Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 112 - The Glamis Castle Monster

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

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Anyway, enough of me babbling onto the show. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Chilluminati Podcast, episode 112. As always, I am one of your hosts, Mike Martin, joined by two other hosts, Jesse Cox and Alex Fasciani. Hello. Hi.

A new intro every time. I never know what's going to come out of your mouth. I don't either, to be honest. Like up until it streams forth from my lips. I don't know what's going to happen. From the lips. That's fine. Past my lips emanating from the hole beyond my lips.

Before we start today, there's something that popped up in the Reddit that I really want to read quickly for you too. It's in regards to the Boston Baked Bean Boy. Somebody asked on the Reddit, what episode does Boston Baked Bean Boy originate from? Here's an answer that is basically an amazing backstory for the Boston Baked Bean Boy.

I'm going to read this. Thank you, Jarn Templar for this. It's excellent. He's originates Boston circa 1930s. Here's some of the Boston Baked Bean Boy info that's out there that we can have scraped together. Although he went on a long hiatus around 1937 due to a lack of legal nugs,

preference to which is well-documented, now some say he was forced underground around that time. Others claim he could be found wandering Charleston's back streets for food. Seems likely he spent some time in Lowell, Massachusetts and ended up in the company of Jack Kiraak during the 40s. Yeah, Kiraak there we go, during the 40s and 50s. Whether it was through the travel bureau

or just Thumb to Ride West with him to somewhere a little more liberal in its outlook. He seemed attracted to the beat lifestyle. The 1960s were also slightly blurred as the Boston Bean Boy passed through the hippie movement up and down the West Coast. He always maintained his strong Bostonian accent coupled with asking for a couple of nugs.

Groups often moved him on through fears of him being a narc. How could you think he's a narc? I don't know. He looks like a California raisin. There was also some rumbling that he hitched a ride with some GIs and ended up in NAMM, but that information was never confirmed or denied. And then it says citation needed.

After the 60s, the trail went cold, although we can assume that he floated around the states as they decriminalized and trialed medicinal use. Around 1996, California legalized the use of medical marijuana. There was a few sightings of the Bean Boy. It's likely that he had stuck around the PNW or West Coast because of decriminalization status in those states.

And between 96 and 08, we can trace a slow trend in Bean Boy encounters back to Boston, presumably because of the availability of his preferred legal nugs. And after a long time away from his home, he just wanted to be back in Boston. As of 2021, he's pretty well traveled, but seems to have settled back in his home area.

He is like- There's a- Bigfoot, seen everywhere. Right, he's everywhere. I love that he's such a straight shooter too. Never, he always goes for the legal stuff. That's what he always takes. What we need here now, we need to add to that,

by the way, hi, new listeners who have no idea what we're talking about. Which, by the way, his true origin in parentheses, it's 31 minutes into episode- Part two of John Titter, so episode 56. So- That's where he comes from. I just want to point out, the best part about all this

is the Bean Boy for being a Bean and a Boy has a lot of miles traveled, and I'd like to know how he gets around. Does he have a tiny car? Does he like sneak onto buses? Does he have someone who drives him something? Like, how does he get around? Does he let the wind blow him?

How does it work for a little Bean Man? The Bean Mobile? The Bean Mobile. Yeah. It's like a little tiny hot wheel. Yeah, it's like. He's a Bean, but he sits in a slightly larger, like, Bean that's a car.

With wheels, with little Bean wheels on it. Yeah. And then he also has, in the 70s, he also got like a little, like, joint car that was like, like, he sits in the top of it, like a soapbox racer from, like, The Boy Scouts. He's like a wacky racer. He's one of those guys.

I'm the wheels, the wheels of the joint car, like, little, like, the little wheels from a lighter, you know, that you take off. Sure, sure. When you feel like a lighter. Yeah, it's a little lighter. It's a big clutch while he drives. Yeah, and they shoot sparks out of his wheels,

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This is going to be a fun one, because Jesse, the show is in your hands again. Oh, well, well, well. Once again, I'm back. That's so Voldemorty when he took over. Well, well, well. Today, gentlemen, we're traveling back in time once more. Oh, more facts, or is this going to be some haunting,

you know, maybe? Oh, Mathis, little do you know. Gentlemen, come, audience, join us, and a trip back to the 1800s. At the time, in the Scottish lowlands, a mystery was to be found. One that would sweep over all of Europe's high society. One that would involve hidden rooms,

secret passages, shadowy figure scandals, and a monster. What? All the things people with absolutely nothing to do would get caught up in. Is this the sequel to the Green Stone? Is this what happened after the Green Stone had been discovered?

