Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 128 - The Stanley Kubrick Moon Landing Conspiracy

Episode Date: November 24, 2021

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I, as always, am one of your hosts, Mike Martin joined by the Marty and Doc Brown of LA, Jesse and Alex, right? Oh, you gotta go back in time. Jesse, man, it's your kids. I got the most vocal fry of anyone. How does he have him? How does he sound like that? He's like 20 years old in that movie. He's like a talent.

He's like somebody shrink him 25%. I don't understand. It was 20 in that film. That makes sense. I don't know how old he was. I don't know how old he was. I have no idea. Yeah, I don't either, actually.

I've only ever seen the first one. I haven't seen the next two. I keep forgetting you don't live in the rest of the world with us. I'm not surprised. I've seen the first one, though. That's the one to see. That's the cultural touchstone one. That's the one I want to go see.

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Please sponsor us. Anyway, continue. Oh my God, I would love that. Anyway, I would love some free underwear. Please help me. And he's helped me a little story time for you guys. So the other day I was watching a movie called Yotaroski's Dune to documentary about this sort of like wizardy old avant garde director guy.

He put together this like he made like insane art films that were like visually stunning, unbelievable. He had like an insane reputation. People were like, I want to work with this guy. But he ended up like traveling around like the fellowship of the ring and putting together like an art fellowship and a pitch for this like huge, the biggest like a ground break in the 60s, like the ground break early 70s biggest movie ever, a 12 hour like Epic of Dune, the movie Dune.

And even though like immediately when he pitched it to everybody, like everybody was just like, that's insane. No way. The ever that he put into compiling that jumpstarted an entire generation of sci-fi movie makers in the same way that Dune inspired like every sci-fi thing. Like he like everything from alien to Star Wars is now it's like rooted directly in the production of Yotaroski's Dune. Like literally like Dan O'Bannon and HR Giger got together to make Yotaroski's

Dune and then they made alien like straight up. And and this guy, it wasn't even actually Dune. It was actually like a movie that was kind of based on Dune that had its own sort of ending that it was supposed to be like a religious experience and like people kind of offended that he would do that. But he was like, you know, he said it much more indelically than I'm saying it. But he said it's something like you have to absolutely ruin somebody's baby to make it your own baby.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think I know. I feel like I've heard that quote or like something akin to that quote in the past where it's like, yeah, you're always basically the idea is you're always going to make an inferior version of what you're trying to copy if you're just trying to copy it verbatim.

That sounds like a Kubrick thing. And you know, I'm so glad that you said that because there is one space movie that was not inspired by Yotaroski's Dune. And that is because even though it looks like it's from that time period, it is not. And it still might be the best of all of them. And instead of it being cast off from Yotaroski, it is indeed the brainchild of one very, very dedicated and detail oriented man. That's the movie 2001, A Space Odyssey by Stanley Kubrick, the on tour director.

And I ended up watching this the other day because it had been a couple of years since I had seen it. And I was like, hype off the like Dune documentary. I watched it on my like big wall projector thing in my living room, like two a.m. 2001 you're talking about. Yeah. I watched it by myself. It was 2 a.m. It was beautiful.

It's like why I made the episode today. Pause. Have you seen this movie, Mathis? 2001, A Space Odyssey? I have not. Dude, what is happening? Sorry. This is my learning that there are movies that exist that are perfect for you.

That you have never seen is blowing my mind. Have you seen X-Files? Had a couple episodes. Have you seen X-Files of the movie? No. I've seen. Have you seen Mystery Science Theater 3000, the movie? Oh, wait.

Wait, the movie? The movie that came on theaters. Yeah. No. The show, though? He's all over it. The moment it comes on to screen near you, he's out. I guess it is like 20 years old.

So, you know, whatever. But yeah, it's beautiful. And I was going to say, Mathis, if you have not seen this movie. We're having. Good movie. I've seen bits of it. I've watched Red Letter Media's breakdown of it. I've never seen the movie.

Yeah. Really good looking movie, but it's not. It's like a wild movie. It's like a trippy movie beyond being just like a pretty movie. It's very amazing. And Kubrick wrote this movie with a dude who probably falls into a lot of our listeners Venn diagrams. You may have heard of this guy's name is Arthur C. Clark.

He was a science fiction master writer and futurist and he predicted a lot of things. We ended up inventing later like GPS smartphones and space stations and satellites and all kinds of stuff like that. And so when Kubrick goes to shoot this story that he wrote with this guy, we already know he's like the most meticulous filmmaker. He has like more takes. He wants to get like exact things on film and that extended also to his special effects in this movie, which were like absolutely rigorously executed special effects, created

space visuals for that movie that honestly still like in some cases look photo real like to us, like even when compared to like actual NASA and history book images. Even though the movie 2001 Space Odyssey, I thought this movie was from the 70s. It actually came out one year before the actual real life Neil Armstrong moon landing on July 20th, 1969. Oh, or was there a real Neil Armstrong moon landing on July 20th, 1969. Don't say that. But a Neil, he'll knock your face off because my friends, you hear that.

Hang on. Do you hear that? What's that? It's the distant rallying cry of every weird racist out there who believes that nobody landed on the moon as well. Yeah, you're right. There are some people out there who might smugly remind you that within a decade, everyone who has ever been to the moon will probably be dead.

