing the name of the area you're going to is like Death Mountain or Do Not Go There, and then you have these native people being like, definitely shouldn't go there dude, like don't do it, and then being like, fuck it, we're going anyway. Are we sure this dude, Yuri, wasn't just like, yo, let's leave?

And they were like, no. And he was like, I have a stomachache. I have something I want to read you guys when we're done. Oh, OK. I'm excited. That relates to this. When we're done with the main story, apparently there's no evidence that this is true. One of the climbers kept a diary and they have the information on that.

Yeah. I'd be curious. Because there were a ton of diaries and journals found amongst the evidence and whatnot. That's actually how we were able to even track how they got to where they were and the routes that they actually took, because even before they left for their trip, they were taking notes in their journals and all this other stuff. So these diaries are legit, probably, is what you're saying? Yes.

The diaries, at the very least, are legit. Damn. I thought you were going to say that you were going to read us a poem that you wrote about this. In high school. It was like his senior English. Like a big fan. Oh, I want to know what that poem would be like.

Damn it. All right. All right. All right. So on January 27th, 1959, they would start their journey from the small village of Vis High, and it was on January 28th that Yuri, the 10th member, would turn back due to severe knee and joint pain that made him unable to push onward. Yeah, right, Yuri. He's like, I heard him saying the guide was like, turn back. Do not go this way. And then suddenly my knee started hurting.

So I came back the day after it. Oh, I just do hear that creaking. I just remember my knee. Oh, shit. My knee just cracked. I got to listen. Igor, you're a good dude. I like you a lot.

You know, when we had that cook out a couple of weeks ago, it was really great. Plus, it smells all monthly. It smells like a monster's piss. Oh, right. Russian accents. That's something I cannot do. So I'll rely on you. So other than him turning back, being the 10th member, it's also important to note we know a lot of the information that we do because the hikers had, like Jesse

and I were saying a minute ago, they had journals and they wrote and kept them pretty updated regularly, as well as cameras, which would allow investigators and researchers to accurately track their path through the mountains. They had photographs that they were taking in real time of their expedition. Yeah. Have you never have you seen any of those photos? No, I've never actually looked into that. Oh, you should, dude. Good.

Jesse, excuse me. Yeah, no, there was a a special. I don't know if it was National Geographic or something. There was a special that was done years ago that was about this incident and they had photos. They found photos and one of the photos I who knows exactly what it is. And maybe online, you can find this, but one of the photos. It it it has what appears to be according to people who are in this world.

Maybe in a bombable snowman, maybe an entirely new side of you, Jesse. Well, here's the thing. I don't believe it, but I'm fascinated by the story because there's no answers. We know. Yeah. Right. Like that's why I'm hesitant to say a bombable snowman because they don't. But what they did find, which I think is fascinating, is there's there's a notation that they found on some of something they had written on.

I don't remember. It's been a while since I've seen this. And instead, like now we know the and then it was like scratched is real. See, what's also interesting. Well, we're going to get to all the theories, obviously, later in the episode. But what's also interesting when you say about the bombable snowman, the Yeti is that in December, the month following or a few months following rather after they they they went on their trip.

Oh, no, it was a month before. Sorry. December, the month before they went on their trip, a senator had written a memo or or something that had gotten sent off. That's that directly talks about if you run into a Yeti, how to deal with it in that area specifically. And that's a thing that's real and happened. Yeah, like, like, I don't I don't know that I feel like a lot of this is people trying to come up with solutions or trying to put their theories

into what happened here, because yeah, we're going to get into some crazy stuff that people everyone has a reason why things happen. But it's it's strange to me that there's the situation here is so insane that they can't. I don't know. I have no I have not a clue what happened. And that's what's fascinating. Not all the theories about what like, oh, it was aliens. It was a secret military experiment or whatever.

That whatever. But the mystery is what's fascinating to me. Yeah, especially when we talk about how the bodies were found and where they were that that's that's the part that's like, what happened? OK, so they all had cameras. Also, did you ever see the the last picture that was found on the cameras? I got to see these fucking pictures. So yeah, you should just Google it, man. It's really easy.

The very last photo that was found on one of their cameras was just of a weird bright light in the middle of the darkness. That's it. It's always there's no no figure. You can't see a figure. It is just a weird bright light that is unidentifiable. And that was the last exposure or whatever that the camera had taken before they ended up dying. This is crazy.

Yeah, this this this incident is something I've researched many times over the years, just because it's so fascinating. OK, so again, journals, photos are the reasons that we were able to even figure out where they went and how things were and how they prepared and such. And on January 31st, the young mountaineers stopped at the edge of a highland area and started to prep for climbing. The next day, the group began to move through the area that would claim their lives. From what we can tell, it looks as though the group had initially planned

to go over the pass and camp the for the following night on the other side. But due to some really nasty weather and a snowstorm and very poor visibility, they ended up losing their direction and actually headed west toward Colote Siechel instead of the initial path that they were intentionally trying to take. How off how off was that? They were off by about a mile and a half or so from from from memory because I didn't write down exactly how off they were. But they were off enough where tracking back was was going to be difficult.

Got it. They actually did initially realize their mistake, however, and decided to stop and set up camp on this slope instead of attempting to go back a mile downhill to the tree line where there was a forested area where they would have had better shelter and just generally would have been much safer down there. But they did not do that. For whatever reason, we don't really know why they decided not to go down a mile and go to somewhere that was way safer.

But the one that that ended up turning back, Yuri, his best guess was to say that Igor didn't want to lose any of the progress that they had already made and that they just decided to tough it out for the night at the base of the slope and then just pick up tomorrow morning and readjust in correct course for how often they were on their initial planning. So they just totally screwed up right at the gate. Yeah, day two, the weather basically fucked them and they were off. They were off course instantly.

However, who knows if that even mattered, you know, like, we don't know. We don't know if that's the reason they they encountered what they encountered or what. It's just it's just something interesting to keep keep in mind. The plan actually was that once Igor and his crew got to where they were supposed to go, they would telegraph back on February 12th that they had made it to their destination. But of course, that telegraph never came. And on February 26th, the search and rescue team that had been out looking for them starting on the 20th found their abandoned and destroyed tent

that had been torn and ripped to shreds from the inside with all the groups, belongings, shoes, gear, clothing left behind in that tent. And this is where the weirdness begins from the inside. Yes. So the evidence shows that the the tent had been cut and ripped from the inside out, not from the outside in. And they they left in such a hurry and such a panic that they left shoes and gear and food and all that stuff in their tent. What the fuck, right?