This story was inspired by the fact that I could not get over the Green Stone and needed to find a real story that actually was real. Oh, my God. What do you mean? It's called the Green Stone, a real story. It's called the Green Stone. For two generations throughout the 1800s,

high society of Europe was engaged in this mystery until just after the turn of the century when all potential answers became lost to time. Whatever the case, whatever the reason, this is believed by many to be more than just courtly gossip. And I have a quote for you. This is from Claude Beaus-Leon, the 13th ale of Strathmore,

which is basically the people that we're talking about, the Strathmores and the Leons, the Beaus-Leons. This sounds like nonsense to me, but I'm with you. This is for you, Alex. This is the code. Believe a word. If you could even guess the nature of the castle's secret, you would get on your knees and thank God it was not yours.

Yeah. That's a powerful statement. Especially at that time. You'll see that for yourself. This is the mystery of Glam's castle, spelled G-L-A-M-I-S. Dear carbon footprint, who's got America's largest electrified lineup? Toyota.

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The mystery, while not the talk of high society anymore, does still linger, mostly for other reasons. For example, Queen Elizabeth's grandfather was heir to the castle in Macbeth. Glamis is where the Scottish King Malcolm II was murdered. It's mentioned in the play. That's what I was looking up just now is like, I was like, I swear Glamis is mentioned in Macbeth.

Yes, it is straight up a famous location. Now the castle, it's a very real place. You can go there, just Google G-L-A-M-I-S. It has its literal own website that you can go visit. You can even go eat there in the kitchen. It has a historic tea on TripAdvisor. It has four stars. So, you know, it's pretty all right.

It is a real place. This isn't like, you know, the castle disappeared. This is, you can just literally go there. That's cool. The castle itself, of course, has gone through many changes since then, being completely reconstructed in the 15th century. And since that time, it has sat as the seat

of the Strathmore Earl's. And, you know, we're talking about the Bose-Leone Earl's during this time period. I hope it's Bose-Leone and not Bose-Lion, but who knows? However, strangely enough, another weird coincidence is during the 18th century, so the 1700s, it sat mostly empty. And the reasoning that was given at the time

was that the family wanted to live somewhere else, less isolated, and there were perhaps other reasons. No one truly knows the case, but people were not there during this time. However, the people who did visit, and the people who did stay, that weren't the family, you know, a great example is in 1790, famed author Sir Walter Scott spent a night

in one of the rooms where he wrote this, Mathis, if you would be so kind as to read this quote. I must own, as I heard door after door shut, after my conductor had retired, I began to consider myself as too far from the living and somewhat too near to the dead. Ooh, dude's being haunted. Dude, thinks like a novelist, dude.

How weird, dude, he's so well-read. It's hardcore, yeah. What more he added to his account that Glam's castle was said to have a secret room that only the Earl, his heir, and the estate manager knew about. Now, most castles during this time period, in fact, most castles in general have secret rooms,

secret back doors, secret ways for royalty to sneak out and do all sorts of weird things, but mostly it was for protecting the family, like a safe room, because, you know, if you're gonna get raided, it's better to just not be found and hidden away, but also these rooms over time, they were used for all sorts of secrets, right?

You wouldn't keep a mistress or whatever there, and because only the king would know, for example, or the Earl or the Duke or whoever, you know, you could keep it secret, and many times these rooms locked away those secrets, and it's rumored that this particular castle had a hidden room with a very dark secret. Throughout the mid-1800s, a mysterious figure

would be seen on the battlements of the castle, in a part of the castle known as the Mad Earl's Walk. There would be many times throughout this part of the castle's history, where weird figures we spotted moving through the halls or in dark corners of the eye. In a story from 1865, a man working on the castle unexpectedly came across a door

that opened into a long passage, venturing in, he claimed to have seen something at the far end of the corridor, and when he reported it, was strongly encouraged to immigrate to Australia. His entire trip we paid for by the Earl. Wait, why, what? Who the fuck was up there?

What the hell was that? Interesting, interesting you should ask, yeah. That is the mystery. What more, he added to his account that Glamp's Castle is said to have a secret room, oh sorry, I lost my place. It happens, it happens to the best of us. So yeah, but this mysterious figure was on the wall,

so anyway, other accounts depict a strange, human-sized, toad-like creature, a gooey creature with a wide body. This is kind of, kind of a trigger? Like what are we talking about? But if this is real, and Glamp's does have a secret chamber that houses something to this day, it remains hidden. This is officially one of those mysteries

that we have countless evidence for people being aware of something, but no one knows what it was. The only people aware, like I said, are the Earl, the Earl's heir, and then the estate manager. The estate papers do have record of a secret chamber next to the charter room at the base of one of the towers. I guess the charter room, the basic way to describe it,

be like it's kind of a place to meet and go over things that's not near the living areas, I would imagine to sign charters and whatnot. But it is assumed that there must be other unnoted hidden rooms. It's said that Lord Ernest Hamilton wrote of discovering a trap door in the floor of his dressing room.

