Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 116 - The Mysterious Lead Mask Deaths Ft. Diction

Episode Date: August 31, 2021

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joined by Jesse Cox, Alex Fosyanne, and special guest. Call you Nick for right now, Twitch.tv slash Diction, whatever you want to call it, but you're also in California, so it's three, you're like the ove bowls of California. What is that? Why would you call me that? He's from another country.

I don't understand. He's also an asshole. Is that how you can say his name? Ove bowl? Ove bowl. Isn't that how you say ove bowl? Not ove, because I have the postal, like, R-W-U-S thing in the background.

I just know you're a big movie guy, and I just wanted to really throw you. Oh, one of the best movies. I love shitty video game adaptations that are made for a German tax fund. You want to throw up the masters of form, see if we can notice. Yeah, welcome to the show, Nick.

We appreciate having you here. It's good to have you. But before we, I'm unfortunately can't let you talk yet, because before we do anything, Alex usually has something super important. Oh my God, everyone be quiet. Yes. I do have something important to talk about.

This is super important. Shut up, everyone. That's a podcast. The people who work on this podcast. Everyone just shut up right now. Yeah, don't talk about it. There's a podcast out there. Now be quiet.

Keep it down, guys. This is, there's a podcast out there that... Shut up, yeah, something important to say. Right now. It's time to get serious. The podcast that I'm talking about, these guys work so hard to bring this content to you. They, you know, I mean, it's a fairly thankless job.

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So patreon.com slash chilluminati pod, patreon.com slash chilluminati pod, patreon.com slash chilluminati pod. Mathis, do me a favor. When you have time, someone out there, who are the longest running patrons? I could definitely find that out for you. We need to know who they are.

Make them fight each other. Well, I think we should have like, whatever that number is, if it's like, you know, a hundred weeks or something, like 500 months, whatever the number is, that should make like a line there. And if you get above that, we get you like, you get like,

actually in the chilluminati. Yeah, we should send you a haunted. Induct me. Yeah, we like send you a weird haunted eBay gift just for being a part. Yeah. I like it. I like it.

Give it a box. Give it a box. Yeah. We did an episode on that too. We've talked about it. Like this $8 haunted piano, something that we just would have sent it to you. Like, welcome, you're part of it now.

You get a Polaroid of the Annabelle doll from the Conjuring house. Yes, you get a production still of the Annabelle doll prop from the film. We get a strand of James Wan's hand. Yeah, it's not very long. Yeah. Mike, it lost the mail.

I guess Nick, now we can say, welcome to the show, man. I got I got I got to ask as I ask all guests, where on the believer spectrum do you lie? Are you on the heavy skeptic side? Like, I don't know, not like me personally, but, you know, like, if I were to be the believer, me or are you heavily a skeptic? I mean, it depends on the subject matter.

I don't believe in ghosts. I think it's bullshit. Um, I don't believe in Bigfoot because if there was a Bigfoot, we would have found them now by now. Like, it's just ridiculous. Aliens, it's naive of us to believe that we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe.

That's just stupid. The universe is infinite. It's gigantic. Of course, there's intelligent life. Have they been here? I really don't think so. I feel like we're a blip. We're if they're a blip on our radar,

then they're a blip on ours, you know, so like, yeah. But it's too big. It's just too big. It's too big. It's way too big. Like, no matter how smart they are with their infinite, you know, technology, why would they come here?

Like, all we do is produce methane gas. Like, that's all we do. It's for the work on energy. It's for the work on it too. Let me tell you. Yeah, we make bad movies and fart. Like, that's our, that's our thing. How dare you?

Well, you brought a move of bulls. So that's what I'm talking about. Hitman was a work of art as well, right? Wait, which one? You didn't see any of them. So I don't know. It was just, I was just swinging. I have to say, plot wise, Hitman, Agent 47,

the second one, plot wise, garbage, but they totally nail the whole Hitman-y-ness of it where he like, creatively kills people. Like, at least they got like one of the most important. Yeah, you can check it out. Yeah. Well, you brought us a topic as all our guests do on this, on this time.

And the past couple of weeks, we actually talked about the lost city of Atlantis, all of its bizarre origins and kind of into this wooey, kind of weird place. And so after a couple of weeks lost in the world of the weird and having planned on doing a true crime next series. What is this gonna be?

What is this about to be? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't worry about it. It's under the true. Don't worry about it. I'm always worried. Don't be worried about it, all right? I've only, I've, have I steered you wrong? Have I personally, Mathis, Mike,

you, however you want to call me, have I steered you wrong yet? You? Never. I'm glad you had to specify you personally. You've been on this podcast. I would have been like. Everyone on this show is a straight shooter.

What are you talking about? This show's got a sterling reputation. Nobody's ever done anything wrong on here. Never. Every question raised, answered. That's the thing that they like us for. That's why they go to the Patreon. Every question raised, answered.

Satisfied. Every question raised, answered. I don't think you've been on the Reddit. I've heard about it. I don't think you've gone to the Reddit. There are comments. There are only a couple. So many questions.

So many. Okay. Can I just say then in my defense that somebody actually fucking went to the fucking Green Stone display in the fucking Tudor Museum? Today, they posted a picture of it. And it's really there.

And it's the knife and a Green Stone. Here's the. And here's the question. Like this is what it would have looked like. What does it have to do with the house? Did they give us an answer on the house? I will give you an answer on the house when you're least expecting it.

Is this going to be that episode? We're like out of nowhere. You're like, and then the house. I want you to think that every episode is going to be that episode. I'll be here. Here's my answer officially. No, thank you so much.

All right. Well, you got to let me guide you, Jesse. Because like I said, the next big series I was going to do is going to be a big true crime case, a rather famous name in the true crime world. And to kind of bridge that gap, fate would have it that Nick here would bring us a topic that seems on its surface

to be a pretty straightforward true crime mystery, but ends up being a bridge between the real and the strange dare I even say, alien. What? A case that I've called myself to mom should too, double homicide, which I really like as a. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I like that.