Yeah, dude, get ready. It's even crazier. So the question is, what the hell happened? When the camp was found, it immediately set off red flags. As I said, the tent that they were staying in had been ripped and cut through from the inside where they were sleeping. And as I had noted before, shoes and all kinds of gear was left in that tent as the nine of them went running toward the tree line about a mile down.

Whatever had happened that set them into a pure panic, made sure did not give them enough time to get their gear and stuff in order. And all of this was taking place in the middle of the night, somewhere between negative twenty four and negative. I mean, negative twenty five and negative thirty degrees Fahrenheit. That's how cold it was. And they ran out in their underwear and no shoes. So if they lay down, if they just by choice decided to lay down in the snow,

how long would it take for them to? That's a good question. Yeah, minutes, maybe dead in minutes. Yeah. Huh. The tracks that the skiers had led right down to the tree line that we talked about a little earlier, however, after about sixteen hundred feet, the tracks ended up disappearing. However, that's likely due to weather having whipping up some snow and covering part of the tracks and stuff, but something to know.

And the very first bodies discovered were two of them under a very large pine tree at the edge of this tree line. The two that were found were Doroshenko and Crivon Cishenko, as well as the remnants of a campfire. So the two of them, at the very least, were able to start a campfire where they were. The two bodies were shoeless and dressed in only their underwear. Branches from the large pine tree were broken up to five meters high, suggesting that at least one of them had attempted or maybe even

successfully successfully climbed that tree to maybe look for something. People posited that whoever was climbing it was maybe trying to get a vantage point to see the tent and see the camp that they had come from. But obviously we don't know. But the fact that those two bodies were missing everything other than their underwear is interesting because it means they lived for that mile walk from their campsite to this tree line and were able to get a campfire going. So they so so they ran just a little bit away.

But it was so fucked up weather wise. It was a one mile, one mile away. Yeah, that they that they couldn't even figure out how to get back. So they just were so lost that they decided to just like sit down and start a fire. Start a fire, I guess. Yeah, we don't know why they did what they did, obviously. But yeah, I mean, how far how far apart were they? Because they were used to they're all about a mile from the camp, right?

So those two bodies were found together under the large pine tree about a mile away from the camp on the tree line that they refused to walk back down and camp under for the night. And you said earlier that the rest of them were all found about a mile away as well. Yeah, we're going to get to where they all found here in a minute, actually. So between the campsite and also also let's be very clear. There is zero evidence whatsoever that they were forcibly removed, correct, that there are any other footprints

besides their footprints. There is nothing else was found. So whatever happened, they did this on their own accord. They did this by themselves. Yep. So they just so they just got up and left. In a hurry, like again, they they freaking cut their way out of their tent. And they all did this. Yes, all of them.

None of them were at the campsite when they were found, not a single one of them. So is it is it possible that something got in the tent and then they just all were like, whoa, and just like ran away and then they all got lost? I mean, possibly. But as Jesse said, there was no other footprints or tracks, right? Like then no, like Big Bear or something like that. And be. But the other. Yeah, exactly. But the other thing that that's interesting, again,

is that after from the campsite to the pine tree, sixteen hundred feet about after their tracks appear just due to weather covering it. So again, there could have been tracks of something else that were just covered with from from weather kicking snow over it. And in this and another crazy thing. And I don't know if you mentioned this. The idea that at that campsite, there were branches and stuff above where they were camped that were broken and they don't know

if that was they broke them to use for the wood for the fire. Yeah. Or if they were broken because they were trying to climb up the tree. Yeah, that's actually what I said just a minute ago. About five meters up, the tree had broken in the in the camp. No, no, where they found the bodies where they're trying to make the fire. The theory isn't just that like they took that to make the fire. The theory is also possibly they were trying to climb the tree at some point. Yeah, yeah, I said, like I said, they were trying to they were positing

that maybe they were trying to see their campsite from the tree. Somebody climbed the tree to see if they could see their camp from there or something. Right. But we don't know. We don't know what they were doing. But yeah, it's possible that somebody was climbing that tree. So where were the other bodies? So actually three other bodies were found between the pine tree and the campsite. The bodies belonging to Colmogorova, Slavodin and the leader of the group,

Igor Dyatlov. These guys were found between the camp and the tree line. And the way their bodies were positioned when they were found suggests that those three were attempting to return to the campsite that they had just run from. So it looked like they maybe left from the fire to try and get back. Or or at least they left from the tree line. But yeah, we don't we don't know if they were at that campfire or not.

There's no way to know. It was a pretty direct shot. Yeah, basically they were found between and again, the way they were positioned suggests that they were on their way back to the campsite from wherever they were. And none of them seemed injured prior to their death. We're going to get to their injuries. I see, I see. OK, however, that was only five and they were nine.

It would take over two months to find the remaining four. And it would have to be and they were found in May after some snow would melt that the other bodies would be discovered approximately four meters under snow in a ravine, 75 meters further into the woods, past the pine tree. So the other bodies had gone past the pine tree, past the campfire by about 75 meters and were found in a ravine under snow. But still relatively close. And here's the crazy part.

They were found wearing the clothes of the other. Literally, that's my next point. Yeah, yeah. These four were much better dressed and had shown showed signs that they had maybe taken clothes from those who had passed away before they did. One was wearing another's hat and fur coat, while another was wrapped in the pants of somebody else.

The other people that they were with? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Like they swapped clothes or they know they just took the clothes. They took their clothes. They took the clothes because the theory is that those people were dying or dead, so they took their clothes in order to continue. Right. What I'm saying, what I'm I guess what I'm asking is the people that were naked, that was their clothes?

Yes. OK. Yep. Got it. But again, none of it explains why none of them had like their shoes and like they were not prepared for any of this. Yes. And rather than go back to the camp, they just took the clothes of the people that were there in front of them and kept going. I wonder if they were just good. I wonder if they just like went crazy.

I wonder if they just like started doing crazy shit if they that. Well, that's a theory. Really? Yeah. Well, there's a bunch of theories that they actually just kind of lost their minds, whether that kind of thing. But again, something we will we will address in a very short amount. So how many bodies are we at now? Seven. So we're at five. Well, we're actually after those four, that's all nine.

OK. So they were all together in the ravine. The other four, they were all relatively. Yeah. The other four were in the ravine, two by the pine tree and three between the campsite and the pine tree. So all within less than two miles? Yes, all within about two miles of each other. So not which for experienced hikers. I mean, you can you can see how just nature slowly killed them over time.

