Chilluminati Podcast - Episode 148 - The Bermuda Triangle ft. Sinvicta

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

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That's I think that's a bit more appropriate before, but before I let you allow it before I can let you say anything, I have to continue and also special guest host today, synvicta of twitch.tv slash synvicta youtube.com slash synvicta and twitter.com slash synvicta. What's up, man? Hey, what's up? I'm glad to be here with so many extensive titles. Thank you, Matt. This appreciate it. Of course, I got to lavish them upon my friend as you are truly the honored guest of this episode.

That's great to be here. I'm looking forward to today's episode. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun. But before that, hey, Holmes and Watson, doesn't that fit like a little better? It's good. I'm not going to get into the description to discussion of which one of us is Holmes and which one of us is Watson. I would like to. Well, wait, because I have a joke that I want to say first, ready?

Yes. Holmes and Watson, more like Dietz and Watson. Is that a reference to something I haven't seen? Jesse, your response? Cricket, cricket. Somebody's going to lose their mind. Don't worry about it. That's for you guys at home.

That don't worry about these guys. These guys are too healthy. They're they're healthy eaters. Oh, it's food. Okay, anyway, with hot takes like that, you're clearly the Holmes. I'm the Holmes. Yeah. Yeah, you're the Holmes.

At least I'm at least I'm popular. At least I'm at least I'm well liked. You can have that. You I'll let you have that. People can go tour your fake home in the UK. It helps me forget about my problems. You had Robert Downey Jr. portray you a couple of times.

So that's that's true. That's true. Yeah, congratulations. Make that again. I'm being Dr. Watson. You know what? I'm all right. I'm always being a medical doctor who just like deals with you.

Yeah. I'm all right with that. Dr. Watson, more like dates in Watson. Oh, cricket cricket. Yeah, cricket. Patreon.com slash to one of the website is out there on the internet. You can go there. You can support us.

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are big or certain things that you're out on? Where are you at? Well, again, thanks for having me here. First off, I'm super excited to be doing this episode. And as far as the question at hand, I'm definitely more of a skeptic than anything. I've been around the circles here and there over the years, people who like believe in like all the witchcraft and then believe in ghosts and all that stuff. And I'm like, all right, if you if you challenged me to go sit down in some

place that you think is haunted, I will stay there for 24 hours and not have a problem. Just like Jesse, Jesse, you must be listening to the show because that is like word for word with Jesse. Oh, really? He's done many times. Let's make it happen. Dude, I'm down. Let's let's freaking do it.

So on the Jesse to map the scale, you're Jesse, not even anywhere else. You just on the left. I mean, I'm not a I wouldn't say that I don't entertain the belief of some things. But at the end of the day, I'm just like, if you if you said, all right, I'm going to give you a hundred dollars to give you my honest input. Do you believe in ghosts or or, you know, telekinetic powers? That's one thing I'm going to say. No, can I have my hundred dollars?

Thank you. But do you at least invoke the Mulder clause? Like, do you want to believe? I want to believe, yes. I will I will go that far to say that I would love to believe in something like that. It's just that my mind will not allow me to entertain such thoughts when there's not a whole lot to really go on. The burden of any rational minded man, you know, I guess that if that's my

if that's my title, I go here from without and then, you know, I'm willing to willing to own it by a codeos. Today, Jesse, you have a brother to lean on. You know, I always knew that. Like, you know, the minute you said something was going to be on, I was like, great, easy for me. You know, I'll just argue anything. I'll just microdose some shrooms and just like go full math is.

Yeah, I need to balance it out. Please. Nobody left in the middle. Jesse and I have the same beard color as well. So we are really brothers. Yeah, we're good. Yeah. Watch one episode of Land of the Lost, Batman Forever, the movie. And then I'll be Land of the Lost. Land of the Lost is great.

Amazing. Land of the Lost is amazing. Well, the reason, actually, for having Synvicta here as well is a topic that people have really wanted us to cover for literally basically since the inception of this podcast. It's a very popular topic and I'm surprised we haven't covered it yet. And Synvicta is a native of the region. We will be covering today the Bermuda Triangle.

Finally, finally, before we dive. Yeah, before we dive into anything, just a list, a few of the sources I used. Researching the Bermuda Triangle is kind of like researching aliens, I realized. It's just scatter shot information, many of which contradict each other. I have two separate potential origin dates for the name Bermuda Triangle to start. But thank you to the to history.com. Obviously, that was a huge resource for me. The book, the Bermuda Triangle, Mystery Solved, the 1970 by five book

by Lawrence David Kush. So if you want to read it, he's kind of a guy who really breaks it down scientifically and we'll just say he's not a believer in anything of the mystical that happens there and a bunch of other frickin websites that I ended up using to kind of piece this thing together. I imagine the three of you are at least very familiar. We have to be very familiar with the Bermuda Triangle, right? Like there's no way you know, either all three of you just don't know what this is.

Very familiar, like case for case, no, but extremely case for case. But the idea and what what the mysticism is in the like. Yeah, yeah, like it's like some ex file shit. It's like the Twilight Zone. It's like Langoliers, I don't know, like something's happening. Things are disappearing. There's like a weird 1960s electronic organ sound that you just hear in the general vicinity of the true.

I tell you, you know, you're in the Bermuda Triangle. That's when that noise travels through the airwaves. They don't have signs out there to say, hey, you're here now. It's the adolescent for the pipe organs and the angels course and all that stuff. Yeah. Right. Right. Looking for like an intermentional door opening in the sky. Yeah, you know, the TLDR on it is basically the the the layman's understanding of it would just be that planes go missing there.

There's paranormal stuff that can happen. Space time thing kind of warps and there's this all kinds of crazy stuff. And I think the one that's most commonly associated with it is the fact that you have these planes that just go missing. These ships, they go into the triangle and they disappear because there's like a big wall of mist or whatever. And they never come back. I think that's probably the most accepted, widely understood concept

of the of the mysticism surrounding the the whole area. But as math, as I'm sure we'll go into, there's it goes way deeper than that for for some of these stories. Yeah. So a big thing, too, is that we've actually we've actually on this podcast did briefly touch on the Bermuda Triangle a couple of times in some side episodes. The Hollow Earth one, for instance, when that guy was in the got brought into that slit in the middle of like the water and brought into like the paradise that lives beneath the couple other things have led us

to the Bermuda Triangle tangentially. Yeah. So in this episode, instead of retreading old ground, the plan I have really is simple. First, I want to look at where the origin of the Bermuda Triangle even starts. When was the first encounter or at least the first dimension of the thing? After that, I've picked like five or six of the major disappearances that we'll just go over and talk about. And at the very end, I really want to talk about that basically where the book I read came in.

What likely happened and what the reality of the actual situation is and are really that many things going missing there? Or is it more pop culture rumors that are spread? We'll talk about that a little bit. Can I ask you one question about the book that you read? Yeah, self published or real published? A real published by and it's published by multiple different people. It's been republished by multiple different people over the many years.

You can get different editions of it, different covers. It's it's what this book is. It's a man who's basically he's an investigative journalist. He went out looking for the people that have claimed things happened, claimed things went disappeared, he interviewed eyewitnesses. He would research records to to match up ships. Did they really go missing? Did they not go missing? And basically just tried to either prove or disprove

what he possibly could in the investigation of the Bermuda Triangle. That seems dope, actually. Do you know it's it's fun. Do you know when this book was published? 1975. Can I tell you something? Please, I think this is the book I had when I was a kid. And my dad gave it to me. My dad gave it to me and I it was one of my favorite books.

One of my absolute favorites person. He's like the man in the book. I don't know. He's very like he's just he seems sick of the rumors. Like, I don't know. He's like done with it. He's he really wants to prove it false or prove that something happened. But it's good. It's a good read. I suggest you go read it. It's it's fun. It's not that big of a read either.

And you can get it pretty cheap on Amazon and just choose which edition you want. That's exciting. Though, before we dive into Senvicta, you are from Bermuda, correct? That is correct. Born and raised there. I so I know I know a lot of a lot of stuff when it comes to the island. Simply Safe was named Best Home Security of 2023 by U.S. News and World Report. But we don't do what we do for the Acolytes. We do it to protect you and everything you love.

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I never I didn't even hear about what the Bermuda Triangle was until I came over to America. And people would always constantly ask me like, oh, do you do you live in Bermuda? Whoa, how do you how do you live in the triangle? So I'm like, what are they even talking about? Because even even back then, like on TV, we were we didn't get American TV. It was all British stuff. So you wouldn't I mean, whenever we would hear the term Bermuda on TV or or even on the radio was a big deal like that Beach Boy song was huge.

We were like, oh, Bermuda, let's go. But, you know, the there's no there's no prevailing like undertone of like, oh, we're we're we're living in a mysterious place or anything like that. It was literally just home. No, you're just 51 vibes. No, nothing like that. No, OK. Yeah, gotcha. Well, that's I find that really interesting and probably indicative of what the truth

is behind the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah, we'll talk about it as we go. But to start even there's a conflicted there's conflicted information as to where the name Bermuda Triangle even started or at least the story behind the Bermuda Triangle even started. We have an article written on September 17th of 1950 in the Miami Herald that talks about the unusual disappearances in the area, though it does not use the term Bermuda Triangle directly.

The name Bermuda Triangle is first used in 19 in February of 1964 by an author, Vincent Gattis, who wrote an article called The Deadly Bermuda Triangle for a pulp magazine called Argosi. That is significantly newer than I would have imagined it would be. Yes. Yes. I thought the same thing as I was looking this up. I'm like, this is not that old. I would expect it to have been 30 or so years older than that, at least.