Yeah, yeah, right, right. To mom should to double homicide. There's about to actually be a to mom should too, because they they exhumed that dude. They're about to took his corpse double homicide. At least two of us are done after this one. All right, that's the last episode. Shlumanati, thanks for everybody.

We're done, we're done, dude. What is happening? Glint. Yeah, don't worry, Jesse. It's all going to pay out just like Atlantis. It's all going to pay out like Atlantis. Yeah, we pay out in droves. Patreon.com.

At Shlumanati pod. Upon first glance, there's a lot of similarities between this case and the to mom should case, the mysterious discovery of someone far from where they should be, strange messages and items scattered around the area and no physical evidence of any struggle, wrong doing or foul play.

Only the hints of something greater and maybe something not of this world. This case, ladies and gentlemen, is simply known as the lead masks case. When it comes to internet, streaming and mobile, choice overload is real. Luckily, smart move makes it easy to cut through the noise. Whether you want an upgrade or a moving to a new home,

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and I know only the like bare bones, like basic sort of like why it's crazy. Like it makes a lot of lists and people actually suggest it to me to do all the time as an episode because it's a pretty... It is an Alexi episode. It's a pretty wacky one,

but it's not wacky because it's like stupid. It's just wacky because it's like a very shocking scenario. So I'm very interested to hear some details about this. Yep. Well, before we get too deep, then I wanna acknowledge the sources I use for this episode which ultimately surmises to a bunch of websites like anomaly info, Skeptoid, a few medium articles

and the March 1967 issue of the Flying Saucer Review. What a great issue of that magazine for that year. Dude, my brother just got me like four UFO magazines from the 60s, I might have that one. Oh, you might have that one. That'd be great if you did. Beyond those handful of resources. They're like, they're like zines, you know what I mean?

They have like a very handmade quality. Yeah, very much so. Beyond those handful of sources and obviously a bunch of internet sluice on websites like Reddit, we don't actually have a lot of direct information on this mysterious case and this is for two big reasons. One, it happened way back in 1966 and it happened in Brazil.

Any and all firsthand sources, articles or information that I'd wanna get my hands on that might help crack further into the details of this one are A, in a language I don't understand or B, simply lost to time. But there's still enough here that we can take a reasonably take a look at the events that likely transpired and piece together

a few possible scenarios that cause the mysterious deaths. There are two big factors that separate this from the other cousin mystery to mom should. First and biggest is that there wasn't just one body, there were two. And the second is that this comes off as almost a mirror version of to mom should. Well, and to mom should, we had a briefcase,

objects closed to go on, but no identity. In the lead mask case, we have shockingly little physical evidence as what actually happened, but do know who the two men were that ended up passing away. And you can likely figure out what one of those items that they had nearby,

simply by the name of this particular mystery. Obviously. A briefcase. So, yes, correct. You got it. A small passage from a book that says the lead masks on it. It's the head growling pope. Yeah, exactly.

So on August 17th, 1966, two men by the names of Miguel Jose Viana and Manuel Pereira de Cruz, who lived in Campos dos Goitoseres. Oh, oh, that's so helpful. It is in Brazil, told their families that they were heading out to gather work supplies.

Both of them were electronic technicians and known and liked rather well in their small town. Now, from what I could research, it seemed as though at least from the outside, everything within their families and daily lives was rather normal. They had young families, wives, children, and a steady job.

And it wouldn't have been out of the ordinary for the two men to need to go out and purchase supplies for the job in any given day. However, on this particular day, something else was going on. Both Miguel and Manuel met up shortly after leaving their homes. And from what evidence could be pieced together,

we know that they boarded a bus heading to Niteroí, Brazil and arrived there at 2.30 p.m. For reference, that's about 170 miles, 170 mile long bus ride from their hometown. Jesus. Yeah, it's a huge distance. From there, we can confirm only two more things. They both purchased identical waterproof coats,

and then they bought a single bottle of water that was purchased from a local bar shortly after they arrived. Like between the two of them, they only got one bottle of water? Yep, they only purchased a single bottle of water, but they were seen together. Because that bus ticket must have been fucking expensive, man.

I can imagine. Like, oh, we can only afford one bottle. Is that what it is? Like, okay. They both purchased beyond those certain purchases. From there, they actually wouldn't be seen for three more days until, and we're gonna immediately get into a clarification.

There are lots of conflicting sources on what happens from this point on. The general consensus is a boy that was flying his kite or chasing his kite actually noticed a terrible smell coming from the hill nearby, and he went over to check it out and he saw the two corpses of two men

that had been laying in the grass. However, there's another interview that I came across that said that the boy saw those men four days prior on the same hill, sitting there quietly together. So when he saw them a second time, he thought they were just lying down. Which particular tale is true because they're coming from two different media sources

we don't know. Wait, sorry to interrupt. So wait, he saw them before their dad's sitting there, and then he saw them four days later lying down and was like, oh, these guys have just been chilling here for four straight days. Yeah, well, he came back. So the story, so he saw them, came back two days later,

thought they were like laying down, ignored it, came back again another day or two later, then there was a smell, saw them, they were still there when and got policed. Oh, those guys weren't just chilling. I was about to call the kids stupid, like, oh yeah, they've just been hanging out for three days straight, normal, super normal.

Yeah, two dudes hanging out on a hill that haven't moved in days, totally normal. But no, that makes, okay, that makes more sense. Piecing together a kind of straightforward series of events from this point forward, especially with different things coming together and different people. From this point forward?

Yeah, so we're just- I'm still trying to piece together the events that got us to this point. I love, I've been watching Jesse's face this whole time. He's just like sitting there like, what? So that, so here, so those are the only physical facts that we have pure evidence for that we know what happened. So just to reiterate.

Please, yes. They get on this bus, they make one stop, they buy coats, raincoats, you said? To identical water jackets, yeah, waterproof coats, raincoats. And then one bottle of water. And then at a local bar, one bottle of water. Now why are they buying the raincoats?

Why are they wearing lead masks? Great question. Yeah, we're gonna, there's a lot of things. So that's, we're gonna get now into the real details of what was found. Okay. On Saturday, August 20th, 1966, both of the men's bodies had been discovered.