Another story from the New York sun in 1904 wrote the following. Alex, if you would please tackle this bad boy. You got it, baby. On one occasion, a young doctor who was staying in the castle professionally found on returning to his bedroom that the carpet had been taken up and relayed.

He noted that the mark or pattern of the carpet was different at one end of the room. By moving the furniture and raising the carpet, he laid bare a trap door, which he forced open and found himself in a passage. This passage ended in a cement wall. The cement was still soft, leaving the impress of a finger.

He returned to his room and next morning received a check for his services with the intimation that the carriage was ready to take him to the station for the first train. So he discovered the same story again. Yeah, he discovered a thing and immediately was told to leave.

This is like, what's that movie with DiCaprio? The Man in the Iron Mask kind of vibes? Like there's just another part of the castle. It does have that kind of like, it is a secret kind of vibe, yeah. Right. Sir, there were also, you know, not a lot of mysterious accounts.

There were some that were literally just like, this is what happened. We all know what happened. It isn't like, ooh, and then he put his finger in and it was still more. There are some accounts that are just factual and strange. So Sir Horace Rumbled wrote of an event that took place in 1850,

where the 12th Count's wife asked her guest to help her hunt for the secret room. Right, because this was a thing, like I said, everyone in high society knew there was a secret room and no one could get anyone to say a word about it. So the wife of the Count was like, okay, my husband's away, let's hunt for the room. So the guests reasoned that the room must have a window.

So one of the guests had the idea that, what if we go around the castle, we open up all the windows and drape a white sheet or towel outside of the window, so those people outside- This is like a nice out scenario. Yeah, like those people outside could see all the white cloths,

so we know which ones were open and which ones were found. Soon when the Lord returned, countless white signals were fluttering in the summer breeze from the castle. The Earl Rumbled, who was telling the story, says, the Earl quickly scolded his wife and then divorced her. Oh, Jesus. The results of the experiment, however, are a little dubious.

No one really knows. There are two stories. One claims that only one tightly locked window remained and could not be found. The other insists that there were four windows that could not be opened. Rumble also added to his account that the 12th Earl was a heedless man of the world

with few prejudices and possibly still fewer beliefs. He was kind of like a little party animal guy, but his heir and his heir's son were most more sober characters. This change in character, he believes, between the two generations, happened roughly around the son's 21st birthday, which is when it is assumed

he was initiated into whatever the secret was. And then Rumbled said this, or I guess wrote this, this is for you, Mathis. It is related that on his deathbed in 1865, the 12th Earl told his brother that he must now endeavor to pray down the sinister influence he himself had in vain tried to laugh down

in which for so many years had darkened the family history. Right. How long has it been by now? So this is the story starts with the 11th Earl and the 12th Earl, he picks up and now the 13th Earl is invested in this, right? So what do we think, like 50 years?

I mean, yeah, we're in the middle, the whole thing takes place during the 1800s. This place just needs the Warrens. The Warrens will get there, they'll take care of it. In my mind, it's gotta be like some guy or something that like, you know, like the, the like, in the time, something that they'd be like, he's a freak or something like that,

or he's like a, like a gendry type person. Is where my head is at, but it's so, it's such a long time. Like how, like, I don't know, you know what I mean? Like people weren't living till age 80 at this time, right? So one of the first orders given by the son, the 13th Earl, was to restore the family chapel. According to the Penny Illustrated Paper in 18...

The 13th Earl? The 13th Earl. So the 12th Earl on his deathbed, like the 13th or the 12th Earl told his son the secret and his son, unlike the 12th Earl, who was like, the 12th Earl was boisterous and a party goer, the son was messed up by this secret. And so apparently, according to the Penny Illustrated Paper,

in 1866, when a guest who was staying at the castle, chose to get up early in the morning to leave, he walked by the tiny chapel and saw, knelt in prayer, his host, the 13th Earl, dressed in his evening clothes from the night before, sitting there praying. Like he'd been up all night? Praying, yeah, yeah, like he'd been up all night praying.