Is that weird? You think it'd be around like World War Two or World War One or something like that. Yeah. So that's interesting because, yeah, I too feel the same way that most of the stories you hear about like the World War Two pilots that went there or like an ancient like a frigate got lost. But do you have one that you did that was exactly that exactly what happened to it? I think what's interesting here is that probably people like they backtraced it.

They probably were like, oh, well, what else happened in this weird place? And then they associated things that happened with the Bermuda Triangle rather than the Bermuda Triangle actually doing anything, which is correct. That, yeah, and that's exactly what I think happened as well. Because again, the 1964 is the first time we even hear the word or the term Bermuda Triangle, but you're right. There are stories of World War Two planes disappearing. There are stories of old timey 1800 ships.

Disappearing, including modern stuff, which we'll again, we'll talk about that. But yeah, what's also interesting and that we'll learn through as we go is how much pop culture has so built this myth that it is impossible to know what's truth and what's made up to make the story more fun, unless you really like rip apart, digging for this shit, because it's not easy. So many people feel like they have Bermuda Triangle stories or they heard about this, but most of those are not true or they have half the truth, but not the actual conclusion to the story.

They just thought that's where it ended. Yeah, they're the most. The one that the only one that we even even like even heard about on the island itself was Flight 19. I don't know if you have any information on that. We'll be talking a little bit about flight 19 today. That is the only one that's prevailed back in those days. And I had actually heard about that one only after I visited America one time,

came back and actually there's articles about it in Bermuda itself. But that's that's the most to me. That's the most well known one that I can remember from way back in the day. But even then that predates the name of the term Bermuda Triangle. Which is crazy, but because the next bit of information to points to again, the thing that Jesse said, that they definitely seem to backtrack. Yeah, because even in the article, the Gaddus actually is the one who is the one who dictated where the Bermuda Triangle even was.

Well, isn't that the isn't that the vibe of it anyway? Isn't that the whole backstory of it is that it's like we realize that all these things were in a triangle. Right. So for people who don't know, it's Miami, San Juan, Puerto Rico and Bermuda, those three places. What's funny is that even after this article had been published and it became more common in people's minds, writers who would write about the Bermuda Triangle following wouldn't even necessarily

always follow the definition of where he declared the vertices were. Some writers gave different boundaries and different vertices to the triangle entirely with the total area varying somewhere between 1,300,000 kilometers or 3,900,000. It's a huge offer for us. 500,000 to one 1.5 million square miles. So is there even a is there even an agreed upon one today? No. No, no, there is.

People use it only the boundaries that that Mathis was talking about. The Puerto Rico, Miami and Bermuda was that's basically it. But as far as the loose definition of a triangle, it's it varies. That is so there are some there are some articles out there and some people who have made claims that it says it stretches as far as the Irish coast, what, which is nuts. So again, so far from there again, because of that shrinking and growing size of the Bermuda Triangle, any and all stories

in the general vicinity of that area can be tossed into the Bermuda Triangle story in the Bermuda Triangle myth and immediately, you know, the myth is is propped up even further and made stronger in the minds of people in pop culture. But I think that also diminishes like one of the crazy things about it is that I very much remember like an old coast to coast episode where a dude was like the aliens, the facility that they have is actually much larger.

And the reason why it extends actually further than the Bermuda Triangle is because like that one area is just happens to be the center of their operation, but actually it's a much wider. And so that's how they can say like Irish coast and stuff like that. But all that does is diminish the like legend of the Bermuda Triangle, which it's better when it's a little tiny place that like, don't go in there. Yeah, I don't want to go in the triangle. Again, it makes it worse if it's like, it's just the entire Atlantic.

That's literally just the entire Atlantic Ocean at that point. But that's the thing, right? Is it's like people want to put their stamp on it. And I imagine that that just allows them to. It's very easy to try and get your name out there and be like, I have a story about the Bermuda Triangle, the Bermuda Triangle can be any size you want. Yeah. Like imagine being like, I was also at the American Revolution. I was there. I was like, here's something that I know about.

Here's something I just I found out about that has to do with the American Revolution, this thing in history. Like it's just it's such a weird thing to not want to agree on facts. Like, yeah, it's very strange. Yeah. I love the romance of it. You know what I mean? Like, like it's it's too cool. That's like obviously why it's stuck around, right? But like, right?

The idea that like, you know, I don't know, I come at these types of stories already from the sort of just like a cultural cultural cultural perspective where I'm just sort of like, oh, this is a neat thing. But like, isn't that isn't I don't know. Like the fact that they're not saying, OK, here's here's the like numbers for the triangle, like here's the ones that fall within it. There are this many. Like it's weird that that's not what this is about.

Right. Yeah. It's it's it's a it's so the more I read about it, the Bermuda triangle just became more interesting and not in a way that for me is like more interesting in terms of paranormal. It became a very interesting pop culture kind of topic as I kept kind of ripping through this stuff. Super comic bookie, right? Very comic bookie like a lot of the time, in fact, like even further to the origins, there are actually scholars out there who believe that the first mention of the Bermuda triangle is actually in William Shakespeare's The Tempest

and that that's actually based on a real life Bermuda shipwreck. It takes place. The Tempest. Yes. Yeah. Like that's what that's what that's that's a scholar's belief. You awful believe it's such a thing. It's either from a newspaper in 1964 or Shakespeare's first folio from the 15th. Again, that's such a huge back to when we talked about Atlantis and the idea that Atlantis could be anywhere because everyone's like, well, I'm going to put my mark on this.

So now it's in this other place. And I think I would say all four of us understand this. But Alex, I think you understand this most of all. The idea of when you go into writing and you in a room with other writers and like there's a product or you'd have to like write a thing that exists. Everyone wants to have a little bit of that script. So they so they'll just throw out, especially executives, they'll throw out like, what if instead it was a dog that talked?

The poison, the poison mindset of all creative work that involves money. Period. Yeah. And I feel like this is roughly the same where people are like, well, I want to get on this. So now my story is it's like when it's like click bait for paranormal stuff. Yeah. If you do a triangle to it, suddenly your crazy theory makes sense. Yeah. Like to that point when we did fucking Atlantis, I had like the like Atlantis is one of our one of our most listened to episodes.

And it's the the conversations that spewed were crazy. People were mad at us, but they were all mad at us for different reasons because they all had different contradicting beliefs. And but they were all it's just nuts and people just. Yeah. Yeah, they want to latch on to it. It's just it's insane. Continuing to build its its mythology kind of over the years, more reports would do reports would slowly but surely build up of unexplained disappearances that would catch the that wouldn't really

catch the public's attention until the 20th century. One of the more infamous things that happened was a tragedy that occurred in March of 1918, when the USS Cyclops, a five hundred and forty two foot long Navy cargo ship with over three hundred men and 10,000 tons of manganese or on board sank somewhere between Barbados and the Chesapeake Bay. That was the one that you were talking about, right, Jesse? Yes, that's the one I was talking about. Yeah.

The Cyclops one is when you were talking about. I was like, yeah, sweet to be sweet about that. And there was like a weird there's a lot of weird stuff in that story and a lot of reports of them being like, our engine is freaking damaged. And they're like, just go, you're fine. So there's so many levels to that story, but it is a missing ship. And it is super interesting and it did disappear possibly in the Bermuda Triangle. Yeah. Yeah.

The ship put out to sea from Rio de Janeiro on six on February 16th, 1918, and entered Salvador on February 20th. Two days later, she departed for Baltimore, Maryland with no stop scheduled, carrying all the manganese or that they had just picked up. The ship was thought to be overloaded when she left Brazil as her maximum capacity was eight thousand tons, and they were carrying two thousand tons more than the ship was made to carry. That seems like that just solves the mystery right there.

That's you know, you know, you would think, right? Yeah, I can raise their points to human error on that one. Right. Exactly. Before leaving the point of the port, Commander Worley had submitted a report that the starboard engine had a cracked cylinder and was not operative. Yep. The report was then confirmed by a survey board, which recommended that the ship be returned to the United States.

She made an unscheduled stop in Barbados because the water level was over the Plymzol line, which I mean is the thing that indicates is just too far up. You can see it just like a measurement. And I imagine the ship starts to sink once that is the water line line was literally anything, and I would believe you. It just sounds like a word, the Plymzol line. Yeah. Yeah. It's fun to say. It's the name of a special marking also known as the International Load Line, the Plymzol line and water line that indicates the draft of the ship

and the legal limit to which the ship may be loaded. Plymzol line. It was overloaded. Yeah, they was it was overloaded with the Maganizor. They was just too too heavy. But investigations in Rio prove the ship had been loaded and secured properly. So there was conflicting reports. The Cyclops then set out for Baltimore on March 4th and was rumored to have been sighted on March 9th by the molasses tanker Amal, Amalico or Amalco

near Virginia, but this was then denied by Amalco's captain. Additionally, because the Cyclops was not doing Baltimore until March 13th, the ship was highly unlikely to have been near Virginia on March 9th, as that location would have placed her only about a day away from Baltimore. In any event, the Cyclops never arrived in Baltimore and no wreckage of the ship was ever found, which is why it's so pervasive and so heavily mister. I like it's a big mystery. Well, wait, so they said that they saw it and then they like decided that they

it wasn't the Cyclops that they saw or they saw it. They thought they saw it and then they decided they saw nothing. There were rumors that they had been seen and then the captain of the ship the rumors were about then denied that they ever saw them. And it makes sense that it wouldn't have been out there because if they had seen them, they would have been really close to Virginia and they would have lost. But he was saying we've seen nothing, not. Yeah, he saw we didn't see anything.