The police in Netoroi, I think that's how you say it, a town less than five miles from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, had been informed that the Maro de Vintem, a hill nearby, had a powerful and unpleasant odor coming from it. And upon investigation, they found the bodies of two men lying in the foliage of the hill decomposing. Both men were dressed neatly in suits

and both were wearing raincoats. And each man had an odd lead eye mask lying on the ground next to their heads. What does that mean? Lead eye mask. Like a sleeping mask, like a sleeping mask made out of lead. Oh.

Like you put it over their eyes. Like, look up the lead, you can see pictures of it. You can literally see pictures. I was thinking of like peacekeepers mask. You know? Oh no, no, this. No, it's more like just for their like, you go on to sleep, you need a night mask,

you place it on. It has the eye of like, you know the bib that you put on when you go to the like the dentist or you're the doctor to get an x-ray? It has like that type of vibe. Okay. I'm looking at images right now

to see it's like a, it's like a classic 1930s like bank robber mask, except with that eye holes cut out. Yeah, no eye holes. Yeah, yeah. And it's just made of lead. What year? 1960s.

Okay. 1966, I think, right? Yeah. So what was found continues. Each man had some money on them. One man had 4,000 CR, which is just the currency in this pocket. And the other had 157,000 CR on him.

They only been a plastic bag. They can only afford one bottle of water. Maybe the only needed one. So here's another interesting mystery that goes. Here's another interesting mystery that goes along with it. It's purported that they had actually taken out four million. We don't know where any of the other money went.

What was the exchange rate back then? Ooh, good guy. I don't, I saw something I even thought to look up. I have no idea. They were electricians, right? Yeah, they were electricians back then. This is 1966, Brazil money. I mean, like the only exchange rate

where millions means very little is yen, right? So that's still gotta be a lot of money. I mean, what year was this again? 1960 something? 1966. 66. The exchange, like so inflation was crazy in the 60s. So I have no idea.

It would be way warped compared to it is now, for sure. And I can only imagine like pesos, but that's Mexico or not. Is this real? South America. C, capital C, lowercase R. I don't know what that stands for. Crucieros?

Cruz? Yeah, that's probably what it is. Something. Either way, they had taken out a good chunk, even if it wasn't, you know, didn't equate to millions. It definitely equated to multiple thousands. I feel like it's gonna be a lot of money. A ton of it is missing,

when especially all we know they bought was the raincoats and the water bottle. CR? Yeah. Oh, I don't know what that is. You can just look at Brazilian money, maybe we'll just come up from that. Give me a feedback.

It definitely is Cruz something. Crucieros, crucieros. I thought Brazilian money was called the real. It might have changed. I mean, it's possible. Yeah, we only got we only got the Euro like what, like 25 years ago, something like that, 20 years ago. Yeah.

Yes, it's C-R-U-Z-E-I-R-O-S. Not sure how you say that, but that's what it is. There you go. Either way, there was other things found with them on top of the money. A bunch of money is missing. We don't know anything about it. Some notes were actually found with the bodies.

Many of the notes were identifiable as electrical formula, but two were very, very strange. The first said, quote, Sunday, one capsule after lunch, Wednesday, one capsule at bedtime. The second note said, be at the place arranged at 1600, 1600 hours and 1630. Take capsules at 1830. After feeling effects, protect half the face with lead masks.

Await the agreed signal. And those are the only notes that were found with them. Like, what the fuck does that mean, dude? Right. It's like, this is what it's like going along on one of your journeys, Alex. He asked me for a banger, and I, he delivered. I had a banger just in my back pocket.

So obviously after the police came and the bodies were inspected, the bodies were then removed from the hill and an autopsy proceeded as their identities and activities were investigated. The men were identified, as I said, as Miguel and Manuel, both from the town of Campos, 170 miles away, where the town regarded them highly,

and both were described as electronics enthusiasts. The police fairly quickly determined when and how the men reached the hill, but the information didn't really answer any important questions. Vienna and Cruz had last been seen by their families on Wednesday, August 17th, when they had boarded at the bus at 9 a.m.

They said they were headed to Sao Paulo, which is 430 miles away to buy electronic equipment and a car, and they were carrying cash. Ah, here we go. And as I was saying earlier, they were carrying cash of over 3 million. So that could buy a car, for sure. That one would definitely buy them a car.

If they had a car, why'd they take them? Well, they were going to buy a car. They were going to buy a car. They were taking a bus. But that was still a lie. So we still don't know where that money went. We did, the money didn't just disappeared. The bus then arrived at Niteroi around 2 p.m.

and the men got off. Because it was raining, the two bought raincoats for around 9,400. So that gives you, I guess, an idea of how valuable the money was. Yeah, a raincoat carrying more than like 15 bucks, right? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So then they went to a bar,

purchased the bottle of mineral water, and kept the receipt because the receipt was found in their bodies so they could get back the refund on the empty bottle later. Around 3 p.m., they set off up the Moro de Vintem on foot, which is the hill that they were found on. Around 5 p.m., a boy saw the two men sitting

at point high up on the hill. So this is the other side of the story where a boy sees them the first time around that they're up there still alive. On the following day, the 18th, the same boy saw the two men in the same place on the hill but lying down this time. Two days later, on August 20th,

the same boy was hunting birds around the foot of the hill and ran across the fowl odor. And it was his notice of the odor that eventually ended up bringing in the authorities. Both Vienna and Cruz had started to decompose by the time of the discovery and autopsy. But despite this, it was determined that there were no signs of violence or evidence of burning

and no indication of poisons in their organs. It was generally assumed they had both, they both had cardiac failures, but there was no explanation put forth for this. Which they did in toxicology report. So, and here's another point that we actually have two differing sources on. And one source that says their body was too decomposed

and they couldn't do a toxicology report on the bodies. And then another said they did do a toxicology report and found nothing. We don't, I have no way of verifying which one of those is true, unfortunately. There's two varying ones. Just because I had to do this for my own sanity. In 1966, the first off, Alex is totally right.

The Cruz arrow, Cruz arrow, whatever it is, no longer exists. It's a currency that does not exist anymore. But in 1966, according to shout out to gov info.gov where they literally have an old document from 19 March 31st, 1966 department of treasury where it lists every single exchange rate. I love the internet.