In fact, there are only four men, I think, or less now, maybe that are still alive who have been to the moon. And after that, there will be no one who has ever been to the moon. And from there, there is only a hop skip and a jump from us ever being able to prove it happened at all. And in an article from the Paris Review, which was my main source for this episode, a guy called Rich Cohen said something that I think was pretty good. If you wouldn't mind reading it for me, Jesse, I'm going to drop it into the Twitter chat

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Which is kind of what it would be. Question stuff that happened in the 40s. Yeah, exactly. Lots of things that happened in the 40s. A lot of things that definitely happened in the 40s. Yeah, definitely 100% happened in the 40s. Literally, no question about it. They fucking happened.

In that same article, the author goes on to say that he's actually met three people who've allegedly been up there. And that the one thing he noticed between them is that they were all pretty whacked out, actually, in one way or the other, like how there's Edgar Mitchell, who went up in 71. I forget which Apollo he was in. He talked about the warm alien consciousness that enveloped him the entire time that he was in space. That's also known as disassociation.

Yeah, I do have to wonder about, yeah, like, I mean, if you see if it's real, and I'm going to believe it is. Yeah. The idea of seeing the world and how Mike was like, here's how, here's all you need to know about that warm embrace or whatever it is. Go on YouTube and Google size of the galaxy or size of the universe and watch those videos where it just keeps expanding out. And by the end of it, you're like, we're nothing.

I am stardust. Dude, chuck on your fucking oculus, bro. Get your fucking mind blown. No, it's not. I've often and genuinely thought about just the idea of what it must have been like to step on the moon, which is just a rock in space being flung around our planet. And to see our earth like a like it would be a big moon like a giant like and just that must be your brain mustn't be able to register what's actually like happening.

Like your brain has to have to like disassociate a little bit to accept the insane amazing shit that's happening. Adrenaline like space is deadly. Like your whole body's out of whack. Plus then to return and be thrown immediately back into like all the petty bullshit of earth. I imagine that is a trip for anyone. It's probably like pure trauma.

I have no idea how people ever did this. Buzz Aldrin speaking to that feeling Buzz Aldrin literally punched a dude in the face for asking him if he would swear he'd been to the moon on a Bible. He was just like, go fuck yourself. Of course I've been in the moon. You piece of shit. You're on your Bible to prove it because then you're just feeding into these. I fucking went to the moon.

You bitch. But yeah, I think I think because we don't really consider it worth doing anymore and it's been generations since anybody went up there that the idea just seems a little bit ridiculous to cut you off too. But there's also that fact that like back then especially people probably forget is like we did this not for the betterment of mankind. We were in a cold war. We were in a space race with our enemy to achieve that for America.

It wasn't just the scientific pursuit of knowledge. We were like at kind of like this weird cold war with Russia and we were trying to one up them and beat them and we did it. And then we were done. Yeah. And that's what Star Wars. Yeah. The Star Wars program isn't like they were huge fans of Luke.

They literally like, all right, get ready to blast missiles out of the sky with lasers and shit like that. You know, one of the scariest things that's going on right now in real life is that Russia was like, yeah, we just blew up a satellite. It was easy. Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah.

They were like, yo, it was easy. Get fucked. What's crazy is that satellite explosion than everyone who is in space right now was straight up just like warned just like the movie Gravity. Yes. They were like one bad day away from reenacting that movie. They were like, there is debris heading your way. And I was like, oh my God, that is literally the plot of that movie.

Yeah. Well, weren't they for a while? I don't know if it's still going. Every 90 minutes they would orbit back into the debris field and then they have to go take shelter and wait it out. And then they go out. And I don't know. I don't know if that's still going or not.

But it's scary as hell. Yeah. And speaking of astronauts and things that may or may not be real. You could see how because of that, that some idiotic sort of like self-righteous science denying Americans might decide that it was a hoax just for that reason. But there's also a book from 1976 that is called, We Never Went to the Moon. America's $30 billion swindle that was self-published by a technical writer who at the time worked for at one time actually not even at the time at one time worked for an engine making company

called Rocketdyne, which sounds like it's from Fallout and his name was William Casing. And Casing was absolutely obsessed with the fantasy of man visiting the moon. He was completely romantically obsessed with it. And he was completely wrapped up in the whole USSR, USA space race. He was keeping tabs on it. But also though, from his time at Rocketdyne, which by the way he left in 1963, which was a while before the moon landing. He also felt that achieving this dream was pretty much impossible for anyone on either

side. So in his mind, by publishing this, what was his reasoning for saying it was impossible. We'll get into that. Okay. Because this seems like random Joe Schumschmo. He just he was just saying based on his opinions as a scientist, engineer and technical writer, Rocketdyne made engines, I guess something about that. He decided he was these are the kind of this is the kind of people the go do do your own

research crowd point to. Yeah, exactly. People they point to and like, go do your own research, you're like, no, no, you're supposed to provide me with the research. And then they point to these kinds of people like, oh, yeah, you don't really know anything. Yeah. And so the point is this guy's looking at the news even in real time, yeah, sort of creating these sort of like theories that are like the big theories that still are the main theories

today. So he's he's these things are he's making these observations in real time because he's just decided that it's not true. And so in his mind, he's opening people's eyes to the truth based on a few key pieces of evidence that he outlined and which most people still cite today and which we'll get into right now. And then also give the quote unquote fact based response that moon landing truth or deniers use to deflect criticism and maintain their insidious sigh of moon visitation.