We never saw them. Got it. Yeah. So then again, no wreckage of the ship ever was found reports that indicate that on March 10th, the day after the Cyclops was rumored to have been sighted by the Amalco, a violent storm swept through the Virginia Capes area. While some suggest that the combination of the overloaded condition, engine trouble that they had and bad weather may have conspired to sink the Cyclops, and I argue that any one of those things alone could have

sent the Cyclops an extensive naval investigation concluded, quote, many theories have been advanced, but none that satisfactorily accounts for her disappearance. You know what's crazy? When I did this in a history mystery, I don't think the angle that I took on this was the Brunner Triangle. And yet this is in the Brunner Triangle episode, which again, goes back to the fact that the Brunner Triangle is anything in everything, apparently anything that happened in a huge portion of the globe.

Yeah. Yeah. And everybody loves the a good, a good missing, missing ship story. And, you know, the fact that it can just disappear out of nowhere. It's like, Oh, I don't know. Wait, how does something that big get destroyed without anyone knowing? It's like, I feel like the people who hear this kind of thing and believe into that sort of stuff don't actually, they probably have never been over the Atlantic Ocean or any large amount body of water, because it is very possible to get lost in the ocean.

Oh my God. Yeah. They look at a globe and they look at a map online. They're like, oh, yeah, that's not that big. I'm like, uh, no, man. All you got to do is look at that Malaysia flight that literally vanished. I'm going to say that same thing. They tracked it. And they were like, all right, well, it has to be in this specific area. And they're like, we can find nothing.

But then when you like, you know, all the conspiracy theory stuff, but then you look online and it's just like, yo, that is some deep ass water. Yeah. That is that could be gone forever. Y'all knows what the currents took it and moved it underneath the water because it's varying currents and stuff. That's like 80 percent of the reason why we can't find it. Exactly. Well, they, I don't know if you guys have kept up with that, but very recently, actually two weeks ago, they, they have new information.

They know they have a very precise location of where it most likely is now. Thanks to this guy who was pinging radio. He was pinging radio signals. I don't remember what he, what he does. It was something to do with the weather. And he pinpointed where the, where there were interruptions in his radio signals. And, and that's attributed to, to aircraft in the area. Wow. He was able to actually map out the, the direct path of where the flight was.

And, and what's crazy about H 370 or 390, whatever it was, is that it actually did a full circle like it did. It did a very, very tight, but short circle in like a 360 degree circle. And then went down. So it's, it's really fascinating. It's on YouTube. You can go check it out. It's really, really cool with the new information. That's not the barrier triangle. So no, but still, like the, again, the example is just like the ocean is huge, man. That's, that's what I'm just saying.

Like people, people are like, well, how can something that big as a cruise ship can go without surely there's got to be some way it was David Copperfield. He made it just disappear or something. Like, no, the ocean is huge, man. It can literally swallow anything. It can swallow like countries. I remember a show that used to be on TV. Me too. That was, that was called sea, sea quest. Yes. Oh my God. That sounds familiar. Sea quest. Yes. And it was,

it was literally Star Trek, but the ocean and the more show, yeah. The more you think about it, the more you're like, Oh my God. Yeah. No. Earth is like a lot of water and we don't spend any time exploring it. And that, but again, that goes to the mystery of like, what's in the perimeter triangle? We've never actually like spent time under there with the aliens. That's, that's like, that's another thing. A lot of conspiracy conspiracy theorists love to jump to is like,

we've been, we've only explored 2% of the ocean and yet we're trying to explore space. What are they hiding? And it's like, maybe it's just really hard. Also, it's, you know, there's a lot of risk of just dying. You know, I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, you know what it is? Is like 100% what I believe the deal is with the Bermuda triangle is just that it is like super good, like accidentally is just like super good marketing. Agreed. Yeah. Like you said it yourself.

Like St. Victor, like when you were saying like, yo, we love when we hear the word Bermuda in like media, right? But like to people who aren't from Bermuda, they hear it. And all they literally like there, they have no idea what Bermuda is. Probably not even exactly where it is in America, at least, right? And and they're like, oh, the one thing I know that has to do with Bermuda is the Bermuda triangle. Yep. So that is permeated through pop culture since I've been alive.

Yeah. And it sounds cool. You know what I mean? Like it sounds neat. And it's just like Jesse was saying, if you want to add marquee value to your to your stories, just add the Bermuda triangle on there. Boom. Yeah. You got yourself a headline. Yep. Dead on. You are dead on. We're going to do a little bit more about Cyclops before we move to another

disappearance when they were when after disappeared, the summation was written, however, that before two of the Cyclops, the sister ships, Proteus and Nereus vanished at sea during World War Two. So it was part of like many ships, I guess, that disappeared. First of all, they even calmed down the names. Whatever the fake Titanic, it's all connected. Both ships, however, were transporting, again, heavy loads of metallic ore similar to that which was loaded on the Cyclops during her fatal voyage.

In both cases, their loss was theorized to have been the result of catastrophic structural failure, but a more outlandish theory attributes all three vessels disappearance to the Bermuda Triangle. Like, what does that even mean to the Bermuda Triangle? Like, what am I imagining? Like, is the Bermuda Triangle's fault to whatever is there? It's like opening and then the ships just like just quietly. Yeah.

The ocean just closes back up. I think Cthulhu's and Lovecraftian stuff is also heavily attributed to that, to my more modern day understanding of what the common belief about the mythos is. Yeah. Is there? Yeah. Are we going to? I don't want to jump on this. Are we going to talk about that? Like what people think the Bermuda Triangle is.

I'm going to go over, like, what it most likely is. We can definitely talk about all the crazy stuff. Yeah, I can tell you, I can give you many examples of what I've heard people ask me about and think about. Definitely. I think it's the Dreaming Celestial at the end of Eternals. Yeah, there you go. It was hand comes up and doesn't do anything to the Earth's rotation.

Can I tell you? I was on red at the other day and I saw a random post on the front page that was like, when is Marvel going to address this? And I've never felt more seen. I was like, like, thumbs up, gave an award. I was like, you are speaking my language. Thank you.

I think it's I think it's X-Men time when we see that. That's my prediction. That's my, like, poor Richard's almanac prediction about the MCU. You're hearing it here. It's not the exclusive. If they go back to the Dreaming Celestial, it's X-Men time. Yeah, that would make sense to me. I feel like we're going to get the introduction to X-Men

in the New City Doctor Strange movie, though. God, Patrick Stewart is literally in that movie. I know he's in the movie. No, but they're not just going to put the Fox one in. Are they? Do you think it's Patrick Stewart? Yeah, but or it's John Luke Picard. I'm either way. I mean, he might be playing Professor X, but I'm just saying, but I'm just a different version.

That's what I'm saying. Like, is it like is like a Garfield situation? Is it a wire situation? The Fox's X-Men was part of the Illuminati Council all along. Like, yes, we are supposed to believe that. Don't ruin this for me. OK. Yeah. All right. Yeah.

We got to go back to the Bermuda Triangle, boys. Well, actually, last question for Jesse. What do you hate more, Eternals or Picard, the new show? Here's the thing. He Picard isn't over yet. So I can't I can't say that. And Picard had Q for one and a half episodes. So I'm I it's a little bit better than Eternals.

All right. All right. Eternals was like no shade on Eternals, really. Like I don't know what it's. But but Q is more entertaining than the entire two and a half hours of Eternals. Shout out to John Delancey, man. Yeah, he crushes that role. OK, well, a little bit more. So again, we both ships were also traveling with the heavy ore.

So obviously, they tried to search for the Cyclops. And one last little mysterious telegram was received before we'll leave this alone. This is the good bit. This is the good bit. Near the time the search of the collapses for the Cyclops was called off, a telegram was received by the State Department from Charles Ludlow Livingston, the US Council on Barbados. It says Secretary of State, Washington, DC, April 2nd at 2 p.m. Departments, 15th Confidential Master Cyclops stated that required

600 tons of coal having sufficient on board to reach Bermuda. Engines, very poor condition, not sufficient funds and therefore requested payment by me. Unusually reticent. I have ascertained he took here. Ton fresh meat, ton flour, thousand pounds vegetables, paying, therefore, seven hundred and seventy five dollars from different sources. Gather the following. He had plenty of coal, alleged inferior, took coal to mix,

probably had more than 1500 tons. Master alluded to by others as damned Dutchman, apparently disliked by other officers. So the people hated the captain. They were not a fan of the captain at all. Rumored disturbances and route hither, men confined and executed. Also had some prisoners from the fleet in Brazilian waters. One life sentence. United States Council, General Gottschalk passenger,

two hundred and thirty one crew exclusive of officers and passengers have names of crew, but not of all the officers and passengers. Many dramatic names appear. Number, telegraph or wireless messages addressed to master or in care of ship were delivered at this port. All telegrams for Barbados on file head office, St. Thomas, I have to suggest scrutiny here while not having any defined grounds. I fear fate worse than sinking, though possibly based on instinctive

dislike felt toward master Livingson Council. That's what I'm saying. There's so much mystery to the ship. It's like it's like trouble layered on trouble layer. It's like a perfect storm for something to go wrong and for the ship to vanish. OK, but where's the thing? Like the ship itself, even the people on board, if it wasn't sunk, piracy is very clearly another option as well.

Yes, that's what they are. That's what other options for the ship. But I also, you know what? I'd be fine if a void opened in the ocean and they got teleported to the moon. Like I'd be fine, too. Like whatever. OK, but didn't it say Bermuda there in that letter, though, at least once somewhere? No, it was Barbados Barbados.