And it is basically 3 million BRCs or whatever they are. BCRs is $1,363 roughly. So that's, you could get like a used car. Like a, well, but this is, this is 1966. This is 1966. You could have got like $1,400. You could get a ton of money to be carrying around in 1966. It's a huge amount of money.

That's a lot. Like I wouldn't carry that amount now at all. Ever. Right. Like that's ridiculous. Yeah, no. So. Yeah. So in terms of. The other reason I brought that up is because like,

Mike did a great deep dive on this because I didn't know a lot of those details, but just like the money, the one thing I did think when I first like read about this case was like, there's more people involved. There has to be. Like they got the notes.

It's, it seems like it's a cult type thing. But like these two dudes who are electricians, like electricians don't make shit now. Like why would they make that much money back then? It's almost 12 Gs in American dollars today. Yeah. So like, why would they have that money? Just, just to solve it and they're being so conservatively

like spending it. Like in my mind, one bottle of mineral water. In my mind, the only thing it sounds like it's like, in my mind, it sounds like they're going to like trip out. Right. And like, maybe they think they're, they're going to need to protect their eyes. Right. But even if that's what they're doing. Right.

Someone has done hallucinogens several times. I, I, I, I don't think there's a way you can make acid that gives you a fucking heart attack. I just mean what, but after you take the acid, what do you need fucking $12,000 for? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I don't understand that unless they had to buy the drugs

with that money and then that's their change. It would not have been that expensive. Well, I mean, I don't know what the drug is. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know of any drug that you need to wear a lead mask once you take it. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Unless it's some like holistic, new age, you know. Chalker cleansing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just sounds so like, like mezzo-american, ceremonial, like tripping on a hill type shit. It does. It's less like a, it's like both like the, the Haley Bopp comet, you know, like suicide cult and also what you just said,

like where it's, it's got some sort of like spiritualistic like angle to it. Yeah. It's really weird. Very funky. Jesse, I'm sorry. Were you, were you about to say something? I'm just looking at car prices. I'm just mesmerized by like what their, their vibe was because.

How much was the Datsun back in, in 1966? Well, so in 66, the things that I'm finding is it's like, what I'm learning first off is that name brand always is, is adding dollars. So like really funny is the fact that like if it's 1963 and you want, for example, like a Ford fair lane from 1960 as $58,000 still crazy. Damn. But I know they have like BMW, Mercedes Benz, 300 SL Roadster

that's used $50,000. It's probably because they're made of fucking straight up metal. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're looking at like, if it's 1966 and you want to get a Ford two door, it's $3,000 American dollars. So, you know, they definitely could get a Pinto or whatever in Brazil for 1300 bucks. Easy. Sure.

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. So I mean, the story checks out actual money went to though. Like where did the money go though? Because they didn't buy a car. Was when they found the bodies was the money not there. Only the leftover money. One was carrying 4,000 and somebody else was carrying 156,000. So they didn't buy the car.

Or like, no, they never even want to. They never even bought something. They told them you know, the money went somewhere. I know that was like a lie, like they told their families they were going to do this and then they went. Yeah, they told their families they were going to get a car and get in work supplies away, but they didn't even get that far. I was thinking the car could have been not for them.

They could have bought the car. Oh, that's very possible. Third party. It's possible. Yeah. So that. But so it's like a policy scenario. But they're like taking care of an alien. Which is the last time they were seen was was getting like water at a station.

They didn't get back on the bus. Nope. And they went to a nearby hill. They walk in the hills by the bus station. That's it. They stopped there and they died there. OK, it's like, you know, if you're like, you don't want people to know where you're going, you like buy a train ticket to one place,

you get off at another place kind of deal. Yeah, you get off like halfway through and then jump on another train or something. But. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, we'll move forward. Why that hill, though? Yeah, well, there's some theories. We'll get we'll get there.

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One said, talk to ecology got done. One has said it didn't get done. Which is no way for us to know. Regardless, it seemed likely that the that the men died sometime on the night of August 17th, and nothing in the information police have found indicated the men expected that they were going to die. Time out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You left out a key detail that I don't think our listeners are aware of.

You said they had lead masks, right? Yes. And what we had discussed is like, oh, it's like a sleeping mask. You know, like I literally it is a piece of lead they cut to look like sunglasses, not like something they bought at a store. Like for sleeping is literally lead cut. Definitely looks homemade to fit on their eyeball. I'm looking at their photo right now. No, no, it looks like Ray Ban.

Ray Ban makes a lead. It looks like Roy Orbison in the 80s. This is literally just pieces of lead they cut and put on their eyes. And they go, yeah, they just look like they did it by hand for themselves. And they just made it for themselves. I thought you were like, oh, yeah, they bought like, you know, sleeping masks for sleeping on the bus. And I was like, oh, that makes sense.

No, no, no, they just like even weirder. Oh, my God. OK. Yeah. Well, did you hear the notes that they that were found in their body or were you lost in the car research at that point about the capsules and like a and the lead mask on their face? Yeah, I don't just make it short. You know, the ping pong ball thing? That's kind of what it feels like to me.

The ping pong ball white noise thing. You ever seen that you cover your cut a ping pong ball in half and cover your oh, yeah. People who do Ouija board do that all the while. This is like real. This actually just happens like a no. This is like a brain thing. This is like you cut off your sensory input from your eyes

and then you play white noise and you can't you don't have any input anymore. And your body just starts creating stimuli from nothing. Well, yeah, they have those like sensory deprivation. It's just like that. It's if you don't have to buy like a, you know, a million dollar cruisiered tank, you know what I mean? Yeah. So near the bodies, there was no evidence that indicated to the police that the men were planning on dying

at this particular point in their venture. There was also there was now also the question of why the fuck would they know that? Look at the way they walk. I don't think they're planning on suicide up here. No, no, no, this is. The the only the only evidence that they provide and what I've been able to read is that because apparently they kept their receipt so that they could return to the water bottle after

because there was some return policy where they get some of their money back. If they get like a glass bottle, kind of how do you return a water bottle? You're spits in it. No, you do that. Like even, you know, that it has a little. You mean like after, but without actually using it? OK. No, no, not without actually using it. I mean, it's just a recycling.