The difference between the generations is called into question, though, based on various accounts, because many people remember the both of the own family being boisterous, musical, and forever engaged in practical jokes and theatrics. While others recall the family being very sad, like the Earl's having this sad, ever-present look about themselves.

And this quote is actually one that I would love for Alex to read, because this is another good one. The bitch up of Brechen, who was a great friend of the house, felt this strange sadness so deeply, that he went to Lord Strathmore and said how, having heard of this strange secret which oppressed him, he could not help in treating him to make use of his services as an ecclesiastic.

Lord Strathmore was deeply moved. He said he thanked him, but that in his most unfortunate position, no one could ever help him. So he turned down clergy. What the fuck could it be? Yeah, that's bizarre. Why is it so upsetting is my question.

Yeah. What the fuck is it? And this is one of those things that, again, when we start to get into what people think it could have been, it's something to think about, right? Because this is one of those things where it's such a secret that even the sun's suns are like, there's nothing you can do for me. There's this, we have to keep this a secret.

What if it's a room full of just, what if it's just a big, huge room full of shit? I mean, who knows? That's like the vibe that I'm getting is that like, they talk about it and they're just like, dude, you didn't even want to, you didn't want to go in there, man. It's a fucked up.

Don't even. It's just a room full of crap. It's just a room full of shit. We have nowhere to put it. It's just getting bigger. I don't know. I don't know. And I keep going.

I keep using it. It brings me a strange comfort, the smell as it just gets stronger. That's why we keep the window. It's like I'm shitting with my grandpa. Yeah. Another visitor to Glam's in 1870, Virginia Gabrielle, who was a famous singer at the time,

recalled another totally strange incident involving the estate manager. This is my favorite story because it's insane. Andrew. I'm ready. A dour hard-headed man and the current estate manager during the time refused to stay on the property.

Again, remember, he is one of the three people at any given time who know the secret. He refused to stay on the property, instead moving into a home over a mile away. During Virginia's stay, she recalled a sudden snowstorm one evening which blanketed the castle under several feet of snow. The Earl begged Ralston to stay,

but he refused instead getting all of the servants of the castle to dig him a one-mile path back to his home. What? Yes. Virginia also wrote down this underground, like through the snow, like dug him a one-mile path from the castle to his home, through the-

Like it was worth it. Like it was worth it to get the fuck out of there. Yes. That's insanity. Yes. The shit pile smelled so bad that he just had to get out. It's the same thing, so bad. Yeah.

The family heirloom pile of shit. Virginia also wrote during her conversation the following. Lady Strathmore once confessed to Mr. Ralston her great anxiety to unravel the mystery. Again, this was something everyone was talking about. So you can imagine being the wife of the dude. You're this close to knowing and he's not even willing to share it with you.

So she had this anxiety about it and he looked at her earnestly and said in a very gravelly voice, Lady Strathmore, it is fortunate you do not know. You can never know it for if you did, you would not be a happy woman. Such a speech from such a man seemed certainly uncanny. What in the hell is going on here?

Yeah, what is happening? It was of course- We're gonna have an alien. Not the room or what was inside it that truly engulfed European court life. It was the fact that for two generations, the Earl, the Earl's sons and the estate managers that lived and died with this secret

at any given time, only three people knew what was going on. And that engulfed, it's one of those things where just like all, when you watch a period piece about this time, everyone's like, oh, the scandal, right? They love that. During this time period, let's think about it. Most courtly life was sitting around like, I'm drinking at 2 p.m.

You had nothing to do. And so this was huge. This was mind blowing to people. They could not figure out what was going on. And it was, there's a secret room. Is there something in that room? What could it be? No one was giving them answers.

And that of course drove them crazy. And made people talk about it more and more and more. And I can understand it. Like I get why it's like, if someone knows a secret and they're just unwilling to share and they will go to their grave with that secret, like that's, you have to believe in something to be like that invested in keeping the secret.

That is nuts. This point was made in 1880 in the Charles Dickens Weekly all year round. And here is a quote from that. Alex, if you would. There is generally much talk of the old story being exploded at last. Gay galants in lace ruffles,

bows, bucks, bloods and dandies have until their 21st birthdays made light of the family mystery. And some have gone so far as to make after-dinner promises to tell the whole stupid story in the smoking room at night. This promise has been made more than once. It has been pledged, it has been pledged in Burgundy

and Tokay, in Lafitte and Champagne, in Steaming Toddy and in Cooling Lemon Squash. But it has never been kept. So everyone claims to know the secret, they clearly do not and they say they have an answer and it gets people intrigued and then they just, you know, don't say anything. Yeah, they lead on until people get bored.