Pretty much. So. But there's more. There always is. So shortly after they found the initial five bodies, a legal investigation was launched to try and figure out, obviously, what happened medical exams show that the first five people that were found had likely died from hypothermia and showed no injuries that would lead them to believe they died from anything else. One of those five did have a fractured skull, however,

but nothing that was bad enough that was deemed to be lethal to him. It would not even be a fractured skull. I guess it was like it was a minor fracture, a small fracture. I mean, he could have fallen maybe, you know, from from something hit his head on something. Yeah, I think the theory was that they couldn't tell if it was before or after he passed out, because he technically was still technically still alive. Yeah. And so when he fell, he might have happened like.

Yeah, I guess the other thing is they could just be like ragdolls, like right, just blowing around once they're dead. Like, who knows what the fuck? Sure. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, we don't know. So the first five bodies, again, this is the two by the pine tree and the three between the camp and the pine tree, all deemed like they died from hypothermia. And for the first two months, that's what people believed. Is that the whole they all just died from hypothermia and weather got them,

et cetera, et cetera. But it wouldn't be until the discovery of the other four bodies in the ravine that the narrative would significantly change as their injuries couldn't be and still can't be fully explained. These are the ones in the ravine, like four meters. These are the ones in the ravine. Yep, exactly. Three of the four bodies that were found in the ravine had massive

skull damage, and two of them had severe chest fractures. Dr. Boris Vazrazadeni, again, I'm butchering names, had stated that the force needed to induce such kinds of damage would have to be extremely high. And then he compared it to something akin to a car crash. That kind of pressure would have to have hit them to injure their skulls and give them chest fractures. But there's a twist. There's a twist. However, there were no outer wounds that correlated with any of their fractures

whatsoever, suggesting high level pressure to cause such such fractures like something like a like an elephant standing on you or something. Yeah, I guess. Something along the lines about falling in. But there's no. No, you would have been. You wouldn't have lacerations. You would have been right.

Well, here's the crazy thing. That's only three of the four bodies. Three of the four bodies are messed up like that. But the fourth body. I'm just letting Mathis do this. Yes. But one in the group, Dubonina. She had a bit of a different set of injuries. Dubonina. She was missing Dubonina.

Dubonina. That is an outrageous name. That's a it's a it's a name that I am does. I'm sure I'm pronouncing incorrectly. Any name is Dubonina. It's. Yeah. She had different injuries. She was missing her tongue, eyes, part of her lips and facial tissue,

as well as having a fragment of skull bone sticking out like she had skin macerations on her hands and was accordingly, and I say this on purpose, reportedly found a lying face down in a small stream that ran under the snow. And her external injuries were in line with putrefaction in a wet area and were unlikely to be related to her death. However, photos of her body show her kneeling next to a very large boulder nowhere near running water, immediately putting the official report in the photograph at odds.

So she's the one that I'm seeing here who's like kind of up against this wall. Yeah, possibly if you're looking at the picture, I think. Yeah, I think so. But yeah, the official report was that she was found facing lying down in a river, but the photo of her body found says something very different. Interesting. So the competing stories are like she was chewed up by a monster or something or or wildlife maybe or who knows.

Yeah, I know I've heard stories of like wind over time, like when it's like really sharp wind, but if she's faced down against the rock like frozen in snow four meters under the snow, I don't know. Yeah, but the fact that she's missing her eyes and her tongue. Yeah, it's so weird. I would love to know like what the what if that's like a thing that ice does, or if that's like probably like something ate it or what. Yeah, the last bit of little evidence found on all of their bodies and their clothing specifically,

which throws a leather twist into this, is that there was there is found to be an abnormal amount of radiation present on their clothes. No way. Correct. Yep. Yep. Yep. So I'm just supposed to think so like now obviously like my conspiracy brain is just

thinking about like some sort of nuclear Siberian snow beast. That's why this is so fascinating because every time you get a little bit more information, it all doesn't make sense with reality, right? Like everything in this story is, well, you know, this happened, but also this happened, and this happened, but also this happened. And now radiation, right? You throw radiation on anything and it makes it even crazy. Yeah, I know I know that like the fact these photos are so old is like really a part of

why they look so creepy, but looking at these, they're just so eerie. Like, uh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The pictures of their bodies and stuff and everything is just really, really, really creepy, man. It's it's it's really bizarre how they just like stay in the pose that they were found even when they move them because they're like frozen. Oh, yeah, they're frozen.

It's like it's like the bodies. Have you seen the pictures of the bodies on Everest of those who are left behind and all like the landmarkers and stuff? Yeah. And there's the bodies themselves and all that. It's really creepy and it's very similar. But there's all kinds of little inconsistencies that we're going to get to now because now we're going to start getting into the theories of what happened from everything that's that's,

you know, scientific to weather related all the all the way up to fucking aliens because, of course, potential aliens, I'll shut up. Never mind. I was going to add one other thing that got discovered about this, but it might relate to the aliens. But all right. So I think I know you're going to say, yeah, during this time period, there were other skiers.

I don't are hikers. I don't know where they were in relation to them. You're talking about the other mountain. Are you talking about the reported of like glowing lights and stuff? Basically, another group. This is a group of people were there at the exact same time hiking, but on like a different side of the mountain or something. And they noticed lights in the sky.

Orange balls. And that's what those that picture is supposed to be of. Oh, of the of the last photo. Who knows? Again, people have said that that's what that is. But we again, we don't know. We don't know when that picture was taken either. We don't know if that was taken that night or another night because there was right.

We were not sure. Not a definite record on. But again, the thing about that, then, of course, because none of these things are simple as it seems course. The people that were on the mountain at the same time were not in the initial report. It was like years later they came forward and were like, oh, yeah, yeah, we were on the mountain, we saw lights. So that could just be opportunists.

You never you never know. But those orange lights will not only come into effect with the aliens, but something a little bit more, in my opinion, believable. That's a little bit more based in reality. But we'll talk about that here in a minute. So just to go everything. Journalists were reporting specifically on things like the hypothermia. There was no indications of like of fighting or anything like that.

One of the initial, I think, theories that was a bit of a positive foe is that the indigenous people living nearby attacked and killed them all. But that's kind of, again, with with no footprints other than the hikers. That doesn't make any sense that there's no evidence that they were attacked by a group of other people. We have no idea. How far did you say the footprints went away from the camp again? 1600 feet before they disappeared.

Huh. So they went a decent distance out. And then everywhere leading up to where they were found, no tracks at all. Correct. Huh. Not even like, well I guess maybe the snow fell on it, question mark? Well that's the other thing, right? Like the idea that the tracks only went 1600 feet before they ended up disappearing

indicates that weather and winds and snow kicking up cover their tracks. So it's possible that if there were other tracks from other things, whether they be people or creatures or whatever, the weather could have covered them up over time. But again, who fucking knows? We don't know. And that's what's so interesting and bizarre about this whole thing. Another little kind of piece of anecdotal evidence as well, and evidence might be a strong word, but there was also a young kid, was he 13?