But like it's very, you know, it's close enough to the pirate point. They were not only filled to the brim with what they had. They had 2000 tons more than they were supposed to be carrying. That is a payday for whoever ends up pirating that ship. And more importantly is it was known like there was a fight between the captain and the like shipping people because they were like, look, you got to take this back, bro. Yeah. And he was like, no.

And apparently another thing that I learned is that the ore they were shipping was corrosive to the hull. Apparently just ridiculous. Why did they send this on a ship? Why were they like, we need this is the most dangerous thing we've ever put in the ship. Ah, fuck it. Let's just send it. You know what? Let's put more than normal. Because money, maybe.

Yeah. The engine's not working. Well, it's fine. You'll make it military vessel. Were they really after money? It was like a transportation. It's just a transportation as a cargo ship. That is all spooky or whatever you read when you hear like the broken English of old telegraphs as well. Yeah. You're talking together. Yeah. The tambourine, the delivery is always like, it's like, oh, man,

like they talk about fights and all of a sudden violence. And, you know, all that stuff leads to the to the mysticism. But it sounds like somebody ordering breakfast at a Denny's. Waffle House, Waffle House. Oh, yeah, there you go. I love Waffle House so much. Don't rub it in. OK. I don't have any near me. I have to get on an airplane. Nowhere near close, not close.

Nothing like within like 30 minutes of me. I'd have to go further. I don't know. I don't know. I have to get in an airplane to get to a wall. Yeah, we got it. We got to pass the Bermuda Triangle to get to a wall. OK. Dear truck and a want to talk torque, the tundra's forceful twin turbo V six will blow your mind.

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All right, we're going to rewind time a little bit to a bit of an earlier disappearance, the HMS Juno, which was originally set sale in 1844, but disappeared in 1880. She was a 26 gun Spartan class, sixth rate frigate of the Royal Navy that was launched in 1844 at Pembroke. That is 100 percent the most bad ass effing thing you've ever uttered ever. That was a model that I bought in the summer of 1999 at Games Workshop. Just a moment.

She was she was she's taken part. That ship took part of some very big battles, including she carried out the historic role in 1857 of annexing the annexing the Cocos or Keeling Islands to the British Empire. She was then renamed HMS Mariner in the 1878 and then HMS Atlanta two weeks after that. So she was not to make a reference to a song that's like over five years old. When you say the Cocos reference, huh? Oh, the Cocomo.

That's what I got. Yeah, I'm with you. So it's disappearance was in 1880. The Atlanta the Atlanta was serving as a training ship at that point. When in 1880, she disappeared with her entire crew after setting sail from the Royal Navy dockyard in Bermuda for Falmouth, England on January 31st, 1880. It was presumed that she sank in a powerful storm, which crossed her route a couple of weeks after she sailed. The search for evidence of her fate attracted worldwide attention

and the Admiralty received more than one hundred and fifty telegrams and two hundred personal calls from anxious friends and relatives after it was announced that the ship went missing and possibly lost. I would be the worst time to be that I have that job, just being constantly people like freaking out about where their family members have went. I can't imagine that was not stressful. You can't drag it to like the like the recycle bin or anything. You got to actually like go one by one.

Actually, listen, yeah. Investigation of the ship's loss was eventually rendered was actually rendered difficult by the lack of any survivors. But one former member of her crew, Abel Seaman, John Varling, testified that he had found her exceedingly crank as being overweight. She rolled 32 degrees and Captain Stirling is reported as having been heard to remark that she had rolled one degree more. That had she rolled one degree more, she must have gone over and foundered.

The young sailors were either too timid to go aloft or were incapacitated by seasickness, Varling states that they hid themselves away and could not be found when wanted by the boatswain's mate. I mean, it sure does sound like it's obvious what happened here. Isn't it like that's that's the point of these stories is like if you look into them, it's pretty fucking obvious as to what happened to most of the journals. Like, man, we almost flipped over and died. One more thing. I hope that doesn't happen again.

It would kill all of us if it happened. Anyway, I'm going to go to bed off on the sea. We'll be fine. This actually kind of goes to something Jesse has said on the show many, many, many times. The reason people are so easily. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that too. Yeah. Is that because there is the all the investigations came up bunk, they never really could figure it out. It opens that sliver of a crack for conspiracy theories to slither their way in

and fill the hole with whatever they want. So a lot of gross words altogether really quickly. Slithering all these moist conspiracies. If you think of your typical conspiracy theorist, though, doesn't he kind of look moist in your mind? I'm certainly very moist right now. You can take however you want to take it. The continuation of that thought is if you are, say, the Royal Navy

and you put out like, well, it probably sunk period. But we don't know. You've moved on. You go about your life. But like someone who is in like in the conspiracy, they now are constantly doing the conspiracy over and over and over again. So eventually that becomes the story because it becomes updating information. Are those who are like, it really was the Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah, it's the it's the dot, dot, dot question mark at the very end of the title card. That's the that's what people love to they love to latch on to that. And when you've got a when you got something is so kind of open to interpretation like the Bermuda Triangle, it just invites all kinds of fun stuff to hear about. It's the Bermuda Triangle is such a fun thing to talk about, I think, because it's one of those, you know, elementary schools, first conspiracy theory. So there's a lot you can look at and see like how conspiracy

kind of got to where it is now, just from going back here. Yeah, it's it's nuts that what people are willing to kind of fill into the hole and in like make make it about something it's not. But I think something that we've never really said, or maybe we've only talked about a couple of times is like people do this. The people the reason people are latched on to conspiracy theories is because to them it helps them make sense of a world that doesn't make sense to them. If they can just latch on to something that this must be the reason or this

must be the reason, then the earth isn't chaos. And, you know, there is a purpose and it's not just random bad things happening in your safe. And you you have a reason because if you don't have that reason, then you're left with the harsh reality that the world doesn't give a shit about you. The world is going to go on. It's going to be it's chaotic and random bad things can and do happen.

All the existential terror of being alive. There was I talking about this last time on this show. I am on so much. I talk into so many microphones these days. I am getting old. One time, my cat got out of my house and he ran out of the door and he only got four steps down the stairs before he froze with the other weight of the entire just overwhelming

earth and world and existence around him. Just the sheer insanity of it just crushed him into place. And I was just able to like go pick him up and take him back. Yeah. Indoor crats think they want to be outdoor cats until they get outdoors. And then they're horrified and cat owners think they want to be cat walkers until their cats slithers out of the leash and runs for blocks away. But the fascinating and interesting thing is that once you take the initial step and go past the fear.

It's so easy there. You are now in another world and you it's like, you know, you were like, oh, I can't wait to explore. It doesn't mean it's not dangerous. It doesn't mean weird stuff that you can't control doesn't happen. But it does mean you're now more willing to accept things. And I think that, you know, when you're stuck in your house as that cat, for example, everything makes sense because you know the house.

And then like you can make up your like, oh, well, when the light goes out, that's because the sun like, you know, just something to turn out the light like that kind of thing. And then once you go outside, like there's layers. And I think that, you know, the Jesse version of this is like science will help you understand. Yeah. Those layers. Yeah, I agree. And I know it can be scary to think about like what the world is.

But I mean, like it's so I love conspiracy theories as much as as much as the next person, I find them extremely fun and they're entertaining. And, you know, there's always that element of what if, but as long as you keep that distance, then I think it's fun to do conspiracy theories. Like you said, Jesse said, as soon as you take the step and buy it wholesale, it's such a quick path to horrible, dark places that you don't want to be. It's just not where you want to be. What we're saying is check out QAnon.

It's pretty neat. Yeah. Good Lord. I mean, it's also it's just like it's just like the dog chasing the tire. Like what do you do when he catches when he actually catches the car? You know, it's like, yeah, I mean, you got it now. Like now what? Yeah, exactly. All that stuff are only based in the chase. Yeah. It is like you do not as a conspiracy theorist,

you do not win when you solve it. Once it's solved, you're like, it's done. So you always are like, there's more to it. There's another level. Yeah, especially if you are a YouTuber. Yeah, you can make that money. Great examples when the Flat Earthers proved themselves wrong and still didn't swallow it and still had to find a new way to explain what's going on. Shut himself up into the air and died.

Oh, my God. Yes, that's right. I shouldn't laugh. I don't even know where to laugh at somebody's death, but like man. But guys, if I ever you need to make me a promise, if I ever get to the point where I come out of this podcast, I'm like, guys, I'm going to build my own ship and I'm going to go get to the aliens myself. You got to like put me in a cell. It's going to hit you with a blackjack over the head.

I'm not putting you in a cell. I'm getting a camera and putting a bunch of tripods everywhere just to watch you. You to YouTube. Yeah, I got to make that content. You do that. And I'll start my own version of Q and on where it's just like John DeLancey worship J and like, have you heard the message of Q? Do you know what Q is about? Are you aware of John DeLancey?

Because that man can act. What do you think of this hat? Just making his pamphlets already. I know this is just an audio podcast, but we can all see the hat, right? I maybe not Jesse, you can't picture shit like that, but everybody else. The last bit about the HMS Juno is another one of those nail in the coffins that again, why is it even a mystery to some people? While we don't know the exact circumstances around the Junos

or the at this point, the Atlantis disappearance, a gunboat by the name of Avon, which arrived in Portsmouth on the April 19th from the Chile station, reported, quote, that at the Azores, she noticed immense quantities of wreckage floating about. In fact, the sea was strewn with spars. Beautiful. Two days later. So just straight up found wreckage. Like the line on the wreckage.

The sea was strewn with spars. I like that. The string was spars. Eighteen eighties. Two days later, a mid-mounting concern that the loss of the ship might have been prevented, had her crew not been so inexperienced, because remember, it was a training ship. The Times then editorialized, quote, there can be no sunken wreck with just just the bow above water was cited at.