I am so ready to be redpilled. Let's go. I'm just kidding. What's going to happen right now is I'm going to give Mathis the conspiracy theory to read and then give Jesse the evidence used to debunk it. But actually, I wrote it in the form of a little skit for you guys to read with each other. So I'm going to spice it up.

I like it. So I'm going to give you guys this in Twitter and then you guys you guys can just go go go for it. Cold. This is a cold reading. This is a cold read live on tape. I'm waiting for it to pop up. There it is.

OK. I guess as Jesse Mathis. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. We all know the American astronauts planted a flag on the moon because there's crystal clear footage of it that was broadcast worldwide back in 1969.

But now think back on that footage and how the flag looks so big and proud waving in the breeze and ask yourself how can a flag wave in the vacuum of space? Don't you know the moon has no atmosphere? I want to throw up after reading that paragraph because I know the answers to all of that. Continue. Sorry. We're good. Actually, you just got bought by another secret plan by NASA called planning ahead.

The scientists at NASA having not been born yesterday knew the flag would look like shit in zero gravity and actually secretly added a cross beam to the flagpole to keep it as straight and visible as possible for the cameras. And as for the waving you swear everyone saw it doing, that was just our resident face puncher Buzz Aldrin twisting the damn thing as he tried to get it to stand up in the moon dirt. All right. Fine.

But then riddle me this. The moon is a lifeless rock, right? I mean, we know there's some cyber-tronian wreckage up there thanks to 2011's Transformers Dark of the Moon, but that's derelict. And the only other light source up there should be the sun, right? Well then how come there's shadows being cast in all kinds of different directions, right? Like could it be that just could it be that just like Transformers Dark of the Moon, the set for the moon landing was also lit by a Hollywood style lighting crew?

This is weird. Very good actors. Excellent. Top tier. This one's pretty good, or at least it would be if I hadn't watched a Mythbusters on it. I remember that episode. There would be if there really was only one light source on the moon. You said it yourself.

The moon basically has no atmosphere to speak of, so what's going to stop any of the light from earth or sun or lights attached to the astronauts or their gear from casting generally huge shadows all over the place? Not to mention just the uneven topography of the moon itself. Someone did it. Watch the Mythbusters. It's in here. Hey Alex.

Yikes man, I would have said that was was harsh even if I wasn't just reading what Alex wrote. We also wrote this line too. So who knows what I really think anyway doesn't matter. Maybe they just had their lighting situation on lock. It was still shot on a movie set. Want to know how I know? The blast crater from the lander.

You ever see anything land on raw soil before? It's a mess. Dust flying everywhere, huge shapes on the ground, but we get none of that here because all this stuff was really just placed here delicately by the prop department. Don't believe me? There's even footage of a moon rock with a letter C on it that some intern probably scribbled on the wrong side of it with a Sharpie. You're really going to invent a backstory.

You Mathis. Yes. I'm really personally going to invent a backstory about an intern and a Sharpie with zero evidence to back it up. What are you? Jack. What are you? Zach Baggins?

I would never, I would never pretend to be that cruel imposter. What you see as a letter C is absolutely just a post production artifact of the photo scanning process. If you look at the way higher resolution images that small one with the C was cropped from, you see it's not actually even really there. And as for the blast crater, tell you what, with 20% of the Earth's gravity, physics simply feel different than they do down here. You know how you can't put someone in the face very hard while you're underwater.

It's like that. The lander basically touched down with the power of the feather from the beginning of forest gump. It didn't take very much thrust for it to take off again either. Okay, that's physics. All right. I wouldn't understand that. Okay.

Well, then what about stars? There's like tons of stars in space, right? And the only reason we can't see as many there really are at night is from light pollution, right? So how come there's like zero stars in any of the moon pictures? Shouldn't it be like observatory quality up there? I mean, sure, at night time, but at the time of the moon landing, it was morning on the moon and the light from the sun reflecting off the surface of the moon simply washed

out all the lights from the stars, just like it does here every single day on Earth. I mean, honestly, just think about it. First time a human being has ever gone up to another celestial body and put their feet on it and you think they should have done it all at night? That's, you know, that's crazy. What do you think they have? A death wish? And actually, you know what, I'm tired of this.

Let me just knock the rest of these out real quick. Who was filming Neil Armstrong if he was the first man on the moon? The camera attached to the outside of the lander. Okay, Jesse. Geez. Why isn't Neil Armstrong holding a camera in the reflection of Buzz Aldrin's visor? Because it was attached to the front of the space suit. Why didn't they die in the Van Allen belts and crisp alive from radiation?

They learned about it and how fields fluctuated and went at a time when radiation was well with an acceptable levels for two hours of exposure. Why isn't there any physical evidence there is? Not only do we have modern scans that show topography matching exactly what's in the background of the Apollo footage, we have even higher res modern scans that can still see their footprints. But Jesse, those could just be photoshopped. Maybe the government's still covering it up, sure.