Hang on, let me look my notes. 12, he was 12 years old. That his name was Yuri as well, who attended the funeral for five of the hikers. And he says he remembers their skin looking a deep brown tan for what that's worth. Brown tan, is that consistent with freezing to death? I don't know. That's a good question. I have no idea.

I would have, I didn't go that deep down the rabbit hole. I'm not sure. Possibly hypothermia maybe? Yeah, that'd be my guess. Again, that's something that makes sense. And then the next, my next note actually is what Jesse said, is that the other group of hikers, they say they were about 31 miles south of the incident. Say they saw strange orange spheres in the sky to the north of them on the night of the incident.

The spheres were said to be seen in Yvdel, I think that's how you say it. Next to places that during the, next to areas continually during the period from February to March of 1959. So between March and February, or February and March of that year, spheres were continually being seen. Not necessarily every night, but it wasn't just a one night occurrence that spheres were being seen pretty regularly in that month. And that's not just by that group of hikers, but other independent witnesses,

including meteorology services and the military themselves. So those orange spheres, Jesse, that you talk about those campers, were backed up by meteorology and military. Interesting. So they were happening, but they were not noted in the initial investigation. They were happening. And various independent, and various independent witnesses only came forward, like you said, a few years later.

Just the fact that there were reports was, is what's happened, right? They weren't confirmed as a specific type of activity, right? What do you mean? Like the reports are just verified as being legit of the time, right? It's not like they know what caused the orbs, right? Right, right, right. But the, but the orbs were, yeah, correct. We don't know what caused the orbs.

However, it was 100% confirmed by military and so on that those orbs were around for whatever. And is that supposed to connect to the, to the skin? No, that's more going to connect to a couple of theories later on. Okay, I see. Actually, but it is important because it's, it's just something to keep in note. We're actually going to get into the theories now of what we think happened, kind of starting with the most plausible or the most plausible is a little bit of a strong word, but something more grounded in reality and the getting a little weirder and

weirder and weirder as we go on. And the first one that that was put forward and the one that was kind of written away pretty quickly is the avalanche theory that the avalanche caused the hikers to die while initially popular has been since questioned reviewing the sensationalist Yeti hypothesis. American skeptic, his name was Benjamin Radford suggests is more plausible. So he's thinking that this guy, Benjamin Radford says avalanche probably didn't happen. The Yeti is much more plausible. Who is this guy?

What is this guy's credentials? He is good. I did not know his credentials. Mayor of Crazy Town Mountain. Let's see if I can find him real quick. Oh, definitely the Yeti. It's more consistent with the confirmed Yeti attack that we had. Benjamin Radford, here's his wiki page.

American writer, investigator and skeptic. He is authored, co-authored and contributed to over 20 books and written over a thousand articles and columns on a wide variety of topics including urban legends, unexplained mysteries, the paranormal, critical thinking, mass hysteria, and media literacy. His book, Mysterious New Mexico Miracles, Magic and Monsters in the Land of Enchantment was published in the summer of 2014 and is a scientific investigation of famous legends. Oh, this guy is saying that it wasn't a Yeti. Oh, did I write that note down incorrectly?

I thought he said it was, my bad. Oh, I have no clue. I'm just looking him up and it says that he said that it wasn't a Yeti, that it was most likely an avalanche. Here's where I took the note from. The theory that an avalanche caused the hiker's death while initially popular has been questioned. Reviewing the sensationalist Yeti hypothesis, American skeptic author Benjamin Radford suggests

as more plausible. Then he has a quote that the group woke up in a panic and cut away their tents, either because of an avalanche had covered the entrance to their tent, or because they were scared that an avalanche was imminent. Okay, yeah, you're correct. I misunderstood what I was taking down as a note, my bad. He does believe that the avalanche is more plausible. Yeah, because it made him sound like a scientist guy and I was like,

I don't know that he's like, yeah, so yet he must be true. However, the avalanche theory has points that contradict that it actually happened. The location of the incidents for one did not have any obvious signs that an avalanche actually happened at all. An avalanche would have left patterns and debris distributed over a wide area. However, the bodies found within the 10 days of the event were covered with a very shallow layer of snow, and had there been an avalanche of sufficient strength to sweep away the second party,

these bodies would have been swept away as well. So the naked tree people were only found 10 days later, huh? Yeah. So they'd be able to tell if there was a huge avalanche there. Yeah, damn. Also, over 100 expeditions to the region were held since that particular incident, and none of them ever reported conditions that might create an avalanche. And there's a couple of other things as well that that people,

you know, that they say avalanche is unlikely to have been the reason. So what's there now? In the in the area? I think it's still just a hiking path. So it's just I think there's a monument to them. I'm sure there's a hike. Yeah, there's no. So you guys were just saying it's popular in the sense that people hike this trail a shitload now.

There's many. Yeah, that's like a it's it's a it was a known hiking trail. And no reports of lights since then or anything like that. No, huh. Correct. That the light the light maybe who knows. But the lights are only the lights were only reported between February and March of 1915. I see.

So if it was something it was something that was that was unique to that week or whatever. Yeah, I just want one thing to like be right. I want I want one thing to seem like it makes sense. Like to me, it makes sense that they got caught in an avalanche or almost got caught in avalanche. Basically, their camp got destroyed. And then they had to like figure out what to do. And then they went crazy because it was cold. Yeah, because I know there's something about you get naked when you when you get too cold.

Right. Yes. Yeah, yeah, because you start feeling hot. Yeah, it's like you just like go crazy and you start like taking your clothes off. And then maybe the other group found those crazy dead people took their clothes. Yeah, I mean it's it's so again, it's impossible to know. I don't know what could it eat in a woman's face that's like alive and just like pure snowfall. But damn.

Yeah. Well, the next the next theory is one of my favorites. It's basically mini mini snow tornadoes. What infrasound specifically, but another another theory that was popularized by by actually the guy that wrote the book that I read Donnie Eicher is that wind going around that mountain created what is known as a car man vortex street, which basically boiled down is a mini like swirling tornado like knife winds that like fuck up your face. No, no, actually, it's it's like mental shit messes with your mind in your hearing.