Oh, right. Because they didn't have that back then. There's a Seinfeld episode. It is a weeping Native American man to tell them to recycle in the 80s. Yeah, it's like it's like five cents in most states and like ten cents in one state to get all the bottles and they try and take it. OK, I make it right. Never mind. Don't forget me.

Now, there was also the question of where most of their money had disappeared to, as they had clearly not had a chance to buy the car or equipment in what was now known as their last actions. Further, the police determined that the odd note mentioning the lead mask did not match the handwriting samples for either of the victims. So they remember they have, you know, they could get handwriting samples from their families and they also had electronic formula on them.

That was their handwriting as well. It seems that they would seem like it's not a suicide because why would you? Like if you're about to just fucking die right now, why do you need to? It seems like someone gave them instructions. I mean, why do you need to cover? Why do you need to protect yourself from something that you're going to die? Yeah, why are you going to stop anything from blinding your eyes if that's like what they're worried about?

Yeah, I mean, we can get to that later, but it seems like they believed in something higher that was going to happen. Well, it's like when people look at like to be taken for it. It's like when people look at like, oh, they didn't empty their fridge. They like had they just bought groceries. Like why would they kill themselves? You know, it's like just has that vibe to me. Yeah, yeah.

And it's not going to get any simpler as we continue. Things will just get more complicated. God, on August 17th, the same day that Viana and Cruz had climbed up on that hill, a lady of high social status by the name of Senora Grisinda Barbosa Contino de Sousa. That was good. That's a great name. That's a good name.

Thank you. From the Detroit neighborhood of Fonseca saw this is on the 17th. She saw claimed to have seen an unidentified flying object. Sousa had been driving that evening with three of her children when they all saw, quote, an oval shaped object of an orangey color with a band of fire around its edges, end quote. So a typical tic-tac shaped UFO hanging over the top of a hill, and quote, sending out rays in all directions.

Sousa stopped the car and she and her children watch the object rise and fall vertically in the air for about three to four minutes. When she got home, she told her husband about the sighting and he immediately jumped up and got into the car and drove back to see if he could see it. But noted that he ended up seeing nothing himself. But a few days later, he was telling the police about that sighting. The hill his wife had seen the object over was none other than moro diventem, the hill the two bodies had been found on.

Sousa's husband had managed to keep his wife from seeing any of the articles regarding the matter, presumably to keep her from freaking out. But when he saw the story in the papers himself, he felt the need to tell the police of the strange sighting over the hill on the same day that two men had arrived in town. Fonseca is about 13 and a half miles from the hill that his wife saw. So his wife would likely not have had any clue about the presence of both of the men earlier there earlier in the day.

Reports of the sighting appeared in local papers on August 25th, along with some claims that further information from the Sousa's was known and being kept secret by the police, which would, of course, be hard to prove true or false, but definitely sounded sensational and likely sold a lot of papers, though it's hard to know if there was actually any secrets being captured if the media was simply trying to cash in on this kind of coincidence. After the report went public, the police had a number of other people called to confirm the sighting of the UFO.

They had all been afraid to report such strange matters because the topic of UFOs was being discouraged by the government at the time. But the fact that someone of Senora Sousa's status was willing to come forward gave the rest of them the courage they needed, according to reports, of course. About the same time, another strange matter appeared in the newspapers, but only in a very simple form. It was stated that four years earlier in 1962, a TV technician named Hermes had been found dead on a hill called

Moro de Cuesero near Neves, and he, too, was found with a lead mask. The Moro de Cueseros is about 176 miles from the Moro de Vintembe, so a good distance from where the other two men were found dead. Never heard about this, but it's not much known beyond this. This is the thing. But it's also 84 miles from Campos, the hometown of Vienna and Cruz. However, there was no more actual information about this matter, and there's no indication the story was even double checked at the time.

Damn. So could be just totally fake. We can't even verify that the story is real, more or less. Only that it kind of popped up briefly. And there's no I'm going to assume there's no UFO evidence whatsoever. Right. I mean, none that I can get in English at the very least. Like, I mean, I mean, I don't believe anyone that says they've seen a UFO. Like, I don't want to be that guy who I know. Do you not want to be Jesse or do you relish in being that guy?

But it seems to me like UFO sightings happen all the time. And if you like, you know, well, someone was also murdered around the same area where we saw a UFO. Then, you know, you'd be like the aliens murdered them, right? Like, I don't know. Yeah, fair. Just there's no connector to it, except like this lady says she saw a thing and then no one else saw a thing. So it must be connected to the hill.

I don't know that by that. What kind of answer is it? She on is that might be a factor. Listen, it was 1966. I'm not sure what was available back then. Yeah. No, cocaine. Alcohol, alcohol, cocaine. Lots of coke.

However, lots. Things would soon get soon as things would soon get serious as police would soon arrest a friend of the two dead men, a man by the name of Alicio Gomez, quote, for making contradictory statements. And, quote, Cruz's widow had told police that Gomez and her husband had an argument, which is likely why they went looking for him to start with. What they got wasn't what they wanted. Gomez claimed that both he and the dead men, Vianna and Cruz, were members

of a secret society of, quote, scientific spiritualists. This is where it's at. All right. Who regularly attended seances and that apparently almost all electronic specialists and enthusiasts in the area were scientific spiritualists as well. Gomez claimed that Vianna and Cruz collaborated on many strange electronic experiments and hoped to communicate with beings on Mars. A further statement by Gomez, one confirmed by Cruz's father, was that he and Cruz

had worked on an experiment in Cruz's garden that had violently exploded. That's what they were fucking around. Basically, you know, it just kind of reminds me of being a kid and mixing things together in the tub and making a potion, except you're an adult and now you're trying to make a thing that communicates with another dimension and it has the potential to kill you. I remember some story, I remember some story that reminds me about Tesla. I don't know. I might have told it on here before.