But we have scans from China, India, Japan, not to mention moon rock. We have 382 kilograms of moon rocks from the Apollo missions. We gave the rocks to 135 different countries and they all tested it. To death, they matched the rocks the Soviets brought back from their unmanned mission in the 70s. And if you think after all that, that somehow this is still a hoax, then you have to answer me this question. How did they do it and no one ever found out or talked about anything?

Okay, okay, okay. Chill. You know, I'm glad this is a skit because once I finish this line, it's over and we won't even be fighting anymore. But I guess Alex isn't done with me yet and I still have to say, please sign up for our Patreon at patreon.com. It's the best website of all time. It's the best deal of all time and you'll be supporting the best podcast of all time.

All right, now this is it. This is the end of the skit. The end, the end, the end. Back to reality. Right. Now. End scene. End scene.

You did it. Welcome back. Excellent job, everybody. The skit. Well written, well performed. The skit. I hope we see a bunch of $15 patrons at Patreon. It was like watching the decks all over again.

And to answer that last question I made Jesse ask you, William Casing really did have a theory as to how all this shit went down. How it happened. Which is crazy to me because I'm sure you're going to tell it to tell it to us, but it's nuts because you have to then buy into the fact that there's this multiple thousands of person conspiracy and not a single leaker. And yet we can't even run our own personal government without literally everything being leaked to us all the time in some fashion or another, like this, this 40, 50, 60 year

long idea and still has bore no leakers even on their deathbeds. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? They really took care of those guys. Yeah. They blopped them in the back of the head. Yeah. Clinton style.

Well, he says they did. Don't do that. Not like this. We're in the conspiracy hole now. I'm just going to start whipping out conspiracy jokes. Here we go. He said they did build at least some type of real looking rocket structure down at NASA, but that just before takeoff, they all secretly got off the ship, got on a plane, flew out

to the middle of the Nevada desert where the broadcast really was shot. And then allegedly to back this up, there's testimony of people who are out in Vegas who actually testified seeing Neil Armstrong walking through the hotel lobby with hot babes hanging off his arms and Buzz Aldrin fucking around on the slot machines. I want that to be real. I want that to be what actually happened. I want them to be walking out and be like, I'm getting late tonight. No moon for me today, boys.

The funniest thing about it is like the way it's described is like as if it's happening in real time, but they were what they were on the moon for like two hours. You know what I mean? Yeah. They weren't out there long. They weren't there for like days and days and days and days. And so yeah, they were in Vegas and then that apparently only lasted for a little while because then they flew right back out to Hawaii where they were able to sneak back into the

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Man, you know, I so wish this was one of the very few movies I have seen. It would just been so weird to add to the list. Yeah. Well, we can definitely watch it. I don't know if I want to, honestly. Well, here's what it's about. These astronauts are supposed to go to Mars, but they get taken out of the capsule just before takeoff because there is some sort of malfunction with the craft and they're

like, fuck, we have to like still do this or else our reputation is ruined. So you're going to come with us to this desert location and we're going to like do a live stream from a fake desert base to make it seem like we went off without a hitch. And then they were supposed to be snuck back into the capsule for a splashdown. But then in the movie version of the story, something goes wrong while the while the capsule is coming into the atmosphere and it burns up. So the world is watching and the capsule burns are all dead. Interesting.

And so it's a cool little twist. The astronauts are like, oh, no, are we going to be stuck here forever? And they're like something like that. And they come in to kill all the astronauts and the astronauts escape in like a plane and the plane gets shot down in the desert and two of the astronauts get killed. O.J. goes down, but one astronaut who was played by James Brolin and Elliot Gould, who believes him, shows up at the astronauts funeral service and blows the lid off everything. And he's like a hero.

And then they would say the movie director was waiting for that to happen in real life. Well, let me tell you what, it's even we're than that, because this is something I did not know before reading the Paris Review article. There is another conspiracy theory about the first attempt at a manned moon landing, which is the Apollo one mission. And that's the official and obviously most likely story is that the three astronauts that were preparing for this mission, Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Edward White, the second were killed in a fire on the launch pad during a rehearsal test.

But there are some people out there that think that maybe instead they were silenced after deciding to go public with the truth about an earlier hoax attempt. But then that makes me wonder about things like Apollo 13. Yeah. I mean, you can't think too critically about this stuff. Apollo Apollo 13 is crazy because that was like truly an adventure story in real life. But it's also a failure of NASA. And if we're in a time period where we're like all positive news for fake NASA, why on earth would they be like, yo, we might watch people die in space right now?

Like, why would they like give us like a thriller instead of just like more positive news? Right. It was still the Cold War. It wasn't like, you know, it doesn't make us look great to have Tom Hanks getting stuck in a lunar lander falling through the atmosphere. All this still ignores the fact that we sent moon rocks to 135 other countries and not a single one ever came forward and was like, this is just rocks from Earth, bro. Unless billions, bro. Unless the only parts. Fist is closed more tightly around us.