And they give the coordinates on September 14th by German Brig. W. von Frieden. It was thought that this could have been the wreck of the Atlanta. And that's kind of like where that mystery, in my opinion, ends. It feels like we have an answer to it, but because the official position on it at that time and really hasn't changed is we don't really know. Then people have been able to jump into that. We're going to cover Flight 19, but this is like we're talking way longer

than I thought we were about some of these things. So let me do one more ship disappearance before we go to Flight 19. The disappearance of the Carol A. Deering. This is a ship that was built in Bath Main in 1919 by G. G. By the G. G. Deering Company for commercial use, so as a commercial ship. The owner of the company named the ship after his son, one of the last large commercial sailing vessels. The ship was designed to carry cargo and had been in service for a year

when it began its final voyage to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. On July 19th, 1920, the Needering sailing from Puerto Puerto Rico arrived at Newport News to pick up a cargo of coal for delivery to Rio de Janeiro. The ship was captained by William H. Merritt. Merritt was a hero of World War One, who had been cited for bravery under fire for saving his entire crew when his previous command, the Deering built five-masted schooner, Dorothy B. Barrett, was sunk by the German submarine, U-117, off Cape May, New Jersey in 1918.

So he did a really good job, I guess, just taking over. Merritt's son, Seuel, S-E-W-A-L-L. I don't know how you would say that because nobody is named that anymore. Sewell? I don't. Yeah, maybe. I don't do that. That's I'm sorry to anyone with that name. I wish I was a 1919. I wish I could represent for you, dudes. Yeah, that was Merritt's son.

Seuel was his first mate, and he had a 10 man crew made up entirely of Scandinavians, mostly Danes. On August 26th, 1920, the Deering cleared the Virginia Capes bound for Rio. But Captain Merritt soon fell seriously ill and the Deering turned back and put into the port of Luz, Delaware. To drop off Merritt and his son. The Deering company recruited Captain Willis B. Wormel, a retired 66 year old Veteran C.

Captain, to replace him on the voyage to Brazil. Charles B. McClellan was hired on as first mate. The Deering with Wormel in command set sail for Rio on September 8th, 1920, arriving there and delivering its cargo without incident. Wormel gave his crew leave and met with Captain Goodwin, an old friend who captained another cargo vessel that was docked in Rio. Wormel spoke of his crew with disdain that we claimed to trust the engineer, Herbert Bates, whom Goodwin was acquainted with.

The Deering left Rio on December 2nd, 1920 and stopped for supplies and Barbados. First mate, McClellan got drunk in town and complained to Captain Hugh Norton of the snow that he could not discipline the crew without Wormel interfering and that he had to do all the navigating owing to Wormel's poor eyesight. I mean, they did hire a 66 year old retired C. Captain. It really makes you wonder what may have happened aboard the ship. Right. Later, Captain Norton, his first mate and another captain were in the Continental

Cafe and heard McClellan say, quote, I'll get the captain before we get to Norfolk. I will. I swear to fucking God, this ship is going to crash if I don't. It's what? However, McClellan was arrested in a drunken state. But on January 9th, Wormel forgave him, bailed him out of jail and set sail for Hampton Roads. The ship was next sighted by the Cape Lookout light ship off North Carolina on January 28th, 1921, when the Deering hailed it. The light ship's keeper, Captain Jacobson, reported that a tall, thin man with reddish hair and a foreign accent speaking through a megaphone told him

the vessel had lost its anchors in a storm off Cape Fear and asked that the ship's owners, the G.G. Deering Company, be notified. Megaphone. Yeah, it's 1921, baby. They're just like, I just saw, you know, this is the news. See. Yeah, I guess that's the best way to communicate when you're on a ship far away. I don't I don't really. Yeah, I don't know.

It's it's weird. Jacobson took note of this, but his radio was out, so he was unable to report it to the Deering Company. He also noticed that the crews seemed to be milling around on the quarter deck of the ship, an area where they were not usually allowed. The following afternoon, the crew of another vessel transiting the area spotted the Deering sailing, of course, that would take it directly onto the Diamond Shoals. Do you guys know what the Diamond Shoals are?

No, they are infamous for always for as being an always shifting cluster of shallow underwater sandbars that extend eight miles out from Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, hidden beneath the waves and constantly changing in both form and depth. And that's where the Deering ship was sailing directly towards. This is just a perfect recipe for disaster. An old man captain, a first mate who hates him and should just say eight miles long. Yeah, what's the wrong?

What's the problem? Those things alone could also sink the ship. They, however, saw no one on the ship's decks and didn't attempt to hail them. The Schooner, assuming her crew would spot the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse or the Diamond Shoals Lightship and change course to avoid wrecking on the shoals. We don't know if they did or didn't, but let's find out what we know next. On January 31st, 1921, the Deering was cited at dawn by surfman C.P. Brady, who was on lookout duty at the Coast Guard Station at Cape Hatteras.

The vessel was hard aground with all sail set on the outer edge of the Diamond Shoals. These shoals that extended offshore from Cape Hatteras have been notorious as a common site of shipwrecks for centuries and are known as the graveyard of the Atlantic, which is not a good name. Period. Talk about bad PR. That's it right there. I love it's like they and if that other ship had at least tried to contact them, they may have been able to avoid this altogether. If this is what happened, which I am dislike, very high probability it is.

Rescue ships were unable to approach the vessel owing to bad weather. The ship was not boarded until February 4th after being battered by the surf for sea day for several days, and it became clear that the Schooner had been completely abandoned. So when they went on the ship there, the crew was gone. No crew. Persevering equipment was found to be damaged with the wheel shattered. The but the bionicle box stove in and the rudder disengaged from its stock. The ship's log and navigation navigation equipment were gone,

along with the crew's personal effects and the ship's two lifeboats. In the vessel's galley, it appeared that certain foodstuffs were being prepared for the next day's meal at the time of the abandonment. The Coast Guard cutter Manning attempted to salvage the deering, but found it impossible. The vessel was declared a hazard to navigation and was destroyed using dynamite on that on March 4th to prevent it from becoming a danger to other vessels.

A portion of the ship's bow later drifted ashore on Okra Coke Island. Wooden timbers from the wreck also washed ashore on Hatteras Island and were used by local residents to build houses. I get so fucked up that somebody blows me up with dynamite. Just to destroy. I mean, that would have been fun. It would have been a fun day on the job, man.

If you're out there on the ship getting to watch the blow, the ship blow up. It'd be working there every other day that you work there just for that day. Real talk. It really would be. I would have loved to just be able to watch that. So the real mystery here again isn't necessarily the ship, but the crew all disappeared. Now, granted, they took lifeboats out and it's clearly they abandoned the ship. But there was an investigation.

The US government launched an extensive investigation into the disappearance of the crew. Five departments of the government, commerce, treasury, justice, navy and state looked into the case. Herbert Hoover, then Secretary of Commerce, was intrigued by the fact that several other vessels of various nationalities, most notably the Sulphur freighter Hewitt, had also disappeared in roughly the same area. Although most of these vessels were later revealed to have been sailing

in the vicinity of a series of particularly powerful hurricanes. The Hueyings. They were revealed to be having three ticking bombs on board. The Hueyings were proven to have been sailing away from the area of the storm at the time. Hoover's assistant, Lawrence Richie, was placed in charge of the investigation and Richie tried to chart what happened to the vessel between its last sighting at Cape Lookout and its running aground at the Diamond Shoals by reading the logbooks of the Coast Guard light ship stationed

in those areas. When an Italian inquiry into the disappearance of the vessel, Montesson Michel confirmed that there had been strong hurricanes in the vicinity. Mutiny was then accepted as the explanation for the Deering incident, which would come together with the first mate not liking the captain. The investigation was closed in late 1922 with zero official finding of the incident, therefore leaving that open for conspiracy theorists to fill in. Worse is like, you know, of course, people, people attribute the government

to lying. They don't want you to know what actually happened to them. They don't want you to know what actually happened and bring you to triangle. They maybe they got abducted by aliens and they were as like evidence there. You know, that kind of nonsense is crazy. I just don't understand where how how. How does it reach such fanatical belief about something that seems so black and white on paper? Then you're going to try to attribute to something some sort of weird

conspiracy alien magic sort of happening. Like, I don't understand where that seats itself in this thing. Where's the weird thing? The weird thing actually first showed up in 1931. The disappearance of the ship's crew had been cited by innumerable authors dealing with anomalous phenomena and the supernatural. Charles Ford had a book called Low written in 1931, first mentioning this vessel in a mysterious context and many subsequent chroniclers of sea mysteries then followed suit.

Since this vessel sailed in the area, generally considered to be part of the so-called Bermuda Triangle, the disappearance of the crew was has often been tied to the fact. Again, it's somebody immediately saw a way to fluff up a story, sell something, and he did. And that just that was the first seed to plant the conspiracy that then grow decades upon decades. Consider the source, though, of who finally saw that.

See, if you ask conspiracy theorists, what's the source? You know, we can only get a straight answer. I need to stress when you said possible hurricanes in the area, I just want to, like, make sure everyone is aware up until, I don't know, the last hundred, maybe 120 years were we even attempting to, like, understand hurricane weather. So during, like that Bermuda Triangle area, when you see hurricanes, like on the news, the weather channel, whatever, you can go look up

like hurricane paths right now when they, before they hit Florida and Louisiana and Texas, they go right through that area every single time. That's the path of, and so numerous storms every year always happen there. Then add on to the fact that that is where the Gulf Stream is. And for those of you listening who don't know what the Gulf Stream is, imagine an underwater river that is like almost six miles an hour. Yeah, a river underwater, super fast. It's why the hurricanes blow through that area.