Yeah, it produces something known as infrasound also sometimes known as low frequency sound, which is lower than sound that is lower in frequency than about 20 hertz. Whoa. Cycles per second. But basically the idea in this particular theory is that infrasound is capable of inducing panic panic attacks in humans. And according to this guy's theory, the author of the book, the infrasound generated by the wind as it passed over the top of the Halakdoll Mountains was responsible for causing physical

discomfort and mental distress to the group of of mountaineers and such. He claims that because of their panic, the hikers were driven to leave the tent by whatever means necessary and fled down the slope. And by the time they were further down the hill, they would have been out of the infrasound's path and would have regained their composure, possibly the reason we see three of them between the camp and the tree and climbing their way back toward the camp because they kind of had gotten their their senses back about them. But the darkness would be so much that returning to shelter would have been fucking impossible

without, you know, their gear that they left all behind at their camp. And they and he also posits that that the injuries suffered by three of the victims would have resulted in their stumbling or falling over a ledge into the ravine where they were found. So the people who, you know, had the crushed chest and the cracked skulls and all that was because they fell into the ravine. All of them? Well, the three of them that were found in the ravine. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what he says is that it's possible. That's like Snow White, the Seven Dwarves like. This is like walking into the ravine. No, man, it's the it's the Russian dwarves that you got to give them like, workers, workers choir singing sad songs as they like tumble knowingly into the down to the lemmings. So that that's one.

A lot of people don't necessarily buy that because it leaves out a lot of random, like the lights and all that stuff. But I don't I don't find that particular theory that out of the question. Again, it doesn't really explain why the girl was not was found without her tongue in her eyes and missing a piece of her lip and a skull piece of her skull sticking out of her fucking face. But they all had skull fractures, right? Well, one had a fractured skull and she had a fragment of the skull. That's it.

I mean, it could just be like scavengers, like animals. Who knows? Yeah, we don't know. The one that I buy the most, however, is the next theory, which is military test theory. And that also would help explain the radiation on their clothing, as well as the weird busted chest and skull fractures without any physical signs of injury. But at the time, there were a lot of military tests happening in that area that were that were supposed to be super secret.

And one of the things that they were testing at that time is something known as parachute mines that was being tested by the Russian military. And these parachute mines would be dropped, parachute would go out, and the mines would detonate about two meters before they hit the ground. And it would produce similar damage to those experienced by the hikers with the heavy internal damage, very little external trauma, just the pressure of the explosion. Yeah, just like push them in, exactly. They would also explain the the orbs in the sky as well in the vicinity.

It also kind of explained why the orbs are only being seen between February and March, because they were probably only testing them for that short time span. And the glowing would probably be the mines, either the lights or the explosions themselves happening, especially if you can see them farther and further away. This theory in particular, when thinking about the radiological weapons that they were testing, is partly based on the discovery of radioactivity on their clothes, as well as the bodies being described by relatives as having orange skin and gray hair, which is also something that some of the bodies seem to have gray hair, orange skin.

I wish I knew about how much that has to do with being frozen. Yeah, yeah, I mean, who I don't I don't know. Well, also keep in mind that this what we're talking about is 1950s Russia. And if they did do this testing, it's quite possible that they could have moved the bodies and place them in a way that's like it leaves open so many questions that no one can ever find the answer because they tested an explosion on them. Yeah, but he knows for sure how much longer the other group lived than the original group by the tree, right? Yeah, we don't know the time of death, really, how long who died first,

that we're literally we're literally just going off of what the reports said. Yep. And again, reports can be fabricated. So like, who knows, man, who knows, talking about talking about that, Jesse, specifically, the idea of that being a military test is like you said, one of the theories that the bodies were moved to position them. Another interesting fact that kind of goes along with that is that the photos of the tent that were that that we have in the tent being erected show that the tent was apparently erected incorrectly. And that's something that these something that's something that these these this group of of, you know, potentially career mountaineers and stuff,

and the people have been doing it for years. Well, two of the guys, two of the guys, the main guy, Igor, he was he was a like massively trained skier. Yep. And the other whoever the oldest one in the group was his whole thing was like he was a like this was his field. Like this is what he wanted to do for a job. Yeah. So there's no way he would have that's why it negates the avalanche theory, because there's no way he would have built the tent in the path of an avalanche. And so the idea that they don't know how to build a tent is crazy. Yeah. The older guy, his name was Alexander Zolotoryov. And he was getting his master's certificate in ski and truck instruction and mountain hiking. But the fact that that the pictures of the tent show that the

tent was the tent was incorrectly put up with does doesn't make sense. Why would these guys who do this all the time do something mess up something so simple as an erecting their tent? It just doesn't make any sense. So they're there again, that leads into the idea that it's a military test, you know, that the military came in, found out they accidentally killed these people or whatever and staged it to make it look like they would just like fucking went crazy. The military be able to put up a tent too. But if they make it, if it was horribly done or they did it on purpose to make it look like they were amateur hikers or something. Right. Just to be like, oh yeah, these guys don't know how to fucking do a tent even. Interesting. We don't know. Man. Well, how do we get to aliens?

Oh, we're going to get there in a second. But before we leave, before we leave the military thing, the things that are pointing away from the military, or at least the one piece, a big piece of evidence that says maybe it wasn't military, is that the radio activity that were found in their clothing would have also been found in all of their gear and stuff. But it wasn't. What? The radio activity was only found on them and not not their campsite. Correct. None of their gear had any of the radio activity dispersal. It only was on the hikers and their stuff and instead of some of their gear did not have it. So the clothes that they were wearing at the time that they were found were irradiated. Oh. Yes, correct. The skin and hair

discoloration, but can possibly, as you said earlier, one of my notes here says it can be described from just natural mummification over the course of three months being buried under some. That's kind of like what reminds like I'm thinking of like the man who's like the missing link or whatever, who comes out of the ground that you see in like the like TV special and he's always like pretty beef jerky like. Yeah, true, true. One last tiny bit of evidence, however, that again further pushes into the idea that it was maybe the military is that the Soviet authorities actually suppressed the initial files of the and their findings of this group's disappearance. And then people point, a lot of people point to that as government cover up, but the concealment

of the information regarding domestic incidents was standard procedure back then in the USSR, and therefore far from peculiar. And by the late 1980s, all the Dyatlov files had been released in some manner or another, but initially they were being suppressed right away. But again, it's that it's that idea of like they were being suppressed. That's that looks like a cover-up, but also it's 1959 USSR and they were suppressing everything. So it's not that out of the idea that it was that the military would would hide the files for a little while. And again, we got all those files in time. Me personally, I lean more towards military tests than anything else because it seems to fit, but there's still some there's it's crazy that even the most believable

theory still has holes in it. And it's just like, well, if it was this, why doesn't all their gear have radio radiation on them and all this other nonsense? I am really disturbed by this. It really seems like something weird happened. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Now you get why I'm on this crazy train because this is fascinating. It is because there's so much with this story that doesn't make sense. Yeah. And every time you introduce a new theory of what could have happened, and it doesn't fit everything. This reminds me so much of that video series that you were showing me the other day, Mathis, I think about the like ships captain or like the guy who was like in the boat and he like just lived. Did you? Did you show me that? No, you actually showed me. I did.