I don't even know if it's a real story, but it was just told to me one time that, like, there, like there was like this crazy, like seismic activity radiating from Tesla's lab one time and like these cops came by to like do like a welfare check and they opened the door and he was like in there like, come on, help me. It's going to blow. And they like go in and like try to like tear apart some machine. That was like vibrating with some crazy frequency that was like shaking the foundations of the building and they had to like shut it down.

How does that vibe to me? There's so many good Tesla stories. Yeah, I hope that is that a real story? Like I just had to say time that he like made that machine that made hats, but he didn't know it was making hats and they ended up like in the woods. He thought it was duplicating cats, but then it ended up making right. But it was yeah. And then that guy bought it from him. Yeah, I love that song he has where it's like bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam.

And I got lost on the references. I don't know where we are anymore. It's because it's a movie and you've never seen movies. And it's so sad. It's directed by Tristan Rowland. OK, all right, I know his brother. Continuing on, Gomez, their friend, also talked about a strange incident that had occurred a few months prior on June 13th,

two months before they would end up dying. On that day, Gomez and some others had been invited by Vianna and Cruz to visit the beach at Atifona, 24 miles from their hometown. Just as Gomez arrived, a quote intensely luminous object came down from the sky to hover over the shore of the beach.

It stayed there for five minutes and then it began to rise. When there was a blinding flash and an explosion that shook buildings 15 kilometers away, the papers reported that inquiries, presumably by the police, turned up fishermen local to Atifona who claimed to have seen a flying saucer fall into the ocean. So they apparently had witnessed a flying saucer,

UFO violently explode in the sky, shake buildings up to 15 kilometers away and crash into the nearby waters. Newspapers added that the Brazilian Navy and Air Force intelligence were now interested in the matter of the mysterious deaths of Vianna and Cruz. One paper, the O Cru...Cru...Cru...Cru...Zero, the O Cru...Zero, on September 16th,

is said to have claimed the Navy had intercepted a strange set of messages on June 12th, the day before the Atifona explosion, transmitted by stations using identifications that didn't actually exist. No details of what the Navy heard were reported, just a general implication that they must be connected to the explosion that happened the following day.

The same paper added two final details to the strange mystery. They claimed that the masks had been made in Vianna's workshop, where remnants of the process had been found, along with a book on, quote, scientific spiritualism, which mentioned masks, intense luminosity and accompanying spirits.

The newspaper then claimed Vianna had told his sister a day or two before the June 13th explosion that, quote, he would soon be carrying out an important mission, and that it was a secret she could tell no one. Man, that is just... It's like a, it's like a Suda 51 game. It's like just nonsense.

It really is. It's a lot of like, it seems like paranoid people running into a couple of coincidences that end up leading them to their own death. The police later determined that Gomez, as well as other associates of Vianna and Cruz, had been in campos at the time that Vianna and Cruz were climbing the more, the hill that they ended up dying on,

the Moro de Vintum, and so were not directly involved in the death of the men. So at least his friends and wherever, they were clear of any murdering. They didn't actually kill him. For 11 months, there were no further public reports regarding the mysterious deaths. On an, in August of 1967,

the police apparently said some very confusing things to two different newspapers. On August 19th, the newspaper Ultima Ora announced that the police were trying to find a car. They had the, had the registered, yeah, let me try that sentence one more time. We lost Nick. Oh, you're still there?

Okay, the camera just died. He was offended, and that's fair. I'm butchering this language. It's offending everybody. Let's try that again. On August 19th, the newspaper Ultima Ora announced that the police were trying to find a car. They had the registration number four

that they believed had transported the bodies of Vianna and Cruz from Campos to the Moro de Vintum. So they believe somebody drove them to that hill. If they succeeded in finding the car, then the bodies were to be exhumed for further examination to determine if the two men died of violence and overdose of quote, chemicals, which they were using to make.

Died of violence. Died of violence or, this is my favorite part, an overdose of chemicals which they were using to make extraterrestrial communications or if they had enacted a suicide pact. So in short, the police announcement said that the police had somehow either forgotten what they had determined before

or they simply no longer believed it was the case, which to some is very strange. On August 26th, the Ultima Ora announced that the bodies had indeed been exhumed and organs had been removed for examinations. The delegate of police, Sergio Rodriguez, claimed that, quote, important pieces of evidence were disregarded at the start of the inquiry, end quote.

And that his team was now close to solving the case with expectations that they would have the guilty party in just a few days. On September 3rd, the newspaper Corero da Mana stated that the detectives were planning to investigate spiritualist circles. It was now being asserted that Vianna and Cruz had stopped at an electronic store

before they stopped to buy mineral water and that they likely met their murderer at the electronic store before they climbed the Morro de Vintum. The newspaper also stated that the men had climbed the hill on August 21st, 1966, which makes no sense because that's a day after the bodies had actually been discovered.

So now the reports and the police and they're coming out a year later are completely starting to mess up the timeline and now nobody's really sure that the information coming out from the police can be trusted anymore. So the question obviously is, did the police forget most of the previous investigation,

including the date the bodies were found or were the newspapers trying to get sales by adding some new false details, kind of like before where they added some flair just to sell some more newspapers. We don't really know. We have no idea what the actual case or cause of the misinformation was.

The case next resurfaced in newspapers on June 28th, 1968. According to the Rio de Janeiro newspaper, Oglobo, police were now trying to find a foreign man with blonde hair seen talking to Viana and Cruz from a jeep on the road before the two men climbed the hill. Additionally, hair samples of the two men were specifically tested for signs of poisoning

by arsenic, mercury, barium, or thallium, none of which was found, killing that particular line of investigation. And then no more word on the matter for another eight more months. Where did they meet the guy with the hair? On the road, shortly after they bought their bottle of water, he was hanging out of a jeep

and he was seen talking to them. And somebody just saw them? Yeah, this is just an eyewitness account. So who fucking knows, you know, how much it can, and not only an eyewitness account, an eyewitness account over a year later. So it's just how trustworthy is it? Why would you remember something so insignificant?