And so if anything sinks, it doesn't just sink. It gets swept away in an underwater river. And then there's all the islands in the area. And any, you know, if you're off track, if you're knocked anywhere, you can hit rocks, you can hit whatever. Like there's so many ways to sink in that area that, like, I'd be more worried about those things than, like, the UFO that came and got me, you know? Right. I just want to, like, listen, like the list of things

that could have sank these dudes is huge. Yeah. Hovercains, diamond shoals, bad captain, angry first mate, mutiny, piracy. Like there's so many things that could have taken these guys down. But again, right in like four or five years later or whatever, they're already making, you know, stories about what it paranormal. It's too cool. It's just too cool of a prospect, unfortunately.

Yeah. It captures the imagination. Yeah. It makes you think like, what if? Yeah. And then now you got these days, you think about, you know, you hear being attributed to like electricity, like, oh, there's electromagnetic pulses there. Or there are they got methane gases that that kind of come out of the out of the water and that that messes with instrumentation, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, that's and those are also great boogeymen as well,

because you can't see them. You can't physically see that stuff happen. So it's like, well, it's just complicated enough. Yeah. Yeah, it's just complicated enough to where the layman is not going to understand what that means when there was a methane gas release or something like that from underwater. All they see is a or they hear about or reports about of an airplane just mysteriously just falling for no reason at all.

No missile was shot. No one bailed out or anything like that. Just a plane falls in the water. It's got to be something crazy that happens over there. Yep. That's always how it goes. Yeah. It's it's crazy. And but we're we're talking about playing the plane one right now, actually. But this will be the last one that we cover on this episode.

Guys, if you want more and you're really intrigued by these, there are surprisingly interesting in a like different way than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. Again, when I was doing because there because it's it's one of those. It's one of those topics where if you even try to crack the service a little bit, the truth is just kind of right there. Like, it's not far. You don't have to look hard to see like why or what's going on. You want to know what I'm going to give you want to know what an Alex episode is,

like in terms of research, it's just doing that like 100 times before you find anything interesting. Like every cool thing is like not actually cool on the Internet. Yeah. I can tell you that I'm living there for for 10 years. We saw going back to what Jesse said, it you see hurricanes, man. I've seen huge, huge hurricanes blow through there. I mean, there there is like during the summertime months. And when you if you're from Bermuda, there's you just hunker down.

It's just like, yeah, we got another one coming. No school today. Just, you know, hold out hope that these that these buildings can take it. Because yeah, you have to remember there's no back in the 80s. There's no there's no wooden structures. It's all it's all limestone sandstone stuff. So, you know, they are built to withstand. These are hardy, hardy people and they know how to build houses.

We didn't have any like like just to give you an example. Our water that we had was not from any kind of of centralized purification plants or anything like that. We drank rainwater. We flushed the toilet with rainwater. And there was we had we had wells underneath the underneath the the houses and the foundation stuff. We had to purify it with tablets, that sort of thing.

But that's like, damn, that is why that's what we had to had to live through back back then. It's not like we have, you know, the sophisticated weather systems or anything like that. Now it's just like, yeah, hurricanes coming. I mean, of course, we had radar. There was a NASA station there and everything like that. It wasn't like Bermuda wasn't like third world by any means, stretch imagination, but we're not talking about Houston either, though.

You know, so it's so those hurricanes when they when they when they blow in, they would come in hard. And you would always hear about ships going down, you know, airplanes having to have to navigate around the entire area of what's now known as the Bermuda Triangle, that sort of thing. So, you know, all kinds of stories could could happen from there. But, you know, the the hurricane season in Bermuda was just an absolute nightmare. Especially as a kid.

Yeah, it sounds worse than a fucking UFO coming. Way worse. I prefer UFO to show. Yeah, luckily, luckily, there was no huge loss of life when when I was living there anyway, and structural damage wasn't too bad. But it's again, those those houses that are there. If you if you just Google image search any any type of Bermudian house, you'll see it's all it's all white roofs with with slots in them. That's how we that's how we gathered water.

That like there's there's little there's little slits in the in the roof that water permeates down. Oh, yeah, I totally see it. Yeah. Yeah, that's how we got water. So these houses are built to withstand huge storms, but the ships on the other hand are not. Oh, my God, it's fucking beautiful there. What the hell? Oh, yeah, it's it's it's heaven on earth.

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but it's much easier for people to accept like either malevolent or benevolent alien force or like some paranormal thing rather than the complete randomness of being caught in the wrong place, the wrong time of a hurricane or bad weather and just like shit happens. It's much easier to be like, no, this is clearly something else because there's there, you know, the human brain is built to form patterns. And so if we see all these things, we're like, there must be something else rather than just like, yo, sometimes terrible stuff happens.

And like, yeah, that sucks, dude. And like when we're talking about explanations, we'll talk about that pattern and if there even is a pattern at all. But as always, at the end of the episode, in typical Mathis fashion, I'll leave you with a little bit of a maybe for the last one, we're going to talk about Flight 19 Flight 19 was the designation of a group of five General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that ended up disappearing

over the Bermuda Triangle on December 5th, 1945, after losing contact with the United States Navy overwater navigation training flight from Naval Air Station Fort Lauderdale, Florida. This is a good one, Jesse, pay attention. All I'm aware of it. It's the best one. It is the best one. It's the one that I that I heard of as a kid, too. Yeah.

All 14 airmen on the flight were lost, as were all 13 crew members of a Martin PBM Mariner flying boat that subsequently launched from Naval Air Station Banana River to search for Flight 19. So the thing that even went out looking for him disappeared. A report by Navy investigators concluded that flight leader Lieutenant Charles C. Taylor mistook small islands offshore for the Florida Keys after his compass stopped working, resulting in the flight heading over open sea and away from land.

The report was later amended by the Navy to read to read quote case unknown to avoid blaming Taylor for the loss of five aircraft and 14 men will go through the whole thing, however. And it's interesting because Bermuda Triangle is one of the only places where true north and magnetic north line up and it actually screws with compasses in an area is there. So that would immediately explain for why their compasses would have been acting weirdly there.

So Flight 19 undertook a routine navigation and combat training exercise in TBM type aircraft. The assignment was called Navigation Problem Number One. Very exciting name, a combination of bombing and navigation, which other flights have completed and were scheduled to undertake that day. The flight leader was United States Navy Lieutenant Charles Carol Taylor, who had about 2,500 hours in flying, mostly an aircraft of this type, while his trainee pilots had about 300 total

and 60 flight hours in the Avenger. Taylor had completed a combat tour in the Pacific Theater as torpedo bomber pilot on the aircraft USS Hancock and had recently arrived and arrived from NAS Miami, where he had also been a VTB, which is a torpedo bombing plane instructor. The student pilots had recently completed other training missions in the area where the flight was to take place. They were US Marine Captains Edward Joseph Powers and George William Stivers,

US Marine Second Lieutenant Forest James Gerber and USN Ensign Joseph Tipton Bossy. Their call sign started with Fox Ter, F-O-X-T-A-R-E. The aircraft were three TBM-1Cs, which is the bombers, one TBM-1E and one TBM-3. Each aircraft was a version of the Grumman TBF Avenger built by General Motors Eastern Aircraft Division under wartime production license. Under the US Navy aircraft designation system used during World War Two,

Grumman built Avengers were designated TBF and GM built aircraft, such as these were designed, designed a designated TBM. Each was fully fueled and during pre-flight checks, it was discovered they were all missing clocks. Navigation of the route was intended to teach dead reckoning principles, which involved calculating, among other things, elapsed time. So they were just they were being put to the test. The apparent lack of timekeeping equipment was not a cause for concern,

as it was assumed each man had his own watch. Takeoff was scheduled for 1,345 hours local time, but the late arrival of Taylor delayed departure until 1410. Weather at NASS Fort Lauderdale was described as, quote, favorable sea state, modern moderate to rough. Taylor was supervising the mission and a trainee pilot had the role of leader out front. Called the Navy Air Station called Navy Air Station, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, navigation, problem number one, the exercise,

which is such a fucking boring name for a guy, like, can you be like operation bomb training would be more fun than that? The exercise involved three different legs, but the actual flight should have flown for after takeoff. They flew on a heading of nine zero nine one degrees, which is almost due east for fifty six nautical miles, which is sixty four miles until reaching Hen and chicken shills, where low level bombing practice was carried out.

The flight was to continue on that heading for another sixty seven nautical miles, seventy seven miles before turning onto a course of three hundred and forty six degrees or seven for eighty four miles in the process over flying Grand Bahama Island. The next scheduled turn was to a heading of two hundred and forty degrees to fly a hundred of two hundred and forty miles at the end of which the exercise was completed and the Avengers would turn left to then return to NAS Fort Lauderdale. Radio conversations between the pilots were overheard by base and other

aircraft in the area. The practice bombing operation is known to have been carried out because at about fifteen hundred, a pilot requested and was given permission to drop his last bomb. Forty minutes later, another flight instructor, Lieutenant Robert F. Cox in FT seventy four, who is forming up with his group of students for the same mission, received an unidentified transmission. An unidentified crew member asked Powers, one of the students for his compass reading. Powers replied, quote, I don't know where we are.

We must have got lost after that last turn. Cox transmitted, this is FT seventy four plane or boat calling Powers, please identify yourself so someone can come help you. The response after a few moments was a request from the others in the flight for suggestions. FT seventy four tried again and a man identified as FT twenty eight. It would be Taylor came on FT twenty eight. This is FT seventy four. What is your trouble?