It's such a big, giant hunk of jizz to swallow and be like, I believe it. Well, I mean, dude, have you seen what's been going on today? Do you know what today is? Oh God, what's what? Today is November 22nd, right? Yeah, familiar. Familiar 11, 22, 63, you know this date, the date of the Kennedy assassination. Yes. Oh God, what?

Okay. So that's like a spin off of the QAnon cult that's in Dallas. That's like, oh, these are the people that think they're waiting for is for JFK junior to show up. No, okay. So they're going to be like, yes, no, it is, but it's getting worse and worse. I was just watching a like a vice thing about this where like or reading it where like their lives are falling apart. These people in these cults, it's like a profile of one family where the wife just like

fell down this rabbit hole. She's out there. She's like JFK juniors coming back. They keep moving the goalposts. Now it's JFK and JFK junior are coming back. JFK junior, wouldn't he be like 112 years old if he was alive? I don't know, but he's JFK junior. No, no, JFK.

Yeah, JFK. JFK junior. No, he died in the nine crash early 2000s. I know he died. I'm saying, but if he was still alive, I don't know 60 maybe. But JFK, JFK. Yeah, he'd be about 60. JFK senior would be scary old, but he I think he's 113 or something.

That's what I was thinking because they because they like you said, they're now expecting him to show up too. And I'm like, yeah. And so now they're like talking about like the only way to like ascend to the next level of consciousness is to like die. And apparently that's like the time when the government starts to get involved directly is when they start just and then he tweeted something out about like, I'm headed to Waco, like to the fucking like Waco spot, the fucking where the shit went down

to Waco. Like it's it's getting wild. It's getting wild over there. Don't believe in crazy shit. But that's what they ask you to school that, you know, like this this thing about these three guys, these three like good, honest, hardworking astronauts that died in a terrible tragic accident, right, to believe that in spite of all this evidence against it being just exactly what everybody says it is, right?

You have to then swallow a pill just because you like and are obsessed with this one theory that you genuinely have passion for. You have to then accept these other theories about things that you don't really care about that are like way dumber, crazier things. But that, you know, don't necessarily help justify it. Yeah, exactly. They're not real. They're damaging things to believe.

And the more you have to stick to your guns, that's how you become a fanatic of something. You know what I mean? That's how you get deeper in the hole slowly over time. And why so many people for those for because when we do things like this, we get we get a few people who don't understand how like Atlantis, the belief in Atlantis, for instance, can lead to like racism and racist beliefs. That's how like Alex perfectly explained it. You believe in this one thing.

You think it's cool. That's how it starts. You think it's fucking cool. And then as you go deeper and deeper, you have to start believing these weirder things because they're all part of the package and they help explain other things. You didn't really have an opinion of like race politics before that. But now that's getting overwritten. Like your ambivalence towards it is getting overwritten by like some mythology that's

like all this cool shit that you like. But then also you got to believe that there was like a better race. It's not like all. You don't read all at once and then be like, well, I believe in Atlantis. So but I don't believe in this. I'll never believe it. No, it's it's piecemeal over years and years and years to give you a modern version without naming names, zero names will be named.

But we have a friend who, you know, we love Star Wars. We had like a little Star Wars. And we had a friend who like was not happy with the last Jedi. And he would watch videos. This was a show that we used to record and release only in private. This is an amazing example, though, because I know what you're going to say. But he would like go watch other videos where people thought the exact same way about how the last Jedi sucked.

And then more stuff getting what was recommended to him that was in that same vein of like why the last Jedi is bad. But instead of it being like, here's my opinion on film and, you know, the creation of movies, it was like, well, it's because the cast. It's like misogyny towards Kathleen Kennedy. Yeah. The algorithm already is so tweaked in that general direction. All you got to do is keep the thumbnail and the broad like name of the video relatively

the same as any other anti Star Wars like critique video. And then you start sprinkling in little things. Now imagine you're 13 and you start coming across that stuff. And so even it was funny because even he was just like, it's starting to get really racist. I was like, yeah, it does. So it still happens. Yeah. And speaking of ever deepening conspiracy theories and minds slowly deteriorating to the

point of insanity. It wasn't until after 1980 that the big brain theory about the moon landing was born, which wraps us back around to our intro about 2001. And more specifically, it's director Stanley Kubrick and the various ways the moon landing may or may not relate to his 1968 film, 2001, A Space Odyssey and his 1980 film, The Shining. As I said earlier, 2001 was a collaboration between Kubrick and Arthur C. Clark. And because Clark was good at predicting the future and because Kubrick was happy contacting the correct engineers, the correct physicists,

anybody that he needed to to make it look as fucking real and possible and realistic as possible. Think about like how what's his name? Dark Knight guy, Inception guy, how he did to make interstellar look like super scientifically accurate, where he's like using movie technology to model a fucking black hole better in conversations with scientists and experts. Similar situation going on with Kubrick, right? Which makes sense. 50 years later, this movie came out in 68 and it looks better than Star Wars, almost,

in a way. You know what I mean? And it's especially wild because in 68, there are literally zero computer effects. It is physically real objects only mostly done in camera. That's why everything feels so terrestrial and real. So and this is where we step into the spider-verse. If NASA and the U.S. government happen to be looking for extremely realistic footage of men in white suits exploring space, perhaps with the goal of convincing the American public