That long later. Yeah, that's a little... Around February 23rd, 1969, a number of newspapers returned to the Morro de Vientum Miss Hill mystery with claims that the case had been solved due to the confession of one Hamilton Bazzani, an underworld figure, they called him,

already serving a sentence of over 50 years in a São Paulo prison. According to reports, a female relative of Bazzani had told police the jailbird had admitted to involvement with the Morro de Vientum mystery. So they questioned him. Bazzani stated that he had been asked by three other well-known criminals of the area

to assist in a crime. All four had gone to a spiritualist center in Nitoroi run by a woman they knew. And there, the four men were introduced to Vienna in Cruz. It was signaled to Bazzani by the other three criminals that Vienna and Cruz were the intended targets of the crime. During the séance, the criminals determined that Vienna and Cruz were both away from home

and carrying a lot of cash, mostly in a briefcase with them. After the séance, Bazzani himself drove the whole party, including the woman from the center, to the foot of the Morro de Vientum. Here, Vienna and Cruz were forced out of the car into the thickets of the hill by everyone except Bazzani, who stayed with the car. A half hour later, all but Vienna and Cruz returned

and the criminals were holding the briefcase. They stated they had forced the two men to take poison at gunpoint. The party planned a time for the next day to split the money, but Bazzani gave it a miss on the intuition that they might kill him too. So that's another confession, is that this was all a planned robbery

and the spiritualism was basically just a hoax to rob suckers of people who believed in it. Just getting them super isolated to meet up on a hill somewhere. Getting them far away, using the séance to pull information is like how much money they might have. Is it worth really doing it and then planning out and then just forcing them to take poison out on the hill?

It's kind of a scary, genius plan if you think about it. Like, yeah, if this is true. If this is true. When you're struggling with your mental health, the world can seem pretty heavy, like no one understands what you're feeling or you're not sure how to ask for help. But here's the real truth.

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In one press report, claim that the woman from the spiritualist center was already under arrest, all of which, once again, means a complete rewrite of what was known after the first investigation in 1966. Pizani's story was so strange that a bunch of Brazilian UFO enthusiasts and researchers immediately assumed it was false from the start and had been meant simply to demystify an unsolved case that had too much involvement with the paranormal matters of the Brazilian government's case and so ended all the known public coverage of the strange Moro de Vintembe case

in the Brazilian press with this cover story. That's what UFO believers believe. This is all just a giant government cover-up for what actually happened. Which was what? Like, yeah. Yeah, I know. It's different. It's difficult because a lot of this information is simply kind of brought together from three separate articles

from the British magazine, Flying Saucer Review, published in 1967, 68, and 71. And at some point in time, the original newspaper sources that need to be checked to be sure what was sent to and translated by the FSR. Basically, it's all through translations of translations and what we have. And this is just kind of the story that's able to be pieced together. As far as it's been able to be researched, the claims in the account of a second body found with a lead mask in 1962, as well as the whole Atafina UFO incident, the giant explosion,

on June 13, 1966, do not appear to have ever been researched and confirmed separately from the initial reports that were sent to the FSR. Atafina incident, especially with an explosion supposedly felt miles away and witnesses on boats, would have to have been made an appearance in some newspapers and could either verify or completely explode one early strange claim attached to this whole mystery. But alas, we have nothing in no way to verify it. Which to me, lends credence to the fact that probably didn't happen, as an explosion with that much energy and ramifications,

I feel like would have been reported and we would be able to find an article somewhere. That's such an internet thing too. You go online and you go on a Reddit and you read some crazy story and it's like 14 people were killed and a building was burned to the ground. And then you're like, this sounds so real, this sounds so believable. And you just Google one thing that's like, there is no record of any of these murders or this building ever existing. And you're just like, okay.

Yeah, it's like, thanks for telling me all that now. I just feel like my hopes are crushed. Yeah, really. Well, there's one little bit more to the story and it has to do with a well-known UFO researcher by the name of Jacques Vallée. Does anybody here know who Jacques Vallée is? Jacques Vallée. Vallée, so I'm going to guess that's a no and I'm the only one.

All right, don't matter. I'm not going to give you a TLDR of him now. He's just a very prominent figure in the UFO research world who tries to think of things scientifically and not necessarily fantastically. Regardless, in 1990, Jacques Vallée, who was a well-known author and spokesman of UFO topics even at that time, was releasing his eighth book on the subject titled Confrontation, A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact. Okay, yeah, I think I recognize this guy's face.

Okay, yeah, I would expect Alex to at least somewhat know who he is. Vallée started this book with the Morrow de Vintum case, explaining how he investigated it personally in April of 1980. He and his wife flew to Brazil and visited the hill. Along with his wife, Vallée climbed the hill with a local French teacher who volunteered to translate, a journalist, a photographer, and a detective who handled unsolved cases. Vallée was also accompanied by the first adult who had seen the bodies that August day in 1966 when a group of boys came running to the house.

Quote, he had accompanied them to the police station at the foot of the hill where they described their grisly fine to the officer in charge. Which would be a very important new witness to interview except for one strange problem, Vallée never tells us this new witness's name. Vallée wrote that his unnamed tour guide led him to a spot on the hill where the ground was almost bare even though it was surrounded by tall, leafy bushes. In fact, Vallée mentions the spot was bare of vegetation twice in the book implying that to him this might be significant.

As Vallée told the story, the bodies had first been found by an 18 year old quote boy who was searching for his kite with his friends. They alerted the unnamed man who was serving as Vallée's guide because he lived nearby. The unnamed man stated that the bodies did not stink when found and that predators and vultures had not touched them. Another separate conflicting interview about how the bodies were because again, interviews before were being told that it was decomposing smelly and that's what drew them over there.