That is truly very weird. Rumbled, the state manager said something about this very similarly. He said, the 14th Earl mentioned that when his father, the 13th Earl, was told the secret, a terrible change came over him. He was affected so much that he, the 14th Earl, declined to learn it.

What could this be, dude? What could this be? It's weird that they have a choice that they can learn it. Why does it like gut them every time? What is that? And that's what, I mean, the 14th Earl said, like, I don't want to know. And the thing is, is no one knows if that's true, right?

No one knows, he says, I don't want to know what it is, but no, you can't prove that he didn't know. And it's considered during this time that the knowledge of whatever this was passed out of the family. When asked about it in the 1960s, the 16th Earl said he knew nothing, perhaps the secret died with his father

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Again, this is one of those things where they simply, because they kept it to three people at any given time. And anyone who discovered anything even remotely close, they didn't just like be quiet. They literally removed a man to Australia. Off to Australia they go and you know too much. Like, just think about the time.

In the 1800s, going to Australia is like, they don't exist anymore. They're, that's still a penal colony back then. No, in the 1800s, no. But like, you know, it's literally on the other side of the planet. Even from LA, that's a 14 hour trip via plane. So they like send him away.

This is a secret. Yeah, this is a secret that they were going to keep. To this day, no one knows for certain what was hidden inside that castle. If anything was hidden at all. Perhaps there's no need to, you know, when people talk about the secret and what was in there. Many people think like, maybe the reason why

it ended in the 1900s was that perhaps there was no need to continue the secret. Because what if the thing in that, in that, you know, in the secret room was like Alex was saying, what if it was an inhabitant? What if it was a person who simply died of old age? And when they died, the secret no longer needed to be kept. Or maybe it's like, the only thing,

the other thing I can like think of that's like, if it's really affecting every single like generation. Maybe there was like some terrible incestuous. He might bring one there too. I was like, I wonder. Yeah, maybe they had like some, some infant that has to be cared for. Because what's gonna like,

what's gonna like gut every single person as being like, you are the product of like your dad and your mom, like our also brother and sister. Parasite style just kept in like a secret area where they run around and open secret doors and stuff when they can't be watched or something. Yeah, like, mm, I don't know. So in the Journal of Notes and Queries in 1908,

this was written and Mathis, if you want to take a crack at this bad boy. The mystery was told to the present writer some 60 years ago when he was a boy and it made a great impression on him. The story was and is that in the Castle of Glambs is a secret chamber. In this chamber is confined a monster

who is the rightful heir to the title and property, but who is so unpresentable that it is necessary to keep him out of sight and out of possession. That does not, like if that ended up truly being the grand truth, especially in that time, that does not, that would not surprise me if they were like, oh, inborn mutations, okay, incestual, I'm just going to hide you away.

We won't kill you because you're blind and that's important, but into the dungeons you go. So one of the major theories, again, there's no evidence or proof of this, but there are some, you know, mystery things here that, okay, we can go down a path. One of the major theories is that it is believed that one of the Bosleone family members was housed there.

And the rumor is that it was the first born son of the 11th Earl. In records from the 1800s, it shows that Lord, that the Lord of the castle married Charlotte Grimstead in 1820 and they had their first child on October 21st who apparently died, but the rumor goes, what if the child didn't die? What if he lived and they kept him in a secret castle room?

Not only, and this is just one of those historical things I think we definitely should talk about. You know, not until recently were things like disfigurements or disorders or, you know, anything on the autistic spectrum was any of that looked at besides like lock that person away, forget about them. Like it is recent that we as a society have decided to like actually treat people like humans

rather than just like throw them away. And so it is possible that during this time period that's what happened. It is super harsh by today's standards, but for most of history messed up stuff like this did happen. And there is some historical basis for the Bosleone family having children who were born and then sent away,

you know, for whatever reason, because they felt like they couldn't inherit the titles and lands looking or acting or whatever the way they did. As an example, Catherine and Narissa Bosleone who were cousins of Queen Elizabeth were born mentally disabled and spent their lives locked away and ignored by their families. That is fucking insane to me, dude.

Yeah, that's recent. That's like 1900s history. Yeah. What the fuck? The only detailed description emerged in the 1960s when the writer James Wentworth Day spent time at Glam's while writing a history of the Bosleone family from then Earl,

from the then Earl and his relatives Wentworth Day heard the legend that, and this is another quote for you, Alex. A monster was born into the family. He was the heir, a creature fearful to behold. It was impossible to allow this deformed caricature of humanity to be seen even by their friends. His chest was an enormous barrel, hairy as a doormat.