Yeah. Yeah. We're always exchanging weird stuff. But like, if you have, I don't remember what the hell those were called. They're like on Vimeo. It's like some weird. It almost looks like it's fake. It almost looks like it's like a like an art project, but they're so, they're so interesting. I'm trying to find, I have zero likes and no viewing history on my phone app. All right. Well, I'll figure it out. But it was like this guy who was like at sea in a boat and he like survived for like several weeks on like four days rations. And then he just like looked like he was getting sick. And then he like jumped off the boat. This just seems like there's one element of this that we're never going to learn about that explains it like some outside force, like whether it be an avalanche

or a monster or the government or whatever it is that is just like going to keep us from knowing exactly what happened. And so frustrating. Well, do you want to get really messed up? Can I mess you up? Do it. Mess him up. Mess him up. I can take it. All right. So one of the climbers, Zedna, Zenayda, Zenayda. Zenayda. Alexvena Kolmogorova. Can you see why I didn't really, I left the names for the most part out of my notes. Oh, I found it. It's the forbidden files. Zenayda. It's the forbidden files, guys. I found it. Okay. Yeah. Look for that on Vimeo. Um, so she kept a journal as many of them did, but her journal is like crazy pants. You ready for this? Yeah. 27th January, 1959. We've commenced our march towards Autor, Autor 10.

Whether his good spirits are high, I can smell success in the air. 28th January, 1959. This is just like the highlights of things. This is the next day, right? Yes. Udayne says he is unwell. Dyatlov, expedition leader, has convinced him to carry on, but he is slowing the group. He's very pale and seems jittery. Haven't spoken to him since the morning, but, uh, Doroshenko, Doroshenko tells me he's worried about Uden. Uden is getting worse. He has fainted twice and keeps regurgitating. The team is worried about him drinking too much of our water. Dyatlov is quiet. He seems frustrated. Is this Ury? Uden has turned back. He's shaking us up. He fainted again, and when he came to, he was talking gibberish. He started saying, you're doomed, and Igor Dyatlov is going to kill you all.

Dyatlov packs some more food for Uden and told him to go back before he left. He shouted, you're all goners. Uden is his last name. It's Ury, it's specifically, but just for the people, for you, where is it? It's the Ury I was talking about earlier. On the 1st of February, 1959. We've reached the mountain pass. Dyatlov reckons we'll reach Or-Torten in less than 10 days. That's where they were going. That was their end goal. The weather is worsening. The snowstorm started in the distance this morning, and the wind is blown up on top of us. Visibility is reduced. Dyatlov is insisting we carry on to the pass. We are one and a half miles into the pass, and visibility is at a minimum. We have gone off course. We are far too west. We have decided to

make camp on the mountain slope and wait for the blizzard to pass. It is night time, and I'm fearful of some of my group. Earlier, Semyon was trying to light a fire inside the tent, and Rustam kept looking behind him, shouting, stop following us. What? February 2nd, 1959. There were lights in the sky last night. They were so bright that we could see them through the clouds and snow. Koletov thought he was hallucinating and started drinking some water, fearing that he might be dehydrated. But we all saw the lights. It was very odd. It almost seemed like street lanterns just floating in the sky. What the fuck? Dyatlov reckons that we'll have to stay another night. When he told us, Rustam started to cry.

He's been off and on all morning, and we are very worried. His sickness is not unlike Judens. We think he's developing a fever, which wouldn't be good for our supplies. We'll have to stash the supplies a few miles behind for the return journey, but to turn back and retrieve them would jeopardize the entire endeavor. Huh. It is almost pitch black because no sun can make it through the snowstorm. Their strange noises coming from the Blizzard sounds like humming. When it started, it sounded like someone was in pain, but if you listen closely, it sounds more like a distant train. Everyone in the group can hear it. Nikolai suggested that it's the Blizzard as it sweeps through the mountain pass. It whistles. Rustam is unconvinced. He says it's

people following us. Luckily, he has fallen asleep. So that could go to the theory of the like the vortex, right? Yep. The infrasound that would make them go crazy. Yep. The Karman vortex street is what it's called specifically. What the fuck? The expedition has taken a turn for the worst. At nightfall, two of the group members disappeared. We're not sure where they've gone to. I was in my tent and I saw a very bright light. At first, I thought Semyon had managed to light his fire inside the tent, but the moment I looked outside, the light had vanished. It was then that we realized that Yuri Krivichenko and Yuri Dorschenko had left the camp. That love is getting the group of us together to go out and look for the two Yuris.

Rustam is in fits of laughter and has been ever since the two explorers vanished. And that's pretty much where it is. Fits of laughter? Again, it fits into the idea. It does fit into the idea of infrasound insanity. It sounds like they just broke. Yeah. Oh my god, that's horrific. It's crazy. So the last theory that has any shred of evidence before we get into the truly insane is what's known as paradoxical undressing, which is the idea that the hikers, they died of hypothermia, but hypothermia can induce behavior known as paradoxical undressing, which is the hypothermic subject starts believing that they are burning warm, so they start removing their clothing. And it is, again, six of the nine hikers, according to the doctors, did die of hypothermia,

but that does not explain the other three that seem to have the clothing of those who had died without their clothing and seemed to at the very least be of sane enough mind to not rip their clothes off from hypothermia. So again, who always sounds like it's almost an explanation before it's totally not an explanation. Yeah, damn it. Pretty much. So now we get into the weird shit, the shit that is literally pulled, I don't want to say from thin air, but obviously the insane stuff that comes from people or folklore explanations. Yeah, pretty much exactly. And the first one is the Yeti description, that there is a Yeti that was tracking them through the snow, and that the noises that they were hearing through the blizzard that Jesse was talking

about in the journal was actually coming from these creatures that had been tracking them and following them, and that they were attacked or either got close enough that they realized that there was something out there and they cut their way out of the tent to even escape what these things were. It also talks the idea that the internal injuries that they sustained come from the Yeti, because the Yeti had like superhuman strength that would have, you know, at the punch or a throw. Just crushed their chest or whatever. Yeah, would have crushed their chests and cracked their skulls from being thrown against a tree or cracked or kicked or punched from these creatures. And there is a very specific type of Yeti that is like common folklore out there

that also has backwards feet apparently, and the backwards feet would make it nearly impossible to track in any way. So any tracks that it would have left if they were found by the rescuers would have made no sense to them, and it would have been nearly impossible for them to track. Like if it's walking forward, it looks like a person walking backwards. It looks like it's walking backwards. Yes, exactly. It's ridiculous. What an insane creature to exist. Yeah, more or less. There's the other theory that of course that they were attacked by the native people, that they never heeded their warnings, that they walked upon sacred ground, and that they were killed for not heeding their warnings. Can we take a time out for a minute? Hold on. Hold on.