I thought, all right, maybe you were just being specific about toxicology reports. I thought you said they didn't have time to examine the bodies. No, what I said was that they did an autopsy on the bodies. What we don't know is if they actually did a toxicology test on the bodies because that's conflicting. All right. Yeah. Vallée then reported that the skin of the two bodies when found were pink and showed signs

of possible burns, but then asserted that decomposition quote had progressed to the point where such a finding was not significant, which doesn't seem to make too much sense. Clear evidence of burns that was still visible when the bodies were found would be important evidence. Decomposition would not change the fact if the burns were that obvious. Vallée also states that the lead masks and notes were found lying by the bodies along with some items that were never mentioned before, quote, crushed piece of a luminized blue and white paper, some cellophane soaked in a chemical substance, and a handkerchief

with the initials AMS. He does not mention any of these new items in the book again after this, though. And again, there's no way to verify that that's true because what the police said were found was just the simple things that we talked about earlier. Yeah. Vallée's description of the events around the deaths is equally odd. After briefly recapping who the two men were during which he distinctly describes Vienna and Cruz as electronics technicians, a detail that is now very common in new reporting,

he states how the men were traveling to Sao Paulo, stopped in Niteroi, bought raincoats in mineral water, walked up the hill, and were last seen at 5 p.m. on the hill. But he doesn't mention who saw the men on the hill. By doing so, Vallée skips all of the questions that were posted and talked about prior and regarding the strange behavior of the boy who said he saw them multiple times over multiple days. So, Vallée's report in the end provides a bunch of contradictory information and supposedly reveals new physical evidence that was at the site that was never brought up by the police or the government when it was reported on initially.

Who you can trust and who you can't is really kind of up to you, but I lean on the side of what evidence was presented by the police. Beyond that, we truly don't know much more about what happened here at this particular moment. What we do know is that spiritualist cults were also very common back then, and still might even be according to some reports. Oh yeah. There's like four documentaries a year about one. Just go on Netflix, look at the documentary section.

It's like half of them are about fucking drugs. Shut your eyes and just click around, you'll find one. Yeah, pretty much. So, the idea is like they very likely belong to one. And so, one of two things in my mind happened. Either the spiritualist cult ended up being they thought they were going to take pills and see aliens and be a part of this amazing experience. Or B, they really did go to somebody, the criminal like hideaway, had a seance and essentially got

you know, murdered and robbed for being you know, not in the right place at the right time and just being part of a giant scam. Which of those is true? Which of, what is the reality of this particular mystery? I can only give you a big shrug because we won't know. No, we're going to solve it today. Today, we're going to solve it. Solve this mystery.

Now, the answer lies in a dilapidated house somewhere. It all goes back to whatever car they were buying. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Raparaz. Get back to the math of the exchange rate. Let's go. That's it. That's the mystery. Yeah.

I mean, at the very least, right? We got to believe that they believed they were doing something interesting. They were like, they had some sort of mission that they were on together that was other than what they told people they were doing. It was that the one fact that is a fact is they were lying to their loved ones about what they were doing that over the course of whatever, like two days or whatever. And it seemed like they were they were buying into some sort of pill lead mask wearing situation.

The question is whether or not that actually had to do with their death or not, because if the crime story is to be believed, then the notes that were found with them and the lead mask that were found with them don't really have anything to do with them being scammed and robbed. Yeah. It's really elaborate. I don't know. Well, maybe they didn't know until they got fucking murdered.

Do you know what I mean? Like they might have. It's true. It's true. Like, I don't know. Maybe, yeah, it could it could have been someone had some dirt on both of them. And I was like, you're going to get this amount of money and take a bus to this location and then give it to me or else.

Yeah. Like I like your family is, I mean, this secret about, I don't know. I'm going to say these guys seem pretty gullible based on the history of their like, we're trying to contact Mars, right? And blowing stuff up in like, there's evidence apparently that they like, we're in a thing doing stuff. So you have to imagine if someone was like, something's happening and I need your help, bring me three million bucks and we can make this.

I can get you to the moon. Whatever. At least tell our families pretend you're buying a car. Yeah. And then like, yeah, and then they just got robbed. Like I can see that too. Or the aliens needed some cash because they were low and they like needed gas. Came down and their big old tic-tac and they're like guess what, dude?

Like we need gas money. So get on that hill. Yeah. We need a lot of anything for you. Snorblacks. And he's like, thanks, friends. And he's like, peace out. Mike, is there info on how close they were as friends?

Like. No, I mean, I, I, nothing that I could find that like really talked about the two, the two's relationship with each other. I can only imagine they must have been at least decent friends. Other than they got to like hygienes. Yeah, they were both. I don't even know where they worked or if they were like independent technicians that were like on call kind of like or contractors.

Yeah. No idea that never really is part of a lot of the information. I feel like that would, that would close a lot of doors. If we knew how connected we were before this happened. Yeah, it's a fascinating, really is a fascinating case that did remind me of Tamam should at the end. And it was just a lady that was the body that was found. The man at the beach that was found.

Down in the identity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's another one of those, which is a lady that no one could identify that was dead on a beach. Yep. Similar, similar crazy shit. It happens a lot, man. We got to get a task force together.

Like stop leaving, you know, Jane Doe's and John Doe's dead places. I mean, that's got to exist. Yeah. That's a good. Well, that's a good procedural TV show. Just just a just one police force that's their entire thing is like, well, we got another random body on a beach somewhere and no one knows anything about it.

Let's go. Tamam should. You could do a lot of series. Yeah, just yeah. I hate you guys so much for listening yet. No, because it never ends, man. It never ends. We're going to go off and do a mini.

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They're a clever bunch, them. They are a clever bunch. So head over to patreon.com slash Chaluminautipod. We're going to be doing a mini-sode over there right now. If you haven't yet, please buy tickets for our live show. There's not that many seats left. It's a couple of months away. Go to chaluminautipod.com and go buy your tickets for that.

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That t-shirt is super cool. And we've got a really neat Halloween t-shirt coming up for October after that, which I can't spoil, but I want to. Other than that, that's it for us. Really cool idea. Yeah, I love it, man. It's going to be sick. That's it for us.

We will see you guys next week. And for all our patrons, we'll see you in just a few minutes. Goodbye. Bye. Later. Bye. Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night, enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside.

And after a few moments, I hear my wife go, Holy shit, get out of here. So I quickly dash back outside. She's looking up at the sky in the fall. I look up too, and there's a perfect line of dozen lights traveling across the sky. What's up, everybody? I'm Mike Wilson with Any Hour Services, and if you've been thinking about replacing your old water heater,

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