that this actually happened for political reasons with 2001 fresh in their minds from one year previously, Kubrick would be the first person they might call. And then suppose for one reason or another that Kubrick said, yes, I will make your hoax movie. And they said money is no object. Maybe he could have knocked it out pretty quickly if he had the proper team behind him and all the cutting edge techniques he developed on 2001, a space odyssey. And some people have even speculated that 2001 could have secretly been funded by the government in the first place, which provides motive for Kubrick to make maybe the most classic movie ever

made, Mathis. Ask what the government's like motivation to fund 2001, a space odyssey would be. Yeah, so that he can simultaneously make the film of his dreams with Arthur C. Clark and also have a Hollywood budget to develop the same type of footage and effects. I see. So it's like his reward for accepting government work. It's a trial run for the effects that he's going to use to hoax the moon landing. Sure. That's also his best movie that he could ever make. Sure. The peak of his career. You know, I don't even know if that's the peak of his career, actually, but like that's a that's a that's a critics. That's that's for a critic to decide.

Yeah, that's a hard conversation. But then that's a win win in a way, right? But then imagine as the years go on and people are inspired by this fake story and our culture is changed by a false sense of optimism and exceptionalism that he created by making a movie. Suppose that Kubrick began to feel guilty about what he had done. You know, he can't confess at this point because it would destroy America. But so he's got to make a confessional movie, obviously. Yeah, maybe. Maybe it builds up. Maybe it builds up in the bad feeling. I hate this. It's going to not weigh in him. It's going to make him feel unwell. So finally, in the late 70s, it all

becomes too much. He has to purge it from his con in from his consciousness in the form of the 1980 film, The Shining, starring Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall. This just proves to me conspiracy theories are unimaginative because this exact same formula is applied to close encounters of the third kind aliens and the governments want to like the Wizards of Oz and the dark side. Right. Exactly. Literally. It's the same. It's the same formula. Just cut and paste and you twist some details to fit the certain narrative you want. Okay. But to be fair, Mathis, have you seen The Shining? Could be could be right. Could be right with Moonlanding Hoax imagery. You don't know. It's true. I have seen though. I have seen 30 Seconds to Mars music

video that references The Shining. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's basic. You're pretty. You basically, I mean, that's the cliff notes. The same thing, really. Yeah. That's what I think. The guy's getting a blowjob from a dog man. I'll let Kubrick know and he'll be cool with it. Anyway, the theory goes that he made this weird version of a horror movie, which was actually adapted from Stephen King's popular book version and was nothing like the book as everyone will tell you. It really is a poor adaptation. Stephen King hated it. It's Jeep four by four season. Make your next adventure epic and hurry in now for great deals. Now, well qualified returning FCA less seats get a low mileage lease on the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee

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this theory says that the whole thing was really just this big encrypted confession that he was behind the moon landing footage and that it was driving him nuts and that all the big deviations from the source material that made everybody so mad was actually just him adding in this extra layer of meaning. Does that make sense? I mean, I know what you're trying to say. Yes. But of course, you know me. It wouldn't be a theory without evidence to back it up, of course. So let's get into it. First of all, to back up the theory that Kubrick was deviating from the book for a specific intentional reason. They cite the red Volkswagen that you see wrecked along the side of the highway as Halloran, the other guy with the shining, drives through the snow,

driving along the highway. In the original novel, the Torrance family drives a red Volkswagen exactly like the one that he sees jacked, like just destroyed underneath the truck. But the one that they drive in the movie is the most conspicuous color possible. It is bright yellow. And Stephen King's red version is wrecked on the side of the road. So they're saying something very similar to what we were saying at the top of this. And I cannot believe you naturally segwayed into Kubrick for me with where we were talking about how to make something your own, you have to desecrate the version that came before. And so that's what's going on here is they're saying, oh, okay. So he's saying, you know what, fuck that. That's not what this movie is about. This movie is about

the yellow fucking Volkswagen. So let's look at one of the more obvious changes between the book and the film in the book really quickly before you jump in and explain how this relates to the moon. This is something that's done all the time in the most recent version, even though I can't say like definitely go watch this. I just started watching the cowboy bebop remake on Netflix. Yeah. And in the first like 10 minutes, the opening scene takes place at Watanabe's casino. No, dude. And so it's like, oh, already mash in the movie into the, into the same plot as the first episode. Yeah. So they're, I mean, like they're already just like, yeah, we're going to change everything about what you know, but at the same time, it's going to be the same thing. That's,

they do that all the time. Welcome to Hollywood. Unsolicited opinion about the cowboy bebop remake after seeing only the pilot. It is a great serialized cable television show that is themed after the anime cowboy bebop. I mean, it's not bad, but it's not like it has nothing, it has nothing to do with cowboy bebop. Yeah. It's like, all right. I've watched, yeah, I'm four episodes in. I'm like, if you like it, turn it off and watch cowboy bebop. Okay. Yeah. So let's look at one of the more obvious changes between the book and the film. You don't have to turn it off. I'm not trying to be a hater. I'm going to, I'm going to watch the rest of it. Just go watch it. It's late hater. Don't chill for big MOBA, for big MOBA. Okay. I will chill for big