Both my compasses are out. Taylor replied, and I'm trying to find Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I'm overland, but it's broken. I am sure I'm in the keys, but I don't know how far down and I don't know how to get to Fort Lauderdale. FT seventy four informed the NAS that aircraft were lost, then advised Taylor to put the sun on his port wing and fly north up the coast to Fort Lauderdale. These operations then asked of the flight leaders.

Aircraft was equipped with a standard YG, which is an identified friend or foe transmitter, which could be used to triangulate the flight's position. But the message, the message was not acknowledged by FT twenty eight. Later, he would indicate that his transmitter, his transmitter was activated. Instead, at sixteen forty five FT twenty eight radioed, quote, we are heading zero three zero degrees for forty five minutes. Then we'll fly north to make sure we are not over the Gulf of Mexico. This time during this time, no bearings could be made on the flight

and IFF could not be picked up. Taylor was told was told to broadcast on four thousand eight hundred and five kilohertz. This order was not acknowledged. So he was asked to switch to three thousand kilohertz, the search and rescue frequency. Taylor replied, I cannot switch frequencies. I must keep my plane intact at sixteen fifty six. Taylor was again asked to turn on his transmitter for YG if he had one. He did not acknowledge, but a few minutes later, advised his flight, quote,

change course to zero nine zero degrees due east for ten minutes. About the same time someone in the flight said, quote, damn it. If we could just fly west, we would get home head west. Damn it. This is like a difference of opinion. This is crazy. It is really wild. I'm not going to say, look, this is my favorite story from your triangle. And more importantly, the one you should have led with just putting it out there. Oh, this is a legit mystery.

This is really good. End on a strong. Fine. I find it is very infamous. Yeah, it's very good. Yeah. Wait till part two of this episode. We'll see you next time, everybody. And then this difference of opinion later led to questions about why the students did not simply head west on their own.

It has been explained that this can be attributed to military discipline. As the as the weather deteriorated, radio contact became intermittent. And it was believed that the five aircraft by this point were more than two hundred and thirty miles out to sea east of the Florida Peninsula. Taylor radioed, quote, will fly two hundred seventy degrees west until landfall or running out of gas and requested a weather check at seventeen twenty four. By seventeen fifty, several land based radio stations had triangulated flight. Nineteen's position has been within a hundred and twenty miles,

a radius of twenty nine degrees north, seventy nine degrees west. Flight Nineteen was north of the Bahamas and well off the coast of central Florida. But nobody transmitted this information on an open, repetitive basis. In eighteen at eighteen oh four, Taylor radioed to his flight, quote, holding two seventy. We didn't fly far enough east. We may as well just turn around and fly east again. By that time, the weather had deteriorated even more and the sun had set around eighteen twenty. Taylor's last message was received.

It's also been reported that Taylor's last message was received at nineteen oh four, not eighteen twenty, so there's a discrepancy in time. He was heard saying, quote, all planes close up tight will have to ditch unless landfall when the first plane drops below ten gallons, we all go down together. And that was the last transmission that they got. Jesus Christ. That's so good. It's yeah, it's wild. As it became obvious, the flight was lost.

Air bases, aircraft and merchant ships were alerted. A consolidated PBY Catalina departed after eighteen hundred to search for Flight Nineteen and guide them back if they could be located after dark. Two Martin PBM Mariner flying boats originally scheduled for their own training flights were diverted to perform square pattern searches in the west in the area west of twenty nine north, seventy nine west US Navy Squadron Training forty nine PBM five took off at nineteen twenty seven from the Naval Air Station Banana River, called in a routine radio message

at nineteen thirty and then was never heard from again. At twenty one fifteen, the tanker SS Gaines Mills reported it had observed flames from an apparent explosion leaping a hundred feet high and burning for ten minutes at position twenty eight point five nine north eighty point two five west so really close to the last messages the last location received by Taylor captain Shona Stanley reported unsuccessfully searching for survivors through a pool of oil and aviation gasoline. The escort carrier USS Solomon's also reported losing radar contact

with an aircraft at the same position and time. So there is a little evidence as to where they were and where they kind of went down. Yeah. But a five hundred page Navy Board of Investigation Report published a few months later, made several observations. One flight leader, Lieutenant Charles C. Taylor, had mistakenly believed that the small islands he passed over were the Florida Keys, that his flight was over the Gulf of Mexico and that heading northeast would take them to Florida. It was determined that Taylor had passed over the Bahamas as scheduled

and he did, in fact, lead his flight to the northeast over the Atlantic. The report noted that some subordinate officers did likely know their approximate position as indicated by radio transmissions, stating that flying west were a result in reaching the mainland. Two, Taylor was not at fault because the compass has stopped working. And three, the loss of PBM five Buneau was attributed to an explosion. This report was subsequently amended to cause unknown as stated earlier by the Navy, after Taylor's Taylor's mother contended that the Navy was

unfairly blaming her son for the loss of five aircraft and 14 men when the Navy had neither the bodies nor the airplanes as evidence. And thus is the first crack of conspiracy. The mother herself didn't want to believe what likely happened happened. But has slightly not. Yeah. Yeah. There is so much good stuff here. And like what the mystery is of this thing that it's still this is one of those ones that captures the imagination because it's like they sent people.

They like the government was looking for these dudes. It was like in all hands, people were trying to find them. But, you know, again, if you think about it, they were probably looking in the wrong place, and that's why no one found them. But like it's a fascinating story because they were talking to them. And then they were gone. Yeah. And that's, you know, it captures the imagination. And the people who were sent to go find them also disappeared.

That's that's that's onto us. It's just like the people immediately were never seen from again. All you need to do is when you go flying, if you ever flown over the ocean or any body of water body of water at night, if you look out the window, you tell me what up and down it can get real psychedelic out there for real. Tell me where the like water is and where the sky like it's all black. Yeah, go check on Microsoft Flight Simulator.

It's on Game Pass now. You have no excuse. It's the scariest flights for me were international always being over the ocean in at night, like you said, too. It's so fucking scary. It's so scary. The people who believe that's like, oh, well, you know, they just look at the map going back to what we said like an hour ago.

It's like, yeah, it doesn't look all that big. It's like, dude, you've never been over the ocean before. And it is it is the void at nighttime, especially it is the void. Yeah, I remember having thoughts of being like when I was flying for the first time internationally, being like, how are we still over the ocean? That doesn't make sense to me. Like how are we still over the ocean? Now imagine the Pacific.

Yeah, it's even bigger, even bigger. It's huge. Hadn't. OK, back to the flight. Nineteen had flight. Nineteen actually been where Taylor believed it to be. The flight would have made landfall with the Florida coastline within 20 minutes, depending on how far down they were. However, a later reconstruction of the incident showed that the islands

visible to Taylor were probably the Bahamas, well northeast of the Keys. And that flight 19 was exactly where it should have been. The Board of Investigation found that because of of his belief that he was on a base course toward Florida, Taylor actually guided the flight farther northeast and out to sea. Further, it was general knowledge at NES Fort Lauderdale that if a pilot ever became lost in the area to fly a heading of two 70 to 270 degrees due west, that by the time the flight actually turned west,

they were likely so far out to sea they had already passed their aircraft's fuel endurance. So if he's already staying, he has to turn that much. There it was just it's over. They have not. They won't have enough fuel to get there. Yeah, and it didn't. It didn't help that the compasses were also rendered useless due to the due to the geolocation of where they were. Yeah, this factor combined with bad weather and the ditching

characteristics of the of the Avenger meant that there was little hope of rescue, even if they had managed to stay afloat. It is possible that Taylor overshot Gorda Kay and instead reached another landmass in the southern Abaco Islands. He then proceeded northwest as planned. He fully expected to find the Grand Bahama Island lying in front of him as expected. Instead, he eventually saw a landmass to his right side, the northern part of Abaco Island, believing that this landmass to his right was the Grand Bahama Island,

and his compass was malfunctioning. He set a course to what he thought was southwest that had straight back to Fort Lauderdale. However, in reality, this changed his course farther northwest for an open ocean. To further add to this, to his confusion, he encountered a series of islands north of Abaco Island, which look very similar to the Key West Islands. The control tower then suggested that Taylor's team should fly west, which would have taken them to the landmass of Florida eventually. Taylor headed for what he thought was west, but in reality was northwest,

also parallel to Florida. After trying that for a while and with no land in sight, Taylor decided that it was impossible for him to fly so far west and not reach Florida. He believed that he might have been near the Key West Islands. What followed was a series of serious conversations between Taylor, his other aircrew and the control tower. Taylor was not sure whether he was near Bahama or Key West, and he was not sure which direction he faced due to compass malfunction.

The control tower informed Taylor that he could not be in Key West since the wind that day did not blow that way. Some of the aircrew believed that their compass was working. Taylor then set a course northeast, according to their compass, which should have, which should take them to Florida if they were in Key West. When that failed, Taylor set a course west, according to their compass, which should have taken them to Florida if they were in Bahama. If Taylor stayed this course, he would have reached land before running out of fuel.

However, at some point, Taylor decided that he had tried enough, tried going west enough. He then once again set a course northeast, thinking they were near Key West after all. Finally, his flight would run out of fuel and may have crashed into the ocean somewhere north of Abaco Island in the east of Florida. But we don't know. This is all conjecture, piecing together what little information they have and where locations were pinged and assuming this is kind of like the path it took. There was there was wreckage found in 1986 that was mistaken for Flight 19.

But it was not Flight 19 they discovered later on. And Flight 19 would further kind of push its myth when it was included in the 1977 science fiction film Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Yeah, they're the guys they brought back. Yep. Yeah, discovered from the edge. You've seen it. You know, I have seen that movie. But that, you know, more or less is the Flight 19 disappearance over again, the Bermuda Triangle, while definitely more mysterious than the others.