His head ran straight into his shoulders and his arms and legs were toy-like. But however warped and twisted his body, the child had to be reared to manhood, kept safe and occasionally exercised. That job was given to the estate manager. Which is why the estate manager potentially throughout the entire time

was like, no, I don't wanna be there for this. And he was all messed up and twisted. But many people are like, well, that doesn't explain why it lasted for as long as it did. Yeah, yeah, that mean they, like a hundred years? Generations of guys, yeah.

I mean, it wouldn't be impossible, I guess, for something, but in that time, the statistic chance of making it to 100 had to have been under a percent. Right, and this again is one of those things where it could just be rumor. In 1882, The New York Times published an article that suggested that the mystery was solved and the inhabitant of the room died of extreme old age.

Others suggest the death happened in 1904. Around the time the 13th Earl died. Soon after, The New York Tribune posted a castle to let article about how the castle was now available to rent by the 14th Earl. He was renting out his ancestral home and so the assumption was, okay, whatever has happened, whatever was there,

clearly must be dealt with. You figure it out, yeah. It obviously must, well, either it was you figured out or the problem's over. Like the guy's like, all right, well, I'm not worried about you discovering a secret room so like I can rent it out to someone. Huh.

But that was 1904. And so again, if you're talking about- The 14th Earl was in 1904? He was still alive in 1904, yeah. The 11th Earl was when it started and that's the beginning of the 1800s and it went 11, 12, 13, died in 1904. So the 14th Earl, who was the son,

the guy who was like, I don't wanna know. He's like, yeah, I'll let people live here. He didn't wanna be involved. He was like, I don't wanna deal with any of this. That is, that is so compelling. It seems real. Well, another theory, get ready for this. This one, I like even more.

Another theory is that the room wasn't home to an unwanted heir, but instead, the secret burial chamber of a rival clan. Coming from a nearby region, the Ogivli clan sought refuge at the castle for, you know, there's numerous reasons why people believe this, but the whole clan was like, we seek refuge here.

And so what ended up happening is they were allowed inside, shown into a secret chamber to keep safe, then locked in, barricaded and starved to death. The shame of this act- Is there records of them going there? Yeah, there's records of them hiding out there. The shame of this act is what hung over the family. That's another, that's another possible.

And they did it in the reason they would have had motivation to do that. It's simply like- I couldn't even tell you the reason why. Oh, gotcha. Right? It was a rival clan, but they came to them for help and maybe it was just like good.

Opportunity. Yeah, an opportunity. And so that could be another thing, right? Maybe the 11th Earl was, you know, they say, historically, they say like, look, this family is known for being sort of like, they love the drink and they love it. It wasn't until the 12th Earl and the 13th,

or like, I'm sorry, the 13th Earl and the 14th Earl, where they were like, let's rebuild the chapel. Let's like think on what we've done, right? Yeah. No one knows. But also, here's another great one. I love this. It could have just been gossip.

It's an outlandish story featuring hidden rooms, dark secrets, it could have all been made up. And in fact- Yeah, there isn't really like justification of it other than hearsay, right? Right, no one knows. In fact, the Earl of Crawford, who visited the castle in 1905,

said that the Leons talk freely of ghosts. They invent stories to suit each guest based on their fears and desires. They're like just, he says they just make up stuff. He soon figures that even the secret room and the story of the monster is probably made up too. Oh. Now, again, the Earl of Crawford could be making this up

as well, because he was high society, and you know how that shit is. Everyone just is like gossip, gossip, gossip. Yeah, but- Again, there's nothing else to fucking do. But many think that it would explain a thing I mentioned earlier. It was noted by many people that this family

was known for their pranks and theatrics. And- No way. And would quickly move back and forth between moods. Like one minute they'd be making jokes, and the next minute they'd be like really sad. And so people were like, were they just playing us this entire time?

The whole thing could have been an act. Because again, this, like I mentioned in the 1700s, they just didn't live there. This was a place, like it was out in the middle of nowhere. It was, you know, drafty in the Scottish Highlands. Like no one wants to go there. Drafty. Like it was, you know, in the winter it's freezing cold.

You know, wait, it's a Scottish lowland, my bad. But you know, it's like up in, you know, it's up in Scotland. And they're like, or we can just go live in a city, like civilized people. This was the 1800s into 1900s. The revolution, like the industrial revolution's happening. This is happening, and you said this is Scotland, right? Yeah.

This is happening like around the same exact time that Jeff the Mongoose is like happening in Scotland. That's, I mean, like, again, people could just be making stuff up. Like same exact era of time. Or Jeff the Mongoose. But this is one of those time periods where, for a long time, people didn't want to live there.