Let's go back to the backwards walking. Why in nature would that exist? Just because we can't catch on. Well, that's what I'm saying. Evolutionarily, everything tracks by scent, except for humans, because we track by like looking at the ground and we use like different senses to track. Only this would only affect humans. So in this weird crazy world, this beast exists only to mess with us. It literally designed his feet just to screw with humans. Almost as if he was created by an extraterrestrial to hunt men. Dude, you are treading dangerous ground because there is theories that their yetis are created by aliens as a hybrid experiment gone wrong,

and they self-propagated after they were put on the earth. Why they gotta be gone wrong? Why they gotta be gone wrong? Because of course they're gone wrong. Because if they've gone right, they wouldn't be on the earth. They wouldn't look like yetis. Yeah, they'd look like us. And they wouldn't look there. They wouldn't look like yetis. What if we're the experiment gone wrong? Your hashtag gone right. Well, there's also the theory that earth is just an alien zoo. Oh, space zoo. Yeah, of course. That's another good one, of course. All right, we're not going that deep down the alien hole. I am still reading a book right now on space zoo. Her future alien episode. Man. But yeah, the Yeti theory. Again, it's one of those like,

it's a Yeti, but the evidence to suggest that a Yeti really doesn't exist. But maybe? Another theory is the alien theory, in that the orange orbs in the sky were not military tests or parachute mines being tested by the Soviet military at that point in time, but they were alien UFOs. And what was happening was that the hikers were, the humming and all that stuff was coming from the UFOs. And that's interesting because in other UFO abduction scenarios around the world, alien UFOs typically are preceded by and have a humming associated with them. Most alien UFOs when they are seen aren't very loud, but they do have a baseline hum that goes along with it. So the humming, as well as the orange orbs in the sky, which is also something

that a lot of people see when they are getting abducted by aliens, are that of UFOs and aliens coming to abduct them. However, why the aliens didn't abduct them and keep them safe? Who knows? One of the theories is that they were causing basically, the hikers were causing too much trouble. They were not worth abducting because they had panicked and ran into the wild and that any attempt to stop them from doing that would have given away that they were being abducted. Or the abduction process themselves that went completely crazy. Or the aliens were experimenting on these hikers and trying out a new psychological weapon on them, causing them to go crazy. And because they were in the middle of nowhere, the aliens felt emboldened

to test these things out without really any blowback from any government that they may or may not be working with or trying to hide from, or that they were actually abducted, experimented on on the UFO, put back down onto the onto earth afterward, and then they went crazy because of a mix of them being abducted and the hypothermia that they were experiencing in the cold weather and potentially even infrasound. What type of aliens were they? The greys, the tall whites, the reptilians? Nobody fucking knows because there's no evidence that it was actually aliens, but the orange orbs in the sky and the humming sure sounds like aliens. Yep, of course, right? That's that's as alien as maybe it's like an alien surgeon simulator where like they tried to grab them and they were like,

oh, oh fuck, we fucked them up. Just leave them just throw them in the ravine. Fuck it. Get out of here. Okay, we removed her eyes. Yeah, they're all naked. Just put her in that rock, I guess, take her clothes away. Just smush him and walk away. Let's go. I will say as somebody who has read tons of UFO stories, this doesn't fit really all that well into all of them. Usually the aliens are very on top of their shit and the person comes back very, very alive. Yep, usually. Usually that's what happens. And through hypnotherapy, usually the people abducted just had a dick sucking machine placed on their wanger to get some semen out of them and eggs are scooped out of the females and stuff. Honestly, like from a lot of it. Yo,

aliens, all I'm saying is I'll try out your machine. You can take all of my I just want a little consistency is what I'm saying. You know, if you guys are going to abduct people all over across history, at least like leave some telltale signs to let us know it's you guys. The problem right now is so I'm doing all this research trying to find out what's been going on since, right? Yeah. And the problem is because the game that came out and the fact that there, yeah, and the fact that there are movies that have come out about this as well. And there's a book actually that came out in 2012 as well that was written, I think, by that 12 year old kid that was at the funeral that was high fiction, like highly, highly fiction, but a bunch of documentaries used it

as, as they're a big research point. Well, and that's, and that's one of the things when you look online, a lot of the promotional materials for the game and the movies and whatever, all are passed off as, uh, updated information or so like, for example, I just found one that, that is, it's this article that talks about the terrifying mystery of Russia's devil's past just got scarier. I'm like, huh, I wonder what this is about. It's from 2016. I started reading it and basically it's like 57 years later, a new thing is unfolding and they found a body there and it's up in the mountains and the people that went, that found the body have now gone missing, all this stuff, but it's having it to the end of it. It's literally a ad for a movie about the

situation. Yeah, it's so muddy, uh, as to what, you know, with all the other things out there that it's impossible to track down. Like, I definitely want to play the game now for sure. Cole, uh, like if you want to branch off, Colot is an okay game. Um, it's, it's frustrating. I'll, I'll put it that way. I enjoyed it. I beat it. Uh, but there were moments through that game where I'm like, this isn't actually a very infuriating. Isn't Sean being in it because I'm so, yep. Love that. He does a voiceover of the main character. Did you play, you beat, did you beat that game, Jesse? No, we've never played it. Oh, you never played Colot. Okay. No, I will say what, what's great about that game is it's really fucking easy to get lost. And, uh, I got lost a lot of times.