Netflix if they want to have a chilluminati show. Hey, Netflix. Did I say chill? I miss chill. Buzzfeed's unsolved or whatever. Just stop to doing episodes at the perfect time to feel avoid in the market. It's all the same. We do weirder shit than them. Yep. Okay. In the book, the evil haunted epicenter of evil in the hotel is room number 217. Stanley Kubrick said that he changed it to room 237 in the movie because the hotel that he filmed the intro at is a real hotel and they have a room 217 that they didn't want to be like ruined forever by being like the notorious evil hotel room in the shining. Obviously, this is a pre-internet age thing, because, you know, today people will be lining their asses up to go stay in the fucking room

from the shining. But even weirder than that, according to the movie room 237, which is literally about this exact thing, that's where I've seen that dumb ass. I've seen that. That's why I know this. Thank you. That's where it is. According to that, they looked into that and the hotel room does not. Like they also have a room like the story doesn't check out. The story doesn't check out like they don't have a room 217 or something like that. However, coincidentally, the moon just so happens to be 237,000 miles from the earth, roughly. Just kidding. I'm saying it was not a coincidence that that is the case. Do you get it? Just kidding. It was on purpose.

That does not convince you on its own. Consider the Overlook Hotel, the hotel from the shining, as America, a hotel in decline, built on the graves of indigenous tribes, filled with kitschy American imagery and paintings of the Old West. And imagine the winter snow is the mounting pressure of the Cold War and the pressure America was feeling at the time to outperform the Soviet Union and the space race. Imagine if you will. We got all of this from a number change. Not just a number change. Yeah, that sort of is kind of close to the distance to the moon, because the distance to the moon is actually closer to 239,000. That's updated information. Kubrick would have been operating under the assumption that it was 237,000 miles away. Okay, even under that assumption,

then why are we suddenly taking the entire building in the time of a year that we're in like applying deeper conspiracy meaning to it? I know that you haven't seen the movie, but I'm hoping that Jesse has seen the movie. Oh, yeah, of course. And you'll remember that one of the most horrific moments in the movie when she finds out that Jack Torrance has finally lost his mind is when she finds that the book that he has been working on the entire time that they have been caretaking this old empty hotel isn't a book, but is just the repeat a repeated phrase. Do you remember what that phrase is, Jesse? I'll work. Yeah. And no play. Make Mathis a crazy psychopath killer. That's right. Let me ask you this. What if the L's in all,

if you look at those as lowercase L's, what if they're really numerical ones as in A11 work, as in it's Apollo 11 work, which makes Mathis a crazy person? And what if the two famous twin ghost girls at the end of the hallway? I'm sure even you, Mathis, have seen this imagery of the kids. Of course. These twins are not in the book either. What if they represent the fact that the Gemini mission was also a fake mission because the twins are twins and Gemini. I looked up and seen because it's a twin. Yeah. Yeah. The two L's are lowercase because all is at the start of a sentence and as A is capitalized and he has a sentence in all caps and the L's are in caps. I call that a convenient truth. I call that a convenient truth, Mathis.

This would be understood. Thank you. If someone looked at the poster of the Dark Knight and the Joker's laughs, how the ha ha ha ha was in different capitalizations. Yeah. If someone looked at that was like, well, it's obviously a cipher. That's the same level of life. I realized I'm losing you here. Okay. No, no, no, you're not, though. I understand you don't believe this. Let me reel you back in real quick. The third A is lowercase. Yeah. I just want to put this out real quick to our listeners who are incredibly talented. We've had great amazing bean boy, like histories generated. Can somebody please take the movie Jupiter Ascending and create this insane conspiracy? I've seen folks that. Yeah. Right. It's a giant message about how there's

actual alien life on Jupiter. Can you just do that for me? What do you think like intense? How do they fit in there? I want, I don't, you know, I could sit here and we interpret your dreams. You interpret our conspiracy theory. I just want to thank you. I'll look on Reddit for it in the time and the days coming. Continue, Alex. Let me reel you guys right all the way back into my side. I'm ready, dude. I'm ready. What if I told you that in this movie, there is a scene where Danny Torrance is sitting on the ground wearing a sweater that literally has a picture of the Apollo 11 rocket on it that says Apollo 11 on the sweater written in text on the sweater. And when he gets up off the floor, it's like the rocket is launching and then he walks away

and the rocket flies away until he stops at the end of the hall at room 237. Anyway, folks, that is the theory. There's a documentary about a bunch of different deep cut theories about the shining. That's the room 237 movie. Shout out to that movie, which I watched to help write this episode. A lot of people think this documentary quote isn't very convincing. Instead, it's also like, let's do everything. Not just one. Let's talk about every theory. That's a lot. I would say instead that those people have convinced me that they didn't understand that that documentary is about the nature of conspiracy theories. But anyway, yeah, yeah. Moon landing was fake. Shout out to the article how Stanley Kubrick staged the moon landing by Rich Cohen at the Paris Review.