And then they moved back, because it was their ancestral home, and during the 1800s, suddenly it, like, there's a mystery involved. And if you think of the timetable, they didn't live there for 100 years, returned, and suddenly it's the place to be. And people want to visit.

And people want to go explore the mystery and find the hidden room. And so maybe people think it was all BS. It's just sensationalists. Yeah, just a old school marketing. Yes! Right? Old school marketing tactics.

And the best part is, when asked about this, Rose Lady Granville, aunt to Elizabeth, who was born in the castle, said the following. This was said about her response. I'll just give you the whole bit, Alex is for you. This was said about her response.

This was her response. She looked serious, was silent for a moment, then said, we were never allowed to talk about it when we were children. Our parents forbade us ever to discuss the matter or ask any questions about it. My father and grandfather refused absolutely to discuss it. And this, again, comes down to those three major theories.

And here's the problem. They all make some kind of sense. They have the background story of, oh, maybe it was a child that was locked away and kept a secret. People saw like a weird, like they claimed as a weird creature running around the castle, right?

And during the time period, they would get freaked out because someone looked different. That's possible, sure. And you wouldn't want to talk about that. Also, if it's the bones of a dead clan, you wouldn't want to talk about that because that is like a stain on the record of your house.

And then if it's BS, it's just like any good magician. You never reveal your trick, never. You go to your death bed with that trick because once you reveal it, then it's over. And if you tell a kid, and that kid just spills the secret for whatever reason, done.

And so again, that is part of it. But why did the children change, right? There's so many mysteries here and none of it quite makes sense and all of it is a little like wacky. Summer is back and so are the deals at Larry H. Miller Chrysler Jeep Dodge Ram Sandy. Whether you're hitting the open road

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and if it was the family, is that implying that like the family like had kids and stuff like while they were being kept captive? And like, cause like if they're banging stuff was happening for a hundred years, they didn't apply the family they captured was alive for at least that long. Well, the idea is,

I think if you're talking about the Klan. The rival Klan. Yeah, they would locked in a room and then they'd starved to death and died. Like they would have died in days, maybe a week. And again, that goes back to the story about the dude who like found a hallway and then saw that like cement,

like recently layered cement was there. We could literally press his finger in it. And so- Were they able to like verify that story? Again, none of this is because it's all, if you go back, listen to this episode again, all the stories are like a dude who visited in 1860, wrote in 1904 that, you know, like that kind of stuff

or a guy was told this like, so again, it's all, it could be hearsay, it could be all courtly rumor. And that again is kind of what I think they wanted, but maybe they didn't. I have, you know, why would you keep bringing it up? If you didn't want people to think about it. There is kind of like some consistency,

at least among the people that are describing- Whatever- No, whatever this thing is that they may or may not have seen around, right? Like they have this like, it's a toad, it's like a nasty, disgusting, weird guy with weird arms and legs. Yeah.

You know, like, I don't know what that means, you know, I'm sure they were probably just being super hard on some slightly disfigured person, if that's what that was. But, you know, those things all have a negative true to them to me just because they all sort of sync up in terms of the facts. But the implication would be that this dude

who was the first, the first born son, which would have been 1820, October 21st, 1820, this child would have lived at least potentially until the late 1880s or 1904. There's 1882, there's talk of 1882. So lived from 1820 to 1882 or 1904. So we're looking at either 62 years or 84 years, which is possible, but very rare,

especially for a child- They would have to be taking such good care of this child. Yeah, especially for a person not being taken care of very well. And during this time period, I like the fact that this person can live longer than the Earls is mysterious in itself. Yeah, the multiple Earls are dying, you know,

in this person, supposed person's lifetime. Right. It's a secret that they have to keep their generations. And again, how do you, you know, another mystery, like another part of the mystery is the managers. They aren't part of the family, they just work for the family. So when the managers move on,

why don't they tell the secret? Yeah, yeah, they quietly kill the day after they leave. That's what I'm saying, like there were multiple managers. Why didn't they say something? Nothing. And then the manager seems like someone in charge is really willing to pay quite a bit of money to keep whatever it is under wraps, if that's true,

you know what I mean? And that's like the 12th Earl, he literally sent a person away to another continent rather than have his father's secret revealed. Wasn't even his secret. Off to Australia you go. And the digging a mile through the snow to not be in the castle is just like,

that's a lot of dedication in that time to not be in a place for the night or whatever it was. And this is one of those stories that truly has no answer. No one knows, anyone who did know is dead, or it's one of those secrets where they claim to know nothing now, but they secretly all know.