There still feels like there's enough evidence to kind of piece together a likely ideological scenario that happened to them and it's tragic. And just but it was just their compasses weren't working. They were ball torn on where they thought they were. And when things got bad, they were it was already too late. And if they were where everybody thought they were, what's worse is to think like even if they started going back, they were dead. Well, the reason why this one also is so popular is because there's so many

there's so many other more complicated moving parts in the story, because not only it's not just one person, it's a it's a whole squadron of planes. On top of that, the people who were sent to go search for them also disappeared. Then you also have the mysterious explosion that still no one has any explanation for whatsoever, whether it's spontaneously combusted or there was an attack or, you know, something something happened to to that ship. And then all of that sort of just it feeds into each other

and it just makes and mutates. And next thing you know, you get this huge giant movie that you're able to make out of it. And people people are off to the races with it. You're 1000 percent correct. Now we get to the fun part. Let's talk a little bit about what is likely going on in the Bermuda Triangle after some research and thanks to Larry Kush and his book as well.

And all the work he ended up doing to really kind of try to figure out what the fuck the Bermuda Triangle is about. So we're just going to talk about a few of the points and we'll wrap up the episode. So the big first one is that when he was out there looking and studying about not only the ships and missing deer disappearances of the Bermuda Triangle, he widened his scope. He looked at other parts of the ocean to really see if Bermuda Triangle was had a higher pattern of things going missing than other parts of the world

where things typically travel quite a lot. And what he discovered was that the ships and aircraft reported missing in the area was not significantly greater proportionally speaking than in any other part of the ocean. Interesting. Yeah. In an area frequented by tropical cyclones, the number of disappearances that did occur were, for the most part, neither disproportionate, unlikely, nor mysterious.

Not a great start. It just not a good start. Yeah, it should be typical and kind of, I guess, hits the the typical amount of disappearances that any ships going through an area where tropical cyclones are happening constantly, that would happen. Furthermore, Burlitz and other writers would often fail to mention such storms or even represent the disappearance as having happened in calm conditions when meteorological meteorological records

clearly contradict the stories. So again, people see an avenue, they'll leave out little details, maybe tweak little details, and suddenly things don't make sense anymore. And that's what he found people were doing, because he did the footwork. He cracked into the into like what was actually going on that day. And what he also found was that the numbers themselves had been exaggerated by really sloppy research. For instance, a boat's disappearance would be reported,

but it's eventual if belated return to port may not have been reported. So the ships are disappearing because paperwork isn't being done properly. And that immediately gets fed into the Bermuda. I mean, it disappeared for a little bit. But yeah, yeah, agreed. Yeah, it's like he just went and asked and basically, no, they showed up. They were here. We know they were here. It's nuts. Moreover, some disappearances had, in fact, never actually happened.

One plane crash was said to have taken place in 1937 off Daytona Beach, Florida in front of hundreds of witnesses. And when he went to go check the local papers, nothing had been revealed. There had been no articles about any any crazy crash that hundreds of people supposedly saw. He he concluded generally that the legend of the Bermuda Triangle is basically a manufactured mystery perpetrated by writers who either purposely or unknowingly made use of misconceptions, faulty reasoning and sensationalism.

And that's, I think, where I mostly fall when it comes to the Bermuda Triangle, especially like reading up on it a lot. I will say my one mysterious note is that if aliens were to abduct people, wouldn't it be the smart place to abduct people that are already going missing on a regular basis? And it would just be none the wiser. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just going to put that out. I mean, underwater is the best place to hide somebody.

So, you know, yeah, maybe you've seen the deep or the abyss. Say there you go. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I mean, there's other things, too. Like the Gulf Stream, just straight up human error, methane hydrate. Like there's a ton of reasons that ships can go missing. But I think the big thing for me when I was reading the book is that just the fact that there really isn't a greater number of ships that go missing.

It's just PR, man. The word Bermuda sounds cool. All the fact that it's a triangle makes it sound like it's a James Bond movie. That's all it is. It's from the 60s. The same. I need you. I need you to know, Alex, I want to jump off of that statement because tonight, as we were talking, I typed in to Google Bermuda Triangle. The first thing that popped up for me was Cypress Grove Bermuda Triangle pasteurized goat milk cheese. That's the first thing that popped up. Delicious.

And what's crazier is that it's you can get it, Alex, at a restaurant that's like in the general area of where we're at, which is freaking hilarious. Delicious. And it literally is just it's just cheese shaped like a triangle. It's it's like marketing stuff. It's just like it's cheese. That cheese is shaped like a triangle almost. But here's the best part. I mean, I was like, oh, this cheese must be from Bermuda.

No, it's made in California. Of course. Of course, happy goats. Those those Dan Californians, man. They're happy. Got a little bit of a triangle. You've got to admit, though. And I don't I'm pretty sure that Jesse and Mathis

haven't seen it, Alex, but I think that you'd be most impressed with it. We do have one of the best looking flags. That's true. That's actually. The Bermudian flag is actually is actually fire. Yeah, it's it's got a lot going. It looks like, you know, like a like a sick like polo jersey, like a like a cool old school way to describe that school athletics. Like it looks like like a killer rugby team or something would have that.

Yeah, I love our flag. That it's one of my favorite, favorite flags ever. It's so good. It's a vibe. It is. It's good. Well, that's it, boys, for our Bermuda Triangle episode. Thank you so much, St. Victor, for joining us. And thanks for coming out. Very, very cool.

First hand knowledge of like living there. And what if there was it was interesting to find out that the people who live there don't really know about what the Bermuda Triangle myth even is. It is interesting. It is interesting to note that the coat of arms of Bermuda does seem to be a ship disappearing into the fog. Oh, the mystery continues.

That is part of it. Yeah. Yeah. Can I just say, I don't want to like put this out there, but I'm going to. Do you think Bermuda is in on it? Are they working with the aliens? And that's why they're like, oh, Bermuda Triangle. We don't know what that is. Is it's Invicta PR? It's in the inside.

No. Is he a hybrid? Are we dealing with our great human child? No, no, surely not. You both you both have seen me. You all three of you have actually seen me in real life. I've seen what you've presented as your physical. And what's weird is you only showed

of my life like 10 or so years ago. So what were you doing before that? He's not even on camera right now. Whoa, you guys can't see me. I've got my camera on. You guys can't see. No, we can't see you at all. I thought I was on the entire time. Oh, my battery must have gone out, I guess.

Oh, man, sorry. Well, you've you've you've seen. You all have seen both sets of my eyelids. So I mean, you can find out all of this and more at my new website, QAnon, but not QAnon. It's johndalancy.com. No, thanks for thanks for having me. I really, I really appreciate it.

And very fun stuff. If everyone, if the listeners, if you all want to do a follow up and having back, I'd love to love to come back and keep on keep on vibing, man. Hell, yes. Yeah, man. We'd love to find another mystery set set in Bermuda. There's a lot of Alex do like it. We'll bring you on for an Alex Internet mystery

and you can go crazy trying to figure out what the fuck the point of the story is and then be left on red and never find out. You'll find there. There's there's there's plenty of them. I mean, you know, you've got even the original name of Bermuda was the Devil's Islands. So, well, yeah, I mean, you're just showing evidence

why it is haunted. You know what I mean? There it is. It's dangerous and aliens are there. Oh, it's literally heaven on earth. That is the most beautiful place that you ever go. It looks like it does look like a beautiful town. I can't believe it.

It is. It is gorgeous. And I wish I could one day I'll be able to go back home and visit again. Yeah, one day when everything gets kind of back to normal. We're off to do a mini-soad with good old Saint Victor. So if you want more Saint Victor, it'll be with us in the mini-soad over at patreon.com slash Luminati pod at the $15 tier

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If you want VIP tickets, it's only a few of those left. So go grab those because I have a feeling we're going to sell out well before the show. Even I will go grab a beer near you. Confirmed. Yes, it'll happen. I will sensually call you all chaluminots. I will shake my head disapprovingly. Mathis, Mathis gets up and moves around more

than you would expect during the live show. Is that a bad thing? Like, is it just more than you would expect? That's all I'm saying. I go just sit in the audience during the live show. Could I just like go take my microphone and just see the audience? We got to find another like these weirdos. Sit with you to like do like a like a.

I'll see what you see. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. Like, oh, oh, oh, yeah. What do you think of this shifty guy? Look at this guy over here over here. The only aliens are the ones up on the stage. Holmes and Watson. The end of the Jetson Watson.

I'm aiming to end the show. I hate it. First of all, I can't believe you brought that joke back. Rule three. Got me. It got me. I if I can end the show like we ended our LA live show, where like we ended it on me saying something so insane, Jesse literally walked off the stage and couldn't even take me seriously, which made me accomplish. You know, you walked away from me. I thought I made a very good point and you, on the other hand, walked away.

So if you want to see that kind of shit, it's a good time. We'll have a really good time. And if you get VIP passes, you get a 30 minute pre-show. You get a bunch of free swag that you're going to be given. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're off to go do the minisodes. Thank you all so much for watching. We appreciate you.

Good bye. Say bye. Bye. Anyway, me and my wife were sitting outside indulging on our porch one night, enjoying ourselves. I needed to go to the bathroom, so I stepped back inside. And after a few moments, I hear my wife go, holy shit, get out here. So I quickly dash back outside.

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We call it the just talking form. What about actually applying for a loan? Oh my, let me pop in a new toner cartridge. Hey Bill, don't want to pass me the big stapler? Yeah, I'm gonna try a community bank.