The article, the wildest moon landing conspiracy theories debunked by Becky little at history.com and the article, the craziest theories on the shining in room 237 by Jean Tren. Wait, is this the episode? That's the episode. We're done. We're done. We're out. It's almost we're almost been doing this for an hour already, dude. First off, that was a fast hour. But secondly, right, what? We started with Dune. I thought we were going to talk about a 14 hour version of Dune. I was ready. I was like, it's conspiracy admittance. It's called thematic resonance, Jesse. The theme of Jodorowsky's Dune is that you have to desecrate what's come before to make it your own. And that's what he does in the shining. I try to not draw attention to these things because

I'm an elegant journalist who crafts his stories to emerge as you think about them later. Yeah. But like, are we going to ever talk about Dune? No. We'll talk about Dune. I will talk about that house that's very old someday. One day. One day. And we will. One day. And on that day, Dune will be green and the water will rise and Muadib will lead us into the future. That's not how that works. That's how any of this works. You should look up the end of Jodorowsky's Dune. It's fucking crazy. He talks about it like watching the movie was going to make you like hallucinate, like you're on acid, like you gotta watch it. If you take anything away from this, watch some Stanley Kubrick movies and

watch the movie Jodorowsky's Dune, please. And the only thing I know about that movie is I once read an article when it used the quote, I am drugs to describe the 14 hour Dune. I was like, whoa. That is absolute. He had Salvador Dali cast as the as the emperor of the universe. He had Orson Wells as the Harkonnen Baron. And he got him on set by promising him to bring as part of the film's budget his favorite restaurant chef on to set. And that's how we got him to say yes to a movie. Dude, go watch Jodorowsky's Dune. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy. The storyboard artist for the fucking movie was Mobius, the like greatest cartoonist ever to live. That's insane. Like the like a dream team for this fucking movie that

never came to be. It's going to make you into a bohemian artist in 90 minutes. You got to go watch this movie. And if anything, take away from this episode how easy it is to slip into those rabbit holes that lead to dangerous and dark places on the internet. Even when you're in your 30s and looking at Star Wars films, videos, you can still slip down that path that even if you listen to everything Alex said and was like about the about Kubrick's film and be like, no, but that all is really weird. You then still have to believe 135 other countries are in on it and are like protecting America, America, USA, the United States from itself. Also have to buy that. Also shout outs to Snopes. There was a video clip that was going around a couple years ago that was like

new unearthed footage of, you know, more moon landing garbage admitting to doing it. And it's fake. It's an actor. It's like some guy who like made a hoax and it went. The other thing we're in the we're in the age of fucking deepfakes. That shit is only going to get worse as we keep moving forward because people can make anything they want, say anything they want to fit their personal perspectives, keep an eye out for that. Let me ask a question just to the audience out there. Years ago, I took a quiz for a college that was like, hey, we want to ask you about would you ever have sex with a robot? And the rabbit hole. I went down with that quiz. If they want an episode about what that was like, let us know. Let us know on the Reddit. I have got like it.

I'm not sure how I can make a whole episode out of it, but it was a wild trip. Y'all. It'd be like a special mini. So that's exclusively just your, your story. I don't do that. I would. All I know is that it dealt with this. There was a certain point where it was like, what if that robot had the face of a celebrity? And then it just got worse from there. And I was like, wait a minute, this is getting weird. Yeah. So if you ever want to go down that rabbit hole with me, that's like when I watched that show Brainiac or whatever it was called, where they pass all the basketballs around and then they at the afterwards they're like, but did you see the dancing bear? And you're like, what? And there is a dancing bear. Yeah.

Insanity. Alex, thank you for that. That was a great conversational episode, I think about broader conspiracy too. And in general, and like more modern ways that it's still very problematic. I didn't expect you guys to have such passionate and well-worded thoughts about everything. Yeah. Well, from time to time. Like I love, like I am your big, I love conspiracy. I love alien, but I like the fun side of it. Like that's why I'm always very careful when we tackle very like delicate things to just try to avoid or at least call out the very problematic aspects of those conspiracies, because they are can be really fun. And there might even be like, I'm still think aliens might be real, but like you can't buy into like the ancient aliens and

all this other shit that just is so clearly not true. And it goes for all things. It goes for space and moon landing and government conspiracies, because you have to buy into the idea that like an incalculable amount of people are able to keep their mouths shut and all of a sudden, it's just nonsense. It's not. Yeah. It's funny. I think a lot of people get the sort of dynamic. Everybody talks about the dynamic of Chaluminati all the time. And I think they, I think it's one of the best parts about the show. I think they get it wrong about describing what it is because everybody says, Oh, like, Mathis is full believer. Alex is 50 50 and Jesse is like full skeptic. Right. It's a good package sales pitch. Yeah. But I would say that I am

just more interested in the story without caring whether it's real or not. It's not that I believe in half of the conspiracy theories that Jesse has or something like that. It's just that it's just that I like to tell you what the stories are because they're done. Like, I mean, come on, this is fucking entertaining, right? Like, oh, like that's to me, that's it. And the fact that I can tell you this story and also be like, are you stupid? Please believe science. Like, come on. Yeah, you can still believe in aliens and believe in science. It's possible to do both. You know who's probably pretty good at science? Aliens. Yeah, probably amazing. It's right. Exactly. All right, we got to go do a mini soda now for all our patrons. Please,

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