Who knows? Who has any clue? What's like the nickname for this thing? The Glamis Castle secret? Yeah, it's like the way you'll find most of it online is just look up the monster of Glam's. But there's a lot of like deep diving you can do. What's crazy is what I did find

is the Smithsonian has an article about it. And most other places literally just copy word for word, the Smithsonian article. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had a classic paranormal. Yeah, there's a wiki about it. There's an article in the Scotsman about it. There's all sorts of different things

that you can look up and find about this. But again, it's also straight up just a castle you can visit right now. They have COVID precautions. It isn't just like an old ancient stone. And if you go there now, it's like crumbled in ruins, literally, you can just be like, I would like to book a tour.

And you can make that happen. I just want to point out that the sword from the Green Stone is available at the Tudor House Museum right now. If you want to go take a look at it. The one they found under the bridge. From the painting that they found behind the wall in a house, a real old house, Mr. Whateverton's house.

It was very impactful, you remember his name. Listen, I read about a lot of haunted Brits in this life, okay? Yeah, based on, I have to give Alex credit for this. Because of his story, I did a deep dive into whatever hell the Green Stone was because I was infuriated and it led me to this. And I was like, oh, this actually, and I like it because it isn't,

like there is no weird ghost thing that happens. It literally is just a mystery. The mystery is that three dudes throughout the entire 1800s were like, no, I'm not going to tell you. Which is difficult in itself. Keeping a secret is tough. Keeping a secret like this.

And that's why you know whatever it was, it had to have been so important to the family that it was like you can never tell anyone. Whether it be it was a child, whether it be it's a dead body of another clan, or it's literally our family thrives on this. We make our money off of this now. And if you screw it up, you're broke.

And you have no money. See, I can definitely see that. Cause again, going back to how you described, they just lived in the bum fuck nowhere with nothing happening. You need to get tourists out there somehow. You need money flowing through your economy. So that's, I mean, that's a great way to do it.

Just make up stories. Especially during the wake of the gunpowder plot, maybe Mary Queen of Scots had to stow her hidden mystical stone inside of a castle in Scotland. You never know. You never know. You never know. You really don't know.

Yeah, yeah. It was literally the Green Stone that cemented into that secret room. Dude, that's why the cement was so soft is cause it was so strong back there. That was old. That was that cement had been there since the castle was built,

but the stone was making it. Right. Yeah. It all checks out. Yeah. And that is the story of the Gems monster. Loved it. Well, thank you so much.

Yeah, that was, that's a fascinating. My personal, what's your personal belief? I think my personal belief is likely deformed family member. I feel like the story is, I don't want to say it's better if that's the answer, but at least it has an answer and it makes sense because you know throughout history,

people have done terrible things like that. And it does sort of line up with the child being born and then vanishing or, you know, being said dead. But also like after doing this show for as long as I have and seeing all the people that we've reviewed and talked about who are like, I did see that thing. I also kind of believe that they could have just made it up. Yeah.

I mean, here's the thing. If I believe what I feel like is like, if there is a secret, it probably doesn't have to do with something locked in a room. It's probably a piece of information and all the other stuff that they let people believe to cover that piece of information up is probably helpful for them.

You know what I mean? Like whatever the real secret is, it's probably something like, if there is a secret, it's probably something mundane and like truly can't be let out for some practical reason. And they just let this legend spring up around it to sort of like smoke screen it. And like you said, it's beneficial to them too

because they ended up getting monetary benefit. People were coming to there to see what the fuck's up. All that shit. I didn't even think about it until right now, the idea that like they had a chapel on the premises that was destroyed and then the 13th Earl could like, he was like, oh, repent. And the 14th is like, I'll rebuild the chapel.

Where'd he get the money for that? Probably from this whole shenanigan thing, you know? Yeah. It's like the Da Vinci Code, right? It's like the actual bloodline is a, you know, the holy grail is like, it's not a grail. It's a person, you know what I mean? Spoilers for that old book, but yes.

Fuck, if you don't know the fucking end of Da Vinci Code by now, you fucked up. It's movies, like there's all kinds of shit. Yeah. But I mean, yeah. Well, thank you for bringing this historical mystery to our table, Jesse, to bring a dash of fact into the, into what you consider a pool of non-fans.

History is a strange thing. You don't need to make stuff up. Sometimes it's a, all the best weird stories are right there for you to find. Damn right. Yeah. We are now going to go record a mini-so double feature. So if you are new to the Patreon or jumped in this week

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