Oh, okay. So part of this story is true. A person was just found dead in the mountain pass. So is this movie like using a real new story of a dead person to advertise a movie? I don't know. Oh my God. Cause everywhere I go, it's sending me to Russian websites and all the Russian websites are translating into it being like, yeah, no, I'm afraid to go on these Russian. Don't hack me, Russia. I don't cut nothing you don't want. You don't got any scoop on any political enemies. No, man. They, the other day I got a Russian notification on my phone saying that someone was trying to log into my PSN account, but it was all in Russia and I was like, what? Maybe they were just trying to

install the new Russia beta. Yeah, maybe that's, that's why I kind of kept most of my research from this one book for the most part. And it's very, very, very well sourced as well. So it's worth reading if you're very interested in a bit more. However, like I said earlier, the theory put forth by Donnie, the basically the mini wind tornadoes is one that is the one of the least believed ones. But in, I mean, the infrasound aspect, yeah, if it's a real thing that like could really do this, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. As far as the alien stuff, again, I kind of just rambled there for a bit, but I kind of like, it's kind of like what it is, all these, but that's exactly as I say, like all the things that I said are actually things people have

posited as actual theories, just kind of in one giant run on sentence that I just was like throwing at you. But there again, the evidence of it being aliens is, is surprisingly, a little less strong than other abduction story scenarios that we have where we have video evidence and stuff like that. The monster animal is much more like titillating in this case. I agree. I think like the Yeti or, you know, what potential like Yeti like creature is more interesting. For me personally though, like, so those are all the five, the five or six major theories. There are other theories that it was wild animals that just attacked them and spooked them and the howling winds of the blizzard. You know, sometimes you hear this sound and you can

sometimes hear a sound under that sound. So like the howling winds also sounds like there's a humming underneath it too. This could have been the weather. So that mixed with wild animals nearby while they panicked and ran away, the animals kind of picked them off or, or eight, eight, you know, the eyes and the tongue and stuff of all of them. But it still doesn't explain the idea of like her being reported face down on a river, but the photo showing her up against a boulder. Unless that photo is taken from a crazy angle. I mean, yeah, true. But yeah, that's, that's, that's it. That's like the six major theories of what happened at the Diet Law of past impotence. Unfortunately, it's a, this is an episode that kind of less leaves you

lingering with curiosity, but there's so fucking much out there to read that I encourage you guys to go check it out yourself. Do your own research, read some books. The book's called A Dead Mountain Again, right? Dead Mountain. The actual book is Dead Mountain, the Untold True Story of the Diet Law of Past Incidents by Donnie. Damn, I gotta check that out. It's a great book. It's not that hard to read either. It's only a couple hundred pages, maybe three. Yeah, I'll smash that. Yeah, you can get through that in a couple of days if, if you're a fast reader. But there's just so much to this, this, this whole case that even for someone like Jesse, who is a massive skeptic, you left curious because you don't know. Yeah, it's fascinating. It's, I'm dying to find that one case that's just

going to be like Jesse says aliens are real. Good luck. It would literally take me seeing the aliens and even then I'd be like, maybe I'm, maybe I'm high. Maybe right now, I'll allow your own self before you believe the aliens are real. Yeah, I'd have to have an actual conversation with aliens in order to believe they're real. And if they started talking in English, I'd be like, fake. What about a four hour conversation with a reptilian? If a reptilian talk, but only, only through text, only text to speech. I mean, it depends on how much they hit on me, but I probably leave it. I mean, basically the way to convince Jesse is the harder you hit on him, the more believable. We just need

to build a, yeah, the more, the more you hit on me, if you're aliens out there, the more you try to seduce me, the more likely I am to believe that you're real. We just need to put a smarter child in a, in a mannequin with text to speech and then we'll make Jesse a believer. Yep, pretty much. Well, that's the DLoftast incident. I wish I could end it with like a nice clean bow, but that's the point of the story. There is no clean bow here. That's what makes it so good. That's why it's great. Yeah, it's fantastic. And it was, it was really fun to dive into something that has such an air of mystery about it, you know? So that's, that's it. Okay, I ask you to, because I already said I fully, I don't want to say I fully,

but I lean towards military explanation. If the two of you had to choose a reason that has happened, what do you two personally lean towards? I think it was mental. You think it was like the infrasound? I think, yeah, I think if there was any outside factor, it was probably something like infrasound. And if there wasn't an outside factor, it was definitely just like extreme conditions causing some people to kind of have a psychotic break. That makes a lot of sense to me. And it makes sense. Like from her diary, I don't know about the lights. I don't know. I don't know what to say about the lights. That might just be also too. Like there's nothing saying that it wasn't a mix of two different theories happening.

Like they could have been doing military tests and the weather ended up creating these infrasound vortexes that fuck the minds. Yeah. In my mind, I've always thought it was a mix of the theories and that it was the entire time they're being bombarded by these, the, the sound waves that are just messing with them, right? They're going through this past the wind and this vortex of just noise is screwing them up to the point where one guy had to leave early. Right? He was just like, So my knee hurts. I'm out. The entire time this dude is he pieces out, but the rest of them keep going, even though they're suffering from this mental stress. I like to believe because glowing, the glowing orbs and

stuff. Isn't there, I'd have to get more in depth another time on this, but isn't there the theory that it has to do with the earth itself? Like before earth quakes, people notice or the middle of the earth and made them go insane. Well, it's not. No, but like, but like people notice that there's before earthquakes, for example, there's always something like people start seeing orbs or it might just be us. It might just be people, right? Our own bodies see things, right? Yeah. It might not actually be there. Just could be. I'll saw it and well, that's what I'm saying. So there's a combination that maybe the reason why they were panicked is because they had, there's, there's the possibility

that they had prepped to sleep where they slept and they believe there was no avalanche, but maybe the bombings, right? The military experiments, maybe the like an earthquake, maybe something happened, but they started seeing shit as well and they feared an avalanche might come where they did not expect one, which is why they panicked. Yeah. Yeah. And so because they were so panicked, because they were always stressed, like there's the possibility that all of these things could have played a factor. And then again, he ate that girl's face. Who knows? Who knows? Well, look what we have here. If you want to look at the last picture taken, the last exposure, you can look up the last exposure on Georgies or Georgies. It's not really Gregory, but you know, Russian

Gregory's camera. Just look it up. All it is is like a weird light in the middle of the darkness. It's all it is, but it's worth checking out. Yeah. There's some pretty, there's some pretty crazy pics on here too. Like there's this one where there's like a guy far away that some people think is like the beast stalking them or something. It's all kinds of shit. Yeah, there's some there's some weird stuff out there, man. But you let us know what you think is the actual reason in the comments, because I want to know. But that's it. That's Episode 11 of Chilluminati Boys. Yeah. It's done. That was probably one of my favorite just kind of like, this is one of my favorite episodes, but it's one of my favorite mystery episodes. I think we've

done two from starting this thing. That was a lot of fun. I've been really excited to talk about this for a while. So I'm still chasing that. I'm still chasing that crazy ass story that nobody's heard before. I'm still trying to like pull one out of the weeds that that nobody thinks about that much. We'll find one. I mean, we're going to be doing this for the foreseeable future. I'm on that hunt. Yeah. I mean, so am I. I think my my untold stories are going to come from the alien side of things specifically. But I'm excited to eventually tackle those as well. As always, you know, we'll go through our usual shilling. Thank you guys a ton for the support on this podcast. You guys, you guys seem endlessly excited for it, and we're really excited to keep producing

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